Champions League Twenty20 2012 July 4, 2012

T&T disappointed with no direct entry to CLT20

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West Indies Twenty20 champions Trinidad and Tobago will have to play qualifying matches for the second-year running to make it to the main draw of the Champions League, a situation that T&T chief operations manager Dudnath Ramkessoon termed 'unfortunate'.

Ramkessoon's comments came after a fourth IPL team was granted direct entry into the tournament, while the Twenty20 champions from the West Indies, Pakistan, New Zealand and Sri Lanka, and two teams from England, will have to compete in a pre-tournament qualifier for two remaining spots. Apart from the Indian teams, two teams each from Australia and South Africa gain direct entry.

"We have not received any word yet from the committee, but with regard to what has been reported, it is rather unfortunate that we have to participate in a play-off, seeing how well we have performed in our last two appearances," Ramkessoon was quoted as saying on the West Indies Players' Association website.

T&T were the runners up in the inaugural edition of the tournament in 2009 and qualified for the main draw after topping their group last year.

"Being the champions of the West Indies and given how well we have played, you would have thought we would have gone to the main draw because of the quality of our play and the fact that people like to see us play."

However, Ramkessoon added that T&T would ensure it played its strongest team, to top the qualifying and leave nothing to chance.

"We are aiming to top that group to ensure that we qualify. We will prepare with that in mind," he said.

Three of T&T's top players - Dwayne Bravo, Kieron Pollard and Sunil Narine - are contracted to play for IPL teams. But discussions have been initiated with a view to having these players representing T&T in the tournament.

The CLT20 will be played between October 9 and 28 this year. Cape Town, Johannesburg, Centurion and Durban have been named as venues for the tournament, though the dates and venues for the qualifiers, as well as the schedule, are yet to be released.

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  • riverlime on July 6, 2012, 7:25 GMT

    A full strength TT team would be unstoppable. Try playing Narine with Ramdin (his longtime keeper from TT regional games) behind the stumps. Try bowling to Bravo with KP on the other end. No IPL team would be able to match them, primarily because the best IPL teams relied heavily on TT players to get where they are. KP, Bravo, Narine , Cooper all have been outstanding for their respective teams. Without them their IPL teams look a little shaky.

  • on July 6, 2012, 0:40 GMT

    oh boy India..you making a different impression to the world of cricket now

  • on July 5, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    I cannot believe that 4 ipl teams are in... who in world decides this draw? i can understand if the top spot in all regions automatically qualify and then second places in each tournament in a pre-qualifier. This is just total disrespect and i will not be supporting this tournament as a major tournament again. in no sport is this farce supported or even done in the international arena.

  • on July 5, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    lol may be in coming years we have all 10 IPL teams in CLT20 :D

  • Varun_R123 on July 5, 2012, 12:02 GMT

    Absolute nonsense to allow four IPL teams to participate in CLT20. This is becoming another mini version of IPL. These guys don't know the meaning of Champions League. How can the fourth placed team play in Champions League. Make this tournament more centrally administered and not in the hands of BCCI.

  • Kricket_Fan on July 5, 2012, 11:54 GMT

    Don't Be Disappointed T&T the only reason teams outside of Australia, India and South Africa gets invited is because the ICC has given a window for this so call Champions League, organized by these 3 boards and they don't want it to seems selfish having only they teams participating… This rubbish of who invest the most money as an excuse 4 # of IPL teams… BCCI should asked themselves who make IPL team strong B4 ridiculing other champions by putting them through qualifier

  • delboy on July 5, 2012, 11:45 GMT

    Will Cooper be available for T&T?

  • vak1997 on July 5, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    what the hell is this??! the champions are required to play another tournament to qualify!! very ridiculous! when the 4th IPL team is through(which isn't required) why not the champs. the 3rd and the 4th IPL teams DON'T deserve a place in CLT20. only the champions and the runners up from India, Australia, South Africa; champs from WI, ENG, Bangladesh, PAK should participate. 10 teams of 2 groups. that makes CLT20 some sense...

  • on July 5, 2012, 10:05 GMT

    Champions league would champions league only if it would have champions from each major cricketing countries, though runner ups should get a chance to fight for the remaining two spots!

