England v India, 5th Investec Test, The Oval, 3rd day August 17, 2014

Dhoni quiet on future as Test captain

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'2011 is still lowest' - Dhoni

MS Dhoni has seen India lose 13 and win one of their last 17 overseas Tests. Yet it is impossible to get him to say or do something that is not practical in today's cricket. When he spoke about how his team was inexperienced - he had numbers of caps between the England players as opposed to India's to prove that - and how their batsmen hardly get to play in English conditions, he was asked if county cricket might help. Dhoni knew all the constraints that make it a stillborn idea.

"That's an interesting one because there are only a few players who can play that," Dhoni said. "The others will be busy with other cricket. If you see the calendar we play from January till December. Maybe our climate is such that it supports us playing cricket throughout the year, but definitely there will be a few players who will be playing Test cricket and if they have some time and if they get a good contract they can definitely come and play, especially batsmen. Unless you come and play over here it's very difficult to keep practising on the outside and think this will help. It's important to spend some time over here, and it will definitely help, and it has helped other players in the past, whether they are former West Indies, Australia or Indian cricketers. So definitely something we can look into but it will be difficult to fit it in."

When asked if some of the players, handpicked as India's Test future, could maybe give up the IPL and work on their Test game, Dhoni shot back: "Don't be jealous of the IPL." It says a lot that a man who hardly ever says an emotional thing in press conferences, no matter how dire the circumstance, loses a bit of control of his emotion when a finger is pointed at the IPL. Says a lot, not just about him but the whole Indian cricket system.

Other than that moment of indiscretion, Dhoni remained in control throughout a grilling, where he was asked if he might resign. "You'll have to wait and watch," he said.

Did he still have the mental strength to take this team forward? "You asked me the same question in 2011. You will have to wait and watch if I am strong enough or if I am not strong enough. You will get the news."

The batsmen obviously - and for a change - deserve a major share of the blame for the debacle. "It [the last day's surrender] is a reflection of the batting order that has not done well," Dhoni said. "Vijay has done well but right from the first Test we have not been able to get a good opening partnership. [Cheteshwar] Pujara was early to the middle because of that - in the third or fourth over itself. It kept exposing our No. 3 batsman, and Virat [Kohli] went through a lean patch.

"If you are playing with six batsmen including the keeper, it makes it a bit tough if you lose that many wickets upfront. When the lower order scored runs we made 300-plus totals and once they too got out cheaply then we struggled to put runs on the board. Yes, we are disappointed that we couldn't offer any fight in the last three Test matches. Hopefully, they will take positive out of this defeat and when they come back here - all of them are young and good enough to come back here - and do better."

Dhoni said it was more a mental issue. He is anyway resigned to the fact that there will never be enough time to work out technical issues. "The mental thing comes before the technical aspect," Dhoni said. "If you are getting out in a series like this, it becomes a bit difficult. That's the time you require a lot more mental strength than the technical aspect because changes can't be done or implemented in seven days time or ten days time. You can't do any major changes.

"You have to back yourselves with whatever faults you may be having. The mental strength to know that these are the areas that you may be vulnerable but let's push the bowlers into my areas and let the bowlers attack me. It always helps to know where the off stump is. It makes it easier to handle the fast bowlers, and it's easier to push them on stumps and tackle them better."

To give credit where it is due, Dhoni has shown in this series that mental strength can overcome technical glitches. He has been India's second-highest run-getter, and he has done it in his own unique manner. He revealed he has been working on his batting since November last year, trying to see if he can bat at No. 6, but only began to feel comfortable as a batsman in Manchester.

This is a rare series where the bowlers have done better than the batsmen, but they are far from desirable. It came through when Dhoni was asked if he as a captain has been able to implement the learnings he took from the two series whitewashes in England and in Australia in 2011 and 2012.

"The team has changed completely," Dhoni said. "Whatever strategies I have learned in the series I tried to implement in this series. As a skipper, when you try to manipulate the field you need to see the strengths of the fast bowlers. Our bowlers are different to English bowlers, who keep hitting the same areas. They might be a bit boring but once they get that chance they start attacking you. We have not put enough runs on the board, and you may have spent 30 or 40 minutes [batting] but when you look at the board there wouldn't be many runs.

"That's where we have faulted to some extent. We have not got that kind of bowlers who can bowl the channel, and that's because they may not get a long spell in subcontinent. They won't bowl too long with new ball and sometimes later with old ball when reversing. They don't bowl 22-23 overs, and the whole psyche is to go for wickets. I feel that mindset needs to be conditioned. Once you come to these conditions, you need to be consistent with line."

Dhoni still believes he can win an overseas series given the same bowlers. "The more these bowlers bowl, they will get better," Dhoni said. "And understand the conditions better and respect the fact that they can plan a batsman's dismissal. If they keep it tight from one end and create pressure and bowl in partnership, then even if they don't get the wickets, the other bowler might. Ishant has improved a lot at that. He keeps hitting the same areas and is patient with his line and length and he can attack also. Now, hopefully we don't have too many injuries to this set of bowlers, and the next time they turn around and bowl a better line."

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on August 20, 2014, 8:04 GMT

    Sack him.. The kind of defeat is intolerable to say the least..

  • sohanpandey578 on August 19, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    MSD you retire from Cricket. We have better players than you.

  • on August 19, 2014, 6:53 GMT

    stop pricking ,2011 dravid tendulkar laxman three biggies and we were humiliated 4/0 the same england bowlers were there .we have never ben good on out of the sub continent tours leave a few exceptions like 3/1 in n/z 1968 1/0 in w/i and eng in 1971/72 2/0 against eng in 1986and a few wins when dravidand dhoni as captains 1/0 against eng and w/i and 1/0 against n/z and w/i this is all to show we have never won a series in aus and s/a but drawn a few so just stop pulling dhonis leg and hope for positive outcomes in the future

  • on August 19, 2014, 6:13 GMT

    @glen1 : Hey,not really man.Players in past had access to education, same is the case with current lot. Even amongst the current players, there are very few who are so poor not to even be educated. As far as access to Cricket fields is considered 1. Srinath used to travel from Mysore to Bangalore for practice 2. Sehwag used to travel from Najafgarh to DDCA (2 hours each side) for practice with a Cricket kit standing all the way in bus 3. Kapil travelled bare foot for practice 4. Sachin used to take local to travel suburbs for practice with kit 5. Prasanna would swim the river for Cricket practice and so did Sunil Joshi Unlike now when lush green Cricket fields are available everywhere thanks to money poured into Cricket. These players do not need to go out of their village to get a top class Cricket ground now unlike players of past. There is no harm if modern players get paid bucket loads, not an issue at all. But making hopeless excuses and having attitude problems do not help.

  • on August 19, 2014, 5:07 GMT

    be patient cricket fans .....

  • glen1 on August 18, 2014, 20:16 GMT

    @Pradeep Gadepally: most of the players you mention hail from cities of Bangalore and Bombay. They come from stable middle class families with access to higher level education. They made their name when the playing fields were accessible, and the only form of cricket known was test cricket. This was the third wave following the first wave of the Nawabs, and the second wave of the well-known Parsi teams. We are now in the fourth wave, where only short form cricket is possible. Don't worry about what they are paid; they are paid by the public and adored as stars.

  • on August 18, 2014, 19:59 GMT

    No way they are going to replace Kohli and Pujara despite their failures in this series they are world class batsmen and both are rare talents currently right now in Indian Cricket

  • on August 18, 2014, 16:23 GMT

    It's enough. Young and inexperienced cannot be the excuse all the time when they don't have a mentality to play two innings with patience let alone 5 days. I wouldn't say sack all of 'em and definitely not MSD. Team needs him at these moments. The batsmen are solely to blame for this. Time to produce some seamy and bouncy wickets in India as simple as that. This will produce some good bowlers and give batsmen enough practice to face these conditions and work on their techniques!!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 18, 2014, 15:44 GMT

    Why should he be asked to resign? He should be sacked. Simple as that!

  • analyseabhishek on August 18, 2014, 14:59 GMT

    The reality is rather grim. Fromm 1971, we had had Gavaskar and the spin quartet for bowling. '78 onwards we had Kapil Dev. 1989 saw Sachin Tendulkar who stayed on the scene till 2011 (forget the last 2 years- it was only his shadow!). We also saw Kumble, Srinath, Harbhajan and Zaheer as bowlers. Now the cupboard of test players is completely bare. The great players are all limited over greats. They don't have the motivation, the time or the inclination towards test cricket, which they treat as a burden they carry due to their being Cricketers!

  • on August 20, 2014, 8:04 GMT

    Sack him.. The kind of defeat is intolerable to say the least..

  • sohanpandey578 on August 19, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    MSD you retire from Cricket. We have better players than you.

  • on August 19, 2014, 6:53 GMT

    stop pricking ,2011 dravid tendulkar laxman three biggies and we were humiliated 4/0 the same england bowlers were there .we have never ben good on out of the sub continent tours leave a few exceptions like 3/1 in n/z 1968 1/0 in w/i and eng in 1971/72 2/0 against eng in 1986and a few wins when dravidand dhoni as captains 1/0 against eng and w/i and 1/0 against n/z and w/i this is all to show we have never won a series in aus and s/a but drawn a few so just stop pulling dhonis leg and hope for positive outcomes in the future

  • on August 19, 2014, 6:13 GMT

    @glen1 : Hey,not really man.Players in past had access to education, same is the case with current lot. Even amongst the current players, there are very few who are so poor not to even be educated. As far as access to Cricket fields is considered 1. Srinath used to travel from Mysore to Bangalore for practice 2. Sehwag used to travel from Najafgarh to DDCA (2 hours each side) for practice with a Cricket kit standing all the way in bus 3. Kapil travelled bare foot for practice 4. Sachin used to take local to travel suburbs for practice with kit 5. Prasanna would swim the river for Cricket practice and so did Sunil Joshi Unlike now when lush green Cricket fields are available everywhere thanks to money poured into Cricket. These players do not need to go out of their village to get a top class Cricket ground now unlike players of past. There is no harm if modern players get paid bucket loads, not an issue at all. But making hopeless excuses and having attitude problems do not help.

  • on August 19, 2014, 5:07 GMT

    be patient cricket fans .....

  • glen1 on August 18, 2014, 20:16 GMT

    @Pradeep Gadepally: most of the players you mention hail from cities of Bangalore and Bombay. They come from stable middle class families with access to higher level education. They made their name when the playing fields were accessible, and the only form of cricket known was test cricket. This was the third wave following the first wave of the Nawabs, and the second wave of the well-known Parsi teams. We are now in the fourth wave, where only short form cricket is possible. Don't worry about what they are paid; they are paid by the public and adored as stars.

  • on August 18, 2014, 19:59 GMT

    No way they are going to replace Kohli and Pujara despite their failures in this series they are world class batsmen and both are rare talents currently right now in Indian Cricket

  • on August 18, 2014, 16:23 GMT

    It's enough. Young and inexperienced cannot be the excuse all the time when they don't have a mentality to play two innings with patience let alone 5 days. I wouldn't say sack all of 'em and definitely not MSD. Team needs him at these moments. The batsmen are solely to blame for this. Time to produce some seamy and bouncy wickets in India as simple as that. This will produce some good bowlers and give batsmen enough practice to face these conditions and work on their techniques!!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 18, 2014, 15:44 GMT

    Why should he be asked to resign? He should be sacked. Simple as that!

