England v India, 2nd ODI, Rose Bowl September 6, 2011

Cook, Kieswetter take England to comprehensive win

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England 188 for 3 (Cook 80*, Kieswetter 46, Ashwin 2-42) beat India 187 for 8 (Rahane 54, Raina 40, Swann 3-33) by seven wickets
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

Craig Kieswetter tore into India's opening bowlers and Alastair Cook made a case for a Twenty20 berth with an effective 80 not out that brought England a cantering victory which hadn't seemed as likely when the visitors posted an imposing total. England exploited the lack of depth and predictability of India's four-man bowling attack, compounded by their specialist spinner having a relative off day while England's snared three key wickets.

It meant that another solid Ajinkya Rahane effort that displayed his enormous potential went in vain - the second time in three international innings that he has made a half-century and ended up on the losing side.

England's richer bowling stocks allowed them to go a batsman short into a game reduced to 23 overs per side after rain ruined the afternoon for the patient Southampton crowd. It turned out that the extra batsman wasn't required after Kieswetter's assault at the top left England needing 121 off 100 deliveries by the time he fell.

India's seamers rely on movement, there wasn't much available and the medium pace of Praveen Kumar and Vinay Kumar proved ideal for Kieswetter as he flayed them for boundaries through the off side. Contrary to his reputation, Cook wasn't far behind Kieswetter as he began with consecutive boundaries off Praveen.

As he often does in the IPL, MS Dhoni turned to the offspin of R Ashwin in the fifth over. However, this wasn't the heat of Chennai; it was the biting cold of a chilly Southampton evening and Ashwin was lifted over long-on for consecutive sixes by Kieswetter. He had galloped to 46 off 25 deliveries before being trapped leg-before by a Vinay inswinger but he had brought down the required rate by almost a run an over.

It was a situation that allowed Cook to settle in for the night as Dhoni was forced to use his part-timers to make up for the lack of a fifth bowler. Ian Bell, coming in at No. 3, made Cook's task easier with a delicious little innings that showcased his ability to ping the gaps on the off side without fuss. By the time Bell hit one to extra cover off Ashwin, the asking-rate had fallen below seven.

Cook grew in confidence and even slammed Ashwin over deep midwicket for only his second six in ODIs. There was no dislodging him even in a shortened game once he had decided to see England through and it meant that there was to be no glory for contrasting efforts from Rahane and Suresh Raina earlier.

There was nothing in Rahane's approach or stroke-making that reminded one of the crudities of the shortest format in a game reduced to almost Twenty20 length. Having watched a marauding Parthiv Patel allow him only two balls of the strike in the opening 20 deliveries, Rahane took charge after his opening partner's dismissal in a 79-run second-wicket stand with Rahul Dravid that set the platform for Raina to take off from.

While Rahane served further notice of his talent, Raina showed just why he is a transformed batsman in coloured clothing, using his favourite swing over cow corner to lift India from 125 to 182 in the space of 30 deliveries. He mostly faced Jade Dernbach's slower ones and wasn't tested by the short delivery, a tactic Stuart Broad and Tim Bresnan were prone to using against the Indian top order, which countered them with spunk.

When Broad - who had got him caught on the pull at long leg in the first ODI - dropped it short, Rahane launched him high over the deep midwicket boundary. He lifted the spinners straight down the ground, the highlight being a straight-batted loft on the up against Samit Patel before he chipped one straight back to the combative Swann.

Dravid middled almost every delivery he played but as has often been the case with him in limited-overs cricket, elegant drives raced straight to extra cover, ferocious pulls flew to deep square leg and industrious glides found point.

Parthiv had blazed away at the start, favouring the pull and the cut to collect 26 off Bresnan's opening two overs. Anderson, however, had Parthiv throwing his bat at a short and wide one only to feather it behind, a touch so faint that HotSpot failed to pick it, again, though Snicko didn't.

Rahane and Raina ensured that India capitalised on the kickstart that Parthiv provided, but Kieswetter and Cook were too good on the night.

Abhishek Purohit is an editorial assistant at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on September 9, 2011, 20:44 GMT

    personally i feel tendulkar deserves to be given chance irrespective of how many times he fails to achieve the record of 100 centuries....Imran Khan became a legend by winning worldcup for Pakistan..Tendulkar has done that..now its time for his personal achievements to be completed ..

  • 5wombats on September 8, 2011, 22:01 GMT

    @Suraj Sahoo; if what you say is true - then there's a problem - because in the last decade india only beat Australia ONCE (noteably) and that was in india. I don't remember india beating australia on a regular basis. The team dishing out the beatings to australia was England. England beat australia THREE times last in the last decade since and including 2005, most recently in australia. Australia is not the team to beat and wasn't for the whole of ponting's captaincy. World cricket has moved on - it doesn't measure itself against australia anymore. The reality is that India can not play outside of its own country on fast seaming tracks. In fact their record outside of india is amongst the worst in the last decade. I'm surprised - india fans ought to know this.

  • Sudu_putha on September 8, 2011, 13:31 GMT

    Did India win the WC??? I can't remember or that was a different team??? lol

  • Sudu_putha on September 8, 2011, 13:26 GMT

    LoSt AGain?>???? huh huh huuuuuuuuug

  • on September 8, 2011, 13:04 GMT

    India will win yet! Don't lose heart, our Boys in Blue,we are backing you! Wish you all the very best.GO INDIA GO !!!

  • Sudu_putha on September 8, 2011, 12:39 GMT

    It's funny INDIANS got something to say when ever where ever they loose it..lol

  • on September 8, 2011, 7:15 GMT

    @chiggers..Bro you are absolutely right.But you got me wrong.What i was trying to say is that India is the only team which beat Australia in test matches on a regular basis and beat them in test series in india.No team could do that when the Aussies were on top.The fact is that this team played extremely well in the last decade both at home and on foreign soil..Dont forget india was the finalist of 2003 world cup which was held in SA.India beat all its opponents except Australia.So please don not put the baseless argument that India can not play on fast seaming tracks.In fact they are amongst the best in the last decade.

  • on September 8, 2011, 6:10 GMT

    India need wicket takers bowlers

  • Valavan on September 8, 2011, 5:28 GMT

    @cenitin, before saying about england team, they are bunch of new guys except Bell and anderson, none of them have played in more than 100 ODIs. But in the current Indian team, 3 players have played 100 or more games, Dravid,Dhoni n Raina. Since India have similar and same players playing together since 2006, it looks void without them, but at any cost those few of injured players will retire and you must include new faces, but i dont think indian fans still persist to live in past, would have, could have arguments.

  • kingcobra85 on September 8, 2011, 4:33 GMT

    @Nabil Alam go comment on pakistan team. Ashwin is top class bowler for future and he will be here for a long time. We will not drop him

  • on September 9, 2011, 20:44 GMT

    personally i feel tendulkar deserves to be given chance irrespective of how many times he fails to achieve the record of 100 centuries....Imran Khan became a legend by winning worldcup for Pakistan..Tendulkar has done that..now its time for his personal achievements to be completed ..

  • 5wombats on September 8, 2011, 22:01 GMT

    @Suraj Sahoo; if what you say is true - then there's a problem - because in the last decade india only beat Australia ONCE (noteably) and that was in india. I don't remember india beating australia on a regular basis. The team dishing out the beatings to australia was England. England beat australia THREE times last in the last decade since and including 2005, most recently in australia. Australia is not the team to beat and wasn't for the whole of ponting's captaincy. World cricket has moved on - it doesn't measure itself against australia anymore. The reality is that India can not play outside of its own country on fast seaming tracks. In fact their record outside of india is amongst the worst in the last decade. I'm surprised - india fans ought to know this.

  • Sudu_putha on September 8, 2011, 13:31 GMT

    Did India win the WC??? I can't remember or that was a different team??? lol

  • Sudu_putha on September 8, 2011, 13:26 GMT

    LoSt AGain?>???? huh huh huuuuuuuuug

  • on September 8, 2011, 13:04 GMT

    India will win yet! Don't lose heart, our Boys in Blue,we are backing you! Wish you all the very best.GO INDIA GO !!!

  • Sudu_putha on September 8, 2011, 12:39 GMT

    It's funny INDIANS got something to say when ever where ever they loose it..lol

  • on September 8, 2011, 7:15 GMT

    @chiggers..Bro you are absolutely right.But you got me wrong.What i was trying to say is that India is the only team which beat Australia in test matches on a regular basis and beat them in test series in india.No team could do that when the Aussies were on top.The fact is that this team played extremely well in the last decade both at home and on foreign soil..Dont forget india was the finalist of 2003 world cup which was held in SA.India beat all its opponents except Australia.So please don not put the baseless argument that India can not play on fast seaming tracks.In fact they are amongst the best in the last decade.

  • on September 8, 2011, 6:10 GMT

    India need wicket takers bowlers

  • Valavan on September 8, 2011, 5:28 GMT

    @cenitin, before saying about england team, they are bunch of new guys except Bell and anderson, none of them have played in more than 100 ODIs. But in the current Indian team, 3 players have played 100 or more games, Dravid,Dhoni n Raina. Since India have similar and same players playing together since 2006, it looks void without them, but at any cost those few of injured players will retire and you must include new faces, but i dont think indian fans still persist to live in past, would have, could have arguments.

  • kingcobra85 on September 8, 2011, 4:33 GMT

    @Nabil Alam go comment on pakistan team. Ashwin is top class bowler for future and he will be here for a long time. We will not drop him

  • proudpommy on September 8, 2011, 1:29 GMT

    Um hakapuu what the hell are you talking about, yea sure india are missing a few key players but you cant take away from England that they are playing well. Plus India are doing what england was doing 5-10 years ago, getting young players in the team to get experiance so that when the key players eventually retire then they have players that allready know what its like to play international cricket. Australia did not do that and now, well there crap. But i think England played well and deserved the win.

  • cenitin on September 8, 2011, 1:14 GMT

    @ Ayaz Noor M...one thing more I am not giving any excuses....I don't need to...I accepted my team loss in the test matches ....its happened in sports..you win some and loss some..this is the same team which has been no 1 for last two years in test and even played brilliantly in the most of the last 5-6 years...won the ODI world cup and bring glory to the nation....we accepted all those wins so why not accept this loss too. But one thing is sure this team will make a come back !!

  • cenitin on September 8, 2011, 1:07 GMT

    @ Ayaz Noor M...Gautam, Yuvi, Rohit, Bhajji all get injured during the match, Sehwag just done with his surgery need more time to recover , even Sachin injury is unfortunate as he has been palying with same injured toe since 2004 but it reoccurrence now only.I agree India might not be best team to deal with Injuries. They had a very horrible test series too. but whatever is the reason my point is if you see with Eng perspective they are playing with India A team and favourable to win the series now.And still getting tough fight (Ind batted well in last two ODI).Eng fans are happy on this win its OK.They also have some new players but except KP (now morgan too)this is full Eng side.They choose new playes as there world cup campaign was not that good...but fans are getting over board here. May be if they won against full Ind team this comments might be acceptable. In any team in the world right now if you replace 7-8 players that team can't win. No one....Aus, SA, Pak,SL, Eng none

  • on September 7, 2011, 22:02 GMT

    India batted remarkably well, posting a big total against England. Ajinkye Rahane looks like a promising cricketer of the Indian team. The English batted well but not as good as the Indians, but the victory was a result of India's mediocre bowling line up, which the English exploited really well. If India has to win any of the remaining matches, they will have to bat exceedingly better than they did in the second ODI.

