West Indies v England, 2nd ODI, Antigua

England look to up their end game

David Hopps

March 1, 2014

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Match Facts

March 2, Antigua
Start time 9.30am (13.30GMT)

Colin Croft thinks that West Indies could try to put England into even more of a spin

The Big Picture

Stuart Broad described England's performance as "brilliant" for all but the last 10 overs of each innings against West Indies in the opening ODI in Antigua as they conceded 269 for six and then collapsed to lose by 15 runs.

Those less persuaded by England's talk of a new era were less impressed. England did concede 116 in those last 10 overs (and even more strikingly 85 off the last five as Dwayne Bravo and Darren Sammy went ballistic), but total satisfaction arguably only applied to the first 16 overs with the ball when they took four West Indies wickets, and disappeared with the bat the minute Michael Lumb left the crease.

Broad's decision not to bowl Ben Stokes on such a turgid, unresponsive surface was a strong-minded call which based on Stokes' recent one-day displays possessed some logic, but his decision to risk Joe Root's offspin in the closing overs was asking too much and, as the West Indies set themselves up for the final onslaught from Bravo and Sammy, Ravi Bopara seemed worthy of a spell on such a surface.

West Indies, by contrast, will delight in how they twice turned the game in their favour with both bat and ball, recovering once more after Lumb's hundred had seemingly put England within range of victory. They were helped by England's confusion, by Broad's own admission, over what constitutes a wide in one-day cricket. It seems as if their research is not all it is cracked up to be.

Form guide


(completed matches, most recent first)
West Indies WWWLL
England LLWLL

Watch out for...

Sunil Narine was identified as a key figure before the opening ODI and nothing has changed. Only Lumb seemed to read him with any confidence. England's record against unorthodox spin (and often spin of any sort) in limited-overs cricket remains poor and, with World Twenty20 set for Bangladesh this month, they urgently need to wise up.

There was much to admire about Moeen Ali's England debut, but it did nothing to dispel his reputation as a maker of delicate 40s: that is exactly what he did, and he was faltering before he got out weakly. Whether he can develop the habit of playing long innings will ultimately decide his international future.

Team news

West Indies might be tempted to give left-arm spinner Nikita Miller a go after observing England's problems against Sunil Narine, although it is difficult to see how they could balance the side so an unchanged XI is more likely.

West Indies (possible) 1 Dwayne Smith, 2 Kieron Powell, 3 Kirk Edwards, 4 Darren Bravo, 5 Lendl Simmons, 6 Dwayne Bravo (capt), 7 Darren Sammy, 8 Denesh Ramdin (wk), 9 Sunil Narine, 10 Ravi Rampaul, 11 Jason Holder.

England will take no risks with either Eoin Morgan or Alex Hales ahead of World Twenty20. With no obvious alternative available for Luke Wright, perhaps Tim Bresnan is most under threat if England decide to make changes, with Jade Dernbach and Stephen Parry in the wings.

England (possible) 1 Moeen Ali, 2 Michael Lumb, 3 Luke Wright, 4 Ben Stokes, 5 Joe Root, 6 Ravi Bopara, 7 Jos Buttler (wk), 8 Tim Bresnan, 9 Stuart Broad (capt), 10 Chris Jordan, 11 James Tredwell


Darren Sammy used the long handle to good effect, West Indies v England, 1st ODI, North Sound, February 28, 2014
Darren Sammy was in destructive mood in the opening ODI in Antigua © Getty Images
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Pitch and conditions

The lack of pace in West Indies' pitches must be a factor in their general decline, but judging by the first ODI, nothing is about to change. The pitch will be re-used and is unlikely to be any livelier than first time around.

Stats and trivia

    Michael Lumb was the ninth batsman to make a century on his ODI debut, and the second England batsman, following Dennis Amiss against Australia at Old Trafford in 1972. Andy Flower, who stood down as England's team director soon after their Ashes whitewash, was, incidentally, one of the others.

  • Curtly Ambrose, one of three former West Indies players to be knighted during the first ODI, marked the honour by some celebratory tunes at a nearby casino in his role as bass guitarist in a reggae band.

Quotes

"Over 250 we back our bowlers."
Dwayne Bravo, West Indies captain

"If I'm brutally honest, we had quite a strong plan to bowl wide yorkers and get the guys hitting into the big wind, and we got done a little bit by not knowing the rules, I suppose."
Stuart Broad, England captain, bemoans confusion over the wides regulations in ODIs

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Posted by salazar555 on (March 2, 2014, 13:35 GMT)

How bad does Bopara have to be to get dropped? He's been terrible for a long time and seems to be the first name on the team sheet. He must have somethign on the selectors because I can't work it out.

