West Indies v Australia, 2nd Test, Port-of-Spain, 2nd day April 16, 2012

Australia take control with early wickets

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West Indies 49 for 3 (Bravo 16*, Chanderpaul 1*) trail Australia 311 (Hussey 73, Watson 56, Roach 5-105) by 262 runs
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

Australia took a long time to manoeuvre their position with the bat in Port-of-Spain but far less with the ball. Their total of 311, engineered on the second day by Michael Hussey and James Pattinson, was soon shown in its true value as West Indies stumbled to 49 for 3 at the close with the top order floundering against pace and spin.

Hussey and Pattinson added 89 for seventh wicket as Australia batted through to tea on rain-interrupted day. Their effort was put into greater context when the last four wickets fell for 14 and the swift fall of batsmen continued when West Indies started their reply. By stumps the home side were already facing a daunting task to stay in contention in the match and the series. It seemed, as ever, that their hopes lay largely with Shivnarine Chanderpaul.

Michael Clarke continued to show the innovative side of his captaincy by handing the new ball to the left-arm spin of Michael Beer, who was playing just his second Test, and he was an immediate threat with deliveries gripping to beat the outside edge. It was Ben Hilfenhaus, though, who struck first with a testing spell of outswing when a delivery straightened on Kriagg Braithwaite and would have clipped leg stump.

Adrian Barath took 26 balls to get off the mark and was soon simply, yet beautifully, set up by Beer. Barath had driven on the up through the covers and Beer responded with a delivery that ripped past a defensive push before sending down the arm ball which trapped Barath on the back foot.

Barath was absolutely right not to review, but the same can't be said of Kieran Powell. He had played a couple of pleasing drives before facing Pattinson's first delivery which swung back into him. Ian Gould gave the decision but replays showed it had pitched outside leg stump. With Australia sensing further inroads Darren Bravo and Chanderpaul did well to prevent a terminal collapse.

West Indies' bowlers cannot be faulted for their endeavours but were not always supported in the field. Hussey passed fifty from 136 balls but should have been removed before the landmark. He was given his second life by Carlton Baugh on 47 when he advanced down the pitch to the probing Shane Shillingford, and was beaten by turn and bounce, only for Baugh to be unable to gather the take to complete the stumping. It was not easy, but should have been taken. On the first day Baugh dropped Hussey on 5 and he made West Indies' job even tougher.

Narsingh Deonarine, who is developing the knack of breaking partnerships, eventually ended Hussey's stay when he lured him into a drive. Soon afterwards Pattinson's equally valuable contribution which spanned 119 deliveries was cut off when a leading edge looped high into the off side to give Shillingford a hard-earned third wicket.

Australia had lost a wicket without adding to their overnight total when Matthew Wade edged Kemar Roach to first slip. Roach and Edwards then gave Pattinson a tough welcome to the crease with a series of deliveries that beat the outside edge while Edwards also struck him on the forearm with a short ball, something Roach repeated later on, but Pattinson stood his ground to provide priceless support for Hussey.

Hussey pulled a rare short delivery from Shillingford through midwicket but the offspinner provided another tough examination for the batsmen. Hussey needed all his skill to survive; sometimes playing from deep in the crease then trying to stretch forward and also employing the sweep.

Pattinson picked off a loose delivery from Darren Sammy with a cut and then slashed another boundary past a diving third slip as West Indies were, once again, frustrated by the batting of one of Australia's bowlers. Although plenty of turn was on offer, the lack of pace in the wicket made it hard work for the bowlers and a couple of edges created by Shillingford did not carry to slip. Edwards, meanwhile, would have just been happy to find the edge as Pattinson continued to play and miss.

Occasionally the dot balls and maidens were punctuated by a boundary, the most empathic of which was when Hussey swept Shillingford into the stands over midwicket. Pattinson did not lose much in comparison as he showed a very solid defensive technique and the footwork to attack rare loose deliveries.

Roach made swift work of the remaining resistance when he bowled Hilfenhaus off his pads and two balls later pinned Beer lbw. To many people's surprise Beer was the man to deliver the next ball of the Test. It was the turn of Australia's spinners, but their quick bowlers were an equal threat.

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Meety on April 18, 2012, 1:29 GMT

    @Rally_Windies - the average Joe would ASSume that a Test match pitch is of a better quality than a domestic FC pitch "normally". This pitch has had variable bounce on the first day, it's back breaking work for the pacemen (congrats to Roach), however, like in SL & Bangladesh. Batsmen have got to be able to learn to build large innings, atm outside of SOME test players, the batting averages are abysmal. Its amazing that your mob can unearth talent like Kemar Roach, other wise you'll soon end up being like Bangladesh who may as well play 4 spinners, because very few are willing to break their backs for little reward. The Windies still were competitive, with just Ambrose & Walsh as bowlers, that's the value of good pacemen. Anyways - most people want to see the WIndies doing better than they were, I don't think a spin based bowling attack is the best use of the talent that exists in the islands - in the end, its just opinion.

  • Meety on April 18, 2012, 1:21 GMT

    @RyanSmith - more Test matches is not the Silver Bullet that will improve Test performances of the bottom sides. Bangladesh last year played a Test series against the WIndies, they showed signs of improvement, a month later Pakistan came to town, & Bangladesh (mainly in the 1st Test) were awful. Why? They got to play 2 test series in a row, they should of improved in the 2nd series, (IMO they have the talent to do very well at home). The reason they stunk (IMO), is that in the month between the 2 test series, NONE of the players who played v Pakistan, played in their domestic FC structure, rather they played in some Dhaka based club pro circuit. The only player in the 1st Test who out did himself was Nazimuddin - & guess what? He played FC cricket during the mth between series. The players are poorly managed - more test match cricket is not going to improve them. IMO - Zim do not have as much talent as Banga, but they smashed Ban because they have been smart OFF the field.

