West Indies v Australia, 2nd ODI, Kingstown March 17, 2012

West Indies aim for greater discipline

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Match facts

March 18, Arnos Vale
Start time 0930 (1330 GMT)

Big Picture

The first match on Friday revealed what a slow surface St Vincent had to offer. Australia's batsmen struggled to get in properly and even when they were well settled, trying to adjust the scoring rate up was nearly always fatal. Fortunately, they had just enough men who made starts to allow them to pass 200. Against a West Indian batting group that lacked discipline, that was enough. Apart from one promising partnership between Dwayne Bravo and Marlon Samuels, and then a few late blows from Darren Sammy, the batting display from West Indies was disheartening. Their batsmen need to put a higher price on their wickets and ensure 50 overs are batted out.

"We played irresponsibly," the captain Sammy said after the game. "We lost a few early wickets and then we had a partnership but then once that partnership was broken we just lost our way in the middle. It is something we really have to work on and work on it very fast because come Sunday, we have to do battle again."

West Indies should know how to play at Arnos Vale, for they have won 17 of the 21 one-day internationals they have played at the venue. But they have now lost 13 consecutive ODIs to Australia, leaving aside one wash-out, and they need to quickly find a way to end that streak. Things might be different if West Indies bat first, for chasing on such a sluggish surface cannot be easy. The Australians have a second spinner, Nathan Lyon, in their squad and given the pitch and the fact that Xavier Doherty took four wickets in the opening game, there will be a temptation to bring Lyon in alongside Doherty.

Form guide

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In the spotlight

Australian fans have heard on the grape-vine about the promising Darren Bravo, but Friday's ODI was the first time he had played against the Australians. He was run out for 4, which didn't reveal much about what he will offer in this series. But should Bravo play a composed innings at No.4, it will go a long way to West Indies being more competitive than they were in the first game.

Xavier Doherty experienced the best and the worst of international cricket on Friday. Marlon Samuels welcomed him by launching three sixes down the ground in his first over but he fought back to take four wickets. Doherty can turn the ball sharply at times but it's his subtle changes that can make him a tricky proposition in the shorter formats, and he will again me a key man on Sunday given the slow surface.

Team news

Tino Best and the spinner Devendra Bishoo are the extra members of the West Indies squad. Given how Australia struggled against the spin of Sunil Narine and Marlon Samuels, it will be tempting for the selectors to bring in Bishoo, perhaps at the expense of Andre Russell.

West Indies (possible) 1 Kieran Powell, 2 Johnson Charles, 3 Marlon Samuels, 4 Darren Bravo, 5 Dwayne Bravo, 6 Kieron Pollard, 7 Carlton Baugh (wk), 8 Darren Sammy (capt), 9 Devendra Bishoo, 10 Sunil Narine, 11 Kemar Roach.

The difficulty for the selectors is that they would like to bring in the second spinner but would also be keen to retain their longer batting line-up given the tricky nature of the pitch. As a batsman who struggled in the first game and does not offer a bowling option, Peter Forrest could be vulnerable, but it is equally possible Australia will take in an unchanged side.

Australia (possible) 1 David Warner, 2 Shane Watson (capt), 3 Matthew Wade (wk), 4 Michael Hussey, 5 David Hussey, 6 George Bailey, 7 Daniel Christian, 8 Brett Lee, 9 Clint McKay, 10 Xavier Doherty, 11 Nathan Lyon.

Pitch and conditions

Two pitches have been prepared at Arnos Vale but it is unlikely the second one will be much different. That means a lack of pace, and batsmen will need to show patience and wait for short balls to put away. Going hard at fuller deliveries carries the risk of mistiming the ball and lobbing catches.

Stats and trivia

  • George Bailey was Man of the Match on Friday, the seventh Australian to achieve the feat on his ODI debut and the second this year, after Matthew Wade
  • Marlon Samuels reached 3000 ODI runs on Friday, the 11th West Indian to pass the milestone
  • Australia and Pakistan are the only visiting sides to have won ODIs at Arnos Vale, although all the ICC's full members have played there

Quotes

"We've seen what the Australians have, nothing extraordinary but we just have to go out there and be more responsible in our approach."
Darren Sammy, the West Indies captain, was not happy with his side's irresponsible batting on Friday

"When you come to a foreign country you want to make a statement early. We knew it was important to hit the ground running."
Xavier Doherty on Australia's opening victory

Brydon Coverdale is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • POSTED BY zenboomerang on | March 19, 2012, 5:38 GMT

    @AdoSR... Agree - Wade seems a better option as an opener... I'd prefer Watson in the middle order & move Bailey to no.3 (as Clarkes replacement & dropped accordingly)... Watson needs a bit more time between innings to produce his best... Still not sure why Forrest is 1. Playing & 2. @no.3 - the selectors really should distinguish between Test & ODI players... If they think Forrest is good enough, play him as a Test player/replacement...

