England v Australia, 2nd Investec Test, Lord's, 4th day July 21, 2013

England complete crushing four-day win

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England 361 (Bell 109, Bairstow 67, Harris 5-72) and 349 for 7 dec (Root 180, Bell 74, Siddle 3-65) beat Australia 128 (Swann 5-44) and 235 (Khawaja 54, Clarke 51, Swann 4-78) by 347 runs
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England secured a 2-0 lead in the Investec Ashes series as they completed an inevitable victory against Australia with relentless efficiency at the fag-end of the fourth day at Lord's. Australia were four balls away from taking the match into a fifth day, with England forced to take a second new ball, the extra half-hour and finally resorting to silent prayer before completing a 347-run win in the final over.

Before an impatient Lord's crowd, eager to tick a box marked victory and head home, Australia's last pair, James Pattinson and Ryan Harris, established Australia's second highest stand of the innings - 43 runs awash with defiance - before the offspin of Graeme Swann trapped Pattinson lbw.

At Trent Bridge, Ashton Agar and Phil Hughes registered the highest last-wicket partnership in Test history, and Australia's highest of the match. If only the batsmen could bat, they might make a fist of this series.

But Australia have lost six Tests in a row. England are vastly superior. It all feels like a reverse of 20 years ago. England are now the side in a golden era, able to relish high-class players and sound planning; Australia are a basket case.

Returning on Monday morning might have been a suitable mini-punishment for England after they self-indulgently batted on for 18 minutes on the fourth morning in a failed attempt to present Joe Root with a double century. He fell attempting a ramp shot with nine men on the boundary, leaving Ryan Harris with praiseworthy match figures of 7 for 103. Aside from his wonderful innings, the manner of Root's dismissal was unique for an Ashes Test and is perhaps worthy of an Honours Board on its own.

England have four Ashes victories in a row, the strategy of dry pitches is working like a dream and Root's 180 emphasised the gulf between the sides. The youngest English player to make a Test hundred at Lord's, unsurprisingly he took the man-of-the-match award. "I've loved every minute of it," he said.

They made skilful use of a wearing Lord's surface, with Swann predictably to the fore, and with Root also making a cheery guest appearance to break the back of the Australia innings just before tea. Australia will be particularly disturbed that they have completed back-to-back wins without major contributions from the likes of Alastair Cook and Kevin Pietersen.

Australia have only straws to clutch at - Usman Khawaja acquitted himself responsibly at No. 3 to make his second Test half-century and their bowlers are displaying commendable spirit with both bat and ball - but only one side in Ashes history has ever won a series 3-2 after losing the first two Tests. England can surely assume the Ashes are as good as retained.

Only one Test side, also, has ever survived for 173 overs or more in the fourth innings to draw a match. That was England against South Africa in Durban in 1939 when a Timeless Test was abandoned after nine days so England could catch a boat home. Australia's task was to show they were not on a slow boat to nowhere, to transform a humiliation into a defeat respectable enough to keep body and soul together for the rest of the series.

That task will be made more difficult while the air remains thick with corporate emails. As Australia's players sought consolation in another defeat, Cricket Australia and their sacked coach, Micky Arthur, exchanged public statements and David Warner's manager felt obliged to distance Warner from his own brother after he made venomous comments about Shane Watson. It cannot get much worse.

Australia, bundled out for 128 first time around, were in disarray at 48 for 3 at lunch as they faced an entirely notional 583 to win. Swann led England's victory push. Expectation of turn was enough to befuddle Rogers, who left a straight one, and Hughes, who reviewed his lbw decision, only to be reminded that, in these days of DRS, lbws are possible for offspinners operating around the wicket even if they do not straighten the ball.

Before then, Watson fell in accustomed manner, lbw, this time hunted down by James Anderson. It was not the embarrassing exit of the first innings, when he planted his front pad and whipped across one and then compounded the error by wasting a review when stone dead. This time he was more respectably beaten by a ball that nipped back and, aware that there was no chance of a reprieve, shook his head mournfully at his batting partner, Rogers, and walked off.

Clarke, coming in at No 5, faced a familiar story: 36 for 3. The cricketing argument for him to bat at No. 4 is offset by the statistical evidence that when he does so it halves his average. He might have departed before lunch, too, when he came down the pitch to Swann, was beaten on the outside edge by one that did not turn, only for Matt Prior, equally deceived, to miss the stumping.

Root's memorable Lord's Test continued apace when he conjured up the wickets of Clarke and Khawaja shortly before tea, breaking their composed 98-run stand in a spell of 7-3-9-2. Clarke, Khawaja and Steve Smith all fell within the space of 21 deliveries.

Root, encouraging hopes that he could develop into the fifth bowler England need on spin-friendly surfaces, found extravagant turn out of the rough to dismiss Clarke, but his dismissal was a soft one as he tickled a ball down the leg side to be caught by Alastair Cook at leg slip. Khawaja put up staunch resistance but followed in Root's next over when he pushed at a ball that turned and edged gently to James Anderson at gully.

Nevertheless, there was enough in Khawaja's approach to suggest that he intends to battle for the right to become Australia's long-term No. 3. He carried the fight against some short bowling from Stuart Broad immediately after lunch, in contrast to Clarke, who was struck on the shoulder and helmet in quick succession by the same bowler. He also blocked Swann out of the footholds with determination.

Swann was a touch hampered by a lower-back injury, caused when Khawaja accidentally collided with him when dashing a single to the bowler's end, and although he regularly found pronounced turn out of the footholds, with the ball travelling more than once straight to slip or gully, he required painkillers and after 17 overs eventually gave way to Root.

Smith's departure to the last ball before tea - the batsman unsuccessfully reviewing after he had been caught at the wicket off a thin inside nick against Tim Bresnan - completed a deflating end to the session after Australia's top-order batsmen had shown as much application as at any time in the series.

Australia's frustrations were compounded by further issues over DRS after tea. Brad Haddin was adjudged lbw to Swann as he padded up to one that turned from around the wicket and then Agar's brief cut and thrust through point - the area where he lives or dies - was silenced when England successfully turned to the review system to win a catch at the wicket off Bresnan.

The TV umpire, Tony Hill, upheld it on noise (and Snicko supported him) but there was no mark on Hot Spot, inviting more grumbles from traditionalists wedded to a simpler time when an on-field umpire's decision was law. Simpler times have gone for ever. And, in Australian cricket, there are more pressing things to carp about.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • garibaldi on July 22, 2013, 12:11 GMT

    The danger for England here is that they have not played their best, and they mustn't rest on their laurels and ignore problems. Although the margin of victory was huge, the performance of 1-4 in this series so far is a worry: Cook the run machine hasn't quite turned up, and although Root was magnificent, he did look vulnerable against the moving ball, and it remains the case that the opening partnerships have been disappointing. If England address these issues then they will be in very good shape; if not, they could be at risk of a cornered tiger fight back. Well done to the selectors for going with Bresnan- he showed some of his old quality again.

  • borninthetimeofSRT on July 21, 2013, 19:28 GMT

    During the Pre-Ashes build up, Aussies were found talking the most about this test series. The entire Aussie club, including the players, experts, commentators, veterans, everybody for that matter was talking about the Ashes even before the start of India - Aus series. I remember Sunil Gavaskar once mentioned during the India - Aus series that the Aussies need to concentrate on what is in front of them and should worry about the Ashes later. To me it seems that Australia have over prepared for this series. And there's no point playing when there's no contest. Just don't play for the sake of tradition, because the tradition deserves better. Aussies need to get the Ashes monkey off their back, forget about the old rivalry and must try to become better players, and get better at the game. The rest of the world did while the Aussies ruled, now its their turn.

  • on July 21, 2013, 13:25 GMT

    I wonder if the emphasis on T20 during Australia's domestic season, is a reason for the decline in temperament and technique amongst Australia's batsmen. For the last couple of seasons the Big Bash competition goes on for a couple of months mid season. It seems illogical to play so much domestic T20, compared to how much is played internationally. Aussie batsmen too often, look impatient, ill prepared and unable to mentally apply themselves for extended periods, sympotomatic of the shortest form of the game I'd suggest.

  • Dhumper on July 25, 2013, 20:35 GMT

    @HZO and Fguy: As I mentioned earlier, I don't go by stats alone as it doesn't tell the whole story - but if you really insist, I dug up stats from summer of 2011 till today. Not counting draws, India 10 wins 10 losses, Pak 8 wins 5 losses. So even by stats Pak have better win ratio! (and remember UAE is not even real 'home')

    @cric-J India got hammered 8-0 because of batting failures combined with poor bowling. To my earlier comment - bowlers win test games combined with even average batting. Average bowling and good batting will get you draws but getting 20 wickets won't be easily possible. No doubt India is recovering but it will be a while before they get their bowling act together to string along good batting and beat teams like SA. Pak bowlers can do that in UAE if their batsmen put a decent score. That's why I say we are in a much better position to challenge them. Eng seems to have learned to play spin so they are up there too with their all around bowling attack.

  • H_Z_O on July 25, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    Also worth pointing out that India's team is, like Australia's, in transition. They are in the process of discarding the older players and bringing in younger ones.

    And they've got some good ones. Dhawan's a quality batsman. I don't care how bad Australia's batting is, their bowling's good, and Dhawan made it look ordinary. They have the likes of Kohli and Pujara almost making you forget that this is a side that's lost VVS Laxman and Rahul Dravid in the last few years.

    I'm curious to see how Kumar goes in more seam-friendly conditions than he's had so far in his Test career. He has tours to South Africa and New Zealand coming up, so I won't have to wait too long to find out.

    Obviously I do believe India are behind England at the moment, based on the Tests they've recently played against each other, but India tour South Africa later on this year (at the same time as the Ashes; which to watch?!) and that will give us a real gauge. South Africa are the benchmark for everyone else.

  • JG2704 on July 24, 2013, 20:28 GMT

    @Dhumper on (July 24, 2013, 4:23 GMT) I think you have to take into consideration the opposition played etc and I think India have only lost to the other top 4 sides in recent years. Unfortunately India and Pakistan don't play tests against each other these days and Pakistan's away form (provided we say UAE is their home) has not been too smart in recent years. I'm certainly not saying Pakistan aren't capable of being number 2 but right now it's a 3 team (becoming 2) way battle for the spot and Pakistan have to play/beat better sides more often

    HZO and Cric-J have been more thorough in their reasoning

  • Shan156 on July 24, 2013, 20:06 GMT

    @Dhumper, JG2704, cric_J, H_Z_O, and fguy have said whatever I wanted to say. As cric_J correctly points out, even with poor bowlers, you stand a chance to draw a game if you have good batsmen. In addition, with good batsmen you also have the option to post big scores and apply scoreboard pressure on the opposition even with mediocre bowlers. That pressure can do a lot of things. Take SA's last 2 tours to India for instance - both the times they easily won the first encounter only to succumb to scoreboard pressure in the last test and come back only with a share of the spoils. The last time, Indian batsmen posted a 600+ score in Kolkata and then even with their ordinary bowlers they managed to tame the mighty SA batting line-up. When was the last time Pak. scored 500 in an innings?

    Bottomline is this - Pak. are in no better position than India to challenge SA for the #1 crown.

  • fguy on July 24, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    @Dhumper first you quote some stats to show India are poor then you say India are only superior bcoz of some stats?? against SA, let alone win a single game, Pak didnt even put up a fight & they're "competing" against them for the top spot? whereas last time India was there (not too long ago - '10/11) they played against pretty much the same side & came away with a very credible 1-1 result. even the 3rd match was a closely fought match with India on top till a very good Kallis innings & then a Gambhir/SRT partnership led to a draw. you mention a win in a 3 match odi bilateral series where Pak won by the grand margin of 1 match but dismiss a ICC world tournament played in a neutral country where India beat all teams that they played against unlike Pak who didnt even win 1 game. As Aus are showing just having a bowling attack isnt enough you need batsmen too. by current form in tests SA are by far the #1. Eng are easily #2. then its between Aus & India (both strong at home but not away)

  • H_Z_O on July 24, 2013, 9:36 GMT

    Pakistan's record in the last 10 Tests is not 6-4. You can't count draws as wins. The record is 4 won, 4 lost, 2 draws. That includes a home series against England and a trip to Bangladesh. Away to Sri Lanka, Pakistan lost. Away to South Africa, Pakistan lost. Their away record over the last 5 years stands at 3 series wins, 2 series draws and 5 series defeats.

    South Africa are undefeated in away series in the last 5 years. They've won 6 series and drawn one. England's away record in the last 5 years stands at 3 series wins, 3 series draws and 2 series defeats. Even India's away record is better than Pakistan over the same period; 3 series wins, 2 series draws (in Sri Lanka and South Africa, where Pakistan have lost their most recent tours) and 3 series defeats.

    And why look at India's stats "besides Ind-Aus series" yet include the Pak-Eng one? Both are home series against sides that don't play spin well. India's true record in their last 10 Tests is 7 won, 2 lost, 1 draw.

  • cric_J on July 24, 2013, 6:48 GMT

    (cont) But India do have greater chances of being no. 3 than Pakistan because they have better batsmen and eventhough Pak have better bowlers.

    Pakistan lost 3-0 to SA despite bowling decently. I expect India to do better than that atleast , a 2-0 loss maybe , just by BATTING better and even if they bowl poorly as usual.

    It could be a highly unlikely 2-1 or 1-0 loss as well but they will have to actually BAT really well for that , the way they did the last time they toured SA.

  • garibaldi on July 22, 2013, 12:11 GMT

    The danger for England here is that they have not played their best, and they mustn't rest on their laurels and ignore problems. Although the margin of victory was huge, the performance of 1-4 in this series so far is a worry: Cook the run machine hasn't quite turned up, and although Root was magnificent, he did look vulnerable against the moving ball, and it remains the case that the opening partnerships have been disappointing. If England address these issues then they will be in very good shape; if not, they could be at risk of a cornered tiger fight back. Well done to the selectors for going with Bresnan- he showed some of his old quality again.

  • borninthetimeofSRT on July 21, 2013, 19:28 GMT

    During the Pre-Ashes build up, Aussies were found talking the most about this test series. The entire Aussie club, including the players, experts, commentators, veterans, everybody for that matter was talking about the Ashes even before the start of India - Aus series. I remember Sunil Gavaskar once mentioned during the India - Aus series that the Aussies need to concentrate on what is in front of them and should worry about the Ashes later. To me it seems that Australia have over prepared for this series. And there's no point playing when there's no contest. Just don't play for the sake of tradition, because the tradition deserves better. Aussies need to get the Ashes monkey off their back, forget about the old rivalry and must try to become better players, and get better at the game. The rest of the world did while the Aussies ruled, now its their turn.

  • on July 21, 2013, 13:25 GMT

    I wonder if the emphasis on T20 during Australia's domestic season, is a reason for the decline in temperament and technique amongst Australia's batsmen. For the last couple of seasons the Big Bash competition goes on for a couple of months mid season. It seems illogical to play so much domestic T20, compared to how much is played internationally. Aussie batsmen too often, look impatient, ill prepared and unable to mentally apply themselves for extended periods, sympotomatic of the shortest form of the game I'd suggest.

  • Dhumper on July 25, 2013, 20:35 GMT

    @HZO and Fguy: As I mentioned earlier, I don't go by stats alone as it doesn't tell the whole story - but if you really insist, I dug up stats from summer of 2011 till today. Not counting draws, India 10 wins 10 losses, Pak 8 wins 5 losses. So even by stats Pak have better win ratio! (and remember UAE is not even real 'home')

    @cric-J India got hammered 8-0 because of batting failures combined with poor bowling. To my earlier comment - bowlers win test games combined with even average batting. Average bowling and good batting will get you draws but getting 20 wickets won't be easily possible. No doubt India is recovering but it will be a while before they get their bowling act together to string along good batting and beat teams like SA. Pak bowlers can do that in UAE if their batsmen put a decent score. That's why I say we are in a much better position to challenge them. Eng seems to have learned to play spin so they are up there too with their all around bowling attack.

  • H_Z_O on July 25, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    Also worth pointing out that India's team is, like Australia's, in transition. They are in the process of discarding the older players and bringing in younger ones.

    And they've got some good ones. Dhawan's a quality batsman. I don't care how bad Australia's batting is, their bowling's good, and Dhawan made it look ordinary. They have the likes of Kohli and Pujara almost making you forget that this is a side that's lost VVS Laxman and Rahul Dravid in the last few years.

    I'm curious to see how Kumar goes in more seam-friendly conditions than he's had so far in his Test career. He has tours to South Africa and New Zealand coming up, so I won't have to wait too long to find out.

    Obviously I do believe India are behind England at the moment, based on the Tests they've recently played against each other, but India tour South Africa later on this year (at the same time as the Ashes; which to watch?!) and that will give us a real gauge. South Africa are the benchmark for everyone else.

  • JG2704 on July 24, 2013, 20:28 GMT

    @Dhumper on (July 24, 2013, 4:23 GMT) I think you have to take into consideration the opposition played etc and I think India have only lost to the other top 4 sides in recent years. Unfortunately India and Pakistan don't play tests against each other these days and Pakistan's away form (provided we say UAE is their home) has not been too smart in recent years. I'm certainly not saying Pakistan aren't capable of being number 2 but right now it's a 3 team (becoming 2) way battle for the spot and Pakistan have to play/beat better sides more often

    HZO and Cric-J have been more thorough in their reasoning

  • Shan156 on July 24, 2013, 20:06 GMT

    @Dhumper, JG2704, cric_J, H_Z_O, and fguy have said whatever I wanted to say. As cric_J correctly points out, even with poor bowlers, you stand a chance to draw a game if you have good batsmen. In addition, with good batsmen you also have the option to post big scores and apply scoreboard pressure on the opposition even with mediocre bowlers. That pressure can do a lot of things. Take SA's last 2 tours to India for instance - both the times they easily won the first encounter only to succumb to scoreboard pressure in the last test and come back only with a share of the spoils. The last time, Indian batsmen posted a 600+ score in Kolkata and then even with their ordinary bowlers they managed to tame the mighty SA batting line-up. When was the last time Pak. scored 500 in an innings?

    Bottomline is this - Pak. are in no better position than India to challenge SA for the #1 crown.

  • fguy on July 24, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    @Dhumper first you quote some stats to show India are poor then you say India are only superior bcoz of some stats?? against SA, let alone win a single game, Pak didnt even put up a fight & they're "competing" against them for the top spot? whereas last time India was there (not too long ago - '10/11) they played against pretty much the same side & came away with a very credible 1-1 result. even the 3rd match was a closely fought match with India on top till a very good Kallis innings & then a Gambhir/SRT partnership led to a draw. you mention a win in a 3 match odi bilateral series where Pak won by the grand margin of 1 match but dismiss a ICC world tournament played in a neutral country where India beat all teams that they played against unlike Pak who didnt even win 1 game. As Aus are showing just having a bowling attack isnt enough you need batsmen too. by current form in tests SA are by far the #1. Eng are easily #2. then its between Aus & India (both strong at home but not away)

  • H_Z_O on July 24, 2013, 9:36 GMT

    Pakistan's record in the last 10 Tests is not 6-4. You can't count draws as wins. The record is 4 won, 4 lost, 2 draws. That includes a home series against England and a trip to Bangladesh. Away to Sri Lanka, Pakistan lost. Away to South Africa, Pakistan lost. Their away record over the last 5 years stands at 3 series wins, 2 series draws and 5 series defeats.

    South Africa are undefeated in away series in the last 5 years. They've won 6 series and drawn one. England's away record in the last 5 years stands at 3 series wins, 3 series draws and 2 series defeats. Even India's away record is better than Pakistan over the same period; 3 series wins, 2 series draws (in Sri Lanka and South Africa, where Pakistan have lost their most recent tours) and 3 series defeats.

    And why look at India's stats "besides Ind-Aus series" yet include the Pak-Eng one? Both are home series against sides that don't play spin well. India's true record in their last 10 Tests is 7 won, 2 lost, 1 draw.

  • cric_J on July 24, 2013, 6:48 GMT

    (cont) But India do have greater chances of being no. 3 than Pakistan because they have better batsmen and eventhough Pak have better bowlers.

    Pakistan lost 3-0 to SA despite bowling decently. I expect India to do better than that atleast , a 2-0 loss maybe , just by BATTING better and even if they bowl poorly as usual.

    It could be a highly unlikely 2-1 or 1-0 loss as well but they will have to actually BAT really well for that , the way they did the last time they toured SA.

  • cric_J on July 24, 2013, 6:35 GMT

    (cont...) Agreed that India were poor with the ball throughout their 8-0 away losing record and while losing 2-1 to England at home. But the biggest reason why they lost was because they batted poorly , pathetically. I can bet that had they just batted better in those matches even with that sort of poor bowling they would have atleast drawn 2-3 of those 8 losses.

    India have never been known to have a strong bowling side but have still done well barring the 8-0 loss and the 2-1 to England. Before that they did well overseas in SA and Eng as well even when they didn't have top quality bowlers.

