Australia v England, 4th ODI, Perth January 24, 2014

Stokes inspires England to much-needed win

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England 8 for 316 (Buttler 71, Stokes 70, Bell 55, Faulkner 4-67) beat Australia 259 (Finch 108, Stokes 4-38) by 57 runs
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

It has happened. It's not an apparition. England have beaten Australia. After 91 days on a gut-wrenching tour that has brought defeat and despair, they can at least remind themselves what winning a cricket match feels like after securing a 57-run victory at the WACA.

Two players with huge roles to play in the future were central to the success. Ben Stokes hit his maiden ODI fifty, a steady 70 in his new role at No. 3, then followed it with four wickets, and Jos Buttler had given England the breathing space they needed with another brilliant late-order display. Buttler hit 71 off 43 balls just when the innings was threatening to lose its way after the top three had laid the best foundation of the series.

Buttler struck four sixes, including one off Mitchell Johnson, whose 10 overs cost 72, as the final six overs of the innings brought 69 runs, with Eoin Morgan playing his part in a stand of 71. Buttler's scoop came out but it was his straight hitting that was most eye-catching and his status continues to rise, day by day. It was Buttler, too, who held the final catch to bring a rare smile to the fact of Alastair Cook and his team.

After the series was decided in Sydney, Cook said he would consider his future as one-day captain when the tour was finished but at the toss today he admitted it had been the emotion speaking and, having reflected on things for a few days in Perth, he was now "desperate" to continue in his current capacity. A win here, albeit against an Australia side without four senior players, will have lifted his spirits further.

Although there was a superbly composed hundred by Aaron Finch, his second of the series, to anchor Australia's chase there were no pyrotechnics from James Faulkner to steal the game away. This time Faulkner fell for 2, getting a thin edge as he tried to cut Stokes, much to the relief of those playing in red. The moment got the better of Stokes, who gave Faulkner a send-off, and the umpires felt they needed to step in.

Stokes also removed George Bailey, Australia's stand-in captain, through smart use of the DRS after he had spotted a thin edge on a leg-side glance, dispatched the power Glenn Maxwell who played a an ugly swipe to leg and bowled Johnson. The over in which he claimed Maxwell, the 40th of the innings, became a maiden and it was a show of his character after being one of Faulkner's victims at the Gabba although his copybook was blotted a little when he shelled Nathan Coulter-Nile for what would have been the winning moment.

Australia had raced out of the blocks in their chase as Chris Jordan struggled with his run up and Stuart Broad continued to search for rhythm. Both bowlers improved during the innings. Tim Bresnan provided the first breakthrough when Shaun Marsh carelessly guided to second slip and England's cause was helped by a stuttering comeback innings from Matthew Wade who never found his timing before finding mid-off.

At the other end, however, Finch was playing an outstanding hand and constantly scored above a run-a-ball. His first boundary was an airy drive over cover, but there was due respect shown to good deliveries then the decisiveness to pick off boundaries when they were needed. He forced Cook to change tack when he deposited James Tredwell for consecutive sixes and also drove Bresnan back over his head.

His hundred came from 97 balls but the game started to edge England's way when he guided Bresnan to third man where Broad held a good running catch.

The way England's batting order is constructed provokes much debate; this was almost the ideal formula for how they see it working. The opening stand of 87 in 12 overs was more than has been delivered of late; in the early stages, Australia's quick bowlers varied between too full and too short, which is often a failure of visiting attacks.

Stokes' innings, his maiden ODI fifty was an excellent response after he'd struggled in his first innings at No. 3 in Sydney. This time he was quickly into double figures and the brisk start he arrived on the back of allowed him time to settle. He had some tricky moments against Johnson, and on 29 edged a very tough chance to Marsh at slip, but also unfurled some eye-catching drives which were a feature of his Test century on this ground last month before top-edging a sweep off Faulkner.

Cook and Ian Bell, with 47-ball fifty, had led the positive start, hitting 12 boundaries in the first 10 overs, and Australia were as ragged as at any time in the season. Bell was given lives on 48 and 52 although neither miss was costly, as Bell flicked a poor delivery from Daniel Christian straight to short fine-leg.

There had more than a hint of anger and frustration in the England captain's batting, especially when he plundered three consecutive boundaries in Coulter-Nile's first over, but for the third time in a row he fell to Maxwell. He left with an angry swish of the bat but, by the end of the day, being England cricket captain will have felt just a little bit better.

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY ScottStevo on | January 26, 2014, 17:54 GMT

    @Harmony11, well, as usual, you're looking rather foolish after we just defended 217! How did India go again? Good luck trying to impress us that you're anything other than home town heroes, sport. 0-10 away for India - so you're beating us there too, bud. Seriously, you have no meaningful contribution here other than running arguments off on bizarre tangents that are completely irrelevant, and yet still make India look worse than Aus. You discuss Aus posters commenting on Ind threads, yet, here you are? Great point! Funny there are so many posts when you lose, hey? Ever think and wonder why? You then discuss physical injuries and compare them to mental illness. Seriously?! No, I don't agree that - we;ve clearly rested the four players I mentioned who are first choice players? So, we rested our captain for this match, so you agree that he's missing from our team? What a thoughtless argument you make. Wade may have been selected, but it's rather clear he's not good enough and shouldn't

  • POSTED BY Shaggy076 on | January 26, 2014, 12:14 GMT

    Harmony111. Aussie wickets bounce and are good for batting. They are only good for paceman against rubbish batsman that can't play a ball that gets above knee height. One-day wickets are particularly flat with rubbish white balls that you can't shine. Australia just had 3 months of bad cricket and haven't been rubbish for a long time but even during that period we won one-day international's. Why are you so aggressivr to anyone that questions your completely non factual 100.% biased posts?

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 26, 2014, 7:37 GMT

    @Ragavendran Vijayshankar:

    Is that so? Do you know how many comments the 2nd Ind-NZ ODI article got? 1000+ and still counting. 3rd match had 400+ comments in less than 10 hours. In comparison, this article is about a match that was played 3 days back back and it doesn't even have 200 comments.

    So you tell me, who goes where to comment? Check any article related to India and keep an eye on Pak, SL, SA, Eng, Aus fans who routinely comment there. If you had any idea about the reality you won't have said what you have said.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 25, 2014, 19:59 GMT

    @CodandChips - Re Buttler , When he played for Somerset we had plenty of power at the top of the order (Tres/Kies/Trego) and then we'd have guys like Hildreth or Compton and then Buttler would come in at 6 (never any lower than 6). But the difference is that he would often come in at 4 or 5 for Somerset if they were only 2 or 3 daown with 20-25 overs to go. I just think the way the game is set up the team is over reliant on Jos to produce heroics every time. The good thing is that he's learning to pace his inns better than he did when he 1st came into the side (even when he doesn't have that long at the crease) but when it doesn't come off we get a way below par total - like in the 3rd ODI

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 25, 2014, 19:59 GMT

    @Marcio on (January 25, 2014, 2:00 GMT) So when Australia win it's because they're dominant but when they lose it's because they're not taking the game seriously? Both teams have rested players in this series and I'm pretty sure Australia would wanted to have won the ODI series by whitewash too and had confidence that they still had the quality to win.Look at your bowling stats and it wasn't the fringe players who went for big runs but Mitch and Faulkner

    @ScottStevo - Ok you didn't say it was an A team or B team or whatever but you responded in animated fashion to a guy who basically was just saying why can't fans just give credit , lambast their own side , both or just not bother? You also go on to say Wade isn't even a D team player. Sorry but isn't it who the selectors rate that counts on this one? And the selectors rate Wade as better than E team material.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 25, 2014, 19:49 GMT

    @Marcio on (January 25, 2014, 2:00 GMT) So when Australia win it's because they're dominant but when they lose it's because they're not taking the game seriously? Both teams have rested players in this series and I'm pretty sure Australia would wanted to have won the ODI series by whitewash too and had confidence that they still had the quality to win.Look at your bowling stats and it wasn't the fringe players who went for big runs but Mitch and Faulkner

    @ScottStevo - Ok you didn't say it was an A team or B team or whatever but you responded in animated fashion to a guy who basically was just saying why can't fans just give credit , lambast their own side , both or just not bother? You also go on to say Wade isn't even a D team player. Sorry but isn't it who the selectors rate that counts on this one? And the selectors rate Wade as better than E team material.

  • POSTED BY CodandChips on | January 25, 2014, 15:08 GMT

    @JG2704 I also agree that the middle order has been a bit of a problem. Personally I'd like James Taylor to get a go. List A and First Class averages of around 50. Can dominate (eg that hundred vs Hampshire the day KP retired from international circket).

  • POSTED BY CodandChips on | January 25, 2014, 15:06 GMT

    @JG2704 agree that Ballance has been too cautious. Perhaps he should get a go lower down just to relieve any pressure? I reckon he could do a job at 5 next series in West Indies because he can be destructive. Where does he bat in all forms for Yorkshire- has he batted 5, or does he always bat 3?

    Also perhaps Buttler should go 5 or 6. I reckon he would do better if given a bit of time to play himself in, but at the same time he'd need to be careful. He is easily the best finisher in the country (list A average 50 at strike rate of nearly 130 I think). Are there any other decent finishers in county cricket? Are they all Kolpaks/overseas, such as Crook, Hussey?

  • POSTED BY souwesterly on | January 25, 2014, 14:58 GMT

    Despite all the talk of this being a win against an Australian 2nd XI the most pleasing thing, in my opinion was that it came about without England's so-called 'best batsmen and best bowlers' - Trott, Pietersen, Prior, Anderson and Swann. I do accept that a few of the winning team didn't come up to scratch, so there are still a few places for more new blood - but I'd only want to see those 'stars' I've mentioned come back into the team on their merit - not on their history.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 25, 2014, 13:13 GMT

    @ModernUmpiresPlz:

    Why are you being so touchy? When did I say Harris was a softie? Saying someone is OOA after a series isn't the same as saying he is a softie.

    I have seen that often ppl here begin to deliberate twisting of what I say cos they are incapable of arguing with me otherwise. You too have tried the same.

    Later on you admit that your bowlers are useless if they do not get help from the wicket. This means they too are Green Top Bullies else they can't do much. Isn't cricket about being able to play on diff wickets? Any wicket should be fins as long as it is not dangerous but still you are complaining about Indian wickets.

    Aren't Aussie wickets helpful for fast bowling? Then pls explain the two 300+ conceded by Aus fast bowlers this time. Or do you now mean that the Aus fast bowlers needs absolutely fav conditions with tonnes of grass, dark clouds all day and plenty of bounce to do well? How many times will you jump here & there?

