Pakistan v South Africa, Champions Trophy warm-up, The Oval June 3, 2013

Efficient Pakistan ease to facile win

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Pakistan 207 for 4 (Farhat 56, Hafeez 54 retired) beat South Africa 202 for 9 (McLaren 55, Duminy 43, Wahab 3-30, Asad 3-30) by six wickets
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There were enough Pakistan supporters at The Oval to give the impression that this warm-up ahead of the Champions Trophy mattered, but in essence it was pointless, not just in terms of the group stages but also in the general scheme of things.

Pakistan will claim a psychological advantage after breezing to a six-wicket victory against South Africa with more than four overs to spare, they were vastly superior throughout and their supporters celebrated a well-drilled victory with their usual enthusiasm, but it will not much matter in the morning.

These sides meet again at Edgbaston in a floodlit affair in Group B in a week's time, but if Pakistan's comprehensive victory will ensure they will go into the match with their confidence high, it will all count for little the moment the real match begins.

AB de Villiers, not surprisingly, took such a view. With South Africa so comprehensively beaten, he would have been a fool not to. "It's not about the result, it's about what you get out of it. I am sure each guy will stand up when the time is right. I think Pakistan's loss in South Africa will have affected them more than us today. That was a competitive series; this was just a warm-up game."

South Africa beat Pakistan 3-2 in that series but it was a scratchy series victory which provided further evidence that their dominance in Test cricket is not replicated in the one-day game.

Of more concern to South Africa will be the state of Dale Steyn's back. "It's a bit stiff and sore - we will reassess it in the morning," de Villiers said. Steyn departed at the end of the fifth over, clutching his side, but it could have just been that he does not like warm-ups, especially a warm-up which included his loss of a bouncer battle with Nasir Jamshed, who got two in three balls, top-edged the first one and then hooked the second over fine leg for six.

It is an odd thing that the top eight teams in the world are in England for the Champions Trophy and that some of them are practising against each other a few days before the off, but not in any sort of meaningful way, in the nonsensical "15-a-side, bat and field 11" hybrid that is gradually gaining currency as a way to provide decent practice, while quietly undermining the game in the process.

Pakistan rested arguably their two most threatening bowlers, Saeed Ajmal and Mohammad Irfan and took a look at the rest of their attack. It was a shrewder move than playing all 15 and they were not complaining when they made good use of helpful bowling conditions and reduced South Africa to 83 for 7 after 22 overs.

But South Africa did field 15 and, when that happens, the best XI almost invariably get to bat. With JP Duminy coming in at No 8 and Ryan McLaren one place lower, their position was in essence stronger than it appeared. The eighth wicket added 94 in 23 overs and South Africa escaped to the sort of score that gave Pakistan some decent batting practice.

That did not scrub out Pakistan's good memories in the field. Hashim Amla lasted only two balls before Junaid Khan had him lbw. Colin Ingram took a single to Misbah-ul-Haq which was presumably based on the Always Run To The Oldest Player In The Tournament theory, only to find that his stumps were thrown down at the non-striker's end.

Asad Ali bowled a decent new-ball spell and finished with 3 for 30, while Wahab Riaz, who took identical figures, responded to his destruction of South Africa's middle order - Faf du Plessis, Farhaan Behardien and David Miller within the space of four overs - by fist-pumping celebrations that he would struggle to beat were he to take wickets in the final itself.

When Pakistan batted, life continued to go swimmingly. Jamshed ran himself out carelessly, a direct hit by Amla from midwicket, but Imran Farhat batted capably, Mohammad Hafeez retired out with a half-century to his name and the most outlandish dismissal of all, suffered by Asad Shafiq, as the bowler Lonwabo Tsotsobe freakishly parried his drive to Aaron Phangiso at mid-off raised merely an eyebrow or two.

Somehow, cricket just about gets away with these low-intensity games. The warm-ups have been deliberately under-promoted so as not to devalue the real tournament, but TV still provides live coverage of this cricketing wallpaper and treats it with fake seriousness. The matches are played with a respectable level of intent and, who knows, some players might even be playing for their places, but there is no discernible tension. The game just floats by in a vaguely harmless manner.

Pakistan's tour of Scotland and Ireland, and South Africa's warm-up in the Netherlands were proper warm-ups, offering the chance of an upset that matters. So, too, the series between England and New Zealand. The game would have better served if other warm-up matches had taken place against the counties, offering further chance of a spot of giant-killing, but there is so much cricket in England you could not have trusted the counties to put out full-strength sides and no doubt the telly would not have liked it.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • on June 3, 2013, 21:32 GMT

    South Africa can put a brave face on this loss, truth is it will effect them for sure, Pakistan weren't too far behind in the ODI series either if that is what South Africa are hinting at it was 3-2. South Africa no doubt has a great battery of quicks to be confident, Pakistan on their part will be pretty confident of their attack too, its the batting where south Africa had the edge in South Africa and without Smith and Kallis both, the gap is far less than it was in South Africa, I still think, if Pakistan manage to beat South Africa again they will advance to the next round along with one of India or England. India is in the drivers seat by virtue of their batting strength they can CHASE anything you throw at them, they are scary strong in batting but India will time and again be also vulnerable to any total being gettable against their bowling. That's cricket for you this will be fun and being a Pakistan fan I hope this year, Pakistan are left holding the cup! best of luck.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on June 10, 2013, 4:35 GMT

    @Hamony111. I agree with you as it is proved now! ;)

  • codegreen on June 5, 2013, 11:05 GMT

    the main problem with hafeez is he doesnt rotate the strike well....

  • Sports4Youth on June 5, 2013, 10:09 GMT

    I am happy for Asad Ali. I hope he is picked as the right arm seamer in the CT matches. Junaid and Irfan are good for the left arm seamers spots.