    Take England in UAE. They bowled extremely well and shot out Pakistan for meagre totals a couple of times , but what happened ? They lost ! Due to poor batting.

    Pakistan , IMO is far from getting to no. 3 , let alone getting to no.1. SA clearly have the best side except for a good spinner. England are the next most balanced side. All other sides are poor in 1 of the 2 areas. (cont)

  • cric_J on July 24, 2013, 6:18 GMT

    @Dhumper : " Bowlers win you tests and batsmen win you ODIs ". And I thought the entire team had to do well to win any game of cricket !

    Had things been the way you say then Australia, who have a decent bowling lineup would surely not have ended up losing 6 tests in a row ! We saw that even after having England in trouble by picking up early wickets , Australia still lost both the matches. That is they bowled well , but still lost because of poor batting.

    A team with good bowlers and poor batsmen (like Pak , NZ and Aus ) is likely to lose far more matches than a team with good batsmen and poor bowlers (like India) and the rankings show that. If you have good batsman and poor bowlers , you have a decent chance of getting draws atleast. While if you have poor batsmen , even draws would be difficult to get. The fact that India got to no. 1 in tests despite not having very good bowlers and Pakistan didn't despite having them , proves this.

    (cont...)

  • Dhumper on July 24, 2013, 4:23 GMT

    @JG2704 - If you talk stats India's record in last 2 years is 4-4 besides Ind-Aus series. I don't think that deserves a 2nd rank

    @Shan156 - Why I think Pak is better than India or some other teams in Test - again Pak is 6-4 in last 10 test matches including SA series!! Besides I have nothing against India but remember Bowlers win Tests and Batsmen win ODIs. India's joke of a bowling attack can't win games outside India. And Eng proved they can be beaten even at home! Pak has a world class bowling capable of dismantling any test line up.

    We can keep on going but the bottom line - in my opinion rankings are screwed. For now only Pak and Eng can challenge SA's dominance.

  • JG2704 on July 23, 2013, 20:51 GMT

    @Dhumper on (July 23, 2013, 9:21 GMT) India are deservedly number 2. You're right in that Australia seem to be in turmoil right now and I'm guessing that if Eng do get the whitewash they'll go ahead of India. But having said that before the Ind/Aus series - India had just come off their 1st home series defeat in a number of years whereas while Aus were also coming off a home defeat , Aus were on top in 2 of the 3 tests against number 1 side SA

  • Shan156 on July 23, 2013, 17:42 GMT

    @5wombats, @Shaggy076, the ICC rankings have India ahead of both Eng. and Aus. It may be odd that India are ranked ahead of Eng. despite losing both home and away but it is also a fact that they beat a higher ranked team (before that series) 4-0 while Eng. failed to beat #8 NZ away. It is also true that India's home record is terrific, before the Eng. series they had only drawn against SA and defeated everyone else. No other team, including SA (who drew against Ind, Eng, and Aus), have that kind of record. Their away record before the two whitewashes was good too - wins in WI, NZ, and Eng and draw against SA. My reply was to @Dhumper who thinks that Pak. is a top team even though their only significant win of late was against an Eng. team totally clueless at playing spin on those pitches. They were hopelessly outclassed by SA while Ind. gave them a tough fight last time. With new talents like Dhawan and Jadeja, and well led by Ashwin, I think India are on the rise.

  • H_Z_O on July 23, 2013, 10:33 GMT

    @jmcilhinney sorry, I should have been clearer. I originally wrote that I didn't see a mark for Hughes (and I honestly didn't, but others, including some Aussie fans, did) but the character limit kicked in.

    At least I think that's what happened because I'm sure I wrote that I didn't see the mark, rather than there wasn't one. Oh well.

    I definitely saw the mark for Smith. And yeah, my TV's not the best. That said I still don't think the Third Umpire needs HotSpot to confirm an on-field nick.

    I strongly believe that the on-field umpire's decision should only be overturned if it is conclusively clear he got it wrong. If the batsman's given out caught, you need to have no noise, no HotSpot AND no deviation. Any one is sufficient to uphold. And if the umpire gives it not-out, the lack of any one of those is enough to uphold.

    For Agar no HotSpot should have been enough. For Smith and Hughes, noise alone would have been enough. I also think in Agar's case the deviation was off the pitch.

  • Dhumper on July 23, 2013, 9:21 GMT

    @Shan156: Rankings only tell a partial story my friend - specially in India's case playing a lot more home games against weak opponents or recent win against Australia - we all know where Aus stands these days! India played 30 while Pak only 19 games so can't compare. Now come to results, India got beaten 4-0 by Aus (by current team), 4-0 by England and then 2-1 at home! Meanwhile Pak's only bad loss is none against best team SA and that too at their home. A recent champions trophy win proves nothing to me for form - its Test we are talking not ODI's (Although I have huge admiration for Dhoni - such a great ODI cricketer) But again Pak went to India very recently and beat them at home ODI series!! India is superior? Perhaps by some stats and their own crowd - the world thinks differently. Pak have a world class bowling attack just like SA. Our batting might be shaky but when it comes to Test it's decent enough to put runs on the board specially in sub continent or ME. Let's bring SA!

  • 5wombats on July 23, 2013, 9:13 GMT

    @Shan156 - I don't think India are that great atm. Sure - they just washed Australia - but that only balances the wash that Australia put on India in Aus. I reckon India and Australia are about the same. India are poor away from home, but England are not - we beat Australia in Australia and India in India, drew in South Africa. That's pretty decent. England whitewashed India in 2011 and I can see Australia getting whitewashed here in 2013. If (when) England go 3-0 up in this Ashes series England will go back above India in the rankings. With England just having beaten India in India it's a statistical oddity that somehow India are currently above England. But that won't be for long. And as well as that - India are back here next year. We'll be able to see if they are any better than they were in 2011....

  • Shaggy076 on July 23, 2013, 7:18 GMT

    Yorkshirr Pudding, I would very much doubt Robson is even considered unless he plays in the shield. Very hard togo on countyy averages refer Rogers. Not convinced county form is all that exceptional take out the main English bowlers and you will find there are a lot of average ones running around including Australians that have never threatened the high level ie Magoffin, Hogan .

  • Shaggy076 on July 23, 2013, 7:08 GMT

    Shan156; Really can't understand your logic- India just levelled the away result against Australia so really can't understand why they would be in front odd Australia. It's quite clearly South Africa #1. England #2. 3 is up for grabs.

  • Shan156 on July 23, 2013, 5:32 GMT

    @Dhumper, the top 3 test teams are SA, India, and England as per the ICC rankings and recent form. India are a way superior team to Pakistan. Perhaps Pak. have slightly better bowlers but India have way better batsmen. What did Pak. do other than beat Eng. in UAE? India also beat Aus. 4-0 at home and are ranked #2 only behind SA. Indian batsmen can handle Pak. bowlers but pathetic Pak. batsmen cannot handle Indian bowlers. So, it is likely that India will beat Pak. both home and in the UAE.

  • Dhumper on July 23, 2013, 5:19 GMT

    Congrats England. So the fight for top spot is going to be between 3 teams for the time being. i.e my boys in green Pakistan, Eng and ofcourse best team SA. The rest would be playing catch up including SriL, India, Aus and WI. Next most exciting series is in Oct between Pak and SA!

  • cric_J on July 23, 2013, 4:26 GMT

    @Shan156 : Yeah , I know. It really irritates me when people start judging the players merely by looking at the scorecard and without watching even 1 hour of the actual play. Bowlers are worse affected. Just because Broad didn't get a five for doesn't mean he bowled poorly and should be thrown out. That's not how it works and most people here don't understand that.

    A lot was being said about Swann after TB but he came up with 9 wkts at Lord's. I really want and expect Broad to do the same. Winning the Ashes just won't feel complete if we don't have a BROADly freak spell of bowling.

    And yeah, @Electric_loco needed that. Australia the best bowling attack in the world ? Looks like @RandyOz ,@Jonesy2 and @Lyndon Mcpaul have some serious company !!

    BTW, WHERE is @Lyndon McPaul ? I had a pact of sorts with him that I won't look away when the Aussie pace battery tears through the England lineup and he wouldn't disappear if that didn't happen. Seems that someone just broke the pact !!

  • jmcilhinney on July 23, 2013, 2:37 GMT

    @H_Z_O on (July 22, 2013, 19:46 GMT), agree with most of what you say there except that there WAS a mark on Phil Hughes bat that appeared on HotSpot. I think that one perceived issue with HotSpot seems to be a result of people watching coverage on poor TVs or monitors. A lot of people were claiming that there wasn't a mark on HotSpot for Smith in the second innings at Lords as well, even the TMS commentators apparently, but there clearly was, just as there clearly was for Hughes here and Haddin and Clarke at Trent Bridge. If there's a problem with technology it seems to be the technology used by the viewers. The only times in this series where someone has been out caught off an edge that did not show up on HotSpot are Root at Trent Bridge, who didn't review anyway, and Agar here, who was wrongly given out by the third umpire in my opinion. Everyone else has been rightly given out based on the evidence, which includes both audio AND HotSpot.

  • Shan156 on July 23, 2013, 1:50 GMT

    @jmcilhinney, glad to see Bresnan perform well although I still think Finn offers a lot more. Bresnan is a honest seamer but I don't see him running through sides. Finn strikes more often and while he does go for runs sometimes, he is a genuine wicket taker. Also, while Bresnan was just OK in this test, it did not look like he was back to his 2010-2011 form.

  • thebrotherswaugh on July 23, 2013, 1:43 GMT

    @SSChicago - Make no mistake, for any Aussie cricket fan, the Ashes are the pinnacle event in Test cricket, no matter the strengths of each side, results, and so on. After the last series loss in OZ, we had the Argus Review, which took 7 months to compile, and led to the demise of the coach and selectors. But no changes were made t5o the Board, and the 'Teflon Kid' aka James Sutherland was the CEO all through that tumultuous period, and he still remains at the helm. During this period, the establishment kept harping on about rebuilding, about peaking for the next Ashes series. That was why they stuck with Ponting and Hussey, both of whom retired shortly before the series. What about the appalling lack of decent domestic batsmen? What about the constant rotation / non-selection of spinners. Nathan Lyon must be utterly confused and shells-hocked by his treatment at the hands of the ACB. Now the hour has cometh, and we are lambs to the slaughter. Wonder what they'll call the next report?

  • Shan156 on July 23, 2013, 1:37 GMT

    @cric_J, good points about Broad and good reply to electric_loco. Re: Broad, as you said, he could have bowled worse and picked up 5 wickets on another day. He bowled really well and picked up the key wicket of Michael Clarke. In the 2nd innings, he had Clarke in a lot of trouble but went wicketless. It is just one of those games. I back Broad to pick up a lot more wickets in the next few tests.

  • James_Murphy on July 23, 2013, 1:30 GMT

    @Shaggy yes age is on Lyon's side but he won't learn. Being mentored by John Davison is doing nothing for the kid. He bowled on dustbowls on India and didn't threaten until the last game. Bowling every ball at high pace with no flight or spin is useless to anything. Hopefully Lehmann tells him to flight the ball. He should be in the side. England have a long standing proven weakness against legspin, and Ahmed could be an x factor. We need to win the series not have credible losses where Lyon bowls 'containing' spells. In regards to Rogers we can stick with him if we want, however i would back in Warner every time to get more runs than him. Warner has two potential Ashes series more in England and thi experience could be very important for him. After the Sri Lankan series in January you would say Australia's best batsmen in order would have been 1. Clarke, 2. Warner, distant 3rd Watson. Rogers whilst he may grind it out has maybe one year left in him.

  • Shan156 on July 23, 2013, 1:30 GMT

    @Joseph Langford, I am going to hazard a guess and say that it is the 10th wicket partnership. Don't say it is because then the Aussies are well and truly stuffed.

  • H_Z_O on July 22, 2013, 19:51 GMT

    @JG2704 on (July 22, 2013, 8:01 GMT)

    "It's like any piece of equipment if not used properly"

    I was going to make a joke about cricket bats and the Australians not using theirs properly, but decided better of it ;).

    The technology's not perfect (I for one would like to see Snick-o used) but it's a lot better than the Third Umpires in this series have made it look. It's as if the umpires either don't know the proper protocol or make it up as they go along.

  • H_Z_O on July 22, 2013, 19:46 GMT

    @palavadisuresh on (July 22, 2013, 1:14 GMT)

    I agree with you, Hotspot is a worse technology than HawkEye. Of course, you most likely think HawkEye is unreliable whereas I do not. There's a margin of error, but it is accounted for within the DRS system.

    The inconsistent results with Hotspot were umpire error, not the system. There's no mark on Agar's bat, so he should have been given not-out (because the on-field call was not-out). Hughes had no mark but there was a noise, and the on-field umpire's decision was out.

    And if we want to talk about inconsistency, what about Bell's stumping in the final of the Champions Trophy? No different to the Agar one in the last Test. And that's not a DRS issue; as far as I know the BCCI still allows the umpires to ask the Third Umpire regarding stumpings and run-outs, even if they don't use the DRS.

    As I've said before, this is an issue of inconsistent (and sometimes poor) umpiring.

  • cric_J on July 22, 2013, 17:40 GMT

    @Bhavesh Buch : So why is Broad in the team ? Well, I'll answer that for you.

    Firstly, I'm sure you didn't watch him bowl and just went through the scorecard , saw that he got only 1 wkt in the match and assumed that he bowled poorly. Well, my sir, you are sadly mistaken in that case.

    IMO he actually looked the best of the England bowlers in the first inngs. He swung it well , beat the bat a no. of times ,used the seam well, dried up the runs and made the batsman uncomfortable. He was unlucky to have a few missed chances. And yeah , he is a wonderful batsman when he wants to be, as he showed at Trent bridge as well as at Lord's.

    And most importantly, Stuart Broad is a match winner bowler. When he bowls well and gets one of his freak spells, the opposition looks flabbergasted. He got one recently against NZ at Lord's where he took 7 wkts and NZ were 25/5 at one point.

    I expect him to get another one of those unplayable spells in this series sooner or later and then we shall talk.

  • cric_J on July 22, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    @electric_loco_WAP4 : So, Australia are the best bowling attack in the world. Really ? Then why weren't they able to bowl out England for under 150 , something that the "average " England bowling attack managed quite easily and almost twice if not for a last wkt stand ? And before you say that they did have England in trouble at 30/3 , let me tell you that just that is not enough to be the "best".

    India got England under 200 , Pakistan did, NZ did and I don't even need to mention how good SA are. So why not the "best attack"?

    Presently, Australia are an above average attack at best. They should be really good in 2-3 years or so but not just yet.

    IMO SA have the best attack for non sub continent pitches with 2 of the best 3 seam bowlers in the world in Dale and Phil, the third being Jimmy. Their only weakness is lack of a quality spinner which might just be exposed in the sub continent. England have the second best attack. Australia could be third at best, although I rate NZ higher.

  • on July 22, 2013, 13:48 GMT

    OK everyone ..... if you want to know how ultra-stuffed Australia's batting line up is at the moment, answer one simple question ..... in 2013 which wicket partnership currently produces the highest average number of runs??

    It is more than 7-runs higher than the next ranked wicket partnership and twice the average number of runs generated by the 3rd Wicket Partnership.

  • on July 22, 2013, 13:37 GMT

    @ SirViv1973 .... I think that we should be realistic. Australia has two options.

    1) Concede Defeat

    Drop Watson, Rogers, Hughes, Haddin.

    I would have Cowan and Wade back, Doolan gets a cap and we stick with this batting line up until the end of the Australian summer

    2) Play to Win the Ashes.

    Select Team with five bowlers drop Hughes. You play unrelenting attack.

    If you go pace select Wade as Keeper, if spin you take Haddin.

    If Australia wins we stick with the team ... if not we revert to Plan 1.

  • volmitius on July 22, 2013, 13:21 GMT

    phew... hard to think of time when did last i last see australia goin through such a rough phase. it all started at chennai, india and the scoreline hasnt changed for aussies even once since then. there is no way now for them to come out of this mess and the best they can do is to bring some changes in playing XI and bring back the more experienced lyon in place of agar.... for sure if they are to save some face in the remaining 3 tests.

  • jmcilhinney on July 22, 2013, 13:04 GMT

    I think that it's worth mentioning Tim Bresnan's contribution to this game also. He's copped a fair bit of criticism for a while and there were some Australians before this game saying thanks to England for selecting him. Well, you're welcome. He was as well-performed as any England seamer in this game and it doesn't matter whether the opposition fear him if he can keep them quiet and get them out as well as score a few runs. It's quite true that Bresnan did have a run of poor performances but that really wasn't his fault. I can understand non-England fans taking that at face value but I can't believe the number of England fans who didn't understand that he was below par because he was injured. It's really England's fault for picking him when he wasn't fit. Now that he has had a second elbow surgery to correct the issues created by the first and got some overs under his belt, he seems to be back to close to his best. he will continue to perform well.

  • hnlns on July 22, 2013, 12:48 GMT

    This is the kind of drubbing that Aussies have become used to now, everything seems to be going wrong for this team after the departure of a bunch of proven performers and great cricketers from the team in the last 2-3 years. Until and unless Michael Clarke leads from the front by scoring big runs, can't see this team winning even 1 of the remaining tests in the Ashes. England must be fancying a clean sweep already by now. For Aussies, this might be similar to what India faced a couple years ago in Australia and England - 100% loss record.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 22, 2013, 12:19 GMT

    @Shaggy076, I was in the 2010/11 ashes in the 4th test at the MCG wasnt it that Katich injured, as he didnt play at the SCG from memory.

    But if hes 38 then he wont be on the radar, I'm suprised they went for Rodgers because of his age, rather than someone like Sam Robson at Middlesex, who's averaging 45 and playing here under EU rules as he has dual citizenship via his mum.

  • SirViv1973 on July 22, 2013, 12:03 GMT

    @Antselector, I think you need to be realistic. Bringing in some1 like Shaun Marsh who has struggled to make any runs in the longer format for 2 yrs is not going to transform the batting lineup. In terms of D Hussey, how many players without test experience in their mid 30s can Aus have in the top 6? Aus already has Rogers, who's selection was welcomed by the vast majorty of fans. At some point you have to put your faith in younger players no matter how embarrasing things get, otherwise things will just continue to get worst for a longer period of time. As for Warner, I expect him to play at OT however you have to remmember his form has been poor this year, and although he may score more runs than some of those currently batting in the top 6 he is not good enough to come in a transform the way the entire top 6 bat. Aus batting will only improve over time there really are no glaring ommissions from the current squad & bringing players like SM & DH is just clutching at straws.

  • ddmumbaiindian on July 22, 2013, 11:40 GMT

    I dont understand what is plan of CA in bringing Haddin back and getting Rogers as opener in important series like this? Both of them are 34+ and not many years left in them to play. Anywhich ways with the likes of Hughes and Smiths Aus cant dream of beating Eng anywhere in world let alone in England's own back yard. They should flush in young blood like Marsh, Wade etc; with that atleast those youngsters will get some experience of playing under pressure. Even though they lose series, they can use experience to use in future. What is point of losing with people who will retire in near future! Absolute mess in Oz cricketing world. They have completely lost focus.

  • Shaggy076 on July 22, 2013, 11:37 GMT

    Yorkshire Pudding; Katich never really got dropped he first got injured and missed several tests. The selectors then decided he Gusset and Ponting are all the same age and they didn't want another Hayden, Langer and M Waugh situation with all players retiring at the same time. Made sense to me.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 22, 2013, 10:58 GMT

    @Shaggy076, I honestly thought Katich was 34/35, I didnt realise he was 38, and with him playing FC circket for Lancs I assumed he hadnt retired. So I stand corrected.

  • CountKeelo on July 22, 2013, 10:31 GMT

    If England win, there is a problem (" they don't play that well and are willing only because of weak opponents, umpiring decisions, 'foreign' players etc, 'true test is against SA in SA') ; If they don't, there is a problem ( 'we all know they don't play well', 'weak against spin', 'bare cupboards, closets', 'arrogant team' , etc )

    May I suggest to the naysayers to sit back and see how the English teams of the last few years have rebuilt and fared ( not just from Ashes 2005 and but probably from circa 2000 ) ? Shows how one doesn't need a team of ( or even a few ) prodigies ( there have been just one or two in this period and not have always had a big contribution) to win : being disciplined, strategizing right and knowing one's priorities : yes, mostly that.

  • Stereo11 on July 22, 2013, 10:26 GMT

    I cant see us winning Tests till we get the selections right, The future of cricket is Chris Rogers and Brad Haddin?!, are you telling me there are no young openers/keepers in this country to blood in the squad? Rogers a proven performer in English conditions? Maybe , but not against Anderson and Swann he isnt. Again, get rid of some of the left handers!! Swann and co love bowling to them.