  • POSTED BY ScottStevo on | January 26, 2014, 17:54 GMT

    @Harmony11, well, as usual, you're looking rather foolish after we just defended 217! How did India go again? Good luck trying to impress us that you're anything other than home town heroes, sport. 0-10 away for India - so you're beating us there too, bud. Seriously, you have no meaningful contribution here other than running arguments off on bizarre tangents that are completely irrelevant, and yet still make India look worse than Aus. You discuss Aus posters commenting on Ind threads, yet, here you are? Great point! Funny there are so many posts when you lose, hey? Ever think and wonder why? You then discuss physical injuries and compare them to mental illness. Seriously?! No, I don't agree that - we;ve clearly rested the four players I mentioned who are first choice players? So, we rested our captain for this match, so you agree that he's missing from our team? What a thoughtless argument you make. Wade may have been selected, but it's rather clear he's not good enough and shouldn't

  • POSTED BY Shaggy076 on | January 26, 2014, 12:14 GMT

    Harmony111. Aussie wickets bounce and are good for batting. They are only good for paceman against rubbish batsman that can't play a ball that gets above knee height. One-day wickets are particularly flat with rubbish white balls that you can't shine. Australia just had 3 months of bad cricket and haven't been rubbish for a long time but even during that period we won one-day international's. Why are you so aggressivr to anyone that questions your completely non factual 100.% biased posts?

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 26, 2014, 7:37 GMT

    @Ragavendran Vijayshankar:

    Is that so? Do you know how many comments the 2nd Ind-NZ ODI article got? 1000+ and still counting. 3rd match had 400+ comments in less than 10 hours. In comparison, this article is about a match that was played 3 days back back and it doesn't even have 200 comments.

    So you tell me, who goes where to comment? Check any article related to India and keep an eye on Pak, SL, SA, Eng, Aus fans who routinely comment there. If you had any idea about the reality you won't have said what you have said.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 25, 2014, 19:59 GMT

    @CodandChips - Re Buttler , When he played for Somerset we had plenty of power at the top of the order (Tres/Kies/Trego) and then we'd have guys like Hildreth or Compton and then Buttler would come in at 6 (never any lower than 6). But the difference is that he would often come in at 4 or 5 for Somerset if they were only 2 or 3 daown with 20-25 overs to go. I just think the way the game is set up the team is over reliant on Jos to produce heroics every time. The good thing is that he's learning to pace his inns better than he did when he 1st came into the side (even when he doesn't have that long at the crease) but when it doesn't come off we get a way below par total - like in the 3rd ODI

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 25, 2014, 19:59 GMT

    @Marcio on (January 25, 2014, 2:00 GMT) So when Australia win it's because they're dominant but when they lose it's because they're not taking the game seriously? Both teams have rested players in this series and I'm pretty sure Australia would wanted to have won the ODI series by whitewash too and had confidence that they still had the quality to win.Look at your bowling stats and it wasn't the fringe players who went for big runs but Mitch and Faulkner

    @ScottStevo - Ok you didn't say it was an A team or B team or whatever but you responded in animated fashion to a guy who basically was just saying why can't fans just give credit , lambast their own side , both or just not bother? You also go on to say Wade isn't even a D team player. Sorry but isn't it who the selectors rate that counts on this one? And the selectors rate Wade as better than E team material.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 25, 2014, 19:49 GMT

    @Marcio on (January 25, 2014, 2:00 GMT) So when Australia win it's because they're dominant but when they lose it's because they're not taking the game seriously? Both teams have rested players in this series and I'm pretty sure Australia would wanted to have won the ODI series by whitewash too and had confidence that they still had the quality to win.Look at your bowling stats and it wasn't the fringe players who went for big runs but Mitch and Faulkner

    @ScottStevo - Ok you didn't say it was an A team or B team or whatever but you responded in animated fashion to a guy who basically was just saying why can't fans just give credit , lambast their own side , both or just not bother? You also go on to say Wade isn't even a D team player. Sorry but isn't it who the selectors rate that counts on this one? And the selectors rate Wade as better than E team material.

  • POSTED BY CodandChips on | January 25, 2014, 15:08 GMT

    @JG2704 I also agree that the middle order has been a bit of a problem. Personally I'd like James Taylor to get a go. List A and First Class averages of around 50. Can dominate (eg that hundred vs Hampshire the day KP retired from international circket).

  • POSTED BY CodandChips on | January 25, 2014, 15:06 GMT

    @JG2704 agree that Ballance has been too cautious. Perhaps he should get a go lower down just to relieve any pressure? I reckon he could do a job at 5 next series in West Indies because he can be destructive. Where does he bat in all forms for Yorkshire- has he batted 5, or does he always bat 3?

    Also perhaps Buttler should go 5 or 6. I reckon he would do better if given a bit of time to play himself in, but at the same time he'd need to be careful. He is easily the best finisher in the country (list A average 50 at strike rate of nearly 130 I think). Are there any other decent finishers in county cricket? Are they all Kolpaks/overseas, such as Crook, Hussey?

  • POSTED BY souwesterly on | January 25, 2014, 14:58 GMT

    Despite all the talk of this being a win against an Australian 2nd XI the most pleasing thing, in my opinion was that it came about without England's so-called 'best batsmen and best bowlers' - Trott, Pietersen, Prior, Anderson and Swann. I do accept that a few of the winning team didn't come up to scratch, so there are still a few places for more new blood - but I'd only want to see those 'stars' I've mentioned come back into the team on their merit - not on their history.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 25, 2014, 13:13 GMT

    @ModernUmpiresPlz:

    Why are you being so touchy? When did I say Harris was a softie? Saying someone is OOA after a series isn't the same as saying he is a softie.

    I have seen that often ppl here begin to deliberate twisting of what I say cos they are incapable of arguing with me otherwise. You too have tried the same.

    Later on you admit that your bowlers are useless if they do not get help from the wicket. This means they too are Green Top Bullies else they can't do much. Isn't cricket about being able to play on diff wickets? Any wicket should be fins as long as it is not dangerous but still you are complaining about Indian wickets.

    Aren't Aussie wickets helpful for fast bowling? Then pls explain the two 300+ conceded by Aus fast bowlers this time. Or do you now mean that the Aus fast bowlers needs absolutely fav conditions with tonnes of grass, dark clouds all day and plenty of bounce to do well? How many times will you jump here & there?

  • POSTED BY ModernUmpiresPlz on | January 25, 2014, 11:52 GMT

    @Harmony Just to chime in a little bit, Harris didn't have one series and then got a bad knee because of it. He already had that bad knee, he doesn't have any cartilage in it and he hasn't for some time. The recent 10 tests have nothing to do with that, it's been like that for a while now, he's just pushed through that pain barrier. No need to call out a guy for being soft and worn down because of recent test matches when the entirety of that time he's been the exact opposite, bowling extraordinarily well despite his constant physical issue, a superhuiman effort some might say. Far worse of an issue than Broad's foot was at any point.

    Also, we all know being a good fast bowling often means absolutely nothing on the pitches offered in India. Losing 0-4 there doesn't mean our fast bowling is poor, it means our spin attack is poor. Given that Lyon bowled well there but was dropped for half the series I think it makes complete sense. I think our selectors are more to blame than the team.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 25, 2014, 11:21 GMT

    @Greatest_Game: Once again you prove that you disregard stats when it suits you and you twist stats when it suits you. Mitch was quite sensational this time. Everything else came later, it was he who demoralized Eng right to their innermost core. OTOH, Steyn was seen bowling on the body form round the wicket in poor light. He was totally toothless in the 1st test and got lucky in the 2nd. Rem how he finally managed to get Kohli of an edge off his shoulder? In the battle of best vs best, Steyn was a distant 3rd. If Mitch & Harris play, SA should be lucky to cross 50.

    @wellrounded87:

    Why blame me? It is your own buddy ScottStevo who says winning is everything.

    Fortune? Aus were fortunate not to lose 0-4.

    Umpiring? I thought DRS was supposed to take care of it. But for umpiring, Ind would have won 2-1 in 2008, remember Sydney?

    I said Aus were rubbish BEFORE this side. not after. Pls read it again.

  • POSTED BY on | January 25, 2014, 9:30 GMT

    @hmony: look at the no. of the comments posted by Indian and SA supporters on Aus vs Eng report and compare it with the no. of posts by Aus fans on Indian games. The former will vastly exceed the latter.

  • POSTED BY milepost on | January 25, 2014, 9:16 GMT

    There's no excuses, Australia fielded a side capable of winning but England were too good on the day. Good to see England have warmed up now!

  • POSTED BY swannybringyananalong on | January 25, 2014, 8:03 GMT

    England test team.. funniest thing since the Paul Hogan show.

  • POSTED BY on | January 25, 2014, 7:43 GMT

    to Harmony (hairspray): I bet you mate, that if Australia were in England this summer they would wipe the floor with England. hell, they could have, and perhaps should, have won 4 of the 5 tests last summer! no excused, but but for the rain, they would have steamrollered England at Old Trafford (3rd test) and the Oval (5th test). they were nearly 200 runs ahead after the first innings in both matches.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 25, 2014, 7:39 GMT

    @ScottStevo: I love the way you contradict yourself in your two comments. On one hand you say winning is everything but then you talk highly of the 1st Ashes where Aus lost 0-3. B your logic, 0-3 is 0-3, isn't it? Aus lost 0-4 in Ind. That makes it 0-7. If you say winning is everything then 0-7 lies on the other extreme meaning Aus indeed were a rubbish side before this Ashes. When Aus came to India, they were 0-2 & 0-2. If winning is everything then Aus were indeed rubbish.

    Trott hasn't retired YET. By your logic, Aus should never talk about Cummins. He is ultra-frail. Harris is nearly gone too. You never know how long Clarke will last with his degenerative back. Haddin is 36.

    Wade toured India, he played in the last CB Series too. Sounds like a main player to me who proved to be rubbish. You can't work it backwards saying no he isn't our A,B,C player. Same for Patto. Be logical pls.

    So you do admit this is Aus ~Main vs Eng B. Good.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 25, 2014, 7:25 GMT

    @trumpoz:

    Your buddy ScottStevo says a win is a win and a loss is a loss. So if Aus were 0-7 before this Ashes and still remain 0-7 AWAY, 0-8 In India then that proves they were a rubbish side then and still remain a rubbish side AWAY as of now. Doesn't matter if you made more 100s or took more wickets or caught more fish. You just kept losing and losing and losing.

    If I am not making the stas explicit in my comments, it doesn't mean I am not talking on facts. But never mind, you wanted facts from me, here they are....

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 25, 2014, 7:18 GMT

    @Marcio: We've heard that a lot. When Aus lose it is cos they did not take it seriously. We heard that for ICC-CT when Aus failed, we heard that for their Ind tour when they lost 0-4, we heard that for the ODI series in Ind after which they played at home and finally won against Eng, thank largely to Mitch and some to Haddin.

    If you are saying that I am trashing Aus here with some vendetta you clearly haven't read my 1st comment here. Read it.

    If you say I was itching to comment here cos I felt hurt, the amount of comments Aus fans post on India matches show that they got a really huge itch all over.

    @Ragavendran Vijayshankar: Your comment probably explains why India gets so many nasty comments from others. Btw, what exactly did you mean by 'other countries like India'? You really sound like you have the zeal of a new convert.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 25, 2014, 7:08 GMT

    @ScottStevo: Your fast bowlers can't defend 350. Your fast bowlers concede 300 even in their HOME conditions and on Fast wickets. Its a miracle when your fast bowlers last a full series. Look at Harris, one series and now he got a bad knee. Patto & Starc used to be your 1 & 2 not a long time back. Now suddenly Starc is out/injured and Patto is just a promising bowler. Mitch has had only one good series in the last many years (though I like him and respect him, only him though).