  • ramkip on July 5, 2012, 9:37 GMT

    CLT is a consortium formed by BCCI, SA and Australia. They have the direct entry there. Others should go thru qualifiers Since BCCI has "invested" more money, they have 3 teams with direct entry and then 4th team added to generate more viewership. PCB, SL and BCB should join this consortium. However, I strongly feel that CLT should be managed by ICC

  • riverlime on July 6, 2012, 7:25 GMT

    A full strength TT team would be unstoppable. Try playing Narine with Ramdin (his longtime keeper from TT regional games) behind the stumps. Try bowling to Bravo with KP on the other end. No IPL team would be able to match them, primarily because the best IPL teams relied heavily on TT players to get where they are. KP, Bravo, Narine , Cooper all have been outstanding for their respective teams. Without them their IPL teams look a little shaky.

  • on July 6, 2012, 0:40 GMT

    oh boy India..you making a different impression to the world of cricket now

  • on July 5, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    I cannot believe that 4 ipl teams are in... who in world decides this draw? i can understand if the top spot in all regions automatically qualify and then second places in each tournament in a pre-qualifier. This is just total disrespect and i will not be supporting this tournament as a major tournament again. in no sport is this farce supported or even done in the international arena.

  • on July 5, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    lol may be in coming years we have all 10 IPL teams in CLT20 :D

  • Varun_R123 on July 5, 2012, 12:02 GMT

    Absolute nonsense to allow four IPL teams to participate in CLT20. This is becoming another mini version of IPL. These guys don't know the meaning of Champions League. How can the fourth placed team play in Champions League. Make this tournament more centrally administered and not in the hands of BCCI.

  • Kricket_Fan on July 5, 2012, 11:54 GMT

    Don't Be Disappointed T&T the only reason teams outside of Australia, India and South Africa gets invited is because the ICC has given a window for this so call Champions League, organized by these 3 boards and they don't want it to seems selfish having only they teams participating… This rubbish of who invest the most money as an excuse 4 # of IPL teams… BCCI should asked themselves who make IPL team strong B4 ridiculing other champions by putting them through qualifier

  • delboy on July 5, 2012, 11:45 GMT

    Will Cooper be available for T&T?

  • vak1997 on July 5, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    what the hell is this??! the champions are required to play another tournament to qualify!! very ridiculous! when the 4th IPL team is through(which isn't required) why not the champs. the 3rd and the 4th IPL teams DON'T deserve a place in CLT20. only the champions and the runners up from India, Australia, South Africa; champs from WI, ENG, Bangladesh, PAK should participate. 10 teams of 2 groups. that makes CLT20 some sense...

  • on July 5, 2012, 10:05 GMT

    Champions league would champions league only if it would have champions from each major cricketing countries, though runner ups should get a chance to fight for the remaining two spots!

  • ramkip on July 5, 2012, 9:37 GMT

    CLT is a consortium formed by BCCI, SA and Australia. They have the direct entry there. Others should go thru qualifiers Since BCCI has "invested" more money, they have 3 teams with direct entry and then 4th team added to generate more viewership. PCB, SL and BCB should join this consortium. However, I strongly feel that CLT should be managed by ICC

  • satish619chandar on July 5, 2012, 8:28 GMT

    @tfjones1978 : I agree.. But there wouldn't been a CLT20 without BCCI too.. I guess they need to frame a new name.. it is no more a CLT20.. I guess the best thing would be is for the other nations to drop off from the tournament.. BCCI is doing this because it is their money but is there any compulsion for other nations to join the league? I think NO! Apart from money, no need for others to participate in CLT20..

  • satish619chandar on July 5, 2012, 8:25 GMT

    4 IPL teams in isn't that good for the tournament in long term perspective.. but why the WI and England guys who got their entry free last time are now pushed to the qualifiers? 6 main teams with finalists from Ind, SA and Aus get free entry and the rest of 8 teams fight for remaining 4 slots in the qualifiers would have been perfect for fans as well as participating nations.. But for that to happen, the other teams need to bear some stake in the CLT20 board.. Expecting freebie from other boards for the tournament which they organize from their pocket wouldn't sound that easy..

  • pulkit10 on July 5, 2012, 6:35 GMT

    It seems like people actually care about the Champions League. I am quite astonished, to say the least. I have always thought of it as the IPL extra that no one really cares about. In theory, it is certainly great to have the best T20 teams from all over the world compete in a tournament but unfortunately, it doesn't pan out that way. Too many player contract issues, T20 league fatigue in general (seriously, too many leagues...) and just the lack of interest due to timing. IPL is more or less a set thing where most countries treat it as THE tournament (fair or not, your call) while this is more of a sequel to the IPL that no one really cares about.