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 19:52 GMT

    Why don't you, Mr. Hosein, challenge my points about our batting rather than ask me about one player? This forum would be better served if you did that. If you desire to know more about Sarwan's indifference to fitness, shoot off an email to either Bennett King or John Dyson, both fomer WI coaches and ask whether or not they found Sarwan to be allergic to doing the daily work/training regimen to keep fit all the time, during their tenure with the team. Ask them too, if Sarwan on more than one occasion, feigned injury to avoid training sessions. Get back to us, Sir, with an answer. Thanks. Now about cricket dunces: there are enough of them in WI cricket to go around. I will designate you to compile a COMPLETE list. Awaiting your answer with baited breath. Chanders has agreed that because of his age and a desire to still fully contribute to WI cricket, it would be better for him and the team if he focused exclusively on playing Tests only.He's free to play less demanding club cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 14:10 GMT

    yea its true that wi did lost when gayle was in the team but alot of the big scores was because of gayle so he can make a difference he is the most fared batsman in the world...every other team in the world have the senior players supporting the young talented players the team need to be balanced..we need players like gayle and chanderpaul in the team

  • POSTED BY wifan16 on | March 18, 2012, 14:04 GMT

    @ RANDY BRIDGEMAN..how u gonna say chanderpaul is not interested in playin this version of the game wen he just finish playin 20/20 in bpl?

  • POSTED BY acrawford78 on | March 18, 2012, 13:11 GMT

    Nothing extraordinary however they still managed to lose by 64 runs!.

    Surely Dwayne Bravo should be captain.

  • POSTED BY mstr_cricket on | March 18, 2012, 12:39 GMT

    'Australians have nothing extraordinary'??? Which team just beat India and Sri Lanka in ODI's and India in a Test series? That's right its the best ODI team in the world. And where are West Indies ranked? - 8th out of 10. I wonder what Sammy classes as extraordinary?

  • POSTED BY Stos on | March 18, 2012, 12:36 GMT

    @jonesy2: I hope you're not being serious here. Australia may have been the undisputed world's best a few years ago, but now the closest thing to an undisputed evaluation of them is that they are not the world's best at all (although perhaps you're right in stating that you consider them the undisputed world's best for no reason.) As for the best ODI players ever, I'm not sure that many of those nominations would get onto a shortlist. // Otherwise, as with most ODI series, this should probably just be considered a warm-up for the tests and opportunity to blood some young players, so it's good to see a few younger blokes in there.

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 12:31 GMT

    This series must be our decisive one--that it comes against the Aussies makes it more meaningful. Seniors players like Baugh must step-up, he loses his wicket too often to the same stroke--then he goes lbw,I expect more from Samuels with the bat; The batting needs to be strenghtened,Barath and Chanderpaul possibly? Deonarine is also a cricketer in form--We need to win now.WINDIES fan need a winning team-- WENEED TO WIN NOW-- IT,S TIME WE DID, GOODluck and application, application , application.

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 11:11 GMT

    Do you have first hand experience Mr Bridgeman that sars is lazy? But I do agree too many dunces in WI. WICB, SELECTORS AND THE PUPPET CAPTAIN.

  • POSTED BY jonesy2 on | March 18, 2012, 10:27 GMT

    sammy's quote is hilarious. nothing exraordinary? they are the undisputed worlds best for ever for no reason. best ODI batsman of all time (hussey), best player in the world (watto), best one day spinner in the world (doherty), greatest fast bowler in ODI history (binga). yeah, nothing extraordinary.

  • POSTED BY zenboomerang on | March 19, 2012, 5:38 GMT

    @AdoSR... Agree - Wade seems a better option as an opener... I'd prefer Watson in the middle order & move Bailey to no.3 (as Clarkes replacement & dropped accordingly)... Watson needs a bit more time between innings to produce his best... Still not sure why Forrest is 1. Playing & 2. @no.3 - the selectors really should distinguish between Test & ODI players... If they think Forrest is good enough, play him as a Test player/replacement...