    I don't know what sort of Aussie fast bowling stocks you are talking about. If you have that many and that good fast bowlers, why are you 0-7 AWAY?

    If winning is everything then I hope you won't ever talk of flat pitches, dew, small grounds, toss etc. Promise?

  • POSTED BY on | January 25, 2014, 5:40 GMT

    @Marcio : Well said! When the supporters from other countries like India and SA come here and post about what a poor team Australia is, it shows the insecurity and nerves that they are again going to see a resurgent and dominant Australia and are scared of it.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | January 25, 2014, 5:37 GMT

    i dont knw why they have pietersen he can ball also..middle order is not stable..just eoin morgan is der they cant depend on stokes

  • POSTED BY Bonehead_maz on | January 25, 2014, 5:15 GMT

    It's nice to see Pattinson bowling again :). I know he's rusty and isn't any good at limited overs anyway....... just nice to see !

  • POSTED BY on | January 25, 2014, 4:48 GMT

    @Greatest_Game... where is SA ranked again? Can't quite see that far down the ladder from up here at the top...

  • POSTED BY yogicoolboy on | January 25, 2014, 4:46 GMT

    A great victory for england. Hope they continue the wining momentum in the next match. Would like to see woakes/ carberry in the next match.

  • POSTED BY hyclass on | January 25, 2014, 4:44 GMT

    Interesting that Test batsmen were sent to 'Futures League' cricket, because Shield ran a poor second to 20 over cricket. That's the same cricket that Bailey credits with his loss of 1st class form. Marsh hasn't bought a run in 13 years of 1st class cricket, yet at 31, is in the Test team. Finch is in real danger of being dropped from the Shield side, where he cant buy a run, yet is an ODI player. A year ago, Chappell's artificial age limits on the 2nd XI, meant players older than 23, couldn't play there. I have seen no evidence of a change in the administering and accountability of cricket by CA and its employees. What I have seen is a marked improvement in attitude in the national team under Lehmann, who is a superb 'man manager', one of the smartest heads in cricket and a the least likely to follow establishment and procedures. Outside Lehmann, there is nothing to show evolution for the benefit of Aus cricket as a whole. I watch the SA tour with some interest & wish Lehmann success

  • POSTED BY on | January 25, 2014, 3:13 GMT

    With a surname like that what do you expect, he may be a Ginga but he is a Stokes.

  • POSTED BY Iddo555 on | January 25, 2014, 2:19 GMT

    I want to see Bopara dropped next game and Woakes given a go. Bopara has done nothing again this series. Time for Woakes to show what he can do.

  • POSTED BY Marcio on | January 25, 2014, 2:00 GMT

    Harmony111, it must have felt good to trash Australia in that post. You have been waiting so long. It must have really hurt.

    It was obvious that Australia never treated this game very seriously. When you see players laughing and smiling after your opening bowler just bowled his fourth wide in his first over then it's pretty obvious.

    I am yet to see Australia win a game when they do this rotation thing and change half the team. The selectors would know that we lose every time we do this, so obviously winning wasn't a priority. Just go back and look what happened when they did it against SA and SL last season. The entire team dynamics evaporated and they played like a collection of mercenaries, not a united team. They got thrashed. Happens every time, without exception. It's got little to do with the quality of the players - it's the way the team unity is destroyed. The opposite is true when a team is clicking. Keep them together. You should never change a winning team.

  • POSTED BY trumpoz on | January 25, 2014, 0:44 GMT

    @Harmony111 - Australia were not a rubbish side, and haven't been for a number of years. The India tour was a disaster - given, but one bad tour doesn't make a team a rubbish side (particularly when Australia belted Sri Lanka and narrowly lost to South Africa in the previous summer). If you actually watched any of the Ashes in England, things started to come together for the Australian team throughout the series. Their bowling was excellent throughout that tour but the batting was too inconsistent. They still made more hundreds and higher scores than England. That to me doesn't point towards them being a rubbish side...... (I see there was a thread elsewhere where you said you posted based on facts - your whole last comment is sorely lacking any factual basis).

  • POSTED BY on | January 25, 2014, 0:23 GMT

    Firstly, credit where it is due to England, they have found two remarkable young talents in Stokes and Buttler. I hope they are fit and firing for the WC next year.

    Is OZ getting arrogant? I'm not so sure that when your stated aim is to be no.1, that you can just expect to pick any old team and expect them to win... That's not going to get you to no.1, much less keep you there. So why do we do it?

    Once again Shaun Marsh shows up with the kind of brain explosion shot that makes him so non reliable at international level. Confirming once again what a waste of time and selection space he is. Jimmy Pattinson probably shouldn't be playing ODI cricket even at his best, he is an out and out long form specialist with the lengths he bowls. So why are picking him? Simply to get some bowling into him?

    I think this whole no.1 thing must be over-rated when we are making these sorts of selections, it just goes to show, really, that the only meaningful trophy in ODI cricket is the WC.

  • POSTED BY on | January 25, 2014, 0:12 GMT

    Bell is the best No 3 for England at the moment. They should get a regular decent opener to play with Cook. Good opening pairs work in tandem, like Gilly-Hayden, Sachin-Sehwag, et al. It is a long-term partnership (to be effective). Same is the case with the opening bowlers. They also hunt in pairs; like Lille-Thompson, Truman-Statham and many such pairs exemplify hat.

    At No 3, Stokes was a stroke of luck for England, yesterday. Luck, like lightning, may NOT strike at the same place a second time. He is ideal player to be developed for playing right in the middle of the order. In the current team Morgan, Stokes & Buttler are good for the middle.

  • POSTED BY badyon on | January 25, 2014, 0:10 GMT

    If I was a WACA patron I would demand a refund. If you pay for Australia and get Australia A, then surely this is false and misleading advertising on behalf of CA?

    Also, if you are going to play Australia A, then Tim Paine needs to come into the team immediately. Wade is Australia Z material.

    Further, if you are going to pick Warne to coach off spinners, then it makes more sense to select Malinga to coach limited over pace bowling and death bowling to the Australian team.

    Well done CA, first class.

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 23:59 GMT

    First I thought, it is not fair to call the OZ team which played & lost yesterday is their 'B'Team.

    But, on second thought: With Clarke, Watson & Haddin on "leave" for rest & recuperation, and Mitch misplacing his 'mojo' along with his Italian moustache,and boys like Patty undercooked, yes I agree one can say that the OZ team was their 'B' Team..

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | January 24, 2014, 22:51 GMT

    @landl47, the bowling was not full strength. If there was a World Cup tomorrow, Starc, Harris, and Watson would be in. Credit where credit is due though, England won. The Irishman batted well, and the Kiwi allrounder is improving. Butler the Englishman looks very handy also. The selectors are testing our bench strength at the moment but I feel they are looking at the wrong guys - NCN has not shown anything and Pattinson is not an ODI bowler. Any chance a South Australian will play for the national team in any form this summer?

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 22:39 GMT

    @CodandChips - Finally re Carberry. I was hugely excited when he was put in partnership with KP vs Aus last year and it turned out to be a real anticlimax. You may be right about Wright - I just wouldn't write him off. Hales/Lumb could also overcompensate if they move into 50 over territory.

    I think we both agree that if Lumb.Hales and Wright were to come in they need to live or die by the way they naturally play and not try and play like Cook and Bell whose SRs aren't as bad as Ballance,Bopara and Stokes. I think Stokes SR would improve coming in during the latter overs. Obviously Jos may not come off up front and it could be that he struggles similarly against slower bowling but to my mind he has that fidgety nature about him that is suited to shorter formats.

  • POSTED BY Greatest_Game on | January 24, 2014, 22:39 GMT

    I have to hand it to Australia - they hold about all the ODI records, including, now, the shortest reign as #1. Well doe you beauties - you have made your mates proud!

  • POSTED BY Greatest_Game on | January 24, 2014, 22:37 GMT

    @ Harmony111. Reluctant as I am to admit it, you make a perfectly cogent and coherent rebuttal of the weak/pathetic Aussie excuses about their supposed 'B' team being beaten by England's 'B' team.

    However, you have been drinking moonshine if you think that Johnson is in the same league as Steyn. Midge is up there with Ishant though - a fine opening pair they would make ;)

  • POSTED BY ilililililililililililililx on | January 24, 2014, 22:30 GMT

    need a dece spinner Eng, not Tredwell or briggs. A good bowler

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 22:30 GMT

    @CodandChips - imo Ballance is overcautious.In his 79 SR 82 on these pitches is only just acceptable but it seems that he has to score that amount of runs before he gets to that SR - Check his SR when he was 50/30.When on 10/20 his SR was around 50. Stokes has the intent but not the skills of Morgan/Buttler against slower bowling and I reckon any team can strangle him with a slow bowler who can put the balls in the right areas and even if they don't have that plan , most teams start bowling their slower options around 15 overs. Bopara typifies the phrase "Style Over Substance" .He often looks lethargic and (this may seem mad to you) but I think Morgan's tempo seems to drop when he's in with Ballance/Bopara and hseems to up it when in with Jos I've seen Ballance at 6 for Yorks in a SF game and he was explosive .Stokes is better vs pace and he is more likely to face pace late on and I think if Ravi is dropped to 7 that might fire him up a bit if he feels he has a point to prove

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 22:22 GMT

    @CodandChips - I love our debates as they don't escalate into anything other than 2 passionate fans disagreeing and giving reasons why. I've said before about having a totally different team/captain/coach and whole set up for ODIs. I still think Flower pulls alot of the strings and Giles supervises Cook who supervises the team. I think the upper middle order has been more of a problem than Cook and Bell in this series. Bell and Cook's SRs in this series have been around 85-90 which while is not great on 300par pitches is certainly acceptable. Ballance,Bopara and Stokes have been going at around 75 each which is ok in Eng but not on these pitches IMO. I know this is totally against the grain but I wouldn't mind them trying (if using the current players AND on these sort of pitches) a top 8 of Bell,Cook,Morgan,Buttler,Ballance,Stokes.Bopara. TBC

  • POSTED BY wellrounded87 on | January 24, 2014, 22:21 GMT

    @Harmony111 To say Australia were a rubbish team shows your complete lack of cricket understanding. Australia pushed England to the brink in England and were unlucky not to win at least 2 tests due to weather. And a bit of fortune and correct umpire calls would have seen a win at Trent Bridge and a 3-2 series for Aus. I'm not saying England didn't deserve the win, they played much more consistent cricket and performed in the key parts of the match. But to say a team that played the better cricket for most of the series (just not in key moments) is a rubbish team is the kind of arrogance and complacency that resulted in the 5-0 whitewash.

