England v Netherlands, World T20, Group 1, Chittagong March 31, 2014

Netherlands humiliate England

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Netherlands 133 for 5 (Barresi 48) beat England 88 (van Beek 3-9, Bukhari 3-12) by 45 runs
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England 'flipped' to new low by Bukhari

There is a great deal of competition for the lowest point in the history of English cricket. They have been defeated by Ireland and Netherlands, bowled out by a chicken farmer in Zimbabwe and whitewashed by India, West Indies and Australia. They were even knocked out of the World Cup they hosted in 1999 before the theme song was released.

But defeat at the hands of Netherlands - the second time they have lost to them in two meetings following the result in the 2009 World T20 at Lord's - in Chittagong ranks among the worst of England's defeats. In a winter stuffed with setbacks and disappointment, England left the most ignominious moment until last. The term double-dutch has rarely seemed so appropriate.

It is a defeat that might also prove a fatal blow for Ashley Giles' hopes of gaining the England coaching job. While those at the ECB charged with appointing the next coach might have been expected to take a sympathetic view towards some modest results in light of the transitional phase in which the team find themselves, it may prove harder to overlook a defeat at the hands of Netherlands: a team that were beaten by Zimbabwe early in the tournament; a team that were bowled out for 39 by Sri Lanka a few days ago; a team that recently lost their ODI status.

Those same men charged with appointing the coach might also like to reflect on the wisdom of dispensing with Kevin Pietersen weeks before the tournament, too. Whether he is disruptive or not in the dressing room - and the evidence of those who shared it with him is mixed - there is no doubt that, without him, England are a weaker team on the pitch.

This was a wretched performance. While Netherlands hit three boundaries in the first over of the game, England managed only four in their entire innings. While Holland took 47 off their six Powerplay overs, England managed only 26 for the loss of three wickets off theirs; their second lowest in T20 history. Their final total - a pathetic effort of 88 - was the lowest ever recorded by Full Member nation against an Associate.

It summed up England's awful performance that defeat was sealed by a shambolic run-out. Had an unknowing spectator sauntered into the ground, they could have been forgiven for concluding that England was the Associate nation and Netherlands were the Test regulars.

But it is harsh to focus on England's shortcomings when Netherlands performance warrants praise. Certainly their bowling - intelligent, disciplined and calm - was highly impressive and their fielding calm and assured. They deserve huge plaudits for defending a target that looked some way below par, albeit on a pitch that rendered stroke-making difficult.

Timm van der Gugten bowled with pace and control in taking the key wicket of Eoin Morgan, falling to an old weakness and edging one pushed wide of his off stump, while Mudassar Bukhari's control and variations preyed on an England batting line-up chronically lacking in confidence on a sluggish surface. Logan van Beek also claimed three wickets in two overs by virtue simply of maintaining and decent line and length and preying on England's increasing panic.

However, the key difference was the composure of Netherlands compared to England. While the Dutch played to the conditions, England attempted to play as if on a quicker surface. With the ball not coming on to the bat as England might have liked, the batsmen were encouraged to hit the ball in the air and presented a succession of chances to Netherland's grateful, and sharp fielders. Only three men made double-figures and none made more than 18.

Earlier, it seemed as if England had clawed Netherlands back to a manageable total after a bright start. Stephan Myburgh and Wesley Barresi put on 50 for the second wicket in 43 balls, with Stephen Parry, playing in place of the much-derided Jade Dernbach, punished for 23 off his two overs.

The fielding lapses that have marred England's winter were prevalent once again. Michael Lumb, mistiming his leap, was unable to cling on to a pull stroke by Barresi on 8 off Parry's first delivery - a long-hop - and instead of catching it, tipped the ball for six. Tom Cooper, on 4, was badly dropped by Alex Hales, while Peter Borren might have been run-out had Buttler not dislodged the bails with his elbow before collecting the ball.

But, having made 84 from the first 11 overs, Netherlands scored only 49 from their final nine as Ravi Bopara, in particular, bowled with excellent control and variation. Only 27 came from the final five overs and it seemed they had squandered their fine platform.

It proved to be more than enough, though. England's run-chase never gained any momentum. Nobody took responsibility for their chase, no-one had the composure for the job at hand. Complacency is one potential excuse, but how a team that has been thrashed all winter can be find room for complacency is hard to say.

Either way, while the result may prove a hammer blow to Giles' chances of gaining the England job his counterpart, Anton Roux, must have given himself an excellent chance of gaining the Netherlands job on a full time basis.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • MeijiMura on April 1, 2014, 5:20 GMT

    Great performance by the Dutch. They should have defeated South Africa too, but at least in defeating England they won't leave the tournament empty handed. It would have been interesting had every team in the tournament played each other because the Dutch would have fancied themselves against both Bangladesh and Australia as well. It's too bad they won't be at the World Cup next year. There will be a lot of pressure on Scotland and the UAE to perform given that Hong Kong beat Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, Ireland beat Zimbabwe and the Netherlands beat England. Ireland will be there but the other two won't be and it's highly arguable that Scotland and the UAE are better than Hong Kong and the Netherlands or even Nepal for that matter. I don't think they are. After losing international status and not playing a part in England's domestic competition this year the future for the Netherlands looks highly uncertain. It is a waste given all the potential they showed at the T20 World Cup.

  • Htc-Android on April 1, 2014, 17:34 GMT

    England should thank SL for saving their embarrassment. First we spoiled netherlands net run rate. Then we gifted a game to England, which we should have won it. This effectively prevented England coming last in the group and also prevented from going to the qualifying round for the next T20 world cup.

  • Ross_Co on April 1, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    Conditions very much against 'England' in this game so probably unfair to criticize. Netherlands had 11 players for instance, many of whom had played cricket before. Apart from the losing, 'England' did very well in the circumstances & I'd see it as yet another legacy game from them.

    Expect a much better showing by them in the upcoming test tour of Greenland.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 1, 2014, 15:24 GMT

    @Mervo, if T20 is as easy as you make it sound, then what's preventing some teams with centuries of history to put up a good show in the conditions provided? Sour grapes is it? Get well soon son!

  • on April 1, 2014, 14:26 GMT

    Well look on the bright side..England can't get any worse.....

  • on April 1, 2014, 13:15 GMT

    Part of the big 3!! Really!!

  • shanijkrishna on April 1, 2014, 13:02 GMT

    May be conditions in sub continent effect England progress. They have to prepare to bat against spin and atleast produce spinner like swan

  • jmcilhinney on April 1, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    @Aqeel AbdulRehman on (March 31, 2014, 19:38 GMT), it's not a case of the English public not being interested in cricket any more because they're interested in football. There's just as much interest in cricket as there has always been but there has always been far more interest in football in England. Cricket has always been a long way behind football in terms of interest and participation. I only lived in England for a couple of years when I was about 11-12 but I recollect the level of interest being probably greater than 10 to 1.

  • RFC73 on April 1, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    Pathetic!. The only good thing about this shambles is that surely the ECB won't appoint yes man Giles and go for someone else. What is Tom Moody doing just now? But well done Holland you wanted it more. And if we had no KP, Holland had no RTD (who embarrsed us at the last World Cup).

  • geoffboyc on April 1, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    The Netherlands bowled and fielded well against a very lacklustre England team who seemed to be waiting for the plane home. But those who imply they are ready for full test status should look at Division A of the Yorkshire Bank 40 over competition last season. Netherlands finished next to bottom with two wins out of 12 games against county teams several of which didn't normally even have their best players available.

  • MeijiMura on April 1, 2014, 5:20 GMT

    Great performance by the Dutch. They should have defeated South Africa too, but at least in defeating England they won't leave the tournament empty handed. It would have been interesting had every team in the tournament played each other because the Dutch would have fancied themselves against both Bangladesh and Australia as well. It's too bad they won't be at the World Cup next year. There will be a lot of pressure on Scotland and the UAE to perform given that Hong Kong beat Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, Ireland beat Zimbabwe and the Netherlands beat England. Ireland will be there but the other two won't be and it's highly arguable that Scotland and the UAE are better than Hong Kong and the Netherlands or even Nepal for that matter. I don't think they are. After losing international status and not playing a part in England's domestic competition this year the future for the Netherlands looks highly uncertain. It is a waste given all the potential they showed at the T20 World Cup.

  • Htc-Android on April 1, 2014, 17:34 GMT

    England should thank SL for saving their embarrassment. First we spoiled netherlands net run rate. Then we gifted a game to England, which we should have won it. This effectively prevented England coming last in the group and also prevented from going to the qualifying round for the next T20 world cup.

  • Ross_Co on April 1, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    Conditions very much against 'England' in this game so probably unfair to criticize. Netherlands had 11 players for instance, many of whom had played cricket before. Apart from the losing, 'England' did very well in the circumstances & I'd see it as yet another legacy game from them.

    Expect a much better showing by them in the upcoming test tour of Greenland.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on April 1, 2014, 15:24 GMT

    @Mervo, if T20 is as easy as you make it sound, then what's preventing some teams with centuries of history to put up a good show in the conditions provided? Sour grapes is it? Get well soon son!

  • on April 1, 2014, 14:26 GMT

    Well look on the bright side..England can't get any worse.....

  • on April 1, 2014, 13:15 GMT

    Part of the big 3!! Really!!

  • shanijkrishna on April 1, 2014, 13:02 GMT

    May be conditions in sub continent effect England progress. They have to prepare to bat against spin and atleast produce spinner like swan

  • jmcilhinney on April 1, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    @Aqeel AbdulRehman on (March 31, 2014, 19:38 GMT), it's not a case of the English public not being interested in cricket any more because they're interested in football. There's just as much interest in cricket as there has always been but there has always been far more interest in football in England. Cricket has always been a long way behind football in terms of interest and participation. I only lived in England for a couple of years when I was about 11-12 but I recollect the level of interest being probably greater than 10 to 1.

  • RFC73 on April 1, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    Pathetic!. The only good thing about this shambles is that surely the ECB won't appoint yes man Giles and go for someone else. What is Tom Moody doing just now? But well done Holland you wanted it more. And if we had no KP, Holland had no RTD (who embarrsed us at the last World Cup).

  • geoffboyc on April 1, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    The Netherlands bowled and fielded well against a very lacklustre England team who seemed to be waiting for the plane home. But those who imply they are ready for full test status should look at Division A of the Yorkshire Bank 40 over competition last season. Netherlands finished next to bottom with two wins out of 12 games against county teams several of which didn't normally even have their best players available.

  • jonnyboy82 on April 1, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    There seems to be a culture within English cricket of looking to blame someone else everytime something goes wrong. We had that with Pietersen who was the fall guy for the Ashes capitulation, worryingly the future coach was busy pointing the finger at everyone else for their complacency in this debacle. Giles is a nice fella but I'd like to see someone a bit tougher take on the role, maybe Nasser Hussein.

  • on April 1, 2014, 9:58 GMT

    England can join the associates and have an exciting time playing Gibraltar and Bermuda.

  • Stormf on April 1, 2014, 9:50 GMT

    The selectors won't make any changes if the dressing room is happy. They only get involved when the dressing room is unhappy.

  • BoxOchocolates on April 1, 2014, 9:33 GMT

    Please refrain from using words such as Humiliate. This is just a game of cricket. No humiliation for any team that plays the game.

  • on April 1, 2014, 9:32 GMT

    england should take t20 andone days seriously..otherwise it wil not win...try sending ur best players...find atleast one good spinner...sack DERNBACH

  • LALITHKURUWITA on April 1, 2014, 9:00 GMT

    English introduced T20 and got hammered by Non Test Playing country in T20 WC.