Posted by lebigfella on (March 2, 2014, 13:10 GMT)

Apparently Stephen Parry is likely to make his debut! Little experience, unstartling average, 28 years old... who is this guy and why are we scraping the bottom of the barrel? Not disrespecting Parry but is this really the state of English cricket? I batted twice last season, scored a couple of forties and bowled a couple of overs... I must be in with a chance.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 2, 2014, 12:06 GMT)

@David Keay -) Re Bopara - rubbish.

A few games ago vs Aus admittedly the game was pretty much over but most of the time Bopara seems to stagnate England's RR at least as well with the bat as he does with the ball. He came in with just over 8 overs to ngo nwith the team needing around 8 an over which is not an impossible situation. Bres was swinging but was not even good enough to get out. A SR of 95 is very decent if you're coming in during the middle overs and ahead of the RR but there was no urgency whatsoever in his play. I was waiting for him to let fly at some point but he seemed to play at the same tempo in the 50th to what he did when he arrived at the crease. He certainly wasn't the only culprit but I'd rather have seen us lose by 30 runs and give it a go than limp unthreateningly towards the total.Had Ravi got out the result would almost certainly have been similar and the tide had turned before he arrived at the crease but Broad would at least have had a go

Posted by BailsRgo on (March 2, 2014, 11:59 GMT)

The point is that England are not starting a 'new era' as they call it. They are just carrying on as usual in the hope that nobody notices. Nothing has been sorted following the Ashes debacle. given that the seeds for the current malady were obvious over a year ago, nothing has been constructively done to create anything like a 'new era'. It seems that Root is now an immovable object in all England teams - whether on form or not - and everything else is being shoved in around him. What has Root done to deserve such luxury???? Is he now the MMC/ECB great white hope????? he's a baby in comparison to others. There's no structure, no direction and very little imagination in the England set-up. Players appear to have no role in the team so when it comes to upping the scoring or bowling at the death they haven't got a clue!!! This is not a new era it is is just more of the same with added spin.

Posted by salazar555 on (March 2, 2014, 11:13 GMT)

@David

Bopara plays for himself. He came into bat with 8 overs left. he finished 22 not out and didn't hit one boundary. How is that even possible? How does someone bat in the last 10 overs, finish not out and not hit a boundary?

He plays for himself, for his average, he is not concerned with whether the team wins. He needs to be dropped straight away, never to return.

Posted by CodandChips on (March 2, 2014, 11:03 GMT)

@David Keay how can you possibly make an excuse for Bopara. "Every time Bopara comes in the game is already over - then he gets the blame for losing it" seems to forget many instances where he's be in with England in a position to win matches, but he doesn't deliver. Bar the Dublin match this year of course, where he scored that hundred. But what about Sri Lanka in the world cup 2007, India at Lords in 2011, CT13 final, one of the ODIs vs Aus, and yesterday's match. When Bopara was in the game certainly was not "already over". Also he batted abysmally- he failed to score a boundary. He has a habit of occasionally playing the most terrible innings. Also his career average of 30 in 100 matches is very ordinary indeed.

Posted by CodandChips on (March 2, 2014, 10:32 GMT)

However ignoring the squad, I'd like something along the lines of: 1.Lumb (only because he scored the hundred and has the ability to score quickly. I hope playing ODIs does not make this disappear.) 2.Root 3.Taylor 4.Morgan 5.Ali 6.Buttler 7.Stokes 8.Broad 9.Tredwell 10.Jordan 11.Gurney/Parry

Posted by CodandChips on (March 2, 2014, 10:29 GMT)

@extratitch While I think Bopara is a useless batsman, I agree he certainly should have bowled. He can't have done worse than Bresnan, and he is probably a better bowler than Dernbach who is currently sitting on the sidelines.

@Jimmyrob83 I feel sorry for Dernbach as well. I bet he wishes he'd not keep getting picked.

@jb633 agree we need to blood youngsters. It's ridiculous seeing the continued failures Wright, Bopara, Bresnan & Dernbach playing. Calling up Bell is also a backward step.

Lumb at 34 has done well, and although he is not young, may be wirth a world cup spot. He has proved he is more than a slogger. He has also improved his game vs spin I think.