    Also Mitch isn't the sole reason for the turn around. He had a good series yes. But he didn't make Harris average under 20 for the series, he didn't make Haddin average in the 60's for the series or Warner in the 50's. He didn't make every single top order batsmen get the runs they struggled to get in England. Australia improved everywhere

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | January 24, 2014, 22:17 GMT

    Please ensure not to distract the future of these good young cricketers like butler and stoked with IPL. They have a long way to go to serve ENG

  • POSTED BY Blackholesun on | January 24, 2014, 21:55 GMT

    @DylanBrah

    No point in talking about that the Australian Team didn't had regular players. Had they won today then you would have said that even the B Australian team can beat England.

    In any sport there are always lots of if's or but's and they are only time wasters.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 21:37 GMT

    funny how im now reading comments that england can win the WC. after a win against a second 11 poorly captained and poorly performed. mitch isnt a ODI player, harris isnt playing, warner not there, bailey is lame, haddin out, ..and marsh performed to his par. and theres still watson. i think maxwell is a good addition. aussies still shouldve won this after finchs 100. terrible batting. the bowling was rank avg and the captaincy was odd to say the least. keep christian also.

  • POSTED BY ScottStevo on | January 24, 2014, 21:31 GMT

    @Harmony11, (cont'd) Patto isn't a first choice ODI bowler and never was. Siddle is also first choice for our Ashes, but I don't see him in our ODI squad either.Funny isn't it???????? Pattinson is in this squad purely so we can get him some game time after his lengthy injury lay off. You wouldn't know about reintroducing fast bowlers into a side as India haven't got any fast bowlers! Wade was another poor selection for the tour of India and should never have been selected in any Australian team whatsoever, and never over Haddin. For the record, Wade isn't our B team, nor C, nor D - maybe E. Also, I've not said Aus fielded a B side or second side, so again I ask, what are you going on about, mate? In sport, barely managed to win means nothing, winning is everything.

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 21:23 GMT

    come to Bangladesh and play to Underdog BD and regain your mental strength!!!

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 21:21 GMT

    play more with Australia and India then you might one another one ! ah what a win!!

  • POSTED BY ScottStevo on | January 24, 2014, 21:19 GMT

    @Harmony11, actually Aus weren't a rubbish team ever. Let me get this straight, when Aus turned up in India it was India that were the rubbish team. Fortunately for them Aus had Arthur screwing us from the inside out. After our performances in Eng, I knew we'd beat them in Aus. It wasn't a one man turnaround, the team as a whole performed much better in all disciplines. So, no, one man doesn't make the difference in a team game over a 5 match series. However, one man can make a difference in a single match. Not sure why you're harping on about Trott, he's finished. Mark my words, at his age, with known mental frailties, Eng would be cruel to return him to int'l cricket. Nonetheless, he was withdrawn from selection, therefore unavailable, hence, what are you talking about?! KP might have made a difference. He also might've scored as poorly as he had done so far. Same goes with JA. So Aus without DW, SW, MC, BH, is about the same as Eng losing JA & KP? Dream on! Patto isn't an ODI bowler

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 21:14 GMT

    Why Aus persist with Wade is a mystery, Sure he has improved massively with the gloves, but his batting top 4? sorry but he is a slogger and shouldnt be there, why Paine gets overlook is the other mystery best keeper Aus have for miles, his battting is class, in the BBL no slog sweeps or ugly shots

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 21:09 GMT

    Here we go... "England finally turns it around" "What a great English team" Rubbish. Win one game out of Ten? What an awesome team playing a 50% strength Australian squad who rested some key players because they've already thoroughly trashed this "great" team.

    I guess one win out of ten means OBEs all round?

  • POSTED BY ScottStevo on | January 24, 2014, 21:01 GMT

    @JG2704, I've not said this was an A or B side, however, I'd have not selected Wade. From the squad we've got, oddly enough I thought Finch at the top was going to be our weak link. He's a bit all or nothing, but possibly just needed more time to settle in, as he has done in this series. My Aus ODI side would be Finch, Warner, Watson, Clarke, Bailey, Ferguson/Maxwell (depending on conditions), Haddin, Faulkner, Johnson, Harris, Lyon. From the squad we've chosen, Harris and Lyon get swapped out for Pattinson (as he needs time in the middle) and Doherty with Ferguson or McKay with Maxwell.

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 20:17 GMT

    Wow. Doesn't take much for some people to start the bragging in the comments section does it?

    Anyway, quite disappointed with this. I raised an eyebrow at Bailey's call because it sounded wrong for this game and, lo and behold, it's probably right up there with the worst. Sure, we have a good team for chasing a total (statistically) but only over-confidence of England screwing you up could have made you confident of bowling them out cheap with that attack - Johnson, Coulter-Nile and Pattinson? With no spinner? Are you kidding me? A match where we really could have used McKay, as odd as that may sound.

    I guess fair play to the team representing England. Particularly the South African, the Irishman and the Kiwi as has been the case all series. Any Yorkshiremen want to chip in any time soon?

  • POSTED BY Nerk on | January 24, 2014, 20:09 GMT

    If England want to keep Morgan as the finisher, they will need to find someone for the middle order. Stokes played wonderfully well last night, but still looks a little undercooked for 3. They need a good number 4 to keep the momentum going...that is where they have fallen this series.

    Australia's attack was poorly balanced without McKay. Pattinson is undercooked and needed more games under his belt before being thrown into international team. Coulter-Nile looks a good prospect for the future, but he and Johnson need someone like McKay to balance their attacking attitude.

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | January 24, 2014, 19:40 GMT

    Well done to England. Despite what a few post, England are not a poor side or out of form, this side can beat any side in the world & consistently. No matter which team you talk about, the law of averages will always come into place. The fact we went so long with successive wins was as much as good fortune as good play, something along the lines of (minimum) 60/40 win ratio is what all teams strive for. I also wish people would stop confusing tests with ODI or even T20, they are not the same.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 19:27 GMT

    @jb633 on (January 24, 2014, 16:22 GMT) Time will tell re Jordan. Re Bopara/Masc - yeah I see what you mean. DM has done ok in the 2 BBL league games and Ponting on commentary said he was a horrible bowler to face. Whatever , I rarely see Bopara do anything special for England with the bat. With Bopara it's a rarity that he goes near a SR of 100 with the bat. For me he's style over substance. Jos is very unconventional and often clumsy looking but he finds a way of getting runs and it's a rarity if he's in for more than 10 balls and not go at 100. Also he shows more urgency in running and I feel this rubs off well on Morgan. The other day Morgan struggled with average slower bowlers when he batted with Ballance/Bopara but seemed to up his game when Jos came in. I also feel Ravi is better if he has a point to prove and if he's dropped down the order he may wake up a bit Re Stokes , he got bogged down today by ok slow bowling and I dont feel he has the skill level to combat this.

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 24, 2014, 19:15 GMT

    @ScottStevo:

    Before the test matches Aus were a rubbish side and was expected to lose the Ashes. Who brought the change? Mitch, right? That is one player. One player is all you need to make a team collapse or sore. Considering how Eng have started to handle Mitch, a batsman like KP probably would have been a solid weapon. And then there's Trott too. For whatever reasons he is not playing even though he hasn't retired. That's two played. Add JA to it and that becomes 3 players. Add the record of these 3 and compare it to those who are missing from this Aus team, it would probably be a tie.

    Funny that Patto was supposed to be your strike bowler in the 1st Ashes and now suddenly he becomes your B Team player? Wade played tests in India, didn't he? He had replaced Haddin there. Now Haddin becomes good and Wade becomes B player?

    In the 2nd ODI, we saw how your A team barely managed to win and in any case, we today saw the ability of your B players. 23 of 42 balls right???

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 19:07 GMT

    @ScottStevo on (January 24, 2014, 17:46 GMT) Fair does. Just wondering what you would have down as the best Aus 11 - not what you think is the best but the side you think they'll name? Surely you still have enough 1st teamers/squad players there for it to be better than a B or C side though?

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 18:32 GMT

    As a Kiwi what really annoys me, Ben Stokes could be playing for NZ, he only went to England at 12 because his dad, a former NZ rugby league player test player went to England for a rugby league coaching contract ! That stupid sport. NZ cricket missed out , this guy is the business , he will be a world class batsman, and his bowling is better than Corey Anderson (although Anderson seems to be a very lucky bowler)

  • POSTED BY seantells on | January 24, 2014, 17:52 GMT

    I think Eng can win the next World Cup , all the negatives and little positives will take them there

  • POSTED BY ScottStevo on | January 24, 2014, 17:46 GMT

    @JG2704, you've missed the point completely. Trott and Swann are ridiculous for your argument as one is retired and the other doesn't realise that he's retired (he won't play for Eng again - and nor should he). They aren't 'missing' from your team, they weren't there to be selected! Regardless of whether or not they're better players than those in your team, they're no longer part of your team or squad. So, without naming random players who MIGHT have been in your team, from the players that you could've selected, only Anderson and Pietersen were missing (as I said) and given their recent form, potentially wouldn't have achieved much more than any other in the squad. Hence, Selassie-I's statement was complete rubbish; and your argument, as I suspect you already know, is rather poor.

  • POSTED BY Englishmanabroad on | January 24, 2014, 17:42 GMT

    Glad to see England finally get a win. But then again, with the exception of Finch, the Australian batting was abysmal. Finch was the only batsman to get above 30.

    Australian Bowling/Fielding - mediocre to bad.

    English Batting, a huge improvement across the board (not difficult to achieve give recent history). Bowling - OK, not great, but better than recently. Didn't allow the Australian tail much of a wag.

  • POSTED BY CodandChips on | January 24, 2014, 17:37 GMT

    Also don't think one performance from Bresnan will change my opinion of him. Bring in Woakes- why call up Woakes into the squad and not to play him, when he was getting regular cricket in the BBL.I would also give Briggs a game.

    Not too sure about Stokes at 3. Would give Ballance another series, but he has been disappointing.

    1.Cook 2.Bell 3.Ballance 4.Morgan 5.Buttler 6.Stokes 7.Woakes 8.Bopara (to bowl- there's nobody else- Tredwell possibly?) 9.Broad 10.Jordan 11.Briggs

  • POSTED BY CodandChips on | January 24, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    Finally a win. Well done Cook and Bell. Showed they could score runs and quickly- proved me wrong. Well done Bresnan- took wickets and was economical- proved me wrong. Well done Stokes for delivering at last.

    But we are still 3-1 down. We still almost never get 300. I doubt Cook and Bell will be able to repeat such a start. We have still only won 1 series since jostling for number 1 with South Africa in ODIs.

    Cook and Bell should open next match, but I'd still try a different approach in the West Indies. My choice would be Hales- he averages approx 37 in T20Is- morethan everyone in this current squad bar Morgan does in ODIs (perhaps not Cook/Root- haven't checked).

    @JG2704 to continue our Luke Wright debate, I agree if he plays, he has to play his natural game. You also suggested that Carberry suffered from nerves- to which I reluctantly agree (the drop sitters and all).