  • SAF-Fan-no-1 on April 1, 2014, 8:55 GMT

    I love ECB & ACB the way dealing with Cricketer - who ever proud him self a big man sure they get read off. English Cricket Board should forget involve KP. Even if KP was there English Team can't win. Completely send home and don't talk about KP, KP...!. Concentrate building new English Cricket Team. perhaps in T20 lead the Morgan and Drop Bresnan, Broad, Bopara, and most expensive bowler of English Team is Dernbach. Drop them all. Get new Guy...! and carry on from them. On same note Lead the 50Over Side to Morgan, Please do not involve Cook in 50 Over, it make my self fool. He is not 50 Over Batsman. Get involve Trot in 50 Over. Make Spinner Pitches in England one.

  • ullasjp on April 1, 2014, 8:18 GMT

    This is why none of the players from england got selected for ipl-7.. Their arrogance reflected in their performance. This what happens if they show disrespect to big players like KP.. KP in India every one luvs u waiting to see you bat in IPL

  • EnglishSaint on April 1, 2014, 8:16 GMT

    England must go back to basics. Play your best players in the format they excel as long as they in form and not just reputation or playing for the 'big' counties.

  • JG2704 on April 1, 2014, 8:14 GMT

    I see there are still comms re Broad's captaincy.

    In this game I see no issues re captaincy.I'd say that was about the only positive from the game.

    1 - He played a 2nd spin option which we were all crying out for 2 - He was less regimented in so many decisions inc

    A- Not bowling Ali again when he went for big runs in the 1st B - Not bowling Bres at the death where he had gone for runs C - Having Bopara bowling his full quota D - Bringing the field in to create a pressure and not giving Netherlands easy runs.

    Vs SL and SA England were in ok positions at the halfway stage of their inns (when bowling) and both teams ran away with the total. In this game they were 43-1 after 5 and 75-1 after 10 and the RR came down throughout the inns. Surely if we lambast his captaincy in the SL/SA games for the way those teams ran away in the 2nd part of the inns his captaincy must be a big part of dragging the RR back yesterday. Shambolic with bat but this was not Broad's captaincy

  • YorkshirePudding on April 1, 2014, 8:07 GMT

    England often get a lot of flak for having a couple of overseas players in thier squad, however I dont see the same in regards to the Dutch team who only fielded 2 players who were born in the Holland, with the rest of the team consisting of of 5 South africans, 2 Aussies, 1 Kiwi and 1 Pakistani.

  • Anil_Koshy on April 1, 2014, 7:59 GMT

    Its high time that England should start taking shorter version seriously, they pick mediocre players in the side, Ravi Bopara, Ali, Bresnan are not consistent players barring Alex Hales and Morgan, they don't have even a single player who looks fit to play in shorter version.

  • Zetta on April 1, 2014, 7:56 GMT

    I was really happy with the result. The Dutch deserved to win this one. They performed well in the group stage and despite the big loss to Sri Lanka, were looking good overall. And let's be honest - England were the second weakest team in this group. Hell, it's unbelievable that they won against Sri Lanka the other night. But that's what you get when you sack your best player. Let's see who they sack now /probably no one/. Donmai, England will still feel that they are 'the cream of the crop', while getting trashed everywhere they go ~

  • JG2704 on April 1, 2014, 7:50 GMT

    @Loco Wap - Your obsession of hating England is admirable.

    I see Australia have a consistent record in this tournament. Maybe you could think about posting something constructive on your own sides deficiencies and how to put them right? Of course it was a tougher group but weren't they supposed to be the best side on the planet by a distance?

  • JG2704 on April 1, 2014, 7:45 GMT

    @Vinod_Fab on (March 31, 2014, 17:36 GMT) Bud , I know you love KP but in this WC as a whole it's not been our batting that has failed. Of that batting line up you listed only KP is missing and yes of course you could say that KP would have been the difference but may I counter question "was he the difference in tests in Australia?" I'm not for discarding him but I think folk should maybe see how he does in this years IPL. Maybe he will excel but it wouldn't surprise me if he has a lame one.

  • Protears on April 1, 2014, 7:34 GMT

    Its reached a point were i am legitimately feeling sorry for England, that said I think there is a severe shortage of talent in English Cricket.

  • on April 1, 2014, 7:10 GMT

    They were white washed by Sri Lanka in England as well in the ODI series where in one of the matches Jayasuriya & Upul Tharanga set up the world record for the first wicket partnership in ODIs in 2006 as well for your record..... :)

  • Adoh on April 1, 2014, 6:39 GMT

    Well, have to say that I feel for the English after this result, and I'm an Aussie. Someone made the comment here that in T20's all you need is a little luck and anyone can win. I have to agree, and the reason why this doesn't translate to the longer formats of the game is because you can only rely on luck for a short time - eventually it will run out.

  • IndiaNumeroUno on April 1, 2014, 6:15 GMT

    Congratulations the Dutch!!... it was not that England played too bad relative to skills they have, but the Dutch were just too good. England can go back to playing ashes and their county matches (if its not raining).

  • A1499 on April 1, 2014, 6:15 GMT

    congratz Netherlands . awesome show, shows that the gap between associates and full members ain't that big its just that the others keep trying to pin them down.teams like IRELAND especially need to be given to play full members more in their bid for test status

  • Not_Another_Keybored_Expert on April 1, 2014, 6:13 GMT

    @MichaelBurton The group the Dutch were in is by far the easier group, IND,PAK,WI and even AUS would have all got though this group, only Sri Lanka would have troubled them.

  • iamgroot on April 1, 2014, 5:59 GMT

    England lost to Netherlands by 45 runs. That's a huge margin in T20 and the win makes it that much more special as it came in WC T20. England has themselves to blame. Poor shots, Very very poor captaincy from Broad, terrible captain. He is not fit to lead Eng side. England has very good players but they were like ship without direction only heading to bottom. A good captain is required for Eng team. Someone who is cool and can think straight in high pressure times. KP has the last laugh. Eng team without KP is very very weak. They cannot overlook a brilliant talented player like KP. Bring back KP and change the captain to get better. It can't get worse than this. NL team on the other hand showed twice in two matches that they can knock out test playing teams. They need guidance and more opportunities to get better. They were more hungry for success and their ground fielding and catching was awesome. NL team can only get better. Congrats Dutch team.

  • BD_Cricketer on April 1, 2014, 5:55 GMT

    @MichaelBurton, @Rohit and @checkOnCricket - please read my comment :-) @ms2000 - agree with you!

  • wellrounded87 on April 1, 2014, 5:54 GMT

    @ms2000 let's not be ridiculous. If the Netherlands and England played 100 T20 games i'd wager England would win at least 75 of them.

    T20 is a coin toss of a game, anyone can win with a little bit of luck. Australia for example are probably one of the top 3 teams on paper yet bowed out in straight sets despite wrecking England and South Africa in the lead up and going 1-1 against India.

    @MichaelBurton That probably has a lot to do with the BCCI

  • on April 1, 2014, 5:53 GMT

    ECB bring kp back, england is nothing without kp... There is no point of sacking kp, he was the highest run getter from england side in ashes then how can he be sacked....

  • on April 1, 2014, 5:22 GMT

    Dutch played very good cricket in this T20. Best wishes from Nepal.

  • checkOnCricket on April 1, 2014, 5:18 GMT

    From their ( Dutch) first loss to Srl, they had shown good progress and maturity and had played quality cricket. They really deserve test playing status rather than Bangladesh.

    They should start playing more international cricket or atleast more cricket along with international players. Hope Dutch players start playing IPL and they soon start touring major countries..

  • on April 1, 2014, 4:30 GMT

    Enlgand Team without KP is worse than associate nation Team. What goes around come back around :D :D

  • Rohit... on April 1, 2014, 3:22 GMT

    Netherlands deserve Test Status more than Bangladesh...

  • MichaelBurton on April 1, 2014, 3:16 GMT

    Dutch were really unlucky to be grouped with Saffas, Sri Lanka and Kiwis. Otherwise, they would have atleast touched the semis. Who knows? Also, Ireland were unlucky to be grouped with Dutch. Otherwise, no Bangladesh for the main round and couple of more full members would have been humiliated.

  • ms2000 on April 1, 2014, 3:07 GMT

    I think ICC should re consider England's place in T 20's. In reality Netherlands are far better than the Enlish team. ICC should remove England from the T20's and let them play as a associate country only for T20's. Next we can see how they perform at the WC 2015. They wont be any better. Lots of things are wrong with the English team . There is no team work. Each one plays to protect their place in the team. Coaching has a bigger problem. Very pathetic display of Cricket from England

  • BradmanBestEver on April 1, 2014, 2:59 GMT

    Results in this tournament highlight the fact that T20 is much more about luck than other forms of the game of cricket.

    It is not the best form of the game to determine who are the better teams / players which is why I take little notice of T20.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on April 1, 2014, 2:46 GMT

    @KrikIndfan-Aus' recd. is best in sub cont. even among sides from this region,except maybe Ind.Here are a few.WC W,WC runner up,CT W,many other odi series/tourney Ws,exceptional test recd of series W in all places.Diff. matter they had a great team then.

  • MichaelBurton on April 1, 2014, 2:39 GMT

    Associate teams like Dutch and Ireland teams are far better than test playing Bangladesh. Something wrong has happened by ICC on this. Had Ireland and Dutch been in seperate groups in the preliminary round, no bangladesh for the main round. Also in the main round, Dutch were really unlucky to be grouped with high riding Saffas, Sri Lanka and Kiwis. Otherwise, there would have been a slight chance for them to go for semis.

  • on April 1, 2014, 2:09 GMT

    Why is ten Doeschate not playing?

  • warnerbasher on April 1, 2014, 2:04 GMT

    Is this yawnfest still going. Bring back the proper cricket

  • getsetgopk on April 1, 2014, 1:39 GMT

    The flying dutchmen did it again, two in two, but to be fair to Broad and his men, they weren't into to it, they just wanted to go home for the event was long lost.

  • on April 1, 2014, 1:24 GMT

    Hi Krikind. If Aus and Eng can't perform in Asian wickets and India has always been a failure on wickets except India than y r they called Big-3 :)

  • PACERONE on April 1, 2014, 1:04 GMT

    Two of the big 3 have returned home . Netherlands should of beaten SA.This proves that money does not guarantee a winning team.I am glad that KP was not involved..they will have to find another scapegoat. Poor Giiles!!! Saying all the right things at news conferences is about the best that England can do.They should try the Faulkner style.

  • on April 1, 2014, 0:50 GMT

    Neteherland should replace england in big 3. hahah

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on April 1, 2014, 0:15 GMT

    Totally enjoyed that glorious game in 2011 wc v Ireland, and look on Jimmy A's face after Kobe Briant-oh!,its KO Brian-launched his juicy offering for 1 of his dozen 6s into B'lore sky.This 1's right up there! 3 cheers for the Dutch!

  • on April 1, 2014, 0:14 GMT

    T20 is a game for those with attention deficit disorder, or at the very least, short attention spans. Can't wait for the next 50 over World Cup and the resumption of Test hostilities.

  • BD_Cricketer on March 31, 2014, 23:54 GMT

    @Waheed Shirzay - Before Bashing Bangladesh on every chance you get, please try to think about the overall performance of the so called BIG names as well. Australia didnt do better than Bangladesh until now in this T20 tounament. They even managed to get all out for 86 against India. WOw!!

    England got thrashed in their tour to Aus this summer in all Test, ODI and T20. Poor team even lost to Ned now hopelessly. Hmm....only problem is when Bangladesh loose to an associate!

    In last 8 test that BD has played - they won 1, lost 3 and drw 4. On the other hand the last 8 test England played - they won 1, lost 5 and drwd 2. So which performance you think is better?? Dont just bash a team just for the shake of bashing. Otherwise you look "Intellectually" disabled.