  • BuffetBowling on September 7, 2011, 21:53 GMT

    I would say this to the Indian fans: do not be too disheartened by last night's performance, as remember, it was basically a twenty20 match. The batsmen played as such, and as we are twenty20 world champions we should have been expected to win. You boys still put a good score on the board, with young Rahane and Parthiv Patel looking like future stars. Look at the weekend, in a 50 over match - a format at which you are world champs - you made 280-ish in difficult conditions, then had us about 30-2 before the rain came, and without Sachin and Sehwag too, so chin up! Oh, and we're no THAT bad an ODI side. Don't forget that despite our disappointing WC we still managed to tie with India and beat SA. We have the players to take on, and beat, anyone in 50 overs, just not yet the consistency. It will come, just like it has in tests

  • zico123 on September 7, 2011, 20:46 GMT

    ofcourse Praveen, Munaf, Vinay trio is one-dimensional attack, it took us 3 games to understand that !! Dhoni keeps saying our bowlers are not genuine quicks, then why he don't play Aaron Varun?? he must play in the remaining 3 games, you never know he might be the bowler India was looking for

  • chiggers on September 7, 2011, 19:36 GMT

    @ Suraj Sahoo - 'India is only team which beat the aussies on a regular basis in their backyard.' Really??? In 36 Tests W5 D9 L 22. Never won a series there. But don't let facts get in the way, hey?...

  • rsurya on September 7, 2011, 19:11 GMT

    If you lose there are many reasons like bad bowling, batting didn't worked well, sloppy fielding, IPL bla bla... But if you win then its only bcoz of our master mind Dhoni. And this has resulted in such whitewashes ohh....

  • OliverWebber on September 7, 2011, 18:52 GMT

    @Naresh28 - er, they *did* face the Australian fast bowlers just a few months ago...and won 3-1, with 3 innings victories and several scores over 500. And in SA, before this team was at its best, they drew a tough series 1-1. SA will be a tough challenge next year. Can't wait! Hopefully it will be a better contest than India have given us this summer...

  • saadfarrukh1 on September 7, 2011, 18:52 GMT

    well lets hope that the indian fans will run out of excuses by the end of this series whitewash.....although i thought the same before the test white wash that after that white wash indian fans will run out of excuses but that didnt happen but i am still positive that they will finally run out of excuses at the end of this series...lol

  • hakapuu on September 7, 2011, 18:33 GMT

    I am surpised by the negative comments against Indian team here based on this performance. Are you guys serious?? This is a second string Indian side..if not third! England should be embarrased that they let India score 188! 90% of the side that won the world cup is not here. I expect a 4-0 thrashing for India but cmmon this is India A vs England! Egland murdered India in the tests which is laudable but criticising India based on this performance or thinking that England is suddenly a good ODI outfit is just preposterous!

  • rahul211067 on September 7, 2011, 18:21 GMT

    I am foxed when all frontline bowlers went for averages of 7 and above then why cannot be Varun Aaron be part of bowling line up. Has he been sent to England just to bowl in nets and carry drinks on the field. Would not have Yusuf Pathan and Irfan Pathan been better choices than Manoj Tiwary and Varun Aaron, at least they would have carried better weightage than either of them. More surprising was that Manoj Tiwary who had landed just a few hours before was asked to bat.

  • dirtydozen on September 7, 2011, 18:07 GMT

    where has ashish nehra disappeared after his finger injury in the world cup. has he recovered or not.

  • gautam.met on September 7, 2011, 17:52 GMT

    The key characteristic of any world class team is to put a fight in all the games. India is still lacking that instinct. Team needs to play with 5 genuine bowlers in all one day and T20 games. Look at any other team in the world like Australia, England, SA, SL.. At least they have 5 front line bowlers. When team starts with only 4 genuine bowlers, it means that team is defensive.

    Also we need to chose bowlers who has the variety. BCCI needs to have a plan for one day or test team selection. I remember that Ashok Dinda played few games for India and then vanished. I think the plan must be long term and played should be molded to play their part.

    Only one good thing that has come up in this series is A Rahane. The guy looks really solid in defence and attack. Hope India sticks with him for longer time.

  • Monjur_Elahi on September 7, 2011, 17:37 GMT

    Its time India should consider playing some games against Bangladesh; they may be able to pull out some wins and this will help stopping their downwards slidng in the ranking. They can also be waived off the blame that they only do well on home ground ;-)

  • Pritt32 on September 7, 2011, 17:24 GMT

    India have showed improvements in their batting, as Raina and Patel shined with the bat, but go an extra mile with bigger totals. This is only chance of winning England. The bowling remains a concern. Why not try to approach a bowling legend like Hadlee,Lillee and Thomson? It is worth trying and could address the main problem area. It is too dangerous to rely on a fully fit Khan, as others needs to contribute as well. The current crops of Indian bowlers are struggling to contain a formidable England batting line up despite the absences of key players such as Morgan and Pietersen. On a flat track, England batting first would score 300 plus against a mediocre Indian bowling attack. India would be bowled less than 200 runs as England bowling is brilliant. I hope situation does not rise in series, as it starting to becoming upsetting for Indian fans. Selectors cannot brush the matter under the carpet. India needs to get out of this bad patch, as nothing going right for them now.

  • on September 7, 2011, 17:23 GMT

    @cenitin, well your players got injured because of other reasons, so its NOT England's fault! Now whether you call it your A team B team or world champs, it wears the same blue outfit it wore the world cup with and now look at what has happened to them. better stop giving pathetic excuses and do something about your team, may be protest n make sure next time your key player dont get injured when they are badly needed, that might help your team. these excuses are really become habitual now, haven't they?

  • on September 7, 2011, 17:19 GMT

    I cannot really understand what is going on with Indian Team. They are absolutely out of luck. Every time the team is in a upper position, the rain intervenes or injuries happen. I simply sympathize with the team and Dhoni.

  • Sakthiivel on September 7, 2011, 17:17 GMT

    @DazTaylor : India is a huge population where every one follow and play cricket. We have a long list on BCCI table for selection. Selecting a person to Indian team have lots of back fire from every one. Largely by media and public put pressure on selectors. Even Gavasakar was saying in the commentary that he was seeing Rahane playing first time even both belong to mumbai. This how India is.

  • on September 7, 2011, 17:03 GMT

    let me remind the English fans that your team couldn't beat us for 15 years.the last time your team toured india, it got thrashed 5-0.You can argue that it was on our home soil,then i would say your team is just doing same thing,on their home soil,isn't it?So don't be on the moon.Every team has its time.Well enjoy your good time.But lemme say one more thing the indian bowling attacks sucks big time.What a waste! Our young batsmen played amazingly but the poor bowling attack let us down.I am so sad...:D...Enjoy guys don't insult each others country.It's just a game after all.

  • on September 7, 2011, 16:50 GMT

    Guys please stop arguing here.The team india is playing really poor cricket in england and the main reason is our poor bowling attack.To those english fans who are keep on saying that indian team can't play on seaming tracks,just check the record.What about last to tour to england,what about their recent tour to SA,what about their fighting spirit against the aussie when they were on top and no team could give them a fight??India is only team which beat the aussies on a regular basis in their backyard.So have some knowledge and them speak.The fact is that each team goes through rough patches and this is team indias bad time.This is not an excuse,go check the sport's history.thank you..

  • on September 7, 2011, 16:36 GMT

    Team India can only Play in their own backyard or else they will fail Miserably

  • Lord_Dravid on September 7, 2011, 16:08 GMT

    WOW! lets not get carried away! this is a second string indian team that actually scored a good total. People gotta remember that we were without 8 first choice players! like i said before this series isnt a contest its a brillant opportunity for our younger players to get experience. if we played a full strength indian side no way england wudve won! and lets not forget this match was more or less like a 20/20 and in a 20/20 game like i said before anyone can win! im not really bothered neither concerned about this loss and im happy with the effort these fresh players have put in! lets play a proper odi game 50 overs that will test a teams odi skills and im sure we'll beat england even with our bench team if rain allows..afterall england have always been an ordinary odi side!

  • Yazdegerd on September 7, 2011, 15:55 GMT

    There will be a big party after complete white wash. Go England Go

  • hur979 on September 7, 2011, 15:33 GMT

    India proves a fake champ once again. In 1983, right after the WC final, they were thrashed by WI at home by 3-0 and 5-0 in tests and odi's. They simply cannot perform abroad as well. Last year against the same English team, Pakistan with a depleted and young team went into the 4th test with a chance of levelling the test series 2-2, eventually losing 3-1. They also levelled the series against Aus in England 1-1. Pakistan also gave a hell of a fight to the same English team in the odi's with the deciding 5th odi going in England's favor. Bangladesh last year also performed better than India in both tests and odi's, winning one odi. This proves that ICC rankings are flawed and they kept appeasing BCCI by allowing them a lions share of series and tournaments at home so that India can keep pilling on series and tournament victories including the WC.

  • Fluffykins on September 7, 2011, 15:32 GMT

    And today's excuse is..............

  • Naresh28 on September 7, 2011, 14:55 GMT

    GUYS WAIT TILL ENGLISH BATSMAN FACE SA AND AUSTRALIAN FAST BOWLERS. YOUR FANTASTIC STATS WILL FALL. THIS INDIAN BOWLING IS NOTHING, WE HAVE ALWAYS ONE GAMES THRU OUR BATTING AND YES WE ADMIT OUR BOWLING IS A PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!! I HOPE THOSE TEAMS MAKE YOU EAT YOUR WORDS.

  • vikram1705 on September 7, 2011, 14:36 GMT

    India, Zimbawe, Kenya, bangladesh and Ireland should play a championship together, ofcourse in India. Otherwise Dhoni will blame everything on the local weather conditions. What a whiner! Look at Raina! The same guy looked like a fool in test matches. All the players except Dravid should get a pay cut. Private companies should also boycott them from endorsing their products. When their bank accounts start drying out, they will again focus on their game and fitness level.

  • BravoBravo on September 7, 2011, 14:34 GMT

    @steve19191: Very well said. Hypothetically if IND loose against ZIM, would IND test status will be stripped; just curious. There should be some stipulations on ODI championship as well, the way IND performing in ODI, they should be decrowned from their champion status. This WC2011 was just a fluke, I still wonder how SL lost to IND in finals, mystery mystery mystery.

  • shefil on September 7, 2011, 14:21 GMT

    Aarron.. Aaarron.. Aarron..

  • cskfangg on September 7, 2011, 14:09 GMT

    @gm47 ""!! Maybe England could loan India a couple of our players to even up the teams :)""-- Ahh..can you know how many players in England team is English?.. almost 70% of England players were actually loaned (Ur term) from south Africa..LOL:( Even Vaughan says that he wants see 11 Englishmen were playing for England, but that is never going to happen.

  • steve19191 on September 7, 2011, 12:59 GMT

    @wombats LOL I couldd not agree more.....they crying , the bleating , the excuses etc oh for the love of god, India got found out for the 4th rate team that they are.....let this be the end of the moaning Jan 1st India will be rated 5th in tests 6th in ODI and 5th in T20 .......