    Hope Bopara is unceremoniously dumped. Poor career. Poor series. Unfortunately a waste of talent.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 17:28 GMT

    I believe Aussie pace Bowling is awesome at the moment probably best after SouthAfrica and Pakistani Pace Attack and reservoirs. Starc, Cummins, Mckay, Johnson, Siddle, Haris, Pattinson bollinger coulter nile with 3 allrounders fully capable of bowling 10 overs Christian, Watson, Faulkner The only thing they lack is the Quality spinner which is why they often go for runs in subcontinent As far as WC15 is concerned, Aussies are going to lift the trophy for the 5th time...Only Pakistan and India can challenge

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 16:51 GMT

    poor England finally have something to smile :)

  • POSTED BY tom120 on | January 24, 2014, 16:45 GMT

    Australia played brilliantly this summer. But in one day Australian bowling is very ordinary. This has been seen in 3 out of 4 matches. Pattinson doesn't look good. Coulter nile is decent but not good, we can't say much about Mitch, he's had a long summer. I say they need Ryan Harris in one days also. In test matches also, if you remove Harris, it is decent but not a great attack. Australia needs to work on their bowling, they need to figure out which bowlers they need to pick. One more thing, I haven't seen Aussie bowlers bowling yorkers, a concern.

    Though they have won the series, I have doubts about Maxwell and Bailey. Bailey needs to work on his technique, he's a good one day player. But he hasn't played well at all in both one day and test matches vs England, while he was superb in Indian flat pitches.Maxwell he tries to hit every ball. He is a great talent, but should not become like Afridi. He should be more patient.

    I hope they will win the last match and make it 4-1.

  • POSTED BY jb633 on | January 24, 2014, 16:22 GMT

    @JG207, Your probably right about that to be fair. I must confess I haven't followed ODI cricket particularly closely since the Champions Trophy and in that particular tournament Ravi was decent with bat and ball. However given the success of Butler I would agree with you that you must get your in form guys up the order and give them a chance to settle themselves before the onslaught. My team was not necessary a set in stone batting order just a general outline of a team I hope would have a chance of competing. I like Ravi with the ball, he reminds me a bit of Dimi Mascaraneous with his nibble and good lengths. I am really not convinced with Jordan, to me he doesn't look like his action will allow him to be accurate and consistent at this level. I really hope Finn will come back strong. We need a guy like him firing.

  • POSTED BY cricketsubh on | January 24, 2014, 16:18 GMT

    maxwell need to be play carefully in this match he throw his wicket by careless shot i do not think he can can hold his place in australian side when stac,makey ,dhourty come backed and fulkner played all rounders role at 6 or 7

  • POSTED BY Nutcutlet on | January 24, 2014, 16:04 GMT

    In a season of metaphorical dark clouds for England, the sun has - at last - made a sparkling apppearance. Welcome, indeed! And well done to the players for coming up with a win after being under the cosh for weeks & weeks. Suddenly, Cook thinks his mojo is back, but does one win against a second-string Australian side in party mode, a summer make? Well, Adelaide - when the big guns that have been cooling off will be back - will give everyone a better answer. The first thing Cook did right today was lose the toss. Batting first - which always has to be the right choice unless there are OVERWHELMING reasons not to - puts the emphasis on the batting side to set the pace & if successful, boss the match. This Eng was able to do - with generous slices of luck. A score north of 300 was mandatory. Great work by Bell, Cook, Stokes & esp. Buttler. And it was enough as Aust lost their way a little & Stokes' golden arm did good work. Has the tide turned, really? Not enough evidence here, IMO.

  • POSTED BY glance_to_leg on | January 24, 2014, 15:40 GMT

    I agree absolutely with anton1234. Test cricket offers grand narrative, a test of character as well as skill, and offers the chance for many twists and turns. T20s are huge fun. When they first came in I thought I'd loathe them, but I have come thoroughly to enjoy the format. ODIs are just tedious. Still, it is nice to have won something, even if it was a match about which no one really cared. Also good to see some younger and more determined players. Jordan, Butler (hope he will replace Bairstow once and for all in the selectors' minds), Stokes are the future. Why no Wright still perplexes me: brilliant short form opener, decent fielder, and worth a few overs of brisk medium if needed.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 15:29 GMT

    Re Stokes. Brilliant spirited performance from him again but there's no way he should come in before Morgan and Buttler. Even today - with the bat he got bogged down by slow bowling and I dont see that he has the skill level that Morgan and Buttler have to release the pressure with improvised shots or aggressive running. His SR like Ballance and Bopara is in the early to mid 70s which is ok for alot of English pitches but poor for these proven 300+ pitches. Unfortunately I see this performance keeping him at number 3 for a while and I reckon the previous stint at 3 was more the norm and any OD side who does their homework will just put on their slow bowlers and provided they do a job I reckon he'll continually get bogged down. With this side my batting would be Bell,Cook,Morgan,Ballance,Stokes,Bopara. I'd have Buttler floating and to come in any time after Morgan after say the 15th/20th over.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 15:29 GMT

    @jb633 on (January 24, 2014, 12:15 GMT) I'm going to ask everyone (within reason) who posts their WC side why they play Buttler behind Bopara and Stokes in the ODI batting line up ? Stokes did much better today with the bat but even then was bogged down by slower bowling. Buttler has nearly twice the average and SR in the series and has scored (I make it) 52 more runs from 31 less balls and he has only faced more balls because Ravi has been so pathetic. He has faced 27 more balls than Bopara and scored 93 more runs than him again at about double the SR. In fact the only player who beats him on both average and runs scored is Morgan who has scored 85 more runs but has faced 124 more balls. Bell has scored 35 more runs and faced 124 more balls and averages slightly less at an obviously less SR. I don't have any major issues with the side but no way do Ravi and Stokes come in before Buttler unless they have an early collapse

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 15:28 GMT

    @ Harmony111 on (January 24, 2014, 11:49 GMT) re Aus bowling attack. One main reason why they went for those ERs - Jos Buttler. Had they bowled to Ballance/Bopara more they'd have all had better figures Not sure if Patto is an ODI regular but you're right - it's not a B or C team

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 15:27 GMT

    @salazar555 on (January 24, 2014, 13:20 GMT) I'd keep him in the side but as a bowling all rounder. He offers something different with the Ball

    @Rooboy on (January 24, 2014, 13:48 GMT) A bit generalistic there.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 15:26 GMT

    @ScottStevo - Indeed Anderson could have been all over the place but he is still a regular and of course KP could have been off form too. Then of course there's Trott and IMO (and I know he's retired) Swann. Of course Swann could have gone for runs the way he did in the test series but Tredwell has done ok and I rate Swann higher than Tredwell. I know you'll argue with me but pre tour Eng's best (or what the selectors see as the best) ODI 11 would definitely have included KP,Trott,Swann and Anderson and possibly Finn too. We can all say if we had him and him playing things would be different but all that is supposition. It only takes one good knock with the bat/bowling spell to bring a player's mojo back. KP for example was a whole lot worse in the UAE test series and then came back to score back to back tons. For the record I think the worst omission was Doherty as our middle order has consistently proven to slow against any slow bowling regardless of the quality

  • POSTED BY jackiethepen on | January 24, 2014, 15:24 GMT

    Sean Marsh "carelessly guided to second slip" report from McGlashan instead of the 'superb airborne catch' we read about in the Guardian and other papers. So it must be Bell who took the catch. Can you imagine the paragraph that would have been expended on Joe Root if he had taken such a catch to break the Aussie opening partnership!!

  • POSTED BY IAMGOD on | January 24, 2014, 15:21 GMT

    Looks like 300 is the new 250. This despite the presence of the likes of MJ, SCB.... Indian bowlers needn't despair. The Indian openers should!

  • POSTED BY Jagger on | January 24, 2014, 15:09 GMT

    Landl47 thinks our bowling was close to full strength lol.

    Nice one bowling first, Bailey.

    Still shaking the head over Pattinson's selection. Would've thought Bird had deserved his chance with a Test average of 23 and a FC & T20 average of 20!

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 15:03 GMT

    I went to knock on the OZ's door. Finch could not clinch the issue, for OZ. The doors didn't open an inch. I didn't want to flinch and went next door.

    I went to the English door and rang the Bell. While waiting, I could smell some withering Flowers. Yes, even imported Flowers have a limited life, no? Maybe; maybe not! Some wanted to put them back into the vase; some want to discard... Let me not digress.

    As butlers do, Buttler welcomed & lead me into the kitchen, where the Cook had put the Roots back into the fridge. Cook perhaps realised that the vegetarian diet is not working for the boys. He tried to bring more balance by bringing in Ballance. But Ballance lost his balance while going to catch a high-flier, but luckily it didn't cost much.

    But I should say the clincher is this. They say; "different strokes for different folks". Yes, Stokes made the difference between a win and loss!

    Gnasher, don't gnash your teeth at my silly lines. With Winter around, can't hep it; no?

  • POSTED BY PeterEckersley on | January 24, 2014, 14:52 GMT

    A commendable effort from the England "B" team! Ballance Bell Bopara Bresnan Broad Buttler not forgetting Ben (Stokes)!

  • POSTED BY zeus_kris on | January 24, 2014, 14:44 GMT

    Not sure how Pattinson got back into the squad for ODI series and also SA tour without putting up any good performances to back it up. Bad selection for this ODI. Pattinson, Coulter-Nile and Wade were totally pathetic. Not sure why selectors keep on going back to Wade when he is no good in tests or ODI. Bring in Tim Paine. He is in great form in BBL.

  • POSTED BY pragmatist on | January 24, 2014, 14:42 GMT

    Stokes seems a very promising cricketer, and Buttler is going to ask a lot of questions of Prior in the future. Quite why Wright isn't in the side I don't know. Perhaps because Cook is occupying his slot.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 14:24 GMT

    Finally the drought comes to an end.What a performance from Stokes.First a master innings to push the team towards a huge total then being the destroyer in chief with the ball.

  • POSTED BY ScottStevo on | January 24, 2014, 14:21 GMT

    @Selassie-I, that's rubbish, mate. You're only really missing Pietersen as Anderson was all over the place and most likely wouldn't have performed any better/worse than any other bowler in this series. That's not to say Pietersen would've done much either considering the way he was batting when he left.

  • POSTED BY siddhartha87 on | January 24, 2014, 14:10 GMT

    Buttler played another amazing innings.This guy is a brutal hitter of the cricket ball.Good to see Bell and Cook going more aggressive

  • POSTED BY shramiac1 on | January 24, 2014, 14:05 GMT

    34 deg C, second string side, win the toss and .............. bowl?????? Shows where Bailey's head is at the moment. Will fail miserably on the South Africa tour. Pattinson is not in any way ready for international cricket. All the bowlers were disappointing and congrats to England for capitalising.

  • POSTED BY anton1234 on | January 24, 2014, 14:03 GMT

    ODI cricket is boring. For me it's the tests and T20s. These ODI matches go on forever with players showing no urgency like they do in T20. From start to finish they last around 8hrs, way too long for the modern consumer. Test matches are different. It's a different format of the game that tests the players to the limit, and therefore people accept it. T20s are exciting and thrilling, played at a fast tempo. Unless they change the ODI format to 40 overs a side and get each innings completed in 2hrs 30 minutes, I think there will be a lot of trouble for this format. You can see from the crowds; while the Ashes were sold out, the ODIs aren't taken too seriously by the fans or even the media, with broadcasters sending their second string commentators and reporters.