  • Nik84 on March 31, 2014, 23:34 GMT

    England will never learn and will never win any ICC trophy. Just before the World cup they have again messed up. England management if you guys can't manage player and can't select players on merit then may do a 1 year course for man management.Good for improving your skills. Eng has never been threatening and never looks like winning any major tournament, neither they look ok for Ashes so i guess only play county cricket and enjoy there only. Andy Flower believed in dictatorship and when he was in ZIM he stood against same kind of policy. Such a double standard of this guy and Giles needing a job sacked KP.anyways its not about KP only its about how you manage your game which is pathetic. No wonder england dont have that many ODI fans. Test cricket they are struggling too. Another wake up call for them after the one they snoozed in ashes. Good luck

  • on March 31, 2014, 23:14 GMT

    It's not Holland! Holland refers to two provinces within the Netherlands. Not that hard to get right

  • Rowayton on March 31, 2014, 23:05 GMT

    When it was obvious Australia weren't going to make it, I said I would change my support to England. Anybody want to pay me to not support their team?

  • on March 31, 2014, 22:57 GMT

    Dropping Pieterson was definitely a master stroke.

  • jmcilhinney on March 31, 2014, 22:54 GMT

    I'm pleased for the Dutch because they have played some very good cricket during this tournament, although I'm not pleased that their reward came against England. I think it's fair to say that England were a bit over it, having come so close to such a big chase against SA but being eliminated nonetheless. They most likely underestimated the Dutch somewhat too. Even if these are reasons though, they are still not an excuse. This is symptomatic of the mental issues that England must overcome if they are to be any chance of getting anywhere near the top of the rankings again. It wasn't long ago that they were talking about being ruthless in finishing teams off and now they can't maintain their intensity against an Associate. Sure, it's been a long, hard winter but pride alone should have been enough for them to ensure that they put in a creditable performance against a lowly ranked opponent in their last game before returning home. The long, hard road doesn't end here.

  • Aus_guy on March 31, 2014, 22:50 GMT

    Another so called BIG has been defeated by associated member, wonder why they themselves call BIG-3 ?

  • Mervo on March 31, 2014, 22:11 GMT

    Not at all. I wouldn't take any of this event very seriously. There have been some bizarre results, not ever seen before. The grey rolled mud that serves for wickets has produced surfaces where a team from the back blocks of Afghanistan could, on any day, be world beaters. While it is fun in a kind of lottery, 'romantic' style, it is not an event that will ever be taken seriously because of the very odd conditions made available for this event.

  • MULLIK on March 31, 2014, 22:10 GMT

    And by the way bro.... Waheed Shirjay ....all out for 39.......what a close match

  • shot274 on March 31, 2014, 21:59 GMT

    The sad aspect of all this is that the Netherlands do not have any competitive cricket for ages now. Associate nations will always spring surprises-this isnt the first and will not be the last. England will regroup or whatever but Netherland will have no chance to further their skills. If the ICC really wants Associate nations to improve it is not enough to give them a taster of the 'big boys' once every few years. Congratulations to the Dutch for a superb win.Just so sad that they cant build on it. These tournaments cannot simply have the likes of Ireland, Afghanistan and Netherlands for temporary glory/humiliation.

  • MULLIK on March 31, 2014, 21:54 GMT

    @Waheed Shirzay..... hey bro, which team do you support? England or Nederland? It is a game between those two teams and out of the blue you bring Bangladesh here. What is the matter bro? Doesn't BD look much better after those Performances by AUSTRALIA, NEWZEALAND and ENGLAND? I think you should be there in ICC board to treat the Dutch, Afghans fairly and call them a Test nation. How low can you go just to utter a few words against BD? Did you read the first paragraph of this report? You did not even congratulate Nederland but straightway went after BD. What a poor mentality.

  • on March 31, 2014, 21:29 GMT

    With reference to the lowest points you have listed, they have also been white washed by Pakistan ! Wasn't too long ago in fact.

  • on March 31, 2014, 21:23 GMT

    Hmm, Martin Crowe says England are in a rebuilding phase. I s'pose it's the polite way of saying "in a state of complete melt-down".

  • JG2704 on March 31, 2014, 21:20 GMT

    @ CodandChips - I've calmed down a little now . The particularly sad thing about today was that Bres and Broad didn't go for runs and rather than putting an exclamation mark on the changes which needed to be made it may make the selectors (if they were having doubts about Bres) have 2nd thoughts about dropping him and because Parry and Ali went for runs it may make them quash any ideas against playing a mostly spin attack? Re it being a wake up call - how many wake up calls do we need? Would stick with Jordan and I suppose at least one correct decision (Bopara bowling his full quota) came off.

  • woody3 on March 31, 2014, 21:12 GMT

    Well done Netherlands. Giles to manage all three - you must be having a laugh.

    Obviously dropping Pieterson has solved all the problems, lets pick the Lords Taverners for England they are all jolly nice chaps after all who wants to win or has any pride in English Cricket after this winter anyway?

  • on March 31, 2014, 21:08 GMT

    netherlands should join the other 9 test teams now.. they deserved it... it was not floke win... they performed well throughout the tourmanent which most test teams could have not been done.. not a one time only .. chased 190, tough match vs S. africa almost won that match.. beaten England now.. forget their low score as Aus and NZ also got out in low scores... bring them in now

  • Kulaputra on March 31, 2014, 20:52 GMT

    It is time that IIC thought seriously about England's position in T20 cricket. They have lost by big margins to everyone including the associates. To preserve quality, England must qualify in the next T20 via the associate route.

    #Blamekp

  • thePakistanian on March 31, 2014, 20:40 GMT

    This is the problem of ENGLISH CRICKET overall! THE DRAMA... Drama of tiredness (WC-2011)... DRAMA of playing a long Losing summer (ASHES 13/14)... Drama of long playing schedule (Ashes to WI to T20WC). All this dramatic nonsense that even their supporters & possibly writers believe in. I don't understand how Indian players play so so many games & lose most of them (recently year or so) & then IPL etc & NO FATIGUE, NO DEPRESSION under loss & NO TIREDNESS... NOTHING! I'm a British-Pakistani, & we've seen Pakistan coming out of Humiliating losses & shameful situations & go on & win big stuff, T20 WC 2009 etc & under Misbah some great test achievements! So why once ENGLAND starts losing; they lose their mind & sense as well; WHY CAN'T EVER they come from a disastrous tour & go on & make next one better; WHY THEY NEED TO WAIT FOR THAT "SUMMER BREAK" to sort stuff out! & this "SORTING OUT" & "OVER-MANAGING" like players are ROBOTS is the biggest issue English cricket has!

    LET IT GO!

  • on March 31, 2014, 20:11 GMT

    ENG can keep their heads high! KP must be feeling sorry fir ECB!

  • ToadyB on March 31, 2014, 20:06 GMT

    Yes, it's a horrible result, but people shouldn't read too much into it. England played well and were unlucky against South Africa in dire conditions, they managed to post an impressive total to beat a very classy Sri Lankan side, and were pretty unlucky against New Zealand, too, posting a competitive total only to lose on Duckworth Lewis. And that despite some fairly ropey selection, notably Jade Dernbach. We should also remember that while the Dutch were thumped by Sri Lanka, they ran South Africa pretty close and would have won that game if they hadn't choked in the face of some pretty gritty bowling from Dale Steyn. They had a lot more to play for today, too, and after the horror season that England has had, it's not surprising that the mindset was a little off and that once the wheels started to come off, the players panicked. It's not ideal, of course, but it's not a disaster either - all that was lost was a little pride.

  • on March 31, 2014, 19:51 GMT

    swann and kp needed to b there

  • rizwan1981 on March 31, 2014, 19:49 GMT

    2 of the BIG 3 are out of the tournament !

  • on March 31, 2014, 19:48 GMT

    well no surprises. eng was destined to perform poor in this wc as well as wc before this. they have dropped their main performer of 2010 wc in later editions and rightly got the result. how can they undermine the performances and achievements of kp for the team.

  • on March 31, 2014, 19:40 GMT

    I don't understand the Selection of England team & I think Stuart Broad wasn't showing any intent, Captain has to lead from the front but he didn't bowl in powerplays or even in death, he was afraid, Bopara should have batted a bit higher, all in all it didn't felt as they came here to win, it felt like a formality.

  • on March 31, 2014, 19:38 GMT

    I Think that english generally are not intrestet in cricket anymore they are more intresstet in football everytime i meet englishman and talk to them about cricket its very rarely i find somebody intrestet in cricket mostly old englishman like cricket. if i am wrong then please give comment and ofcourse from englishman

  • 64blip on March 31, 2014, 19:29 GMT

    Anyone thinking Giles is out of the running for the England job is deeply mistaken. When Clarke and co signed up to the 'Cook is a good captain it was KP disrupting the dressing room' narrative they chose to turn away from an honest investigation. They have embraced delusion, which means they can still appoint Giles. What was very interesting was Broad's post-match comment that the batting performance was like those in the Ashes once the series was lost. But there was no KP this time, was there?

  • Blackholesun on March 31, 2014, 19:18 GMT

    Wonderful performance by Netherlands today. This will boost their confidence.

    English players mindset is messed up now, they are unable to think clearly as of now. Hope they recover from this defeat soon.

    Did anyone noticed or not - T20 Ashes was won by England ! Australia 86 all out, England 88 all out L ;-D

  • on March 31, 2014, 19:06 GMT

    big three,big 3 that name dosnt suit specially england and also australia ,,,, boosting about their revenues, crashing out of t20 before semifinals, india also boost alot but they have shown what it takes to win ,i m pakistan fan but i really do enjoy indian matches and i am glad that yuvraj is back in form ,that is kind of player u love to watch as he is a star,,so and so is peterson axing him b4 all important wc ,he is their ace player , peterson is important for england team like afridi is for pakistan , if peterson had been in english side result would have been different

  • on March 31, 2014, 18:57 GMT

    bangladesh looses against associates "some people start shouting take BD test status...give afg,ire,neth the test status".....england looses against associates " people still shouts take BD's test status...give afg,ire,neth the test status; i actually don't understand their logic .....there is a team called Zimbabwe who couldn't even qualify for the main event n nobody bats an eye....every time an associate wins it has become everyone's duty to criticise BD......i know 2014 has not been a good year for us YET but insha allah we will overcome this n regain our form.

  • samat1961 on March 31, 2014, 18:55 GMT

    No doubt it is the players out there whose responsibility it is to do their best but they are human and, without authority or inspiration coming from above, they probably have no idea now of what 'their best' is.I hope this is the last we hear of Ashley Giles' ludicrous aspiration to be the England coach and I certainly hope that that is the last time Stuart Broad captains an English team.

  • on March 31, 2014, 18:54 GMT

    Spirited from England's Happy Dressing Room!. Should have dropped that mediocre South African years ago!.

  • on March 31, 2014, 18:53 GMT

    Pakistan had alway won cups in the grounds of Aus & Eng in past. Srilankan team have also good records outside...... its the Indian team that needs to be aware of that threat as they are the one who makes the early exits whenever the game is played outside their home ground.

  • afghan_cric_lover on March 31, 2014, 18:49 GMT

    congrates to Netherlands from Afghanistan ,,very well played they were represtiong assosicates nations nd they have proved it that associates can beat full members as well i wish ICC also gives the Dutch ODI status its a great day not only for netherlands but for all associates nations

  • JamKam on March 31, 2014, 18:47 GMT

    Holland beat England without Van Persie.

  • Rally_Windies on March 31, 2014, 18:45 GMT

    AWE..

    POOR ENGLAND ...

    next time come back with KP ....

    and make a more competent and less egotistical person your captain ...

    To dismiss KP and then make Broad a captain, is just rank disgusting behavior from ECB ..