    They shd organise a test series againsy Zimbabwe quick, just make sure its in India or you will lose that as well

  • on September 7, 2011, 12:51 GMT

    Man this India team are poor away from home. Bangladesh did FAAAAR better than this a months ago over here. Was expecting classic Summer of cricket - instead it's like watching someone you like and admire being kicked repeatedly when they are down. Man this whole summer has been so one sided it beggars belief. Even in 2006/7 England won the ODI series in Australia (Without Vaughan (knee), Pietersen (rib), Trescothick (homesick) Jones (Knee) Harmison (Form) Giles (Retired) with a makeshift bowling attack of Mahmood, Plunkett and Nixon of all people behind the stumps. But this is worse - England were 3rd or 4th coming into 2007 - several places behind Australia. India were supposed to be the best side in the world. Not even close - not even nearly - and not now, it seems in any form of the game once you get them ourtside the safety of their own pitches. This isn't a competition. It's like watching a judicial beating with a big stick.

  • itsthewayuplay on September 7, 2011, 12:11 GMT

    Whilst India's batting continues to show signs of improvement, there are still areas to work on - in particular they continue to gift their wickets away. On a flat wicket the batsmen managed to pick out fielders with their ariel shots eg Kohli was upset that he didn't get enough elevation on the ball to clear the Bell??? Why not place the ball either side of the fielder, run 1 maybe 2 and keep your wicket so that you're there at the death rather than Ashwin and Kumar. The bowling on the other is truly hopeless - no amount of runs will be enough to defend. When I watch India bowl, you just don't see where a wicket is going to come from. They use any smarts - V Kumar bowl a rare good delivery to get Keiswetter, so not more of those instead of spraying all over the place. Forget winning / losing and get back to the basics. Do my fellow Indian supporters still feel that England got away with it in the 1st ODI? Please don't show placards saying 'It's payback time' - it's beyond embarassing.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on September 7, 2011, 12:11 GMT

    Dhoni please get out of this Indian Team. Have some conscience. Please get out. Thanks in advance for obliging.

  • Stark62 on September 7, 2011, 11:51 GMT

    When Cook tries to play those big shots, he just fails miserably and it looks horrible but this game he actually hit some pretty powerful shots.

    His not fully there but his getting there and this will eventually improve his game (especially in the sub-continent).

    Also, I hope they don't drop Stoakes because his the next best thing I see in English cricket.

  • on September 7, 2011, 11:45 GMT

    I dont know why the indian team is not giving chance to the fast bolwer varun auron.....atleat they should do !!!!!!!!!!

  • on September 7, 2011, 11:39 GMT

    I think throught the tour Indian batsmen weakness against rising delivery and swing is exposed.Sachin,youraj, ghambir and other batsmen has opted to save their reputation through injuries.If they want have a good performance aginst Australia and other good sides they have to prepare fast and bouncy wicket in India.They also have to bring young players inplace of old players otherwise their fate will be like Autralia.Let me also suggest that cricketerneed rest they should have to give rest like Englad is doing.

  • Tatsache on September 7, 2011, 11:31 GMT

    I dont know how so many people is saying Ashwin is better bowler,please dont tell with IPL standards, and we can see in 1st over how confidence he is..he is not fit for Oversease condition....and some people say he is allrounder lol even though we dont need allrounder...we need professional and attacking bowlers.we missed basic option.! we have to find good bowlers..! otherwisedont surprise If india lose... ! :)

  • on September 7, 2011, 11:20 GMT

    I really find it funny reading many comments out here stating India would have won had zaheer ishant sehwag etc etc being here.First and foremost any gr8 team should be able to win matches even if some x y z is missing that is how good planning and management should be.But BCCI its always Honey show me the money.The management selectors players nobody is bothered.We dont have bench strength for bowling we depend on a zaheer only if he is not there then we are gone.In the tests except for Sehwag we had a full batting line only Dravid fired rest failed so stop complaining that had this happend we would have won had that happend we would have won.Unless the board and players start giving priority to national duty and continue playin IPL despite injuries and skip series the downfall is bound to happen we shall fall further down only

  • scitra on September 7, 2011, 11:10 GMT

    Bowler Overs Maiden Runs Wkts Runrate P Kumar 4 0 41 0 10.25 R Vinay 4.1 0 33 1 7.92 R Ashwin 5 0 42 2 8.4 Munaf 5 0 35 0 7 Kohli 3 0 22 0 7.33 Raina 1 0 13 0 13 LOOK AT THE ABOVE STATISTICS Observation 1 : What is the grave mistake Vinay and Ashwin done to be criticized as they are the only wicket takers three wickets @ average of 8 per over. Observation 2 : Had talented Praveen and experienced Munnaf performed and taken 2-3 wickets put together @ average of 8 or so, we could have fought a bit! Observation 3: Some of you talk about Zaheer, Bajji, etc.. What have they done in England just before this ODI? Nothing. Observation 4: Finally, the batsmen must provide a total of not less than 9.5 runs per over if it is 20 20 and 6.5 runs per over if it is 50 50 because the ground is very big - ones and twos coming easily. In between 4s / 6s help the England team to chase very comfortably.. So it is the batsmen who have to contribute better..

  • on September 7, 2011, 11:09 GMT

    After all the talk about Englands depth of strength in the bowling department it is nice to see us knock off a very decent Indian total with confidence even with K.P and Eoin Morgan missing, the batting looks pretty strong too

  • on September 7, 2011, 11:06 GMT

    world cup finalist india and srilanka going mad :(

  • Usman007 on September 7, 2011, 11:04 GMT

    @longlivecricket: hahahhahahhahahahahahahahhahaha... vey well said.. :D

  • gm47 on September 7, 2011, 10:56 GMT

    india-------- stuffed again :) before you all moan " we didn't have our best players" etc etc. England can only beat whatever is put in front of them..... and they did..... easily ! it's getting embarrassingly easy and repetitively boring !! Maybe England could loan India a couple of our players to even up the teams :)

  • OliverWebber on September 7, 2011, 10:54 GMT

    Just to illustrate how predictions can go wrong - here are some of the comments from the preview of the first test at Lords: India will remain at no 1 for long time 4-0 win for India Broad in the side? They'll tear him apart 3-0 in favor of India England team is overrated Dravid is in the worst phase of his career PK (Kumar) is gonna struggle These two sides cannot be more evenly matched

    And remember those (fans and experts alike) calling for Cook to be dropped before the Ashes?!

    So we should never be too confident in our own team, or too dismissive of the opposition!!

  • on September 7, 2011, 10:52 GMT

    A dominating win by Eng yesterday, and being English it was nice to watch....but....far too early to get carried away....I'm still not convinced about the Eng ODI team, it's still definitely a work in progress, and believe it or not IMO there's not a huge difference between the two current teams on paper, India are simply shellshocked currently, and play like a team with no coherence, thus on the sub-continent in a few weeks I expect a closely contested series with Eng to possibly pip it (depending on the Indian 'injuries' situation) Eng though are building towards the next WC in 2015, and are a team on an upward form curve whilst India are in decline...I think the forthcoming ODI in India will be the swansong for the likes of Tendulkar, Sehwag, Laxman etc etc as I believe the Indian selectors need to be ruthless afterwards and drop them from all forms of the game...Sounds harsh, but I believe it has to be done otherwise Indian cricket will serve a long lasting decline...

  • sonicattack on September 7, 2011, 10:49 GMT

    @BifferSpice I couldn't have put it better myself!

  • cskfangg on September 7, 2011, 10:37 GMT

    Its time for BCCI to wake-up and do things seroiusly to groom young fast bowlers, they cant afford to sit back and wait for another zaheer will arrive on his own, i think they must form a bowling academy in most of the states,to find the young blood for fast bowling and these players must be trained to learn and enhance their fast bowling skills. Bring those bowlers to Ranji trophy & under 19 team and select them on merit basis to national team. World's richest board can easily do this...if they really want India to compete in foreign conditions.

  • saadfarrukh1 on September 7, 2011, 10:34 GMT

    an official odi has to be played for 20 overs for it to be called an official match

  • OliverWebber on September 7, 2011, 10:33 GMT

    @ Muhammad Aslam Mirza - well, the great thing about cricket is that nothing is ever "sure"! For example, in Brisbane last year, when England were all out for 260, and Australia were 450-5, you might have said that it was "sure" that Australia would win the test and probably the series... And at Trent Bridge this year when England were 124-8, what was "sure" then? As an England fan, I would love to see a 4-0 win, but you never know, especially as some of these younger players have actually shown a bit of enthusiasm in these matches (eg Patel, Rahane). I wonder if Fletcher will be able to have more influence with the younger players - that could only be good for their team.

  • on September 7, 2011, 10:29 GMT

    India just can't do anything right while England seems to have found the secret of winning from any position.. Good for international cricket .. But I am really disheartened to see Indian Bowlers bowling like they are playing club match rather than a international match .. shame.. They never looked like they won World cup before 7 months !!!!..

    A good team should win every where not only in India or inside Asia for that matter and I agree with all those who reflect this in their comments..

    Biggest question I have .. Why Dhoni is reluctant to play Aaron who is slated to be the fastest in India when he is available for disposal and why Vinay Kumar .. I dont think Vinay is an all rounder or any special talent..

    WHY DHONI is not experimenting with 6 batsmen and 5 bowlers.. He can drop one batsman to get one bowler if that is required to play against this very talented team ..

    Experiment is the order of the day Mr MSD and your job is not acting in commercials but to lead the country.

  • on September 7, 2011, 10:22 GMT

    @Nabil Alam.. Gambhir youngster? Dude... Get your facts right.. Dhoni and Gambhir iboth are in their 30's. Gambhir can't be fit for even one match.. forget captaining India for a long duration. All I have to say is this is a passing phase and every high meets with a low. We will be back in form and raring to go in the next series. This series should be used as testing waters for the Youngsters like Ajinkya,Parthiv,Manoj Tiwary,Ashwin,Vinay and Aaron.

  • abdulahadjawaid on September 7, 2011, 10:20 GMT

    I don't know why Indian fans are saying that 8 out of 11 players from WC'11 team are not playing. I mean, did I stop them to play? This excuse is pathetic. Think before making this statement. Who is responsible? Me? or you? This is just because ICC/BCCI converted this game into business where players are forced to play even if they are injured. Soon all Indians will hate IPL because it's destroying the quality cricket.

  • on September 7, 2011, 10:10 GMT

    To all Indian fans citing excuses such as losing key players, and Eng relying on 'foreign' stars; Morgan Eng's most potent one day batsman (certainly when already missing KP) was out injured and Eng still thrashed you. I'm pretty sure Eng could beat India atm using strictly English born and bred players. Maybe time to stop making excuses and sort out your bowling-pronto!

  • SaadRazzaqKhan on September 7, 2011, 10:10 GMT

    India only win on home grounds...they were extremely lucky that world cup was scheduled in India. India seldom perform abroad especially on bouncy wickets. India lack good bowling and at the moment there no depth in batting. All in all India is just an average team hyped up significantly by Indian media and fans. I don't see much difference between India and Pakistan teams...both are below par!