  • Meety on April 18, 2012, 1:14 GMT

    @RyanSmith - as there is too much International cricket being played, the only two ways for the Test Championship to work (IMO) is to either have the top 4 sides based on rankings play a tournament (like what the ICC proposed), or have the Championship run in parrallel with the FTP, & so the series result, or the last Test (or nominated) of the series carries Championship weighting. I hate bilateral ODIs, but the 5 ODIs v England really comes down to profitability & in the end, if the big boys & the ICC aren't profitable there is no World Cricket. As far as the level of performance of WI, NZ & Ban are concerned, with respects to (WI & Ban), there performances are in direct relation to poor Management. The BCB are a bunch of amateurs, the WI are in constant turmoil, & so IMO the only countries not in the top getting a raw deal are SL & NZ, (Pak is obviously due to security), as they have decent FC structures. With NZ we all know that cricket is a 3rd rate sport in that country. TBC

  • Meety on April 18, 2012, 1:02 GMT

    @RyanSmith - what I would be saying is that ALL countries in the top 2 tiers would have the opportunity to play 4 or 5 test series against sides of comparable strength. Comparable strength won't stop a whitewash from happenning, but by & large make it competitive. In a perfect world, Bangladesh should get the chance to play a 5-test series v England or Oz, but atm, who would watch it? A tiered system which works for the World Cricket Leagues below test level (see Afghan, PNG & Uganda's rise), should incorporate promotion & relegation. What I was saying that if you had Div 1 (Oz, Eng, India & SA), they would play 4 or 5 tests series against each other, however they would also play Div 2 (Pak, SL, WI & NZ) in as many series except that they would be 3 tests at the Div 2 home, & 2 tests at the Div 1 home, (3 tests each could be negotiable). Div 2 play each other over 4 or 5 tests. Then Div 3 (development div) would have (Zim, Ban, Ire & Afg). They could play Div 2 & themselves!

  • Randy0Z on April 17, 2012, 16:19 GMT

    I have no faith in our front line bowling attack, it's a poor show when we need Hussey to dig us out of a hole! The superior attacks of SA & Eng would be ripping through this WI team no problem. These are 2 very even teams.

  • Rally_Windies on April 17, 2012, 13:52 GMT

    Viv Gilchrist stop blaming the pitches ...

    when Sommerset played here the English batsmen had no problem averaging over 40...

    and stop saying that our spinners records are inflated.... if a spinner can average 15 and why can't the pacers?

    why pick a pacer averaging 25 and talk about a spinner averaging 15 having an inflated average .....

    the spinners are just better than the pacers we are picking ....

    Narine has gone to the IPL and PROVED that his figures in the West Indies are not inflated......Nor is Badree's figures either ...nor Kooper ....

  • zenboomerang on April 17, 2012, 13:50 GMT

    @RyanSmith... I hear you mate :) ... If we go down this road there will be difficulties which may not suit all Test teams - not being negative but it will take a while... It probably needs a re-think as already the ICC have delayed any world Test series back to the late "teens" & may not happen in my lifetime... For a true WC Test competition it will take a lot of goodwill from the powerhouses India & England...

  • RyanSmith on April 17, 2012, 13:39 GMT

    @Meety. I love the 5 test ashes series but it also represents one of the biggest problems with the cricket currently. If you are Aus or Eng it's great. But the current scheduling is all based around Aus, Eng and India and the other countries are given a raw deal. I know that they are the biggest drawcards and money makers but such an imbalance with the way cricket is scheduled is IMO not good for the sport. Aus, Ind and Eng seem to care more about Aus, Ind and Eng than they do about cricket. We moan about how poor Ban, NZ, or the WI are currently but how do you expect them to be any good at test cricket with the way they are treated and the amount of test cricket they get to play. For cricket to progress in those countries they need series' against Ind, Aus and England but all they get are two tests (or three if they're lucky) while the other teams keep playing off against themselves. How Aus playing 5 ODI's against Eng this year is the best thing for world cricket I'll never know.

  • RyanSmith on April 17, 2012, 13:21 GMT

    @Zenboomerang. My preference would be for the championship to take place over a two year period. But for that to happen you'd have to play one match home and away (18 tests over two years). If you play a single match then you get people like Meety complain about test series' disappearing. Or the alternative is to shrink the number of teams down. I personally don't want to see (nor do I think it is best for the game) to have the same 5 teams playing each other over and over again. If you make it 10 teams then for a start it would be easier to get all the full members to agree to it. You only need be better than at least one of the other 10 teams to remain at test level. It also allows for other teams like Ireland to achieve test status and if they do well enough at that level they will stay there. 4 years is the same time period between world cups so I think it would fit nicely if it starts mid-way between world cups.