    IF Broad could be a captain , even KP is a better choice of Captain than Broad ...

  • blunderbus on March 31, 2014, 18:40 GMT

    Hup Nederland! They and Ireland are especially worthy of better recognition/treatment by the ICC. Giles & Giles need to go first if England are serious about rebuilding. Then they need to get some tough men into the team - not many of the current squad fit that bill. That goes for all formats.

  • indicricket on March 31, 2014, 18:33 GMT

    If they have to have Dernbach in the team, time to poach for more...

  • indicricket on March 31, 2014, 18:31 GMT

    Maybe exhausted all the poaching possibilities from WI, SA, Ireland..(maybe I am forgetting some more team) now time to poach from the Netherlands.

  • on March 31, 2014, 18:29 GMT

    Teams like Nederlands Nepal Ireland and Afghanistan have shown that in a T20 game the distinction between major teams and affiliates is rather thin. And it is yet another reiteration that T20 is not cricket!

  • Greatest_Game on March 31, 2014, 18:19 GMT

    @ CodandChips writes "Fair enough. Netherlands could have beaten New Zealand, should have beaten South Africa."

    But, they did not. Should have, could have, would have, might have … but they did not.

    They did beat England, again.

  • GDiaz on March 31, 2014, 18:14 GMT

    If England are to have any chance at any of the major international tournaments they have to find away to bring back KP. Whoever (Selectors, coaches, management, captains, players) it is that can't get along with him needs to be told to deal with him or step down- He is the only star on the England team. Someone needs to tell management, selectors and the players that you cater to your stars. You can't win with guys that won't make any of the other good teams in international cricket in ant format (Current squad). England needs to go back to the drawing board and rethink its selection picking KP first and surrounding him with ten players that compliment his game and personality! It sucks but that is the reality of where English cricket is.

  • thozar on March 31, 2014, 18:08 GMT

    @Waheed Shirzay, why only Bangladesh? It is unfair to call England a test side when they lost so badly to an associate side like Netherlands. It all bodes well for India's tour to England this summer. Hopefully the weather will stay good and not save England in a test or two. But looking at their batting, India would need only 3 days to win test matches:-)

    Can hardly wait. Looking at this so-called performance, even Sri Lanka will be talking up their chances in England, hahaha.

  • indicricket on March 31, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    I am sure if it was not for poor umpirirng in the game against NZ, England would have been the Champions. Why are there emoticons here?

  • Lewstherin_Telamon on March 31, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    Damian, apparently it is inappropriate to mention a team that isn't part of the focus of the particular article so I apologise for mentioning Australia. I'll wait for the Bangladesh game.

  • Albert_cambell on March 31, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    Congrats netherlands. I wish NEtherlands got the 4th place in their group. That could have put England in the qualifying round for the next T20 world cup.

  • cruisecontrol on March 31, 2014, 17:56 GMT

    I'm a recent convert to T20 cricket and still a great fan of test cricket. I'm Indian but I still love Ashes and its rich history. Yeah, I'm an old kinda dog, although I'd be republican if I were English. But their cricket, hmmmm, I don't like the way they're going about it and it is disappointing. I have a lot more to say but space doesn't permit. Time too, of course. Coming back to today's bumble on the field, for a little context, may I point you to the lyrics of TIME, that very English band?

  • krik8crazy on March 31, 2014, 17:55 GMT

    I am happy to see this result not because England lost, but because this win shows that the shortest format of the game is a great equalizer and anyone can beat anyone on a given day. This should give other underdog teams the self belief and confidence to pull off similar upsets.

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:55 GMT

    really what were the english selectors thinking when they decided to drop KP. this team is pathetic without their only match-winner KP

  • Hate.ME on March 31, 2014, 17:53 GMT

    Humiliation ?

    I don't think so. Both Neth and Eng are evenly matched teams when it comes to playing on sub-continent. Eng depends on their fast bowlers to deliver on fast and bouncy tracks full of swing, you won't get it here my boY. Eng pacers look clueless and get hammered in sub-continent. And their batsmen have no idea what playing spin bowling is all about.

    And Neth have got some good top order batsmen and some good slow bowlers/ seamers to exploit the conditions well.

    And T-20 is one format where a better team when in trouble has almost NO TIME to come back.

    SO, Bye Bye Eng ! Hope, you enjoyed your stay here.

  • loris on March 31, 2014, 17:51 GMT

    Nethelands, just great, they are playing good cricket, they are better than Bangladesh

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    England should stop playing cricket as they lost to netherlands twice...their test status should be cancelled

  • pindolia on March 31, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    No excuse about the wickets can justify England loss .This win is not only great for Netherlands but all the non test playing nations and if ONLY icc can give these nations more support and quality fixtures things will be very different.As a supporter of Kenya cricket i urge Cricket Kenya to get the game back to its highs as was before.

  • Captainman on March 31, 2014, 17:47 GMT

    hahaha...Netherlands beat so called 'top' team England AGAIN!!! well done Netherlands. Miles better than the Bangladesh team who simply has been an embarrassment to Cricket. Associates need more Cricket. There's a big market to exploit for the associates and Cricket truly will become a world leading sport.

  • Ramansilva on March 31, 2014, 17:44 GMT

    Perhaps ICC should swap places of Netherlands and Bangladesh. Let Netherlands play more regularly with the big boys and relegate Bangladesh to the associate circuit.

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:44 GMT

    Ouch! Congratulations to the Netherlands not just on this but the whole tournament.

    i see this debacle has brought out the KP fan club en masse. Forget it guys he's history.

    In the long term tho English cricket is on the ropes as it shrivels apace at grass roots. It wont be long before the side is comprised entirely of overseas players and public school boys.

  • alipk52 on March 31, 2014, 17:37 GMT

    Don't worry England, you'll get the lost form in home series against India, and all of a sudden England will look like the world's best team!

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:36 GMT

    Have no bad thoughts for Bangladesh. But, Netherlands is million times better than Bangladesh. ICC should really consider the DUTCH for the full test status really. They performed not only in this world cup but earlier too. "The fighter still remains" and Dutch really got it. Sad winter for the English. They lost everything on their way to the T20 WC. A good captain, new strategies, will put everything in the right track to them as well. Good luck England too.

  • Vinod_Fab on March 31, 2014, 17:36 GMT

    @JG2704 on (March 31, 2014, 16:05 GMT).. Still many more top order failures to come..!!.. Imagine KP,Morgan,Jos and Bopara with Hales and Lumb opening,there you would have all bases covered..!!.. This is very awful from ENG, not only in cricket field but offline they are even worse..!!. It seems they have lost interest in playing cricket..!!. They should have taken this game seriously as NED already defeated them but instead ENG have been thrashed with immense disdain..!!. Now for losing like this,who gonna they make as scapegoat..??. This is nail in head for ENG..

  • Ain_EL_Sabet on March 31, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    wow very well-done dutch , hope after this tournament cricket will get some popularity in Holland. ICC take notice of Nederland and do something about it. Best wishes to Holland from a Bangladeshi fan.

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    Congratulations Netherlands, being a Zim fun myself your victory is ours too bcoz you were representing our qualifier group

  • Ain_EL_Sabet on March 31, 2014, 17:30 GMT

    @ Waheed Shirzay , how did your afghan team do in this tournament ? They got thrashed by Bd and lost to Nepal . Atleast Bd made it to super 10. Your afghan team is the only team whose players have no sportsmanship , their behavior in the game against Bd proved they dont have class in their game and they dont have class in their character either. Bd beaten all the established 8 test playing countries at their early stage of cricket, also knocked out india twice from major tournaments - something your afghan team only can dream at their early stage of cricket. Bd batting is too inconsistent and out of form now but they can be dangerous against any team , only pace balling is very bad which makes Bd a cakewalk for top teams but there are promising ballers like tashkin ahmed , taijul islam etc in the pipeline , once Bd get these ballers ready you afghans fans will be nowhere to be found.

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:30 GMT

    England were lucky to be in their group as if they were in the group with Pak, Ind, WI, Ban they would even lose to Bangladesh. But i must say that the Netherlands have played probably the best cricket in this tournament barring that SL match!

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:28 GMT

    The answer now must be clear. Bring back KP as head coach!

  • stormy16 on March 31, 2014, 17:27 GMT

    I thought the Dutch were lucky to get here after that amazing performance in the round robins but once they got here they have been nothing short of sensational. Sure they bombed out to SL but that can happen to anyone but they pushed both SA and NZ and beat Eng. With a bit of luck they could have easily been in the reckoning for a semi final spot. Also they have put up good show with both bat and ball. Myburg has been a revelation and sme of the bowlers have done really well. As for Eng, another sorry loss and more issues to ponder ahead of the summer after the winter disaster in Aus.

  • sandy2369 on March 31, 2014, 17:27 GMT

    Congrats Netherlands...Dear ECB this is what happened when you build a team by dropping a certain match winner like KP...

  • IndianCoolGuy on March 31, 2014, 17:25 GMT

    What a performance by Dutch team. Hats off. They have played unbelievable cricket. I must say that if they had a bit of luck, or bit more experienced side, they would have sealed berth for semis. Except their match against SL, remaining matches they were almost there to win. Specially against SA, it was only Stain's experience saved them other wise its all Dutch. I must say that Bangladesh have to learn from Dutch. Today I was watching the match, and I was shocked to see Dutch teams batting and bowling and fielding skills. At batting, they were never showing fear, They have all variations in their bowling. like slower ones, faster balls swing balls, and at fielding, they are throwing themselves. Dutch, Irland, Nepal, Afganistan are very talented sides. BCCI should support them to lift their game.

  • Lakpj on March 31, 2014, 17:22 GMT

    England performance is as shambolic as their playing kit, they seriously need to dig deep and try to come up with something. they had a really forgettable 4 months.

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:22 GMT

    Over all Dutch performance was very promising in this champion ship.

  • Kohli_great on March 31, 2014, 17:20 GMT

    BIG 3... LOL...Funny to hear that Word again & again BIG3 ////

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:18 GMT

    @ Waheed Shirzay...and it's so fair to consider England as one of the big 3s...ha?why are you guys so concern about these Test status, ODI status and associate teams related stuffs? There are good times and bad times for all teams in every sports. Can't u just enjoy the game?

  • Kohli_great on March 31, 2014, 17:16 GMT

    Okayyy ... Fantastic performance by a BIG England...Another BIG one, Ausis waiting for their flight to Perth... Ausis & Eng can play Ashes throughout the year & have a Fun...

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:13 GMT

    wow nice team work England... Kevin pietersen would have reduced all the hard work done in ensuring a cohesively executed defeat! well done cook Strauss flower and co. you guys deserve most credit :)

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:11 GMT

    Excellent article and nice criticism..worth a read

  • Stark62 on March 31, 2014, 17:11 GMT

    Eng dropped catches again today but the way their batting rolled over today, was just inexplicable!!

    The Dutch thoroughly deserved their victory today because they came so close against both SA and NZ but just couldn't cross the line and today, they thumped the English.

  • on March 31, 2014, 17:03 GMT

    Correction!!! The total number of boundaries hit by England was 4, not 3.

  • on March 31, 2014, 16:58 GMT

    England on the come back trail I see, now they have got rid of KP.......

  • Jaffa79 on March 31, 2014, 16:49 GMT

    Abysmal England! Gutless batting, guileless bowling and the worst fielding from an England team I can remember. Lessons learnt: Giles is a dull yes man and lacks charisma, invention or inspiration. Buttler to stay as T20 player but his keeping is nowhere near Test level. Broad's captaincy is formulaic and Cook-esque in its lack of imagination and we need to develop spinners as soon as possible! Lots to consider! For me, get Tom Moody in and give some of the Lions who did well in Sr Lanka a run. Forget about KP and make Trott earn his way back in (full season of CC) and give Cook the SL series and if he doesn't improve then give him the boot.

