India in England 2014 August 7, 2014

Message sent is it's okay to abuse - Dravid

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Dravid: Some punishments needed to be handed out

Rahul Dravid, the former India captain, is concerned about the message sent out by the 'not guilty' verdict in the James Anderson-Ravindra Jadeja pushing case. While there have been calls for the matter to be put to rest, Dravid said abuse, evidence of which was in umpire Bruce Oxenford's report, had no place in the sport and that some reprimand had to be meted out.

"The message we've given out at the moment, the game has given out, is that it's okay to do this stuff [abuse], which I think is wrong. I think there needed to be some sort of action taken," Dravid told ESPNcricinfo. "Some punishments needed to be handed out.

"We all know from Bruce Oxenford's report what Jimmy [Anderson] has said, the words that he's used. That is on the report and no one is denying the fact that there was that kind of abuse and England is claiming that Jadeja turned and so we must bring that into the equation as well, but at the end of all of this, we have seen no punishments handed out."

The dispute had happened as players left for lunch during the second day of the Trent Bridge Test and has hung over the series since. India had charged Anderson with a Level 3 offence for pushing Jadeja but England had filed a Level 2 charge against Jadeja arguing that he had allegedly wheeled around aggressively prompting Anderson to act in self-defence. However, with no video evidence and with testimony from both sides being "hopelessly biased" judicial commissioner Gordon Lewis' decision had let both players off. India had pushed for an appeal, but the ICC has sealed the matter shut with their decision to not appeal.

Anderson might function better when he is riled up, Dravid said, but he might have forgotten when to stop. That escalation prompted Dravid to highlight the difference between sledging - which he said was acceptable - and a personal attack, which should be eradicated.

"He [Anderson] is someone who, and I think he's spoken about it that 'I need to get motivated by being aggressive'... But the problem is at times I think he has overstepped the line, he has gone over the mark. Whether it was in this case or not we will actually never know.

"You don't mind the odd sledging. People are getting confused about the difference between sledging and actual what is abuse here. And people have said 'oh lets move on' or 'lets walk away from this' but I think we can move on from sledging. We've been there, we've all played cricket games where you walk in and somebody uses the odd expletive when you get beaten and says 'any chance of you nicking one', you know ' your feet are stuck in cement' stuff like that. You could go on and on about stuff like that, I'm sure that's fine.

"But when you walk off the field abusing someone and making it personal, then I think that's the danger when you do cross that line and things can happen where you get physical. So you've got to be very careful when you cross that line, and sort of stay within what is acceptable behaviour."

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  • POSTED BY RohanMarkJay on | August 10, 2014, 7:10 GMT

    Very well Said Dravid. I agree 100 percent. I'm a big fan of Indian cricketers as they play the game or try to in the right spirit. Dravid is a great example of this. Anyway best of luck to Indian cricket team in their future matches. All the best.:)

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | August 8, 2014, 8:57 GMT

    This is a perfect message from the gentlest of the cricketers.

  • POSTED BY on | August 8, 2014, 6:50 GMT

    A right message sent out by gentleman Dravid to save the gentleman's game...

  • POSTED BY on | August 8, 2014, 6:33 GMT

    Great ....should respect Dravid (a true gentleman) views on how to play the 'gentleman's game'

  • POSTED BY handlingtheball on | August 8, 2014, 6:13 GMT

    I think Dravid has a valid point but once again it just seems as though India are the only team that is hard done by. I've got no doubt what so ever every team sledges I remember Kohli & Ashwin being warned for "mouthing off" just like nearly every player has.

  • POSTED BY nmen on | August 8, 2014, 5:14 GMT

    Hush up for a change and concentrate on what you are supposed to do-that is help Indian batsmen perform better in England!

  • POSTED BY sunpune on | August 8, 2014, 4:30 GMT

    Completely agree with Dravid.

  • POSTED BY on | August 8, 2014, 4:27 GMT

    I do not agree with the view that sledging is okay.So far all the shouting and talking is done by the fielders.Day is not far off when batsmen start shouting to the bowlers to bowl a wide . To extend it further,those in the pavilion from the batting side vociferously will heckle a particular bowler or fielder.It will no longer be a gentleman's game,unless cricketers realise they have to play only cricket,bat,bowl and field,and not utter a single word during the game.High time errant cricketers get redcarded

  • POSTED BY cktspirit on | August 8, 2014, 4:25 GMT

    Very sensible and thoughtful comments from Rahul as usual. Some of the cricketers turned administrators and ICC power mongers seemed to ignore the consequences of the verdict.

    I hope better sense prevails and the governing body chalks of stricter rules and regulation to make cricket a gentleman's game again.

  • POSTED BY on | August 8, 2014, 1:01 GMT

    This was very eloquently put by Rahul, and I couldn't agree more.