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 19:52 GMT

    Why don't you, Mr. Hosein, challenge my points about our batting rather than ask me about one player? This forum would be better served if you did that. If you desire to know more about Sarwan's indifference to fitness, shoot off an email to either Bennett King or John Dyson, both fomer WI coaches and ask whether or not they found Sarwan to be allergic to doing the daily work/training regimen to keep fit all the time, during their tenure with the team. Ask them too, if Sarwan on more than one occasion, feigned injury to avoid training sessions. Get back to us, Sir, with an answer. Thanks. Now about cricket dunces: there are enough of them in WI cricket to go around. I will designate you to compile a COMPLETE list. Awaiting your answer with baited breath. Chanders has agreed that because of his age and a desire to still fully contribute to WI cricket, it would be better for him and the team if he focused exclusively on playing Tests only.He's free to play less demanding club cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 14:10 GMT

    yea its true that wi did lost when gayle was in the team but alot of the big scores was because of gayle so he can make a difference he is the most fared batsman in the world...every other team in the world have the senior players supporting the young talented players the team need to be balanced..we need players like gayle and chanderpaul in the team

  • POSTED BY wifan16 on | March 18, 2012, 14:04 GMT

    @ RANDY BRIDGEMAN..how u gonna say chanderpaul is not interested in playin this version of the game wen he just finish playin 20/20 in bpl?

  • POSTED BY acrawford78 on | March 18, 2012, 13:11 GMT

    Nothing extraordinary however they still managed to lose by 64 runs!.

    Surely Dwayne Bravo should be captain.

  • POSTED BY mstr_cricket on | March 18, 2012, 12:39 GMT

    'Australians have nothing extraordinary'??? Which team just beat India and Sri Lanka in ODI's and India in a Test series? That's right its the best ODI team in the world. And where are West Indies ranked? - 8th out of 10. I wonder what Sammy classes as extraordinary?

  • POSTED BY Stos on | March 18, 2012, 12:36 GMT

    @jonesy2: I hope you're not being serious here. Australia may have been the undisputed world's best a few years ago, but now the closest thing to an undisputed evaluation of them is that they are not the world's best at all (although perhaps you're right in stating that you consider them the undisputed world's best for no reason.) As for the best ODI players ever, I'm not sure that many of those nominations would get onto a shortlist. // Otherwise, as with most ODI series, this should probably just be considered a warm-up for the tests and opportunity to blood some young players, so it's good to see a few younger blokes in there.

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 12:31 GMT

    This series must be our decisive one--that it comes against the Aussies makes it more meaningful. Seniors players like Baugh must step-up, he loses his wicket too often to the same stroke--then he goes lbw,I expect more from Samuels with the bat; The batting needs to be strenghtened,Barath and Chanderpaul possibly? Deonarine is also a cricketer in form--We need to win now.WINDIES fan need a winning team-- WENEED TO WIN NOW-- IT,S TIME WE DID, GOODluck and application, application , application.

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 11:11 GMT

    Do you have first hand experience Mr Bridgeman that sars is lazy? But I do agree too many dunces in WI. WICB, SELECTORS AND THE PUPPET CAPTAIN.

  • POSTED BY jonesy2 on | March 18, 2012, 10:27 GMT

    sammy's quote is hilarious. nothing exraordinary? they are the undisputed worlds best for ever for no reason. best ODI batsman of all time (hussey), best player in the world (watto), best one day spinner in the world (doherty), greatest fast bowler in ODI history (binga). yeah, nothing extraordinary.

  • POSTED BY jonesy2 on | March 18, 2012, 10:22 GMT

    lyon should play, he would carve it up on this track

  • POSTED BY Mitcher on | March 18, 2012, 9:47 GMT

    I came of age as a cricket fan around the late 80/90s. To confront a Windies team that is not only club level but playing on slow, low tracks at home almost makes me wonder if I'm alive or wallowing in some form of limbo. Things always change; not always for the better.

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 8:00 GMT

    Please, selectors! Try to do a better job. Barath and Chanderpaul should have been on this team, and of course, Gayle. There's no problem with blooding the youth, but let's pick the times to do so, and certainly not against Australia. WE WANT TO WIN!