    What mean is that though Wahab has picked up 3 wickets, but he should not get picked. Wahab is expesive. Goes for plently with getting too many wickets. But most importantly if Wahab is picked at the cost of the economical and effective Asad then it completely destroys the balance of the team. Makes all seamers left armers only, that is not good for variety. Otherwise if Wahad is picked at the cost of Irfan then I think the spectators will just shut the TVs.

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  • dontlikecricket on June 5, 2013, 10:00 GMT

    Fans moaning about Afridi, Umar Akmal, Umar Gul not being in team have not been probably watching cricket for last 18 months or so. Its correct Afridi and Gul have performed in some matches but they are far in between and you cant select a player if they show performance in one or two matches out of 20 or so. Strangely despite lack of experienced fast bowlers PAK attack is definitely best out of all the Asian teams. Current fast bowlers particularly Juniad and Irfan are very good and talented (Amir should also be back in 2 years or so) so future of fast bowling is bright. PAK is traditionally a decent tournament team so I will not be surprised if PAK gets into semi finals.

  • Sundara-Chandare on June 5, 2013, 7:02 GMT

    @Fast_Track_Bully-No i disagree you.Our[IND] bowling attack is the most mediocre attack in this CT.Our players can only bat on flat tracks.PAK is far better team than us.

  • Jinasoma on June 5, 2013, 5:28 GMT

    Good luck to PAK.PAK have good attacking bowling lineup than SL or PAK.Well done and Good luck.--SL fan.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on June 5, 2013, 4:54 GMT

    Pakistan is a mediocre batting unit with some average bowling and pathetic fielding. They cannot expect any win in the CT.

  • on June 4, 2013, 19:09 GMT

    There is no point reading too much into this practice match. The South Africans did not take it at all seriously as shown by their careless batting, bowling and fielding. There were rash shots played, run out, no balls and dropped catches. On the other hand it was a reasonable work out for TEAM PAKISTAN apart from Nasir Jamshed who ran himself out and Asad Shafiq who looked totally out of place in the ODI squad. I am not convinced he is not an ODI player. I would prefer Umar Amin who looked good when batting instead of Shafiq in the final XI. Also I understand Amin is a useful medium pace bowler and could be effective under English conditions. Hafeez played too many loose shots and gave chances. For the good of TEAM PAKISTAN he should not bat number 3 but lower down the batting order. My XI for the match against West Indies would be: 1. Jamshed, 2. Farhat, 3. Malik, 4. Umar Amin, 5. Misbah, 6. Hafeez, 7. Kamran. 8. Wahab, 9. Ajmal, 10. Junaid, 11. Irfan / Asad.

  • on June 4, 2013, 13:20 GMT

    The writer of this report could not hide his bias against Pakistan. He looks pretty upset with Pakistan's win. I think ESPN Cricinfo must take notice of this write up. David Hopps is a senior journalist and this type of bias does not suite him. This piece also points the future course of action of British Media regarding Pakistani cricket team

  • on June 3, 2013, 21:32 GMT

    South Africa can put a brave face on this loss, truth is it will effect them for sure, Pakistan weren't too far behind in the ODI series either if that is what South Africa are hinting at it was 3-2. South Africa no doubt has a great battery of quicks to be confident, Pakistan on their part will be pretty confident of their attack too, its the batting where south Africa had the edge in South Africa and without Smith and Kallis both, the gap is far less than it was in South Africa, I still think, if Pakistan manage to beat South Africa again they will advance to the next round along with one of India or England. India is in the drivers seat by virtue of their batting strength they can CHASE anything you throw at them, they are scary strong in batting but India will time and again be also vulnerable to any total being gettable against their bowling. That's cricket for you this will be fun and being a Pakistan fan I hope this year, Pakistan are left holding the cup! best of luck.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on June 10, 2013, 4:35 GMT

    @Hamony111. I agree with you as it is proved now! ;)

  • codegreen on June 5, 2013, 11:05 GMT

    the main problem with hafeez is he doesnt rotate the strike well....

  • Sports4Youth on June 5, 2013, 10:09 GMT

    I am happy for Asad Ali. I hope he is picked as the right arm seamer in the CT matches. Junaid and Irfan are good for the left arm seamers spots.

    What mean is that though Wahab has picked up 3 wickets, but he should not get picked. Wahab is expesive. Goes for plently with getting too many wickets. But most importantly if Wahab is picked at the cost of the economical and effective Asad then it completely destroys the balance of the team. Makes all seamers left armers only, that is not good for variety. Otherwise if Wahad is picked at the cost of Irfan then I think the spectators will just shut the TVs.

    .

  • dontlikecricket on June 5, 2013, 10:00 GMT

    Fans moaning about Afridi, Umar Akmal, Umar Gul not being in team have not been probably watching cricket for last 18 months or so. Its correct Afridi and Gul have performed in some matches but they are far in between and you cant select a player if they show performance in one or two matches out of 20 or so. Strangely despite lack of experienced fast bowlers PAK attack is definitely best out of all the Asian teams. Current fast bowlers particularly Juniad and Irfan are very good and talented (Amir should also be back in 2 years or so) so future of fast bowling is bright. PAK is traditionally a decent tournament team so I will not be surprised if PAK gets into semi finals.

  • Sundara-Chandare on June 5, 2013, 7:02 GMT

    @Fast_Track_Bully-No i disagree you.Our[IND] bowling attack is the most mediocre attack in this CT.Our players can only bat on flat tracks.PAK is far better team than us.

  • Jinasoma on June 5, 2013, 5:28 GMT

    Good luck to PAK.PAK have good attacking bowling lineup than SL or PAK.Well done and Good luck.--SL fan.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on June 5, 2013, 4:54 GMT

    Pakistan is a mediocre batting unit with some average bowling and pathetic fielding. They cannot expect any win in the CT.