  • Shuraim on April 17, 2012, 11:46 GMT

    So beer is not all that bad as aussie fans think he is uptill now by far he's been the best spinner in the match and also best aussie have tried since great warne

  • Meety on April 18, 2012, 1:29 GMT

    @Rally_Windies - the average Joe would ASSume that a Test match pitch is of a better quality than a domestic FC pitch "normally". This pitch has had variable bounce on the first day, it's back breaking work for the pacemen (congrats to Roach), however, like in SL & Bangladesh. Batsmen have got to be able to learn to build large innings, atm outside of SOME test players, the batting averages are abysmal. Its amazing that your mob can unearth talent like Kemar Roach, other wise you'll soon end up being like Bangladesh who may as well play 4 spinners, because very few are willing to break their backs for little reward. The Windies still were competitive, with just Ambrose & Walsh as bowlers, that's the value of good pacemen. Anyways - most people want to see the WIndies doing better than they were, I don't think a spin based bowling attack is the best use of the talent that exists in the islands - in the end, its just opinion.

  • Meety on April 18, 2012, 1:21 GMT

    @RyanSmith - more Test matches is not the Silver Bullet that will improve Test performances of the bottom sides. Bangladesh last year played a Test series against the WIndies, they showed signs of improvement, a month later Pakistan came to town, & Bangladesh (mainly in the 1st Test) were awful. Why? They got to play 2 test series in a row, they should of improved in the 2nd series, (IMO they have the talent to do very well at home). The reason they stunk (IMO), is that in the month between the 2 test series, NONE of the players who played v Pakistan, played in their domestic FC structure, rather they played in some Dhaka based club pro circuit. The only player in the 1st Test who out did himself was Nazimuddin - & guess what? He played FC cricket during the mth between series. The players are poorly managed - more test match cricket is not going to improve them. IMO - Zim do not have as much talent as Banga, but they smashed Ban because they have been smart OFF the field.

  • Meety on April 18, 2012, 1:14 GMT

    @RyanSmith - as there is too much International cricket being played, the only two ways for the Test Championship to work (IMO) is to either have the top 4 sides based on rankings play a tournament (like what the ICC proposed), or have the Championship run in parrallel with the FTP, & so the series result, or the last Test (or nominated) of the series carries Championship weighting. I hate bilateral ODIs, but the 5 ODIs v England really comes down to profitability & in the end, if the big boys & the ICC aren't profitable there is no World Cricket. As far as the level of performance of WI, NZ & Ban are concerned, with respects to (WI & Ban), there performances are in direct relation to poor Management. The BCB are a bunch of amateurs, the WI are in constant turmoil, & so IMO the only countries not in the top getting a raw deal are SL & NZ, (Pak is obviously due to security), as they have decent FC structures. With NZ we all know that cricket is a 3rd rate sport in that country. TBC

  • Meety on April 18, 2012, 1:02 GMT

    @RyanSmith - what I would be saying is that ALL countries in the top 2 tiers would have the opportunity to play 4 or 5 test series against sides of comparable strength. Comparable strength won't stop a whitewash from happenning, but by & large make it competitive. In a perfect world, Bangladesh should get the chance to play a 5-test series v England or Oz, but atm, who would watch it? A tiered system which works for the World Cricket Leagues below test level (see Afghan, PNG & Uganda's rise), should incorporate promotion & relegation. What I was saying that if you had Div 1 (Oz, Eng, India & SA), they would play 4 or 5 tests series against each other, however they would also play Div 2 (Pak, SL, WI & NZ) in as many series except that they would be 3 tests at the Div 2 home, & 2 tests at the Div 1 home, (3 tests each could be negotiable). Div 2 play each other over 4 or 5 tests. Then Div 3 (development div) would have (Zim, Ban, Ire & Afg). They could play Div 2 & themselves!

  • Randy0Z on April 17, 2012, 16:19 GMT

    I have no faith in our front line bowling attack, it's a poor show when we need Hussey to dig us out of a hole! The superior attacks of SA & Eng would be ripping through this WI team no problem. These are 2 very even teams.

  • Rally_Windies on April 17, 2012, 13:52 GMT

    Viv Gilchrist stop blaming the pitches ...

    when Sommerset played here the English batsmen had no problem averaging over 40...

    and stop saying that our spinners records are inflated.... if a spinner can average 15 and why can't the pacers?

    why pick a pacer averaging 25 and talk about a spinner averaging 15 having an inflated average .....

    the spinners are just better than the pacers we are picking ....

    Narine has gone to the IPL and PROVED that his figures in the West Indies are not inflated......Nor is Badree's figures either ...nor Kooper ....

  • zenboomerang on April 17, 2012, 13:50 GMT

    @RyanSmith... I hear you mate :) ... If we go down this road there will be difficulties which may not suit all Test teams - not being negative but it will take a while... It probably needs a re-think as already the ICC have delayed any world Test series back to the late "teens" & may not happen in my lifetime... For a true WC Test competition it will take a lot of goodwill from the powerhouses India & England...

  • RyanSmith on April 17, 2012, 13:39 GMT

    @Meety. I love the 5 test ashes series but it also represents one of the biggest problems with the cricket currently. If you are Aus or Eng it's great. But the current scheduling is all based around Aus, Eng and India and the other countries are given a raw deal. I know that they are the biggest drawcards and money makers but such an imbalance with the way cricket is scheduled is IMO not good for the sport. Aus, Ind and Eng seem to care more about Aus, Ind and Eng than they do about cricket. We moan about how poor Ban, NZ, or the WI are currently but how do you expect them to be any good at test cricket with the way they are treated and the amount of test cricket they get to play. For cricket to progress in those countries they need series' against Ind, Aus and England but all they get are two tests (or three if they're lucky) while the other teams keep playing off against themselves. How Aus playing 5 ODI's against Eng this year is the best thing for world cricket I'll never know.