  • POSTED BY Senthilbornindialoveswindiescricket on | March 18, 2012, 7:46 GMT

    Its going to be one more series added to WI washout tally. Nowadays WI team statistics is not based on number of wins and loss.. Its just 2 results washout and No washout. Captain Sammy aims to win atleast 1 match in a series which is a good aim to reduce the result of washout.. Im really fed up WI cricket and management.

    @C.Gayle - I dont know when you have planned to reply WICB question.. Will you answer after IPL atleast?

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | March 18, 2012, 7:11 GMT

    To captain "Sammy " ! Don't you think it's a little too soon to make such comments about the Ausies ? In my opinion they do have some "extraordinary qualities " ,in the form of " discipline and fighting spirit" ,which we have not displayed in years as a playing unit . Don't arrouse a sleeping giant ,we may regret it . England once promised to make the mighty W.I " Grovel "and we know how that turned out . Lets hope we don't suffer the same fate as the English did .

  • POSTED BY yocasi on | March 18, 2012, 6:27 GMT

    Yo, Stephon Joel Ramlogan, Windies have a 13 game losing streak against Aus. Could you please tell me if Gayle played in any of those games and the difference he made to the outcome? Thanks much, pal. Cheers!

  • POSTED BY simonviller on | March 18, 2012, 6:22 GMT

    To Those Whom It May Concern: Please rest the Gayle case for once . Is it wishful thinking that West Indies should fail ,because of Gayle's absence ,or your cricketing genius at work ? This WI team can compete well enough with the the proper application ,just give them some support, because whether they win or lose ,it's not due one individual's is absent .

  • POSTED BY GoodSelector on | March 18, 2012, 5:41 GMT

    Wade must be in the top 3 or 4 , Forrest doesnt hav a good scoring rate so he probly shouldnt still be in the side. Playing an extra batsman means Christian is having to bat at 8 which is too low for a batsman of his ability, he needs more overs to bat, he is a big hitter and scores freely, then Lee is at 8 and he can hit some runs so the batting is fine and then Lyon can play or an extra seamer once pattinson is fit

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 5:21 GMT

    I sometimes wonder if Gayle was not there when we were losing all the time before? What guarantees we have? Pollard is there,phenomenal IPL player and he did not score.This was a gettable total with what we have and all this nonsense about Sarwan etc They have all been there. There was excellent field placing as stated by even the Aussie commentators, great containing bowling but what failed us is lousy batting from those paid to bat! So stop blaming Gibson ,Sammy and the WICB.

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 4:38 GMT

    Get over yourselves, Gayle clones. He's not coming back. Let's try with what we have and cease the wishing and hoping bit. What is the old saying, if life hands you a lemon, you nake lemonade, give thanks to the Almighty and drink it? The bowling is fine; it's the batting that's problematic.Too much brainless batting. Too many cricket dunces on the team. Am sorry, but must call the proverbial spade a spade. We never seem to learn. Incoming batsmen don't seem to be able to assess the game situation and adjust, play to suit. We want to knock the cover off every ball bowled. Basic cricket sense says you work the ball around, pcking up singles and twos and going over the top occasionally for the boundary. Doing this puts pressure on the fielding team and usually causes errors in bowling, fielding. With one or two exceptions, our batsmen basically gifted their wicket. Simmons is injured. Chanders isn't interested in playing the shorter versions of the game anymore. Sarwan is lazy and indiff

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 3:59 GMT

    without gayle west indies is nothing. dropped russel a poor move .

  • POSTED BY tappee74 on | March 18, 2012, 3:52 GMT

    Play Chanderpaul now!This is a batsman that has passed the test of time.He made 100 a week ago ,and has just scored 80 against Trinidad.What is wrong with our selectors.Are they a pack of dictators bent on ruining our cricket?If Gayle is unfit because he hasn't stooped to their tune,what has Chanderpaul done?

  • POSTED BY Al11 on | March 18, 2012, 3:29 GMT

    The WICB claim Adrian Barath is injured....and was not pick to open....but he is currently playing for Trinidad and 74 not out....what is going on man?????