  • analyseabhishek on August 18, 2014, 14:59 GMT

    The reality is rather grim. Fromm 1971, we had had Gavaskar and the spin quartet for bowling. '78 onwards we had Kapil Dev. 1989 saw Sachin Tendulkar who stayed on the scene till 2011 (forget the last 2 years- it was only his shadow!). We also saw Kumble, Srinath, Harbhajan and Zaheer as bowlers. Now the cupboard of test players is completely bare. The great players are all limited over greats. They don't have the motivation, the time or the inclination towards test cricket, which they treat as a burden they carry due to their being Cricketers!

  • maddysachinhari on August 18, 2014, 14:47 GMT

    dravid, etc or even from foreign players. As of now, no one else except dhoni can handle the team and pressure. How can these inexperienced players take captainship when they doesnt hv temperament to play test cricket. To be frank, only dhoni and murali vijay has showed some sort of temperament in this series. So instead of searching for a new captain pls search good test players like sachin, dravid, lara, ponting etc,.... And guys pls stop blaming dhoni for everything. I hv seen many comments here which are just blaming dhoni as if he is only not performing. He has more work like keeping, batting, handling team pressure, but he is doing better compared to others. pls pls stop blaming only him and no one else can handle the pressure like him as of now.

  • maddysachinhari on August 18, 2014, 14:42 GMT

    guys, pls stop these. how can u guys blame dhoni. I am not asking this as am a fan of him. Compared to before, dhoni is doing better in test cricket as a batsman though not great, but compared to good players in top order, he showed better temperament. He is trying to crct his mistakes. Even other players like gambhir, kohli, dhawan, rohit, rahane, pujara has to work on their mistakes and take responsibilities. ppl r talking abt ganguly a gr8 captain. Yes, cos he had masters with him in batting and bowling. With completely inexperienced team, what can dhoni do if they dnt take responsibilties and realize their mistakes. pls stop blaming dhoni. Now the Indian team is not a good team for test cricket, no one has better temperament to stand a whole day, not even half day outside sub continent. changing captain will never resolve this. They hv to search for better test players or the players who r playing currently need to take responsibilities and take some training sessions with sachin

  • ramlax1981 on August 18, 2014, 13:50 GMT

    well said @sray23: you guys won't be able to perform well outside of subcontinent (ei doubt now even in subcontinent) based on the your Ranji/ Duleep trophy performances. BCCI should prepare for tests by sending suitable players to play in different conditions outside of subcontinent. The truth is there is no extraordinary cricketers in india now.

  • on August 18, 2014, 13:15 GMT

    It is right time to drop devan,kholi,gambhir,binny and jedeja from test team and make rohit as captain. the team should consist of aparajith, karun nair, rahul, kedar jehdev saha and good domesti performer. Kholi dewan are taking it for granted and kholi is indiscipline fellow should be dropped for some time and with firm warning

  • CricketChat on August 18, 2014, 12:54 GMT

    Dhoni should quit tests altogether, not just captaincy and concentrate only short formats. His wkt keeping in this series, as already pointed out many times, has been below international standard. Ind needs a decent wkt keeper in tests as well. Hopefully, someone completely new in the 18-22 years range that can be groomed for next 7-8 yrs (no Karthik, Saha or other tried & failed players).

  • Dysan25 on August 18, 2014, 12:42 GMT

    I think the Indian Team got carried away after the Lords Victory. I do hope the youngsters can atleast 'draw' some Test matches rather than going for the win and losing in the process. The performance in 2011 seems much better now.

  • Absolutelycricket on August 18, 2014, 12:30 GMT

    Indias failures are Dhavan, Kohli, Gambhir , shami and to some extent pujara other players have contributed what they can , these players should be replaced by N Ojha, samson, U yadav , V zol , U chand. if they are not replaced before test against WI then they will be back in form in India and will go ahead to AUS and again same old story AUS 5-0 with at least 4 inns defeat

  • on August 18, 2014, 12:23 GMT

    it was an abject performance, but people are going overboard with few of their criticisms. Dravid I remember had a wretched tour of Australia in 1999 after he was given tremendous hype after he topped the batting charts In 1999 world cup.sometimes good bowlers like mcrath,anderson, can get on top of you during a series and you cannot do anything other than admire the bowlers skill. actually India should have known better than to rile up anderson and co and people like ravi shastri must not be allowed to commentate for these matches. he behaves like a team India spokesperson rather than a neutral commentator. we all know this is an inexperienced side you don't have to keep providing that as am excuse.

  • VillageBlacksmith on August 18, 2014, 12:03 GMT

    Dropping Dhoni, the only batsman to show any spine whatsoever, would be madness… Without Dhoni India will be lucky to get to 50, let alone 100…

  • on August 18, 2014, 11:45 GMT

    Giving too long rope to someone is also a problem. How many times we have seen that a player has been sacked for sometime and he has come back very strongly. Kohli, Pujara, Rohit, Dhawan....they all should be given break one by one from International cricket for sometime and forced to play county cricket to hone their skills. They are young and they still have a lot of cricket left in them. Bring someone back in the team on the back of some solid performance. Gambhir was included in the team without any thing to show for. If the team needed a back-up opener, they already had in Rahane. I have said it before, Rahane should be tried as opening batsman. He has got skills and temperament to survive at top. Let someone else (otherthan Rohit please!) take his spot.

  • rising_phoenix on August 18, 2014, 11:24 GMT

    @kalyan: I know you said Jadeja shouldn't be in the team. I was commenting on your thinking process that whoever hasn't been exposed in the series so far, would have probably been a better option as against X, Y, Z. Even before this test, some people said Ishwar Pandey should be tried...on what basis??? Similarly Naman Ojha should come into the team since he performed in one series against Aus A? Now don't tell me he played well in IPL too..... "Rohit is this teams best batsman, not me, even Kohli says that"...ROFL....Kohli was just being polite, you Idiot! Some of those experts also felt that Ashwin is best spinner around after the 2nd test even though he had no performance to back such comments....again his 3 wickets doesn't solve India's spin worries.....Neither is Ojha that great a bowler.......and not even Amit Mishra...both have shown some sparks, but are hardly consistent....just accept that there isn't a lot of talent floating around in India for test cricket..

  • Vilander on August 18, 2014, 11:07 GMT

    Jadejas drop of Cook was so crucial he went on to make 95, after that ballance not given at 10 Bell not given at 0 who each went on to make 150's, very poor Umpiring in the third test cost India a 2-0 lead. But last two games were just poor crest fallen stuff, Stupid decision by Dhoni to bat in the fourth test. DRS and a bat first at 4th test could have made things pan out a little differently.

  • S.Anand on August 18, 2014, 11:05 GMT

    **cont** Don't recommend prestigious Indian government awards like Padma Bhushan and Padma Shri until the players are internationally accepted as Greats.

  • S.Anand on August 18, 2014, 11:04 GMT

    **continued**Young Indian team should practise how to field in the slip and bend down exercise should be given as a regular physical work out.Don't look for replacements with a small pool of people e.g if Dhawan is not in form, take Ghambir or if Ghambir is not in form take Dhawan. How ridiculous is this to call a replacement who is a walking and laughing wicket and gets out in the first ball. Don't call Virat and Ghambir as a future captains when their position as a team member is doubtful. Go for the talent where a guy enjoys his play as it is his passion and hunger to perform and win. Until BCCI finds a new test captain or Dhoni himself changes his attitude, Mithali Raj can be captain of our men's team and she will tell how to play cricket even without contract. If Indian team kept losing like this, the players should pay the money back to BCCI who in turn should use to work for the development of cricket.

  • archnat1112 on August 18, 2014, 10:44 GMT

    I don't understand some of the comments here. Dhoni is vilified for his captaincy - pray, what did Kohli do? Did he contribute here, or fight it out like Dhoni tried to in the first innings? It is believed that Dhoni wants his IPL teammates in - and then people criticize him saying he is not giving Raina enough chances, or that he did not select Ashwin. What DO people want him to do???! Frankly, I am still a huge fan of his captaincy, his leadership, his calmness, and his ability to absorb the pressure of these losses and take the blame on his broad shoulders. There is no one else with the mental strength to deal with being the Indian test captain right now. And when the time comes for Dhoni to walk into the sunset and be freed of these terrible burdens, my vote would be for Ashwin, not Kolhi, to take over as captain for Tests. He is a thinking guy, analytical, competitive and much more mature than Kohli.

  • joseyesu on August 18, 2014, 10:41 GMT

    dont know whom to replace for Pujara and Kohli

  • YorkshirePudding on August 18, 2014, 10:38 GMT

    @9ST9, if you're watching india you don't need 5 days off work, 3 seems to be the current trend, play the games starting on Friday and most people can safely take 1 day off (GRIN!!!!),

    Seriously I know what you mean, especially with family commitments it can be difficult to get 5 days off or you can burn 10-15days holiday easily watching to go to each test, with travelling etc.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 18, 2014, 10:34 GMT

    People need to consider when demanding Fletchers head he can only work with what the selectors give him. The team also has to want to adapt.

    Wind the clock back to when Fletcher took over the England post, he inherited a captain in Nas that shared his goal, does Dhoni share that same goal?

    He also dropped players that didn't perform, or handed out central contracts to those that were eager to win. Ideally Dhoni and India could have done with bing booed off the pitch by the Indian fans in the crowd at the oval, it might have brought home how poor they were as it did to Nas after the infamous NZ game, in the late 90's that saw England drop below Zimbabwe in the rankings.

  • on August 18, 2014, 10:24 GMT

    Ms dhoni should be removed from captaincy ..... give the captaincy to virat kohli or zaheer khan....samson shud come in test side...give some rest to dhoni for some months he can be a greatest test captain...

  • 9ST9 on August 18, 2014, 10:20 GMT

    @Pradeep Gadepally - Yes I understand there can be many types of fans. Hopefully there are still cricket fans left and administrators that take tests seriously. I know that people today cannot afford to spend 5 days watching a single match but Test cricket must be sustained as the base on which the other formats are built upon.

  • on August 18, 2014, 10:11 GMT

    @rising, read my full comments before you say anything. I also mentioned that Jadeja should not be in the squad, let alone in the team. Even before the series began, I said that it was Ojha who should have been the lead spinner for the team simply because he is the best spinner in India today. He is the last spinner to take a 5-for in tests.

    If you see Matchpoint analysis on Cricinfo, From the 1st game, the likes of Chappell, Ganguly, Laxman, Harsha etc have wanted Rohit in the playing XI. You think you know test Cricket more than them. Rohit is this teams best batsman, not me, even Kohli says that. And the biggest misconception that people have about Rohit is he is Dhoni fav which is totally opposite. You read one comment of mine, you think you know me mate.

    People like you don't understand Test cricket is about specialists. Can't argue with fools like you(You started it mate). If you can't debate constructively, dont talk at all. Captaincy change is the 1st step to better this team

  • chotteguru on August 18, 2014, 9:58 GMT

    The performance of the Team is a symbol of what is wrong in Indian Cricket. Namely the riches that BCCI and the players receive far out-weigh the team's performance on the pitch.

    The team's drumming has let down hundreds of millions of their supporters worldwide, including many children who look upon these players as role models. It is not the loosing but their sheer lack of fight and application which is shocking.

    In the natural course of events, after such strings of failure abroad, both the players and the administrators should be ashamed and severally embarrassed. Whole batches of each would be handing in their resignations both for taking responsibility and allowing for change. So far I see none of this and nor do I expect to.