  • RyanSmith on April 17, 2012, 13:21 GMT

    @Zenboomerang. My preference would be for the championship to take place over a two year period. But for that to happen you'd have to play one match home and away (18 tests over two years). If you play a single match then you get people like Meety complain about test series' disappearing. Or the alternative is to shrink the number of teams down. I personally don't want to see (nor do I think it is best for the game) to have the same 5 teams playing each other over and over again. If you make it 10 teams then for a start it would be easier to get all the full members to agree to it. You only need be better than at least one of the other 10 teams to remain at test level. It also allows for other teams like Ireland to achieve test status and if they do well enough at that level they will stay there. 4 years is the same time period between world cups so I think it would fit nicely if it starts mid-way between world cups.

  • Shuraim on April 17, 2012, 11:46 GMT

    So beer is not all that bad as aussie fans think he is uptill now by far he's been the best spinner in the match and also best aussie have tried since great warne

  • VivGilchrist on April 17, 2012, 10:34 GMT

    I think we can now see why WI domestic bowling averages look so good and batting averages look so bad, and also why spinners have such great records....the pitches are rubbish. Sure, it makes for results which are great but domestically bowlers get an over-inflated view of their ability (see Nikita Millers record) and batsmen have no confidence. Also Powell and Braithwaite are not ready, K.Edwards has a good technique to open and should pair up with Gayle if and when he comes back. Barath maybe should bat down at 5 or 6 for a few series as he is probably better suited there. Also players opting to play IPL or county over representing WI is damaging WI cricket majorly until it is rectified.

  • Silva-Surfa on April 17, 2012, 9:50 GMT

    As i feared, the vunerable Windies batting were unable to keep their discipline and find themselves up against it yet again. Braithwaite and Powell are the future, but they don't seem equipped to see-off a pressure situation and their lack of experience was exposed. Barath's ability is unquestioned, but his consistancy and injury-proned body is a worry, let's hope he overcomes that. Poor old Chanders, the burden is layed upon him yet again, to bat the innings and post a total, that will compete with the Aussies. He'll need Bravo to keep his discipline and for Deonarine to contribute with the bat, as he's done with the ball. Also for Baugh, Sammy and the tail for support, to help the cause. Definately advantage Australia and much will depend on what the deficit will be after the West Indies first innings is completed.

  • othello22 on April 17, 2012, 9:34 GMT

    Enough. 311 is a very competitive score on a miserable deck like this, a fifty here is probably worth a hundred on a good batting strip elsewhere. Mike Holding himself even said this pitch needed a tombstone on it. Windies probably won't get anwhere near Australia's total, and then they will have to bat last which makes victory for them nigh on impossible. Barring a miraculous turnaround it will be 2-0 Australia and the naysayers will then begin their routine chorus of boos and disapproval.

  • Meety on April 17, 2012, 9:32 GMT

    @RyanSmith/HatsforBats - Can't wait for a test championship, but not at the expense of a 5-Test series for the Ashes. As for a tiered system, I have long maintained a need for 3-tiers, with the top 2 tiers being able to play each other, but over shorter series (say 2 or 3 tests depending on which country is home), & the top tier plays 4 & 5 test series amongst themselves, the 2nd tier can play 4 & 5 tests amongst themselves . The 3rd Tier would be Bang, Zim, Ireland & Afghans. They can play the 2nd tier in 2 or 3 tests, but play 4 or 5 test series amongst themselves. There would be special dispensation for Ireland to play one of tests against Oz & Eng (assuming they are in the top tier), same would go for Afghan v Pakistan. 7-match bilateral ODIs would have to be ditched for a Test championship to work properly (no great shame there).

  • Silva-Surfa on April 17, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    Thanks to some of you for clearing up the LBW debate. I knew that you can't be given out, if a batsman played forward outside the line. I didn't realise the same applied if you played back and was trapped right infront of the stumps. I thought the only things that could save a batsman, playing on the backfoot was a inside-edge or the ball pitching outside leg-stump. And also in regards to the Baugh/Ramdin dilemma, you misunderstand my words, i didn't say that Ramdin was a disappointment with the bat, but more the case that the selectors percieved him as such, which is why he was dropped. They've given Baugh a run in the team and despite the mistakes, his keeping has improved, he tries to be disciplined in his batting, but continues to fail. So what are the other options out there?..maybe Fletcher and Simmons should concentrate more on their Glovework, Devon Thomas isn't ready and what has happenned to Chadwick Walton?

  • zenboomerang on April 17, 2012, 9:19 GMT

    @RyanSmith... Like your idea about a Test championship, but over 4 years is never going to work... Too many variables in team players over such a long period of time - perfect example is Oz team which sometimes changes dramatically over just 1 year... Really just need a top 4 to play out a finals series like other comps (1 game cut-throat) maybe every 2 years to level out the home & away advantages, & fairer for all countries... Though draws & ties would complicate it more...

  • zenboomerang on April 17, 2012, 9:17 GMT

    @dunger.bob... Agree... There is always the odd whinging about coaches - as if they would know anything about coaching... What is Langer supposed to do?... Hold their hands while they bat... lol...

  • zenboomerang on April 17, 2012, 9:16 GMT

    @Kemar Kirby... Good comments... There no truly outstanding team in world cricket, nor any team considered to be easily beaten at home - as the ODI & T20 series has shown in this tour...

  • Keepa-batsman on April 17, 2012, 8:56 GMT

    pattinson bowled excellently as did beer. Good to see beery back after a shaky start... a lot of potential there.