For the reasons I mentioned earlier, based on the squad: 1.Lumb 2.Ali 3.Root 4.Stokes 5.Buttler 6&7 Bopara & Wright 8.Broad 9.Jordan 10.Tredwell 11.Gurney/Parry based on conditions

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 10:29 GMT)

Every time Bopara comes in the game is already over - then he gets the blame for losing it. He batted better than all save Lumb in the last match, so either he plays at 3 or 4 or they should drop him. But hard to see how he's more worthy of the drop than Wright, nor how he is responsible for some of the often painfully slow scoring above him. Root has never looked like he can keep up the momentum required in a high chase, so perhaps not a one-dayer unless they open with him. And despite the fuss over him, hard to see why Stokes is batting so high. When he's not used as an allrounder he barely qualifies as a batsman alone.

Posted by jb633 on (March 2, 2014, 10:11 GMT)

@keetnan, India are a far better side than England atm so I can't agree with you there. @EnglandExpects + CodandChips, I agree with both of you. Giles was never an inspirational cricketer and he seems a drone as a coach. We need new blood in the mix, someone like Tom Moody or Kirsten. Guys who have flavoured cricket from all around the world in various formats and can add new dimensions and new ideas to the set up To those clamouring about KP it is worth noting how little he has done in the last few years in ODI cricket. In test/t20 cricket I would agree with you but excluding his first year in ODI cricket he was never the all encompassing force. It does look bleak for us just looking at all the fringe players and the simple lack of quality. Whichever side you put out we will still be poor. I think we need to blood youngsters in, expect a couple of awful years and hope in 3 years time we will have the nucleus of a good squad again.

Posted by extratitch on (March 2, 2014, 8:47 GMT)

As an Essex boy I'm definitely biased but definitely think that Ravi should have been given a chance to bowl in this game and couldn't really believe that he wasn't. Plus I think he should be back in the test side as designated ball shiner. We saw in PE how important it can be to get that ball reversing as quick as possible and Ravi's the master (just ask Bob Willis).

Posted by coolie on (March 2, 2014, 8:19 GMT)

Funny thing, I saw this English kid wearing a Sammy jersey at the Millinia Mall. More fiah Sammy, more fiah...

Posted by jmcilhinney on (March 2, 2014, 8:15 GMT)

The result of these two series don't really matter, particularly the ODIs, as long as they move a reasonable distance in the right direction after a very poor showing in Australia. There were a few signs in a few areas in the first game but there's a still a lot of work to do. Broad is probably right that England were very good for a lot of the game but we all know that games of cricket can be won and lost very quickly, particularly when wickets are falling. The bowling needs to be more consistent and the field settings need to help them. As for the batting, obviouslt one man can't do it all so everyone has to step up.

Posted by ketaann on (March 2, 2014, 7:50 GMT)

for everything to be right, england should wait till the home series against india. All players will back to their form,even trott if they give him chance.

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 7:33 GMT)

This match preview and reports should be moved down in priority list in the display of cricinfo home page. The two most eagerly followed and interesting ongoing games are Asia cup match, India vs Pakistan and Third test between Australia and South Africa.

Posted by Jimmyrob83 on (March 2, 2014, 7:07 GMT)

Jade Dernbach. I giggle every time I see his name. Almost feel sorry for the guy.

Posted by LeeHallam on (March 1, 2014, 21:17 GMT)

England seemed well in control in the field until the last ten overs. Critics have been demanding that England try different things, and Broad certainly did that, some worked, some didn't. Well done to Michael Lumb for seizing his chance, I have to say I had rather written him off. But it was very disappointing to see how England crumbled after he went. This is a tour for learning, and as such it will not be dull, there are places in the one day side up for grabs as much as the test side. One thing we will learn about is Broad's captaincy, he seams determined to make a case for himself as the one day captain if Cook sticks to tests, though he could have done with his rival Morgan in the side.

Posted by salazar555 on (March 1, 2014, 20:59 GMT)

I said this would be a wooden spoon event as two poor teams went at it and I wan't disappointed. The game went one way then the other while each team seemed incapable of taking the game by the scruff of the neck.

Poor batting and bowling in the final 10 cost England. this is a poor West Indies team being made to look ok by a very poor England team lacking in confidence,

Get rid of L Wright and R Bopara. I can't believe how many times these two have played for England and failed. Ravi has played 100 games and never has he got England over the line when it mattered.

Posted by JoshFromJamRock on (March 1, 2014, 20:51 GMT)

Darren B out and Miller in. @BRUTALANALYST would also put Ramdin at 4 to stabilize the top a bit more and rotate the strike better in the middle overs. He better at it than Edwards and more so Darren B whose out of form. With Smith attacking at the start and Ramdin holding anchor I'm sure Simmons, Dwayne B and Sammy will provide the finishing touches from overs 30 onwards.