  • SDHM on September 7, 2011, 9:56 GMT

    TRAM - When a batsman is flashing outside off stump, as Parthiv was, I don't think the bat is anywhere near hitting the pad! I reckon the reason he didn't review it was because he knew he'd hit it, but batsmen are beginning to cotton on to the fact that on thin nicks Hotspot can give them a life. Parthiv must've thought he'd hit it otherwise he'd have reviewed it straight away.

  • ibadkhurum on September 7, 2011, 9:52 GMT

    India is no longer a good team ;p

  • on September 7, 2011, 9:50 GMT

    Indian players performance and body language is different when they play IPL or Champions league... This is the main reason they are failed on English soil that they are playing more cricket in India on dead wickets...

  • hani120 on September 7, 2011, 9:31 GMT

    i thick that india is solely depend on zaheer khan.india have lack of quality bowlers.india entirely depend on batting but conditions like england,batsman fail to perform

  • on September 7, 2011, 8:59 GMT

    It happens sometimes, wen u r a good side and suddenly u loose each n every match n players getting injured n going home(Recent Australian team lost with SA n Eng) . But the Indian team shud make sure that this is only for this tour and must pull up their socks. And y i dont feel the presence of Duncan Fletcher. i dont even feel that there is an International coach for us. All the playing methods r very Indian, no difference in the playing style or standard.

  • kingcobra85 on September 7, 2011, 8:57 GMT

    seeing comments you would think India played only with Ashwin....what happened to the fast bowlers who were clueless... Why ask a spinner to bowl in powerplay ? Will any other bowl in powerplay ? besides 2/42 in 5 overs is the best figure by an indian yesterday/ For a spinner playing only his second match in england ever!!!!!!!!! this is way better than anything.... Cant believe some of these comments...

  • on September 7, 2011, 8:52 GMT

    To All, Who are criticizing india for defeat, look at their side, only two players from their world cup winning team, only one from the team who was consistent overseas in one dayers.you can't ask all youngster to raise up their game to international level on first go.at least i am not over expecting india to win all ODI.

  • Vnket on September 7, 2011, 8:51 GMT

    There should be an sms service from cricinfo to registered visitors which alerts them about the start of such rain delayed matches. I missed the entire match :(

  • on September 7, 2011, 8:18 GMT

    Hi, Daz

    You have raised a very valid point. Irony of situation is such that Rahane did not play much in any version of IPL. Rahane plays from Mumbai and has been pretty consistent for last 3-4 years.

    I wonder how Sachin failed to notice such a talented player.During IPL 3, Rahane was playing from MI . Rahane did not have much outings even at that time.

    So the myth that IPL is great venue where talented youngsters from India can prove themselve seems to be only myth after all.

    Shri

  • BifferSpice on September 7, 2011, 8:09 GMT

    if [insert bowler] had been picked, india would have won. i can't believe that [insert current bowler] has been picked. it's all the selectors fault. and dhoni. dhoni should have done something magical out there to somehow alter the entire match. also harbhajan singh being absent has hurt us, even though we were all calling for him to be dropped when he was playing, because we thought he was ineffective, but now realise he would have won us the series. and khan. oh khan would have got every englishman out every time. for 0. and tendulkar out for this series has hurt us so bad, cos you all saw the scintillating form he was in during the test series. it's the IPL, it's the weather. wait till you come to india. series outside india shouldn't count. england need to win in india to be considered number 1 side, even though we can't play outside india either. it's the pitches. you shouldn't be able to make pitches that suit bowlers, not when we haven't got any...

  • on September 7, 2011, 8:08 GMT

    @OliverWebber One thing is sure INDIA can not win this series keeping inn view the current form of INDIA/ENGLAND. Only interest left in series in whether India lose by4-0 or 3-1.

  • kaathir on September 7, 2011, 7:19 GMT

    To all INDIAN Fans, when i read comments everyone telling INDIA will BEAT ENGLAND or any team when they visit INDIA. we are talking about international cricket here. india has to win whether its AWAY or HOME game. its every (INTERNATIONAL) players DUTY to adopt the pitch conditions and perform WELL. the way you guys talk the wining of WC2011 is beacause it played in ASIA other wise INDIA will be in the position same as in ENGLAND NOW. HOPE YOU ALL ENJOY MY COMMENT AND THINK.

  • dinuhebbar on September 7, 2011, 7:01 GMT

    After first match got washed out, MSD is stated to have told India had a chance of winning that match. If India cannot defend 187 in 23 overs, they would lost that match too. No wonder, England deserve to complete whitewash in this format also.

  • OliverWebber on September 7, 2011, 7:00 GMT

    @ Cpt Meanster: "When a guy like Alastair cook is smashing the ball, you gotta know something is VERY wrong with India's bowlers." Actually, I don't think there's any shame in that - look at Cook's form in one-dayers this year. Remember his 95 of 75 against SL? Sure, India have problems, but Cook is an awesome batsman who has shown how brilliantly he can adapt his game. I was relieved to see England make a successful chase here, as so many times after a good test series we've seen England fail in the one day matches, which do feel like a bit of an afterthought. I remember when the one-dayers always used to come first - I think that makes *much* more sense: an exciting appetiser to the main event, the test series. It'll be interesting to see what happens from here - remember, anything is possible from 4-0 to England to 3-1 to India! At least there is a bit of spice in the Indian team now - maybe the injuries are a blessing in disguise!

  • Ranjan_PVCC on September 7, 2011, 6:59 GMT

    I do not know how the selection process works but, knowing the conditions and the wicket, India should have selected Irfan Pathan for the tour. This would have been the first condition for a Irfan Pathan comeback whose services India need more that they can think of. Irfan is a genuine wicket taker and a good all-rounder who could've more than filled up Yuvi's position and such condition would've done a world of good to his confidence and skills. I am not so much troubled by the performance of the Indian team as much as I am with the illogical and appalling team selection. Cricket is not so much about the results as the thoughts that go into the game. Trying Aaron would be one little thing that the team management could do to try and salvage some pride and momentum.

  • Boomastic on September 7, 2011, 6:58 GMT

    Nowadays Dhoni brain is working on how to keep his competitors out of game e.q R Uthappa......he should use his brain and batting skills to win games for India

  • Truemans_Ghost on September 7, 2011, 6:55 GMT

    Let's not get too excited. England play very good one day cricket occassionally. They even did in the world cup. Problem is they also play some pretty ordinary one day cricket far too often. They have won what was basically a 20-20 to go one nil up. Well done but, when it comes down to it -meh. By the way, maybe if Raina wears his ODI kit under his whites kit might improve his test form.

  • on September 7, 2011, 6:54 GMT

    We r always rely with ZaheerKhan, and Bhajji is also not a great wicket taking bowler these days . Any way this year we don't have luck in england grounds . Better luck next time

  • Zippydidodah on September 7, 2011, 6:53 GMT

    @Green_Devils Aaron has played in one of the practice matches on this tour against Leicestershire. His 3 overs went for 34 runs. Its a lot to ask him to step into a full international without some proper match practice.

  • on September 7, 2011, 6:45 GMT

    Zaheer is the only person missing here who was the world cup hero for India but even if he has been on the tour there would not much difference as cricket is played with 5 bowlers not 1 bowler. Harbhajan got a good stick in Test matches, its good baji is not here and ashwin is getting exposed which will be good for the rest of the year for indian team by not selecting him.Raina, Sharma, Kohli, Dhoni , Dravid is a fairly strong batting line up but I think Dhoni has got satisfied after winning the world cup and what more can you expect from him. I think its better to give captaincy to a new youngster like Gautam and let him take it from there............

  • kevinpp24 on September 7, 2011, 6:39 GMT

    No 2, No 3, No 4 and No 5 from england batting lineup are in top 10. well that shows why they won everything. Pretty good side at the moment mainly because everyone in the team stood up at the same time to the Skipper's and Coach's call. Actually only now i understood why england give priority to Test cricket, most ODIs are washed out whereas in test cricket even if a day or a session or two gets washed out, with the bowling friendly wickets they can still get a result. I was actually expecting a series like 2005 Ashes since both teams looked in form similar to Australia and England in 2005 but was disappointed. To be Honest they look like started to fight but they are near the End. I'm an England supporter.

  • on September 7, 2011, 6:37 GMT

    The pathetic part about Indians fans is that they rely on the oldies who are about to retire and call it their A team. Accept the fact, these guys playing atm is the future of India. Its a matter of time before Tendulkar, Sehwag, Zaheer Khan will retire. God knows which bowler would have made any difference though. Excuses excuses. England dont even care about ODI, they dont even have 50 over format in England, Its more for 40 overs. Shows why England have been poor at ODIS but they still whoop India.

  • on September 7, 2011, 6:24 GMT

    plz stop playing four spinners in this team............dhoni is very poor at spotting talent.....not a single talent came in his team........ganguly was fabulous ,he knew the worth of talent

  • wild_wild_best on September 7, 2011, 6:23 GMT

    If MSD is dependent on Zaheer, Sehwag, Sachin etc. then maybe he's an over-rated Captain.

  • MightyResilient on September 7, 2011, 6:19 GMT

    This is going to be another whitewash I presume.. World Champions are being torn apart quite ferociously...Indians will find batters and they can pose a descent total against any side on a good day but what about the dismal bowling line up..INDIA dont seem to have enough venom in their pace attack....Why India can not find a genuine fast bowler??????? I have not seen or heard of any Indian clocking over 150 KM.....????? Why is it so?????? it is really ridiculous and hard to believe....For how long they can depend on Parveen Kumar...India's prime so called FAST bowler clocking around 127-130 Km....

  • shaver on September 7, 2011, 6:11 GMT

    India's bowling attack has always been very bad, so what can we expect from them against a one like 23-23 against england in their home ground?! they shud give a chance to varun aaron, because, if they anyways had to loose, why not with experimenting new tallents? and i also think that irfan should get a chance, u never know, he may perform, and he is a 100 times better than bro yusuf!!! no matter what people say, the blame will finally go on captain M.S. Dhoni, cause he is responsible for all team india acheive and dont! and over that, our team has like half the squad injured, so what can u expect at a time like this??? and we also know very well that england is the best team in t-20, unless we get a new bowling attack, so how could any1 think that a score like 187/8 would help?? and the way raina and dhoni went off, 200 was an easily acheivable total!!!! so all in all, india has once again lost their 6th or 7th match in a row, so now let us just conclude this series as a total fail!

  • on September 7, 2011, 6:05 GMT

    Guys. just check Pak ODI series against England last year. After having loss of Amir n asif, after having so much controversies. we played much better cricket than india against this side. Shame on you Mr. Dhoni. Keep giving them excuses.

  • maja2834 on September 7, 2011, 5:54 GMT

    Thank god it rained in the first game.Now at least we cant loose 5-0 .

  • Green_Devils on September 7, 2011, 5:52 GMT

    Two of my doubts have pretty much been cleared. Ashwin is an over-rated (I'm not saying bad, just over-rated) spinner. And Vinay Kumar is just not international standard. India should try out young Varun Aaron, the youngster who is known to hit 140 Kmph consistently, to at least add some variety in an otherwise listless and toothless bowling line-up.. I am not saying that Varun Aaron will be India's saviour, but it would be a fair trial, given how these guys are performing. And in the long run, if this is how listless the Vinay Kumars are going to be, why not have Irfan Pathan in the lineup??? Surely, he won't bowl any worse, but will add a whole lot of variety to the squad!!!