    It is all about the attitude which rides hotshot over its paramount duty to its loyal fans.

  • Alexk400 on August 18, 2014, 9:57 GMT

    He is poor test wicket keeper. Poor test batsman. Poor Test captain ( i do not blame him on this because he is terrific captain if his players contribute). he has to go if we are thinking about future.

  • on August 18, 2014, 9:50 GMT

    what is this talk about experience, basics remain the same whether you are 1 test old or a 100 tests old...as a batsman know where your offstump, play with a straight bat, play close to your body, head on top of your front/ back foot, balance, play the ball late, get past aggresive spells wait for the bowlers to tire...as a bowler hit the same areas , play with the mind of the batsmen, assess his strengths and weakness and then apply the correct lengths, when applying pressure bowl with consistent lines to dry up runs...applying the basics is independent of experience...failure to implement the basics is the reason is the cause of downfall

  • deepvanarasi on August 18, 2014, 9:42 GMT

    I believe that the players will only get better from here if right learnings are taken from this embarassing debacle. Seeing Indian batsmen at the crease in the last two tests, I felt that they were lost and were not sure what to do. Their indecisiveness cost us wickets. If someone can work with them on the flaws and can give them better mental conditioning, this bunch of players can excel at the highest level. As far as the captaincy is concerned, there is no replacement for Dhoni as yet. No one in the team is ready. Virat clearly is very badly out of form and cant be given the added burden of captaincy. What can be done is Virat can be given the ODI and T20 captaincy and let Dhoni focus on Test captaincy. But I believe that this shift in captaincy will not happen untill after the 2015 world cup, after which Dhoni most likely will take a decision on his future.

  • smudgeon on August 18, 2014, 9:32 GMT

    I think there's some very simple things that Indian players (in general) could do here - one being to have a stint in County cricket. Just having a quick look down the starting XI of the last match, only Gambhir has any County experience. Not saying it would solve all their problems, but getting some experience in English (or any non-sub-continent) conditions would be a good start. The calendar is crowded, sure, but I would think any aspiring Test player would want to challenge (and prove) themselves. I guess the climate has changed.

  • RogerC on August 18, 2014, 9:30 GMT

    In this current Indian team, most of the players need to be told how to play. It is not the team with players like Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble who know what to do based on their experience. When Dhoni told Ishant to bounce in Lords, he produced results. Otherwise, he wouldn't have used that approach. India needs a captain and coach who need to micro manage the players. Neither Dhoni nor Fletcher seems to be doing that. If Dhoni can't be replaced now, at least Fletcher must be replaced by someone like Gavaskar or Amarnath.

  • on August 18, 2014, 9:24 GMT

    india should sent this guys to play club crickets in all over the world and selcetion should be consider the overseas club perfomance too..

  • rising_phoenix on August 18, 2014, 9:18 GMT

    @ kalyan - We should be thankful you're not a selector. "Rohit can get into an AUS or SA playing XI today"...lol...don't tell me you're serious. If the same Rohit would have played and failed just like the others, people like you would have pointed out how Ashwin/Jadeja (at whoever's cost he'd have been selected) would have provided a bowling option and are better batsmen than Rohit. Not so long ago, there have been so many people who said Rohit is in the team after so many failures because he is Dhoni's favorite. People like you have absolutely zero idea about cricket.

    This team clearly lacks the skill and the patience to fight it out, with the exception of Vijay, Dhoni and Rahane probably. I'm not saying Vijay is a great player, but he was willing to push his limits , just like the way Dhoni did in the first innings.....Don't kid yourself by thinking that a captaincy change is the solution....there isn't a solution....and after the World Cup, Dhoni himself won't be keen

  • silentassassin_88 on August 18, 2014, 9:15 GMT

    Pathetic performance from he Indians. It is hard to digest the way they surrendered. 3-1 would have been still acceptable if they had lost with some fight.

    Uninspiring captaincy from MSD. Usually he blames the bowlers for the loss. But this time, bowlers showed good improvement. Virat Kohli and Pujara became walking wickets. (Future Dravid and tendulkar!!)Batsmen batted without spine.

    Players like dravid, sachin, laxman played county cricket during the summer and improved their skills during their career. But this generation wants only IPL, glamour, fame and money. I salute Michael clarke, who skipped IPl for his country. Maybe these players should stop playing IPL and utilize their summer to play county for atleast a couple of years.

    Dhoni is good enough for being a wicketkeeper batsman in tests, but not as a captain. Please quit for the good of Indian test cricket. Sorry, India in the 90's would have played marginally better than this team.

  • on August 18, 2014, 9:11 GMT

    @ 9ST9 : No please, do not think so. They are not general opinion of Indian Cricket fan. Only very few think so. We love test Cricket.

  • mayuresh11 on August 18, 2014, 9:11 GMT

    i think 5 bowler strategy was wrong by the indian team when we had won in lords people say one bowler was under use than y to pick 5 bowlers you could have pick rohit or nama ojha

    even have to see that we r facing problem in opening that y not have open with rohit he open in odi t20 than y not

    vijay and rahane had played well in 1-2 match than they have played like pujara n kholi in all the match ...

    its easy to say but in last inning dhoni should realized that our last 5 had batted well than y not they had give chance like ashwin to open as he does in domestic match some time or lower order bats man to face the new ball

  • mariaadeen on August 18, 2014, 9:05 GMT

    I am sure, nobody will be ready to take the challenge of test captainship at this juncture considering Australia and South Africa tours to Follow. Dhoni is best captain in this scenario.

  • AhamedPKS on August 18, 2014, 9:01 GMT

    Team India management should take full responsibility for this humiliating loss. After losing the 2nd test match, team England did an excellent home work to restrict key batsmen and bowlers. Most importantly replacement of Butler for Prior has yielded a huge reward for them. Where as Indian team become clueless one after every innings. While Indian team has struggled to reach 3 digit scores, English team was playing beautifully in particular Balance, Root and Butler. After 5 failures, no one will understand the logic of the captain who did not made any changes to the batting order which finally folded in 2 digit score. Though I am Dhoni's fan very disappointed with his captaincy. Opting to bat first in the 4th test, poor team selection, poor keeping, not shuffling batting order to the situation are the main reason for this loss apart from poor fielding and opening partnerships. Most importantly test matches needs fresh legs not the once who is tired of playing all other formats.

  • Rohit... on August 18, 2014, 8:37 GMT

    Not in his wildest nightmare have Dhoni expected to see his trump cards- Virat and Pujara- to fail in this manner...

  • Naresh28 on August 18, 2014, 8:37 GMT

    FROM the young players, I see that Sanju Samson has the best technique. Probably a Sachin in the making. In fact Sachin was highly impressed with this youngster. Naman Ohja should come in as a wicketkeeper. Spinner Akshar Patel impressed in the IPL. These guys all did well in Oz with India A. Rishi Dhawan should also be tried and the other wicketkeeper Saha. The bowling cupboard looks bare - WE NEED A SPIN BOWLER WITH FIGHTING QUALITIES LIKE BHAJJI. In pace Aaron, Umesh Yadav and Ishant should all make the 11. Ashwin should be in the team as well. Rahane should be made an opener and I hope Uthappa can be made as one - he failed in Oz with India A.

  • ramli on August 18, 2014, 8:27 GMT

    What is aggressive captaincy? Sorry, I fail to understand. Is it keeping 4 slips or 6 players around the bat all the time no matter how your bowlers bowl or is it changing the batsmen or the order at every instance no matter when all your batsmen fail or setting innovative fields just for the sake of it? For me, the 5-bowler strategy itself was aggressive. But when your batsmen fold up without a fight, from where can you draw aggressiveness? When your fielders keep dropping dollies let alone not-going for difficult ones, where will you draw your aggressiveness? May be the sole reason that MSD was not able to motivate players to perform at desried level can be the sole reason for giving up the captaincy.

  • ramli on August 18, 2014, 8:18 GMT

    Let us console ourselves that 3-1 is better than 4-0. Last time we had all the stalwarts yet lost miserably. This time we had a lot of first-timers and still lost it. I don't know whether the Aussies will be that generous. It is emerging very clearly that even our batsmen are not yet prepared for long test series. MSD led a lot more positively than last time, but was not enough. It will be one thing to remove him from captaincy. But to remove him from the test team, we will certainly be losing a fighter.

  • on August 18, 2014, 8:17 GMT

    There is nothing wrong with the players in general. All are talented and some selection errors also added to this like Binny, Jadeja, Pankaj, etc... But the actual problem is the mindset and focus of players are not set for test matches. All are more comfortable in T20 & One Day games. The patience of Dravid & laxman is lacking in the current lot. They are more focused on shorter versions which gives quick runs, quick money and quick fame. test is not their cup of tea. Because there is no other option, they are playing. The real quench in performing their best is not seen in recent tests. We need a certain breed of players who can fit into test matches.

  • Kashi0127 on August 18, 2014, 7:58 GMT

    I think the resurrection of Indian cricket is in the hands of INDIAN PUBLIC at large. All they have to do is totally boycott IPL if at all they are interested in cricket. MAKE SURE IPL IS A BIG FAILURE and that way real cricket will prosper. Other wise might as well RIP Indian Cricket! Again I am not sure if this gets published - anything against IPL does not seem to get much attention.

  • sushils on August 18, 2014, 7:58 GMT

    After the Indian team's loss different people are saying Dhoni is not a good captain, It is almost true But who else at present there is in Indian Cricket who can lead India in Test matches abroad. India need Kohli & Pujara more as a batsmen than as a Captain. Had both in good form, Series' result would have been different and same Dhoni would have got praise... Actually Indian Domestic Cricket needs an overhaul.Good captains are not produced in our domestic cricket. 27 teams play Ranji Trophy, there are 27 different captains.Have u ever heard any cricketer praised for his captaincy alone in domestic cricket. We don't have brains to guide our captains. different fielding & catching positions never done in domestic cricket... This thing applies to our bowlers also, No renovation in bowling.. different techniques etc.. never tried. So Test matches abroad are like UPSC exam for Indian cricketers, without hard preparation,you will always fail,why blame current batch, look at History also

  • on August 18, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    I said this way back after the 2nd test of the 2011 series that Dhoni should walk. And nothing has improved since then. Yes a few players have been out of form but the captain is primarily responsible for keeping the morale of the team high and I am afraid Dhoni can never do that. What example does it set it to players when the captain himself says test cricket is not his preferred format. The turning point of the series was first, Jadeja(who should not have been there in the squad firstly) dropping Cook and most importantly, that 2nd session in Southampton when Dhoni gifted the series to Eng(also dropping Ballance). When you are chasing the game and being defensive, No player can perform to their best of abilities coz you know you'r chasing, instead of setting up a game.

    No passion, no accountability, no taking responsibility, pathetic team selections(Rohit can get into an AUS or SA playing XI today),favoritism and extremely lethargic captaincy. Dhoni and Fletcher, Please leave.

  • on August 18, 2014, 7:45 GMT

    Guys..why r u picking team if they are not experienced in playing in such conditions.. Also people say highly talented player Virat and Puraja etc...What is Talent? Talent in scoring flat pitches and some odd foreign soil? Talent is what Dravid had...no matter what pitch bowler conditions we could bank on him....Thats Talent.Please dont tell these players are talented. They are good enough for ODIs and Test in India..If you need them to be successful they should have top 4 Batsman stop playing IPL and use that time to play English county..BCCI should pay them what they would have earned in IPL....big deal... But trust me Dhoni would say it is an young team and soon he would say these boys are tired after playing so long international cricket...another excuse he would give or by the time they get experience and still fail he would not be around...