  • Asif_Iqbal on July 5, 2012, 6:12 GMT

    I think Pak,NZ,WI,SL and ENG make thier own champions league

  • on July 5, 2012, 5:59 GMT

    this is not ''champions league''...it;s IPL 6 ... For me if tis a champions league..there shud be o0nly champions....1 each from.. IND, SA,AUS,ENG,SL,NZ,WI,ZIM,BAN,PAK... that's it.. 10 teams..2 groups...and only chmpions.. ;) This is real clt20...otheerwise next yr they'l put IPL 5TH team as well..that's so creepy

  • on July 5, 2012, 5:29 GMT

    Money , money ..blah,blah,blah... money , blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,money ...blah,blah,money .

  • on July 5, 2012, 5:03 GMT

    Full strength T&T tem is far better than IPL team , Alas KP,Bravo,Narine wont be playing for them in this CLT20.. CLT20 is really becoming IPL2

  • Sakthiivel on July 5, 2012, 4:50 GMT

    Its not about BCCI, Its about money and without IPL teams no money comes.Cricket is a game with very few viewers that too mostly in Asia. Being fair TT and Silkot need a direct entry.

  • on July 5, 2012, 4:45 GMT

    It's not a champions league unless 8 countries champions should get the direct entry and remaining 2 spots for the runners up playing the qualifiers.

  • wiseshah on July 5, 2012, 1:05 GMT

    in my champions league should be top ten league from 10 country, thats it

  • Robster1 on July 5, 2012, 0:21 GMT

    The CL is a farce - an Indian IPL plaything. They'll be no credence to it until its more representative.

  • on July 4, 2012, 23:35 GMT

    Lol, hilarious that 4 IPL teams get direct entry!! Completely devalues the tournament.

    1 team from ind, SA, aus, eng, Pak, wi, Sri, nz should get direct entry. Then all runner ups and bang and zim play a qualifying tournament for 2 spots.

  • on July 4, 2012, 23:25 GMT

    CL is a nonsense, the IPL has access to all the best players and there are inevitable conflicts of interest. It's ruining the English county scene with games starting in March - MARCH, for God's sake! - so the season can finish early so that two teams, who have probably spent big money on an overseas player for 3 weeks' play, thereby mortgaging their future and youth development, can go to a QUALIFYING competition and get knocked out before the tawdry slogfest starts.

  • 512fm on July 4, 2012, 23:21 GMT

    Just deal with it. Its an Indian tournament so the other teams are just lucky they are even allowed entry, I'm sure if would be more profitable to run a second IPL.

  • on July 4, 2012, 21:47 GMT

    BCCI is a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

  • avmd on July 4, 2012, 20:43 GMT

    Why BCCI can't do anything sensible ? No limit to its greed. Agree, they have the money power, but respect the game and competetions for God sake. Respect the playesr and teams from othere countries. Why ICC is unable to do anything about this non-sense, I don't get it. Ridculous !!

  • lvsidhu86 on July 4, 2012, 20:39 GMT

    CL with 4 teams from ipl out of 10 is not good idea and if they involve more teams from other countries then they can make more money by selling tier sponserships in other countries like now very less people will watch it in bangladesh but if they include one team from bangladesh then 50% cricket fans from bangladesh will watch it and they will can get money by selling broadcasting rights in bangladesh and also then that tv will pay higher price..... so wat i think there should be 16 teams 3 from ipl, 2 each from australia and southafrica and 1 from each england, srilanka newzealand, bagladesh, pakistan, west indies and then 1 team from each group from qualifying stage in which next beast team mean 4th ipl tem with 3rd placed team from australia and south africe with runnerups from all other countries by playing in 3 teams in 3 groups then CL will make more money from sponsership and aslo by selling broadcasting rights in more countires + more money from other sponsers........

  • riverlime on July 4, 2012, 20:23 GMT

    For the record, this year the T&T players are going to play for their home team. Have you never wondered what allowed Narine etc to play for the IPL and then come straight back into the WI team? Answer.... a pre-IPL agreement. They will all play for T&T and rock the IP(C)L. The BCCI has forced the best team to play an extra four games, hoping that some players will get injured before the real competition starts, but even that won't be enough to prevent a good kicking to the 3rd and 4th placed Indian "Qualifiers". WI champs 2012 with this team--- Simmons, Barath, Bravo, Bravo, Ramdin, Pollard , Cooper , Narine, Rampaul, Mohammed, Badree.