  • on June 4, 2013, 19:09 GMT

    There is no point reading too much into this practice match. The South Africans did not take it at all seriously as shown by their careless batting, bowling and fielding. There were rash shots played, run out, no balls and dropped catches. On the other hand it was a reasonable work out for TEAM PAKISTAN apart from Nasir Jamshed who ran himself out and Asad Shafiq who looked totally out of place in the ODI squad. I am not convinced he is not an ODI player. I would prefer Umar Amin who looked good when batting instead of Shafiq in the final XI. Also I understand Amin is a useful medium pace bowler and could be effective under English conditions. Hafeez played too many loose shots and gave chances. For the good of TEAM PAKISTAN he should not bat number 3 but lower down the batting order. My XI for the match against West Indies would be: 1. Jamshed, 2. Farhat, 3. Malik, 4. Umar Amin, 5. Misbah, 6. Hafeez, 7. Kamran. 8. Wahab, 9. Ajmal, 10. Junaid, 11. Irfan / Asad.

  • on June 4, 2013, 13:20 GMT

    The writer of this report could not hide his bias against Pakistan. He looks pretty upset with Pakistan's win. I think ESPN Cricinfo must take notice of this write up. David Hopps is a senior journalist and this type of bias does not suite him. This piece also points the future course of action of British Media regarding Pakistani cricket team

  • on June 4, 2013, 12:22 GMT

    I cant understand why is the author so negative about Pakistan winning this game, why did he mention again and again and yet again that the game didnt matter! Come on, cricket is played for the sake of cricket.

  • MeeraMohiddin on June 4, 2013, 12:20 GMT

    Well executed team performance from men in green.

  • Yasir26352 on June 4, 2013, 12:14 GMT

    gomd win. But i think wining combition is 1.nasir 2.kamran 3.hafeez 4.asad 5.misbah 6.malik 7.amin 8.wahib 9.ajmal 10.junaid 11 irfan/asad ali

  • andrew27994 on June 4, 2013, 11:27 GMT

    @Baseball-Sucks : I can understand that you don't like the Indian team or its supporters. But calling them mediocre is very unwise considering they have gotten the better off SL in recent times especially in SL. And don't be so quick to call WI a mediocre team either. So far WI have got a great start to their innings. They have the cleanest strikers of the game in their side who can hurt any opposition if they get solid starts. None of the teams in this tournament can be considered underdogs. Even NZ did the unexpected by thrashing Eng in their own backyard.

  • andrew27994 on June 4, 2013, 11:20 GMT

    Outstanding performance from Pakistan. They always pull off surprises like this. After an ordinary performance against Ireland, I have to admit I wasn't expecting them to beat South Africa in this fashion. They have a pool of great fast bowlers. If their batsmen remain consistent in this tournament, then they can surely win this tournament.

  • on June 4, 2013, 11:07 GMT

    Happy to see pakistan win the match...this will give them confidence..they will win CT if their batting clicks in every match .:)

  • Harmony111 on June 4, 2013, 10:41 GMT

    I agree that a warm up match is just a warm up and should not be taken too seriously but at the same time I cannot overlook the way this author has gone out of the way to devote the first three para of this article is trashing Pak's win over SA today and then devoted one more para to trash the entire concept of warm up matches.

    For sure warm ups do not have too many viewers but still, a small but dedicated hardcore Cricket fans still watch them. I watched many many overs of the Ind-SL & Pak-SA warm-ups, to an extent of around 40%.

    Pak played well and did well to reduce SA to 80/6. That was awesome, aided by some stupid shot making/running by SA batsmen. Pak's batting was even better and they would have taken home a lot of satisfaction with this warm-up win. This is why I find the tone of this article a bit off-putting.

    Cricinfo, why don't you add a feature of rating the article? High time don't you think?

  • vallavarayar on June 4, 2013, 10:30 GMT

    Its there in the name. It is a warm up.

  • ac_Indian on June 4, 2013, 10:21 GMT

    It was a good noteworthy performance by pakistani bowlers, even if it was a warm up game.

  • xylofon on June 4, 2013, 9:58 GMT

    Missionbegins: anyone can figure out it doesnt mean you win the cup because you win the warmup matches - even paks stats say differently, they lose them and win the cup: t20 CW 2009 - english conditions.

    What is being said by several people here is that SA cant just write this loss off considering they just played ODI series against pak. And pherhaps more importantly, losing is one thing, being crushed is another. And that is what happened to SA as soon as they stepped outside the green tracks of home.

  • Shouldas-Wouldas-Couldas on June 4, 2013, 9:57 GMT

    Despite ring rusty (rather out of sorts) Proteas, "Manner & Ease" of Pakistan's victory ( without Ajmal-the magician ) augurs well for the real stuff ! From what we saw, S.A. have a mountain to climb. Closely matched teams make it a fiercely competitive affair and case can be made for most the teams.

  • SherjilIslam on June 4, 2013, 9:48 GMT

    Not reading too much into this win or India's 334 chased win over SL. The pressure in a CT match would be completely different and the sub-continent teams like Pakistan and India can easily succumb to the big match pressure. Looking forward for June-6 clash Ind V SA.

  • missionbegins2011 on June 4, 2013, 8:58 GMT

    Absolutely inconsequential result, for eg SA lost their practice match against PAK in 2007 WC & guess what PAK crashed out in the first round losing to the likes of IRE while SA made it to semis. Similarly AUS lost both their practice matches in 2011 WC, they managed to reach QF. Not to mention PAK has a disastrous record in ODI vs SA i.e they have a W/L ratio of 20/41 which is a dismal 32.78 %.

  • on June 4, 2013, 8:54 GMT

    In the warm-up matches you try things and see what you can do. To get to grips with the climate, pitch conditions and tactics. When the real thing starts there is no place for 50/50 things.