  • DingDong420 on March 31, 2014, 16:45 GMT

    is anybody really surprised...........I mean really!

    GILES OUT OUT OUT

  • chak-day on March 31, 2014, 16:44 GMT

    Those who think KP is arrogant and not a team player; here is the TEAM EFFORT in the SPIRIT of CRICKET for you. 1. Which bit of broad is a team player - criticizing match officials and always having arguments ? 2. Can someone please tell me what was the great TEAM effort of openers in whole tournament. 3. Can we not have 11 players in the whole country who can actually play some thing called CRICKET.

  • Paul_Somerset on March 31, 2014, 16:44 GMT

    This is what happens when you select 11 non-disruptive yes-men, all singing from the same hopeless hymn sheet. There's no maverick to yell at the players and the coaches in this sort of situation. Nobody to tell everyone to pull themselves together and have some pride in the team. No Kevin Pietersen in other words.

  • on March 31, 2014, 16:43 GMT

    Waoo limit the sky. Amazing I have already strong point for netherlands . It would be a challenging team . Now big threes IND, ENG and AUS have to come out of negative minds

  • MCC_Tie on March 31, 2014, 16:40 GMT

    Can the ECB honestly face their own fans, the true stakeholders of the game, and baldly claim that KP would not have made a massive difference at this tournament? Removing him was merely a coup on behalf of Cook and Flower, a self inflicted wound at a time when England is badly damaged. Watch him during this year's IPL and CPL tournaments smashing some of the best bowlers to all parts.

  • CodandChips on March 31, 2014, 16:34 GMT

    @Rhonda S. Garcia I'm right here mate. West Indies are overrated. Everyone seems to be obsessed with them. They have some talented players, and have played very well this tournament to their credit, but I still don't think they are as good as they are made out to be. Not sure how that the links to this result. As far as "ragging the wrong team", well I, like pretty much everybody, gave England no chance this tournament. Despite that they beat Sri Lanka, hence exceeded expectations. I actually said that England were the worst of the 8 main teams before the tournament. Also I said that I think and hope England lose today as a reality check. So I'm not entirely sure what you're going on about to be honest mate.

  • the_blue_android on March 31, 2014, 16:33 GMT

    Loss to Netherlands? Nor problem, can still keep their heads high!

  • on March 31, 2014, 16:24 GMT

    Bangladesh must learn from Netherlands. What a win and so deservedly after losing two games with close margins. Bangladesh played three games and humiliated in all of them. It looks unfair to call Netherlands associate and Bangladesh as test nation.

  • KrikIndFan on March 31, 2014, 16:23 GMT

    Why is everyone trying to bring down Eng & Aus so quickly? Agreed, this WC was one of their poorest performance, and they should have done a bit better, but they don't have many great records in subcontinent pitches in the past either. India & SL were always going to be stronger, this wasn't a first time. Considering the next 50 over WC is in Aus & NZ, beware of Aus and the havoc they can create in their own pitches.

  • CodandChips on March 31, 2014, 16:23 GMT

    Fair enough. Netherlands could have beaten New Zealand, should have beaten South Africa.

    Hopefully now this will be used as a reality- right JG2704? Our T20 side is awful. Batting had been good up to now tbf in this tournament, but it could certainly be better. Obviously people will call for KP. But aside from him, this team could still be better.

    Bresnan and all the bowlers had a better game bar Parry and Ali. Bopara bowled more overs as well. I still think Bresnan has been too poor to not be dropped. Dernbach as well has been atrocious. Jordan has been expensive at times, and good at other times, and is young and has potential so should be kept with. Dernbach and Bresnan have been poor for ages.

    Moeen hasn't had a great tournament. Batting has been poor. Has bowled well mind- but has been underused. Had Buttler made the stumping, his first 2 overs may have been 1 for 11. Oh well.

    Lumb should go imo. He perhaps deserves a go in ODIs, but his T20I record isn't great.

  • on March 31, 2014, 16:22 GMT

    This was bound to happen, after they were absolutely destroyed in Australia, the ECB, coaching staff,Management and many of the players conveniently lay the blame on one player, their highest run getter and most gutsy/talented batsmen. What kind of message were they sending to those who had underperformed?Well that culture of unprofessionalism comes back to bit you, and it has! I doubt KP in the batting line up would have resulted in this lack of faith and self belief.

  • on March 31, 2014, 16:20 GMT

    well done guys; this proved that Associate country can beat test playing country if they get opportunities to play.

  • BARFI on March 31, 2014, 16:20 GMT

    Well done Netherland to our class and out shine one of the BIG 3s or so called 3s

  • on March 31, 2014, 16:18 GMT

    There is all the signs tht England simply didnt bother their homework, while the dutch knowing that this was their last chance to make an impression this season did theirs and did their best.

  • SURYA.K.R on March 31, 2014, 16:18 GMT

    Absolutely sensationsal from the netherlands!!!. Gem of a captaincy from Borren. Time for ICC to give them enough exposure against test playing nations.

  • willsrustynuts on March 31, 2014, 16:15 GMT

    BTW anyone that thinks this result will force the ICC to take the Associate Nations more seriously and provide more funding and entry to more high profile games needs to look at the deal the BCCI/ECB et al just struck at the ICC meeting. Not going to happen I am afraid.

  • willsrustynuts on March 31, 2014, 16:11 GMT

    Congratulations to the Netherlands. A great performance.

    Normally Englands woes are a direct result of the poor management but today it was all about the players.

  • on March 31, 2014, 16:10 GMT

    Is Broad fit to be the captain, in terms of cricketing skills, tactical acumen, HR skills, or attitude. I said this before; and saying it again.

  • JG2704 on March 31, 2014, 16:05 GMT

    Congratulations Netherlands. Should probably have beaten SA and had their moments vs NZ too.

    Have to say I didn't see it coming as I thought our batsmen had done pretty well in this tournament but in this game it was the old pack of cards.

    I really can't find anything constructive to say. Batting was more of the problem today and I was starting to think we were becoming more consistent in that dept. It seems we have no positives whatsoever right now. At least Sky are showing the women's semi I suppose

  • Celebrating_life on March 31, 2014, 16:05 GMT

    Excellent show by the Netherlands. But dont forget that they are not the best of the associates. Ireland and Afghanistan are a way ahead of this dutch team. This shows how the quality of non test playing teams is improving. Currenlty, Irish team is champion in all three formats of cricket at associate level. Ireland is regularly performing well against test nations. We saw the quality of afghans in asia cup. Now, the Holland has surprised many. Its good for cricket. What these teams require is consistency and for this they need constant exposure to high level cricket.

  • on March 31, 2014, 15:52 GMT

    Lewstherin, bud bud competitions not over I'm sure the Aussie boys will give the Bangles a touch up come Thurs,therefore gaining some points.Why you people have brought Australia into the argument when the game was between Eng and the Dutch is beyond me??

  • Dragonboyz on March 31, 2014, 15:44 GMT

    I am not surprised with the result. Barring Hales and Morgan no one is fit to play in sub continental condition. If KP would have been in the team it would have been a different story. He accumulate runs in the middle with healthy run rate and either he or Morgan would have stayed till the end.You need to compare with Yuvraj situation where Dhoni identified the X factor that Yuvraj can bring once get going and he stuck with it. KP is one of the reason England won the T20 WC and you removed him to boost your dressing room morale.

  • sweetspot on March 31, 2014, 15:42 GMT

    England seem to have this uncanny ability to provide their best show of each tournament in the least significant part of the journey. Remember their 330+ tied chase against India in the WC2011? That show against SL this time was eerily reminiscent of that.

  • on March 31, 2014, 15:42 GMT

    "Dust to dust" was part of the religious training I got from my granny several decades ago. This is a modern version adapted from it, for this tournament by England & Australia. "Ashes to ashes"; yes, real ashes of humiliation for both parties who had been periodically fighting to grab that venerable little urn with dignity. Now both got a bucketful each! What a shame for the glorious history, which Ashes represents for both the parties. By, its new set of representatives. Thank God, that they did it in the hit & giggle, but very entertaining, version. May be, serious cricket is reserved exclusively for the Ashes. Hope so.

  • on March 31, 2014, 15:41 GMT

    That man should be having a good laugh somewhere out there ...Poms ..he is still your best bat by a distance..

  • on March 31, 2014, 15:40 GMT

    if u r serious about this tournament...bring ur bet players...whats the harm playing andersen...he could have been a big difference....also needed a good spinner...

  • siddhartha87 on March 31, 2014, 15:37 GMT

    well done Netherlands. As far as the commentator they got 12 clubs in their country and out of them 10 practices in mat. Huge achievement looking at the facility back at their country. Not only this match,they almost beat South Africa as well and did OK against black caps. ICC should start more high quality cricket for Netherlands and Ireland. Traditionally both great sporting country and they can easily succeed in cricket as well without a doubt

  • on March 31, 2014, 15:32 GMT

    KP was kicked out for team's coherence (explicitly stated); not for team's performance (not explicitly stated, but by implication). England achieved that quite convincingly. So, be happy. I had stated this twice earlier after England put up a miserable show, and this is the third time, I have the misfortune of stating it. What a fall for a country whose cricket attracted me to the game nearly 50-60 years ago.

  • ScottStevo on March 31, 2014, 15:30 GMT

    @wonderstar1, what are you rambling about, man? You seriously think that NL and Ire will be laughing at Aus & Eng because we will be playing the marquee event in cricket? Are they going to get enough money for turning up every few years for a tournament? Or do you actually think that T20 is going to take over and tests will no longer exist? Either way, stupid comment...

  • OttawaRocks on March 31, 2014, 15:29 GMT

    I'm a Canada fan first and India fan second, but beyond all that, I have to say seeing the Associates do well is close to my heart and this win by the Dutch just makes my day. Way to go Netherlands! I hope the ICC in all their good sense see it in their hearts to expand the WC the next time around to include 12 to 14 nations. It seems to me that in the T20 format the Associates have a much better chance of beating the Tier 1 nations and adding 4 nations wouldn't really dilute the product very much - the Netherlands, Ireland, and Afghanistan all look quite capable plus maybe add 1 more (one of UAE, Canada, Kenya, HK and Nepal). To me, it would be a great way of attracting fresh revenue from those countries. Why not go for it?

  • on March 31, 2014, 15:26 GMT

    Just see ICC, what to do by Netherlands, they are Associate and they won with full member, not only full members but the mother of Cricket.

  • Insightful2013 on March 31, 2014, 15:22 GMT

    How much longer must the ECB and the FA humiliate us like this? If this doesn't reflect just how appallingly bad the ECB capabilities are, I don't know what will. Is this what my taxes are wasted on? This is all a culmination of the attitude and atmosphere that pervades the entire set up. Have Lord Sugar and Peter Jones sort this mess out. You need professionals who can wield the axe, after a proper assessment. They won't play the silly games and be influenced by the codgers at Lords and Surrey. You need people who live in the real world and not the burbs of Berkshire and Surrey.Sugar and Jones would be well up for the challenge and would apply business acumen to ensure proficiency! You need objective,independent assessments by people outside of cricket who won't be influenced by the heavy history that permeates and stifles others. I think Bopara should be leading based on his recent modification of his game. Nasser Hussein probably as well as manager.

  • on March 31, 2014, 15:21 GMT

    The performance of England reminds us of 2012 50 overs world cup. They chased 300 plus runs India scored and the match was tied and got beaten by Ireland.Here they beat Sri lanka fantastically oneday and lost to a minnow Netherlands the other day.Bright hopes are ahead of Netherlands and Ireland. My congratulations to Netherlands team.