  • HatsforBats on April 17, 2012, 8:53 GMT

    @ Meety, if ever there was a symbol of all that is wrong in world cricket, it would be the Champion's Trophy. I would love to see it die a quick death; although a part of me wants it to die slowly & painfully ; )

  • HatsforBats on April 17, 2012, 8:44 GMT

    @RyanSmith; that is exactly the same system I would like to see introduced were there to be more test teams introduced (for example, 2 tiers of 6 teams if Ireland & the Netherlands were awarded test status). If not more teams, then 2 tiers of 5 teams. As long as we see the end of 2 test "series" I'd be happy. Would that mean the end of 5 match Ashes series?

  • ali00 on April 17, 2012, 8:05 GMT

    Great tactic from Michael Clarke who used Michael Beer Spinner for opening the bowling attack and i think this tactic is working good

  • Erebus26 on April 17, 2012, 7:55 GMT

    The Windies top order is an accident waiting to happen. Barath has talent but lacks temperament or the focus to make big scores consistently, Braithwaite doesn't have the talent but can be gutsy and I wonder about the quality of the rest of the Windies batsmen if Powell can be recalled. I know Windies can't pick some of their best talent as they're currently playing abroad in the IPL and the County Championship but surely they have better players than the three I've mentioned here???

  • ste13 on April 17, 2012, 7:48 GMT

    While I was rather impressed for WI performance in the first test and belived they are making the progress, these first two days have brought big step backwards. I do not understand why Rampaul was not brought to the team, Sammy captaincy was also less impressive. It will be very difficult to come back from this position. Btw - run rate is really crazy, but with more aggressive batsmen, the match would finish in two days.

  • Digimont on April 17, 2012, 7:23 GMT

    @dunger.bob I think that batting coaches are even more important than they were prior to the IPL. The growing importance overall on quick runs has seen batsmen stray away from test match standard techniques and they need to be reminded of that. Also, if you want one example of someone who played test cricket with zero technique, look at Phil Hughes. Every batsman has their weakness, Sehwag doesn't use his feet, even a sublime batsman like Damien Martyn found it nigh on impossible to get his cut shot to go to ground. Going back further, how many times did the wonderful David Gower fall across his stumps and get strangled down leg side? Geoff Lawson based a career on getting Gower out in this way.

  • on April 17, 2012, 7:01 GMT

    i think is time that wi develops wicket keepers it seems the whole Caribbean has only two keepers to compete what a shame

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on April 17, 2012, 6:49 GMT

    @Pras_Punter. agreed. It's nice to hear an Aussie fan showing some reality as to the strength of their side. The side you guys put out in last Ashes was twice what you have now. And look where that got you. A thrashing indeed.

  • RyanSmith on April 17, 2012, 5:51 GMT

    @HatsforBats. Re: The Test Championship debate. I still maintain what should be done is similar to the EPL. Every team plays every other team home and away. A 3 test series would probably be most agreeable to the majority. (3 points for a win, 1 for a draw, 0 for a loss, 2 for a tie). There should be 10 Teams in the Test division. For a start... AUS, BAN, ENG, IND, NZ, PAK, SA, SL, WI, ZIM. If you are going to play 3 tests series' then it would have to take place over a 4 year period. The team with the highest number of points over that time will play off at home against the second best team in the final of the test championship (with the victor proclaimed test champions). The team finishing last will be relegated to division two (e.g Ban or Zim) and the first placed team from division 2 (e.g Ire) will be promoted to the test champinship for the following 4 years and so on.

  • on April 17, 2012, 5:46 GMT

    What sort of rubbish pitches are the WI curators creating over there? They sound like complete rubbish.

  • dunger.bob on April 17, 2012, 5:11 GMT

    @ RandyOz : I'm not exactly sure what a batting coach can do for guys at this level. Presumably they already have good techniques and tinkering around too much with a batsmans technique can do more harm than good I always thought. .. maybe they talk mostly about tactics for individual bowlers or something. .. I agree that our batting is a bit fragile though. They need to find a way to get more runs out of the top 6 on these tricky pitches. ..this doesn't look an easy pitch though AND the WI bowling was pretty good I thought. They didn't give much away and the boys had to play at a lot of balls.

  • sri2001 on April 17, 2012, 4:20 GMT

    The rain should have continued the full day, as viewers would have been saved watching the dull match. Even if the 11 great players of yesteryear would have coached this current WI team, they would not have still improved. In the 70s and 80s there would have been so many talent wasted because they could not have got a chance to play. Nowdays any body can play for WI who don't have talent. Such a pity for this country, who once dominated world cricket.

  • rotma11 on April 17, 2012, 2:48 GMT

    I cant believe there is an arguement over Baugh and Ramdin, both have proven themselves to be successful failures in WI colours. Let's not forget that Baugh not only missed Hussey, but he also missed Ponting and Sammy cleaned up his mess. The WI bowlers did an admiral job. Shillingford was great, Roach was expensive but took wickets, Fidel bowled without much luck and Sammhy just didn't bowl. As for the match, if we don't make atleast 250+, we can kiss the test match goodbye.