  • SamRoy on August 18, 2014, 7:15 GMT

    Since a lot of people are going to read the article and also the comments I will re-iterate what I have said of MSD. I like everything about MSD except his test captaincy. He is a wonderful fellow but he is a very poor test captain. The worst Indian test captain I have seen, worser than Azhar and Tendulkar. The first time I realized he was incompetent as a test captain was when he let SL almost win a game vs India in 2010 where Ajantha Mendis scored 80 odd; when Mendis came to bat SL score was 77-7 and Dhoni had 5 fielders on the boundary. It gave Mendis the chance to settle, take singles and then play with confidence. What are the basic problems with Dhoni's test captaincy? First he is very bowler unfriendly. When the fast bowler is bowling well he often gives them a 8-9 over spells. That is just ludicrous as often it causes injuries and often tires the bowler down. Secondly, defensive fields and lack of basic understanding of fielding positions.

  • on August 18, 2014, 6:48 GMT

    @glen1 : Whilst I respect you for having logic in your opinions unlike lot of others who are blindly supporting MSD and co., I would say there is some fault still in some of the observations. Neither Sachin nor Gavaskar nor Kapil Dev nor Chandrasekhar nor Srinath nor Kumble nor Azharuddin (whose father was a watchman) nor Bhajji nor Sehwag and so many other legends had any financial background. Current lot have much stronger financial background but are only blinded by stardom. And only remaining in comfort zone is not a way to excellence but a sure shot recipe for failure. Alright to focus more on IPL as its a personal choice of players but to take a formal decision to play only 2 tests is a way to kill the game. Not justified for a petty reason like "Players are not able to adjust". Sorry, not a good enuf reason.

  • 9ST9 on August 18, 2014, 6:41 GMT

    @kasilingam - If your opinion is the general opinion of the majority of your fellow country-men then that answers a lot of questions that spring in the mind of the foreign cricket fan regarding Indian cricket. Thanks for making it clear.

  • on August 18, 2014, 6:34 GMT

    I feel that Dhoni is not to blame.He is the 2nd highest run-getter in this series and effected 17 dismissals as keeper.Bhuvi picked up an injury and that was the reason India could not be saved---his 3 fifties were the reason,India got a draw and a win in the first 2 matches.Making Virat captain now will send the wrong signals,he should atleast be in decent form before being considered as a candidate.Indian media should not hype the Indian batsmen till they prove themselves as match winners.Binny was picked up because of stellar performances against Bangladesh?THAT CANNOT BE A CRITERIA!Some heads will have to roll but certainly not Dhoni's.

  • on August 18, 2014, 6:25 GMT

    Don't create panic, This bunch is good enough but they will take their time. This is fact they are very inexperience interms of playing in overseas tours. But yes for Austrailiyan tour I will select Ojha , Bhajji & Sehwag in this team. Sehwag can make a difference. Yes now he is not his prime but still he is able to start quick those 50 run partenerships, which india badly needed in overseas tours. With Ojha & Bhajji we would have specialised skillfull spinner in overseas which is required essantially. I will never go bits & pieces allrounder in overseas tours. So that in first match I would go with this team in this team. 1. Sehwag 2. M Vijay 3. Pujara 4. Rahane 5. Kohli 6. Rohit/Aswin 7. Dhoni 8.Ojha/ Bhajji 9. B Kumar 10. U Yadav 11. V. Aaron Some others: 12: I Sharma 13. M. Shami 14. S. Dhawan

  • on August 18, 2014, 6:14 GMT

    I think Dhoni became too complacent for making such a team change that lowered batsmen confidence..He thought whatever he touches will turn gold by including pankaj Singh the grt instead of ishwar pandey reasonably good bowler in practice match

  • baskar_guha on August 18, 2014, 6:13 GMT

    India misread the Old Traffod pitch and were unlucky to bat first at the Oval. It would have been closer if England were made to bat first at Old Trafford and the Oval. They did miss Ishant when he was injured. It still may not have prevented English wins but it would have been more competitive. The best way to have Indian test players and wannabes gain experience is to make them part of India A tours to England.

  • on August 18, 2014, 5:57 GMT

    @debjyoti very well spotted concerns from this test series on which Indian team players, captain, coach and staff, management have to ponder over ..serious introspection has to be held for this hatrick debacle of this series..team spirit , batting temperament , captain tactics , coach role, excluding 4 genuine fast bowlers in the crunch of a series third match, excluding ishwar pandey a genuine pace bowler in all the series who bowled well in the practice match regarding which Dhoni himself regretting in the post match presentation ...These are all questionable aspects ..god bless this Indian think tank..

  • naren1983 on August 18, 2014, 5:40 GMT

    I believe he has no choice this time rather than quitting the Test Captaincy. If he says "Wait & Watch", that shows he is going to tell to BCCI that he is going to quit test captaincy. Agreed our batsmen not delivered at all and at the same time, Captaincy also not proved well in picking up the team for the matches & no strategic made for come back, we even gave up the fighting spirits in the last 3 test matches, this shows definetely we need a aggressive captain to lead from the front. As far as the team is concerned, I think Virat Kohli is the only choice, he just not scored only on this series, before to this, he was our proper cricketer in all the formats. Selectors may consider few others as well like Pujara, Ashwin or Gambhir. Pujara has better chance because he led India A team to different countries and done better, but he is not our ODI player yet. Anyway Dhoni will not play against AUS in Aus, its better to play Naman against WI before AUS.

  • on August 18, 2014, 5:35 GMT

    i think dhoni should resign from captaincy in t20 because he is taking too many pressure by captaining in all 3 format. Still lot of years to come and he has to contribute for his team.the upcoming generation like kohli will also be tested by giving opportunity to captain in t20 side

  • shibu85 on August 18, 2014, 5:35 GMT

    in this series the main culprit are our btasman who surrendered meekly to english bowler the worrying sign in this series was giving 20 odd wickets to moeen ali...by seeing this series i seriously doubt that in australia any test would go beyond third day against like of jhonson who will rip us a part india will fail to reach 100 in 3 to 4 innings and even scoring 200 would be ararety......i feel sorry for msd who was the lone wariror showing the youngsters how to survive even with a doggy technique....next test series is against westindies i doubt india to win that series also when on green wicket moeen caused havok ..imagine what suniel narine and co will do on spinning wicket....this team is going no where....bhajji should make a comeback along with viru

  • on August 18, 2014, 5:32 GMT

    Very poor performance and here are the reasons: 1. What did the coach did? Asked batsmen to change their natural stance to a more open one to face English bowling. Why change stance of plays in a middle of a series and why did players accept it? 2. In the past Indian teams never lacked team spirit but this one does! The pattern of defeat in the last two matches were same - no spirit shown for a fight back and to learn from mistakes. 3. Poor selection of team - why was Rohit Sharma brought in as an extra batman when you are already up in the series, thus limiting the bowling to 4 frontline bowlers. What was the role of Binny in the playing 11? He is not the class to be a test cricket all-rounder. Jadeja is a defensive bowler at best and the better spinner was sitting the dressing room till the last match. Why didn't Aroan play more matches? 4. Dhoni's captaincy was without any logic including bowling changes and field placements? Why will you bring in your fast bowler after a 50+

  • DanielRob on August 18, 2014, 5:28 GMT

    @VijayKrish. You gotta be kidding me mate. You mean to say that Ganguly had a match winning team under him that won him matches and He himself did nothing? He was lucky to hv such a side with Zaheer, Srinath and Kumble playing under him? Well FYI, Zaheer was found and developed by none other than Ganguly. Even Nehra, was developed by Ganguly. I must admit that he was lucky to have Kumble and Srinath but Ganguly also gave a good off spinner in the name of Harbhajan to the Indian Cricket. He developed Bhajji too. It was also Ganguly who found and developed Sehwag and he was asked to open in Tests by Sourav himself and the rest is history. Ganguly also found Irfan Pathan who was later spoiled by Chappell after Ganguly was dropped. Rhino had a great team under him in 2011, but he failed miserably losing 4-0 in Eng and Aus. Just stop pointing you finger against Ganguly when Dhoni's team is not playing well. It is natural that everyone wants the captain's head when the team fails.

  • on August 18, 2014, 5:24 GMT

    there are some people who might say don't be harsh on dhoni and his team. even if you leave out anderson and broad there is jordan , woakes and moen ali to win the match for england than why not our bowler? if you don't know how to place a field for fast bowlers than instead of taking wickets fast bowlers will leak runs like crazy. fast bowlers is not going to get you bold everytime. if batsman even nick fast bowler it will travel faster to the boundry than slow bowler. so captaining the fast bowler is complicated task its not like captaining Jadeja, Ashwin, bhuvi. If you want to captain umesh yadav, varun aron, than your fielding position should be spot on. even a slight nick to fast bowlers means leaking runs. I think umesh yadav, varun aron, mohommed shami, ishant sharma are wonderful bowlers for india but the problem is if you don't set good field to fast bowler than they will leak runs.

  • on August 18, 2014, 5:21 GMT

    This Indian team is great they will lose each and every series overseas and they will learn. how pathetic and disgusting comment from Indian skipper. I want Dhoni to continue as test captain coz he will go down 4-0 in down under and will be the worst oversea captain ever.

  • kasilingam on August 18, 2014, 5:20 GMT

    who cares about test cricket...a win is a win ....3-1 england....if india can win odi 4-1 then its 5-4...this english players play same number of matches of test that india play odi in a year.in same pitches almost every year.but indians even if they play say 10 test matches in a year..they play in different pitches....a good odi player can be a better test player and fantastic t20 player.name how many test players play good odi and t20 and been very success?name atleast few english players?cook?bell?anderson?broad? all struggles in odi and not even worth in t20s..see indian players they all can excile in all formats apart from pujara..this is just one series they failed all together.see before overseas matches,they have fighted well...and dont start test cricket is pinnacle bla bla bla....i think there is some serious issue with duncan fletcher..sack him and put dav whatmore as indian coach for india to win the wc..he is a magician

  • karthik_ig on August 18, 2014, 5:20 GMT

    I agree the fact that Dhoni's captaincy is not good and its declining..but do we have any one eligible to captain the current team..Kohli? he is not ready..1st he need to establish himself..May be Ashwin..He is a smart cricketer..but his place in overseas is still a question..Cant even think of other names..

  • BigDataIsAHoax on August 18, 2014, 5:11 GMT

    It's high time our learned cricket journalists pose direct, difficult, persistent questions to Dhoni about his abject captaincy, batting and keeping in test matches. The fans need the support of the media who have the power to make this issue really explode on television and newspaper. Till date, I have always felt Dhoni has had to endure lot less questioning than his predecessors. As a captain, he has the ultimate accountability for the team's performance. May I humbly request the Indian media on behalf of all die-hard Indian "test" cricket fans to really step the gas on Dhoni big time? We, as fans, can complain all we want, but NOTHING is going to happen because of politics of IPL etc. Only if Dhoni is made accountable through media will his ratings go down, his sponsors get worried and then he will lose the strangle-hold on Indian cricket and eventually quit test cricket. Otherwise, we are staring at another murderous 4-zip series down-under.