  • Shaggy076 on July 22, 2013, 10:22 GMT

    Hammond : That is why we should develop the younger player he has every chance of being as good as swann with the same cricket exposure.

  • Hammond on July 22, 2013, 10:08 GMT

    @Shaggy076- I don't think it matters which spinner you put on the park. They won't be as good as Swann and the Australian top order will still consistently fail.

  • vsroc on July 22, 2013, 10:03 GMT

    Posted by Venkat Sraman on (July 22,2013) It was a unique achievement for the England new opener Joe Root to score his wonderful knock of 180 runs after taking two valuable wickets of Australia at the right time.Thus,England secured a comfortable 2-0 lead in the Investec Ashes series.This was mainly possible due to relentless efficiency of England on the fourth day at Lords.

  • on July 22, 2013, 9:54 GMT

    Congratulations England! 2-0 unbeatable lead in Ashes. It would be best for the Australians to reverse the batting order as the present 9-10-11 are the best and have contributed the maximum for the Australian score. Australia has done this before on a wet wicket!!

  • Mitty2 on July 22, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    Well, what a disappointment. Hard to be optimistic isn't it? Credit to England, who have been said to be overrated and nowhere near the standard of the '10/'11 team (by me especially), but yet completely outplayed us here (although it wouldn't take much)

    Bird has to come in and based on performance, it's the disappointing Patto who has to come out. I will be infuriated if Starc comes in instead of Bird. Likewise with Watson - who most will know of my correct accusations of him being not only a shocking tesrt batsmen, but a figure that causes division and discontent - if he doesn't get dropped it will be an (yet another) indictment on Australian cricket. He has contributed nothing to this side for the past 3 years and when Clarke calls him a 'cancer', he is totally correct... All batsmen have made a halfcentury except Watson; he has no place in this side or the future. We have to persist with the young players Agar bowled well at TB, but looks sore and wary, bring in the deserving Lyon

  • WhoCaresAboutIPL on July 22, 2013, 9:47 GMT

    While I appreciate it is to some extent cause versus effect and that the tables can mislead, it is only necessary to look at the ICC Player Ratings to see why the contest appears to be unequal - England have 5 batsman and 4 bowlers (including Finn) in the world top 20, Australia have 1 batsman (the skipper - the next best is Warner at 38!) and 3 bowlers (1 of these Hilfenhaus who is not in the squad, Siddle and Harris) in the same list.

  • Shaggy076 on July 22, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    Yorkshire pudding; You could quite easily check the stats - Katich is almost 38, Rogers is 35. How is that younger? He retired from domestic first class cricket in Australia, if you want to play test cricket play shield cricket. It's pretty simple. Forget it Katich is unavailable for selection.

  • on July 22, 2013, 9:37 GMT

    Australia lose by 347 runs and go 2-Nil down. Gee, sacking Mickey Arthur worked a treat didn't it!

  • jmcilhinney on July 22, 2013, 9:36 GMT

    @James_Murphy on (July 22, 2013, 8:34 GMT), if you've lost patience with Rogers then you had no patience to begin with. He's only played 4 innings and scored a 50 in one of them. He got one marginal LBW go against him and got another dodgy one that he would have overturned on review if not for Watson. He's a proven performer in English conditions and has the temperament to knuckle down and grind out the long innings that Australia so desperately need. If the selectors don't keep him in for this whole series at least then they're fools.

  • Shaggy076 on July 22, 2013, 9:35 GMT

    James Murphy - You see it a step backwards to pick a 24 year old off spinner who has only played 2 1/2 Yeats of first class crickket rather than a 30 + leg spinner who was smashed around the park in England. I would like to know your logic behind that?

  • Kashi0127 on July 22, 2013, 9:14 GMT

    Some folks talking about Hodge etc. Give me a break! There are some folks who think cricket is just IPL!!! Of course its quite possible Shane Warne, Gilchrist and few others could perform better than the current bunch. But Australia need to look beyond winning this series

  • rohita25 on July 22, 2013, 9:13 GMT

    first of all congrutulations to team england.....present australian team dont have killing guts to make opponents down...shocked to see why nathan lyon kept out on this lords turning pitch....australian cricket should rethink about to bring back mike hussey in the team...battting is totaly flop show....present condition of australian team is the same wht it used to be of other team b4 2009

  • YorkshirePudding on July 22, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    @Shaggy076, I think CA need to do something for the Opening Partnership and Katich hasnt officially retired hes also younger than Chris Rodgers. I think with a couple of tweaks it could be a good batting line up, build around Clarke at 5.

    So You need 2 opening specialists that can bat time, Rodgers and Katich can do that they have a good technique to bat time, bring back Cowan at 3, Khawaja at 4, Clarke at 5, and Hughes at 6, Bring in Wade for Haddin (whose had a mare behind the stumps), and put smith in at 8, the rest of the bowling is Pattinson, Siddle and Harris/Bird/Lyon.

    You could drop Hughes and move Wade into 6 and have haddin as keeper, with the same bowlers. or if you want smith and 4 bowlers, then move wade/haddin to 6 and put smith at 7, with 4 bowlers, and bring back Lyon hes miles better than Agar.

  • Shaggy076 on July 22, 2013, 9:06 GMT

    James Murphy - You see it a step backwards to pick a 24 year old off spinner who has only played 2 1/2 Yeats of first class crickket rather than a 30 + leg spinner who was smashed around the park in England. I would like to know your logic behind that?

  • on July 22, 2013, 9:02 GMT

    Again as a passionate England supporter, I am as sad as many about the current decline of Australian Cricket. However it's like US Marine basic training, you have to be ground mercilessly into the ground before rebuilding and coming out the other side. The historic perspective is of course that the current English system is based on the Sport Australia model of developing upwards - funding the system well and providing all of the support needed. The money doesn't all go to the superstars but builds a pipeline. I'll be harsh - for TEST MATCH cricket's sake, the obsession with T20 mid season (BBL) must end. England maybe aren't giving multimillionare opportunities by allowing best players to burn out in Delhi, Chennai, etc in April / May but as yet it's not becoming a massive issue. We know Pietersen probably will retire after this year's Ashes in Australia and go off to the worldwide T20 circus - we'll thank him aand wish him well. Australia - the choice is yours, Tests or T20

  • on July 22, 2013, 8:55 GMT

    @ mycomments- As quoted by some MSD- Technique is overrated. You need the temperament and not the technique. All the international cricketers possess the minimum technique required since they have reached this far... you need the temperament.

    Rohit Sharma always had the technique, what he lacked was the temperament which he is slowly gaining.

  • h3nry on July 22, 2013, 8:39 GMT

    ***NEWS FLASH*** in the interests of more entertaining and competitive cricket the ECB and Cricket Australia have announced that the return Ashes series to be hosted by Australia in 2013-2014 will now be contested by England v New Zealand !!!!!

  • Shaggy076 on July 22, 2013, 8:36 GMT

    im getting sick of reading those coments from what appears to be sub continent cricket fans with your uninformed dribble. You keep putting up players who have done well in T20 or in there 4th decade of life. Katcih/Hodge are gone - retired finished give it up they are not even playing shield cricket. Marsh cant even get a gig for the 4 day team for WA until he can do that forget him. Truth is these are the best performing local batsman and like or not we have to stick with them.

  • James_Murphy on July 22, 2013, 8:34 GMT

    2nil down Australia need to do something drastic. England have proven a weakness against the leg spin. Bring in Fawad. He just took 8 wickets in Zimbabwe. Can't see Lyon doing anything more than a holding job. We don't need that. Bell and Root have proven gentle offspin is no threat to them. Batting? I have no idea. No real confidence in any of them. Voges has confidence, Hughes can't play spin, Warner has to play. Go on the attack. 1. Watson 2.Warner 3.Khawaja 4.Voges 5.Clarke 6.Smith 7.Haddin 8.Siddle 9. Harris 10.Bird 11.Fawad Ahmed. I've lost patience with Pattinson, Hughes and Rogers. Changes need to be made after that debacle. Bird gives the accuracy Pattinson can't and Ahmed the x factor. Smith and Voges also back up spin options and Watson back up paceman. If they opt for Lyon i see it as a step backwards not forwards.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 22, 2013, 8:30 GMT

    As an England follower for 25 years, and After 20 years of hurt and derision from the australians, fans and ex players (Rob Marsh, Lillie and others).

    I can safely state that I would rather win the Ashes while grinding the Australians in to the dirt than some tournament trophey that has little relevancy except to put a tick in a box.

    The only benefit of winning 5-0 here is to have Clarke give a Kim Hughes press conference at the end of the series where be breaks down in tears, however I suspect he would be persisted with during the return engagement unless.

  • Pavillionman on July 22, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    What Australia Need? 1. Opener who can Bat for more than two sessions (Watson & Warner cant last for an average of 3 hrs) 2. Solid Middle Order Bat who can play Spin & bottle up one end 3. Quality Wrist Spinner, who can keep the opposition guessing & unsettled 4. 2 In-form batsmen, to provide solidity to the line-up 5. Explosive keeper, to score those quick extra bonus runs towards the end of the innings 6. Handy No. 6- an effective All-rounder

    Look at the successful teams & you'll find the mix.India, England & SAF.

    Struggling teams- AUS, PAK, SRI

    Team getting there- WI

    The only thing that is saving the Aussie team is the Pace Bowling department.

  • antselector on July 22, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    I am surprised by the banter about the Australian bowlers and keeper. If we had a decent batting line-up the rest would look after themselves. I think it is time to cut our loses with Hughes, Cowan, Rogers and look for some more talent. Warner, Shaun Marsh, David Hussey could step in with experience and patience. I also think Watson at opener is part of our problem. He is a talent and gets runs quickly, but his lack of ability to go on with a big score also exposes a poor batting line up. He needs to think about the team and not himself, he is an all-rounder, and if he cant bowl, drop him. Here is my team- Warner, Marsh, Khawaja, Hussey, Clarke, Smith, Haddin, Watson, Siddle, Pattinson, Agar/Katihar. As for those who bag Clarke for wanting to bat at 5, he averages 64 over a long career at that position..... who cares if he likes batting at 5, let him. Darren Lehman, take the reigns and make some changes

  • A_Yorkshire_Lad on July 22, 2013, 8:20 GMT

    @RandyOz-this is the second (or maybe the third) time you've mentioned expensive tickets for Old Trafford , so how much HAVE you paid ? Did you have to buy them as part of an overall travel package only available through ' accredited ' travel operators , like we have to do if we want to see Ashes cricket in Australia ?

  • bobmartin on July 22, 2013, 8:04 GMT

    A whole host of ex-players... great names of the past, Waugh, Ponting, Gilshrist, etc.. were in the Oz changing rooms giving all sort of advice to this current team...Unfortunately advice is only of any use if you have the talent to accept and act on it.. This team apparently don't.

  • JG2704 on July 22, 2013, 8:01 GMT

    @ H_Z_O on (July 21, 2013, 23:57 GMT) Maybe Jimmy Hill should get the job. DRS could be the best system in the world but if the umpires are inconsistent in how they use it , it's made to look more flawed than it is. It's like any piece of equipment if not used properly

    @ palavadisuresh on (July 22, 2013, 1:14 GMT) You're not getting the point of this discussion. Whether or not Hotspot is the best or worst aid is not the point. The 3rd umpire is supposed to use/trust it and therefore if there is no mark on Hotspot he has nothing to go on to overturn the decision

  • JG2704 on July 22, 2013, 8:00 GMT

    I said before this test that much would depend on how Australia will react to the last game. Would they take positives from getting so close or would they be deflated after putting so much effort into the match and coming out on the wrong end of it? It seems like the latter and even in this game Aus had their moments and made a superb start. I must admit I expected Australia to give Eng a tough series and thought Aus were more likely to win the series than Eng win the series by whitewash , but it now looks that the latter is more likely as this looks to be an Aus side in turmoil. If I was Australia I'd definitely change the balance of the side and bring in another bowler for a batsman and although I love the way Agar plays the game , maybe bring in Lyon for him. I'm thinking Agar's knock may have been a one off and Lyon is surely the better bowler The player I'm most disappointed in is Rodgers.Due to his experience and form playing in Eng I thought he'd add some stability

  • my_comments on July 22, 2013, 7:59 GMT

    @ Vidyarth Tiwari - I dont think India has good technique batsman for test cricket, only kholi, pujara and rohit has good technique, all other will fall. like aus india is also unable to replace those greats dravid thendulka ganguly laxman

  • Pavillionman on July 22, 2013, 7:57 GMT

    Its completely understandable for a team to face lows when you've lost half a dozen great players in the space of 3-4 years. But i don't see any potential on the Aussie bench to fill in or fit into the team. I think there is a fundamental issue with Cricket Australia. The board has been arrogant, harsh & impulsive in their action. The real downfall of Australia started when Symonds was sacked during his prime. Look at the stats post his sacking, they've lost every major tournaments. I think they could've resorted to a warning, but instead they arrogantly sacked him thinking that White or some Flashy kid could fill in the spot. This truly broke the teams integrity & cohesiveness!!!

  • on July 22, 2013, 7:46 GMT

    England has prove that they r better side in test

  • my_comments on July 22, 2013, 7:45 GMT

    The problem with the aus is their batting and not their bowling although agar should be replaced by Lyon...

  • balajik1968 on July 22, 2013, 7:43 GMT

    Australia has panicked with its spinners. Hauritz was hammered by India in 2010 and was dropped like something redhot. Later, I read that he has lost his nip. Same happened to Nathan Lyon, Xavier Doherty, Michael Beer. Now a 19 year old with very little first class experience has been thrust in the middle. Clearly shows that the Aussie selection process has become muddled. Don't blame T20 for this, because apart from Watson and Steve Smith, the rest of the Aussies have played very little 20-20 cricket. Most of the cricketers here have matured long before the first IPL. It just shows that in the last 10 years or so, something has gone very wrong in Aussie cricket and the chickens are now coming home to roost.

  • my_comments on July 22, 2013, 7:40 GMT

    I completely agree with Anthony Dalton, i think not only Aus but also most of other countries are suffering becuz of T20 cricket, England is the least hampered becuz of t20 this is because their domestic cricket still play alot of longer day matches. we dont see young (age less than 22 years) batsman with good technique coming to the international arena from SL, Ind, Aus, SA and so on. even india does not have young batsman who have good technique. those who are playing good cricket are those who did not play t20 when they were schooling, kohli, pujara, rohit must not have played t20 cricjet when they were much youger, so they still have their techniques in tact. SL also suffer becuz after mahela and sanga they dont produce good batsman with good technique. this is the main reason that aus is unable to produce ponting, katch hussy and so on.

    I think t20 should be played like another sport altogether...

  • on July 22, 2013, 7:30 GMT

    No point criticizing Australia. They have ruled world cricket. They had to go through this sometime as those who value the test cap and are ready to take the pain to bring the best for their country are gone and the new ones are still to happen. This bunch is far ordinary, but then it is okay. This scarcity will find its way provided the hunt and the hunger is valued. I am dejected with the monotony of this much anticipated series..but I will take it as a cricket lover. This can happen to any country and any team. My own India didn't perform well for a long long time and we took it all no matter how distasteful it was. This is cricket..can bring you down massively, if you are not there and ready.

  • Hammond on July 22, 2013, 7:29 GMT

    @spot_on - what a silly argument, in cricket you can only judge your strength in relation to the strength of the opposition. Truth is, England are currently far superior to the best that Australia can put on the park. Seriously, some Australian supporters are starting to sound like the West Indies of the late 90's- living in a dream of previous glory. May as well say that the current England team would struggle against the Invincibles of 1948. What a desperate argument.

  • Hammond on July 22, 2013, 7:25 GMT

    @electric_loco_WAP4 - to be brutally honest, I don't think anyone in English cricket cares about any trophy but the little urn. And it appears that they will be holding onto it for a considerable period of time.

  • Dannynz on July 22, 2013, 7:19 GMT

    The Aussie cupboard looks bare, they need to replace at least one opener, Hughes is not good enough, Clarke has to step up and bat at 4 not hide at 5, Smith cannot hold a spot as a batsmen, Haddin's keeping has been average and 1st innings batting efforts poor. Needed 3 new batsmen, problem is there are not 3 decent Aussie batsmen waiting in the wings. Katihar, White and Warner, maybe David Hussey - really not much there. Bowling has been ok, Agar really is not up to it yet and they could do with a decent spinner or play another pace bowler rather than Agar. Time to beg Katich to play, Wade in for Haddin, White in for Smith, Warner in for Rodgers and Hussey in for Hughes. Ponting where are you?

  • Naresh28 on July 22, 2013, 7:17 GMT

    @brenton_chattin - AGREE with you. Thats exactly what happened to India when they last toured England for a test series. Bowlers are spending too much time trying to get the opp out and it results in injuries. India's policy was a four bowler policy which was not on. They have now recognised that you need 5 these days. England bowlers and batsman are combining well to make them unbeatable. I hope Oz find some sense and recall Michael Hussey and Ponting - these two will replace two youngsters quite easily.

  • on July 22, 2013, 7:11 GMT

    It all started with Simon Katich being dropped!

  • on July 22, 2013, 7:09 GMT

    Some interesting comments here. I am not surprised by the condition of Australia today in cricket. The Chunk of players that retired have the greatest impact, I cannot believe how Ponting and Co. never prepared for a larger bench strength. If you look at teams like India you will realize how easy the transformation was. The greats are gone but MSD has kept checking what was missing. Aus need to start from scratch, never thought of warner and watson to be in the long run and see they are down and out.

  • avilashi on July 22, 2013, 7:01 GMT

    something is horribly wrong with the Australian cricket.

  • Iceman29 on July 22, 2013, 6:59 GMT

    6-0 now and soon it will be 8-0 Aussies....

  • on July 22, 2013, 6:52 GMT

    Cook is more fortunate than a good skipper. Anyways victory is all matters. But amongst all these,, can someone tell,, what is Mr Broad doing in the team?? , If Bresnan can take wickets why cant he?? Broad has played more than 55 tests,,, he should be dropped,,,,His line and length was predictible,,,

  • on July 22, 2013, 6:51 GMT

    Lack of application, Lack of ownership seems to be Aussie way of Bailing out. Ponting, The Waugh Brothers, Mike Hussey, Warne, McGrath, Gillespie, to name a few were the pillars of the Great Australian team. But nowadays, drunken brawls, unwarranted comments against team members, and blaming the other teams for unsportsman like conduct seems to be the pillars of the Aussie team. Not to take anything from England, they played splendidly.. As Strauss said" the English team din't play 100% of their potential, but still won as the 100% was not required against this Aussie Performance" Guess the Aussie needs to work on Perform or Perish motto.. and not go by BRAND NAME or UNBRANDED NAMES.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on July 22, 2013, 6:51 GMT

    As much as Aus has the best pace attack in world , the catching at most times has been a big let off .Joe root is an e.g. He should've been out in single figs. at the start of his innings,had regulation snick behind been taken .Just as luck plays it's role in t20 , it's played it's part in tests here and he just made use of his luck and the huge lead and some tiring Aus bowlers as well.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on July 22, 2013, 6:46 GMT

    So many theories to Aus cricket's state now.The Shield ,Big Bash,IPL,coaching, coaches,Arthur,CA and what not.But just to get to the root of it all, with population just excess of 20 odd million and accounting for demograph like gender,age,health and fitness and sporting participaton ,the human resources ,i.e,- young males,boys and school,age group level just too depleted or even barren. 1 way Aus cricket can compete in this scenario is either 'import' some talent from foreign shores as esp. prominent team does - SA if you like?- OR as the Aussies find not most honorable thing to do get some1 play for them,'grow' em yourself! Yes,just like a food product company having most attractive package,but the product itself poor quality or worse unavailable making little practical, alone business sense.Find the food,plates,spoons be taken care of,not vice versa!So,all Aussies do nation a favor,start planting the 'seeds' now, watch em grow ,taste sweet fruits of your labour in few years !-:)

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on July 22, 2013, 6:38 GMT

    Talks of legacy again every time Eng win something for a change . Well ,just to put things into perspective - not even Eng cricket's p'pective here- how about last years thrashing by SA that brought them crashing down ? Just for a start ,Eng could avoid been thrashed badly every time by SA as in past few series . Of course ,they are far from no.1 as SA proved last year and languishing way below at no.3 ,below India. Add to a bare trophy cab, and they may by a miracle leave a legacy in Eng cricket -which is no big task- but remain 1 of bottom 50 teams in history , long way short of the true legacy of WI and Aus' teams past. It's true.

  • Malx on July 22, 2013, 6:37 GMT

    Praveen - Why would you bring back Katich & Hodge , their past it ! Haddin has to go too, he can't even see anymore. Hughes has no brains and Johnson is a complete waste of space. You have to invest in the future. Wade, Bird, Faulkner, Lyons , Warner etc.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on July 22, 2013, 6:34 GMT

    Deary me. That Oz top 6 batting line up looks weak and what a drop in quality from years gone by. It feels like not too long ago high quality batters like Darren Lehman couldnt actually get into the starting 11 because of the depth of batting.