  • M.Khan95 on June 4, 2013, 8:52 GMT

    To all those who are defending South Africa's mediocre performance by saying that it was just a warm-up match and that their players were playing half-heartedly, what do you have to say about the fact that almost all their fast bowlers bowled no-balls? :/ were they practicing for the final event? they, arguably, have the best bowling attack and i was disappointed to see lack of precision in their bowling, this isnt even how you bowl in the nets people. whereas, the new commers from pakistan showed impeccable discipline in their line and line, reducing the proteas to 83-7, at the same time steyn gun struggled. just so you all know i am a HUGE steyn fan.

  • on June 4, 2013, 8:34 GMT

    Proteas batting failed, and a lot of lose shots were played. the fact that JP batted at 8 shows that SA wanted to give others the opportunity to bat. Wins in warm-up matches does not ensure you the cup. Lets see what happens on the day and not speculate what are going to happen. Who can see into the future? Give me the lotto numbers please.

  • Baseball-Sucks on June 4, 2013, 8:27 GMT

    Well done Pakistan !!! Take this winning streak all the way. I'm a fan of Hafeez n It was great to see him batting well. It will be a piece of cake for you to make it to the semis as you will easily beat other mediocre teams like India n W'indies. But you never know how it will go against SA even though you managed to pull it off today. Anyway Best of Luck !!!!! - SL fan -

  • popped on June 4, 2013, 7:58 GMT

    Both teams showed much more purpose in this game than the first warm up match, they played it closer to a real game , the notable exception was kamran akmal, & SA perhaps dropped off the intensity towards the end.

    I feel IND Vs SL match both teams concentrated more on the batting alone , when they should have kept up the intensity on their weaker bowling departments,intensity in the bowling was lacking these are after all valuable warmup matches as this is a short tournament. Pakistan overall will be happy,saffers well rather less so it was a weak show even for a warm up, one wonders if their match against Netherlands had an effect or not (complacency ?) perhaps , tme to pull their socks up

  • xylofon on June 4, 2013, 7:46 GMT

    Its so strange to read that the game didnt matter. I wonder if Pakistan would have lost would they write that obviously the game matters since these two teams just played a tight ODI series? (In which Pakistan won the 6th game which was 50 overs for practice, Pakistanis vs South Africans).

    Truth is Pakistan won even when they rested their two best bowlers.

    Tuk Tuk has to go. But not to make way for Umar Akmal. U Akmals problem is maturity. He has the shots, but not the maturity. You can never teach a person to not play irresponsible shots when the team desperately needs you - no matter how much cricket you know. In the heat of the moment you have to do what they moment requires. Akmal failed that over and over and over again. He can return because he is talented, but T H R OW him out the second he plays an irresponsible shot.

    Nasir Jamshed is a star but needs to focus on long innings. Dont get mixed up in ego battles. Just do the job, there are many formats and games ahead.

  • wakaPAK on June 4, 2013, 7:17 GMT

    If you are in the middle and fighting against an international team with all of your top players in your team, then it's not a joke. You always want to win, no matter the match result counts or not. SA's 9 top batsmen were dismissed for 202 and they should worry about it because in real match the score card would be less than 120 runs.

  • on June 4, 2013, 7:05 GMT

    How can this writer say Pakistan gained a psychological advantage, and then turn around an say the game was inconsequential? If Pakistan gains a psychological advantage, does this somehow not matter??

  • on June 4, 2013, 6:59 GMT

    being a pakistani i must say it feels great 2 see da much needed encourgmnt commin from da indian fans,i thank u guys from da core of my heart n love cricket 4 being da drivin force dat brings us closer n closer,,,,,

  • Biggus on June 4, 2013, 6:49 GMT

    Pakistan are always dangerous, but firing consistently enough to win this tournament is the issue. On their day they can beat anyone, and one would be foolish in the extreme to write them off, but most of the time their propensity to self-destruct sees them as exciting but under performing wild cards. They're great to watch though, like a high powered speedboat with a broken rudder, and the international game wouldn't be the same without them.

  • on June 4, 2013, 6:40 GMT

    pak. players themselves played slow...this was to practice on the britain pitches...to overcome their batting problems in eng. ....moreover they played well..if they continue like this then they can easy get the trophy

  • jmcilhinney on June 4, 2013, 6:28 GMT

    It's a warmup and, therefore, the actual result doesn't matter but I'm sure that SA won't be happy nonetheless. People eventually started using the word "choke" every time SA didn't win a game but that tag originated from the fact that they regularly entered international limited-overs tournaments as one of the favourites but performed poorly and were out early. Here we are again, at an international tournament with SA one of the favourites, so they will want to perform significantly better than they did here during the tournament proper. If they don't make the semi-finals and at least play well there then that "choker" tag will continue to dog them. That's not to say that I expect that they will do badly just because of this game, but they probably have more to prove than any other team except maybe England, who are performing at least as poorly right now in games that carry more weight than these warmups.

  • jmcilhinney on June 4, 2013, 6:20 GMT

    @latecut_04 on (June 4, 2013, 5:27 GMT), maybe NZ would disagree with you there.

  • jmcilhinney on June 4, 2013, 6:19 GMT

    This game was as pointless or not as any warmup game, which is to say that it's a very good idea to play them but the actual results matter little to nought. After having a relatively tough time against Ireland though, I'm sure Pakistan will feel better to have got the better of one of the teams actually playing in the CT.

  • on June 4, 2013, 5:45 GMT

    @Muhammad Rizwaan: The argument is that these games are being televised and commentated as if they were meaningful. They are not. At one point one of the commentators was saying that the slow batting in the middle overs by South Africa was indicative of the downfall of the ODI! It's a warm-up match. The wickets and runs don't count toward official stats. These should be played behind closed doors or triangular/quadrangular series should be organised before the tournament starts.