  • DazTaylor on September 7, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    Another game, another England win. I wont comment on that as there are plenty of others echoing my thoughts. I do have one question for our Indian friends though: How has Rahane not played before the T20 for India? A First CLass average of 67 is just awesome (nearly 5,000 runs so it is clearly not a fluke). His three innings (T20, two ODI) against England he has looked the part. He has a trttific career ahead of him. Why was he not playing in the test matches?!

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on September 7, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    Another day of reckoning for Indian fans. I thought England didn't bother to turn up for a one-day cricket match....

  • on September 7, 2011, 5:47 GMT

    India seem to have developed a losing habit of late. It all began on 13 June 2011 when India lost to West Indies at Antigua by 103 runs, since then India has not won a single international match in any format of the game. This is a truly appalling statistic. What makes it even worse is the fact that all this has happened in the same year as our historic World Cup triumph. The Indian team was a collective failure in all departments in Test series. In the shorter format, however, our batting is putting up a good show. Unfortunately, it's the bowlers that have let us down, they were ineffective with the red ball and they've been miserable with the white ball. The major factor here is that the 'pace' is non-existent in the pace bowlers. It's hard to imagine why someone like Vinay Kumar has to play when we have a genuinely quick bowler in Varun Aaron. The team management needs to take some strong decisions when deciding on the playing X1, only then can we put up a challenge in this series.

  • Alpial on September 7, 2011, 5:45 GMT

    I know that all the fans and viewers of Indian Cricket are very very disappointed with the performance of indian team, but let me tell you one thing that the most wins espacially major tourments (rare) are due to influence either of ICC President or some other sources (no need to mention). this is the actual capacity of indian team, which they are showing on current tour. so i request to all of my friends to remain calm and dont blame any players for this Pathetic performance.

  • Sakthiivel on September 7, 2011, 5:42 GMT

    @Saad Khan: SL was white washed immediate series after their 1996 WC. But that doesnt matter. Win and loss are part and parcel of the game.

  • on September 7, 2011, 5:37 GMT

    I think the main problem is their bowling attack and the poor form of the the captain (Dhoni). The selectors needs to take these two issue very carefully and take some positive and effective steps to overcome them.

  • on September 7, 2011, 5:37 GMT

    Love that greetings to England from Pakistan go and beat india in onedays too !

  • chamalqif on September 7, 2011, 5:31 GMT

    This is not Indian full team. Even though batting is strong, there is no bowling attack like Zahir, Haribajan.

  • on September 7, 2011, 5:28 GMT

    Most of the Indian cricket fans sound illogical and impulsive. Now after the 2nd ODI loss I read comments about axing Dhoni as a captain and also calling him a burden. Gosh!! whats wrong guys. If there are ups, there will be downs. The skipper has given us some unforgettable moments during his tenure, we enjoyed it to the core. But now when the chips are down instead of showing support, we are demotivating him. As an Indian cricket fan I show my support to MSD cause I believe that he's a fighter and he ought to bounce back. I am sure after so many victories if at all Dhoni was thinking that hes invincible, this series would eliminate all such thoughts. Its good for him. And yaa, I am not a MSD Fanatic. I love cricket

  • bandas on September 7, 2011, 5:23 GMT

    Its ok everyone played well. one have to win finally. but i would like to see amit and RP get chance in next match. vinay and ashwin look not that good for these wickets.

  • on September 7, 2011, 5:12 GMT

    Oh what happened to India?World Cup Champs huh.... oh how poor now?

  • sachXI on September 7, 2011, 5:06 GMT

    Even ENGLAND are without KP, TROTT, MORGAN....and if INDIA would have been so strong then they would definitely be having some BENCH STRENGTH(like aus) too!! but they are always dependent on their KEY PLAYERS!! and to top it all i seriously think that India should be a much better t20 side than any team bcoz of IPL played too much in which all Indian ckters are playing while intl players are either on some intl tour or do not play bcoz of max 4 outside players criteria.Indians benefit too much from IPL!! All the previous victories were due to 1)subcontinent condns excluding NZ and SA(where they lost the ODI series and managed a draw in test)... I wud say after playing SO MUCH T20 ckt in INDIA(that helped them win the WC though.) atleast their A/B team should have pulled this Off!!! Those key players of INDIA would not have scored any better...while England started firing straight away and kept the momentum going in the middle overs ,India played slowly in those middle overs..

  • Andy.rockz on September 7, 2011, 5:00 GMT

    Wow! Well done England i hope you can show the same display when the temperatures are above 40+ and and humidity more than 90% can you able to be your best side..put ur hand on the heart obviously you cant very Warm welcome to Asia in the coming weeks Njoy the tour

  • on September 7, 2011, 4:58 GMT

    india can only win in their own condition, in india.. all the indian players has a good record in india,not in the other countries.. thts the problem..BCCI should understand this.. otherwise like this series 4-0 loss is written

  • cric7 on September 7, 2011, 4:47 GMT

    Ajinkya Rahane is a good stroke player. He can fill Sehwag's gap(cap). One thing I noticed is he is kind of sluggish after 50 or after 14 overs. may be stamina issue. He plays short balls so well. Congrats Ajinkya

  • on September 7, 2011, 4:46 GMT

    Yawn.. isn't it so boring these one sided games.. what happened to the Indian fans who were boasting that their one day and T20 sides will thrash England saying they are incapable of winning ODIs?

  • scitra on September 7, 2011, 4:43 GMT

    When are we going to think logically? India need on board @ 9.5 runs if it is 20-20 and 6.5 runs in 50 overs match to beat England in England. There is no point in blaming the bowlers. 1. Pitch condition was so beautiful to bat (Indian batted well!! Will English not bat with that kind of line up?) 2. England were to chase only 8 runs an over in TWENTY THREE OVER MATCH!! 3. Run a ball was very much easier in that big ground and occasional 4s and 6s brought down the chase. The score of 187 WAS NOT ENOUG to chase in 23-23 overs. The above run rate is essential to beat England. What is the point in blaming the bowlers? Do you mean to say that PraveenKumar / Munnaf are useless who performed so well (who leaked runs so badly without a wicket!)? Had they taken wickets in tandem with Vinay at least one each, we could have thought of something!! It is a GAME. We need to lose at times. Else it would be too boring if we win every time like Chennai Super Kings winning in IPL!

  • Jaijo on September 7, 2011, 4:36 GMT

    Dhoni looking for a unique record. Indian captain not having won or drawn any match played. Good goin dhoni

  • ADB1 on September 7, 2011, 4:35 GMT

    @Trickstar: "Indian fans sow what they reap, they have been arrogant and big headed and just generally classless for too long, so don't go crowing because a few England fans are giving it back to them."

    Well put and absolutely spot on.

  • ciby on September 7, 2011, 4:21 GMT

    We should try Sreesanth as all other bowlers have failed

  • only4win on September 7, 2011, 4:16 GMT

    please for god sake...change the captain of team n these begging bowlers...if indian team seriously wants to do well against good teams,i can challenge all the cricket pandits.. who r not agree with me on these points, with this captain n this miserable bowling attack..this team is gng no where,somebody tell these indian bowlers that bowling is not all about throwing the ball to the batsman to hit it,u r supposed to put everything behind each delivery,these indian bowlers neither have pace nor has variations,no aggression,no killer instinct,they just bowl a ball and beg to the batsman that he will play a miss hit and give them a wicket,throw these beggars out of the team, n bring some pacy bowlers who has fire instinct n strength in their arms those can bend their back,n i want to make a humble request mr.dhoni please dnt play with the future of indian cricket,bcoz u r earning ur millions of rupees from these cricket,but indian cricket is losing its respect, future n dignity,

  • ratedstfu44 on September 7, 2011, 4:15 GMT

    LOVE THOSE SENTENCES "" """As he often does in the IPL, MS Dhoni turned to the offspin of R Ashwin in the fifth over. However, this wasn't the heat of Chennai; it was the biting cold of a chilly Southampton evening and Ashwin was lifted over long-on for consecutive sixes by Kieswetter""" LOL.... well written by Abhishek Purohit

  • Gupta.Ankur on September 7, 2011, 4:12 GMT

    Yes, India continues to lose, but allowance must also be made for the fact that 8 out 11 WC winning team are not part of this series......

    Even then our youngsters are putting up such great spirited effort........

    I can't see who would have batted and bowled for Eng if their star players would have suffered a similar fate......probably few more from SA....

  • on September 7, 2011, 4:09 GMT

    With this attack India never can win a single match..I dont know why yousuf, irfan and Robin is out if team. Dhoni & Srikant always put Chennai players...India need all-rounders like pathan brothers not bowler like abcde..... Dhoni now need some breaks from international cricket

  • deconstruct on September 7, 2011, 4:09 GMT

    I am SO SICK AND TIRED of reading comments by Indian fans that this is a second string Indian side due to injuries and blah, blah, blah. Take on the chin like a man, instead of giving pathetic excuses. Pakistan went into the World Cup without both their front line fast bowlers, and yet made it to the semi-finals. Australia, in their recently concluded golden era won a number of matches without their first choice players. A champion side is supposed to have the bench strength to meet these contingencies. Another thing is the margin of defeats in the test matches. Had they been close encounters one could have said that the presence of Harbhajan and Zaheer could have altered the result. All one could say is that they may have managed to reduce the margin of defeat but the ultimate result was never in doubt. Lets face it: you can't win matches by batsmen alone. Pakistan's 3rd string attack currently on show in Zimbabwe looked better than India's.

  • on September 7, 2011, 4:05 GMT

    Lets hope we can get a full game, and watch England try to chase 320.

    They should get rid of some of the rules in ODI matches. No fielding circles, no power plays, no limits on number of over per bowler etc. The rules were put there to force teams and matches to "look like" mini test matches, perhaps this had some validity in 1971, but that was 40 years ago. All ODI's are played with the same tactics, getting rid of the contrivances would allow more tactical variation, a team of 4 bats, 6 bowls & keeper versus a team of 7 bats, 4 bowls & keeper.

  • kuchiki on September 7, 2011, 4:03 GMT

    @Mushfiq Ahmed well said. This tearing off treatment should teach them a lesson.

  • landl47 on September 7, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    Lots of bewailing the lack of India's WC players (there are actually 4 in the team, including Munaf, who was India's most economical bowler in the WC final; Sreesanth was not picked for the ODI squad, as presumably he wasn't thought to be as good as the bowlers who are here), but this was far from England's first team as well. No KP or Morgan, the heart of the batting line-up, and Trott was left out when the match was reduced to 23 overs. Cook hasn't been playing in matches as short as this and he not only had to adapt his batting but also his captaincy. Stokes is 20 years old and had never batted in an ODI (he still hasn't) and Samit Patel hardly ranks as a top 5 batsman. An England line-up of Kieswetter, Cook, Bell, Bopara, Patel and Stokes for a 23-over game isn't exactly fearsome, and yet they made India's bowling look second-rate. The bowlers India are missing are Zak, Sree, Bhaji, Yuvi and Sachin- does anyone think any of them except Zak would have made a difference?