  • POSTED BY RohanMarkJay on | August 10, 2014, 7:10 GMT

    Very well Said Dravid. I agree 100 percent. I'm a big fan of Indian cricketers as they play the game or try to in the right spirit. Dravid is a great example of this. Anyway best of luck to Indian cricket team in their future matches. All the best.:)

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | August 8, 2014, 8:57 GMT

    This is a perfect message from the gentlest of the cricketers.

  • POSTED BY on | August 8, 2014, 6:50 GMT

    A right message sent out by gentleman Dravid to save the gentleman's game...

  • POSTED BY on | August 8, 2014, 6:33 GMT

    Great ....should respect Dravid (a true gentleman) views on how to play the 'gentleman's game'

  • POSTED BY handlingtheball on | August 8, 2014, 6:13 GMT

    I think Dravid has a valid point but once again it just seems as though India are the only team that is hard done by. I've got no doubt what so ever every team sledges I remember Kohli & Ashwin being warned for "mouthing off" just like nearly every player has.

  • POSTED BY nmen on | August 8, 2014, 5:14 GMT

    Hush up for a change and concentrate on what you are supposed to do-that is help Indian batsmen perform better in England!

  • POSTED BY sunpune on | August 8, 2014, 4:30 GMT

    Completely agree with Dravid.

  • POSTED BY on | August 8, 2014, 4:27 GMT

    I do not agree with the view that sledging is okay.So far all the shouting and talking is done by the fielders.Day is not far off when batsmen start shouting to the bowlers to bowl a wide . To extend it further,those in the pavilion from the batting side vociferously will heckle a particular bowler or fielder.It will no longer be a gentleman's game,unless cricketers realise they have to play only cricket,bat,bowl and field,and not utter a single word during the game.High time errant cricketers get redcarded

  • POSTED BY cktspirit on | August 8, 2014, 4:25 GMT

    Very sensible and thoughtful comments from Rahul as usual. Some of the cricketers turned administrators and ICC power mongers seemed to ignore the consequences of the verdict.

    I hope better sense prevails and the governing body chalks of stricter rules and regulation to make cricket a gentleman's game again.

  • POSTED BY on | August 8, 2014, 1:01 GMT

    This was very eloquently put by Rahul, and I couldn't agree more.

  • POSTED BY on | August 7, 2014, 20:22 GMT

    Having now read what Anderson actually said, regardless of cricket, it is disgusting behaviour and anyone who says those kinds of things to anybody else in any context does not deserve any respect whatsoever. I've now completely lost respect for Anderson. Get aggressive when you're bowling, not when you're walking off the pitch. Don't try to make ridiculous excuses for your pathetic outburst.

  • POSTED BY SanjivAwesome on | August 7, 2014, 20:09 GMT

    But Rahul, the England coach and captain disagree with you, supporting the alternative view. Going forward, abuse is okay, so long it is defended on the basis of "aggressiveness" as a player transforms from Banner to Hulk.

  • POSTED BY on | August 7, 2014, 19:51 GMT

    No, abuse is fine, its a part of the game. If you are mentally weak that will show out on the field. Indians need to grow a thick skin.Where was this outrage when Harbajhan was abusing Symonds or the timeless amount of times Sreesanth harassed other players?? You can not have a double standard.

  • POSTED BY ToTellUTheTruth on | August 7, 2014, 19:48 GMT

    Simple. Let players go free for using their bats and other equipment on the abusers off the ground. Let it happen just once, and let's see how fast this "sledging" stops. I regret the day when one Mr. Miandad became civil in the last possible split second. If that action was complete, there would not have been any of the so-called "chirping/sledge/abuse".

  • POSTED BY on | August 7, 2014, 19:47 GMT

    Oh yes some day some one is gonna go too far and some one is going to be hurt.....as long as there is no evidence .....one can get away with murder

  • POSTED BY on | August 7, 2014, 19:44 GMT

    Jadeja, Ishant and Kohli are far too volatile for their own benefit. On the flip side, one has to look at Sachin Tendulkar, MS Dhoni and Rahul Dravid. They have let their performances do the talking. There is a difference between playing with passion and losing control of one's emotions. This is not to say that Anderson is an angel; only that the higher the competition, the worse it gets. Not only in cricket.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 7, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    truly said by the original gentleman of any sports

  • POSTED BY Alexk400 on | August 7, 2014, 19:04 GMT

    I think abuse should be stopped in the field by umpire. I do not think it should be handled by third umpire like headmaster in school. :)

    Its ICC's fault. People misuse funny banter into vitriolic abuse like vengence. These kinda mad abuse should not be allowed to happen. Cursing your mom , girl friend or anything personal in nature to make you commit a mistake. if you allow it will lead to physical altercation and it will get ugly. Time to stop this nonsense. Play with cricket abilities not with mouth

  • POSTED BY nade123 on | August 7, 2014, 18:14 GMT

    When one of the most gentlemanly athlete of all times says that, we have to agree. I hope ICC will too.