  • ifrakurshid on June 4, 2013, 5:40 GMT

    yes win is a win to start for Pakistan but their slow run making continue after first 3 players Asad and Misbah could not maintain the initial average of 5 run per over which was not good for a good team in such a tournament scoring fast with good run rate after the fall or retirment of top 3 players should continue if the top order have not collasped here tuk tuk takes the team down and players like Omar Akmal comes to mind. Pak a weak and unreliaible batting line up compare to bowling they should always field first in this tournament and managed to keep others to 200-250 runs for a possible run chase and victory batting first is not their cup of tea unless players like Omar Akmal joins the fold to replace tuk tuk and company.

  • on June 4, 2013, 5:32 GMT

    Batting is our weakness 45 overs just to get to 202 is really slow. You can't always rely on the bowlers.

  • latecut_04 on June 4, 2013, 5:27 GMT

    There was a lot of talk abot the 'conditions' in England being favourable to bowling and so far Pakistan has been the ONLY side to justify that.English bowlers failed miserably in a current international series and SL and Ind bowlers were not far behind in the only practice match they played(although pitch seemed a belter in that match).Pakistan was always predicted to be brittle in batting.The key to Pakistan success is whether they can maintain their good run with the bat during CT.Bowling should take care of itself and i will not be surprised if more sides lose half their batsmen before they score 100 against Pak.In fact SA did well to score 200+ but Pakistan was clinical yesterday..will they be in the business end of the tournament?i really hope they will (like in WC99)and this is from India...

  • on June 4, 2013, 5:13 GMT

    i realy think that with out boom boom pakistan willgoing to suffer

  • on June 4, 2013, 4:26 GMT

    I appreciate ICC rules of allowing all 15 to play in a warm-up game. If one side can use most of their batsmen, the opposition can do the same so it still balances the equation and its the best way to give some match practice to players who probably are sitting on the bench most of the time. The argument in this article is not well supported by any meaningful logic.

  • SaadRocx on June 4, 2013, 3:44 GMT

    good by pak,as all the wickets were taken by pace...:) batting still mediocre...tho.!!!

  • ReverseSwingMaster on June 4, 2013, 3:44 GMT

    @ Harshad K Trivedi, Jared Hansen, Chris_P : If you look at PAK batting scorecard you will see that they are 3 down + Hafeez is retired out. When MISBAH and UMAR was batting, scorecard was showing that they are 3 down ( Hafeez was not counted as OUT ). Now after win they are 4 down??? Can somebody explain that???

  • on June 4, 2013, 3:27 GMT

    At some given point pakistan will pay for not choosing Shahid Afridi.. and Umar Gul.. Pakistan middle order will wobble.. for sure.. Mis you lala in a great competition like this..

  • on June 4, 2013, 3:25 GMT

    Just proves that on their better days, Pakistan can best the very best. This is a team brimming with talent. If they could be more consistent, then the world could be theirs.

  • on June 4, 2013, 3:23 GMT

    I think pakistan is the underdogs of this tournament because they dont have big guns like afridi,razzaq etc,but i think that instead of big guns there are small pistols which are good than enough to lift the trophy.South africa, i think there batting is a bit of inexpexperienced and they will make a strong comeback

  • Meety on June 4, 2013, 2:52 GMT

    @David Hopps - what undermines 50 over cricket is meaningless bilateral series that are 4, 5 & 7 matches long! Not a pre-tournament warm up game! @WonkyBail on (June 4, 2013, 0:45 GMT) "....no posts from 'neutrals' on how rubbish they are and have never won an international tournament...." - well that is because they HAVE won an "international tournament" in this format! The very first Champ Trophy - doh! @TheBigBoodha on (June 4, 2013, 0:51 GMT) - not so sure that SA's 2nd stringers are "not that good".

  • Meety on June 4, 2013, 2:45 GMT

    Sorry but Pakistan deservedly got heaps out of this & ABd is kidding himself when he has to talk about the last series they played v Sth Africa. SA were lukewarn against Netherlands. This match just highlighted that when Pakistan are on their game they can beat anybody - unfortunately when they are off - they lose to sides like Scotland! SA's attack looking unimpressive!

  • bobagorof on June 4, 2013, 2:36 GMT

    De Villiers may have tried to downplay this match, but scoring 83 for the loss of 7 first-choice batsmen isn't an encouraging sign regardless of the status of the match. Maybe it won't mean anything next week, but I'm sure the Pakistan bowlers will feel better for the hit-out. I'm not sure the South African players can say the same.

  • Chris_P on June 4, 2013, 2:27 GMT

    @Harshad K Trivedi . I am not sure of what you said. A player can retire hurt & come back at the fall of a later wicket, but "retired out" means your innings is over. I think that is what you meant to have said, but didn't read that way.

  • Chris_P on June 4, 2013, 2:24 GMT

    @ReverseSwingMaster At the risk of placing too much pressure on you, you follow cricket & you ask what "retired out" is? If you're serious, when a batsmen decides to retire & is not injured (where retired hurt means a not out), then he is deemed to have given up his wicket therefore he is out. It is a rarity in first class cricket, ODI, T20s etc at the highest level, nearly always found in practice games or games that don't count towards statistics. Perhaps becoming a master in the laws of cricket along with reverse swing may be of benefit?

  • on June 4, 2013, 2:22 GMT

    I think all the three subcontinent teams will be in the semi final. The fourth team will be Australia. As to SA, if they can not win a tension free warm up match, I fail to understand how will they not choke in the actual matches. i had commented on ABd"S statement to the effect that SA was eying silverware this time and i stad by my comment that SA will not be able to shed the chokers label.

  • on June 4, 2013, 1:48 GMT

    i think S.A shud open with faf he should do fine opening the innings ...

  • Happy_hamster on June 4, 2013, 1:23 GMT

    TheBigBoodha on (June 4, 2013, 0:51 GMT) Good post males a lot of sense, England's second string most certainly not been up to muster and good points on the other teams; I fancy NZ (with Vettori back) as an outside bet, maybe shouldn't mention betting at present ;)

  • Lochana1219 on June 4, 2013, 1:00 GMT

    pakistan played well.....we hope to see exitable match on ind vs pak game...