    Smith, Henriques and Watson are not Test standard batsmen - not yet anyway. They are T20 / ODI / club players at best. Hughes seems to crumble with his technical faults as soon as you put him infront of any quality pace attack and Cowan is a passenger. Where has the all the Ozzie Talent gone?

    My mrs who is australian said that recently the Oz govn has cut a lot of govn funds for sport even from school level. Hence the drop of golds in the olympics and general domincation in sport.

  • spot_on on July 22, 2013, 6:33 GMT

    I, for once, would want the Poms to face a full strength opponent in their home rather than facing toothless sides like the current OZ and once-so-great-players filled Indian squad of 2011. Definitely this ain't the golden era of English cricket. It actually is the other teams stupidity which earn them victories. I could only imagine what players like Cook, Root, Bell, Trott, Bairstow would have done against the likes of McGrath,Gillespie,Lee,Bichel & Warnie .. one word, walking wickets!!!! no Venom in the current Oz bowling unit.

  • on July 22, 2013, 6:21 GMT

    So the Ashes history has come full circle & the aussies find thenmselves on the wrong end[though circle has'nt any end]. Not long ago, a semifit steve waugh hammered a century of hapless english , such was their domination. At that time, all d english contingent[players, commentators, fans, media] used 2 blab abt history, tradition of ashes despite repeated mauling by the aussies. the series result would b a forgone conclusion. Now d aussies r doing the same thing which english did-that is 2 blab abt hsitory rather than concentrate abt their game. they still r in denial mode that d english r playing better cricket than them. So rather than playing according 2 the conditions, they want 2 bully d english team. some reckless shot selection[watson playing across d line], some inept batsmen[hughes, cowan] & some impotent bowling r adding 2 their woes. i think d aussies should bring back johnson, warner, doherty. Englane meanwhile have maintained humility in their truimph unlike d aussies.

  • r.r.nathan on July 22, 2013, 6:18 GMT

    The top batsman of Australia now is Clark..WOW. Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Glichrist, Steve Waugh.... they all had to perform consistently to gain the name "top batsmen of Australia". Look now... In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is the king. Pathetic, only to blame the selectors who were sleeping in the glory of great team and forgot their job, when they opened there eyes.. only shadow left.

  • wnwn on July 22, 2013, 6:15 GMT

    It might be useful for Australia to pack the test team with good right handed batsmen to reduce the threat of Swann. He was less effect last year in the test series against Pakistan and South Africa which England lost 3-0 and 2-0. It seems the Australian left handers don't have a clue how to play him.

  • freddy83 on July 22, 2013, 6:09 GMT

    If Aussies need to at least draw a match they need M. Hussy, Katich and maybe even Ponting to come out of retirement. Even though Ponting may not bring much with the bat his presence will lift the spirits of the others. They definitely need Mike Hussy. Agar must have done wonders with the bat on debut but he hasn't made the mark with the bowl. Maybe he was injured or something, but they need a better spinner. Maybe Lyon or some other spinner who has variety.

  • spot_on on July 22, 2013, 6:06 GMT

    Learn from BCCI, ACB. Bring some worthy talent.. Current OZ squad will be beaten to dust even by Bangladesh..

  • on July 22, 2013, 6:00 GMT

    There is more than just physical performance in this current series, and the danger seems to be clear and present. While Lemann is dropped in the eye of the storm, it seems there would be major decisions made post the Ashes should the result head in the direction it currently seems to be going down. But Australian cricket has deviated far far from what we are used to experiencing, and it is high time someone does something about it.

  • 2020sux on July 22, 2013, 5:58 GMT

    Cricket Australia won't say it but we (Australia) are rebuilding and currently don't have the guns to compete with top sides at their best. England have kept us in the competition by underperforming. Good sides find ways to win, when Aus was at it's best we may have lost the odd session but we found ways to get on top, England now do the same. Take Clarke out of the Aus side (last summers form anyway) and this sides form looks abysmal and I really can't see many replacements who look better eg. Warner he simply can't make it back on his current form I don't know what games his fans are watching but I'm obviously missing them. We will be a great team again but I doubt anyone in this current team will be playing to see it.

  • KishoreMalladi on July 22, 2013, 5:36 GMT

    Kudos to England for some splendid cricket they have played. Cricket too has come a full circle. England did to Australia what Australia did to international teams, 10 years back - make them look clueless and hopeless. A team that had once won 16 test matches in a row has now lost 6 test matches in a row. Lack of quality batsmen, lack of quality bowling seems evident. In my opinion, Australia should get back Mitchell Johnson to strengthen their bowling attack. Warner can also be given a chance after some stern practice. Jackson Bird can also be given a game. It is all about regrouping, finding your mistakes and working towards it. I agree that hot spot and some decisions went the other way, but as a World Class team, you should be able to overcome that. Aus need to get that pressure tag of rivalry and prestige out and work on the basics. It is not impossible to come back in a series. But for now, it is England who are on top of the world with some splendid cricket. Congratulations.

  • cric_J on July 22, 2013, 5:34 GMT

    @JG2704: Totally agree with you regarding the MOM award. Bell did deserve it more than Joe. As you pointed out , he came in when England were in a real crisis in the first innings at 30 odd for 3 wkts and Harris was in the middle of a superb spell. It was an innings of real grit and character. And he got a fluent 74 (or so) in the second innings as well.

    I agree that it was a lovely knock by Joe and even he was under some pressure to deliver with Eng 30/3 in the 2nd inngs. But that pressure was much lesser compared to what Bell had to cope with as England already had a considerable lead.

  • Thyagu5432 on July 22, 2013, 5:28 GMT

    Ashes has been burnt. This is turning out to be one hell of a one-sided affair.

  • Iceman29 on July 22, 2013, 5:20 GMT

    @Anthony Dalton: Agree with you...Ind team faced this issue due to IPL and now the Aussies are facing it...the shorter format somehow corrupts the players mind..one has to be mentally very strong to change the batting style and thinking when he plays Test cricket...thats why most of the English batsmen are never opting for T20...the funny thing is when they dont play the shorter format they only win the Test matches and not the sorter version games...

  • thebrotherswaugh on July 22, 2013, 5:20 GMT

    Hughes is another perennial glutton with regards to DRS referrals - used two as a batsman, and both decisions were upheld, including the shocker in the 1st innings where he clearly hit the ball? Of course he knew he edged it, it was a fine one and he was playing the percentages, being ultra-selfish, and it well & truly backfired.

  • on July 22, 2013, 5:15 GMT

    i mean ,were the team of Gilchrists,pointongs ,langers ,waughs and mchgrats had gone ,who could think it is theres team , austriaila is impt. for ckt .because world ckt . need pace blower producing dominating ,ckt. nations like Aus ,wi and pak . But unfortunately ,all these my above favorote ckt. teams ,are in disarry , they should get up for the sake of ckt. and display there skillful and breataking cricket, cheeers from J & k....

  • on July 22, 2013, 5:13 GMT

    My team with line up : Watson, Katich, Clarke, Hughes, Hodge, Haddin, Johnson, Siddle, Starc, Harris & Lyon. This is the solution for this complicated & under performing Australian team and remaining Ashes success. Thank You...

  • on July 22, 2013, 5:11 GMT

    Instead of Agar, Lyon could have been a better option. Katich in for Rogers, Johnson in for Smith, Hodge or Wade in for Hughes & Starc in for Pattinson. Its high time to tell Watson to perform beyond 30's & 40's or make him sit. Australia playing with 5 openers with none scoring even a fifty!!! This is why modern day players dont want to play test cricket, no one has the patience, everyone wants to score quickly with high proportionate of boundaries. England's method is good by occupying the crease for big scores and totals. I dont understand one thing we have 50 over games & plenty of unwanted Twenty Twenty matches, being a cricket lover or a player why cant they play test matches showing some skills of patience & determination towards the game...contd

  • on July 22, 2013, 5:08 GMT

    To my opinion Australia is lacking some experienced players in the team. The void created by Ponting & Hussey is big. It will take time to settle and regroup. Having said that, I dont understand why players like Simon Katich, Brad Hodge, Nathan Lyon or Mitchell Johnson is not in the team? Apart from Lyon, the other three players are well experienced in international arena. Katich's form, Hodge's experience, Lyon is a front line spinner & Johnson's all round capability could have helped. Agar batted very well in Trent bridge but he seems not doing the job (remember he was picked as a specialist spinner). Clarke's experiment at times is baffling. Experiments are good when you are succeeding but it may backfire you if the opposite happens...contd

  • on July 22, 2013, 5:04 GMT

    There is absolutely disgusting batting line up in Australia.. I wonder on what parameters are the selectors naming the squad???????? Australia has lost its pride.. All others teams like Eng, Ind, pak, SL, WI, NZ will soon surpass Oz if it didn't act fast.. Give a shot to D Hussey,S Marsh, R Quiney or better recall some old players to save the glory and pride of the Aussies.. Neither Clarke nor the Coach are working on the batting line ups.. Very poor show..

    Come on Aussies..Do something, work hard play hard and bring home the Ashes..

  • on July 22, 2013, 5:04 GMT

    It's not just cricket that is in decline in Aus. All sports they are becoming farcical. Rugby - beaten by the lions at home. Olympics 2012 - did they win anything? Cricket - terrible. My question is what sparked this massive decline?Aus punched well above their weight in many sports and achieved greatness. Now they are a pathetic withering nation with no talent. I for one do not feel sorry for them. Years of arrogance and abuse have come back to haunt them. Good riddance from world sport!

  • cric_J on July 22, 2013, 5:02 GMT

    The Ashes seemed to be getting hotter after Trent Bridge. It now seems to be getting "colder". The gap between both teams is "two" big.

    Frankly , Aus lost the match in the 1st inngs when they were 128 AO, thanks to some insane batting from their batsmen. As Khwaja , Clarke and even the tail showed yesterday, batting is not only about SCORING but also about STAYING there. Their batsmen HAVE to face more deliveries to boost their confidence and to feel at ease while going for their shots.

    A good and solid performance by England, though not perfect yet. Joe was superb and proved his mettle as an opener. Bell continued his top form. Swanny put the horrors of Trent Bridge to bed in emphatic fashion with some fine bowling. And a pretty decent match for Bres too.

    There is room for improvement for both teams, the extents of which differ largely though. But unless Australia do that at Old Trafford, it may well be too late for them and we would already have the winners of this Ashes.

  • thebrotherswaugh on July 22, 2013, 4:48 GMT

    I just hope we start to hear some rational thoughts from Clarke, Lehmann, and the ACB in general. I don't want to hear the predictable garbage. You know, 'the series isn't over, we can still win the next three tests' etc. The OZ side is in shambles, our batting stocks are laughable and pretty much non-existent, our spinners continue to under-perform, and the only thing we have is some decent medium/fast bowlers. Personally, I hope they don't make any changes to the side - stick with the current mob and let them finish what they began. Some well earned humiliation may give them a much needed reality-check. The ACB needs to be planning for the next Ashes campaign beginning at Brisbane in November later this year. Wholesale changes are certainly in order for that series, but we really don't have the depth or quality at the moment. I wonder how long before the 'Teflon Kid' (James Sutherland) and his cronies on the board start feeling the heat? They are the ones in charge!!!

  • kitten on July 22, 2013, 4:46 GMT

    Australia, in my opinion, should make a few changes....drop Rogers, and replace him with Warner.....omit Hughes, and bring in Faulkner, he will bat better than Hughes has done, and also will add some firepower with his bowling....Agar out and Lyon in, and finally Pattinson can be replaced with Bird. Let's face it, this new team will certainly not fare worse than this present one has done. Go Australia, give it your best shot....remember you had England's first three wickets down for 30 or less in both innings, but could not capitalise. If the tailenders could fight in both innings, it just goes to show that anything is possible if you believe it.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 22, 2013, 4:42 GMT

    @Ken McCarron, In regards to smith's dismissal, it actually nicks the back edge of the bat, only feightly but it is there on the side view of hotspot.

    Regarding Haddins Dismissal, thats his own fault Padding up to a ball pitching inline, and not offering a shot is suicide, granted it started to turn to leg and would have missed by a coat of varnish, the initial view was that it was plumb hitting leg.

    Agar got the worst of it as there appeared to be clear air between bat and Ball, but by then the damage was already done with the top 7 making 160 runs.

  • on July 22, 2013, 4:37 GMT

    smith, haddin, rogerz nd hugerg, need to replacd, worst team selectn since last 2 ashes, selectorz had option of bringng back pointng, hussey for ashes, bt selectorz wana see 5-0 whitewash, england have upperhand wit playerz lyk, peterson, bell, swan, anderson, nly a miracle cn hit back team ausie

  • thebrotherswaugh on July 22, 2013, 4:27 GMT

    Congrats to ENG for a clinical execution of the OZ team. Swann deserved a second 5-for in the match - an absolutely dominant display of spin bowling. We would have been lucky to have scored 130 had Prior not missed a relatively simple stumping chance (by his high standards) from Clarke early in his innings. Bell and Root are very solid. Imagine what will happen if the entire unit fires, particularly with the bat. OZ will continue to struggle, and that 5-0 score-line looks all too real at the moment - weather being the unknown factor. @RandyOZ - Looks like your entertainment value will be next to zero, unless you enjoy watching OZ get smashed. More of the same in the 3rd test. A few cosmetic changes to the line-up will have little or no impact on our overall performance. As you're so fond of saying, 'the cupboards are well and truly bare' (in OZ). What can we do? Nothing really, it's far too late now. Just more mismanagement from an equally inept Board.

  • KickingAgainstThePricks on July 22, 2013, 4:23 GMT

    Dear Clarke & Co... Throughout my 42 years as a cricket apostle, I have seen many changes: changes in personnel, laws, styles, equipment, technology, tactics and teams. But, the one thing that has always remained true, is the same thing that has kept my head held high in both victory and defeat: Australian pride and Australian fight. It's the boxing kangaroo; it's the brilliance of Benaud; it's the passion of Lillee; it's the stubbornness of Border and it's the determination of Waugh - to name but a few.

    This may be a tough time, but I urge you to ignore the slings and arrows of a vocal few and remember that you stand tall on the shoulders of genuine giants. From the backyards to the beaches, from wheelie-bin wickets and taped-up tennis balls, I decree that a stoic majority is still 100% behind you. Never forget who we are and what we represent, and we will never forget you. Win, lose or draw, our fight defines and ultimately unites us.

    Yours in proud, yet tear-stained whites, J.

  • jmcilhinney on July 22, 2013, 4:21 GMT

    Just in case anyone thinks that Australia's poor performance may be hurting ticket sales for the return series, let me relay my experience of this weekend. I bought tickets for one day in Brisbane (late November) for my dad and me and for the first four days in Sydney (early January) for myself. Day 1 in Brisbane was already sold out, days 2 and 3 were mostly sold out and day 4 was well on the way too. For Sydney, the only tickets left for days 1, 2 and 3 had a restricted view of some sort. I'm fairly sure that every day of every Test will be a sell-out.

  • on July 22, 2013, 4:20 GMT

    England's golden era??? I prefer ours!!! The Poms aren't even number 1 in the world. We had that ranking for over a decade.

  • Insult_2_Injury on July 22, 2013, 4:19 GMT

    As expected Australia was beaten again by a more experienced side. Glimpses of things to come - Khuwaja showing some technique in the second innings. Leave him there and let him gain experience from playing. Don't get tempted to play Lyon unless Agar is injured. We've seen enough of pie chuckers like Lyon, Hauritz, etc. Agar can spin a ball, give him the experience. All these other top order guys need to put a price on their wicket, if for no other reason than to give the bowlers a rest between innings. There's no point looking to the stands and wishing Border, Hughes, Gilchrist, Warne, Waugh, etc were out there. It's about targetting and developing players with Test Match techniques. That won't win this series, or the next but playing them now is the only antidote. Cook, Bell, Anderson, etc took their thumpings from better sides, surrounded by necessary also rans. Good luck to Khuwaja, Pattinson, Cummins, Agar etc; they can play. They just have to see Test Matches as the pinnacle

  • thebrotherswaugh on July 22, 2013, 4:17 GMT

    Unfortunately, this Ashes series is done and dusted, and I can't see any way back for OZ. Barring an 'act of God' or some other miracle of biblical proportions, OZ cannot win a game vs. ENG in the foreseeable future. Our batting is in shambles. As I've been saying for some time, we lose wickets in bundles, as once again displayed by another appalling effort by the top order in the 2nd innings. The 1st three wickets in the space of 12 runs (0/24 to 3/36 from memory) and the next three wickets in the space of just 2 runs (3/134 to 6/136 or thereabouts). Every opposition side in the world knows one wicket will lead to at least two more. They have no fear, because no matter how well we bowl, the opposition will always bundle us out for less. The tail once again wagged to add a little more respectability to the total. Another paltry display by OZ and this trend is going to continue, so we'd best get used to it.

  • D.Sharma on July 22, 2013, 4:11 GMT

    Why are people complaining about the DRS? The Desi Revenge System is working fine.

  • MinusZero on July 22, 2013, 4:09 GMT

    Maddinson has scored two centuries with Australia A on the current tour. I would bring in Maddinson for Watson

  • quogequox on July 22, 2013, 4:05 GMT

    Is it just me or was the game so much more enjoyable when neither side was able to refer?

  • quogequox on July 22, 2013, 4:01 GMT

    "the strategy of dry pitches is working like a dream". Thats never going to sound like anything other than doctoring.

  • jmcilhinney on July 22, 2013, 3:57 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding on (July 21, 2013, 19:40 GMT), I partly disagree re Agar. I think that he probably hit it because Snicko showed a sharp peak, which usually indicates bat on ball. "Probably" should not be enough to overturn an original decision of not out though, plus the third umpire doesn't have Snicko anyway. There was obviously no mark on HotSpot and any deviation of the ball after passing the bat looked like swing to me. It will be interesting to see whether the ICC releases umpire evaluations after this game and, if so, whether that is considered a mistake. If there are consistent guidelines as to what constitutes "conclusive evidence" then I wish they'd make them public because that is my one and only gripe with DRS. I feel like HotSpot should be a requirement for overturning an on-field decision of not out on a disputed edge. A sound alone may be strongly suggestive but I don't consider it conclusive and I think most would agree.

  • BradmanBestEver on July 22, 2013, 3:48 GMT

    Watto has been found out against the new ball - move him down to number 6. If he does not perform with the bat in the next test he should go and bring in Maddinson.

    Out Hughes and in Warner to open. Out Pattinson and in Bird. Out Agar and in Lyon.

    For all those Cowan lovers he is not test standard as his record and technique shows, and neither is Hughes as his record and technique show.

  • 5wickethaul on July 22, 2013, 3:46 GMT

    What A game of Cricket and no words to describe Aussies situation. It was said once for the Mughal Emperors as they were the best in the business at the time, "The more powerful King went off with loads of sadness. " Same story with the Australians. Ruled the Cricketing world over a decade but now it's their own turn to see the pain. It seems they are not playing to win the Test Match, but for Draw. No aggression, No Power nothing which indicate them as a one of the best in the business. It was quite sure before the series started that Aussies are underdogs & the situation they are into seems it's going to be clean sweep. England is playing best cricket in the recent years. Playing with 3 Quick and 1 Specialist spinners, the same way McGrath, Fleming, Gillespie and Warnie were doing with the rest of the World. History repeats.

  • jmcilhinney on July 22, 2013, 3:42 GMT

    @Ozcricketwriter on (July 21, 2013, 19:51 GMT), I agree that the Agar dismissal was dodgy but you're wrong about the rest. Snicko might indicate an edge when there wasn't one and HotSpot might not show an edge if there was one but not the other way around. There's no way that the ball passing close to the bat is going to generate enough heat to show up on HotSpot. It's only the friction of actual contact between bat and ball that will produce enough heat to show up on HotSpot. Both Hughes and Smith had a spot on their bat visible on HotSpot that was not there the instant before the ball passed the edge. That is conclusive evidence that they were both out. In Agar's case, there was a definite sound and that was confirmed by Snicko but, without HotSpot to back that up, I really don't think that there was conclusive evidence to overturn a "not out" decision. If he'd been given out originally then it would have been enough to uphold that though.

  • on July 22, 2013, 3:39 GMT

    The question that still remains to be answered is why England did not forced the follow on? I might have been a 10 wicket thrashing for aussie.

  • Mandini on July 22, 2013, 3:06 GMT

    Why does everyone keep putting Hughes in their preferred teams. The guy has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is not a test batsman. In his last 12 innings he has reached double figures 4 times and 20 only 3 times. In his last 36 innings he has averaged just over 26. Under what circumstance does that equate to the performance of a test batsman? There are bowlers in the squad with better batting averages. If the selectors continue to pick players of that calibre there is no way known Australia can compete.