  • Romenevans on September 7, 2011, 3:47 GMT

    AND now, all of a sudden when they come back home, they will drop Rahane for some strange reason and will take Mukund to Australia. LOL! Mark my words, they don't like rahane and they are here to spoil his career just like they did to Robin Idli wala Utahappa. Is tiwari better than Yusuf pathan? Gimmie a break. Its like quota of the states being filled up. One from mumbai, one from banglore, 3-4 from chennai, 1 from kolkata and rarely 1 from kerela.

  • m_ilind on September 7, 2011, 3:41 GMT

    India's pace bowlers should be called "slow bowlers". India has slow bowlers and spin bowlers.

  • Romenevans on September 7, 2011, 3:38 GMT

    Dhoni have all the excuses for bowlers and batsman, WHAT ABOUT himself? Isnt he is a big burden on the team? No body dares to say a thing to him? I'm sorry, but to be honest, Dhoni is the biggest burden on the team. He can't score in any form of the game (except for CSK against school boys in some other IPL circus teams). In the T20 match he wasnt able to stop the edge went for four runs, he should have saved that easily. BY his keeping, his arrogance, His buddy favors in team selection and his over gambling experimentation in the match is sinking the team. The old good luck days are over for you MR DHONI! Sadly, for the nation is is so disappointing that, not a single selector can ask a thing to dhoni.

  • chalindu on September 7, 2011, 3:33 GMT

    Dhoni should quit his career as a captain.He can't do it further.sorry guys,but this is urgent!!

  • P.Srikanth on September 7, 2011, 3:25 GMT

    It hurts everytime if India lose a match. Winning and losing is part of the game but losing consistently is an issue. If there is any positive that we need to take, it is the find of Ajinkya Rahane. Let me tell you this guy will play 200 ODIs for India minimum. Unlike others, Rahane made his debut in England under tough conditions aginst the best bowling side in the world and has not let any of us down with two 50s. He comes to mind not as a swashbuckling opener but a steady opener like Gavaskar. All hopes on this Mumbai kid to carry on the form to home series against England, West Indies and down under to Australia.

  • Ameega on September 7, 2011, 3:24 GMT

    @5Wombats, I do not see any difference between you and some Indian fans that you are talking about.

  • Trickstar on September 7, 2011, 3:20 GMT

    @austraind How about you live in the here and now, it doesn't matter one iota what happened 6 months , 5 or 20 years ago, that's what losers do when they lose, think of the good times.

  • on September 7, 2011, 3:17 GMT

    Dear England, Please tear them off in the ODI series as well. They need some treatment like this. Lately, they and their fans have developed a habit of putting expert comments on everything in this world. This 'tearing off' treatment should lower that down. Thanks for the mental satisfaction that you are providing to the world cricket! :)

  • Trickstar on September 7, 2011, 3:16 GMT

    @Shriram Siravara Give it a rest and jump off your high horse because it's a hell of a drop, Indian fans would have been all over this forum giving it the big one, saying England are rubbish etc if they would have won today. Even before this game they were going to defo win it because of that false belief that is held that England aren't good at ODi's, even after the rain effected on the other day, listening to the Indians fans you'd have thought they had won the game and posted 350 . Indian fans sow what they reap, they have been arrogant and big headed and just generally classless for too long, so don't go crowing because a few England fans are giving it back to them.

  • JustIPL on September 7, 2011, 3:08 GMT

    I think topic has already changed to Rahane from talk on India's suitability as number one team. Rahane has shown his pedigree. Again a good batsman earlier than a good bowler that India are still to find. Now the formula is to find players from IPL and make them part of India A team then filter them to play for Indian team.

  • Trickstar on September 7, 2011, 3:08 GMT

    @TRAM Ha ha ha ha bat hitting pad, your having a laugh, or you didn't watch the game, Partiv was out with a cross batted slog , how can it be remotely possible he hit is pad playing that shot, his bat was literally 3 or 4 foot away from his pads, apart from the fact you could see the ball deviate in slow mo and also on SKY they showed Snicko and it was conclusive he hit it.Talk about either false hope or making things up.

  • phoenixsteve on September 7, 2011, 3:07 GMT

    Another good performance from England just reasserting the fact that they are far superior to India on proper cricket wickets. Maybe on the subcontinent flat tracks India will be able to compete? At present though it's Men vs Boys......

  • prannsshu on September 7, 2011, 3:06 GMT

    well it was a solid all round performance by english team...........cook,bell, bopara, keizwetter all done well...... pathetic selection by dhoni....... wanna see a lot frm bopara in this series........... he is such a gifted player.. need a bit luck nd more chances.............

  • Cricket-Holic on September 7, 2011, 3:03 GMT

    Ind sucks and please don't talk about WI. Please..

  • on September 7, 2011, 3:03 GMT

    India's problem is bowling. Stop blaming the captain, weather, team selection, IPL, pitches etc. I knew this day would come when India started to completely depend on their batting to win matches. As I recall the common sentiment was - 'Our strength is batting'.

  • Trickstar on September 7, 2011, 3:02 GMT

    @lokphy Why don't you do the same instead of making silly predictions, the facts are India are going to have to put up mammoth totals to stop England from reaching them, they're attack is absolutely hopeless.

  • on September 7, 2011, 2:59 GMT

    Dhoni.please getout of this team indiaDhoni.please getout of this team india

  • DocBindra on September 7, 2011, 2:42 GMT

    Wombats, if you don't like being on the board, don't very simple. Its obviously bugging you to be here, so don't! No one is twisting your arm...

  • priyal85 on September 7, 2011, 2:41 GMT

    India lose again! How come they win the World Cup..!! I see another white wash!

  • on September 7, 2011, 2:39 GMT

    INDIA needs a perfect ODI INDIA needs a perfect ODI

  • DocBindra on September 7, 2011, 2:38 GMT

    So wombat, no reference to yourself in the 3rd person today? If you don't have anything important to say, try being quiet instead of the pointless digs. That will be a new one, ey GOD? Try to stay classy and practice what you preach because at the end of the day, its only a game. You still have to get up and go to work like the rest of us and put your pants one leg at a time. @James Morley, exact same is true about England.

  • KrazyCricketKid on September 7, 2011, 2:34 GMT

    Lets see if England can beat India in a 50-over match. Then all you england fans can hype all you want! This match was very similar to a t20. So i knew India wouldnt have won this easily!

  • wazza85 on September 7, 2011, 2:29 GMT

    oh wat ever happen to the wc champions? knew it they are only good on their own soil.

  • on September 7, 2011, 2:17 GMT

    Most of the Indian players focus on Advertisement rather than on game. So the result is its outcome.

  • on September 7, 2011, 2:16 GMT

    no matter how much you score, if your bowling SUCKS, you still might lose the match, so india better get some bowlers. Now lets see what ppl claiming 'India will whitewash Eng in ODIs' have to say :D

  • Dilbar786 on September 7, 2011, 2:11 GMT

    It seems like "team injured" cant win without dead flat pitches....

  • on September 7, 2011, 2:06 GMT

    As a supporter of india,we shd accept dat dhonis luck is fizzing away nd his real abilites r shown as captain.This england side r also widout dere key players nd also dey drew d match against india at WC chasin 338.Matter of d fact is our captain doesnt care abt it neither our board.dats y ders n proper mangemnt.Aussies team of prime won sevral tours widot dere key players

  • cking on September 7, 2011, 2:06 GMT

    First of all lets face it at this point of time England is much better than INJURED INDIAN TEAM, i think it is great to put up some kind of fight with B TEAM but the BIGGER ISSUE is STRATEGY i dont know why Dhoni cant see that this is not batsman's game he need to play 5 regular bowlers, he is not Ganguly who took Indian team to the finals with only 4 bowlers and part time wicket keeper. So next game play 5 BOWLERS and i can assure you it will make a huge difference otherwise he can be as Egoistic as he wants to and keep loosing or forget about that he is THE DHONI who came so far with LOADS OF LUCK which had to end some where so take some advice not from us but from the experts like Gavaskar or Dev's and he might be able to save his face otherwise 4-0 is on the cards

  • on September 7, 2011, 2:04 GMT

    it was absolute carnage out there, the indian team was ripped apart despite an amazing batting display, England are just playing better , straight and simple , no excuses , injuries, cold weather blah blah blah, The Indian team got owned ....period...!!! Congratulations Team England !! and btw ,No need for Indian fans to feel embarassed at all by todays loss, England were just better, thats it...

  • on September 7, 2011, 1:51 GMT

    India should come back to thier own soil to win some matches.

  • umbuly on September 7, 2011, 1:45 GMT

    Dhoni lacks responsibility. Why does he play such shots like a maniac in a hurry. Unless the captain shows that he cares about the outcome of the game, the players are not going to have the right spirit to win. I don't think he showed his winning attitude in the last WI test match, nor did he show in his reactions on the media about the utterly defeats here.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on September 7, 2011, 1:44 GMT

    Dhoni, please get out of this Indian Team. You are costing us dearly both as a batsman and as a captain. Please get out.

  • jmcilhinney on September 7, 2011, 1:40 GMT

    I think that this game should serve as notice to those who said that India were certain to win the first game when it was interrupted. That said, I don't think anyone should get too carried away over the result. I think the important thing is what each team can take from their own performances. It seems that England have picked Kieswetter for how he's likely to play outside England. It's encouraging to see him play this way in England too, but it would be nice to have him playing this way consistently or else have someone else to open in England. It's great to see Cook's continued development and Bell also showed that he can score when playing naturally. India showed they have good depth with the bat in ODIs but again their bowling was the an issue. Yes they have had injuries but England have several bowlers who could step in if needed. Raina epitomises India's situation: strong in limited overs but much weaker in Tests. Until they prioritise Tests, that will continue.

  • akkihappy on September 7, 2011, 1:39 GMT

    RAINA WAS AWESOME......if he play big innings like that ..english will forget .shrt ball to bowl....

  • aracer on September 7, 2011, 1:33 GMT

    A rare occurrence today - Cook's second ever ODI 6!

  • spin_king4 on September 7, 2011, 1:22 GMT

    Rahane must be in the test squad to aus, he averages much better thab mukhund in first class (67 to 53) is a solid number 3, has had success in aus with india a team recently and looks a natural hooker/puller, i think it would be better to give him the experience there ahead of raina(a lost cause in tests) i think he would excel.

  • sermadali on September 7, 2011, 1:22 GMT

    Donkeys loses again :) well neither test match no T 20 and no one day

  • on September 7, 2011, 1:17 GMT

    India should use sense , its not all about batsmen, to win you also need bowlers. they keep producing batsman, but nothing in bowling department

  • landl47 on September 7, 2011, 1:17 GMT

    @Bullybaaz: the minimum for an official game is 20 overs. It's never been 25 overs, as far as I recall- certainly not for a long time, if at all.

  • landl47 on September 7, 2011, 1:15 GMT

    This looked a well-balanced England side, though it has to be said that on a very good batting wicket India just doesn't have the bowling to trouble good batsmen. Cook batted very well and is broadening his range of attacking strokes. He does need to work on his captaincy in the field, though: for the second game in a row, Anderson was not bowled out, despite being England's best bowler. 3 overs, 1-11 and yet he wasn't used later in the innings. Cook has to be able to pick up which bowlers are on song and which aren't (Dernbach had his worst day as an ODI player but still bowled 5 overs). England did take some very good catches and India didn't really kick on from their good start. England was always up with the rate and by the time Bell was out it was down to a run a ball. Unless they lost wickets, England were always going to win and 188-3 shows how easy it was. For India, Rahane batted well again, Raina hit out and Parthiv played a cameo. The bowling, though, doesn't measure up.