  • on August 18, 2014, 4:52 GMT

    I feel bad for Dhoni. He is the only guy who gives a fight to the opposition in horrid times when other batsmen get out cheaply despite his technique issues. If u dont have quality fast bowlers outside subcontinent, no captain can win u matches. Really feel pity for Dhoni. He never had the fully fit Zaheer's Srinath's, prasad's or kumble's like Ganguly had during his captaincy tenure and yet was loosing most matches. Had Dhoni had a Srinath or Kumble under Dhoni, im sure he would have won a lot of matches.

  • DanielRob on August 18, 2014, 4:51 GMT

    Yes, we can all understand that this series was the first series for most of the players in the side except Dhoni and Ishant in ENG, so they will learn from this series a lot. But Mr. Dhoni, you can't give this as an excuse for such an embarrassing loss. The manner in which these lads surrendered was just shocking and this is highly unacceptable from an international team. Dhoni and Fletcher must quit if not then sacked. Find a captain, sure there will be many candidates. Don't say that Dhoni is the only option. Bring in an Indian coach, preferably Lalchand Rajput. He has done well with the A sides on away tours,both in the shorter and longer formats of the game. This current crop has been embarrassing the country tour after tour. It is high time now. Don't care what you achieve in the ODIs and T20s. Test cricket is the ultimate form and you guys have shamed us. Good job Eng. I just pray that you guys thrash this hopeless Indian side left , right and center in the ODIs & T20

  • yogesh.gg on August 18, 2014, 4:47 GMT

    glen1 on (August 17, 2014, 20:22 GMT) : Their being from lower middle class doesn't mean they can't even fight. If you say they just play to make living , then how do you explain Dhoni's success ? Its the gumption to fight and determination which is lacking and not the skill. If we manage different team for tests properly this problem can be rectified easily. BCCI should encourage those set of players to play in county and set them in higher salary slab. With such huge population , finding talent should be last of problems for Indian cricket structure. We can always make up for lack of talent with handwork. eg. Dravid. Pls publish

  • Abaa on August 18, 2014, 4:40 GMT

    Don't be jealous of the IPL? What is he serious? The question asked makes complete sense. Players like Dravid who excelled in India played a county season or two. So this if anything should help India. If Pujara plays a season of English county cricket it will make him a lot better in many ways and this has been proven before

  • on August 18, 2014, 4:30 GMT

    Dhoni never really looks like a good test captain, even when he wins. But he does have to make do with very average bowlers. Dhoni doesn't seem to come up with creative ideas or plans, fair enough. But if he did are the Indian bowlers good enough to execute them ? In the Oval they tried short stuff and the field was set. But short balls at 80 mph are just long hops; you have to get it up around 86-87 mph at least to be effective.

  • on August 18, 2014, 4:27 GMT

    My dear Dhoni, you tried different tricks in this test series which didn't yield good results. This is not a T20 or ODI to do those tricks/gamblings. This is TEST, test of real cricketer character to stay long in the crease. In first 2-tests, India did better than ENG but after they collapsed in next 6 inngs. It looks like IND didn't practice well after win in Lords. They are over-confident thinking they could win easily the rest of series but they after 3rd test, they lost confidence & their foot work had shown it. Many of them either not applied front foot or back foot to play while ENG did those corrections after a loss from Lords which increased their confidence. This shows IND captain or coach is not bothered seriously about his players. Also, all the players should be blamed who repeated the same mistakes in 6 inngs. They didn't attack Anderson, Broad. May be we could have brought IND A team to play here where they are playing gud cricket against AUS in AUS pitches. Shame...!

  • MelbourneMiracle on August 18, 2014, 3:34 GMT

    I have a strong feeling that Dhoni should consult Mathews to learn a thing or two on how he managed his team to do better than English team in England.

  • Aju.Nair on August 18, 2014, 3:20 GMT

    Why cant we have an all together new team for WI series..? We are sure how the conditions will be here in India and the team can win here easily..That victory is not going to heal the wound that the team has now..My opinion is to have a new team for WI series, that will add pressure to the current players and they can come back strongly.how can we drop a player like Sehwag, a game changer, highest run getter for India in Test,ODI and a guy who played 2003,2007.2011 World cups.this is not at all fair..Bring back Sehwag.Sehwag, Naman Ojha, Kedar Jadhav, Sanju Samson, Vijay Zol, Y Chahal,Jiwanjot Sigh, Sandeep Sharma, Akshar Patel, Manish Pandey, Jaydev Unadkat, Rishi Dhawan, B Aparajith, .We have good youngsters for future.try most of them in the coming series.Dhoni is talking about a hectic schedule for current players..Why cant they give a break for the current players..this is the ideal situation to test the youngsters with the support of an experienced person like Sehwag..Godspeed.

  • Sexysteven on August 18, 2014, 3:20 GMT

    Yes dhonis excuses are getting boring surely he can't defend how they just laid down and died basically he's got to go as captain and keeper those things he did badly give him the option if he wants to play as a batsmen only at six if not he can concentrate on white ball cricket kohli to captain I prob get rahane and vijay to opener and give them strict instructions to see off the newball leave as much as possible for those two the runs aren't as important as surviving at least 20 overs to make it easier for the middle order who can pick up the run rate when they come in then pujara kohli rohit Samson ashwin good enough to bat at seven then kumar ishant Aaron yadav would be the team I would go with on Aussie pitches

  • cric_gates on August 18, 2014, 3:11 GMT

    Who will be India next test Captain?

    1. Shehwag 2. Zaheer 3. Harbhajan 4. Aswin 5. Kohli 6. Rahane 7. Pujara

    I will vote for Zaheer or Shehwag for couple of years.

    I still believe Zaheer have 2 more years left for Test cricket and Shehwag 3 years.India should use their experience for 2-3 years atleast.

  • on August 18, 2014, 3:07 GMT

    Bring Raina back into the test team and make him captain. The number of chances that have been given to Rohit and Jadeja were never given to Raina. He failed one series and was discarded as a test player. He has the right kind of attitude and would be a fantastic captain.

  • TNAmarkFromIndia on August 18, 2014, 3:06 GMT

    I hope the upcoming Indian Super League will lead to more young kids in India taking to football rather than cricket.

  • on August 18, 2014, 2:55 GMT

    No need to quit captaincy ms Everyone behind you so do your best win the upcoming matches for our country

  • on August 18, 2014, 2:52 GMT

    Why Can't we follow South African method (making Graeme Smith the captain on his debut test) and make Vijay Zol as Indian Captain? Seeing him in Under-19 cricket, we could sense another Dada in making. Also include players like Sanju Samson, Sandeep Sharma, Baba Aparajith into the playing XI of the test matches. They got enough skills and more importantly temperament than many other current Indian test squad players got

  • osteo on August 18, 2014, 2:50 GMT

    now we give this indian team to cook and england team to dhoni. I am not founding that much faults in his captaincy. some mad indian supporters not thinking this

  • VinothSam on August 18, 2014, 2:46 GMT

    Boo dhoni. Go home. You are good for nothing. Let the youngsters to get in the team. Well, See you leds.

  • sray23 on August 18, 2014, 2:28 GMT

    If Dhoni resigns now, there is a tiny little question we need to answer - WHO DO WE MAKE TEST CAPTAIN? Kohli? Pujara? Lets face it - there is no other alternative to Dhoni. And there is also one other matter which is easy to overlook. If Pankaj Singh is the best bowler around in Ranji (which based on stats he is), then there we should all feel the depths of shame. If Pankaj Singh & Jadeja is the best that Ranji trophy can throw up, then no wonder no-one cares about it anymore. The root of the problem is that Indian domestic cricket, for all India's money & power, has not changed one bit in the last 80 years. Still boring cricket played on boring pitches creating "fast" bowlers who bowl medium pace, spinners with no spin and hence batsmen with no technique to cut it at international level. India lost this series not because of Dhoni's captaincy, but because they have an ordinary team who are simply not good enough for Tests. And that's due to bad FC cricket structure.

  • on August 18, 2014, 2:28 GMT

    this is the main problem indian cricket board. 1) cricket board is scared of dhoni and why foreign coach when you have dravid , laxman , who are brilliant cricketers? 2) second thing is that they should recognize the match winner and let him play all the matches and give him more chance, for example suresh raina is a match winner, why not suresh raina playing test matches? rohit sharma is a match winner why not he playing? sometimes technically they get out that does not mean they are not fit to play test matches. 3) young players like sanju samson is not getting chance to play in the team why? the players in the team is not going to say "pick the new guy and drop me" selectors have to be brave enough to give chances to the new player. 4)dhoni is doing three jobs at the same time, captaining, batting and wicket keeping, that too in all the format. why selectors let him do that. a single person is doing multi tasking and players like sanju samson, naman ojha is not getting chances.

  • on August 18, 2014, 2:15 GMT

    Its really painful as an Indian cricket supporter to go through such humiliation. We had been whitewashed on several ocassions earlier by England, Australia in their home turf, and Pakistan has defeated us in India, after live TV came into effect, but the semblence of a fight has gone missing from the team. The world is asking MS to resign, but has anybody asked Virat, Dhawan,Gambhir or Pujara, as to why they came to England without any preparation, why the slip fielders have dropped 60% of the catches offered. MS is a kind of person, who can walk into sunset, any day he wants, but will not like to leave the team in shambles like this. At present other than MS, only Virat,Vijay, Pujara,Rahane,Ishant and Bhuvi are sure Test selections, so out of the above five can take over the captaincy of the Indian team at this juncture. Dont forget that this Captain has given you two World Cups, and the No.1 ranking in Tests also, if India has to improve, he has to marshall it

  • RaviUnadkat on August 18, 2014, 2:15 GMT

    This Indian team has no real hero, flat pitch champions does not know how to play cricket. MSD keeps on saying they are learning - if you read SRT/RD they were also learning at age of retring but that does not stop them from performing for country. 5th test match started on 15th Aug - Indian Independence day, and our players did not look motivated at all - at least for that day you guys should have shown some meat ? but no, poor BCCI cones take name of Pujara failed, does anyone remember we had Kohli and people screamed him to be next SRT - he is no even Praveen Amre.

  • on August 18, 2014, 2:06 GMT

    Not sure what exactly is more embarrassing, The defeat or the comments on this thread. Get a grip people. This is CRICKET. The same England team was demolished by Aus not too long ago. This India team is young and learning. It was horrible to see them lose steam but still thankful this was a five match series. A 1-1 drawn three match series would have hid a lot of problems. The same team won a test a month ago at lords. But such are the effects of momentum. The poor form of Pujara and Virat and The decision to play the likes of Binny, Gambhir and the ever worthless Jadeja has cost us the series. That, and tremendous fightback by the English.

  • YesKayR on August 18, 2014, 1:35 GMT

    contd from my previous comment.. while the support staff has to be blamed, players are to take 80% blame by themselves. How else wud u explain that we fold for 148 & 94, but eng score 476. we score 152 & 161, England score 360+. Dhoni's excuse that bowlers cudnot raise their game bcoz of batsmen's failure is another goof up. seeing the wkt assisting seam bowling our bowlers shud have bowled with their tails up and produced much better results. team selection also has a lot to blame. still cant digest how pankaj was selected above umesh yadav. can imagine how this one day series is going to be.. another 2011 repeat. we all forget what we say before a series. we say gambhir shud be back. we have seen now. people r saying sehwag shud be back.. ridiculous. when someone performs we praise a lot. when the same person fails, we talk abt his weakness- how he cant play fast bowling and so on. Now the same people are prasing COOK for the English revival after they were walked over by all teams.