  • on April 17, 2012, 2:06 GMT

    @OzWally. becareful with ur assessment. im a West Indian, but i think india is still better than my team the west indies. at the moment australia seems to be the home team by applying better tactics on the west indies pitches and executing them better than the west indies. these are not pitches australia are accustomed to which is an embarrassment by my team which makes me wonder what my team can do on the bouncy australian pitches. now the indians are only having problems overseas and still make their home their fortress. so i will still consider the indians much better than west indies. the only difference is west indies produce better bowlers. but both west indian and indian batsmen lack application with the bat overseas. while west indies lack batting application on almost every surface

  • simonviller on April 17, 2012, 1:50 GMT

    Anyone who thinks that Baugh is a better keeper ,or batsman than Ramadin , should awake from their slumber ,for they would be dreaming !! Baugh to compare yourself with Ramadin ,score a century tomorrow and maybe I'll reconsider my statement .

  • on April 17, 2012, 1:07 GMT

    West Indies need to say how many chances a player deserves to stay in WI side ...some players seem to get more chances than others when they under perform... the selection process seem so unfair....smh

  • on April 17, 2012, 0:36 GMT

    Prior to selection for this second test, it was evident the first three batsmen will fail. They cannot perform due to lack of focus or concentration. Even Powell cannot stand up and defend his own wicket knowing two wickets fell as the afternoon closes. Hope Deonarine and Sammy score some runs on this TT wicket. If WI was OK with the top two since KA Edwards was out, it should have been Bishoo or Rampaul. Rampaul can use the home condition well and Bishoo would have contributed to early wickets. Unfortunately WI selectors cannot see that. WI should have gone for the extra bowler. Randy_Wilson said WI lose 50 runs and I see it as 70 runs. Clarke opened with Beer, what did WI did; keep the quickies too long. The bowling spells or changes were wrong. The mix of pace and spin was wrong

    Does anyone has the ICC info or a contact name. It is time to consider two WI teams. The territory is too large while the board continues to make the same mistakes and there is no light through the tunnel

  • shoddy on April 17, 2012, 0:27 GMT

    Australia are winning this series with experience alone, which hasn`t yet deserted them in spite of their lack of a world class side. 2 evenly matched teams in terms of ability. OzWally is correct, beating India has given false perspective to one or two teams lately.

  • Marcio on April 17, 2012, 0:20 GMT

    @RandyOz, you are in Lala Land! 250 would be a par score on this track, and 300 a good score. It will be tough for the Windies to win this, as they'll really need a lead of 50-100 to stay in the game. And why blame Langer for the batting failures, yet then fail to attribute Hussey's success to him? Do only failing batsmen listen to Langer? You need to lighten up a bit, and appreciate the successes when they come, and be a little humble and realistic when they don't. The guys are doing about as well as can be expected. AUS is going through a rebuilding phase. And hey have won seven of their last nine test matches, after all. What more do you want?

  • Silloh on April 17, 2012, 0:14 GMT

    When we miss vital catches or stumping it's diificult to recover from such. Australia has grabbed those opportunities and that 311 would feel like 511 on that pitch where the bounce is inconsistent. I would love to be proven wrong, with three days still to go and our top batsmen, Bravo and Chanderpaul still in the wicket. If they can both bat through the lenthen session until at least lunch time tomorrow , then we are in for another thrilling test.

  • todobless on April 16, 2012, 23:25 GMT

    @Silva-Surfa Did u just say Ramdin was a huge dissappointment with the bat....Look back at the series VS India, Baugh only had more runs than roach and ishant. He had the lowest averge overall. Ramdin came in the ODI-series scored 90+ runs in one ODi, and was among the top-run scorers, In the 4-day competition ramdin was not-out 3/4 times, scoring 150 runs not-out..etc, 3rd most runs b4 his injury. Ramdin also has 150 runs in international matches, How much Baugh has??............And every-1 knows Ramdin is the best Gloves-Man in the Caribbean

  • on April 16, 2012, 23:23 GMT

    Sammy is playing in the team as the captain............That warner decision change the whole game

  • Meety on April 16, 2012, 23:21 GMT

    @HatsforBats - re: Test Championship debate - won't catch on until the "Champions" Trophy dies a quick death!

  • RandyOZ on April 16, 2012, 23:01 GMT

    Well once again we were saved by Mike Hussey. Amazing player but we cannot keep relying on him. Where is the accountability with Langer? How does he keep escaping any sort of criticism? What is he telling our players?

  • ramps_wi on April 16, 2012, 22:54 GMT

    Pressure in Queens Park, Bravo and Chanders have to come good tommorrow, cause we cannot expect anything from Deonarine, Baugh and Sammy. I seriously think that we as West Inidans fans have seen soo much mediocrity that we have we have led to believe by the WICB that this is the best we have. Actually, they have succeeded in making us see Sammy as the best thing since slice bread

  • on April 16, 2012, 22:52 GMT

    I have been beating up the visionary WIBC way too much. I have been beating up the wonderful selectors way too much. I have been dumping on Gibson way too much. All of these have been doing a fantastic job...a really excellent job as the results continue to show.

  • Randy0Z on April 16, 2012, 22:43 GMT

    Nice to see someone has some gumption in this side with Hussey, although our worryingly long tail made sure he ran out of partners. Any decent side would have got 400 on this wicket.