  • cenitin on September 7, 2011, 1:11 GMT

    @John Williams ,5wombats....I don't want to give any excuses..but it is surprising to see your comments after beating India A team..that's all Eng wants in ODI ..Eng played (batted) well and won it but even the biggest fan of eng and biggest critic of Indian team will agree this is Indian A or even B side. Only 3 player from world cup 11. Raina, Virat and Dhoni...I am not giving excuse for Ind loss....I am happy they are putting fight in every match... I am just telling this series should be a catwalk for Eng if they really wants to do well in ODI. ..This results are expected. Beore the series things (read team atleast for India) were different but now Eng is favourable to win this series. As a indian fan I would say keep trying hard India :)

  • puneet_usa on September 7, 2011, 1:06 GMT

    Did i missed Dhoni's comments in press confrence after this game or he never had 1 - its really discouraging when he tries to cover his defects by passing comments like "Well we have a young team and it take time to mature"..option 2" Well i felt we were 15-25 runs short"..option 3"The wicket really eased out in the second innings"..option 4"this tour has been really injury prone to our players and we have been trying hard to get the younger troops together"...option 5"You know when we were doing good, all flaws disappear but when we are going through a bad patch, Media gets over critical"....Option 6"Lets look at the positives out of this tour- We have given chances to such raw talent against a top side"...Option 7"England at home in this form is going to be tough to beat for any opponent- We just happen to tour them at a wrong time"...Option 8"its a learning curve for th entire team, we can only improve from here on"- These are his 8 pet options to answer reporters- 9th OPTION-->OUT.

  • SanjivAwesome on September 7, 2011, 1:05 GMT

    Another England win due to home ground advantage - they know how to play in aquariums.

  • BravoBravo on September 7, 2011, 1:02 GMT

    So IND, the WC2011 CHAMPIONS slipped to #4 position in ODI ICC ranking. They were blessed in a way that first ODI was abandoned, most likely they would have lost it. They may not be eligible keeper of ODI Champions trophy. Seems like they can't win even T20 games. Then why to blame IPL for their recent fiasco in tests aaginst ENG. Go ENG!!!

  • Jaggadaaku on September 7, 2011, 1:02 GMT

    Dhoni is stupid as a captain, dull as a wicket-keeper, brainless as a team selector, ineffective as a batsman. Everybody in Indian team, making runs, but not him. I don't know what Srikanth and his stupid team of selectors thinking. India could have draw the Test series with England because India have so-called one of the strongest batting line-up. Dhoni, the village boy doesn't know how to set the fielding. Until this series, his luck was giving him winning caps, but in this series, his in-aggressive attitude and inability as a captain exposed. I would be shocked if I see anyone go to him and ask for his autograph. Taking donkey's and goat's autograph would be greater than this shameless moron who told his team to be calm after losing the test series with whitewash. Dravid is in great form but in test. He was dropped from ODIs 2 years ago for his slow batting. But South Indian Srikanth again gave south-indian a chance to come back in ODI and T20. What a moron! What he was thinking?

  • fifth_innings on September 7, 2011, 1:02 GMT

    To all the Indian detractors, remember the night of April 3rd when these guys won us the World Cup. To all the non-Indian fans writing all this nonsense, a few facts for you guys: 1. In the history of english cricket team, they HAVE NEVER EVER WON A world cup. 2. India has done it twice, once outside the subcontinent. 3. India went to the finals in 2003 and lost, in ENGLAND, not in India. 4. In last 12 years ENGLAND have never made it to the finals. PERIOD.

  • lokphy on September 7, 2011, 0:47 GMT

    @5wombats... I think you should wait for the remaining matches before getting too much excited... I believe that this team will definitely come back winning at least two matches... and may be all three ..

  • lokphy on September 7, 2011, 0:47 GMT

    @5wombats... I think you should wait for the remaining matches before getting too much excited... I believe that this team will definitely come back winning at least two matches... and may be all three ..

  • on September 7, 2011, 0:44 GMT

    doesen't matter india......strengthen ur bowling....dat's enough....187 in 23 overs is quite a gud score...d bowlers shud have done much btr.....

  • cooljack_143 on September 7, 2011, 0:42 GMT

    Time to bring Aoron into attack and see how it works out.Why dont India try and keep faith in youngsters.Enough of Vinay Kumar.He is a waste can neither bowl nor bat.Brin Aoron into the side and also replace Ashwin with Mishra.Its not fun to watch Ashwin being hit in every match.This only demoralizes the bowler.Come on MS whats wrong with you????

  • sohaibahmad on September 7, 2011, 0:35 GMT

    Well good news for India, Zimbabwe are back as test playing nation and Bangladesh not doing well... lets make an about turn and invite them over for 5 test series....

  • on September 7, 2011, 0:31 GMT

    India's bowling is now so feckless & fifth-rate it's beyond satire. No doubt we'll hear the usual tiresome bleating from Indian fans about their 'front-line' bowlers being injured, but would a chronically overweight 'strike' bowler in his mid-30s with a Test bowling average of almost 32 (Zaheer) & a spinner (Harbhajan) who's forgotten how to actually spin the ball for the last five years have made any difference whatsoever? No. India's bowling attack is now on a par with Bangladesh's & Zimbabwe's.

  • lokphy on September 7, 2011, 0:24 GMT

    I have no clue what Indian can do to win in England.. one thing for sure is Dhoni not being able to play as he used to... I think they could have made 10-20 more runs in last overs... which they couldn't... they need one more player after Raina in the batting line-up (some one like Yuvraj or Yusuf or Irfan or old Dhoni).... and as usual good line length bowler (Praveen was not good today at the start)

  • TexasCricket on September 7, 2011, 0:24 GMT

    No more Excuses. A team with less talent lost. Indian selectors need to man up and make changes based on performance and potential.No spots should be guaranteed especially all those who did not actually did not feature in this thrashing and should be considered ONLY if they perform domestically well better.( Harbhajan, Zaheer, Yuvraj, Sewhag, Sachin,Gambhir.....) Nurture players with a potential for next WC.. past is good but not good for future...

  • on September 7, 2011, 0:18 GMT

    What was it that all the India fans were saying before this game? I can't remember. Something about beating England or something...

  • NRI- on September 7, 2011, 0:15 GMT

    Ramesh, nature helped England on the last ODI. Dear John Williams, this wasn't an ODI - it was a 20-20 or a 23-23. India was very unlucky to have rain interrupt the first ODI which they would have most likely won. This was a close match and the failure of Tiwary & Dhoni contributed to the NARROW loss. Patel can keep wickets and Dhoni, Tiwary can be replaced by the Pathan brothers - why are they not sent there? Rahane is virtually a young Tendulkar - India better take him for tests now!!!!.

  • yamin101 on September 7, 2011, 0:10 GMT

    World cricket may be ashamed having such kinda "champions"

  • on September 7, 2011, 0:06 GMT

    The Pathan brothers would have proved a handful in these conditiones! I guess they are out of favor these days.

  • BnH1985Fan on September 7, 2011, 0:06 GMT

    @ India fans. One thing is SURE .. India will NOT lose the ODI series 0-5. No way .. but only because the first match was abandoned :)

  • HolafromCanada on September 7, 2011, 0:05 GMT

    HAHHAHAHHHAHAHHHH

    Remind me again how they become a WC. Unfreakinbelievable

  • johnathonjosephs on September 6, 2011, 23:59 GMT

    India had this game after that powerful batting in hard conditions. But the overrated Captain, MS Dhoni, killed it in the first 5 overs. Never in my life have I seen a field setting this absurd (albeit it WAS kinda a T20 match). The 2 fielders allowed outside the circle were concentrated in the deep midwicket area about 10-15 yards apart, leaving the batsman (Cook and Kieswatter) to play shots in EVERY OTHER DIRECTION. Even if they mishit it, nobody would be there. The typical configuration is one straight down pitch at long on and one at midwicket, or even one at Deep Square Leg, but 10-15 yards apart? Even if somebody skied the ball, he could probably run that distance in the time the ball came down. After that, the batsman coasted. Even the commentators (Ganguly/Bhogle/and Gavaskar included were talking about what Dhoni should do (mind you not criticizing him though)).

  • on September 6, 2011, 23:58 GMT

    Well played England, though it's amusing to see English fans crowing over beating an Indian team without 7 of their main players. Oh yeah right England, you're the "best team in the world" because you beat India 'A'.

  • BigDataIsAHoax on September 6, 2011, 23:57 GMT

    Oh James Morley. Look who is talking? How many test match series or even test matches has England won in India? And who lost to IRELAND and BANGLADESH in the world cup? Stop Barking just cos you have beaten a 3rd grade indian team without 80% of its crux!! U just come to India. I can't wait. We will drill you guys.

  • on September 6, 2011, 23:47 GMT

    after having soo soo many injuries, england is facing a team D india, not the world cup team india!

  • on September 6, 2011, 23:45 GMT

    inida should cut their losses and run home lol

  • SDHM on September 6, 2011, 23:41 GMT

    When's poor Ben Stokes going to get to bat?!

  • RandyOZ on September 6, 2011, 23:41 GMT

    India are absolutely listless. Good to see England unearthing more imports in Dernbach, Kieswetter and Stokes! Maybe a pom will play one day!

  • yorkshirematt on September 6, 2011, 23:35 GMT

    @5wombats Unfortunately it won't. We go there next month fot yet more ODIs. We'll have the Indians saying we can't win over there.

  • on September 6, 2011, 23:25 GMT

    @BullayBaaz the minimum of 20 over rule in ODI was started about 7 years ago, perhaps you are not following cricket that regularly.

  • Rahulbose on September 6, 2011, 23:24 GMT

    Wow! IPL host nation can't win in T20 either. State of affairs in Indian cricket: Duvidha mein dono gaye, maya mili na Ram.

  • on September 6, 2011, 23:24 GMT

    Stuart Law was right: England is the best team in the world.

  • BravoBravo on September 6, 2011, 23:23 GMT

    Good win by ENG. IND can't even win T20, this ODI was barely a T20. Then why to blame IPL for the humiliating defeat in Tests. I wonder how IND won WC2011, probably because they were playing on home grounds. Good luck IND for the 3rd ODI unless rain abandons that like first ODI.

  • bul98 on September 6, 2011, 23:20 GMT

    Indian Players, Fans & BCCI despretly waiting for Chamions league or IPL so that one of the Indian team can WIN and evry one would be happy again..Indian team is a laughing material. Soon Bangladesh and Zimbabwe will ask ICC (real ICC not Indian CC) not have India in there next 10yr FTP program. What goes around comes around and it will happen one day for sure!!

  • on September 6, 2011, 23:20 GMT

    For all of you gloating and writing off India I would not be too hasty. This is almost a C team many of whom are playing in English conditions for the first time. I wonder what the results would have been even with the help of Erasmus had India had a full strength and fit side which would have been Shewag, Gambhir, Dravid , Tendulkar, Laxman, Rahane (Kholi), Dhoni, Harbajan, Zaheer,PK, and Ishant in the tests and with Yuvraj and Raina coming in for Dravid and Laxman in the ODIs . I think the results may have been different. I wonder how England would have fared in India with six or seven of the first team missing. Having said that the BCCI and the senior players who played in the IPL carrying injuries should hang their head in shame.