  • Dilbar786 on July 4, 2012, 19:23 GMT

    Champions League is a joke

  • KingKashi on July 4, 2012, 18:50 GMT

    I agree with a lot of readers saying CLT20 is occupied by India with coalition of Aus and SA. India is owner by 50% and Australia/South Africa 25% each. If they justice, they are pretty much in danger so of course they won't justice. Justice is that only 1 team each " country's domestic champion" including Bangladesh and Zimbabwe should play and their should not be any country with 2 or more teams, because Champion League mean's only Domestic Champions will play and will try be World Champion. ............ But no complain, this is not ICC's tournament, This is tournament from three country boards on their own, they invite or reject to invite other teams as they are owner. Their policy is to hold money, they try with 10 teams, only two teams from other countries will have chance to compete with them as 4 teams will already be out of tournament before they play with those 10 teams. If other teams reject to play in CLT20, CLT20 will be totally flop. But no board has power against BCCI.

  • BRUTALANALYST on July 4, 2012, 18:30 GMT

    All the stars must represent their home nations club ! The IPL sides already ahve huge pool of players and stars to choose form - this also creates better entertainment and interest fromt he world as it creates in a sense a Club World Cup

  • BRUTALANALYST on July 4, 2012, 18:29 GMT

    Three of T&T's top players - Dwayne Bravo, Kieron Pollard and Sunil Narine - are contracted to play for IPL teams. But discussions have been initiated with a view to having these players representing T&T in the tournament. - THIS HAS TO HAPPEN TO OTHERWISE IT IS WORTHLESS. IPl sides already have TOP STARS from all over the world T&Tare 2 small Islands. It is bad for young Indian Players T&T and the world if the IPl BCCI continue to implement nonsense regulations over the CLT20.

  • tfjones1978 on July 4, 2012, 18:08 GMT

    My recommendation is that the competition should be 12 teams: [7] One from each Region (with Asia & SEA getting two each), [1] Previous Champions, [4] Previous Semi-finalist's country. This would mean: [A] Previous Champion auto-qualifies. [B] A Country gets a spot for each semi-finalist they have (including previous champion!). [C] Each Region has multi-level qualifiers (ensuring all countries can send 1+ domestic teams) with each level's spot is based on the country of the team that was in that level with promotions and demotions for each level. [D] Qualification from each country to their countries allocated is as now (ie: domestic positions).

  • on July 4, 2012, 17:57 GMT

    Teams who were 3rd and 4th in IPL gets direct entry, and Champions from other countries have to qualify? What a joke! Cricket is better without the stupid INDIANS!!!

  • AKS286 on July 4, 2012, 17:54 GMT

    clt20 is the international event of ipl. 4 teams omg why not all 8 teams.

  • on July 4, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    thanks to BCCI, cricket is losing fans in thousands day by day.

  • on July 4, 2012, 17:35 GMT

    BCCI distroying intgreety of cricket ICC should band BCCI from all formats of cricket

  • umairasgharbutt on July 4, 2012, 17:11 GMT

    cl is only a joke no team should participate in it !

  • rgrokkam1 on July 4, 2012, 17:08 GMT

    This is not fair. T&T deserves a direct place in the champions league. Anyways I am sure T&T will qualify, but the rules of champion league are harsh. It is highly biased towards teams from SA, Aus and Ind. I understand money plays an important role in the number of teams that qualify, but at the end of any series, cricket should be the ultimate winner.

  • on July 4, 2012, 16:32 GMT

    Four IPL teams? What a joke.

  • tfjones1978 on July 4, 2012, 16:30 GMT

    Champions League was an excellent idea. Until BCCI got involved.

  • on July 4, 2012, 16:21 GMT

    10 teams in the final which India has 4 they are not even the T20 World Champs.T&T will still win though

  • on July 4, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    Oh, T&T, such innocence. But don't worry, soon the Australians and South Africans will have to qualify to play alongside 7 IPL teams. If they beat an 8th IPL team that automatically gets a bye to the qualifier final. I follow cricket not even a third as much as I did 2 years ago- this is the reason.