  • on August 18, 2014, 1:28 GMT

    I think virat kholi is the next captain in test cricket.

  • YesKayR on August 18, 2014, 1:25 GMT

    Letz look at the excuses we always make when we loose a away series - Batsmen did not get enough exposure/practice on English wkts. by the time they got used, series was over. LOOK at this series. Includin the first innings of the 3rd test, we scored 300 + on 4occassions. then we went from bad to worse with scores below 200 and even a paltry 94. Now the new excuses - Pujara was exposed early as opener got out cheaply. What else is Pujara's role? Few occasions he got out after getting into 20s and 30s which cannot justify the excuse that he was exposed early. Dravid scored 3 hundreds in 2011 series after getting exposed early. These excuses are hiding the real weaknesses we have - like having no intl class spinners and fast bowlers. I am wondering how Shami has beome a wicketless wonder after showing a lot of promise in the first test he played on a Indian pitch. Like always I would question the role of bowling coach and other support staff.. am not taking the blame away the players.

  • amit_e33 on August 18, 2014, 0:28 GMT

    Dhoni has to quit as a captain honorably or should be forced out. Not a single more test for him as a captain. Period

  • popcorn on August 18, 2014, 0:22 GMT

    Dhoni HAS to GO. He does not fit in as a Captain OR a Wicket Keeper.Have the guts to blood a NEW Captain (not the scowling Virat Kohli)like India brought in 21 year -old Nawab of Pataudi in the West Indies when Captain Nari Contractor was injured by a bouncer,and like Soouth Africa brought in 21 year -old Graeme Smith as Captain. See how Dhoni resents any blame on IPL - that is ALL he is FIT FOR.The Indian mindset is Twenty Over Cricket - not Test Cricket. Sic.

  • SLSup on August 17, 2014, 23:37 GMT

    This article begins by saying the following: "MS Dhoni has seen India lose 13 and win one of their last 17 overseas Tests."

    IND has won only 12 AWAY Series (in Tests) in the 82 years they've played cricket. I don't know how well this compares with other countries except to say SL has won 7 AWAY Series (in Tests) in the 32 years SL has played Test cricket.

    Dhoni's record as a captain was also propped up by the excessive number of Tests IND has played against SL in the absence of playing PAK for so many years. PAK usually rates better than SL in Tests.

  • Nampally on August 17, 2014, 23:18 GMT

    There are blunders made in selection of the Indian Team at 2 levels: 1. Selection of Right squad by the Indian Selection Committee 2. Selection of Right XI by Captain Dhoni. E.G: in this squad: A pace bowler Umesh Yadev who is in 140 KPH range & has much better control than Aaron was dropped + no attention was paid to crucial opening bat spot. Secondly Dhoni made too many errors in XI selection by dropping Ashwin & Aaron in 3 Tests + ignoring N.Ojha- the batsman in the best form. It was meaningless playing Failed guys like Gambhir Or Binny - neither can contribute much. All 5 "specialist" batsmen MUST contribute significantly to Win. Ashwin & Kumar @#8 & 9 batted better than #3 & #4 Bats- Pujara & Kohli. No team can win when Top 4 batsmen do not perform. So Dhoni is dreaming when he says he can win with these non performers! Dhoni's repeated statement: "process" is more important than "Result" - is no way to Lead the Team to WIN.India badly needs a New Leader with winning "Attitude"!

  • Dilmah82 on August 17, 2014, 23:12 GMT

    I think Dhoni is useless in Test cricket as captain...and at times he seems to not care. It would be better for India with someone else who doesn't make weak pathetic excuses and keep doing the same negative things! However problem is who will take over? Kohli himself has struggled for form here. No Sehwag and Gambhir had poor series. Some of the younger ones still learning their craft in Test cricket. It is quite a mess!

  • Alexk400 on August 17, 2014, 22:52 GMT

    if he wins ODI series he will still be captain. I hope india lose ODI series also. Very difficult get rid of indian captains. They have to be fired. Ganguly was same case.

  • Alexk400 on August 17, 2014, 22:50 GMT

    I really do not think what dhoni can say. He lost with experienced team. He lost with young team. He lost with in experienced team. Even jump on that process band wagon , even that did not work. He should quit as test player. he is not inspiring his team mates because he can 't contribute. Only thing pro for dhoni is india still do not have that great fast bowler.

  • on August 17, 2014, 22:37 GMT

    Dhoni should retire from tests after the Australia tour India need a solid test keeper maybe the likes of Naman Ojha,Parthiv Patel or Dinesh Karthik can fill that role for two years or so. Dhoni should also quit ODI captaincy after the World Cup whether India win or not but continue playing in it until the very end of his career. He should keep his t20 captaincy right till the end. I reckon once Dhoni retires from everything a young keeper such as sanju samson can keep in all formats because by then even Karthik or so won't have a long future. My contenders for the captaincy would be Ravichandran Ashwin or Rohit Sharma. Virat fit to lead he's a very good player but he may fail badly as a leader similair to sachin as indians captain

  • on August 17, 2014, 22:34 GMT

    Dhoni should just quit as captain. He does not even select more deserving and proven players like Ashwin ,. Today we have to bring back Sehwag ( regardless of his form). He cannot fail for too long. , Yuvraj, Raina, other fast bowlers, even Irfan Pathan , Harbhajan ( who is also a capable batsman)..

    Dhoni is better off in the indian team as a player alone.

    Sehwag with his vast experience and adequately proven performance would prove to be a better captain.

  • on August 17, 2014, 22:17 GMT

    why we play 5 test match series , 2-3 test is OK.we know well that here in INDIA not too many fast balling pitches so should go and play county crickets, that will give us good practices for all three format matches.

  • nareshgb1 on August 17, 2014, 21:37 GMT

    Dont know about Dhoni, but this is the kind of performane that wll make fans and maybe even journalists and commentatorsfrom India want to retiire.

    What is baffling is that in same conditions, Indian owlers today gave away 100 runs in 12 oves and India were bowled out in 29. Why could Indian bowlers not get anyhelp at all? Are they so deflated? Dont they love the game? heck, the only time I got to bowl with a new ball on a windy day, I was unplayable. Ok - I was just a kid in college bowling to other kids - but still, these guys are playing for a national team - why cant they just bowl freakin' seam up and let the ball do something?

    As for batting - Gambhir had made big statements recently about how he "plays for his team to win and not to get back in India team and blah..." - well, dude, you just did not want to play at all today - not for the team, and (of course) not for yourself - you just ran away. Epitomzed the effort.

    Where's the love boys?

  • on August 17, 2014, 21:35 GMT

    Downfall started when Dhoni forced brilliant senior players like sehwag harbhajan gautam out of team and also made the atmosphere of dressing room unbearable so his ipl team mates can be in team. Giving statements against players in media by the captain surely led the morale down of the players. I find it bizzare how Ashwin stayed in test team for so long even when he goes wicket less for 2 years in away matches.

  • on August 17, 2014, 21:27 GMT

    ICC should reduce India to 4-day test matches outside India except for Bangladesh. India is pathetic when playing away from the country. These players have no respect for the country, they simply want to enhance their IPL carrier.

  • Retour on August 17, 2014, 21:04 GMT

    I hope that as usual this loss is not swept under the carpet. Media including Cricinfo should take up this issue so that changes are made in the right direction.

    First of all, Ind needs a dedicated management for test cricket. It would be a good idea to have a captain, coach and even selectors who are solely focused on tests. Ind can have a separate team for limited overs - ODIs and T20s. The selectors have done a pathetic job with the test team.

    It does not matter how many runs Sehwag can score but it is important to bring him back to rebuild and lead the test team. He has got the mentor qualities, along with aggression, that can help to shape India's future test direction. People such as McDermott or Wasim can be brought in as well to help bowlers with their mindset, and line and length for test cricket.

    Ind needs to identify and develop a core 5-7 players of that is solely focused on tests. For example: 2 batsmen, 2 bowlers, and 1 wkt keeper, along with Sehwag as the captain.

  • SpaMaster on August 17, 2014, 21:02 GMT

    Dhoni makes some great points about Indian bowlers. I am convinced this man has very good cricketing brain irrespective of the form of the game. The reason he has not been as good a Test captain as ODI/T20 captain is because he hasn't had as good Test teams. If this team matures to be a competitive Test team, we would see the same super-captain Dhoni that makes bold and creative moves in Test matches also.

  • Coolcapricorn on August 17, 2014, 20:57 GMT

    MSD is a poor Test wicket-keeper & captain - we have not seen this just in this series but for a long time now. Unfortunately our selectors - unlike in other countries - are star-struck & in awe of our big stars like MSD, so haven't got the guts to axe them. We've seen such players like SRT, Bhajji, Gambhir, Sehwag etc stay in the team for so long despite failure after failure in contributing nothing to the team. This breeds lethargy, arrogance, over-confidence etc which is why our team is going backwards, leading to all these embarrassing defeats or lost opportunities as we saw not long back both in NZ & SA. If our selectors are too timid, let us hope MSD himself decides to retire from Test cricket & just concentrate on the shorter formats of the game.

  • hal.jordan on August 17, 2014, 20:54 GMT

    in my honest opinion, there has been zero change from the 2011 fiasco. dhoni and co keep speaking of "lessons learnt", and "need to improve bowling/batting/fielding (pick one)" at every post match interview, but when will they put in the work to actually do that? as usual, it is all talk no action. sachin, saurav, rahul and dravid probably cried a little on the inside, who the heck have we given our team to?

  • SpaMaster on August 17, 2014, 20:54 GMT

    Of course, Dhoni is correct in shooting back with the IPL reply. A standard international cricketer must try to maintain good performance level in whatever form of cricket he plays. IPL extends just for over a month when the cricket calendar runs through 12 months. It is silly to blame IPL for this. Dhoni was spot on when he said those who say these things are jealous of IPL. This is a professional sport. It is natural for players to go where money is. It is like the silly debate when the world of tennis was trying to be more and more professional from amateurish tours. That said, the likes of Pujara and Kohli can try to find time to play county cricket. That's the best way to solve this problem and they should find a way to do it even if it means skipping some international ODI fixtures.

  • on August 17, 2014, 20:48 GMT

    Million dollar question is who will replace MSD. For me Ashwin is the right man to do the job. He can keep his place in the team with either his bowling or batting. He is a good thinker of the game as well.

  • here2rock on August 17, 2014, 20:34 GMT

    I don't blame Dhoni for the series loss but some very poor selections and judgements for the whole series. I thought their batting was too defensive, the England bowlers bowled well because their was no counter attack. Their was not much luck for India in the whole series, India made poor selections, lost most of the tosses, batted first in most difficult first day on most occasions. In the end it is results which matter not the processes Dhoni keeps talking. India need to change, this starts with the captain even though admired the burden Dhoni has carried for so long.

  • Balladeer on August 17, 2014, 20:27 GMT

    "When asked if some of the players, handpicked as India's Test future, could maybe give up the IPL and work on their Test game, Dhoni shot back: "Don't be jealous of the IPL.""

    Time and again, we are told by Indian cricketers, their staff and their fans that the IPL does not impact the cricketers' test game. How can we believe this when their captain comes out with this sort of thing?