  • on March 31, 2014, 15:21 GMT

    It's not all bad - at least Giles won't get the head coach job now !! If this is the result of nearly 18 months careful preparation surely even the idiots at the ECB will see he's woefully out of his depth.

    But then again we are talking about the ECB........

  • jonnyboy82 on March 31, 2014, 15:10 GMT

    That was one of the most inept batting displays in the history of T/20 competition. England just didn't want to be there and with a bit of hope next time they play some of that lot won't be. Need to find some players who will at least wear the shirt with pride.

  • SevereCritic on March 31, 2014, 15:08 GMT

    Broad literally declaring at the end that he doesn't want to captain the T20 side pretty much sums up the morale of the English team at the moment. Broad is a champion player - and Giles and the rest of English management is draining him dry to the point that I won't be surprised if he announces an early retirement like Swann. Stuart Broad is a great bowler (in some ways better than Jimmy Anderson); and he should be left to focus on his bowling instead of being forced to lead a team of misfits who, barring a few of them, (Morgan and Hales and maybe Buttler) won't make any international side except England.

  • brusselslion on March 31, 2014, 15:07 GMT

    Well played the Dutch. Their performances against SA, NZ and especially here against England should silence all those posters who stated that that they weren't worth their place at this event, etc. after the SL game.... however, I see that some posters are now going to the other extreme and calling for their admission to the Test playing ranks, which is completely ridiculous. Firstly, to state the bleedin' obvious, T20 & Tests are two different formats, and the Dutch are largely unproven at anything other than T20/ODI. Secondly, the infrastructure, customer demand and strength in depth just isn't present in the Netherlands. There are no more than 20 clubs; there is one non-matting pitch; there is no coverage in the media, and there is generally speaking no interest amongst the public. It's hardly a recipe for a successful Test side.

  • on March 31, 2014, 14:55 GMT

    This makes Cook and Flower answerable for what they did to KP.

  • on March 31, 2014, 14:54 GMT

    Where's @codandchips to tell us how overrated the West Indies are? Have a feeling you were ragging on the wrong team.

  • on March 31, 2014, 14:52 GMT

    Netherlands would have been much stronger if ten doeschate had played for them.

  • Lewstherin_Telamon on March 31, 2014, 14:50 GMT

    Hugely ironic. Australia and England both given hidings in the last two days and Australia not even scoring a single point in the entire competition! And they form 2 thirds of the so called big three cricketing countries. Maybe the rest of the world should all play our own World Cup events and let India thrash Australia and England repeatedly. Hahaha.

  • wonderstar1 on March 31, 2014, 14:49 GMT

    England lost. Aus lost. so what? who cares? they only care for Ashes and nothing else.so they are preparing to Ashes even in this tournament. world cup or world T20 is nothing important at all for them in front of the Ashes. They will keep on playing boring Ashes while other countries including Associates like NL and Ire will be laughing at them in the near future.. truly Aus and Eng are the laughing stocks.

  • on March 31, 2014, 14:45 GMT

    Never mind at least dressing room morale is sky high after dropping the beastly Pietersen...and that is the most important thing after all, the team ethos.

  • on March 31, 2014, 14:42 GMT

    poor performance by England. and well played netherlands

  • on March 31, 2014, 14:42 GMT

    Great victory for Netherlands. Congratulations to them.

    When they reached the second stage after beating Ireland, we were hoping for another upset, and they provided one.

  • RPHood on March 31, 2014, 14:37 GMT

    Congratulations to the Netherlands for showing up England and the fact that they have once again dropped to their all time low of 1999!So typical of England to get complacent against a spirited associate side that have beaten them before, when they should have got the target easily enough, judging from the much better performances against Sri Lanka and South Africa. It is time for England players to go back to basics and play more consistently, but for that the coach and staff also need to be held responsible. However, while it always seemed logical that England would not do well in this T20 world cup, at least they are joined in exiting the tournament by those arrogant Aussies!

  • I_Love_My_India on March 31, 2014, 14:30 GMT

    I could not believe. I looked at the scoreboard and could not believe it again. Except the first game, all the games NL played were really close. I thought they almost won against SA & NZ. Congrats and all the best for NL's future. My suggestion is, BD should look at NL and start learning.....

  • on March 31, 2014, 14:27 GMT

    England must bring back KP

  • Roger.A. on March 31, 2014, 14:24 GMT

    Kevin Pietersen should sign up to play for Netherlands now. If he had done earlier, he would have got his revenge today and NL may have made it to the semis, if not at least won the SA game!

  • Damo_s on March 31, 2014, 14:19 GMT

    LOL. I called this before the start of the group stages i.e. that England would probably win 1 group game but then be embarassed by the Dutch. England actually did ok with the ball this time, but this batting performance was beyond woeful. We have to give credit to the Dutch for believing and being discplined with their bowling, but really England should have done better than that. The only reason we arent sitting firmly at the bottom of the table, and receiving the cricket equivalent of the wooden spoon, is because the dutch were utterly spanked by SL. A total rethink is in order.

  • on March 31, 2014, 14:09 GMT

    It is a travesty that an Associate team which can compete this well against Full Members in the shorter forms of the game, has just lost their ODI status. Hopefully the ICC will be shamed into finding a way to restore it. Being an associate cricket team striving to improve and be recognised, must be like being on a snakes and ladders board which has a thousand dsquares and where all the ladders are tiny and all the smakes are huge.

  • GoCho on March 31, 2014, 14:08 GMT

    @Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist, I nearly fell off my chair laughing! It is one thing to accuse England and Aus of doctoring pitches but this coming from an Indian fan makes it the mother of all ironies. Aussies have lost a single test in Sri Lanka in their history, have come off a win in South Africa where every other team gets hammered, almost pulled off an ODI series win in India and lost 2 t20 games in the last over in a pool that was the toughest on these sluggish wickets. England atleast have had a horrendous few months so I can understand you getting carried away. But for an Indian fan, the whitewashes in South Africa, new zealand, australia and england should serve a stark reminder of who plays on doctored pitches. Also lest we forget after a handful of wins so far, the knockout games are yet to happen. It is not as if we are unbeatable in tehse conditions. We were knocked out nice and early in the Asia Cup too!

  • Roger.A. on March 31, 2014, 14:04 GMT

    @jackiethepen: They can hit in these conditions but don't know how to build. Look at Australia yesterday. Some of their players have topped the IPL leading run scorer's and wicket taker'ss lists in the IPL, which are played on highly spinner friendly pitches like Chennai and Jaipur. But their role in the IPL teams have been as a hitter. Perfect examples are Maxwell (MI), Warner (DD), Finch (PWI) etc. The problem when they play for the national team is that they the same roles, and hence all 7 batsmen they have are a hit or miss player. No innings builders like ABD or Kohli. Now these two players don't go for 6 each ball. They rely on placement, rotation of strike and punishing bad balls. Aus, Eng din't have any of these qualities.

  • Rabies on March 31, 2014, 14:02 GMT

    A bit of a shock- but no surprise- (if that makes sense)- Ashley Giles is a decent bloke and was a decent player- but I am afraid that this is an indication of the lack of steel required from the management- and if, as evidenced, he cannot get the best out of a talented squad, then he is clearly not the man for the job.

  • venbas on March 31, 2014, 14:01 GMT

    So whom are the ECB going to sack? The perennial punching bag Pieterson is already consigned to the dustbins of history and England still managed to lose handsomely without the so called disruptive influence of Pieterson. Instead of glossing over this defeat as a performance as a team in transition, the ECB should understand the obvious that there is no team in the first place...all that is there is a bunch of ragtag cricketers typically found in 3rd rung associate countries that put together a team in major competitions for the sake of making up the numbers and getting a slice of ICC pie.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:59 GMT

    If you play the main stage of the next world T20 England and Australia will play the main stage! Immunization days and not more than the landlords. Down with imperialism.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:58 GMT

    ECB has to answer lots of question?? Why you dropped Kevin Peterson, do you have his replacement , where is Ian Bell??? England had been struggling on Asian pitches though they won their last Test series in India, but badly lost One day Series. Broad should be immediately removed from T20 Captaincy its not his cup of tea, even struggling with his bowling, Captain are made who are performing not declining performance.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:57 GMT

    If you play the main stage of the next world T20 England and Australia will play the main stage! Immunization days and not more than the landlords. Down with imperialism.

  • ruester on March 31, 2014, 13:53 GMT

    Oh my goodness, Giles Clarke, Ashley Giles, Andy Flower, Alistair Cook, James Whittaker and Paul Downton, lower your heads in shame. Your solution of discarding KP has really worked out hasn't it? Drop out top batsman, man of the tournament when we won it, most experienced player in sub continent conditions and highly sought after T20 player. We may not of won the WORLD CUP but I am pretty sure we would not of been thrashed by the Dutch! You are responsible for our National Team and you make us the laughing stock of world cricket. I'm disgusted at you.

  • LoveCric1975 on March 31, 2014, 13:51 GMT

    Giles Clark dear sir, you should look at yourself in the mirror and laugh at the clueless face that stares back at you. You should feel the guilt. I hope you realise now that sacking the best modern day batsman that the world has seen for 40/50 years for trivial dressing room reasons was the biggest mistake of your career. KP could do things with his bat that I never even saw Sir Viv do. You, Mr G Clarke and the clowns around you, not only ripped the spine out of the English lineup but also robbed the entire cricketing world off the most gifted, entertaining, charismatic, dynamic and fearless batsman that many of us fans had ever seen across all cricketing nations. You, Mr Clarke, sided with two average ronnies in swann and Anderson who never got on with him and who are hiding somewhere now

  • SuperSharky on March 31, 2014, 13:47 GMT

    Brilliant cricket by the dutch. When Netherlands came close to winning against South Africa, but didn't step over the line, I knew they soon will. And it happened against England. Thanks for the entertainment and new world records smashed against Ireland. The excitement moves on and I hope associates do compete more against full members in the future.

  • JimP2 on March 31, 2014, 13:46 GMT

    Interesting that eight people born in England plus two people born in the Netherlands play against one another, along with twelve other people, and it is called England vs Netherlands.

  • Divinetouch on March 31, 2014, 13:42 GMT

    For the next T20 world cup, please let us have a group comprising Australia, England, Argentina and and an African team other than Zimbabwe, Kenya & Tanzania. This will allow Australia & England to compete.

  • UpForSix on March 31, 2014, 13:38 GMT

    Don't forget this is a strange Netherlands team, more like a collection of Australians, South Africans, New Zealanders etc - just two Dutch born cricketers on this team. Is this the nature of the home game in the Netherlands? I doubt it.

  • Manxmuppet on March 31, 2014, 13:36 GMT

    Yet again we make Australia look good. I was going to gloat when they were bowled out for 85 against India but thought I might wait until after this match, just to be on the safe side. As an English cricket fan it pays not to get too smug!

    If Ashley Giles gets the job I am going to apply for Prime Minister.

    Well played Netherlands, and thank you for exposing the true extent of the problem. The ECB needs a change from Giles Clarke down. And, for goodness sake, please can we field our best team, regardless of how stroppy they are in the changing room.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:36 GMT

    ECB might have realized that the time to build the team is not right before any global tournaments like this but rather way earlier. They still may not accept this outside but inside they know what a single man's presence could have done to this team, and the man is none other than KP!