  • Sol09 on July 22, 2013, 2:56 GMT

    I tend to agree with Antony Dalton (featured comment). T20 is at least partly responsible for the decline of Australia's test performance. However, I think that T20 is the future of the game because most kids today are being brought up with this format. The people who love test cricket are the ones who were brought up with it. T20 is the game that kids take their parents to, while it is the other way around with test cricket. Chris Gayle himself (reportedly) said he would not mind seeing the demise of test cricket, whilst Adam Gilchrist said that T20 (and IPL in particular) has change the future of the game. When the current generation of test cricket lovers die out (especially in the ICC). this form will take a distinct back seat to the short forms of the game.

  • on July 22, 2013, 2:44 GMT

    The evidence for this disgrace points to the inability of CA to create a balance between limited over cricket and the longer form at the international and domestic level. The IPL & BBL both started in 2007 and since then Aust has changed coaches, captains, selectors and had an Argus Review to stop the rot. But its worse then ever. So what's the constant - James Sutherland! It has been noted on this website that Sutherland has been responsible for working out great TV deals for CA which says profit has been put before the game, and greed is killing the goose that lays the golden egg. CA and Mr Sutherland, the first Ashes series has been claimed in 9 days so who now wants to watch 3 dead games on television? How many Aussies are going to buy tickets to watch a sub standard team get flogged live. We can chop and change players, coaches etc, but we are rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. The buck stops with you Sutherland so step down so Aust can resurrect it's proudest sporting team!

  • Shaggy076 on July 22, 2013, 2:35 GMT

    This was an absolute flogging by England, with a pathetic batting display by australia on an absolute highway of a pitch. The bowling was top shelf, but not sure top shelf bowling should get you out on this pitch unless significant contributions were made from the batsman. It's a bit disappointing that the DRS is getting significant coverage in all this as it had no bearing on the result, but it shows that the current system is an embarrassment. Im not a fan of it but if you are going to use it try and teach the umpires the principle behind it as they seem to have no idea.

  • on July 22, 2013, 2:24 GMT

    Only one side has survived 173 overs or more? India batted close to 2 and half days(180 overs) in the below test match to draw it!!

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/nzvind2009/engine/match/386496.html

  • philknight on July 22, 2013, 2:14 GMT

    As a New Zealand cricket supporter, I would love some (honest)feedback from the English fans. Where do you see our side in comparison to this Aussie team?

  • on July 22, 2013, 1:44 GMT

    Everyone was wondering why Australia's bowlers kept breaking down. It will surprise me if Harris plays the 3rd test. The reason they are breaking down is perfectly exemplified in this test. They are bowling twice as many overs and are in he field for almost twice as long as their opponents. Then they get half a day's rest while we get skittled for 130ish. Forget about "rotation policies" and get the batting firing. Why can James Anderson stay on the park? Because he gets 100 overs rest every time England bat. I'm not a statistician but I could guess that over the past 3 years Australia's innings probably only last for 70ish overs, if that.

  • on July 22, 2013, 1:24 GMT

    Congratulations England! 2-0 unbeatable lead in Ashes. It would be best for the Australians to reverse the batting order as the present 9-10-11 are the best and have contributed the maximum for the Australian score. Australia has done this before on a wet wicket, during Bradman's time.

  • on July 22, 2013, 1:20 GMT

    Where is Shaun Marsh ?????

  • ODI_BestFormOfCricket on July 22, 2013, 1:14 GMT

    @h_z_0 Referalls involved hot spot produced inconsistent results. May be u have tons of theorey why BCCI opposes DRS, but reality is *hot spot is worst technology than hawkeye, failed to spot clear edges. Still you are saying drs has no problem. And on earth, any other sport body or oraganisation will accept? the decision that can be out or not out, bcz of onfield umpire's call.

  • on July 22, 2013, 1:06 GMT

    Waste of time 10 tests vs Australia Need England versus South africa 5 tests This will be a great series

  • hycIass on July 22, 2013, 0:59 GMT

    Classy knock from Khawaja, give him the full series and we may have our future number 3, a guy who scores when the going is tough. I am so tired of our bowlers showing the batsman how to bat, they need to take a good look at themselves. I would bring in Bird and Lyon in place of Agar and Pattinson for the next test.

  • jmcilhinney on July 22, 2013, 0:42 GMT

    Is anyone else amazed at the number of deliveries in this game that spun straight to slip? It wasn't even just Smith and Swann either; even Agar and Root, both of whom aren't huge spinners of the ball, managed at least one each.

  • jmcilhinney on July 22, 2013, 0:39 GMT

    Australia certainly haven't got their share of the luck in this game but I don't think that it would have changed the outcome; just reduced the margin a little. I don't think that you can really criticise the Australian bowlers too much. Agar was a bit disappointing and there were mitigating factors there anyway: he was injured and it was too much to expect a 19yo spinner to have a major impact anyway. Maybe England do have a problem against good left-arm spin but most spinners are years from their best at 19 so his time is not yet here. I guess the real worry on the bowling front is Pattinson. Even though people are talking about Siddle leading the attack, that's mostly to do with experience; Pattinson was supposed to be the gun bowler. He's still young and has lots of talent so will likely improve his consistency but he's definitely been disappointing so far. I'm not even going to bother commenting on the batting.

  • redneck on July 22, 2013, 0:35 GMT

    pathetic, pathetic and embarassing!!!! it was only on friday i was reading a nice article by a pom talking about australia making a match out of any situation then witnessed what has to be rock bottom!!! surely it cant get worse, can it??? in india we fell apart but thats also to do with forgin conditions, this lords test the pitch had bounce just like home and the weather was warm just like home!!!! what an abomination of a performance!!! apart from rhino i wish we could drop all 10 other players and start again!!! if we are legit in wanting to improve we need to cancel the big bash and ryobi cup and play an extended sheffield shield season!!!! Hell cancel the ashes return leg as we are damaging the great history and tradition that goes with this series!!! a series against bangledesh is about all we deserve and about all we can compete with at the moment!!! and even so thats not being fair to bangledesh!!!! Pathetic australia!!!

  • on July 22, 2013, 0:29 GMT

    This thrashing is expected when you have a bunch of "fellas" , but not a TEAM going out on the field of play. Australia must get their act together and be competitive and leave the in-fighting behind in the dressing room . On the field of play , its a game on, so get serious .

  • OneEyedAussie on July 22, 2013, 0:29 GMT

    I will post this interesting trivia again: 1)The last Australian batsmen to score a test century was Clarke and it was the first test against India. That was 6 tests ago. 2) Before that the last two non-Clarke batsmen to score centuries were Wade and Hussey against SL. Hussey is retired and Wade will most likely not take part in this series. 3) Going back further, centuries were scored by Warner, Cowan, Hussey and Clarke against SA. Again, only Clarke is likely to play again in this series. 4) Rogers, Khawaja and Smith have played 19 tests collectively and have yet to score a century between them. 5) Watson's and Haddin's last century was three years ago.

  • on July 22, 2013, 0:28 GMT

    Well Australia, this has been in the making for 3-years and nothing has really changed since the 2010 Ashes. As pointed out on many occasions, CA has no vision, the Selectors preference to NSWmen is abhorrent and the placating of one man's ego has been pathetic. The grafting of this debacle has led to the inevitable conclusion .... 6 straight loses and counting.

    We can all look back and reflect on the mistreatment of Katich, Khawaja dropping, selection and non-selection, the Quiney/Hughes Affair, Bowler Rotation, the pathetic India Touring Selection, "Homework-gate" ..... general selection practices!!! This is ALL about management!!!

    But with the apparently bare cupboard, I can reflect on warnings that I made about the "Young Lions" 2013 Tour of Australia, and the Australia A Team made up of a lot of old players. NO VISION!!!

    And look at the Australia A Team in Zimbabwe. Again most of the team is NSWmen and they struggled to win the game.

    CA Management simply do not have a clue

  • M@sK_Lanka on July 22, 2013, 0:24 GMT

    Too many good players retired too soon in Ausie! who made them retire should kick him self now.But for future australia should keep the current squad but try out new players between the age of 18-25, so a pack is build. better play test matches with Windies and pakistanis more often, at least they can face quality bowling but can win because WI & PAK ugly batting, have more tri-nation cricket like before.this will create mentor good batting side, which is a problem for ausie.

  • Cricket_theBestGame on July 22, 2013, 0:22 GMT

    for watson legendary michael holding summed it up his 1st inning dismissal "watson is always out. and then he wastes a review". the review which could've saved rogers in the 1st innings!

    time get rid of watson, hughes...as someone else said who will pay for the crime of sidelining katich !

  • Sunil_Batra on July 22, 2013, 0:21 GMT

    Dissapointing as an Aussie fan, but there were some positves from the game. Khawaja showed his class with a tough fifty in conditions others failed and great signs for the classy left hander. Siddle and Harris also showed his class, we need to bring Lyon in as Manchester will spin.

  • jmcilhinney on July 22, 2013, 0:18 GMT

    @H_Z_O on (July 21, 2013, 15:32 GMT), we're pretty much on the same page. I think Agar probably hit it but I just don't think that the third umpire had conclusive evidence to say so. If the on-field umpire says not out then I think that, to be conclusive, the evidence must include HotSpot. It did in the case of Hughes in the first innings and Smith in the second but there was no HotSpot for Agar so I don;t think the noise alone should be enough to overrule. The word is that there was a deviation too but, to my eye, that was due to swing and not from the bat.

  • Bharatvarsh.. on July 22, 2013, 0:16 GMT

    an absolute pathetic cricket by australia...seems they are hardly prepared for ashes agnst quality eng team..if one remember,even in 2005 ashes with their legends,aus struggled in eng,so no wonder they have to raise their game 200% to 400% to knock inform eng team,but aus sinked badly. mickey arthur was right that this aus team should be disciplined which showed some spark in mohali and delhi test where they challenged india to some point after match ban on watson,pattinson.

    remember even in 2005 ashes,the gr8 steve waugh advised aussie team to be disciplined and play well,which australia didn't and lost 2-1 in eng.

    australia should have extremely lengthy session with gr8 steve waugh to have some benefit in this ashes,other wise whitewash is not far..

  • Chris_P on July 21, 2013, 23:59 GMT

    @ Sg1993. Help me understand your comment. Don't play Watson as he is better suited to T20/ODI, but select Bailey as he has good ODI form? Do yourself a favour & go look up Bailey's fc effort last season. Another poster I won't be reading in future.

  • H_Z_O on July 21, 2013, 23:57 GMT

    @JG2704 on (July 21, 2013, 20:14 GMT) Yeah, I don't have an issue with the DRS at all, but the umpires applying it in this series have been lousy.

    Erasmus was missing a piece of technology with the Trott lbw. Even if he was right, and Trott didn't hit it, Erasmus couldn't have been certain. There was enough there to justify the on-field umpire giving it not-out (the deviation).

    And now Tony Hill, with nothing more to go on than a noise decides he can overrule Erasmus' on-field decision. I doubt Erasmus didn't hear the noise; I heard it in real-time. But there was minimal, if any, deviation, and the on-field umpire's well within his rights to give benefit of the doubt to the batsman. The review didn't prove Agar hit it, not conclusively, and the decision should have stood.

    I thought it was out in real-time. But when I saw the lack of Hotspot I was sure the decision would stand. I was shocked when it wasn't. I've never rated Tony Hill and I rate him even less now. Lousy umpire.

  • Chris_P on July 21, 2013, 23:53 GMT

    @Mark Hogarth . Don't feel sorry for us, we don't seek pity. We have to take this, grin & bear it & try to muster up something resembling a fight. In reality, we were never going to win, but to compete was the first item we had to address. We did in the first test,. albeit with the bowlers (batting & bowling) but this last effort ranks poorly. And the thing is, although England are playing well, they are far from being at their best, now that is disturbing from our pov! When the tide is running away from you, you tend to get things like DRS going against you, dropped & missed catches, it has been that way for as long as I can recall & I am sure nothing will change. The only thing I am certain about of this great game is that nothing stays the same forever, we came back from the mid 80's (I do recall England piling on 600 odd runs for a couple of wickets a few times & wondering how we would ever get back), but in the meantime, I am just sitting & taking it.

  • on July 21, 2013, 23:48 GMT

    Australia need to bring Hussey back. And I want to see him bat @ no 5. I don't consider Watson as a test opener. He should bat @ no 6. Most important is they need Warner back immediately. My XI is for Australia D Warner Rogers Khawaja Clarke Hussey/ Bailey Watson Haddin Patinson Siddle Harris Bird / Starc

  • dunger.bob on July 21, 2013, 23:45 GMT

    cont.. 3

    So were the West Indies with their magnificent beast of a team in the 80's. .. when enough talent coagulates in the one team, there is no defence.

    So, I think what's wrong with Australian cricket is that we're short of players at the moment. However, I have complete faith that our smelly old F/C system (with 2 extra teams) is good enough to slowly but inexorably start to unearth the next generation of talent. They will put the brakes on the slide first then start to get traction and begin pulling us back up the hill. .. I'm sure of it. .. I know it looks all doom and gloom today, but have some faith. .. like that shampoo ad says,''it won't happen overnight, but it will happen".

  • oval77 on July 21, 2013, 23:42 GMT

    I was at the match today - what a great atmosphere it was. Great to see the young lad Root get MoM but it's lucky Ian Bell is such a down to earth chap otherwise he could be forgiven for feeling a bit bitter at being overlooked in the plaudits again. Belly is quietly doing the sort of heads-down, no-nonsense job for England that is absolutely critical to their success at present. And this leads me on to the Aussies, who sorely need a bit of the same heads-down application. Khawaja looks to have it; for a while him and Clarke looked more solid than I've seen from the team in a while. In fact he looks like the antithesis of Warner, whose latest twitter-related escapades filtered through the stands halfway through the afternoon. Even when he's not in the squad (or in the bar) - he loudly causes trouble, exemplifying the kind of talk-led pantomime posturing that Aus need to drop. For proper heads-down run-scoring application, keep Warner well away, and finally give Khawaja a good run.

  • cyborg on July 21, 2013, 23:40 GMT

    that was brute stuff from england , nothing wrong with australia they were just bullied , they showed good respite

  • dunger.bob on July 21, 2013, 23:39 GMT

    cont.. History tells us that our International Comedy Festival of a team then went on to evolve into (I hope you'll forgive me this), one of the greatest to ever walk the earth. How and why did this happen? Much more importantly, what can this current mob do to try to emulate them? .. Well, I contend that it wasn't anything to do with the minor tinkering they did with the "system" per se. .. F/C cricket stayed much the same as it had always been. There were a few shake-ups in the buearocracy but that wasn't it either. .. I think it was purely and simply that our team slowly but surely started to find a few good men. .. In a game like cricket, there is no substitute for sheer talent. .. You can't simply manufacture a Warne, or a McGrath or either of the Waughs for that matter... we were the lucky beneficiaries of a convergence of talent that might normally be spread across several generations with minimal over-lap. cont..

  • dunger.bob on July 21, 2013, 23:36 GMT

    There's been a lot of well deserved criticism of Aus. cricket lately and I'm not going to dispute that. .. We stink. .. However, I feel there needs to be a bit of perspective brought into the hysteria so here's an attempt at that.

    I'm old enough to remember the 1980's and if you think we're bad now, you should have seen us then. We were that disorganised it's a wonder all of our players managed to find the ground on match day. .. when I hear the name Chris Broad I instantly get an image of a big guy with a whacking great bat who seemed to occupy the crease for weeks at a time. I wondered if he was paying rent he spent so much time in the middle. We seemed to be playing the Windies all the time, with England every 2 years. .. we didn't just get beaten by both, we were systematically dismembered like a corpse on an autopsy table. Completely & utterly powerless to resist. For 10 years or so that went on. We literally couldn't beat NZ, Hadlee in particular.

    continued ..

  • dalboy12 on July 21, 2013, 23:35 GMT

    Writing to admit to being wrong. I honestly thought this was going to be a tight series - I still think the one in Aussie will be. But England have really risen to the occasion and you can't deny they have dominated the first two tests with some great all round cricket. Either NZ are not as bad as we NZers think they are or England really didn't play that well against us. England look like they may have uncovered a very valuable rarity in world cricket --- two quality opening batsman. In Root and Cook they have two openers that could give them years of runs at the top of the order.

  • on July 21, 2013, 23:28 GMT

    England recovered from a collapse in both innings - a pretty major collapse in both innings where the 3 biggest batters all fell cheaply both times. Pietersen is out - but Cooke and Trott won't keep failing - you can count on that. Broad will have his day with the ball and Prior with the bat. A team with 80% of it's star players failing throughout the match (Broad, Pietersen, Trott, Cooke and Prior) beat the Aussies to a pulp. You can only imagine how wide the margin might have been if these big gun players had actually performed in either innings?

  • landl47 on July 21, 2013, 23:28 GMT

    As an England fan I'm glad England won, but let's not lose perspective. Remember: 1. England were 28-3 in the first innings and 30-3 in the second. 2. The marginal decisions mostly went England's way. 3. Joe Root edged between W/K and 1st slip when he had 8. 4. England had most of the luck that was going, such as Rogers' dismissal in the 1st iinnings. 5. The games are being played on wickets which are drier and taking more turn than is usual in England (I believe this is absolutely not a coincidence) and Swann is a world-class spinner while Agar/Lyon are promising youngsters. The wickets in Australia will NOT be like this.

    This was one game and anyone who is writing the obituary for Australian cricket is not seeing the big picture. The Aussies will be back and England had better be ready.

  • on July 21, 2013, 23:24 GMT

    Australia need something like Mr . cricket (Mike Hussey) in middle order.

  • on July 21, 2013, 23:17 GMT

    snicko needs to be banned, it isnt scientific, Snicko Graphic is added to the pictures and isnt part of actual recording, all snicko does is give false evidence, as demonstrated by english batsman qho swished and missed a few time, there were noises to be heard but the ball didnt hit the bat, Hotspot on the other hand is reliable its hard to creat a hotspot without any contact, it has one flaw but can be spotted by anyone is glare of thw sin can cause miss leading glares at certain replay frames, how aboutbthe Captians sit down with the Refs put their imput in, find a standard for hotspot both Captains can agree on, as for snicko, leave.that to the Commentarors and dont use it for evidence searching.

  • Greatest_Game on July 21, 2013, 23:12 GMT

    @ mikkkk wrote "In which case you don't understand irony. The point he was making was who is going to make up the SA contingent. It was hardly subtle."

    Irony: a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's FALSE CONCEPTIONS CONSPICUOUS by adroit questioning --called also Socratic irony.

    Perhaps you missed my post's deliberate refusal to acknowledge electric_loco_WAP4's double entendre, & that my response stylistically mirrors the indignant sputtering to which I replied? Such Socratic irony, as defined above, allowed me to focus on & expose the blatant falsehood propagated by the poster, &, with schadenfruede, fully detail the 'contingent's' breadth.

    The unmentioned irony, & 2nd component of said double entendre: Compton is, theoretically, the 1st in line replacement KP!

    Ironically too, you, by default, include Compton as a bone fide member of the 'contingent,' the very concept that ignited the indignant sputtering!

  • CricShanghai on July 21, 2013, 23:05 GMT

    The way I looked at the 'pushing' by Khawaja, clearly his left hand was powered against Swann which was not at all needed. That was a hard shuffle when he could have reach the crease few inches behind Swann without any body contact needed... amazing how an Australian commentator quickly explained the incident with biasness. Anyway, England started well with 2 wins with some concerns with the top order batting. Cook, Trott and KP need to step in next to release some pressure off the middle order. I thought England should try Bell at No.3 and KP at 4 or even 5 so he can play more freely with some runs already on the board...

  • Chris_P on July 21, 2013, 22:41 GMT

    No Aussie with any degree of cricket knowledge expected us to win this series, but the manner we have lost is probably the most disappointing. I said we would be very much on the back foot, but unlike the Indian series where we took too many wrong players, this squad was a lot nearer to what we should have taken, apart from a couple of players. And to be blunt, there is no-one at home, apart from SOK, who should be suitably aggrieved for missing a place in the squad & he isn't the answer for the batting woes. England have performed in the manner they could against the rabble representing Australia & can't do much more. On a personal note, I would have much preferred to see English umpires for this series as the these lot available must be at the lower end of the panel.

  • on July 21, 2013, 22:29 GMT

    The way Aussies played their second innings when knowing they have 500+ runs to chase was to give up from the time First wicket fell. Shot selection and trying to be aggressive against a bowling which you don't understand is suicidal and here is the result. Their basic concept of Aggression against the teams which they did in 1980's and 90's is not going to work because other teams are better or at par with them now. At this rate Ashes will be white wash and probably will be bad for England as they may get too complacent in next tour.

  • on July 21, 2013, 22:25 GMT

    Always been following ashes series, its been one of my fav series to watch, not an English fan nor Australian fan, just a cricket lover from Canada, but this ashes series getting really boring now, England is treating Australians like a school team. it's just one sided series as for now !! Australia needs to step up or ashes will die this year. Anyways congrats to England n their fans! Awesome batting and lovely bowling by English team.