  • TheBigBoodha on June 4, 2013, 0:51 GMT

    Why would having 15 players interchanging "undermine the game"? This is a very strange article indeed. So the games are not important. Who says you need to have top-billing games all the time? Who says they can't be entertaining? If teams have some warm-up games and a few rules change, so what? It does absolutely nothing to detract from the main tournament.

    What this game showed is why SA don't dominate ODIs. Like England, their second-stringers are not that good - as we saw in Australia not that long ago. It's an open contest though. A lot of teams have displayed very notable weaknesses. SL and India in their bowling, England in their second-string bowlers and the upper order batting strike-rate. SA have a lot of inexperienced players. I still think Australia has the best balanced team overall, but with the unknown factor being whether they will click as a team. PAK and NZ so far have enhanced their reputations. It will be interesting.

  • on June 4, 2013, 0:51 GMT

    I want to see India and Pakistan in the champions trophy 2013 finals

  • WonkyBail on June 4, 2013, 0:45 GMT

    A real hammering for SA yet no posts from 'neutrals' on how rubbish they are and have never won an international tournament- short/selective memories.

  • on June 4, 2013, 0:41 GMT

    @ReverseSwingMaster "Retired out" is when a batsman decides that he has batted long enough and leaves the pitch of his own accord. It generally only happens in warm up matches like this when the team is in a dominant position.

  • on June 4, 2013, 0:38 GMT

    @ReverseSwingMaster...these days a player cannot retire (normally Hurt) and come back and resume his innings, once he retires he is "out" and termed as "retired Out".

  • Zamana on June 4, 2013, 0:34 GMT

    How can you call this a facile win. This was a clinical and efficient victory. It is more remarkable that it was set up without two of the strike bowlers. This should give Pakistan the momentum for the Champions Trophy. It has unearthed some potent talent within the Pakistan team. SA will play with trepidation knowing their vulnerabilities. The Indian team has already had a taste of Pakistan"s aggression a few months ago. Their token win in the last ODI could be described as a facile win. Pakistan Zindabad. Zamana

  • jb633 on June 4, 2013, 0:12 GMT

    Those pundits harping on about conditions are way out. The sun is out (rare for here) and the pitches are all flat as pancakes. I think given the surfaces in this country at the moment the asian sides have a really good chance of doing well. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see India or Pak lift some silverware and Eng/Aus/SA to be found wanting. South Africa's ODI side looks pretty average without Kallis/ Smith but one would still expect them to be competitive, particularly if Amla/ AB fire. England look complete garbage and I can only see an early exit for us. Sri Lanka look weak at the moment and India pretty strong. I think WI could be a good bet with such power hitters in their ranks. If they can find a seam attack that can stick to their plans then they could go all the way. Pakistan with Ajmal and Hafeez have the best ODI spin attack and if their seamers fire as well then they must be in with a great shout.

  • jhabib on June 3, 2013, 23:36 GMT

    This does not prove anything for Pakistan - only that they need a lot more work to be competitive. Remember Ireland? That was an all around miserable performance by Pakistan.

    As a Pakistani, tt saddens me to say this but we have no hope for victory unless we start becoming consistent. Showmen and occasional superstars aside, we need player who can consistently perform, even at an average level.

  • RameshRayaprolu on June 3, 2013, 23:22 GMT

    Awesome ! Looking at the current form of teams, I expect PAK, NZ, ENG in top 4, and I think PAK will take the trophy :) !! they have balanced bowling/batting in their team, and are looking devastating !

  • Karthik78 on June 3, 2013, 23:12 GMT

    Good effort by Pakistan team. Usually they are good at bowling. In addition, they are not part of IPL. This makes they are fresh and new and no batsmen used to their bowling. Otherwise, if you see Malinga's case, he is well read by Indian batsmen (due to more freq. of playing him) and he is no more threat to Indian batsmen and most of batsmen in the world. But he is still good at death overs. So Pakistan is lucky in disguise by not participating in IPL.

  • on June 3, 2013, 22:34 GMT

    Well Done Pakistan Thats Great Victory Against The Giants Of Cricket Nowadays.Dont Know Always 2 Good Bowling Sides Meet In Bowling Wickets When Other Team Is Pakistan Cos Their Batting Is Always Patchy When Chasing A Small Total And I Noted Commentators Trying To Tell Pakistan Dressing Room And To Their Supporter This 200 Runs Are Not Easy To Chase Or Impossible When RSA End Their Innings. India Always Played In Great Batting Conditions Why ????

  • farhan4050 on June 3, 2013, 22:22 GMT

    Jadeja fan : Lol, I can't believe the extent at s which you Indian guys burn. Appreciate the victory. SA gave it's all too. They batted deep too! India as usual isn't gonna win from Pak, and hardly even qualify for the next round. Your bowling is fragile, and your batsmen are worse the Zimbabwe Batsmen when it comes on facing good pace bowling. Best of luck though, you guys really need it.

  • on June 3, 2013, 22:21 GMT

    @Phil Katon learn to read and understand the game. For future reference do not call someone else stupid because you are not so bright.

    15 players means you choose from 15 players. When you are batting you will get 11 players out of 15. those 11 can be all batsmen, all rounder or etc etc. When you are fielding side. You still got 11 players but u can choose them from 15. You can have a batsmen go and rest and bring in substitute for him but that substitute will be allowed to bowl. Thus all players bowlers and batsmen get a chance to play that is why it is called warm up or parctice match.

  • on June 3, 2013, 22:13 GMT

    Umar Amin should play as he showed great conifdence.

  • on June 3, 2013, 21:59 GMT

    Ah - so when SA lose in a meaningless game it's not important (bearing in mind they also lost a home series to New Zealand a couple of months ago) The blinkers come out "SA are good DESPITE losing several games in a row" and some other teams are still poor DESPITE winning several against equal or better opposition... Ok..fair enough.... as long as I understand the agenda (and can make the informed decision to ignore most of what Cricinfo says) we can all move on.