  • POSTED BY AdoSR on | March 18, 2012, 2:57 GMT

    Austalia's batting looks a whole lot weaker without Clarke. Batting wade down the order makes it look even weaker as he struggles there. Watson should take his natural place at 6 and he should bowl himself for 10 overs. That would allow the second spinner to replace a bowler (McKay) or an allrounder (Christian), leaving the long batting lineup intact. The possible side in the article has 7 batsman and 7 bowlers. Surely 6 bowlers is enough (plus MHussey if needed).

  • POSTED BY johnathonjosephs on | March 18, 2012, 2:10 GMT

    SINGLES West Indies! SINGLES! Not every ball should be dispatched for 4 and 6

  • POSTED BY pitch-up on | March 18, 2012, 2:09 GMT

    lets go windies you can do it, i know you have it in you.

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 1:54 GMT

    "We've seen what the Australians have, nothing extraordinary"? Rather dismissive, not to mention somewhat premature to say after just one game. Players like Watson and both Hussey brothers are superb ODI players - they are absolute match-winners. And when Warner finds his ODI feet (and there is every indication he's beginning to do that), watch out, opposition!

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 1:40 GMT

    Windies going get humiliated again... No gayle, sarwan,simmons or chanderpaul in that batting line up.... bowling lacking pace of ravi rampaul and batting> his ability to be a late order hitter.. chandepaul should have been picked to open the batting cause no opener there

  • POSTED BY Al11 on | March 18, 2012, 1:27 GMT

    no need to bring in Bishoo...the bowling is not the problem....its the batting...why weaken the batting line up

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 1:23 GMT

    We've seen what the Australians have, nothing extraordinary ...sammy plzz i m west indies and i think australia played very well ....they s no where west indies team can bet this aus. until gayle returns ...then is gayle vs lee show ...aust...jus happy gayle nah play ....yo caribbean people blame wicb ottis gib n hunt etc

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  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 1:23 GMT

    We've seen what the Australians have, nothing extraordinary ...sammy plzz i m west indies and i think australia played very well ....they s no where west indies team can bet this aus. until gayle returns ...then is gayle vs lee show ...aust...jus happy gayle nah play ....yo caribbean people blame wicb ottis gib n hunt etc

  • POSTED BY Al11 on | March 18, 2012, 1:27 GMT

    no need to bring in Bishoo...the bowling is not the problem....its the batting...why weaken the batting line up

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 1:40 GMT

    Windies going get humiliated again... No gayle, sarwan,simmons or chanderpaul in that batting line up.... bowling lacking pace of ravi rampaul and batting> his ability to be a late order hitter.. chandepaul should have been picked to open the batting cause no opener there

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 1:54 GMT

    "We've seen what the Australians have, nothing extraordinary"? Rather dismissive, not to mention somewhat premature to say after just one game. Players like Watson and both Hussey brothers are superb ODI players - they are absolute match-winners. And when Warner finds his ODI feet (and there is every indication he's beginning to do that), watch out, opposition!

  • POSTED BY pitch-up on | March 18, 2012, 2:09 GMT

    lets go windies you can do it, i know you have it in you.

  • POSTED BY johnathonjosephs on | March 18, 2012, 2:10 GMT

    SINGLES West Indies! SINGLES! Not every ball should be dispatched for 4 and 6

  • POSTED BY AdoSR on | March 18, 2012, 2:57 GMT

    Austalia's batting looks a whole lot weaker without Clarke. Batting wade down the order makes it look even weaker as he struggles there. Watson should take his natural place at 6 and he should bowl himself for 10 overs. That would allow the second spinner to replace a bowler (McKay) or an allrounder (Christian), leaving the long batting lineup intact. The possible side in the article has 7 batsman and 7 bowlers. Surely 6 bowlers is enough (plus MHussey if needed).

  • POSTED BY Al11 on | March 18, 2012, 3:29 GMT

    The WICB claim Adrian Barath is injured....and was not pick to open....but he is currently playing for Trinidad and 74 not out....what is going on man?????

  • POSTED BY tappee74 on | March 18, 2012, 3:52 GMT

    Play Chanderpaul now!This is a batsman that has passed the test of time.He made 100 a week ago ,and has just scored 80 against Trinidad.What is wrong with our selectors.Are they a pack of dictators bent on ruining our cricket?If Gayle is unfit because he hasn't stooped to their tune,what has Chanderpaul done?

  • POSTED BY on | March 18, 2012, 3:59 GMT

    without gayle west indies is nothing. dropped russel a poor move .