  • SirViv1973 on July 21, 2013, 22:25 GMT

    @sg1993, Whether you think Watson is good enough to open in tests or not dropping him for Cowan is not going to improve this team. Cowan will generally occupy the crease longer but he will not score more runs (an ave of 31 in 19 tests confirms this) plus you also loose the 4th seam option SW offers. Rogers is not going to improve against any type of bowling he is 35! Kawaja did well in the 2nd inns here but so did Hughes in the 1st inns in first test. Time will tell how good UW can be but at this stage of his career he isn't any better than any of the other misfiring batsman in the top 6. Before calling for Bailey you might want to check his FC stats from last season! In terms of your XI for the next test there is no spinner other than Clarke who has been reluctant to give himself a ball in the series due to his back problems and Old Trafford tends to turn quite a bit these days & will probably do so even more this yr due to the hot dry weather we have had.

  • yorkshirematt on July 21, 2013, 22:13 GMT

    @wasim wasamadootra Don't worry the grass will mysteriously return when India arrive here next year!

  • OzWally on July 21, 2013, 22:13 GMT

    Is this the worst top 6 in Australian cricket history? If you go back to the dark days of 1984, when the Aussies didn't win a series for 4 years, and ultimately Kim Hughes was run out of cricket, the top 6 of Wessels, Dyson, Wood, Border, Hughes & Yallop averaged 229 runs per innings (career ave). This current top 6 is averaging 197! Even if you replace Warner with Rogers, it still only gets to 219.

    Unfortunately, wins at home against India & Sri Lanka and wins overseas against the WI have only masked the problem and given us a false sense of hope. That hope is gone, same as I hope this group is gone before the home series starts.

  • on July 21, 2013, 22:10 GMT

    i wonder and just wonder why baily and voges are not in this Australian lineup.Spcly cnsidrng baily ws in great touch at champions trophy. For how more long they will keep on ignoring Brad Hodge becz he is now old and yet can pick Rogers. Baily voges hodge and even shaun marsh are far far better players than cowan ,huges and rogers. just replace them and you will see a far better australia from third test..

  • Beertjie on July 21, 2013, 22:09 GMT

    Spot on, @BradmanBestEver on (July 21, 2013, 12:56 GMT), they can begin with Sutherland. Then they can address the issues surrounding pitches by calling a convention of the franchises to ensure pitches are made less bowler-friendly. @Ian Milne on (July 21, 2013), playing musical chairs is not the solution, but it is evident that Watson must play at #6, (If he is to play at all). What is needed are players who can bat time. Rogers, Cowan, Khawaja, Warner, Clarke, Watson as a top 6 seem a better bet for the next test, especially if we win the toss and bat. Wade to replace Warner/Watson if they continues to play short innings. Hughes has had sufficient chances and just does not have the technique to play long test innings. Forget about regaining the Ashes now, or even drawing the series. Just play solid long innings and don't give easy runs away. Three drawn tests would be counted a great success after going two down! @poms_have_short_memories on (July 21, 2013), agree 3-1 then, 2-0 now.

  • dunger.bob on July 21, 2013, 22:09 GMT

    First of all, congratulations to England. .. too good for us to handle. Far, far too good.

    I think we have only seen England in about 3rd gear so far. They have 3 or 4 gears they haven't had to use yet and given what we've seen so far, they probably won't need them against us.

    It's not easy being an Aussie supporter these days. .. Our team looks amateurish and clueless against pretty much every body. .. There's in fighting and out fighting and some ones probably fighting in the middle as well. ..We're a rabble. A modestly talented rabble at that.

    You know what though, I'm going to keep backing them. I'm not going to say that it can't get any worse because I don't think that's true. It can, and probably will, get much worse than this. .. Nevermind, keep at it boys. .. Take your beatings like men, try to learn something every time and just keep at it. .. When you think about it, there's no other choice really. .. It's going to be a long, hard road but I'll support you all the way.

  • RohanMarkJay on July 21, 2013, 22:08 GMT

    @mikkkk What is so astonishing? Because you now have the benefit of hindsight. That Australia have shown to be weak at least in England? I said "on paper". Look at Australia's performances at home in recent years and England's. They are pretty similar. Both England and Australia have struggled away from their home countries. Except England in Australia. I agree Eng has the wood on Aus. Also read the statement carefully I said weakest performances. Equal on paper and weakest performances are two different things. Before the 1989 ashes series. England and Australia were considered almost equal on paper. Yet an England team containing pretty good cricketers in 1989 lost to Aussies 4-0. Doesn't bother me wether you thought it was astonishing. This is forum is about opinions, not about being astonished about some random persons opinion as a statement on a game we love. It is just a game there are more important things in the world to be astonished about my friend. Lets just enjoy cricket!

  • ashes61 on July 21, 2013, 22:07 GMT

    ENG fans delighted and AUS fans stunned, baffled or angry. Was the other way round a few years ago & the cycle turns every few years - it always has. That's the great thing about the Ashes. We were in a real state and copied everything Australian. Recently the boot's been on the other foot. All OK? NO - there's a real dange in thinking the Ashes will always be OK & that, as sure as eggs are eggs, AUS will soon be at our throat again & all will continue as before. HOWEVER, the problem this time is structural change, brought about by the inane and slavish promotion of the peurile T20 nonsense (Big Bash) as well as allowing Aus kids to rush after IPL dosh. If Shield cricket really is in the state we hear it is, then nothing will save AUS or the Ashes. Complete turnabout needed. T20 KILLS a player's chances of development - its OK for has-beens like Warne & Gilchrist (however great) to cash in but these AUS kids over here now are trying to LEARN the BASICS in middle of tough Test series!

  • on July 21, 2013, 21:52 GMT

    Good idea. Bring on Mike Hussey. Then Aussie can lose by 300 instead of 350.

  • on July 21, 2013, 21:46 GMT

    With England being dominant I think they could have done without the help of this absurd review system!! Surely now HOTSPOT should be thrown out as being a failure as it failed to record anything at all when the audio picked something up (which could have been a bat on pad by the way). Broad almost hit the ball for four at Trent Bridge but was given not out caught and the sole reason he was not correctly given out is that Australia had 'wasted' reviews!!. It cannot be left to the batsman or fielders to claim a review as they just don't know whether or not they are justified fully in assuming they are right. It should be like American football where a review is asked for by members of their analytic team upstairs. Two reviews is rubbish, all appeals should be reviewed and all umpire decisions on wickets should also be reviewed it is hardly going to hold the game up is it? tests last five days for goodness sake.

  • maddy20 on July 21, 2013, 21:40 GMT

    This is starting to get really boring and monotonous. England win 5-0. bag man of the match in every game, man of the series, take the trophy and Aus go home with a lot of stick from the media. After so much of hype followed by such dismal performance has fizzed out my enthusiasm. @A_Vacant_Slip Of the so called "Full Strength" team you mentioned, 3 have retired, 5 have been sacked soon afterwards. So I do not think it was full strength!

  • on July 21, 2013, 21:39 GMT

    aussies good days gone ......

  • on July 21, 2013, 21:31 GMT

    England were the much better side but it doesn't help that when you are losing, the umpiring goes against you. Agar and Haddin were clearly not out and so was Smith. I believe that the ball clearly misses Smith's bat from the front-on shot and if anything deflects his trousers on the way through. A minute mark on Hot Spot doesn't always reflect contact. There are grainy marks around all parts of the bat with this technology and I don't trust it unless the mark is absolutely obvious. Nonetheless, England were way too good in this match.

  • on July 21, 2013, 21:30 GMT

    As an England fan I didn't think I'd find myself saying this but I really feel sorry for Australia. If this Series was a boxing match the referee would stop the fight now! If it was up to me I would stop the Series now, ask the Aussies to regroup and get their house in order and then continue the series. Of course as an England fan I want us to beat Aus, but not batter them as it stops being a sporting event and becomes cruel . Lets have more of the thrilling excitement experienced in the 1st test otherwise The Ashes will lose it's kudos (similar to how Aus felt in the 80/90's). Come on Aus, give us a game!

  • on July 21, 2013, 21:28 GMT

    Can CA and the selectors who dropped Simon Katich put their names up and go and then resign. Just did a stats guru on him as opening batsman, and if I read it right he had an average over 50 when opening and about 45 overall. He scored an agregate of over 100 runs in over half the matches he played in this position. And he gets dropped and never gets picked while those who replaced him average (at best) about 35.

  • SDHM on July 21, 2013, 21:22 GMT

    @Naresh - disagree with you there. The thing is, England haven't been playing at their best - haven't for a while. The top order isn't firing in the main, starts are not being capitalised on, the third bowling slot still isn't nailed down. They are still 2-0 up, however, and the promise of more yet to come. That's what's heartening if anything - other people are stepping up to the plate. Bell is finally stepping out of his more illustrious colleagues' shadows, Root has cemented his place and if Jimmy doesn't get you, Swanny will. I refuse to believe this series is gone from Australia - I grew up in the 90s, I carry too many scars from Ashes past - but if England properly click into gear, it could get messy.

  • on July 21, 2013, 21:16 GMT

    IMHO the best measure of the health of a game is to look at the level below the national team. The Sheffield Shield / Pura Cup or whatever it's called now is a meaningless, poorly supported farce. If England want to completely dominate world cricket - ban overseas players from the County game. If Australia had to rely on their own domestic comp and resources to develop their players they'd be even worse than they are now.

  • Wasim_Wasamadroota on July 21, 2013, 21:10 GMT

    Time to get Jackson Bird in for some good stump to stump Terry Alderman-like bowling. Global warming must be a real issue too as I seem to remember there being grass on English wickets, where has it gone.

  • Sg1993 on July 21, 2013, 21:03 GMT

    For the sake of god, Shane Watson is not a test Opener. He can't deal with the swing, and seam of English conditions. He is suitable for only t20 and Odi's where he can just wack the ball. He doesn't have the patience needed for test cricket. Chris rogers is good, but needs some practice against quality spin bowling, coz against Swann he seems clueless. Khawaja shows promises, and you can't forget his gutsy 62 against mighty south Africans, when he helped Australia chase 310 with Ricky Ponting. I would bring George bailey in. After all, he's the only one who scores runs for Australia in Odi's. Also, I can't understand why Jackson bird hasn't played a game? and he has control over his line and length. My team would be Ed cowan, David warner, Usman Khawaja, George Bailey, Michael Clarke, Phil Hughes, Brad Haddin, Starc(hope Wazz akram mentors him, then england wouldn't have a clue), Siddle, Bird, and Pattinson. Its england, so 4 seamers, and you're not trying to find warne. Forget it

  • on July 21, 2013, 20:52 GMT

    I wonder whats wrong with australian cricket these days.

  • A_Vacant_Slip on July 21, 2013, 20:50 GMT

    A day or two ago I post on here that Australia very weak and that England will beat them at Lords. Many fellow England fan jump on me and tell me not to be so optimistic. SO today I feel smugg because I am right - Australia REALLY ARE that bad! It remind me of watching India in England in 2011 I agree with you @hillbumper. Then even full strength Indian batting could not pass 300 in any inning. Here I feel that Australia will be the same - they do not have the abilty to pass 300. But at least Australia do have the bowler to contain England - well maybe. I do not give much for Australia chance now in this series I can see it being whitewash - like India in 2011, Australia do not have equipment to beat England.

  • arif_cric on July 21, 2013, 20:47 GMT

    remeber my words it is a 5-0.... early 90s austrlia dominate world cricket teams now world will dominate australia. first it was india 4 - 0, now england... whoz next.... expecting ponting or hussey make a return when england down under...

  • on July 21, 2013, 20:47 GMT

    This was a comprehensive thrashing, and one I'm sure England didn't foresee when three quick wickets fell on the first morning. Bell can consider himself unlucky for the second Test in a row not to win the man of the match award, although I think his claim was greater here as he dug England out of a hole. This is not taking anything away from Root or Swann, the two other outstanding performers. The Ashes are virtually retained, and hopefully Australia's mental resolve is now destroyed, from an English viewpoint....a clean sweep is a distinct possibility. Sussex....please give the Australians a hard time in their next game!

  • Naresh28 on July 21, 2013, 20:46 GMT

    Well done to ENG they are on top of their game. Their bowling is better than even SA and are giving Aust a real hiding just like they did to India tests in England. The bowling is so complete and the batting has also been good. I feel that Oz need a new captain as Clarke has not been good since back problem surfaced.

  • mikkkk on July 21, 2013, 20:39 GMT

    "On paper, one would say they are almost of equal talent and strength."

    One of the most astonishing statements I think I've ever read on here. The gulf between these two side is HUGE both on paper *and* more importantly on the field. Aussies capacity for self delusion appears to be infinite.

    RohanMarkJay, Ive just just reread your post again to see if I was missing some sort of irony but nope...:-)

    The only way Aussies, both public and within the game, are going to get anywhere is by recognising where they are now which is a very weak side.

  • whatawicket on July 21, 2013, 20:38 GMT

    randyoz you have done very well to get tickets. but if you do not want them. sell them i would think you should get your money back no bother. it was only 3 weeks ago you said by the 3rd test you would be looking at the urn in your countries grip. you must think i am silly as i thought it would be 1 - 1 and 3 draws, but there u go.

  • poms_have_short_memories on July 21, 2013, 20:35 GMT

    Well,the only positives for Australia in this test match are that Harris and Siddle both bowled well. Australia do seem to be getting early breakthrough's in the top order, and then it seems to just stop.Hopefully Khawaja can run through Jimmy Anderson in the next test and hurt his back too! All jokes aside, this has got a 1985 feel about it.

  • on July 21, 2013, 20:33 GMT

    Graeme Swann took 9/122 in the match. His contributions with the bowl was significant in both the innings. He also scored 28*(31) in the first innings, added some vital runs. Most importantly, he scored them quickly as it was the last wicket stand. Joe Root's figures of 6 and 180 with the bat and 2/9 with the bowl won him the man of the match in a low scoring contest (Aug 128 and 235). Something's not right. Is that because Joe Root is in the limelight nowadays?

  • chiggers on July 21, 2013, 20:32 GMT

    I think I have cracked how to make this series competitive, and that is to make a return to the Victorian era, when 'odds' matches used to take place; so we would have Eleven of England vs Sixteen of Australia. If we let Australia bat all of their touring party and use all of their bowlers in the field, then things might just even up a bit - maybe England wouldn't win until mid-afternoon on the fifth day.

    I did say to an Aussie on Friday evening, when England were 30-3, that we already had enough and that we could declare then. As it turned out, I was correct - just.

  • Fluffykins on July 21, 2013, 20:20 GMT

    Last year I paid good money to see a totally one sided ODI at the Oval. I posted at the time that CA had better not bring that very half hearted attitude when the came this year or they would get found out, well they clearly didn't listen because I have seen very little fight this time either....

  • on July 21, 2013, 20:19 GMT

    While Harris looked a more accomplished batsman than Watson, Pattinson easily outshone the top four, Khawaja included. Watson is a one-day player, incapable of changing his game, Rogers shows a disastrous lack of judgement of trajectories, Hughes was all at sea and the only period Khawaja looked confident was in partnership with his captain - a player who himself is incapable of batting higher than number 5 with success. Can there be a more humiliating verdict than this, that Australia's No 10 and 11 are better batsmen than their specialists, Clarke excepted?

  • JG2704 on July 21, 2013, 20:14 GMT

    Well finished England. One thing I disagree with (though not strongly) is man of the match. I'd have given it to Bell , basically because although Root's inns was outstanding and he took some handy 2nd inns wickets , Bell came in when Eng were in deep trouble and Aus firmly on top. The game was pretty much won before Eng even started the 2nd inns so for me it was less important to the game. Well played the pair of them though

  • JG2704 on July 21, 2013, 20:14 GMT

    I followed the score on R5 and have not seen much of the highlights either. I've never had a major problem with DRS and still don't but have to agree with HZO on the Agar dismissal. While in normal time it did look a good review , I thought the 3rd or 4th umpire needed substancial evidence in order to overturn the original decision. There was no Hotspot so if they use Hotspot as gospel to overturn decisions then if there is no Hotspot then how can they overturn it?

  • JG2704 on July 21, 2013, 20:13 GMT

    @Greatest_Game on (July 21, 2013, 15:18 GMT) While I won't disagree with your findings - I will say re Compton that while he may have started learning the game in SA , he was nowhere near test level until a couple of years ago and re Prior he came over when he was 11 so I think it's hard to say he properly developed as a cricketer in SA.

  • fauxpas1 on July 21, 2013, 20:07 GMT

    Why Root is MoM? The match was essentially over by the time he came to bat in the 2nd innings. His 180 was largely inconsequential...Swann really deserved the honor.

  • on July 21, 2013, 20:04 GMT

    Inverarity was brought as the saviour of Aus cricket but under his guidance Aus cricket has really hit the doldrums and it seems there can be no returning back. The way credit is given to Indian selectors for the present might of Indian cricket, in the same way Aus selectors must take responsibility for such spineless performances. Real weird stuff is happening since last few years. Axing of Katich as Clarke took throne, no-show by Watson, Hussey, Ponting retiring, Fawad Ahmed episode, selecting a new spinner for every new series, persistence with non-performers like Cowan, Warner, Hughes, Khwaja, Wade, no backing of Lyon, branding your best players like Bailey, Voges, Marsh as limited over specialists, the list can go on and on. Only good thing is that the pacers show promise, with the ball, and with the bat as well.

  • RohanMarkJay on July 21, 2013, 20:03 GMT

    Worst performance by an Australian team I have ever seen. Even though I was born in the early 1970s. I have watched Aussie teams since 1981. This is by far the worst, most pathetic performance. Full credit to England. They played very well, especially young Joe Root in batting. However, the gulf between Oz and Eng can't be this wide. On paper, one would say they are almost of equal talent and strength. I watched the England sides of the 1990s. Even though they got walloped by a superb ozzie side. They always gave it their all and tried to win a couple of test matches against a far better ozzie team. This ozzie team just has no pride or fight. I think I know why. Young Aussies have it too easy compared with most other countries in the world where life is a real struggle. Australia is a bit of a paradise compared with most countries. With good weather and high standard of living in a safe part of the world. Their young people grow up in the easy life of plenty in their Oz city suburbias.

  • tick on July 21, 2013, 20:01 GMT

    By the look of things,Australia are suffering from some poor planning.only players batting in correct order are tail enders and they are showing that too with good resistance.atleast they gave chance to khawaja and he should that when the person is given the chance at his right position he makes it worthwhile.Aussies are trying too hard for miracle players like the players they had in 90's and 2000's but thats not gonna b.players have to be played.e.g playing Phil Hughes at 5 and Steven smith at 6.my god thats the worst 5 and 6 in world at this time.they are not players to invest in.i think my Aussie friends will agree with me that there are much better and reliable and much technical players playing in Australian domestic circuit.And an advice for PCB to organize a 5 match test series in UAE with Australians.never a better time to go 5-0 against them.this time is no match for Ajmal,Rehman,Hafeez in warm dry conditions of uae..

  • thekaz on July 21, 2013, 20:00 GMT

    Australia need to start showing some application and batting properly, this is test match cricket. In the current 20/20 era and with the Australian season and the IPL at separate times their players play to much t20 cricket and cant bat for long periods. I fear for Australia as this batting line up is really poor, and they havent got any talent in the wings either. They must have watched Joe Root bat and wonder why they havent got anyone of his quality coming through. If Pietersen is injured get James Taylor in and hopefully he scores runs aswell.

  • 2.14istherunrate on July 21, 2013, 19:58 GMT

    Ovverall a fantastic effort by England to win a very large victory at Lords-surely one of our best given that the size of victory was as big almost as either of our innings. it certainly seems like a turn around from the series of 20 years ago-we have the great seamer and great spinner, a couple of other very good seamers, the world class batting lineup and the great keeper;. Alas poor Australia look like a shadow of their past and I care not one whit. Take no priisoners, England! Lets wrap up the Ashes in Manchester!

  • on July 21, 2013, 19:51 GMT

    The defeats in India were attributed to the underprepared, spinner friendly, shamefully Doctored pitches. I do not know what excuses ACB will have for these. Feel Aussies will have to train to play outside Australia. They also need to stop the hype of their chin music, and concentrate on playing test cricket, the way Cook, Root and Bresnan demonstrated.

  • aarifboy on July 21, 2013, 19:51 GMT

    If Hussey wanted to retire he could have told Aussies so that Ponting could have delayed his retirement.To tour India and England without both is giving insult to Australia.They needed atleast one of those till the end of this series.