  • on April 16, 2012, 22:35 GMT

    Shiv and Bravo can take us to 100 and it will get easier from there if we don't get anymore iffy decisions

  • rbj1112 on April 16, 2012, 22:23 GMT

    I can't understand why Calton Baugh is in any WI side! No doubt he has talent with the bat, but it is also evident that he lacks mindset to apply those talents! He has been around a long time and yet every time he goes out to bat there seems to be a lack of application! He just seems to play random shots and if he plays a shot and is beaten & let's say he gets the same delivery next he'll play the same stupid shot! Fidel Edwards to me is a good bowler who is very unlucky! His stats in matches & overall do not justify his bowling efforts! It would have been a tough decision to make to play him in front of Rampaul, but WI will always be a bowler short if they play 2 all-rounders! Sammy is an automatic selection considering he's captain so maybe Deonarine would have to be left out or a top order batsman considering they're not really contributing! K. Braithwaite & K. Powell aren't ready for Tests matches! One of these should be out for a bowler because Deonarine is much better than them!

  • OzWally on April 16, 2012, 22:10 GMT

    @Mel_Vin Not sure why you're giving up on WI already. This team has been more competitive so far than India was in Australia. You get better by playing team's better than you, not by scheduling minnows.

  • Randy_Wilson on April 16, 2012, 22:09 GMT

    West Indies Give away 50 Runs too much in my Option, and Baugh Should of Caught Hussey when we was i think around 10 runs and then he Miss stump Hussey again when he was on 40, that Drop catch will cost West Indies the Game.

    Also it's tiem to Tell K Brathwaite Go and play FC cricket, and play K Powell. and Simmons when he is fit again, Carry three of those Openers Powell, Barath and Simmons. With K Edwards 4th, Followed by Darren Bravo, S Chanderpaul, Deonarine (needs to improve his batting wouldn't Drop him right now, give him a few run), D Ramdin (bring him back), D Sammy, R Rampal, K Roach/F Edward, D Bishoo/Shillingford. That would be my future Squad and I would get Pollard in this team. Replacing Chanderpaul Position for the Future, but they need to play him maybe swap him around with Deonarine. But DONT drop Deonarine. West Indies is Developing into a good team, I am just worried about the Opening pair. even with Gayle, the opening is and it's still an Issue in WI.

  • HatsforBats on April 16, 2012, 22:05 GMT

    311 should be a more than competitive total on this pitch. A strong start with the ball puts Aus in the drivers seat, but as we saw in the first test, don't count out the spirit of the WI, or the potential of an Aus collapse.

  • HatsforBats on April 16, 2012, 21:49 GMT

    @ Mel_Vin, WI are a young and talented side, just a little inconsistent (like EVERY test team in world cricket at the moment). I do like the idea though of bringing in more test playing nations, probably in a 2 tiered system (time to reignite the test championship debate).

  • HatsforBats on April 16, 2012, 21:44 GMT

    @ Victor Darrell, the law is there to prevent the previously used negative tactic of bowling into the pads from around the wicket. The law is fine the way it is.

  • Ra_Thore on April 16, 2012, 21:19 GMT

    WI test standards too low even at home to play Aussies. I think WI should invite minnows like Zimbabwe, Ireland, or Scotland to improve their standards. Once gotten normal, they can play Pakistan, Australia, or South Africa.

  • on April 16, 2012, 20:58 GMT

    Like every thing else, 300 plus runs is like 500 for WI on this Trinidad wicket. The three spin attack with the inclusion of Bishoo would have seen Australia fell around 250 - 260 runs. Shillingford and Deonarine used the wicket and spun well so would have Bishoo. Very economical bowling from both men. WI will need that 70 runs though.. Sammy, keep an eye on Clark how he utilizes his bowlers and introduce that strategy on the second innings. You may get results.

  • on April 16, 2012, 20:02 GMT

    Well done Kemar Roach,he was not at his best in last years test series against Pakistan at home and India in India,he worked hard during the first class season,bowled really well during the ODI series,this continued in Barbados and now this test match,so continue your hard work,you are now the most threatening of the pacers.

  • Robinb1 on April 16, 2012, 20:01 GMT

    so sammy is in the team as a four bowler and has bowled the least amount of overs than the others.. hmmmmm

  • one-eyed-but-keepinitreal on April 16, 2012, 19:25 GMT

    @Silva-Surfa yes you are missing something as the ball struck Clarke outside the line of off stump while playing a shot. this is not out under the laws of criket. You may be confused because Cowan was given out under the same circumstances.

  • zenboomerang on April 16, 2012, 19:25 GMT

    @Silva-Surfa... You answered your own question... "The ball might've pitched outside the line of off-stump"... Check the rule book for all the permutations, but otherwise its end of story...

  • Dav1daKing on April 16, 2012, 19:23 GMT

    yh.. ur missin da rule dat states.. as long as the batsman is playing a shot and the ball hits him on his pads putside the line of the off stump, the batsman must be given not out.

  • on April 16, 2012, 19:21 GMT

    The LBW rule is a joke!! It should be simplified. You should be out LBW, if in the view of the umpire, the ball would have hit the stumps period!! As was the case with Clarke yesterday, that was leg before wicket!! With the current rule, you are asking the umpire to make a split second judgement that the ball was pitched in line with the stumps and he cannot be off by a few inches!! That's crazy!! You could see the umpire that gave the decision yesterday against Clarke was visibly shaken and embarrassed. Now that umpire, i believe, will have second doubts about handing out LBW decisions. ICC, do the right thing and change this rule...

  • on April 16, 2012, 18:32 GMT

    no the ball struck him marginally outside the line apparntly

  • SDHM on April 16, 2012, 18:23 GMT

    Silva - it hit him outside the line of off-stump whilst he was playing a shot so it's technically not out (although it couldn't get much closer!), which was why it was overturned. The Windies really need to start finishing off innings as it's hurting them badly. The right bowling attack would help - I still maintain than Rampaul should be in this side over Fidel Edwards (he's a better bowler by far) and I think, on this pitch, Bishoo has been missed, even though he hasn't been in the greatest of form.