  • POSTED BY Lotr3 on | August 7, 2014, 17:55 GMT

    Not any less expected from someone like Rahul Dravid. It is not going to do much as those who get by using these tactics don't know how to do otherwise, hoping that Ind continue to focus on playing fair regardless of the results.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 7, 2014, 17:45 GMT

    Rahul could not have put it better. I was totally flummoxed by the leniency umpires & referees showed during the recent Ashes. There were a number of serious violations brushed under the carpet. Is this becoming a yardstick now? And I'm saddened by the way English media celebrating the verdict as a victory.

  • POSTED BY on | August 7, 2014, 16:59 GMT

    Well said, Rahul, I totally agree with you. The captains and the coaches (in this instance most importantly Cook and Moores) need to be pro-active here.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 7, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    If India's example is to be followed, Dhoni should be done for dissent.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 7, 2014, 16:49 GMT

    yeah , if only players could go back to tje good old days of lillee and thompson.

  • POSTED BY on | August 7, 2014, 15:06 GMT

    Totally agree with Rahul. Players have gotten the message that I believe is wrong.

  • POSTED BY on | August 7, 2014, 14:48 GMT

    Rahul Dravid leaves a legacy of fair play and courtesy on the field. Would that many other international players should follow his example. But this of course is the age of the 'professional'. No time for niceties. The game is so much the poorer. Why can't players act like adults?

  • POSTED BY Prats6 on | August 7, 2014, 13:59 GMT

    Well said Rahul. Spoken like only he can probably.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | August 7, 2014, 12:37 GMT

    Spoken like a true gent ... That's why the likes of Dravid... Sachin... And co are respected still .... Pointing... Broad .. Anderson will always be respected by there own but not the world

  • POSTED BY Romanticstud on | August 7, 2014, 12:34 GMT

    The ICC was incorrect in just putting the case to rest. Discipline is of utmost importance especially as a player and ambassador of a country. They play the game in front of an audience that includes young children, who look up to these players. If the message is that it is OK to abuse a player then you will find incidents at school games of similar nature. The message I want to give the ICC is that children imitate what they see and hear. When we grew up as children we wanted to be a Sobers or Gavaskar or one of the big names that was playing. In South Africa it was players like Clive Rice, Graeme Pollock, Vince van der Bijl or Mike Procter. Now imagine the English and Indian kids pushing each other and using foul language because they look up to Jadeja or Anderson. I reckon their needs to be a revision in the decision by the ICC to intervene and hand out just punishment to both players and stamp out the abuse and restore the gentleman's game.

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  • POSTED BY Romanticstud on | August 7, 2014, 12:34 GMT

    The ICC was incorrect in just putting the case to rest. Discipline is of utmost importance especially as a player and ambassador of a country. They play the game in front of an audience that includes young children, who look up to these players. If the message is that it is OK to abuse a player then you will find incidents at school games of similar nature. The message I want to give the ICC is that children imitate what they see and hear. When we grew up as children we wanted to be a Sobers or Gavaskar or one of the big names that was playing. In South Africa it was players like Clive Rice, Graeme Pollock, Vince van der Bijl or Mike Procter. Now imagine the English and Indian kids pushing each other and using foul language because they look up to Jadeja or Anderson. I reckon their needs to be a revision in the decision by the ICC to intervene and hand out just punishment to both players and stamp out the abuse and restore the gentleman's game.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | August 7, 2014, 12:37 GMT

    Spoken like a true gent ... That's why the likes of Dravid... Sachin... And co are respected still .... Pointing... Broad .. Anderson will always be respected by there own but not the world

  • POSTED BY Prats6 on | August 7, 2014, 13:59 GMT

    Well said Rahul. Spoken like only he can probably.

  • POSTED BY on | August 7, 2014, 14:48 GMT

    Rahul Dravid leaves a legacy of fair play and courtesy on the field. Would that many other international players should follow his example. But this of course is the age of the 'professional'. No time for niceties. The game is so much the poorer. Why can't players act like adults?

  • POSTED BY on | August 7, 2014, 15:06 GMT

    Totally agree with Rahul. Players have gotten the message that I believe is wrong.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 7, 2014, 16:49 GMT

    yeah , if only players could go back to tje good old days of lillee and thompson.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 7, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    If India's example is to be followed, Dhoni should be done for dissent.

  • POSTED BY on | August 7, 2014, 16:59 GMT

    Well said, Rahul, I totally agree with you. The captains and the coaches (in this instance most importantly Cook and Moores) need to be pro-active here.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 7, 2014, 17:45 GMT

    Rahul could not have put it better. I was totally flummoxed by the leniency umpires & referees showed during the recent Ashes. There were a number of serious violations brushed under the carpet. Is this becoming a yardstick now? And I'm saddened by the way English media celebrating the verdict as a victory.

  • POSTED BY Lotr3 on | August 7, 2014, 17:55 GMT

    Not any less expected from someone like Rahul Dravid. It is not going to do much as those who get by using these tactics don't know how to do otherwise, hoping that Ind continue to focus on playing fair regardless of the results.