  • Ozcricketwriter on July 21, 2013, 19:51 GMT

    I think that everyone needs to realise that Hot Spot and Snicko are not designed to detect edges - rather Hot Spot detects a heat signature and Snicko detects noise - but these do not necessarily prove edges. If a bat is swung close to your face you will still hear a noise (swoosh) and still feel a breeze as it moves close to your face, but the noise will not be as loud as if it hits you, nor will the pain be a hard. If Hot Spot and Snicko show up something faint, it doesn't mean that the bat has hit the ball - it could mean that it just missed the ball. What they are looking for are big sounds and big spots. Faint ones could mean not out. I think that these third umpires need to be educated about basic physics and what Hot Spot and Snicko actually do before they start making these claims. The Ashton Agar one was by far the worst misuse of technology I have ever seen. The two against Hughes and Smith were horrors too - batsmen know when they hit it and would not refer if they had!

  • ruester on July 21, 2013, 19:43 GMT

    What a poor Aussie side. The batting line up is so very shaky, I find it hard to believe that I am actually watching a test match line up. Steve smith and Hughes have the most appalling technique against spin, how can Smith be heralded as a potential Australian captain? He bowls mostly dross, with the odd good ball and his batting will always be found out I think. Is he really a test cricketer? If he is the best that Australia can come up with then they are really in trouble. Well played England a thoroughly professional performance, Swann should of got man of the match!

  • Harmony111 on July 21, 2013, 19:41 GMT

    Aus are 0-2 down now and I really really fear that in the 3rd test they are going to collapse completely. They managed to fight a bit in the 1st test and had Eng in some trouble in both the innings but now the pressure and the glimpse of the inevitable thrashing and the fear of losing 0-5 here will start a loop where fear and failure will come one after the other. The recent 0-4 loss in India will also be in the back of their mind. Hardly any of their batsmen are in any form and Clarke alone can't do much. They don't have a single bowler who can be called dangerous although Siddle remains the only one who deserves some praise. Their batsmen are absolutely out of form and it seems they are all out of aptitude too. Calling for fresh players is useless since these players are fresh too. What can a fresh player with rotten skills do anyways?

    I am sure I am not the only one who is seeing a 0-5 here. I am sure I am not the only one who is fearing a 0-5 there (guess where :-p).

  • YorkshirePudding on July 21, 2013, 19:40 GMT

    @JCM, I stand corrected on the Smith decision, the mark was very small and i only just saw it on a 32 inch screen, I imagine the monitors in the TMS box are significantly smaller.

    However Hill did get the Agar edge wrong, i couldnt see any mark on hotspot, and even though there was a sound it sounded more like equipment than ball on bat add on the there was no noticable change in the ball and it looked like the bat missed the ball by few mm.

  • H_Z_O on July 21, 2013, 19:39 GMT

    @coldcoffee123 if we were talking about a couple of umpires you might be right. It isn't just a couple though. We're being deprived of 8 of the Elite Panel. Prior to this series, these were the 10 most experienced Test match umpires on the panel:

    Aleem Dar (81 Tests) Steve Davis (46 Tests)* Tony Hill (38 Tests) Ian Gould (34 Tests)* Rod Tucker (25 Tests)* Nigel Llong (18 Tests)* Marais Eramus (17 Tests) Kumar Dharmasena (15 Tests) Richard Kettleborough (14 Tests)* Bruce Oxenford (13 Tests)*

    The ones with asterisks were unavailable not because of logistics (like you seem to be suggesting) but because of their nationality.

    None of them were umpiring another Test series. Some were umpiring T20 and ODI matches, but the ICC keeps telling us that they consider Tests to be the pinnacle of the game. Well prove it! It's not like they couldn't have known this would be a high-profile series with neutrals around the world paying attention to it.

  • popcorn on July 21, 2013, 19:34 GMT

    The first revamp of the Aussie side is to drop Watson. He is useless. Once Darren Lehmann removes this obstacle, who is undependable,who is as explosive as a popgun, he will not have to worry about WHICH position he has to bat him on, and what bowling to give him. We then will have a settled side.Ed Cowan back as an opener with Chris Rogers, Usman Khawaja who has displayed his elegant shots and temperament at Number 3, Hughes at 4, Clarke at 5, Smith at 6,Haddin at 7.Then we have an abundance of choices from the fast bowling and spin bowling stocks.Natan Lyon should be brought back. He is a better spinner than Ashton Agar.

  • on July 21, 2013, 19:33 GMT

    Good to see Darren Pattinson getting a game for the Aussies

  • mikkkk on July 21, 2013, 19:33 GMT

    I'm almost expecting to hear Aussies start saying "wait till we get you on our pitches" ;-)

  • on July 21, 2013, 19:32 GMT

    Though the Agar decision (out) was correct because the sound and very slight movement at the perfect moment in replay!!! I think hot spot us useless it needs to be replaced by snicko ASAP

  • vampire1973 on July 21, 2013, 19:32 GMT

    as a Australian its disappointing to see our team like this but we do have ourselves to blame , were going to end up like the west indies unfortunately maybe not as bad but close and we have to bite the bullet , but i can not understand why now we are bleeding young inexperienced players as basically a whole team now when we should have when we had all the great players in our side when the series had been won ( example Ricky pointing ) you would have a roll on of players who would have had ground experience in a winning format with all the greats specially towards the twilight of there careers you just have to look at the Indian team. the ACB have a lot to answer for , the current side is maybe 4-5 yrs from being really competitive we just have to stick with these guys for now and hope they develop we need a alllan border and bob Simpson attitude from top to bottom and start over again

  • on July 21, 2013, 19:22 GMT

    I really would feel sorry for the Aussie supporters however I remember spending years watching Englands bowling being taken apart by the likes of Gilchrist, Hayden, Ponting etc and our batsmen suffering at the hands of Warne, Mcgragh, Lee etc. So instead, i'm going to sit here being smug and make the most of it, because lets be honest, it's not going to last!

  • Mayan820 on July 21, 2013, 19:14 GMT

    Let me state from the outset that I am a Protea fan watching this Ashes series, I don't like the Ausie cricketers and their fans even less, because the majority of them are just too full of themselves, BUT I have to admit that some insane decisions by the 3rd umpire went against them in this 2nd test match. Let us begin with the decision to give Ian Bell not out on 3, when he was CLEARLY out caught. He went on to score 78, so this was a MAJOR injustice. Worse would follow, however. S. Smith was given out by the 3rd umpire on hot spot evidence, which was correct, because there was a little spot where ball brushed the bat. Fast forward and we get to the dismissal of A. Agar. The 3rd umpire overturned the on field "not out" decision and gave him out on zero evidence from hot spot?? Please explain this logic to me. These 3rd umpires have to seriously make up their minds. Use hot spot and use it consistently or discard it all together, because the way they use it at the moment is a joke.

  • on July 21, 2013, 19:10 GMT

    alex doolan and shaun marsh in cowan, hughes and Watson out

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 19:09 GMT

    @Deuce03... because I don't HAVE to. Let us put it this way.... If cake is available all the time to me, I am not obliged to eat it every single time. Technology is there in the world yes. But cricket can choose to use it or not. I loved the smooth flow of the game when Pattinson+Harris were batting, w/o mindless interruptions from DRS. I do not care if the umpires got the LBWs right/wrong. Just live with it. And the players DID live with it in the past and surely can continue to live in future as well. Only when LBWs involve a potential inside edge, tech may be used to avoid a potential howler (just the way the umpires use tech for no balls w/o being poked by the players to do so). This feeling of compulsion to get the pitch, height, trajectory correct to a nanometer is crazy, not required and does not constitute a "howler". Leave LBW to the on-field umpires. There is no reason for the players to review LBW calls questioning the pitch, height, trajector

  • hhillbumper on July 21, 2013, 19:09 GMT

    Shane Watson is an all rounder who opens the innings.He got out bowled in this series by Root and out batted.It could be wrose though.Imagine if half the England team weren't going through a dry spell.Prior should have had Clarke early and Swann deserved another five for

  • on July 21, 2013, 19:07 GMT

    Its unfair on swann,he has to be man of the match...he claim nine wickets,makes 28 runs not out in first innings.runs by root were not so important as England had a big lead already and did not give follow on.Disagree on Man of the match theories...why does a bowler not favored against the batsmen...

  • on July 21, 2013, 19:00 GMT

    another great win for England, Aussies were a none event!

  • Sadiq1952 on July 21, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    It is very disappointing to see the once upon a time the mighty Aussies in complete disarray. The batting performance is pathetic and bowling pretty average. Reminds me of the hard times that the west Indies team went through until their recent recovery. What is particularly shocking is the complete inability of the Aussie top batsmen to face spin bowling. Even part timers like Root demolished some of the top bats. On the other hand Roots and Bell merrily clobbered the spin attack of the Aussies in the second innings. Don't know if there can be a recovery in this particular Ashes series but they really need to take a hard look. I also thought while the English players played a positive and attacking batting game the Aussies were overly defensive and lost wickets like 9 pins just doing that. This is at least one strategic change they can make in their next game. It's much better to end up losing by fighting than to hand over the game on a platter.

  • hhillbumper on July 21, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    England still need some work.Their top order is not firing and their bowling is too reliant on Anderson. i would drop Swann,Broad and Bresnan. Drop Cook and Trott. Bring in five other players with limited talent.Still they could beat the best that Aus have got.

    I would say it was sad to have seen a team fallen so low but having lived through 18 years of hurt pretty much could watch Aus lose everyday. They are playing so poorly they make the Indian cricket team of 2011 look good and they were the worst team I ever saw play in this country.

    Glad bringing in Lehmann did so much to change the standards.Even Root is a better spinner than anything Aus have.

    What happens when England play well as a team? It could get really ugly

  • on July 21, 2013, 18:51 GMT

    Congratulations to England. It is fair to say that England were the best team for most of the test match. However, their victory was also aided by some seriously ridiculous and POOR umpiring I've seen in a long time. The standard of officiating in this series overall has been pathetic but more so in this test match. Some unfair rulings against Australia in the 2nd innings. But in the end, it wouldn't have mattered because Australia were outplayed and badly bruised in every angle. It will take GOD to lift up Australia from here on. 3 more games to go in this series and it's looking highly likely of an English victory in each one of them.

  • on July 21, 2013, 18:22 GMT

    warner watson katich clarke khawja hodge haddin lyon siddle harris Pattinson

  • on July 21, 2013, 18:16 GMT

    Australia need a Brade Hodge Michael Klingar in the Test Team

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 21, 2013, 17:21 GMT

    @coldcoffee123 (post on July 21, 2013, 15:28 GMT): I don't think the likes of Clarke, Siddle and Harris have done much wrong to be fair. Haddin is also streaks ahead of the likes of Wade IMO. The rest either have to start playing to their potential, or Aus. selectors are just going to have to admit that they got it all wrong and built a team based on short-format talent/form only. People are still crying out for the likes of Warner to come back... Why? Crease-occupation mean nothing these days to Aus.?

    I really hope England don't start making the same mistakes, and select Morgan for next game if KP is a non-starter. Morgan = Hughes/Warner, = short-format specialist only! Geoff Boycott said so as well on air, so must be true :-)

  • RandyOZ on July 21, 2013, 17:17 GMT

    I hope Boof reads them the riot act after this batting performance. I have paid a ridiculous amount for 3rd test tickets

  • Deuce03 on July 21, 2013, 17:11 GMT

    coldcoffee123: But if there's cake on the table, why wouldn't you eat it?

  • on July 21, 2013, 17:09 GMT

    Joe Root routed Australia

  • on July 21, 2013, 17:03 GMT

    Got to admit, i've always been in favour of using technology in cricket. It's always seemed incredible to me, that for years people in the crowd, and everyone watching at home can see that the umpires made a mistake within seconds and I stand by that. No technology will ever be 100%, nothing is. However to my mind, the problems with DRS are to do with the human element. There should be proper training, with very strict guidelines and ultimately there should have to be distinct evidence to over turn the on field decision, otherwise it should stand. I don't support the idea of ditching DRS and going back to umpiring mistakes being left to stand.

  • shrastogi on July 21, 2013, 16:25 GMT

    As Aussies slump to a humiliating defeat one would like to have a feel for their bowlers. In modern cricket if you lose the toss and on a normal pitch restrict the side batting first to below 400-450 you've done a decent job. There was nothing in the pitch to suggest a 128 scoreline for Aussies in first innings - they have scored more in the second innings where ball is helping spinners.The spineless batting would have its effect on rest of the series where England would come more hard at them. The famous Aussie mental toughness is nowhere seen in its batsmen. Tailenders can bail you out once in a while but you cant pick a bowler for his batting as seems to be case for Agar. So Aussies set your batting in order or perish.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 16:23 GMT

    How many of you feel relieved when both teams exhaust their reviews, and the game from then on is played the old fashioned and much more respectful way, with the the players accepting umpires' decisions, whether good or bad, on the chin and move on?? Cricket needs to resort to the old ways, with the only addition that if there is a blatant howler, the TV umpire should chip in and overrule. And for God's sakes, keep LBW solely with the on-field umpires. It is OK if the umpire gets it wrong. The players and spectators have taken it on the chin in the past, and there is no reason why they can't in the future. Accept that umpires are humans and not Superman's cousins from planet kryptonite.

  • H_Z_O on July 21, 2013, 16:06 GMT

    @parthaacs because the flaw is with the umpires, not the technology. Tony Hill has made plenty of equally horrendous decisions as an on-field umpire. As has Erasmus (who made a bad DRS decision with the Trott lbw at Trent Bridge).

    The benefit for India is that they can have English umpires against the Aussies and Australian umpires against the English. Since 4 of the Elite Panel are English and 4 are Australian, you've got more choice of umpires. Kettleborough, for example, was umpire for two of your home Tests against Australia while Tucker was umpire for 2 against us.

    @palavadisuresh not a failure of the DRS, but of the umpiring.

    As for the BCCI's view on DRS, I have my own theory about their motivation and it's nothing to do with the reliability of the technology. But it's not worth arguing about when this was clearly not a DRS failure but an umpiring one.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 16:05 GMT

    @H_Z_O, it is not about using the best umpires. The best umpires can't be there for every match being played in the world. The issue is how to use technology judiciously, the role of third umpires, improving technology etc...

  • YorkshirePudding on July 21, 2013, 16:03 GMT

    @mikkkk, unfortunaltely not everyone has access to sky, so some of us are left to rely on the commentary from the radio, and the commentators on TMS stated they couldnt see anything on hotspot on their monitors.

    @jcm, it could be they have poor monitors as it was in the TMS box, I'll wait till I see the hightlights on C5.

    I'd also like to see another of the dismissals as there was only a 'noise' not a hotspot, but i wnat to see the replays to be 100% certain.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 15:58 GMT

    Cricket should go back to the way it was played in the 1990's where the TV umpire was used only for run-outs. Get rid of snicko, hot spot, blue LBW stripe, stump noise for edges. Just because there is technology, it does not mean you have to use it. Just because there is cake on the table, does not mean you must eat it.

  • mikkkk on July 21, 2013, 15:55 GMT

    @Greatest_Game

    In which case you don't understand irony. The point he was making was who is going to make up the SA contingent. It was hardly subtle.

  • tests_the_best on July 21, 2013, 15:54 GMT

    Looks like Aus are heading for a summer of pain. Reminds me of the Ind tour of Eng in 2011. In that series, like this one, the first test was the closest of all tests after which it went steadily downhill. Don't see Aus getting much better. Maybe Warner being back third test onwards might change things a bit. I think especially considering the good bowling unit Aus have, their best bet in the remaining ones is to bat first, score in excess of 275-300 and then put pressure on Eng. I suppose even some Eng fans wouldn't want the Ashes to be done and dusted by the end of the third one.

  • EnglishCricket on July 21, 2013, 15:52 GMT

    Very one-sided test match. Strangely its only number 2 out out of 10 Ashes test.

  • Batesta on July 21, 2013, 15:48 GMT

    When all is considered, this Lords match is going to be remembered for the complete ineptitude of the Australian batting line up...... that is something that even a die hard Aussie fan like myself will have to acknowledge.....

    But there is one positive that we can take from this game........... we have had a better match then the third umpire!!!!!!!

    And wait..... here is another one - Haddin has just been given out to an LBW that was not even hitting the wicket...... I guess you can argue that if you don't offer a shot then you deserve to lose the benefit of the doubt..... but the ball should still be hitting, pitched on leg and spinning means that few are going to hit the stumps.

  • thelapal on July 21, 2013, 15:44 GMT

    Every australian thought their team is giving great fight after 1st test match and were hoping that its going to be great series .. there is every chance from here on england will win every test match in less than 3 days if australia batting and bowling wont improve. What is smith doing in test cricket he is a pure ODI and T20 Batsmen and phil huges has huge weakness towards spin bowling every team member knows it. There should be no phil hughes and no smith in test cricket bring back kevin wade in place of haddin he is good on english tracks. The bowling line up needs some tweaking mitchel johnson and starc should find a place and pattinson and harris should be given balcony tickets.Its time for agar to sit and enjoy some tea with snacks in balcony after that heroric first innings batting. No australian can confirm about Smith and Agar weather they are strong in batting or bowling if someone has to play test cricket they should be top in either of this ..no more allrounders please.

  • Greatest_Game on July 21, 2013, 15:43 GMT

    At 162 for 8, the only remaining question is whether Australia will limit their loss to under 400 runs?

  • on July 21, 2013, 15:40 GMT

    Sad to say, this Australian team is more of athletes than cricketers. Need to ge the likes of Ponting back in the team.

  • voma on July 21, 2013, 15:35 GMT

    For sure Australia have had some terrible umpiring decisions go against them in this series , but they cannot escape the fact that there performance with the bat has been terrible . In this test , England struggled in both innings getting started . But they have depth in there squad , to see off the aussie bowling threat .New zealand posed a bigger challenge , in the previous series

  • on July 21, 2013, 15:34 GMT

    Interesting utilisation of the DRS, the umpire gave it not out, the batsman was adamant he didn't hit it, hot spot backed up the batsmen, yet the third umpire gives the batsman out. I don't understand. Seems like a gross misuse of the system by the third umpire. I believed India were just being petulant when they refuse to use DRS in any of their series, but after watching the first two Ashes Tests I believe they are well justified in their decision. Honestly it has created more problems than solutions. Thankfully it will have no impact on the result of this Test, but one day there will be hell to pay when it affects the result of a tight game.

  • H_Z_O on July 21, 2013, 15:32 GMT

    That was a horrendous decision from Tony Hill. I think Agar probably hit it, but how the Third Umpire can be sure enough to overturn the on-field decision with nothing more than a noise is beyond me.

    However, as Michael Holding said on commentary, that's not a failure of DRS. If the Third Umpire either a) thinks that was conclusive or b) doesn't understand that DRS is supposed to uphold the on-field umpire's decision without conclusive evidence of a wrong decision, that's a failure of the umpiring, not the technology.

    It's no different to the Trott lbw which I still think Erasmus got wrong. Not because Trott was necessarily not-out, but because even if he was out, Erasmus couldn't be sure enough to overturn it without even looking at side-on Hotspot.

    We shouldn't be debating the DRS here, we should be debating if the insistence on having neutral umpires is depriving this series of the best available umpires. I don't understand why we can't have one Aussie umpire and one English one.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 15:32 GMT

    Had Aus followed on, this would have been a Innings Defeat.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 15:28 GMT

    Funny that all 11 spots in the Aussie line up are up for grabs !! Any decent Aussie youngster must be licking his lips.

  • ODI_BestFormOfCricket on July 21, 2013, 15:27 GMT

    Is still anybody there on earth supporting hotspot? there is another example of this 'foolproof' technology's failure (agar's dismissal). As a supporter of bcci stand, i am very happy about it.

  • IntegralCoach on July 21, 2013, 15:25 GMT

    Clark is the biggest issue here. He may be a good batsman and be tactically sound, but his ability to lead is fundamentally floored.

  • on July 21, 2013, 15:25 GMT

    I think What Australia needs right now is to just take time to get off the mark, rather than starting in an offensive fashion.Coz that never works in a place like England. And perhaps Michael Clark should send Brad Haddin to open up, as he's their in form batsman and always has to play under pressure without any good partner at the other end

  • 2MikeGattings on July 21, 2013, 15:23 GMT

    3rd ump had no business overturning the on field call for Agar's wicket. Insufficient evidence, same problem as Trott lbw in 1st test.

  • Ytjuh on July 21, 2013, 15:23 GMT

    This 3rd umpire is an absolute joke! To be fair australia have been really poor this test. But England has had all the luck on their side. Smiths catch that everybody saw except the 3rd ump, Agars dismissal, no spot on hot-spot, sound only after the ball past the bat. Absolutely ridiculous!!

  • parthaacs on July 21, 2013, 15:23 GMT

    What is the point of DRS and the millions being spent on it and still get bad decisions I would rather my board dont spend the million, I completely agree with BCCI stand

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 15:18 GMT

    Human intelligence has taken a trashing at the hands of technology. I shudder at the state of the human race 150 years into the future.