  • joesat on April 16, 2012, 18:11 GMT

    If the ball struck the batman's pad outside the line of off stump, even if the ball would have gone on to hit the stumps, it is not out. That is what happened in this case. The ball hit Clark's Pad very slightly outside the line of off stump. Even though the ball is clearly going to hit the stumps, the rule says he is not out.

  • Rally_Windies on April 16, 2012, 17:58 GMT

    @ Silva-Surfa

    everytime peopl keep complaining that Baugh is a better wicket keeper than Rhamdin ...

    I wonder if they watch the same Test & ODI games as me ....

    the whole world see's Baugh drop catch after catch .... but in the West Indies, he is a better keeper than Rhamdin....

    and even though Buagh and RHamdin have almost identical batting records... some still say Baugh is a better batsman....

    I will never understand WI selector and fan logic..... (even though I am West Indian) I does wonder if people know how ridiculous they sound to the outside world .....

  • Island-man on April 16, 2012, 17:22 GMT

    We need to tighten up guys this is the deciding match for the series.

  • Silva-Surfa on April 16, 2012, 16:19 GMT

    Well you can't keep giving someone of Hussey's quality chances. A drop catch yesterday and a missed stumping today, could really cost us. He'll probably go on to make a century now and put the Aussies in control with a highly competitive total. Baugh better watch himself and contribute with the bat, otherwise i could see his place in jeopady. Ramdin might've been a huge disappointment with the bat, but his glovework was never in question. Could somebody out there clarify the lbw rule for me please, because i'm still baffled about the Michael Clarke decision being overruled after the review. The ball might've pitched outside the line of off-stump, but turned to hit middle and Clarke went back, no inside-edge, stuck in his crease, plumb in front, am i missing something?...

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  • Silva-Surfa on April 16, 2012, 16:19 GMT

    Well you can't keep giving someone of Hussey's quality chances. A drop catch yesterday and a missed stumping today, could really cost us. He'll probably go on to make a century now and put the Aussies in control with a highly competitive total. Baugh better watch himself and contribute with the bat, otherwise i could see his place in jeopady. Ramdin might've been a huge disappointment with the bat, but his glovework was never in question. Could somebody out there clarify the lbw rule for me please, because i'm still baffled about the Michael Clarke decision being overruled after the review. The ball might've pitched outside the line of off-stump, but turned to hit middle and Clarke went back, no inside-edge, stuck in his crease, plumb in front, am i missing something?...

  • Island-man on April 16, 2012, 17:22 GMT

    We need to tighten up guys this is the deciding match for the series.

  • Rally_Windies on April 16, 2012, 17:58 GMT

    @ Silva-Surfa

    everytime peopl keep complaining that Baugh is a better wicket keeper than Rhamdin ...

    I wonder if they watch the same Test & ODI games as me ....

    the whole world see's Baugh drop catch after catch .... but in the West Indies, he is a better keeper than Rhamdin....

    and even though Buagh and RHamdin have almost identical batting records... some still say Baugh is a better batsman....

    I will never understand WI selector and fan logic..... (even though I am West Indian) I does wonder if people know how ridiculous they sound to the outside world .....

  • joesat on April 16, 2012, 18:11 GMT

    If the ball struck the batman's pad outside the line of off stump, even if the ball would have gone on to hit the stumps, it is not out. That is what happened in this case. The ball hit Clark's Pad very slightly outside the line of off stump. Even though the ball is clearly going to hit the stumps, the rule says he is not out.

  • SDHM on April 16, 2012, 18:23 GMT

    Silva - it hit him outside the line of off-stump whilst he was playing a shot so it's technically not out (although it couldn't get much closer!), which was why it was overturned. The Windies really need to start finishing off innings as it's hurting them badly. The right bowling attack would help - I still maintain than Rampaul should be in this side over Fidel Edwards (he's a better bowler by far) and I think, on this pitch, Bishoo has been missed, even though he hasn't been in the greatest of form.

  • on April 16, 2012, 18:32 GMT

    no the ball struck him marginally outside the line apparntly

  • on April 16, 2012, 19:21 GMT

    The LBW rule is a joke!! It should be simplified. You should be out LBW, if in the view of the umpire, the ball would have hit the stumps period!! As was the case with Clarke yesterday, that was leg before wicket!! With the current rule, you are asking the umpire to make a split second judgement that the ball was pitched in line with the stumps and he cannot be off by a few inches!! That's crazy!! You could see the umpire that gave the decision yesterday against Clarke was visibly shaken and embarrassed. Now that umpire, i believe, will have second doubts about handing out LBW decisions. ICC, do the right thing and change this rule...

  • Dav1daKing on April 16, 2012, 19:23 GMT

    yh.. ur missin da rule dat states.. as long as the batsman is playing a shot and the ball hits him on his pads putside the line of the off stump, the batsman must be given not out.

  • zenboomerang on April 16, 2012, 19:25 GMT

    @Silva-Surfa... You answered your own question... "The ball might've pitched outside the line of off-stump"... Check the rule book for all the permutations, but otherwise its end of story...

  • one-eyed-but-keepinitreal on April 16, 2012, 19:25 GMT

    @Silva-Surfa yes you are missing something as the ball struck Clarke outside the line of off stump while playing a shot. this is not out under the laws of criket. You may be confused because Cowan was given out under the same circumstances.