  • MichealT on June 3, 2013, 21:56 GMT

    I agree with the writer on some points but it look like he is a fan of SA and tried to lessen Pak psychological advantage in the real match. On green tops Pak will struggle but at wickets like Oval It is not easy to beat them.

  • swingstowin on June 3, 2013, 21:44 GMT

    Jadejafan: where ever Pakistan ends up after the group matches,that comment just shows you've already hit the bottom.@Ravi Shankar Prasad: haha! bring it on mate!@Stark62: Couldn't agree more sir. Pakistan needs Umar Akmal.

  • on June 3, 2013, 21:30 GMT

    Pakistan' s real test will be in the ChampionS' Trophy matches .

  • Mayan820 on June 3, 2013, 20:38 GMT

    The Proteas only played at half power. We shall see what happens at full power, soon.

  • on June 3, 2013, 20:36 GMT

    well done by the green team//but still i am affraid from our batting line up.in the absence of razzaq ,afridi,u akmal it iz very difficult for pak to win this contest.but still we are hopefull.misbah malik and kamran are the senior guys they should to be perform.shoaib Mohammad karak KPK Pakistan

  • on June 3, 2013, 20:29 GMT

    With this attitude South Africa have already taken one step out the door for any chance to win the cup. India busting their you know what chasing Srilanka's 300 plus score and here you have DeVilliers claiming the result of the warm up game dont matter/count! Lol.

  • on June 3, 2013, 20:01 GMT

    Well done team Pakistan.. Pacers shown great performance.. ehsan adil may kindly b replaced with M.Irfan in league matches..rest is ideal combination...go with 4 pacers..go green (Pakistan)

  • kc69 on June 3, 2013, 19:38 GMT

    Umar Amin looks good compared to Umar Akmal, both in terms of temperament and stroke play and Imran Farhat is getting some numbers to back his inclusion. Good to see some stability in Pak batting lineup. But again I will keep my fingers crossed about Pak batting until this tournament is over.

  • Cpt.Meanster on June 3, 2013, 19:29 GMT

    I am an Indian fan but I must admit that Pakistan have a superb bowling attack. That has been their strength for many years. The conditions in England will favour them. If only their batting could be consistent, then we would have a decent overall team. I have always wished for a UNITED Indo-Pak team with India's batting might and Pakistan's bowling ferocity. I hope we can see that kind of a game sometime in the future. Well done Pakistan. SA, well I hope you don't choke in the tournament proper. I have a lot of respect for SA given their recent exploits in test cricket but 50 overs cricket is a different beast. It's about temperament as well as skills. I still feel SA are one of the favourites to win this competition but after this performance, I am not so sure.

  • maddy20 on June 3, 2013, 19:28 GMT

    That was one hell of a bowling performance. SA looked like sitting ducks. Not many times you will see Amla look so dumbfounded. Although it looked like some of the batsmen threw their wickets away, for most part they bowled pretty darn well!

  • DrAtharAbbas on June 3, 2013, 19:28 GMT

    A win is a win and a loss is a loss. Pakistan beat south African as if South Africa were a true minnow. First they were skittled out for a paltry score then Pakistan was chasing in cruise control. even one of the batsmen "Retired Out", a sign of more than complete dominance. South African bowlers could only take 2 wickets. In South Africa was a competitive series, (words above). In neutral conditions, Pakistan rolled over them today. Imagine what would happen if they face Pakistan in spinning pitches in Pakistan.

    Nicer words to accept that fact from South African side, was what I expected from them.

  • ReverseSwingMaster on June 3, 2013, 19:25 GMT

    What is Retired Out? ...................

  • on June 3, 2013, 19:25 GMT

    Good win. My team: 1.Hafeez 2.Nasir 3.Asad shafiq 4.Misbah 5.Malik 6.Kamran akmal 7.wahab 8.Saeed ajmal 9.Asad ali 10.junaid 11.Irfan

  • maria_01 on June 3, 2013, 19:17 GMT

    i disliked the authors way of writing, saying again and again that this match has no importance, yes it was warm up match, but won it convincingly, and it matters alot before the start of the tournament

  • on June 3, 2013, 19:11 GMT

    Although it was just a practice match, but well done pakistan. needs some more work out for batting, still its not even close to impressive. Good Luck.

  • on June 3, 2013, 19:09 GMT

    Huh?!! 15 players??? What the hell does that prove, whatever the result? So 15 men fielded?! How is that in any way practise for the fielding team? STUPID!

  • on June 3, 2013, 19:00 GMT

    Well, Men in green outclass the African Safari, The credit goes to the guys especially Bowlers, who took early wickets and put the south African batsmen under pressure which results a less total..Anyhow this practice match will help Pakistan in the upcoming legal matches scheduled from June 6..Wish you the best of luck team Green..Bleed Green..!!

  • on June 3, 2013, 18:58 GMT

    It's always delights me when Pakistan won, only concern is Nasir Jamshed's poor form. Good luck team pakistan

  • maria_01 on June 3, 2013, 18:55 GMT

    good start of the tournament, although pak won the game but asad look to slow, i know it was a small total to chase, but in my opinion asad is not odi player at all, umar akmal is much better choice, bowling attack looks very cool. i have only concern with asad. and i dont know why people are against imran farhat, he is much sensible and mature player than ahmed shehzad, gudluck team green

  • MuhammadAbdullah on June 3, 2013, 18:55 GMT

    this win would really give pakistan some confidence. I think asad ali, muhammad irfan and junaid khan shold be pakistans pace attack

  • on June 3, 2013, 18:53 GMT

    Pak won before the Tournament...m worried now :p

  • on June 3, 2013, 18:51 GMT

    pakistan made an impact that they are the best side of champions trophy.its a big thought to all other teams.especially india should be beware of pakistan

  • on June 3, 2013, 18:50 GMT

    Rather than giving us a detailed report on the proceedings of today's match, the entire focus of this article is based on defending SA's defeat. Yes Mr Hopps, we all know it is a warm up match having zero affect on the results of the tournament but after all it was a cricket game and it demanded more thorough report. Your report gives us the impression that you're trying your level best to downplay Pakistan. You could have gone on and appreciated the performance of the likes of Asad Ali and how he is in contention to get a place in the side along with Wahab. Anyways you're the writer not me but as a reader I would have loved a detailed description. Thanks!