  • on July 4, 2012, 15:32 GMT

    actually its playing in qualifiers can do goods for teams, more match practice for players , remember last time somerset and T&T came through qualifiers and did so well in the later stage

  • on July 4, 2012, 15:22 GMT

    Much as I like the Champions League Twenty20, there's something VERY wrong with winning teams having to qualify, while a fourth-placed team is guaranteed entry.

  • on July 4, 2012, 15:16 GMT

    I agree. All Champions should qualify with spots for other who win the play-off pre-tournament event. Don't call it the Champions League. It's a League of teams that happens to contain some Champions.

  • Htc-Android on July 4, 2012, 15:13 GMT

    dont worry guys. u will still thrash this so called 'ipl teams', without your star players.

  • funkyandy on July 4, 2012, 15:10 GMT

    What a farce! On paper, Trinidad & Tobago are one of the strongest regional sides in the whole world - Barath, Simmons, DJ Bravo, DM Bravo, Pollard, Ramdin, Rampaul, Cooper, Narine, Bardee, Gabriel, S Ganga... not many better line ups than that - and they have to qualify???

  • phendel on July 4, 2012, 15:08 GMT

    CLT20 is a joke....6 teams from 5 countries hv to battle it out in qualifiers for 2 available spots.....while 8 teams from 3 countries get direct entry into the main tourney.....are AUS, RSA & IND the #1-3 T20 teams.....NO.....they just thought of the tournament first....the ICC shud get a tourney with the champions of every T20 league vying for the title of BEST IN THE WORLD.....& maybe hv a match vs. the current #1 T20I team for charity or someting.....just a thought

  • phendel on July 4, 2012, 14:50 GMT

    no way the T&T big 3 are going to play for Trinidad.....you would think that they would choose national pride but since CLT20 is an extension of the IPL (why else wud 4 IPL teams make it to the main draw), representing your IPL team may be a contractual clause or someting.....wht abt Darren Bravo & Kevon Cooper???....they had IPL contracts this year too

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  • phendel on July 4, 2012, 14:50 GMT

    no way the T&T big 3 are going to play for Trinidad.....you would think that they would choose national pride but since CLT20 is an extension of the IPL (why else wud 4 IPL teams make it to the main draw), representing your IPL team may be a contractual clause or someting.....wht abt Darren Bravo & Kevon Cooper???....they had IPL contracts this year too

  • phendel on July 4, 2012, 15:08 GMT

    CLT20 is a joke....6 teams from 5 countries hv to battle it out in qualifiers for 2 available spots.....while 8 teams from 3 countries get direct entry into the main tourney.....are AUS, RSA & IND the #1-3 T20 teams.....NO.....they just thought of the tournament first....the ICC shud get a tourney with the champions of every T20 league vying for the title of BEST IN THE WORLD.....& maybe hv a match vs. the current #1 T20I team for charity or someting.....just a thought

  • funkyandy on July 4, 2012, 15:10 GMT

    What a farce! On paper, Trinidad & Tobago are one of the strongest regional sides in the whole world - Barath, Simmons, DJ Bravo, DM Bravo, Pollard, Ramdin, Rampaul, Cooper, Narine, Bardee, Gabriel, S Ganga... not many better line ups than that - and they have to qualify???

  • Htc-Android on July 4, 2012, 15:13 GMT

    dont worry guys. u will still thrash this so called 'ipl teams', without your star players.

  • on July 4, 2012, 15:16 GMT

    I agree. All Champions should qualify with spots for other who win the play-off pre-tournament event. Don't call it the Champions League. It's a League of teams that happens to contain some Champions.

  • on July 4, 2012, 15:22 GMT

    Much as I like the Champions League Twenty20, there's something VERY wrong with winning teams having to qualify, while a fourth-placed team is guaranteed entry.

  • on July 4, 2012, 15:32 GMT

    actually its playing in qualifiers can do goods for teams, more match practice for players , remember last time somerset and T&T came through qualifiers and did so well in the later stage

  • on July 4, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    Oh, T&T, such innocence. But don't worry, soon the Australians and South Africans will have to qualify to play alongside 7 IPL teams. If they beat an 8th IPL team that automatically gets a bye to the qualifier final. I follow cricket not even a third as much as I did 2 years ago- this is the reason.

  • on July 4, 2012, 16:21 GMT

    10 teams in the final which India has 4 they are not even the T20 World Champs.T&T will still win though

  • tfjones1978 on July 4, 2012, 16:30 GMT

    Champions League was an excellent idea. Until BCCI got involved.