    The IPL is much more important to Dhoni than tests, and fair enough, that's his choice. Different strokes for different folks and all that. But then give the captaincy to someone who is more enthusiastic about the format! I wonder if Pujara, a fine cricketer who has had a bad series, might do an Angelo Mathews if given the captaincy...

  • glen1 on August 17, 2014, 20:22 GMT

    Cricket is no longer an upper middle class game in India. The Kumars, Yadavs, Pujaras, Jadegas, Shamis, probably Dhoni and countless others hail from the lower middle classes. They have extra ordinary skills and they use that to make a good living from cricket. The cricket that India likes is the ODI and the T20 and those are the skills they perfect. Yes, they will fight the long fights, but only if the fights are realistic. A five test series in a distant land, with alien coaches and a language that's not their main one doesn't help. There is no going back in demographics; optimize the returns by playing two test series. Don't ever destroy them by putting them up for the wrong fights; they are very good role models and players, regardless of what is written in the media!

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 17, 2014, 20:20 GMT

    If MS Dhoni doesn't RESIGN now, then he will never do it in the future. The BCCI should 'ask' him to step down from test captaincy. Let him keep the ODI and T20 captaincy as he is a proven leader in those formats. In test cricket, we need an old school character to lead the team. Sure, we had an inexperienced squad blah blah blah. I have heard these excuses many times in the past. The fact remains, India are simply not good enough to play test cricket overseas. If you look at our history, we have NEVER been a successful test team. It was only under Sourav Ganguly that we started to win tests away from home. The ICC needs to severely look at India's test status. That's the right thing to do. We are good at limited overs but the reality is the ICC recognizes 3 forms of the game officially - tests, ODIs and T20s. We need to do all three well. This is embarrassing to say the least. England were glorious.

  • ashok16 on August 17, 2014, 20:18 GMT

    "not many have played in England before.." and not many will play in England again. India is going to fade away from test matches pretty quickly. In this age of the interconnected world, the lure of the foreign tour is much less than the lure of money. And IPL is there for that. Progressively India are going to disappear from the world scene. Whether it is cricket's loss or gain, it does not matter at all. The world will move on and so will India.

  • Cric__Dude on August 17, 2014, 20:09 GMT

    Dhoni is clearly not our future for Tests. Better to bring back Sehwag and make him captain Test side for 1/2 years. By then we should get to know who the future captain is; Kohli/Binny/Vinay Kumar/Rohit/Samson/any other. Samson should replace Dhoni in tests for sure. But this series, completely top 6 failure. 5 bowler combination was the right way to go. Maybe spinner/pacer composition could have been made slightly different. But top 6 the culprit.

  • Naresh28 on August 17, 2014, 20:01 GMT

    FIRE all of them for a spineless display. We have had enough of their excuses. Especially Dhoni. We need new young blood like Naman Ohja, Sanj Samson (a young player who can emulate Tesndulkar) Kedar Yadav and others who made a name in the IPL.

  • Sanj747 on August 17, 2014, 19:30 GMT

    Pathetic, Dreadful and embarassing.

  • MacUser on August 17, 2014, 19:28 GMT

    I am just another Indian fan puzzled by the performance of the Indian Cricket team which was looking good till the Lords Test. England were in all sorts of trouble with experts questioning Cooks captaincy and praising Dhoni's tactics.

    Nevertheless it showed us what the England team is really capable of. And full credit to Cook and his team for bouncing back quickly from a very difficult position. And to win in a way by crushing India was nearly a miracle.

    It also showed us what the Indian team is capable of.

    I am a firm believer that Dhoni has all the skills to pull any match in India's favor. But this is the first time I have seen Dhoni struggle with his Captaincy. Adding to his woes was the let down by famed Indian batting line-up.

    All India needed was just one Indian player to stand tall and perform amidst the rumbles....similar to what VVS Laxman and Dravid did in 2001... to conquer the unthinkable.... Right now there in no such player in the Indian team. Period !

  • on August 17, 2014, 19:26 GMT

    why is still dhoni is still captain who has zero knowledge of test cricket he kicked all the seniors from his team by saying that they are not good fielder's but look at your current fielder's dropping catches

    even under 19 batsman can reach double figures by just hitting the ball

    and now raina, mohit sharma another babies of dhoni are coming they will get all the matches to play

    and atlast dhoni will talk about process & lot of positives taken & they are still learning

    how many dhoni,raina requires to learn

  • bford1921 on August 17, 2014, 19:24 GMT

    Test cricket is demanding, the batsmen have to apply themselves and their role is to position the team in the contest so the bowlers can set about winning the game. The entertainment value of hard won test match is the finest output cricket supplies, however, when one sided the losing team have nowhere to hide. Time to learn to bat when the bowler has conditions on their side, not in a rather disappointing t20 game where the bowlers have no assistance and the boundaries are at a minimum..

  • on August 17, 2014, 19:22 GMT

    Look at the bright side,at least he will get 2 more days to rest :)

  • glen1 on August 17, 2014, 19:21 GMT

    @yogesh: yes, undoubtedly, test cricket is purest form of cricket, nobody denies that. However, look at the demographics and the origins of the players in India. They are entering with extraordinary skills, mostly from lower middle class, and with an eye to make it in the field. Unfortunately, they will not have the backgrounds and upbringings of a Tendulkar or a Gavaskar and so on. You appreciate what you have and maximize the returns. After all, cricket has been a national past time and has to represent the real people and their origins. Test cricket is too aloof for that, and the new breed of players cannot adjust to these requirements, and why destroy their confidence; two tests is enough!!!!

  • on August 17, 2014, 19:12 GMT

    indian players finished the match in three days because they had already given dates for commercials. i hope they will improve upon their "stellar performances" and fininish the matches within twodays in Australia

  • Cryptyritu on August 17, 2014, 19:07 GMT

    This series simply shows the declining quality of Indian test cricket. Players are focussing more on shorter and profitable versions of cricket. This series showed a serious lack of grit, tenacity and willingness to play even reasonable test cricket.

  • on August 17, 2014, 19:04 GMT

    I always tried to find excuses for the way the team performed. But is there an excuse for this performence! I really don't mind loosing. It is inevitable you will win some and loose some. What I can't digest is lack of fight.. Perhaps it's time Mahi gave up captaincy of test team.he obviously doesn't like the formatt.. He should be honest enough to own up and retire for the sake of us old folks who still love it.

  • SripriyaReddy on August 17, 2014, 19:02 GMT

    One thing is for sure, India will start winning outside subcontinent once Duncan Fletcher steps down as coach. As for Dhoni, he did what he could, not his fault that his team dint perform. I don't agree with those criticizing him for his captaincy. Who do they expect to be captain after him? Don't tell me Kohli! He must have cemented his place in the Test side, but Captaincy? A dream too far. First let him Consistently contribute in the top order, (Yes, top order, cuz the actual top order hardly stays at the crease nowadays) then the management may make him captain.

  • bharanraj on August 17, 2014, 19:01 GMT

    gosh! Bad for India but good for England who makes us really bad. We are dead snake from the lost of 3rd Test, when England came with good technics w/us. We have never prepared to handle situation. Dhoni, could have change the batting order in the final test when we don't have more to lose. Wonder when Broad can score 37 runs of just 21 balls, none of our batsmen unable do the same. The most you show your weakness the more you give up to your opponent. Also the poor decision let us down. Why we are not opt for Review while other teams agree to take the options. Blaming never ends unless you wins. Anyways, Trust our guys will come up in the ODI's. All the Very Best Team.

  • MrCricketFan1981 on August 17, 2014, 19:01 GMT

    C'mon ppl, why are we blaming captain, coach & BCCI. Its you and I 2 blame, we got what we deserved. They got what they wanted, the viewership, revenue, etc. We fans are the ones who didn't get what we wanted, an India win. Why should they change if india is losing all matches for past X years, we never change, we keep watching all India matches. The 1st step is to stop watching a series following a disastrous one like this, stop buying stuff that these guys endorse. This is basically like any product that is available in India, the advert is good, but quality is bad after we buy it. We Indians are well known 4 falling to good advertisement, aren't we. If there is direct financial implication due to incompetent performance, then there will be effort to improve. Except Broad and Anderson everyone in the england side was fighting to be in the team, but in our case, except no.2 and no.7 spot, there was no need for a fight to be in the team. A result of lethargy, also famous 4 India

  • on August 17, 2014, 19:00 GMT

    Lets look at this , reasons for our defeat.1) We never got our team right, not even our squad. Yadav, who was erratic earlier was superb last few months and he is a swing bowler with pace. 2) Jadeja never was a test player and never will be. He is a good limited overs players where he gets wickets when batsmen try to score off him and scores slogging runs at the death. 3)England bowling was bloody good after the lords test. Outside off stump,135+, consistent testing length. They tried back of length and bouncers from round the wicket in first two tests which failed. 4)Defensive mindset of the captain and coach. In the last test england were 113/4 and the next morning dhoni started off with pankaj singh and jadeja. varun was the one who troubled batsmen and bhuvi hardly bowls a bad ball. 5)Drop catches. If only had jadeja held on to the catch of cook in 3rd test things would have been different. 6)Kohli and Pujara found out.

  • on August 17, 2014, 18:55 GMT

    It all worked out perfectly as planed for Mr Dhoni and his friends. Now they have enough time for shopping, sight seeing and fishing. Perfect. The cricket "Test"matches were unnecessary distraction.

  • on August 17, 2014, 18:54 GMT

    The only problem with Indian Batting linup is their mindset. They remain in dream as if they are playing on Indian pitches which has very less help for seamers and pacers. And suddenly they realise that our dream became our worst nightmare. Lack of practice, confidence and replacements. Look at Srilanka, Pakistan even Bangladesh has replacements for every player. Then why don't we have it?

  • on August 17, 2014, 18:52 GMT

    The outcome would be that India would play tests only in India. Were it not for the fact that national boards make money only when other teams visit and the need to show reciprocity, India would not venture out of the sub-continent for tests.

  • SpaMaster on August 17, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    (Contd..) The playing XI is just a representation of the whole system. They are the best we have got. If there is a problem with them, it often reflect the problem throughout deep beneath in the system, amongst country cricketers, administration, fan following. They need a good opener to partner Vijay. The stress must be on to develop and find good openers. Systems must be put in place to groom quality spinners. Bowlers at all levels should train to bowl with discipline and consistency all the time. They can't be bowling one or two ball balls every over (it may not be punished with a four by lesser batsmen in domestic cricket, but in international cricket it would be). If you slide down the leg-side or bowl short and wide on offside in domestic cricket, it would continue in international matches also. There are lot of take home message from this series, not only for the team, but also for BCCI (I doubt they pay heed to anything), domestic players and also followers at home.

  • Cric_fan1000 on August 17, 2014, 18:40 GMT

    I hope Dhoni is sacked as test captain at least now.

  • fair_paly_1 on August 17, 2014, 18:38 GMT

    England demolish India in 29 overs which is just about one complete session. Despite that, as usual, Dhoni gives no credit to the opposition and keeps moaning about their own performance.