  • jackiethepen on March 31, 2014, 13:36 GMT

    The glaring problem was that no batsman knew how to bat in the conditions. Batsmanship was the issue. Having big hitters in your side that can take advantage of friendly conditions is one thing, batting smart when conditions are harder is another. Every international team bar Australia have one world class batsman at least in their t20 side because not every game favours sloggers. Someone has to take control of the game, bat through, take responsibility when a low target beckons on a wicket where big hitting can get you out. England don't have ANYONE who can do that. Moeen Ali didn't deliver. Batting at 3 is a key position. That's where decisions are made. Bell was called up because Giles sensed there was a deficiency. Giles crucially failed to give Bell a turn in the warm up games. He gambled on Ali improving with confidence. This misjudgement was costly. It came back to bite England. Bell's experience and ability would have read the wicket better. It's not about confidence. Skill.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:35 GMT

    When you see a performance like this it makes you think What IS REALLY GOING ON?? It is quite clear that the present players dont want Ashley Giles to get the Manager's job.!!

  • tickcric on March 31, 2014, 13:33 GMT

    Congrats Netherlands. It was surprising to see Nick Knight spending more time chatting with the endland captain and less with the Netherlands captain.

  • batman_gothamcity on March 31, 2014, 13:30 GMT

    Alas England !!! one what have you done gone down to the Dutch second time in world cups ... this is cricket not soccer that too by 45 runs ..oh man . Congrats to the Dutch for showing the hunger , they were unlucky not to beat the South Africans . The ICC should include these teams also in the main draw of any tournament it would be wonderful for the sport , rather than the same 10 teams .

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:29 GMT

    Great result for the Netherlands! Now let's have a T20 status separate from ODI status and give that to at least Ireland, Afghanistan, and the Netherlands so that they can play the big boys more often.

  • asiacricket1234 on March 31, 2014, 13:26 GMT

    There is no doubt that Bangladesh is the worst performer in this T20 WC so far but England and Australia is fighting for the worst place too. At least Bangladesh lost against the top teams but what England did today was astonishing.

  • Oracle_Magus on March 31, 2014, 13:26 GMT

    With the exception of their match against the Lankans, Netherlands had always given their opponents a tough time be it NZ or SA. But today they have taken it to the next level by comprehensively beating England. They are a team to watch out for. This win will do a lot of good for their confidence. English team is going through a tough phase. They have the talent, but it will take time for them to regroup after the recent events. Well done team Netherlands. Cheers!

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:23 GMT

    I totally agree with Mohammad. KP would have played out of his skin to ensure England' victory. The selectors tried to replace KP with Moin and a couple of others and failed . They should eat humble pie and bring back KP immediately.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on March 31, 2014, 13:21 GMT

    I think the problem with England is their substandard County Cricket and their doctored pitches. May be the Englishmen out here can throw more light on what's exactly wrong with their system. This is embarrassing. Only one of the Big3 made it to the semis. Something is seriously wrong with English Cricket. Australia isn't too far behind in playing substandard cricket. At least the Brits don't run their mouths like the Aussies do. The Aussies will never learn to play spin. Will they? I think the problem is the doctored pitches they play on in their countries. So, whenever they travel overseas, they get hammered. Yes, they will have a win here and there but that'll be few and far in between. Until they improve the standard of the pitches, there's no hope for England and Australia to compete on a world stage. How will they develop spinners or the batsmen capable of hammering spinners if what all they get to practice on are doctored and customised grass-bowls round the year?

  • SidsIPLTeam on March 31, 2014, 13:18 GMT

    Can they now please bring back KP.. Has England's performance really benefited by dropping him and making the environment so called less "charged"?? These players are representing their country and they should be willing to do anything under the sun to win. And the England Management should stop this ego saga and find out a way to bring him back in the team and more importantly winning matches for them. No one likes to lose, but to lose even to Associate Nations is a new low, and certainly there should be some implications, they just can't forget and afford to move on thinking we're better off without KP.

  • mayankr053 on March 31, 2014, 13:18 GMT

    Everyone questions asian teams ability to handle pace and bounce but no one questions (english,australian or south african)teams about their ability to play on turning tracks, it also requires plenty of skills to play a turning ball.. asian teams don't play well on pacy tracks because they are not used to it and non asian teams don't play well on turning tracks because those conditions are alien to them..so please before questioning asian teams ability look at yourself..anyone can play well on home tracks.but it's about how you adopt to the different conditions....

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:18 GMT

    Its 3 time in a row for Netherland against England in World Cups, if one counts 2011 50-over WC

  • Front-Foot_lunge on March 31, 2014, 13:17 GMT

    As an England fan, I thought we had reached rock bottom in Australia. Royally whipped, players were pulling stumps mid-way through the series. On to the limited overs, we were seriously out-classed. Now, following on from the Pietersen sacking,we have now reached the ultimate humiliation, defeat to the Netherlands, an associate nation.... I used to think 'winter is coming'. Now: Winter is here, and its going to be long, cold and dark.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:15 GMT

    Except Sri Lanka, Netherlands played very well with other countries. Congratulations Netherlands...

  • Ramansilva on March 31, 2014, 13:15 GMT

    Dutch win is not certainly a fluke. They did very well against Southies and Kiwies. If the lower order had bit more experience and patience, they could have won the match with the Southies. It was a close encounter with Kiwies too. Dutch play more exciting cricket than Bangas. They are also a genuine side with Dutch players unlike UAE and HK teams.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:15 GMT

    It is very tough for a test team to play a dead rubber especially against the minnows. There is no motivation left and they have everything to lose. For the minnows though, all they need is a win. No excuse this but understandable. One way to counter lack of focus is to play all the bench-warmers. But hHlland have done well. They could have won against SA - so it is not a result because England were not present mentally.

  • Roger.A. on March 31, 2014, 13:13 GMT

    The definition of 'associate' has to be redefined according to the format. Netherlands and Ireland are definitely not associates when it comes to T20s. Ireland are good enough to be included in the top tier even in the ODIs. But I certainly don't think they can be given test status and let to play against top 8. They may most certainly be trashed 0-4 by England in tests. So need to think about it. Eng and Aus need a different approach to T20s. Aus are picking players who would be great for IPL teams, because they come and go bang bang. Certainly all players in a team can't play that way.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:12 GMT

    LOL.. Poms. Why don't you go back playing the real format of cricket. This makes me laugh. Nice title for the article though. Netherlands humiliate England. From the behind. I understand that atleast 95% of this England side plays a decent first class cricket. They can't do it when it says T20.

  • BowledYa on March 31, 2014, 13:11 GMT

    So let me get this straight. The Big 3 have taken charge of the ICC to straighten out the state of cricket in the rest of the countries? Seems like they need to fix their own houses before they take "charge" of others affairs. England thrashed by Netherlands, Australia yet to win a match, and both out of the tournament. Thanks but no thanks.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:10 GMT

    The way Dutch got into the main group was amazing and it was expected that they would do an upset. Now they have quite an impressive record against the England in T20s.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:10 GMT

    What a dramatic upset handed over by the Dutch to the Formidable English team in a clash which was not of any competitive importance for both the teams as there was no stake left for neither of them and it was more for the prestige aspect of it !.

    The same outfit called by many as minnows, who had a humiliating loss to Lanka, by their gorgeous win today proved that today belonged to them !

    Kevin Pieterson's head was rolled [by tragically singling him out, despite being the highest run scorer !]for the Ashes doldrums by citing some vague reasons ie to have a congenial dressing room climate and to have a cohesive new look outfit etc.

    Let us see who are all are going to be made scapegoats for this T20 disaster [may be Stuart Broad, Ashley Giles & even Dernbach, for being too expensive in the previous game in the list] again to build a new look T20 outfit !

  • Admiral55 on March 31, 2014, 13:09 GMT

    Well, Paul Downton, Giles Clarke and the rest of the ECB, what are you going to do now? No sane person or organisation would employ Ashley Giles as coach after this World Cup debacle...but then, no sane person or organisation would make a scapegoat out of KP after the Ashes debacle when there is no-one better available.

    Time to start again England. Sack the current management and get in a coach who can get England playing exciting, positive cricket...and who can pick the team he wants, not one imposed by an out-of-touch cricket board.

  • delboy on March 31, 2014, 13:05 GMT

    Lack of passion and execution not sure whether the Preparation contributed to this POOR performance. It is likely England thought..we beat the Sri Lankans who bowled the Dutch out for 39. Cricket is not like that. In this tournament the Dutch had one bad day..England in contrast had one Good day. Respect is due to the Dutch; they wanted it more and deserved their victory. All England's cricket superiority is not a factor on the field of play. Just 11 v 12.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    BIG THREE:

    Most important is game not the money

  • geoffboyc on March 31, 2014, 13:03 GMT

    What a shambles Ashley! Broad hasn't done himself too mush credit either in these games. The Dutch played a good game today, but there's no way England should lose to these players, most of whom wouldn't get a contract with a Championship county. It doesn't look as if England have reached the bottom yet.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:03 GMT

    Dutch beat English by a Huge margin of 45 runs. My comment: Good to see that associates country's like Netherlander coming and creating pressure on team like England , England need to prove that they are capable to play in highest level .

  • Juiceoftheapple on March 31, 2014, 13:02 GMT

    If you drop Ali and Parry from this team, and insert Pete Trego at 3 and Samit Patel at 4, and move all the batsman down. You instantly have 4 overs of spin or seam, plus a meaty as hell top order who can clear the ropes and attack. Plus a massive tail if things go wrong. But will England look at the domestic stats or will they revert to their crystal ball 'he is International quality, he is the future' nonsense. No they wont. Because Samit Patel has a ponch and Pete Trego has a west country accent and biffs the ball. Rubbish. Rubbish England management and I'm glad Giles has failed after seducing Buttler to leave Somerset to go to Lancashire.

  • safwan_tauseef on March 31, 2014, 13:01 GMT

    Well done Neatherland. I am prety happy with you. You show a real power of big three. A pakistani sporter i am and with you in your victory.

  • on March 31, 2014, 13:01 GMT

    Even though this is the lowest total of a test playing nation against an associate nation,but they still can say that at least the atmosphere in the dressing room is great thanks to the absence of one prolific batsman who could have won you the games...but really who cares certainly not the guys at ECB does.They still would be patting themselves in the back that the team sent in by them didn't loss all matches and the chemistry and atmosphere of dressing room is great...Its a win-win situation for them,who needs a world cup anyway?

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:57 GMT

    Netherland is way ahead of bangladesh. It was a great wt20 for netherland. They choked in the run chase against SA. Gave a good fight vs new and now beats england ,wheras bangladesh cant even win in their home conditions and they are letting down their supporters everytime. Teams like netherlands should play against top teams quite often to improve their standard in cricket. Atleast they should play against bangladesh a 3t20I and 3 odis's which will show that they are better than the overrated bangladesh. Test status for netherland and ireland needs to be considered.

  • MickeyP on March 31, 2014, 12:53 GMT

    England, Australia, Giles Clarke and Wally Edwards, have a look at that semi final line up. Then console yourself with a look at your financial predictions. And then have a think what sport and cricket should be about, what you should be protecting.

  • SixSmasher on March 31, 2014, 12:52 GMT

    England are incapable of firing as a bowling and batting unit in the same game. Throughout the tournament they've bowled dross. When they finally restrict the opponent to a below par score they completely implode with the bat. England are a side full of mentally weak and soft individuals. They can't face hearing it how it is and that's why they froze Pietersen out. Disgraceful display from England. Fair play to the Netherlands. It's a shame Ten Doeschate doesn't still play for them or they may have made it to the semis. England have got what they deserve here.

  • Juiceoftheapple on March 31, 2014, 12:51 GMT

    Rubbish. England management have a lot of questions to answer here. And I'll start them off. 1. Where is Samit Patel. 2. Where is Peter Trego. 3. Why is Moeen Ali playing if he's not good enough to bowl four overs. 4. Why does Dernbach play every important game. 5. Why do we need four seamers. 6. Why does our tail start at 7. 7. Why didn't Giles learn anything from tours to WI & Aus. 8. Why are we not picking slower hard to get away medium pacers ala Collingwood/Yardy/Bopara. 8. Why are we picking bowling all rounders not batting all rounders who can go big. 9. Why dont you step out of your bubble.