  • POSTED BY PhillieFanatic on | January 24, 2014, 13:53 GMT

    Sub-standard team and sub-standard performance from Australia. Even a pathetically bad England team should (and did) win this game. Not a whole lot for England to take away from this series.

  • POSTED BY Guernica on | January 24, 2014, 13:51 GMT

    Looking at the match at the same venue just 3 years ago, there is only one player from each side today that played in that game - Bell and Johnson. That's is pretty extraordinary and shows how much rotation goes on in ODIs.

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | January 24, 2014, 13:50 GMT

    Well done, England, at least a double whitewash has been avoided. The batting was pretty good, since the Aussie bowling was close to full strength. Whether this is a strong enough bowling unit to carry England back to the top is another matter.

    Before the tour started, a full-strength England line-up would have read something like Cook, Bell, Trott, KP, Morgan, Bopara, Buttler, Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Anderson, with Root, Tredwell and Finn being the batting and bowling reserves. Stokes has been discovered and would probably be preferred to Bopara now, but 6 of the 14 have gone from that squad for various reasons. Some will be back, some likely not, but it's definitely a team rebuild.

  • POSTED BY Rooboy on | January 24, 2014, 13:48 GMT

    Wow. The English media, fans, and team were so full of themselves prior to this series. Nice to know that their unwarranted arrogance has been knocked back so far now that they're not too proud to accept some charity from the Aussie selectors. Waiting to read reports of England's revival lol

  • POSTED BY Captain_Tuk_Tuk on | January 24, 2014, 13:40 GMT

    Should have played with Clarke as a captain I rate Baily below average as a captain.

  • POSTED BY yogicoolboy on | January 24, 2014, 13:34 GMT

    a good victory for england

  • POSTED BY AB34 on | January 24, 2014, 13:31 GMT

    No Pietersen (doubt he play for England ever again), Anderson (seems to be on the slide and down in pace, similar to what happen to Gillesipe or Trott (again doubtful he play for England).

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | January 24, 2014, 13:30 GMT

    England B beat Australia A, the future is bright for England

  • POSTED BY Selassie-I on | January 24, 2014, 13:26 GMT

    Nice reaction from the Aussies here - "our depleted team" like the depleted team that England has been playing for the whole series?

    There's never a loss because England finally played well?

    Well done lads, especially stoksey, what a great prospect, if he can shine under so much pressure he must have some potential.

  • POSTED BY Iddo555 on | January 24, 2014, 13:20 GMT

    Time for Bopara to be dumped out of this team. He's doing nothing with the bat and is a dead weight around the leg of this side. Another poor game from him when everyone else stood up to the challenge today

  • POSTED BY Iddo555 on | January 24, 2014, 13:17 GMT

    Happy for Cook, it's been a tough tour for him and the team. Winning is a habit so make sure you take the final one day game

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 13:13 GMT

    Hopefully this is the sign of things to come for England's one day squad at least. I've felt for a very, very long time that England's 'game plan' in one day cricket is to safely score about 270 then try to defend it. That works just fine against average sides, but against sides with truly explosive batsmen in it, like Australia, South Africa, West Indies, India etc, it just doesn't cut it. England need to take more risks. If they do, they'll reach totals like this, and even truly exceptional sides like South Africa would have a hard time. Ben Stokes went perhaps a little far, but the aggression and intent is exactly what England fans have been screaming for for a while instead of the usual dull stuff.

  • POSTED BY wapuser on | January 24, 2014, 13:12 GMT

    I have absolutly no idea why in the world england is so persistant with tim bresnan...he is a liability to english cricket team who never won a match for the team... If u look at his states he is very ordinary cricketer who doesnt fit in current england team..plz selectors have mercy on english team n fans.

  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | January 24, 2014, 13:08 GMT

    Also, we need to fix up our ODI bowling. I really think we are missing Starc who had been fantastic in ODI's. Pattinson is so far off the pace, i don't see him featuring for Australia in any form from now on in for a while. Maybe we should have tried Bird in his place.

    McKay has had it tough, he is a good bowler, and so is X! Those two are underrated and have done a good job for a while. X was going for under 3 an over, not sure why he was dropped, stupid selection. It's ironic how Mitch now looks a MUCH better Test bowler than ODI one too.

  • POSTED BY DylanBrah on | January 24, 2014, 13:05 GMT

    No Warner, Clarke, Watson, Haddin, Harris, Starc is what it took for England to finally get a win. Nathan Coulter-nile and Daniel Christian wouldn't even make my 3rd string team. Wade would be the 3rd string keeper behind Haddin and Paine if he was lucky. Even then I'd probably prefer Handscomb. How Voges/White didn't get a gig here is beyond me. Dead rubber ODI win against a 3rd string Australian team. Lap it up pommies.. lap it up..

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 12:52 GMT

    England is back OMG my cricket team has finally won a game in the land of the kangaroo. Please relive Mr Cook as one day captain , give both T20 and 50 overs captaincy to Broad and only Play Mr Cook in test and England will certainly cook up the Aussies

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 12:50 GMT

    An excellent win for England. Congratulations to them! Positive intent is what was required and thats what they provided. It's great to see. In the world cup, surely we have to mix up the batting order to put in a solid starter with a power batsman in order to a) keep the scoreboard ticking and b) put the opposition's bowling unit onto the backfoot. Our bowlers need to have the confidence to mix up their line and length, in order to keep the opposition batsmen guessing. Also, the confidence to not get shaken up if they get hit. This group of players is the nucleus for the team with a couple of changes. They are a decent team.

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 12:48 GMT

    Oh finally England broke their lucky duck lol oh well let them have a happy little win but without our keys players rested ! Go the Aussie !

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 12:36 GMT

    Come on Australia, a whole series whitewash would have been an awesome message to other teams. To the comments on 'Australia A', these players are not first choice, but they are hardly untested new faces. Also England weren't exactly full strength either. At least be gracious in defeat and praise good opposition. That being said, I expect Australia to win the rest of the matches.

  • POSTED BY Matt.au on | January 24, 2014, 12:34 GMT

    Well done England.

    It's been a long time coming but I'm glad to see them finally win one.

    It's been one heck of a long tour for the English lads and and with all the off field drama, including Mr Trott needing to go home, Swann deciding, mid tour, it's all too hard and poor old Mr Flynn losing his confidence so badly he couldn't bowl a ball in anger.

    Many a side would not have been able to, mentally and physically, get themselves up to play to a level where they could beat a strong home side.

    I love it when we beat the poms, have loved it for 50 years, including when I use to sneek the crystal radio into bed as a young boy and listen to the game to the wee hours.

    Having said that, I started to feel for this current team. I know it's a fair bit different to the test team but still, some of those boys have been to hell and back. Now finally, they have something to smile about.

  • POSTED BY RapidCommentsPlz on | January 24, 2014, 12:33 GMT

    @aussie1993 u seem to b pretty good wid calculations. Dnt worry abt us. We wont b losing series to NZ as u have bn hoping for a long time.Bt I supse i will b Eng who will end with 3-2 to home track bullies.ha ha

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | January 24, 2014, 12:32 GMT

    All Indian fans banging on about "we lost to make you #1 blah blah" let me know when you've won 3 world cups in a row and been #1 for more than a year or two. We're used to being #1, you guys are excited that you were ever there.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | January 24, 2014, 12:29 GMT

    @Hatter_mad you're enjoying this dead rubber against Australia A a bit too much

  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | January 24, 2014, 12:29 GMT

    Stokes is trash. Mouths off way too much for his own good. And people say the Aussies are trash talkers, he will come back to Earth soon. Let's make sure he doesn't win the ashes for a decade.

  • POSTED BY RapidCommentsPlz on | January 24, 2014, 12:16 GMT

    @jg2704 hmm u seem to b pretty right.

  • POSTED BY jb633 on | January 24, 2014, 12:15 GMT

    Despite the win, I am seriously unimpressed with our bowling attack to hand. Have a go at Jimmy all you want but he is essential to our ODI side. We will need him come next year. Tredwell is a decent operator in the short formats and we should retain him. I know people keep talking about Jordan but he is cannon fodder and bowls too much dross. I would use Stokes sparingly as a bowling optioon and use him in the middle overs more than at the death. Bopara is actually a canny operator and I like him as an ODI cricketer. My WC 2015 line up would be Cook, Bell, KP, Morgan, Bopara, Stokes, Butler, Broad, Tredwell, Jimmy, Finn (obviously he needs to get back to form and sort his head out).

  • POSTED BY aussie1993 on | January 24, 2014, 12:14 GMT

    To maintain the No 1 position India have to win all three ODIs v NZ despite if australia lose at adelaide on sunday so now india have to. win series now for which is very unlikely australia have done their job 3-1(might be 4-1 on sunday)

  • POSTED BY robble on | January 24, 2014, 12:13 GMT

    No Pietersen, Anderson or Trott so this could be considered a bit of an England 'A' side too.

  • POSTED BY Hatter_Mad on | January 24, 2014, 12:01 GMT

    Those posting that this was Australia A really have no idea. If injury and withdrawals had caused huge problems then you'd have a case, but CA had every player available and England took on some of their previous "tormentors" in this game and came out with a thumping. Time for some Aus supporters to man up and take it on the chin.

  • POSTED BY AMMAR3438668158 on | January 24, 2014, 11:54 GMT

    i wonder why australia lost this match,is austalia relax after winning this series,is G.bailey forget captaincy,is australia not hae those players who chase target comfortably,is australia not win without clarke,warner and watson.i really miss M.hussy who is a great finisher.australia bowl so poor specially james pattension bowling not so good he does not include in this match or not in one day team.he retain only in tests.why aus lose in waca or sometime win in very difficulty,i wonder.overall performance of aus in this match is poor and not a champion team performance.i really disappoint for this performance because aus is my favourte team.i also wonder why x.doherty not include he is best option for spin in aussie team.

  • POSTED BY YorkerStump on | January 24, 2014, 11:52 GMT

    Why would people even consider this Aussie ODI team an "Australian B" , "Australian A" or second/third string battling/bowling line up? When 2/3 of the players are the same group of people who were in the previous two to three ODIs in the series. Pup trusted the replacements to do the job and they didn't today. Finch played outstandingly yet again, but no one was really there to back him up. The players you saw today will have some part to play in next year's World Cup. England have finally won something thanks to a good team performance. Roll on Adelaide, so we can have another nailbiting game!

    P.S. Mitch had a poor day with both bat and all, but who can blame him? No one. You've won both series in more than convincing fashion.

  • POSTED BY Shaggy076 on | January 24, 2014, 11:50 GMT

    It was an international game and England won give credit where it is due rather than the Australia A calls. England batted very well, Butler was massive and Stokes and Broad bowled very well. Australia had there chances but the continual loss of wickets was the issue. Throughout this whole tour Australia have taken on a team that previously was #2 in tests and champion league finalist always had the quality to win a game so I don't understand the knee jerk reactions when try win a limited over game. It doesn't deter from Australias achievements this summer. There is one area for concern for Australia in the limited over game and that is the death bowling we really need to pick someone predominantly to do this role, I like Kane Richardson and think he is exceptional at this role.