  • SpaMaster on August 17, 2014, 18:35 GMT

    wolf777: It is not one particular individual's fault. The series was basically lost because of the batsmen. But these batsmen are young, they are not just flat-track bullies, they have already shown good performance overseas, in South Africa and New Zealand (Australia too in case of Kohli). But these are unique English conditions and these young batsmen were caught on wrong foot and they would correct it in future. But there are problems that run deep, not just till the captain or coach. The BCCI has to take a lot of blame for the way they administer cricket. If one opener fails, look at the back-up opener! If we think our batting line-up is out of form and want to strengthen with an extra batsman from bench-strength, look who we have got. Rohit Sharma! That guy is a total waste, a total mess in terms of temperament and attitude. It also goes back to the quality of cricketers we have back home and the value system amongst the followers. (contd.)

  • on August 17, 2014, 18:33 GMT

    well the buck will again be lost as India will play few ODI and win few and at end everyone forgets this drubbings. Will be really surprised if BCCI will present a tough stand for this losses. Otherwise its a same old story so frends yawn and go to sleep.

  • vj3478 on August 17, 2014, 18:24 GMT

    No explanation can justify the performance. Period.

  • Harry31j on August 17, 2014, 18:17 GMT

    There are a lot of question marks over Duncan Fletcher. He came to the side which had won world cup, had no 1 test ranking & was competitive in ODIs on previous overseas tours- CB series win 2009 & 2-3 loss to South Africa in 2010-11. Though there were some gains during his time they were far outweighed by the losses, 13 losses, 3 draws & 1 win in overseas tests. Limited overs cricket wasn't very good either on away tours- 0-3 in England 2011, the rotation debacle that was CB series 2012, 0-2 South Africa 2013 & 0-4 New Zealand. Only consolation on away tours was Champions trophy & a tri-series in West Indies. This is the legacy he'll live behind. Granted coach isn't everything, but surely this is as bad a portfolio as a coach can have. Where do we go from here, particularly since we're unlikely to change the coach one year before world cup?

  • RahulGandhi on August 17, 2014, 18:11 GMT

    well thankfully this stupid 5 day non-sense is over. I do not understand why these player waste 5 days in a test match when they can play 15 T20 matches. India should take initiative to stop playing test cricket and should only play IPL !!!

  • on August 17, 2014, 18:09 GMT

    Well said @glen1. A true fan of team India.

  • yogesh.gg on August 17, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    glen1 on (August 17, 2014, 17:19 GMT) : Test cricket is purist form of cricket and there are people who like to watch it too. Why can't India make separate team for Tests and groom it properly.

  • PatrickJM on August 17, 2014, 18:02 GMT

    India have always been appalling tourists. However, this result is especially pretty bad in that they were playing against a team beaten by Sri Lanka and coming off and Ashes hammering with their captain under severe pressure; and they came with a touring team which is the most moneyed in the world, from the most populous cricketing nation and backed by the most influential body in the game. There is evidently a lot of good will for test cricket in India. In the Indian set up however is another issue.

  • on August 17, 2014, 17:57 GMT

    The tide turned in the Third Test when Jajeda dropped an out of form Cook very early in his innings, and Bell at zero was given not out when he was plumb LBW. Cook and Bell made hugh scores and gained back confidence.

    I hope good sense will prevail at the BCCI, and they accept DRS.

  • sanji23 on August 17, 2014, 17:51 GMT

    I believe that Duncan Fletcher has to go;not that he is a bad coach,he just is not the right coach at the very moment.He is the quiet type of guy who would be perfect to have for senior players in the team.India needs a coach who stands up.Plus let Dhoni go.He clearly has no desire to play Tests anymore.Give Rahane a chance.

  • ShanNachimuthu on August 17, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    Thanks MSD for your brave confession. Yes, your team never competed in this series and never it will be. Better keep yourself away from test cricket. The same kind of result can be expected in limited over series also. Even this may affect your world cup campaign.

  • FiGhtCluB_99 on August 17, 2014, 17:48 GMT

    The Indian Test team needs to be built from scratch. There's such a large talent pool in the country, but the selectors never look beyond the tried-and-tested failures. Sack Dhoni and Fletcher, to start with. The team needs fresh ideas.

  • on August 17, 2014, 17:48 GMT

    Lack of attitude would perhaps be the problem for India. These young players had trusted and burdened the senior players so much. After a time, their confidence became dependent on the senior players. Now in the absence of senior players, they are lacking the confidence. They have had a poor attitude during the past few seasons.

  • on August 17, 2014, 17:47 GMT

    India needs to develop pace friendly wickets at home - no other way to play pace better - outside off stump deliveries that straighten - Indians couldn't play them at all...

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 17, 2014, 17:45 GMT

    Congratulations to England on this comprehensive test series victory!

    India now - It started with 0-4 in England, then 0-4 in Australia, 1-2 in India, 0-1 in SA, 0-1 in New Zealand and now it is 1-3 in England again. Team Dhoni-Fletcher came a full circle with no change in the series results. At least now, can we sack this failed combination so that we can get rid-off whatever flawed processes they are implementing? If the process (aka preparation) is sound, results will be positive. If the process is flawed, results will be negative. Just the way, if you don't prepare properly for your exam, you won't get a good score in your exam. Is it not? And also, the way you prepare for one exam is not the same as you prepare for another. Exam Oriented Preparation is the key. And this combo has no clue; apparently!

    Or did Jadeja-Anderson verdict and the subsequent English press headlines demoralize the squad completely?

    IMO, this current drubbing is a combination of all of the above!

  • on August 17, 2014, 17:42 GMT

    In last 2 tests India's 1st 4 wickets make following impacts on scoreboard. 8/4, 61/4, 28/4, 45/4. It is hard but BCCI should not select any batsman for test who is currently participating in IPL. Further more some questions are teasing me: 1. Why Indian Bowlers are bowling with Slip fielders? 2. Why England wasted time but not declaring once they get the lead of 150? 3. Why crowd paid for 5 day match ticket?

  • rk_ks on August 17, 2014, 17:42 GMT

    Ya enjoy the game and keep on losing always. Don't analyze where it went wrong. Have a beer, relax and forget it and repeat the same in Australia again. And again tell it's important that you enjoy the game. Don't take any action against this worst display of batting in decades.

  • on August 17, 2014, 17:37 GMT

    4 years back lost all 4 in Eng as well as in Aus. This time lost even worst than last time. Last two tests were lost by an innings, and last innings didn't last for even for 50 overs. What our batters need, preparation for a decade or what? A big question: What will happen to these guys when they will face MJ in Aus!? Looking at their game, i can only understand that, the respect about Test Cricket is just not there.

  • Alexk400 on August 17, 2014, 17:35 GMT

    Can we get rid of duncan fletcher now. The money going to him like throwing water in ocean. People never listen. I told after 4-0 test series loss last time. He is worse than greg chappell

  • on August 17, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    This humiliation is big wake up call for Team India. Its high time to make some radical changes in team. Improve the playing condition in domestic setup and make it even condition for bowlers and batsmen.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 17, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    Very lethargic, low moral performance from India. Dhoni walking so mechanically behind the stumps whilst fielding pretty much summed up the team spirit out there; is he carrying an injury or what? The batting was just non-existent; not one of the guys, young or old, willing to hang in there for a while and at least try to hold together some sort of innings. What on Earth are they going to do against a fired up, in form Australian side?

  • wolf777 on August 17, 2014, 17:28 GMT

    Well, who's fault it is? Where does the buck stop? It's not the first time this has happed. These overseas surrenders have become a routine over last 2-3 years or so and hard to stomach for us the India fans. The captain, the coach and the selection committee members need to step up and take the responsibility and come up with a plan to address issues.

  • glen1 on August 17, 2014, 17:19 GMT

    After the dust settles down; BCCI & Dhoni need to make a quick assessment. The outcome should be that India plays only two test series from now on, concentrates on one-day cricket and IPL, and crowds should be entertained. All this talk of IPL as the cause of this demise is rubbish; the loss to GNP playing the long format game is tremendous. Further, the players used to short formats should not be put through this five test nonsense.

  • on August 17, 2014, 17:12 GMT

    Meanwhile, Dhoni has 7 days of rest now!!!

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  • on August 17, 2014, 17:12 GMT

    Meanwhile, Dhoni has 7 days of rest now!!!

  • glen1 on August 17, 2014, 17:19 GMT

    After the dust settles down; BCCI & Dhoni need to make a quick assessment. The outcome should be that India plays only two test series from now on, concentrates on one-day cricket and IPL, and crowds should be entertained. All this talk of IPL as the cause of this demise is rubbish; the loss to GNP playing the long format game is tremendous. Further, the players used to short formats should not be put through this five test nonsense.

  • wolf777 on August 17, 2014, 17:28 GMT

    Well, who's fault it is? Where does the buck stop? It's not the first time this has happed. These overseas surrenders have become a routine over last 2-3 years or so and hard to stomach for us the India fans. The captain, the coach and the selection committee members need to step up and take the responsibility and come up with a plan to address issues.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 17, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    Very lethargic, low moral performance from India. Dhoni walking so mechanically behind the stumps whilst fielding pretty much summed up the team spirit out there; is he carrying an injury or what? The batting was just non-existent; not one of the guys, young or old, willing to hang in there for a while and at least try to hold together some sort of innings. What on Earth are they going to do against a fired up, in form Australian side?

  • on August 17, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    This humiliation is big wake up call for Team India. Its high time to make some radical changes in team. Improve the playing condition in domestic setup and make it even condition for bowlers and batsmen.

  • Alexk400 on August 17, 2014, 17:35 GMT

    Can we get rid of duncan fletcher now. The money going to him like throwing water in ocean. People never listen. I told after 4-0 test series loss last time. He is worse than greg chappell

  • on August 17, 2014, 17:37 GMT

    4 years back lost all 4 in Eng as well as in Aus. This time lost even worst than last time. Last two tests were lost by an innings, and last innings didn't last for even for 50 overs. What our batters need, preparation for a decade or what? A big question: What will happen to these guys when they will face MJ in Aus!? Looking at their game, i can only understand that, the respect about Test Cricket is just not there.

  • rk_ks on August 17, 2014, 17:42 GMT

    Ya enjoy the game and keep on losing always. Don't analyze where it went wrong. Have a beer, relax and forget it and repeat the same in Australia again. And again tell it's important that you enjoy the game. Don't take any action against this worst display of batting in decades.

  • on August 17, 2014, 17:42 GMT

    In last 2 tests India's 1st 4 wickets make following impacts on scoreboard. 8/4, 61/4, 28/4, 45/4. It is hard but BCCI should not select any batsman for test who is currently participating in IPL. Further more some questions are teasing me: 1. Why Indian Bowlers are bowling with Slip fielders? 2. Why England wasted time but not declaring once they get the lead of 150? 3. Why crowd paid for 5 day match ticket?

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 17, 2014, 17:45 GMT

    Congratulations to England on this comprehensive test series victory!

    India now - It started with 0-4 in England, then 0-4 in Australia, 1-2 in India, 0-1 in SA, 0-1 in New Zealand and now it is 1-3 in England again. Team Dhoni-Fletcher came a full circle with no change in the series results. At least now, can we sack this failed combination so that we can get rid-off whatever flawed processes they are implementing? If the process (aka preparation) is sound, results will be positive. If the process is flawed, results will be negative. Just the way, if you don't prepare properly for your exam, you won't get a good score in your exam. Is it not? And also, the way you prepare for one exam is not the same as you prepare for another. Exam Oriented Preparation is the key. And this combo has no clue; apparently!

    Or did Jadeja-Anderson verdict and the subsequent English press headlines demoralize the squad completely?

    IMO, this current drubbing is a combination of all of the above!