  • kc69 on March 31, 2014, 12:51 GMT

    Imagine if they would had beaten SA that day today they would have been looking at a biggest achievement for any associate team in T20 cricket.Seriously considering how the dutch played now I feel Group1 as more interesting than Group2(where Aus and Bangladesh havent won any till now).And one more thing, there weren't any upsets.

  • Narkovian on March 31, 2014, 12:51 GMT

    T20 is hardly the be all and end all of cricket in England, thank goodness. But, it may be the indicator that leads to one or two players making a name for themselves for the future at top level. So. 2 things.. we didn't see any in this team.. that's for sure. Neither did we see a new coach/manager.. Please... It just cannot happen.!!

  • ahmedfaysal on March 31, 2014, 12:49 GMT

    Èngland-you deserve just that. You aren't improving enough. Even zimbabwe is a better side than you. You should not allow to play test match. It wasn't an upset. We all predict netherlands gonna win. Shame on you england. Look at your records in this winter. Just good enough as a test side.

  • Fawadkhansuleman on March 31, 2014, 12:49 GMT

    Big 3's must concentrate on their game intead of taking monitory controls of Cricketing World.

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:48 GMT

    What happen to Ryan Ten Doeschate. Why is he not in the WT20? I thought he was the best player of the Netherlands team.

  • rayinto on March 31, 2014, 12:47 GMT

    Amazing performance by the Dutch. They showed grit agains the big teams - first against South Africa - now this!

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:47 GMT

    I think broad is never gonna be the good captain .he looks like too arrogant and it pays him back.and the end of the day Netherlands played very well like inzi used to say

  • RednWhiteArmy on March 31, 2014, 12:46 GMT

    Netherlands wanted it more im afraid. To England, this game was an dead rubber at the end of 5 months on the road, with nothing to gain from winning as everyone would say "you only beat netherlands". For the netherlands this was like being in the FA Cup semi-final for Ipswish Town FC. In other words their BIG game.

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:45 GMT

    They Played wonderfully and knock out the England with huge margin. Well done Netherlands. Netherlands Matched had been very close to opponent they were loosing the control the nerve in the final overs.. Now they have controlled the nerve from very first over and influenced to win with huge Margin. Again Many congratulations to Dutch Team. It reminded me How the Ireland win over the England in WC 2011 in Group matches.

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:45 GMT

    Wow. what a tournament ND had. Record chase to qualify. then getting out for lowest ever total.

    Almost won a game against SA. scored decent against NZ and a win over england. that is a remarkable journey. They lost One day status but this tournament shows they can do it. Much better than BD.

    They should have won game against SA. It was in their hands but just couldnt hold their nerves and lost it. But over all that was close game and their inexperince cost them. Had they won it then it would have been 1st time 2 games won by associate over big teams in 1 event.

    Anyway a really good performance.

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:44 GMT

    It is great blow to ICC and specially for Three leading country from associates. Yes.. Netherlands, we have prove that associates are not weak, they have not got such opportunity to prove themselves.. Hats Off.

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:43 GMT

    Did I hear someone say KP? Reality is, ECB fell prey to egos of people other than KP all the while blaming KP for having a big ego. He was the greatest, most gifted batsman to ever play in English colors. Someone who could take the best attacks to all corners of the park, something which separated him from other players who could consolidate but not dominate.

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:42 GMT

    now a days cricket is a worst game. bangla will lose to nepal,australia is not winning single game in this t20 world cup and englang will lose to netherland. by seeing this we can tell ipl and icc events are no different. n

  • ModernUmpiresPlz on March 31, 2014, 12:41 GMT

    I can understand not walking when you nick one against Australia in the Ashes but not walking when you get clean bowled against the Netherlands in a T20?

    The English once again showing their penchant for exploration, discovering all new lows never before imagined.

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:41 GMT

    Well, the team loose today.. dont they want the control of whole cricket? lol

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    See the Heaven's Decision for at least two of self acclaimed BIG 3 i.e England and Australia. I am sure these 2 teams cannot do any funds generation for cricket and are exposed and disgraced by minnows like Netherlands. Possibly Aussies will be also crushed by Bangal tigers. Who in this world will like to watch them......... The big three in real sense can be no one in world cricket but Pakistan, India and SL.

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    Well done Netherlands. You deserved this with your efforts throughout the T20 World Cup. Bigger things to look forward to now. England were poor!

  • Fast_Track_Bully on March 31, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    What a match! Congrats to ND. What a humiliation for England. 2 in 2! @ electric_loco_WAP4. It is hard to found excuses to defend your teams, isn't it?

  • ramz30380 on March 31, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    Amazing scenes at the stadium - OMG England were clearly "Dutchered" today! Congrats Netherlands on ur win!

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:35 GMT

    what a win by netherland. they played better then bangladish. for the netherlands congratulations. i feel sorry for england team.

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:35 GMT

    To be honest, its not a upset, Its all amazing bowling, fielding and batting like any other test playing teams. They totally outplayed England in every bit of the game. They now should have given chances to play against full members after this win. Respect!

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:35 GMT

    wow! what great come back by Dutchman. congratulations.

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:29 GMT

    Good idea to offer Otis Gibson for job. Would be beneficial to both teams.

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:26 GMT

    i am very happy to see netherlands perform.. wow.. this is the state of affairs of the so called big daddy BiG3..

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:26 GMT

    time to upset

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:25 GMT

    Finally they find how to win against Big team

  • ramz30380 on March 31, 2014, 12:24 GMT

    England have packed their bags already and doing all tht they can to get back to the airport at the earliest! Unbelievable batting by the English!

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:23 GMT

    Took too long to drop Dernbach

  • on March 31, 2014, 12:10 GMT

    I was slightly disappointed Ireland were knocked out compounded by that horrific game Netherlands had against SL. But Netherlands have not disgraced themselves, they came close to winning against SA and now have knocked the sails out of England. Hopefully this reverberates across Netherlands and attracts greater interest in cricket. All the best Netherlands!

  • anton1234 on March 31, 2014, 12:06 GMT

    I think Tom Moody would be the best man for the job. I don't think Giles is made for coaching internationally just yet, maybe in the future after a longer stint at domestic level. I am sure he has too matey with the England players, having played with quite a few for a long time.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on March 31, 2014, 12:00 GMT

    Oh it's the dew making it hard for English spinners to grip the ball is it - as to why England never had the sense to try more than one spinner before now? Funny how that never seems to be a problem for other countries (barring Australia I suppose). Anyway, I thought that was a decent performance from the bowlers this game (the seamers, Bopara and Tredwell at least) - but the batsmen are making a real hash of the chase (5 down now as I write). It just seems to be one or the other (bowlers vs. batsmen) with England at the moment, and that's costing them games. Disappointing.

  • wanatawu on March 31, 2014, 12:00 GMT

    Come on Holland this is your change.

  • jb633 on March 31, 2014, 11:53 GMT

    I actually want Holland to beat us here so there are no positives for the management to try and squirm out of taking the blame for this abysmal winter. Get beaten here and sack the whole coaching staff, come May I hope we will have a new set up altogether with a coach who has proven himself all across the globe (hopefully Tom Moody). The policy of looking after the 'old boys' is not working and we need fresh blood with a positive outlook and a new direction. Our cricket at the moment is going nowhere.

  • jb633 on March 31, 2014, 11:46 GMT

    Whether we win or lose this game, I feel this will be the last game Giles has in charge of an England side. I am afraid to say he has brought nothing new to the table (or so it seems from the outside) and the results we have had under him are unacceptable.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on March 31, 2014, 10:35 GMT

    Drop Dernbach,really?Their best bowler aft. Broad.On these slow,low pitches-ball does not come on.Where even mediocre trundler like Bhuv K's been hard to get away,also picked W-bats trying to hit out.JD's magical variations would've been too much for Ned.

  • Yevghenny on March 31, 2014, 10:29 GMT

    Dernbach is a skillful bowler, but can't seem to handle the pressure of international batsmen coming at him. It's a shame as I think he's very talented

  • wanatawu on March 31, 2014, 10:24 GMT

    Parry going at 11.5 an over not much better than Dernbach

  • ste13 on March 31, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    Dernbach should never been selected. His bowling average is one of the highest in T20 international, but he is one of the most expensive bowlers in all formats.

  • wanatawu on March 31, 2014, 9:44 GMT

    Dernbach their best bowler they dropped, can't believe this.

  • on March 31, 2014, 9:39 GMT

    i really don't understand why Dernbach was in team at first place....

  • doctorofdeath on March 31, 2014, 9:38 GMT

    Dernbach was the reason England lost the other day! If you bowl juicy half volleys and full tosses at the death to AB, what else would you expect?

  • anton1234 on March 31, 2014, 9:37 GMT

    I honestly think it was daft to move the T20 World Cup to every four years. It should be played every two. I think associate countries should abandon longer form and the 50 over game and solely play T20s. This way cricket can be spread globally much faster. T20 World Cup every two years with 20 countries participating in the main event. 20-20 with 20 countries. It's much easier for associate countries to be more competitive the shorter the game. It can take decades making a nation competitive in test cricket, and in any case it's very difficult to sell even the 50 over game to new countries but much easier with T20.

  • anton1234 on March 31, 2014, 9:37 GMT

    I honestly think it was daft to move the T20 World Cup to every four years. It should be played every two. I think associate countries should abandon longer form and the 50 over game and solely play T20s. This way cricket can be spread globally much faster. T20 World Cup every two years with 20 countries participating in the main event. 20-20 with 20 countries. It's much easier for associate countries to be more competitive the shorter the game. It can take decades making a nation competitive in test cricket, and in any case it's very difficult to sell even the 50 over game to new countries but much easier with T20.

  • doctorofdeath on March 31, 2014, 9:38 GMT

    Dernbach was the reason England lost the other day! If you bowl juicy half volleys and full tosses at the death to AB, what else would you expect?

  • on March 31, 2014, 9:39 GMT

    i really don't understand why Dernbach was in team at first place....

  • wanatawu on March 31, 2014, 9:44 GMT

    Dernbach their best bowler they dropped, can't believe this.

  • ste13 on March 31, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    Dernbach should never been selected. His bowling average is one of the highest in T20 international, but he is one of the most expensive bowlers in all formats.

  • wanatawu on March 31, 2014, 10:24 GMT

    Parry going at 11.5 an over not much better than Dernbach

  • Yevghenny on March 31, 2014, 10:29 GMT

    Dernbach is a skillful bowler, but can't seem to handle the pressure of international batsmen coming at him. It's a shame as I think he's very talented

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on March 31, 2014, 10:35 GMT

    Drop Dernbach,really?Their best bowler aft. Broad.On these slow,low pitches-ball does not come on.Where even mediocre trundler like Bhuv K's been hard to get away,also picked W-bats trying to hit out.JD's magical variations would've been too much for Ned.

  • jb633 on March 31, 2014, 11:46 GMT

    Whether we win or lose this game, I feel this will be the last game Giles has in charge of an England side. I am afraid to say he has brought nothing new to the table (or so it seems from the outside) and the results we have had under him are unacceptable.

  • jb633 on March 31, 2014, 11:53 GMT

    I actually want Holland to beat us here so there are no positives for the management to try and squirm out of taking the blame for this abysmal winter. Get beaten here and sack the whole coaching staff, come May I hope we will have a new set up altogether with a coach who has proven himself all across the globe (hopefully Tom Moody). The policy of looking after the 'old boys' is not working and we need fresh blood with a positive outlook and a new direction. Our cricket at the moment is going nowhere.