  • Greatest_Game on July 21, 2013, 15:18 GMT

    @ Long-Leg. I am no defender of electric_loco_WAP4, but he wrote nothing about Compton being a Saffer. Nothing. Thus I wonder why you insist, with such, vigour that because the names Pietersen & Compton are used in the same sentence this automatically means he is claiming Comptin to be a Saffer? You seem overly sensitive about the plain fact that Compton grew up, and learned to play cricket, in South Africa, while still remaining a British citizen. There is NOTHING wrong with learning cricket in SA! I did, starting at 5 years old. Prior, Pietersen, Trott, Meaker, lumb, Kieswetter, Dernbach, Alan Lamb, Tony Greig, Chris Smith, Robin Smith …the list goes on and on - all learned cricket in SA, and represented England. Oh, and Nick Compton too! From Compton's Cricinfo profile: "Compton was raised in South Africa and only arrived in the UK as a teenager." FACT: Compton received his early cricket training in South Africa. Accept that, and please stop insisting it is not the case!

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 21, 2013, 15:11 GMT

    If KP had been fit, he could be out there bowling his offies as well. Anybody with tickets for tomorrow? Getting nervous yet?

  • please_concentrate on July 21, 2013, 15:09 GMT

    @yorkshire. There was a faint spot on hotspot, an audible noise, and snicko showed clearly that the ball had nicked the bat. The decision was fine

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 15:08 GMT

    Honestly, I find Agar's batting more confident and purposeful, as well as pleasing to watch. When he goes big, the ball goes past the boundary ropes. When he defends, the ball falls dead under his eyes.

  • phunny_game on July 21, 2013, 15:06 GMT

    I feel the current condition of the Aussie lineup is also due to Clarke in a way... His persistence to bat at 5 maybe justified by the stats, but does that mean all the other batsmen should be floated up and down after every match?? Hughes played the last match of India tour at no.3, first ashes test at 6, and now this one at 4... How are players supposed to thrive, when they are not even sure of their role in the team...

  • sebastian114 on July 21, 2013, 15:06 GMT

    As a West Indian i'm seriously enjoying this hiding Australia are receiving as over the years of woe for windies all the negatives were sounded about we just not good enough denigrating our players for playing calypso cricket and all the other humiliations heaped on the Windies team in that period but alas oh how the mighty have fallen where are the next crop of Aussie greats gonna come from looking at what they put out now and who is in waiting the Aussies could see some years of advantage just like we did

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on July 21, 2013, 15:05 GMT

    Cook yet again proves why he's the best captain in the world, with leg slip fields and a variety of tricks that best the Aussies. Australia are 6 down now, and totally destroyed. They're going to have to drop their entire team for the next test if they want to save face, we're all so used to seeing England be better at Australia but this is new levels of dominance. Played two, Won two for England. I said before the series that I hope Oz support doesn't vanish like it did last Ashes (where row upon row of empty seats in the stadiums cast a shadow over the consistency of support in Australia when things aren't going well for the national team. I hope the same doesn't happen in this series, especially given that Australia are on course for an Ashes whitewash at the hands of England.

  • on July 21, 2013, 15:05 GMT

    @Yorkshire Pudding: how could you think HotSpot suggested Smith didn't edge the ball? Were you watching the same screen as the rest of us? That white spark was as clear as Venus in the night sky! Smith was given out by the umpire and there was no evidence to overturn the original decision. The right result happened.

  • mikkkk on July 21, 2013, 15:04 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding Good job DRS isnt done by radio as the DRS on the TV showed he was out so no sympathy.

  • jmcilhinney on July 21, 2013, 15:03 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding on (July 21, 2013, 14:47 GMT), I don't know what coverage those radio commentators were watching but they are just plain wrong. There was a mark on the bat clearly visible on HotSpot. It was a small mark, no doubt, but it was clear as a bell. It wasn't there on one frame before the ball passed the bat and then it was there in the next frame after the ball passed and it was at the exact height that the ball passed. I'm just staggered at the number of people who are criticising DRS and the umpires when the only thing that is faulty is their own eyesight. Smith was clearly out; no doubt about it. Just like Hughes, there was a sound in real time, there was a mark on HotSpot and it was all backed up later by Snicko.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 15:03 GMT

    117/9, 128/10, 136/6. Not good for even a T20 match. I do not know why Australia are playing for 5 days if this is what they think is a decent score to win Ashes.

  • on July 21, 2013, 15:02 GMT

    It gets from bad to worse from Australia. Just when they look to be putting up some semblance of a fight, they stupidly lose wickets to a part-time bowler and then waste another review. Have any other England fans been slightly bemused and disappointed by the lack of perkiness and bottle from the Aussies in this match? We didn't play at our best in the first match, and Australia, playing with grit and determination, managed to drag us close. This though, has been a humiliation. Their batting is weak from top to number eight. Chris Rogers I expected more from. Michael Clarke has been a disappointment. Usman Khawaja showed some application - Australia should stick with him and see how he goes.

  • MartinC on July 21, 2013, 14:58 GMT

    A brief interlude of actual Test batting from Australia over and normal service resumes - runs are irrelevant in this situation its about batting time - so why was Steve Smith driving on the up with no foot movement? Poor shot but even worse thinking!

    It seems the only answer Australia have to England's attack is to ram them in the back with a shoulder charge .....

  • jmcilhinney on July 21, 2013, 14:56 GMT

    I hope all those people who claimed that Phil Hughes was not out in the first innings were watching when Steve Smith was dismissed in the second innings. Smith obviously believed he hadn't hit it, given how quickly and confidently he reviewed, yet I don't see how anyone could argue that he didn't based on the evidence available. Given that the only evidence that Hughes hadn't hit the ball was the fact that he too obviously didn't think he hit it, that means that there was basically no evidence at all. He was just plain out. The only person who has any gripe about his dismissal in this game if Chris Rogers, and his gripe would be with Shane Watson as much as anyone else.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 21, 2013, 14:53 GMT

    agree with those saying Root has all but nailed the MoM award, the only person that could take it from him is Swann if he gets another 5'fer, making it a 10+ wicket hall in the game

  • 2MikeGattings on July 21, 2013, 14:48 GMT

    Khawaja took Swann out, but someone needed to body check Root. #teamwork

  • YorkshirePudding on July 21, 2013, 14:47 GMT

    I feel sorry for Steve Smith everything on the radio suggested hed not hit the ball, no hotspot etc, Are the umpires trying to discredit the system or gain control.

    I'm also amazed at how poor the umpires have been in these tests, we need more umpires on the elite panel to prevent them burning out, and especially a few more from the sub-continent.

    IF DRS was working properly then you could have home umpires again with a neutral on the DRS.

  • Greatest_Game on July 21, 2013, 14:41 GMT

    I have a sneaking suspicion that Joe Root just might be the odds on favorite to win the Player of the Match Award. A little contribution with the bat, a couple of useful overs with the ball - they all add up, don't they?

  • 2MikeGattings on July 21, 2013, 14:37 GMT

    And wickets for Root. Think we can close the book for man of the match.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 14:35 GMT

    Too much spin in the pitch. Ball turning square. Reminds of India-SL semifinal In 1996 WC. Even Lara would find it difficult to survive. I pity the Aussie position. They can't draw. No team in the world. past,present or future can draw on this pitch.

  • Iddo555 on July 21, 2013, 14:33 GMT

    Joe Root having a dream game. 180 runs and 2 wickets.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 14:27 GMT

    @Ian Milne ... Henriques was on India tour. What happened? Stop chopping, changing with every match. These players are the best in Australia. Unfortunately the best are worse than the worst of the previous generation.

  • Iddo555 on July 21, 2013, 14:18 GMT

    Showing a bit of fight here the aussies which is good to see. They have to show that they are more than just sloggers.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 14:16 GMT

    ONLY 450 more needed. Yes, ONLY 450.

  • Long-Leg on July 21, 2013, 14:10 GMT

    @electric_loco_WAP4: For the umpteenth time, Compton is English and not South African. He was educated in England at public school, and learned his cricket in England. However, the real clincher for me is that there is a 'Compton' stand at Lords (the home of English cricket) named after his illustrious forebear. Just because you are born in a stable it doesn't make you a horse.

  • on July 21, 2013, 14:08 GMT

    It is plain as the nose on your face, most of these tried before and failed batsmen that we have on this Ashes tour are not up to the job. So lets send them home and bring in some guys with up and coming hope. Out with Cowan, Rogers and Hughes. Watson can bowl as well as make 20s and 30 before he is out LBW. Smith can be handy. Lets pick up a few from the Aus A squad Like Doolan, Maddison, Henriques and Paine. I reckon they will do better than the mentioned feckless imposters of batsmen.

  • HansonKoch on July 21, 2013, 14:08 GMT

    That's it: Khawaja's 50 means he's in the side for the rest of the series. That's all it takes. (Unless you're Ashton Agar)

  • on July 21, 2013, 14:05 GMT

    England helping themselves in this test... only positive for australia is khwaja he looks a way better player than cowan for sure

  • on July 21, 2013, 14:00 GMT

    Philips Watson and Haddin need to Go. Rogers if he does not turn A good performance in next two games need to go also. Stop mucking around with talent looking for next warnie. It all seems simple but Aussie selectors are doing a very poor job

  • on July 21, 2013, 13:54 GMT

    The ill effects of T-20 is what Australias poor performance is ,Also the prolonged non selection of Usman Khwaja,the retention of Shane Watson in the top order are all contributing to the decline of Australa.Things have reached to a stage where ,When Aussie Bowlers bowl well,Australia lose closely,If they fail,they are literally knocked out.Micheal Clarke Should stepdown and pure test batsmen like Katich and Hussey should be recalled for an 18 month rebuilding session,Else Austrailian cricket will go down the way of WI Cricket.

  • on July 21, 2013, 13:37 GMT

    Me : "Dad, I have bought new binoculars". Dad: "You'll need those to spot Australia's talent."

  • BradmanBestEver on July 21, 2013, 12:56 GMT

    The main problem is Aussie batting is not test standard and Aussies do not have a test standard spinner. The pace attack is OK but England have been more consistent so far. Probably, this is just a learning issue with English conditions for the pacemen.

    How to solve the main problem? You can not in the short term.

    In the long term, the 1st class competition must be improved. The responsibility falls on CA. The buck stops there - just like a board of directors in a poor-performing company. Will be interesting to see how they react to the recent performances. A board of directors often sacks the CEO in such circumstances for a poor-performing company. But what will CA do? Only time will tell.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 12:54 GMT

    @croneyes.... "Might as well clear the decks and bring in some new blood.".... The blood has dried up in Australia. Cricket will die soon in Australia, just like Tennis.

  • heathrf1974 on July 21, 2013, 12:53 GMT

    I hope we can bat out the day to get some form of respectability. For the next test I would make the following changes, maybe consider Warner and drop Agar for Lyon, drop Pattinson for Bird, plus see the fitness for Harris. There's not a lot else the Aussies can do. I'm seeing from their point of view, with this side if we can maintain a test world ranking of 3 or 4 then we're doing okay. I'll also be interested to see how the revitalized Indian side goes overseas in tests.

  • on July 21, 2013, 12:46 GMT

    Watson overrated. Far to predictable - comes forward, gets off balance and pinged on the pads time and time again. You would think an athlete at this level would have the brains to figure it out - clearly not in his case. 3 more tests to go, I would love to see a fighting of it, but the Aussies seem to have taken the loss in the first test the wrong way and doing what there predecessors did.

  • on July 21, 2013, 12:40 GMT

    Aussies have made hard work of the conditions, made a seemingly good England side look invincible against some pretty ordinary bowling. I wonder how England would shape against a stronger attack, like Sri Lanka, India and South Africa. The absence of a game breaking spinner in this pitch is anvil us.

  • on July 21, 2013, 12:35 GMT

    England have played well, used all advantages, some not so pre

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on July 21, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    Now that K Pieterson has been retired hurt by Aus pace attack who comes in to fill the Quota? Compton?

  • on July 21, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    The first test was a close contest all because of Ashton Agar's dramatic debut innings of 98, which kept Australia in touch with England. With such a high total to chase would he continue to bat without a thought in the world?

  • YorkshirePudding on July 21, 2013, 11:56 GMT

    Lets not gloat until the last wicket falls, England fans should remember the way Collingwood and Bell batted in in similar circumstances to save the test.

  • Pritt32 on July 21, 2013, 11:55 GMT

    Worst Ashes campaign as it is so one sided. Australia is sinking so fast. What is wrong with the Australian side? England will win all matches and create further humiliation. The Aussies lost 4-0 against a much improved Indian team. Follow the policy of Indian team by bringing young players and dropping under performing players. The Australia team is going through a very patch.

  • on July 21, 2013, 11:53 GMT

    aussies wake up u can never beat england with this team drop watson who always gets out early nd leaves the rest of the team in trouble some people say hes an experienced player he has to prove it nd taking about the numer 3 position its always been a problem fr aus first cowan nd now khwaja non of them can perform

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 21, 2013, 11:49 GMT

    At long last - that should be the end of short-format specialists like Warner and Hughes now. Surely no way back into test cricket after recent performances? Katich back for next game; proper test-standard batsmen in; decent test bowlers like O'Keefe and McKay in...

  • thebrotherswaugh on July 21, 2013, 11:42 GMT

    2/32 already, Roger left a straight one from Swann. Hughes & Khawaja have both feet firmly planted behind the crease to Swann, so at least they won't be stumped, but it's only a matter of time. OZ should start playing to their strengths. Our batsmen have quickly degenerated to become the joke of world cricket, synonymous with ineptitude and failure. We have a decent pace attack with some good guys on the fringes. Why not select 5 bowlers? It's not as if the extra batsmen will amount to much, and it looks like we'll be doing plenty of bowling. Bird or Starc in and assess the usefulness of retaining an average spinner after the 3rd test - Agar needs to take wickets, we can't afford to 'carry' another bowler in the hopes of unearthing an all-rounder, we've been down that road too many times in the past (Johnson and Watson spring to mind). I've got an early start tomorrow, so I'm off to bed, and I'll be mightily surprised if OZ are still batting at the end of the 4th day.

  • Iddo555 on July 21, 2013, 11:40 GMT

    Agar 0-98 Swann 2-4

    club cricketer vs test match spinner

  • gibboj on July 21, 2013, 11:39 GMT

    can we finally drop Watson now

  • baranasai on July 21, 2013, 11:38 GMT

    I Think the writing is on the wall. The Aussies are going to be heavily defeated for the first time in recent years with innings and 350 runs+ runs I was pinning my hope on shane Watson to score atleast 100 runs in 2nd innings. It will be a big struggle for the rest of Clarkes team. The way English bowlers are bowling there is no chance for Baggy green players. I think the recent veterans must be really watching with horror. It is what windies went through - dominated by aussies all the time till recently. Well done Cookie

  • TommytuckerSaffa on July 21, 2013, 11:36 GMT

    Good to see Watson sticking to form and scoring another 'solid' 30 runs. I see he still hasnt ironed out that technical issue of sticking his big pad down the wicket and using it as a shield to fend off deliveries.

    Now its over to Hughes and the Pakistani Khawaja. Lets see how their fare on this pretty flat pitch.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 11:36 GMT

    This Watson front foot debate (Artherton in the commentary box), is exactly why T20 is hardly considered proper cricket. Who would have questioned Watson's batting in T20 and ODI. But here in Tests, his technical faults are unraveling. To bat in T20s, you do not need to be a quality batsman. Even technical faults don't matter. The emphasis is purely on winning/losing a game and the points table, with no importance to the game of cricket itself. For example, a bowler who bowls 4 overs for 24 runs and no wickets is considered a hero and might win the man of the Match. Swann bowling to Hughes with 5 fielders around his neck is just gold. I will take this any day over T20.

  • Iddo555 on July 21, 2013, 11:25 GMT

    Swann is going to rip through this team for less than 100

  • croneyes on July 21, 2013, 11:21 GMT

    Both Aussie openers gone with 32 runs on the board chasing over 500. Watson again out LBW. Rogers shoulders arms to a straight one from Swann and is bowled. What a fantastic start by apparently Australia's best cricketers. Sorry but I have switched off, I cannot cope with the pain of this inept team's consistent failures. Might as well clear the decks and bring in some new blood.

  • hhillbumper on July 21, 2013, 11:19 GMT

    bye bye australia.You came telling us you had the greatest team ever.If you want to produce them now would be a good time

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 11:18 GMT

    On this pitch, with Swann, I don't see Aus crossing 175.

  • thebrotherswaugh on July 21, 2013, 11:17 GMT

    Congrats to Root on an excellent innings. Watson just fell for 20, looking in decent form after hitting three 4's, mode of dismissal all too predictable - amazed he didn't review it, went against his natural instincts because of the furore his earlier review caused. Just what OZ needed when all we can hope to do is survive. One wicket down already. Can OZ at least show some fight and build a 350-400 total over the next day-and-a-half. Very unlikely as we lose wickets in bundles and have forgotten what a decent partnership feels like (barring the wagging tail). I reckon 200 to 220 all out, but I hope I'm totally wrong (though it could be worse). There's nothing wrong with the wicket, so we can't use that as an excuse. The bowlers have well & truly earned a good rest.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    On this cobra pitch, I do not see Aus crossing 175.

  • Dazako on July 21, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    Bring back Cowan for Watson, he's had his last chance in first 2 tests of this series and failed to go past 50. I would much prefer a grafted out 30 from 100 balls that tires out Anderson and takes the shine off the ball, than a flashy 30 off 20 balls which inspires the bowlers. In an innings where we should be blocking and stonewalling a la Faf du Plesis Watson continues to play big shots.

  • Dazako on July 21, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    Bring back Cowan for Watson, he's had his last chance in first 2 tests of this series and failed to go past 50. I would much prefer a grafted out 30 from 100 balls that tires out Anderson and takes the shine off the ball, than a flashy 30 off 20 balls which inspires the bowlers. In an innings where we should be blocking and stonewalling a la Faf du Plesis Watson continues to play big shots.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    On this cobra pitch, I do not see Aus crossing 175.

  • thebrotherswaugh on July 21, 2013, 11:17 GMT

    Congrats to Root on an excellent innings. Watson just fell for 20, looking in decent form after hitting three 4's, mode of dismissal all too predictable - amazed he didn't review it, went against his natural instincts because of the furore his earlier review caused. Just what OZ needed when all we can hope to do is survive. One wicket down already. Can OZ at least show some fight and build a 350-400 total over the next day-and-a-half. Very unlikely as we lose wickets in bundles and have forgotten what a decent partnership feels like (barring the wagging tail). I reckon 200 to 220 all out, but I hope I'm totally wrong (though it could be worse). There's nothing wrong with the wicket, so we can't use that as an excuse. The bowlers have well & truly earned a good rest.

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 11:18 GMT

    On this pitch, with Swann, I don't see Aus crossing 175.

  • hhillbumper on July 21, 2013, 11:19 GMT

    bye bye australia.You came telling us you had the greatest team ever.If you want to produce them now would be a good time

  • croneyes on July 21, 2013, 11:21 GMT

    Both Aussie openers gone with 32 runs on the board chasing over 500. Watson again out LBW. Rogers shoulders arms to a straight one from Swann and is bowled. What a fantastic start by apparently Australia's best cricketers. Sorry but I have switched off, I cannot cope with the pain of this inept team's consistent failures. Might as well clear the decks and bring in some new blood.

  • Iddo555 on July 21, 2013, 11:25 GMT

    Swann is going to rip through this team for less than 100

  • coldcoffee123 on July 21, 2013, 11:36 GMT

    This Watson front foot debate (Artherton in the commentary box), is exactly why T20 is hardly considered proper cricket. Who would have questioned Watson's batting in T20 and ODI. But here in Tests, his technical faults are unraveling. To bat in T20s, you do not need to be a quality batsman. Even technical faults don't matter. The emphasis is purely on winning/losing a game and the points table, with no importance to the game of cricket itself. For example, a bowler who bowls 4 overs for 24 runs and no wickets is considered a hero and might win the man of the Match. Swann bowling to Hughes with 5 fielders around his neck is just gold. I will take this any day over T20.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on July 21, 2013, 11:36 GMT

    Good to see Watson sticking to form and scoring another 'solid' 30 runs. I see he still hasnt ironed out that technical issue of sticking his big pad down the wicket and using it as a shield to fend off deliveries.

    Now its over to Hughes and the Pakistani Khawaja. Lets see how their fare on this pretty flat pitch.

  • baranasai on July 21, 2013, 11:38 GMT

    I Think the writing is on the wall. The Aussies are going to be heavily defeated for the first time in recent years with innings and 350 runs+ runs I was pinning my hope on shane Watson to score atleast 100 runs in 2nd innings. It will be a big struggle for the rest of Clarkes team. The way English bowlers are bowling there is no chance for Baggy green players. I think the recent veterans must be really watching with horror. It is what windies went through - dominated by aussies all the time till recently. Well done Cookie