  • POSTED BY rajcl on | January 24, 2014, 11:49 GMT

    @ RandyOZ AUSTRALIA also no 1 because of INDIA lost 4 odi on row , i think this is 1st time rankings comes in middle of the sereis so wait for end of the both series who is no1 in odi

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 11:49 GMT

    @RandyOZ: Dude!! How about putting it this way. India lost against NZ and that s how australia reached number 1 spot.. They were still below India after winning 3 matches in a row and India were still number 1 after loosing so many matches in a row. So you see there was a clear gap between the number 1 and number 2.. Now they drop back to number 2 after loosing a match. :D

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 24, 2014, 11:49 GMT

    Aren't Patto, NCN among the preferred Aus fast bowlers? Aren't Mitch & Faulkner their regular players? Just cos someone hasn't played a few matches of late doesn't make him a Aus B team player. If you have a good chance of selection when fit then you are an Aus regular. This is true for any team actually. In today's match, there is not one Aus player who is a newbie or an irregular. They all have played ample cricket for Aus of late.

    So how will Aus fans explain that Mitch, Patto, NCN, Faulkner all went for 6+ RPO on WACA? It is understandable if Indian bowlers go for runs cos they are trash but what about Aus fast bowlers? Take Mitch and Patto, they had horror days. Mitch who is probably as good as Steyn at the moment, wnet for 72 runs on WACA when both WACA and he are at their peaks.

    Even if we say that this was Aus B team in batting, their supposedly B players clearly can't do much even at home.

    Aus stay at #1 reminds me of the story "King for 2.5 days".

  • POSTED BY StarveTheLizard on | January 24, 2014, 11:48 GMT

    Well No#1 was good while it lasted. I am surprized England won in Perth though. It just shows how important the resting players are for Australia.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 11:47 GMT

    @Ashokdmightyindian on (January 24, 2014, 11:17 GMT) In today's game only 1 Aus batsman did it but in the rest of the OD series and in the test series all the Aus batsmen played a part. Re today. Cook and Bell got us off to a a very decent start. Stokes did well but got bogged down against innocuous looking bowling but it was only Jos's inns which came off at the end that enabled a 300+ target. Bopara and Ballance did more for the Aus economy rate than any of their bowlers could and Stokes seemed to drop when Ballance was at the crease. If Jos hadn't come off we could have been looking at a score of around 250-275. If you look at the rest of the series the one time Eng scored around 250 it was when Jos got out early and the 2 occasions we get near/above 300 is when Jos has had more time at the crease - more than just coincidence.

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 11:46 GMT

    @RandyOZ Didn't Australia get to the top of the rankings because India lost?!!

  • POSTED BY Samdanh on | January 24, 2014, 11:46 GMT

    @aussie1993: hit the nail on the head. Well said

  • POSTED BY AVIRAL_Ashok on | January 24, 2014, 11:45 GMT

    @aussie1993 looks likeu r much of an astrologer.eh? Believe in ifs .NZ will beat Ind .ha . Keep that dude . Keep low @randyoz. It wasnt bcoz aus gained no1 bt Ind who lost. Home track bullies!!ha ha

  • POSTED BY R_U_4_REAL_NICK on | January 24, 2014, 11:43 GMT

    Well... PHEW! One win out of nine games = England on the rise once more! Stokes rightly man-of-the-match, but Buttler must have been a big contender as well after his knock at a great strike rate and five catches behind the sticks. Doubtless Finch had many hearts in mouths as well. Surprised Bailey put England in to bat first really, but I suppose on another day the Australian bowlers would have blown England away as usual. Thanks anyway England for showing there's hope/life left in the world, regardless of what philosophy says about Pandora's box...

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 11:39 GMT

    hmmm, Australia A.... but childish. Both Teams had 3 players with less than 20 matches.

    And both teams are missing 3 or more players who will be part of the world cup squad. So looks like neither team was at full strength.

  • POSTED BY Samdanh on | January 24, 2014, 11:32 GMT

    A well earned win, at last for England. It will do a world of good to the morale of the team, to go back and prepare for series against India that is coming up in about 5 months from now. Hopefully BCCI does not pull out from the 5 match series like they reduced a 3 match series in SA into a two match series. You never know, in their current trend of losses overseas they may stop playing overseas in future

  • POSTED BY ScottStevo on | January 24, 2014, 11:28 GMT

    @VivGilchrist, Agree! Wade shouldn't bat in the top 24 let alone at 3! It was unfair to put him there as he hasn't got the skills to play international cricket let alone bat at 3. nonetheless, well played to England, they batted well. Our bowling is toublesome in ODIs and we've bowled poorly in this series and they took advantage of that today. if you'd told me before the start of Eng's tour that the first match they'd win was the 4th ODI, I'd have chewed your arm off to take it! Well done, Poms!

  • POSTED BY BradmanBestEver on | January 24, 2014, 11:27 GMT

    It's all a bit boring really

  • POSTED BY Clyde on | January 24, 2014, 11:26 GMT

    @Man at work: players and spectators don't have to take part if they don't like the charade. Time for captains to pick teams and for punters to decide who they will follow. Cricket fields are public property and players and spectators more organised and more attractive than the triumvirate only have to get up their alternative matches.

  • POSTED BY Vishnm on | January 24, 2014, 11:26 GMT

    No Pain No Gain for Aussies 1st Position in ICC ODI Ranking for juz 2 days. We are back on Track thanks #TeamEngland

  • POSTED BY aussie1993 on | January 24, 2014, 11:26 GMT

    @aviral without clarke,haddin,mckay,warner it was really tough but india despite playing to their best eleven cant beat kiwis if india lose tomorrow we will get ranking back

  • POSTED BY Fast_Track_Bully on | January 24, 2014, 11:24 GMT

    One day no:1!.lol. Thanks England!

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | January 24, 2014, 11:23 GMT

    India only get to the top of the rankings because Australia lost. They cannot get their on their own back. Flat track home bullies.

  • POSTED BY RapidCommentsPlz on | January 24, 2014, 11:19 GMT

    @JG2704 dude it wasnt just one but every english batsmen contriibuted down d order unlike Aus who depended only on one.REAL PATHETIC!!

  • POSTED BY Hifni on | January 24, 2014, 11:19 GMT

    Finally! An England Win!

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 11:18 GMT

    Aussie fans already making excuses calling this is third string attack. If this is true then it reflects very poorly on your bench strength and pipeline. When will people learn to give credit where it is due?

  • POSTED BY testcric4ever on | January 24, 2014, 11:17 GMT

    The commentators on telly were spot on by saying a lot of things went right for England this game - the single biggest one being Australia resting half their regular team. A hearty well done to lads for their first win against Australia A!

  • POSTED BY RapidCommentsPlz on | January 24, 2014, 11:17 GMT

    @JG2704 dude it wasnt just one but every english batsmen contriibuted down d order unlike Aus who depended only on one.REAL PATHETIC!!

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 11:15 GMT

    England scores 316? Does this mean the pitch is as flat and lifeless as a road? Or does it mean the Aussie bowlers are club class?

  • POSTED BY Shaggy076 on | January 24, 2014, 11:09 GMT

    ccrider; People were complaning about his scoring rate that wasnt an issue for me and as you rightly pointed out getting out was the issue. Ive seen winging about Marsh and Wade scoring rate when we are still in very good positions. Our scoring rate has never been the issue in our poor chases it has been the amount of wickets lost.

  • POSTED BY AVIRAL_Ashok on | January 24, 2014, 11:05 GMT

    @Vivan Surely u thnk aus us betr than Ind? Keep that dude. Ha ha. PITY THEY CUDNT HOLD ON TO OUR RANK FOR EVEN A DAY

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 10:57 GMT

    @Vishwas Reddy on (January 24, 2014, 9:17 GMT) No one was talking about India until some bitter fans came on these posts saying that it was unfair that Aus were number 1 and the rankings were flawed , blah blah blah. As it happened one man was responsible for England getting over the 300 mark after the Aus bowlers had pinned Enmgland back and he could do the same to any attack. Looks like India will regain the number 1 spot as I speak as it looks like England will pull off the 1st win of the tour and then it depends on how India do vs NZ. If India win they pull clear and if NZ win Aus regain top spot which would obviously be hugely unfair

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | January 24, 2014, 10:55 GMT

    Australia have done everything possible for England to win this game, from the toss to team selection, to Wade at 3.

  • POSTED BY on | January 24, 2014, 10:54 GMT

    Hold the presses: England on verge of defeating Australian Second XI.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 10:48 GMT

    Regardless of what happens in this game from here on in , I think Australia have also made a blunder in selection for this game. We have seen how England generally struggle in ODIs against spin and it doesnt have to be against quality mystery spin eithe. It doesnt even have to be against spin - just slow bowling. So I'm wondering why England didnt continue with Doherty seeing in how they struggled vs Doherty himself , Maxwell , Clarke and Christian? This may be a pitch which doesnt take spin so well but does the ball need to spin so much to tie down our middle order vs any kind of slow bowling. Is Doherty even in the SA touring party - I didnt think he was? In this case it's a full on selection error from Australia IMO. I'd also be interested to see an experiment as to how Buttler and Morgan in partnership would get on with Maxwell and Christian. I cant believe that Maxwell and co would come out with similar economy rates

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | January 24, 2014, 10:46 GMT

    Congrats eng on first win against Australia A

  • POSTED BY Vivfan on | January 24, 2014, 10:44 GMT

    @Prasanth Ks. Oh the irony of your statement. "Aussies can't perform well outside Australia" Now Whats happening to India? They can't perform anywhere. Worse than Bangladesh.

  • POSTED BY MAN_AT_WORK on | January 24, 2014, 10:38 GMT

    This result dose,t make any difference to us after reading 3 elites are trying to kill beautiful game, you three can play each other all yearlong but can,t get any supporter from rest of the cricket playing nation R I P cricket

  • POSTED BY Jason83 on | January 24, 2014, 10:35 GMT

    poor bowling by the aussies. they haven't bowled well all series. deserve to loose this one...

  • POSTED BY Harmony111 on | January 24, 2014, 10:33 GMT

    As I type, Aus have 5 wickets in hand and need 95 runs of 66 balls. They got Faulkner, they got Mitch and they got Patto at #11. Aus would be disappointed if they do not win from this position. Eng would be disappointed to lose two out of two after scoring 300+.

    Aus win or lose, in either case, it shows that ODIs are now becoming high-scoring. India got horrible bowlers so they going for 300+ is understandable but other teams supposedly have much superior attacks. If Mitch is going for 72 runs on WACA wicket which is now back to its peak bounce then surely it indicates that the new rules are the basic cause of all this.

  • POSTED BY wanatawu on | January 24, 2014, 10:26 GMT

    Why does Christian bat in front of Faulkner, he was supposed to be in already

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    Aussies cant perform well outside australia...