  • on September 6, 2011, 23:19 GMT

    And England even manages to beat India without KP, Trott and Morgan. Seriously, i am shocked. 188 should have been defended !!

  • TRAM on September 6, 2011, 23:19 GMT

    Why there is no talk about Parthiv's "edge" not showing anything in the hotspot?? Was he really out or what? The slow motions didn't show anything as well. Yes there was sound. But it could have been the bat hitting the pad. Watch the replays please. If it had been Tendulkar or Dravid there would be a paragraph allocated for that. the way Parthiv was going he could have made India reach 200.

  • Cpt.Meanster on September 6, 2011, 23:17 GMT

    Indian batting put India in a position to win, the bowling lost it from there. Aren't the BCCI going to take any notice ? oh they have decided to 'meet' after the tour. I hope some sanity prevails in whatever they discuss. Most importantly, India's bowling fallacy was eventually going to be exposed. When a guy like Alastair cook is smashing the ball, you gotta know something is VERY wrong with India's bowlers. A lot of work has to be done with the Indian bowling department if they are to at least maintain their supremacy in one day internationals. Last but not least, the fielding should also be top notch. This tour is a nightmare. They have to get it out of their systems quickly. Why not throw the NatWest Trophy on England's face and walk away ? just a suggestion !

  • on September 6, 2011, 23:15 GMT

    has any team faced so much humiliation after being world champions?

  • Rakim on September 6, 2011, 23:11 GMT

    Great job by English batsmen, they dominated Indians from 1st delivery. Indian bowling is a shame... still can't believe they are not letting play that Varun Aaron guy.

  • on September 6, 2011, 23:09 GMT

    The sudden longing for Yusuf Pathan is nothing but clutching at straws. Have we already forgotten his performance in the World Cup? He was worse than useless. And that was on Indian pitches! He would only have added to our already long line of walking wickets on this tour.

  • Cpt.Meanster on September 6, 2011, 23:07 GMT

    @Swombats: You are no different than the Indian fans who hype up team India. England played well but remember these defeats will only make India stronger in the future. @James Morley: England are playing at home NOW aren't they ? hence their victories ! let's wait another few months and see what becomes of them in Asia. Get ready to for some retaliatory words then.

  • mohsin9975 on September 6, 2011, 23:06 GMT

    One word comes to mind seeing our bowling- BUFFET. Come one come all. Batsmen or non-batsmen. Come test our excellent hospitality with fantastic support from our captain nd fielders. Take 2s 4s nd 6s at will.Score 50s 100s 200s even 300s at will. Noone will be resisted. Dont worry batsmen. Strict penalty is imposed if any bowler tries a quick bouncer, slow bouncer, yorkers or any special variation. So invitees are welcome to enhance ur batting avg as much as u want.Foreign guests including bgldesh nd zimbabwe, even the less celebrated ireland,scotland nd afghanistan r invited. All chamara silvas, kapugedaras, shoaib maliks, boparas strausss c whites steve smiths haddins can contact india nd play a series against them aoywhere nd get back to form. Jokes apart, real disgusting nd toothless bowling performance. How many times shd i comment that vinay kumar is useless at international arena?

  • Pritt32 on September 6, 2011, 23:02 GMT

    India's bowling attack is an absolute shambles. Even if India score a big target, England can still chase the target with ease as proved today. I hope in the next few days India work very hard on their bowling and fielding, as it needs significant improvements, otherwise they are real danger of losing the series by a big margin. It is unfair they are missing their key bowlers, but at least make the effort of bowling much better than this pathetic display. England cruised to victory, but India is their worst own enemies as today performance proves. I will not fault their batting, as it clicked, but the bowling now becoming a major concern and need to hire a bowling coach to fully address the weakness as it cannot no longer go on as it is too frustating for Indian fans to watch.

  • on September 6, 2011, 22:58 GMT

    DHONI AN TEAM COME BACK INDIA AS SOON AS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT WIN SINGLE MATCH IN ENGLAND.THIS TIME WE ARE ALSO LOOSE THE SERIES 4-0.PLZ CAME BACK INDIA.WE REQUESTED DHONI AN COMPAMY.MD ATIF RAHMAN

  • longlivecricket on September 6, 2011, 22:58 GMT

    IPL gurus failed in their favourite money making format. Time for Munni and Sheila to take over.

  • Dalajit on September 6, 2011, 22:57 GMT

    One more game gone!!! What is happening to Indian Team..now not even One day match???Still Dhoni is saying a BIT improvement is required in Bowling Dept...shame on you...how many excuses you have in your mind. Wake up, just like Rahane, try some new blood in bowling dept who is more focus and eager to perform. Munaf is a waste..I really don't understand why Dhoni is not playing his natural style since a long time now. He was a excellent batsman few couple of years back and also standing as best in ICC ranking but suddenly he changed his way of batting and playing more defensive than attacking. Somebody should from team management tell him about this and he should play his natural style. His position at all format is very important for India but he is not contributing except World Cup final. He is in the team only becoz of his captaincy at the moment. Just take the example of last match where India only scored about 60+ runs from their last 10 overs while Dhoni & Raina was on the crease

  • BobcatCatbob on September 6, 2011, 22:56 GMT

    Good win for England... especially with a passenger in the side (Stokes) and a bowler who's on borrowed time (Dernbach). Anyone who thinks either of them are, or ever will be, international class need their head read. I really hope England don't try to go down this route again, as the two aforementioned players are simply modern day versions of Sajid Mahmood, Ronniie Irani & Rikki Clarke. At least neither of them are Luke Wright though!

  • 5wombats on September 6, 2011, 22:49 GMT

    So - India, you got thrashed again. No amount of trolling, boasting, history and garbage saved you. Just 3 matches left now and it will go quiet after that. I can't wait.

  • criclover999 on September 6, 2011, 22:49 GMT

    Can srikanth please answer what wrong has Yusuf pathan done ? did he refuse to give a share in marketing deals to BCCI ?

  • RameshRayaprolu on September 6, 2011, 22:47 GMT

    Even Nature could not help India this time...I can surely fore see the third and final series white-wash for India towards the end of this tour...coming up in the next ten days ! Only hope for India to reduce the number of losses is the Rain god....!!! Hard luck India....

  • on September 6, 2011, 22:47 GMT

    LOL at India. Great team when playing in India on there home pitches and home conditions, absolutely GARBAGE when playing away from home.

  • agam99 on September 6, 2011, 22:45 GMT

    Batting performed well as expected. Bowling didn't performed well again as expected. Rahane, what a talent he is. Keep trying hard India :)

  • demon_bowler on September 6, 2011, 22:45 GMT

    That was a ruthless display by England. India batted well and made a challenging total, but England never looked in any trouble. Cook's one-day batting continues to be a revelation. One day we may even get to see Stokes in action...

  • Silverbails on September 6, 2011, 22:43 GMT

    What a joke this Indian team is becoming!! As I have said before on this sad and rather disappointing tour, so far, are they actually going to win ANY international match?? Doesn't look like it. Clearly, their Karma isn't with them, but surely they can get the right combination - bowlers are CLEARLY the order of the day in England and NOT batsmen. Why play 7 batters and ONLY 4 bowlers. Surely, a 6 - 5 is THE best combination in English conditions. Looking increasingly like a 4 - 0 thrashing by England AGAIN in the ODI series, as well!! How on earth can they come back from this worst - ever series?!?! Sad to see the demise of Indian cricket, in ALL its forms. India simply DOESN'T seem to PERFORM overseas, unlike any other side in the World...

  • CricketChat on September 6, 2011, 22:41 GMT

    No point in beating a dead snake, will stay out of this Ind tour (or whatever is remaining). This tour is done and dusted for Ind. They must make sweeping changes across the board or else they will meet the same fate in future against strong teams like, SA, Aus, SL, Eng.

  • on September 6, 2011, 22:40 GMT

    Just how satisfying is this victory after reading all the Indian fans writing off England in ODIs?

  • BullayBaaz on September 6, 2011, 22:37 GMT

    In this loss at least we can take some solace. Without front line bowlers, that too in English conditions, it is going to be difficult to win.

    Another reminder of the fact Indian players play too much in the sub-continent and aren't used to cooler climes.

    I wasn under the impression that an official one day international had to have a minimum of 25 overs per side. Has this rule changed?

  • on September 6, 2011, 22:36 GMT

    India's poor performance continue, they need a better bowler. Hopefully India can win at least 1 game before they go back !

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  • on September 6, 2011, 22:36 GMT

    India's poor performance continue, they need a better bowler. Hopefully India can win at least 1 game before they go back !

  • BullayBaaz on September 6, 2011, 22:37 GMT

    In this loss at least we can take some solace. Without front line bowlers, that too in English conditions, it is going to be difficult to win.

    Another reminder of the fact Indian players play too much in the sub-continent and aren't used to cooler climes.

    I wasn under the impression that an official one day international had to have a minimum of 25 overs per side. Has this rule changed?

  • on September 6, 2011, 22:40 GMT

    Just how satisfying is this victory after reading all the Indian fans writing off England in ODIs?

  • CricketChat on September 6, 2011, 22:41 GMT

    No point in beating a dead snake, will stay out of this Ind tour (or whatever is remaining). This tour is done and dusted for Ind. They must make sweeping changes across the board or else they will meet the same fate in future against strong teams like, SA, Aus, SL, Eng.

  • Silverbails on September 6, 2011, 22:43 GMT

    What a joke this Indian team is becoming!! As I have said before on this sad and rather disappointing tour, so far, are they actually going to win ANY international match?? Doesn't look like it. Clearly, their Karma isn't with them, but surely they can get the right combination - bowlers are CLEARLY the order of the day in England and NOT batsmen. Why play 7 batters and ONLY 4 bowlers. Surely, a 6 - 5 is THE best combination in English conditions. Looking increasingly like a 4 - 0 thrashing by England AGAIN in the ODI series, as well!! How on earth can they come back from this worst - ever series?!?! Sad to see the demise of Indian cricket, in ALL its forms. India simply DOESN'T seem to PERFORM overseas, unlike any other side in the World...

  • demon_bowler on September 6, 2011, 22:45 GMT

    That was a ruthless display by England. India batted well and made a challenging total, but England never looked in any trouble. Cook's one-day batting continues to be a revelation. One day we may even get to see Stokes in action...

  • agam99 on September 6, 2011, 22:45 GMT

    Batting performed well as expected. Bowling didn't performed well again as expected. Rahane, what a talent he is. Keep trying hard India :)

  • on September 6, 2011, 22:47 GMT

    LOL at India. Great team when playing in India on there home pitches and home conditions, absolutely GARBAGE when playing away from home.

  • RameshRayaprolu on September 6, 2011, 22:47 GMT

    Even Nature could not help India this time...I can surely fore see the third and final series white-wash for India towards the end of this tour...coming up in the next ten days ! Only hope for India to reduce the number of losses is the Rain god....!!! Hard luck India....

  • criclover999 on September 6, 2011, 22:49 GMT

    Can srikanth please answer what wrong has Yusuf pathan done ? did he refuse to give a share in marketing deals to BCCI ?