1)Smith 2)Powell 3)Edwards 4)Ramdin 5)Simmons 6)Bravo 7)Sammy 8)Narine 9)Miller 10)Rampaul 11)Holder

If WI can be 100 for 3 after 30 overs then 250 will always be on...With the bowling do well I'm sure they can defend anything over 270 with relative ease against most opponents except Aussies and India. They just need to stick to their game plans, especially those regarding bowling changes.

Another close match expected...I'm leaning towards WI at this point.

Posted by CodandChips on (March 1, 2014, 20:05 GMT)

Moeen Ali bowled well and started batting well, but then started to struggle. He may also need to watch his strike rate, but a good debut nonetheless. Lumb played a mature innings (well he is 34). Hope he doesn't tone down his destructiveness too much. He has proved many wrong though (including me).

Root should bat in the top 3 because he is suited to bat through. Stokes at 4 purely on the basis that he has a test hundred. That leaves Buttler at 5, giving him more time than he has enjoyed so far in his underwhelming England career. Bopara and Wright to armwrestle for 6 & 7- wont make a difference for they are both useless. Then the bowlers.

Posted by RAYKAY on (March 1, 2014, 19:35 GMT)

Come on England prove the cricketing world wrong win without KP,I don't think that your shoulders are "BROAD" enough "BRAVO" West Indies.

Posted by CodandChips on (March 1, 2014, 19:33 GMT)

Giles out. Wright, Bopara, Bresnan & Dernbach out. Have been saying this for a while but many have ridiculed me for saying so.

Ben Stokes' ODI stats are still terrible so make or break time for him. He certainly wont be wishing David Willey a speedy recovery.

Send home the 4 players above and hand onto Stokes because he hasnt been playing for too long. Bring in Napier, Taylor & Ballance, unless KP is available. Forget about Bell.

But for now there's nobody left to change the batsmen. I'd bring in Gurney or Parry for Bresnan, depending on the conditions.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (March 1, 2014, 19:07 GMT)

Powell and Bravo are both infuriating to watch as both have so much potential but are yet to really drive this home especially Bravo. I have heard Powell say in interviews his job is to play the anchor roll I however think this is inhibiting him making him get bogged down, in the age of Power-play and 2 new balls I think both openers should go after the bowling ala Warner/Finch. Powell is at his best when he's aggressive and coming at the bowling using his feet his best knock was the last ODI v NZ when he came back after being dropped with a point to prove in that instance he really came at the bowlers form the word go and set up W.I recording breaking 363 with his 77 from 44. Your not goin to do that every game but it would be nice to see him given backing to play more freely. Bravo needs to work on playing spin around the wicket he is an lbw sitting duck, given his ability to drive he should have been instructed to bat on leg stump and stay on side of the ball and open up the covers

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (March 1, 2014, 19:05 GMT)

Dernbach and Parry waiting in the wings eh? Oh the joy/hope that brings! That will definitely win lots of games. Broad, having not known what a yorker is for circa three years, suddenly decides to use them now - but wide!

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (March 1, 2014, 18:56 GMT)

After viewing the way the track and England played spin I would be surprised if W.I don't play Nikkita Miller in place of Holder despite the win. Alternatively another big call could be for Ramdin who has been in great form with the bat lately to replace Darren at 4 allowing Miller into the 11. Given W.I ability to collapse Ramdin in top4 could add some experience it would be unlikely for Gibson however to go away from the norm and play an extra bowler so it will almost certainly be Holder who misses out if any change is made. It's a shame none of Powell Edwards or Bravo have ability to bowl some spin as Samules would offer and something some of them should look at developing.

Posted by android_user on (March 1, 2014, 18:55 GMT)

without KP England will never win a series...

Posted by ENGLANDEXPECTS on (March 1, 2014, 18:21 GMT)

Yet another disgrace. Giles should be removed now, how many more matches have we got to lose before something is done. Boring, negative cricket in all three formats getting the results it deserves.

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David Hopps David Hopps joined ESPNcricinfo as UK editor early in 2012. For the previous 20 years he was a senior cricket writer for the Guardian and covered England extensively during that time in all Test-playing nations. He also covered four Olympic Games and has written several cricket books, including collections of cricket quotations. He has been an avid amateur cricketer since he was 12, and so knows the pain of repeated failure only too well. The pile of untouched novels he plans to read, but rarely gets around to, is now almost touching the ceiling. He divides his time between the ESPNcricinfo office in Hammersmith and his beloved Yorkshire.
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