  • POSTED BY cccrider on | January 24, 2014, 10:07 GMT

    Shaggy says: Not sure why people are winging about Wade at the time he got out Australia were still on track. I reckon 160 of the last 20 will be done more times than not from now on. So far a well timed innings for Australia with plenty of wickets left.

    -----------------

    Nice theory. Only Wade didn't get out in the 30th over. And his strike rate was just over 50 on a road. And Wade showed no desperation. And you failed to mentions Wade's run-a-ball innings to try and make up for Wade. Apart from all that, you have a point.

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | January 24, 2014, 9:57 GMT

    Really disappointed in the Aussie bowling this series. Even more disappointed in the selectors not having a look at others. Pattinson is short of a gallop but in any case is not an ODI bowler. I have never seen the big deal in NCN and after 4 games I still don't.

  • POSTED BY Shaggy076 on | January 24, 2014, 9:45 GMT

    Not sure why people are winging about Wade at the time he got out Australia were still on track. I reckon 160 of the last 20 will be done more times than not from now on. So far a well timed innings for Australia with plenty of wickets left.,

  • POSTED BY cccrider on | January 24, 2014, 9:39 GMT

    Bailey is self-promoted as ultimate team man. Really? Winning the toss and bowling on a road? Playing with an injury? Batting Wade the anchor at 3?

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 9:34 GMT

    if oz lose this match bcoz of wade it is

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 9:17 GMT

    lol and then they were like Indian bowling is bad.... AUS going for over 300 runs against mediocre out of form ENG batsmen on their own backyard..... lol cricket is funny game and fans are more funny....lol

  • POSTED BY R_U_4_REAL_NICK on | January 24, 2014, 9:17 GMT

    @JG2704 (post on January 24, 2014, 7:04 GMT): Totally agree... had one look at the scorecard (and heard a bit of the news this morning) and it's not the 70 from Stokes that sticks out for me, but the Balance and Bopara stats with Buttler once again stuck down at 7 despite a solid platform. If Australia lose this, it will only be because they've tinkered around with their team too much...

  • POSTED BY cccrider on | January 24, 2014, 9:15 GMT

    Wade is awful. Why pick someone out of form? And pick Wade?

  • POSTED BY TheBigBoodha on | January 24, 2014, 9:04 GMT

    I only saw the first part of the innings, but that was as bad a bowling performance as I have ever seen form Australia. Shocking stuff from CNile and Pattinson (as usual). Any bowler who opens the bowling for Australia and bowls 4 wides in his first over should be marked never to play for his country again. Just embarrassing. Pattinson is just a very, very bad ODI bowler. I know they are getting him match ready for SA, but I really wish they could find some other way to do it rather than putting him ODI team.

    Australia were very clearly not cued into the game right from the start. I know it's not a very impportant game, but I would expect a certain standard when playing for Australia.

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | January 24, 2014, 9:03 GMT

    Wade 23 off 42. That's 23 off 7 overs chasing 317. Why was a guy back in the team, only in the team, because Haddin is resting, ie not necessarily in form, promoted to no3? Take away Wades contribution, Australia need 294 off 43 overs. Matthew Wade is England's secret weapon!

  • POSTED BY AlSmug on | January 24, 2014, 9:00 GMT

    is tonight the night?lets hope so i want England players keen to come back for more punishment next time

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | January 24, 2014, 8:48 GMT

    Chasing 316, with so many power-hitters in the line up, I do not understand on why Wade was sent in at 3. The run rate has stagnated as all his focus is to cement his place back in the team. Would've been good to see Maxwell come out instead and keep the run rate moving. I may be proven wrong but at this stage Wade has 16 off 32 and Australia are a good 40runs behind where England were at the same stage.

  • POSTED BY Samdanh on | January 24, 2014, 8:46 GMT

    First time Aus under pump from beginning. Brought upon by Bailey. Perhaps practising for possible situations in 2015 WC!

  • POSTED BY aussie1993 on | January 24, 2014, 8:41 GMT

    common u can chase this down

  • POSTED BY Jason83 on | January 24, 2014, 8:30 GMT

    Fact is: Australia's bowling especially in regards to taking early wickets has been poor. Finishing off the innings has also been a huge problem. I would give the ODI bowlers a 4 out of 10 atm. The batsman have out performed the bowlers by a long way and will be required again to do so.

  • POSTED BY iceaxe on | January 24, 2014, 8:26 GMT

    A competitive total at last. Time to push the Aussie's off their perch!

  • POSTED BY Samdanh on | January 24, 2014, 7:24 GMT

    Belter of a pitch and Bailey does what he did in the crucial last match of the series in India. Aus never won a toss in this series so far and have always been batting second. When the toss is won, here comes the new Captain and asks the opposition to bat. England's best chance. First half certainly belongs to England

  • POSTED BY disco_bob on | January 24, 2014, 7:10 GMT

    This looks like it's going to be a difficult and close chase, England got bogged down but were rescued by Buttler, they probably needed 330-340 to feel safe. I think this weakened Australia will be keen to not to let the whitewash slip away and that is powerful motivation.

  • POSTED BY Iddo555 on | January 24, 2014, 7:10 GMT

    Buttler is a genius. He can do any shot and is a captain's worst nightmare.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 7:08 GMT

    I wonder if England might consider going the whole hog one day and bring in a nightwatchman for an ODI?

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 24, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    Part of me wants Australia to chase this total down. Team England's mindset is SO negative. Cook/Bell (much criticised for slow starts) get us going at over 7 and Stokes (when he comes in) does ok when at the crease with Bell and then Bell gets out on a flat pitch with just 2 wickets down we have 2 ways to go.

    1 - We can go for the jugular and bring in Morgan/Buttler 2 - We can try and consolidate and bring in Ballance and Bopara

    Guess which one we choose?

    Love the Aus commentator's view here John: "Dismissing Ballance may be a big error. We had the run rate down to 5.6"

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    For the first time on this tour, England batsmen seem to genuinely enjoy the game. They have posted a very defendable score. Best of luck!

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 6:51 GMT

    by seeing t20 domestic record we can' t beleave on international matches

  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | January 24, 2014, 6:48 GMT

    George Bailey's captaincy still needs work, it's not a given that he is a good captain tactically. Christain was hard to get away in the first game but he only bowled him 3 overs? Maxwell didn't bowl out, though that's probably inconsequential but i remember him doing the same thing with Doherty when he was the most economical bowler. Needs work.

  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | January 24, 2014, 6:26 GMT

    @Lillie4PM: Doubt it, our batting is very light. They should have had Hughes come in to bat at opener with Finch then Marsh at 3, Smith then Bailey.

  • POSTED BY BradmanBestEver on | January 24, 2014, 6:10 GMT

    This is a third string Aussie side for dead duck rubber - these one day games are a waste of time - should be best of 3 one dayers and no T20s after 5 test series. Yawn

  • POSTED BY wanatawu on | January 24, 2014, 6:10 GMT

    England 222/5 40 overs can see a 350 coming up. England this is a weakened Ozzie team if you can't win today, you unfortunately will not win on this tour.

  • POSTED BY lillee4PM on | January 24, 2014, 6:06 GMT

    Some very ordinary bowling and fielding by Aus but we'll still probably win coz England are always subject to choking!

  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | January 24, 2014, 5:27 GMT

    @Popcorn: He is athletic, but he has been making bad decisions e.g Pietersen dropped catch at melbourne. He should have hit the deck instead of trying to stay on his feet. And here he threw the ball when there was no need.

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | January 24, 2014, 4:48 GMT

    Nathan Coultrer Nile is the WORST fielder in the Australian side. check out the number of times he has misjudged catches.

  • POSTED BY lillee4PM on | January 24, 2014, 4:23 GMT

    "Posted by Sonu F Do on (January 24, 2014, 3:40 GMT) England only test team .They can't play odi and twenty20." A test team?? Where have you been? They just got flogged 5-0!!

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 4:19 GMT

    Excellent point. Those recent T20 world cup winners and Champions Trophy finalists are Test match specialists. The recent Ashes series is proof of this.

    I think I just fell into a troll trap...

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 4:19 GMT

    what bailey said this is not aus a team but he is not clarke. if clarke is captain means he wont allow eng to make runs

  • POSTED BY lillee4PM on | January 24, 2014, 4:18 GMT

    Big fan of George Bailey but he should take a team list with him when talking to the media (poor effort) and should have batted first. Don't know why Pattinson is playing in Perth. He was expensive in Sydney and didn't take wickets, and Clarke rightly pulled him out after six overs. He's following in the same mediocre pattern today and doesn't deserve a trip to SA.

  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | January 24, 2014, 4:02 GMT

    Why bowl again? We need to set the pace, but then again - it's quite hard to defend runs at the WACA. It's a gamble that may work, but it's a risky decision.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | January 24, 2014, 3:40 GMT

    England only test team .They can't play odi and twenty20

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  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | January 24, 2014, 3:40 GMT

    England only test team .They can't play odi and twenty20

  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | January 24, 2014, 4:02 GMT

    Why bowl again? We need to set the pace, but then again - it's quite hard to defend runs at the WACA. It's a gamble that may work, but it's a risky decision.

  • POSTED BY lillee4PM on | January 24, 2014, 4:18 GMT

    Big fan of George Bailey but he should take a team list with him when talking to the media (poor effort) and should have batted first. Don't know why Pattinson is playing in Perth. He was expensive in Sydney and didn't take wickets, and Clarke rightly pulled him out after six overs. He's following in the same mediocre pattern today and doesn't deserve a trip to SA.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 4:19 GMT

    what bailey said this is not aus a team but he is not clarke. if clarke is captain means he wont allow eng to make runs

  • POSTED BY android_user on | January 24, 2014, 4:19 GMT

    Excellent point. Those recent T20 world cup winners and Champions Trophy finalists are Test match specialists. The recent Ashes series is proof of this.

    I think I just fell into a troll trap...

  • POSTED BY lillee4PM on | January 24, 2014, 4:23 GMT

    "Posted by Sonu F Do on (January 24, 2014, 3:40 GMT) England only test team .They can't play odi and twenty20." A test team?? Where have you been? They just got flogged 5-0!!

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | January 24, 2014, 4:48 GMT

    Nathan Coultrer Nile is the WORST fielder in the Australian side. check out the number of times he has misjudged catches.

  • POSTED BY xtrafalgarx on | January 24, 2014, 5:27 GMT

    @Popcorn: He is athletic, but he has been making bad decisions e.g Pietersen dropped catch at melbourne. He should have hit the deck instead of trying to stay on his feet. And here he threw the ball when there was no need.

  • POSTED BY lillee4PM on | January 24, 2014, 6:06 GMT

    Some very ordinary bowling and fielding by Aus but we'll still probably win coz England are always subject to choking!

  • POSTED BY wanatawu on | January 24, 2014, 6:10 GMT

    England 222/5 40 overs can see a 350 coming up. England this is a weakened Ozzie team if you can't win today, you unfortunately will not win on this tour.