  • Newlandsfaithful on June 3, 2013, 18:49 GMT

    Oh well... a result only to be expected for SA fans. Usual pattern. Loud talk of possible silverware followed by dismal performances and the usual choking. SA may be a formidable test side, but at ODIs they're only as frightening as the Teletubbies. They've got a poor record and with this result they clearly show that they have neither the firepower nor the tactical ability to change this state of affairs. If AB wants silverware, I reckon he should start checking the pawn shops, because he's certainly not going to win any....

  • on June 3, 2013, 18:45 GMT

    Though these are practice matches but these seems more difficult as you may bowl more bowlers and may bat more batsman. just like SA did, in real game you would not be able to bring in Peterson at no 10. Same with bowling .

    Good bowling practice for pak bowlers. junaid asad and wahab were good. . in playing 11 i think there is a difficult decision waiting for team managment. which 2 of asad/wahab/irfan. asad's bowling is good but wahab has some batting skills which will prove vital in CT.

    1 thing i fail to understand is teams should give chance to 1st choice playing 11. rest i understand but what was ehsan & rehman doing in todays game. you will surely not select them in playing 11. so i think more practice should have been given to ajmal & irfan as they will be preffered in 11.

  • Stark62 on June 3, 2013, 18:35 GMT

    Wonderful allround display by Pak but a special mention for the bowlers because they extracted something from the docile pitch.

    I still think SA and Eng are the two favourites to win the CT.

    Anyway, Umar Amin didn't look anything special and his selection was a mistake because he looked troubled against Morkel. Shafiq was also shaky and it's a great shame, that Umar Akmal isn't here because he is the best player of pace in Pak but his sitting at home.

  • gibbs.175 on June 3, 2013, 18:34 GMT

    Flop batting....Leadership...........AB can not do both jobs (wk and captain).

  • Jda123 on June 3, 2013, 18:33 GMT

    good win but still think pakistan can chase a total of 270+

  • on June 3, 2013, 18:33 GMT

    clearly an article not written from a neutral point of view. Too much bias towards SA.

  • on June 3, 2013, 18:26 GMT

    The wind is Showing that this Cup is Ours :)

  • on June 3, 2013, 18:19 GMT

    With this kind of bowling,Pakistan is real threat for any team.

  • on June 3, 2013, 18:13 GMT

    These losses could be blessings in disguise for England and SA..... They'll re-group in time and be disciplined and should win their group matches (against NZ and Pak, respectively)...

    My odds are for a England, SA, Ind and SL in the semis.

    Good luck to all!

  • Jadejafan on June 3, 2013, 18:01 GMT

    Warm-up win doesn't prove anything. It was clear in this match South Africa were testing out a lot of things whereas the Pakistan team gave it their all but cannot see it happening come the proper games. I predict Pakistan to be at the bottom of their group cause they are just not good enough :)"

  • Baseball-Sucks on June 3, 2013, 17:59 GMT

    Well done Pakistan !!! Take this winning streak all the way. I'm a fan of Hafeez n It was great to see him batting well. It will be a piece of cake for you to make it to the semis as you will easily beat other mediocre teams like India n W'indies. But you never know how it will go against SA even though you managed to pull it off today. Anyway Best of Luck !!!!! - SL fan -

  • Naseer_shah on June 3, 2013, 17:59 GMT

    I think asad ali is the real good find ...... far better than Sohail Tanveer and far most Mohd sami or Riaz

  • Harmony111 on June 3, 2013, 17:52 GMT

    I agree that a warm up match is just a warm up and should not be taken too seriously but at the same time I cannot overlook the way this author has gone out of the way to devote the first three para of this article in trashing Pak's win over SA today and then devoted one more para to trash the entire concept of warm up matches.

    On other pages, we hear Captain Cook saying that the current ODI series vs NZ, which is an official one, does not matter much in the scheme of the CT (I am paraphrasing here).

    And still some others are saying that the ODIs are losing their sheen.

    I have mentioned three separate things here but could they all be interlinked?

  • BokkeForever on June 3, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why SA struggle to win major knock-out tournaments!!!

  • on June 3, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    time to bring up ur game...Chokers (SA) !!! Well Played Pak....I really wish to see you in finals with India....and then beat you to lift another trophy :D :P

  • on June 3, 2013, 17:49 GMT

    Excellent ,i mean another good prospect from pakistan pacce factory i,e this Asssad Ali lad ,can any tell me at what pace he was bowiling . Ckt is all about these pacers otherwise it is a dull game ,best sight in ckt. is to watch a pacer bowler at full throttle. Thanks and regards ,"""cheers from""" j & k."""

  • haq33 on June 3, 2013, 17:43 GMT

    The author mentions several times that the match result doesn't count for anything. I actually got the message after the first two paragraphs but still, the concept apparently needed recapitulating. Thanks.

  • PAKISTANiLive on June 3, 2013, 17:42 GMT

    Well Done Pakistan!! Well played in all 3 fields of cricket (Bat,bowl,field) Great Captaincy by Misbah as always, he used all 15 players in games vs scot,ire & SA!!

  • Haris_USA on June 3, 2013, 17:38 GMT

    That's exactly how Pakistani batsmen should bat if the target is around 250. More than 275, then they might want to get a bit more aggressive. All the bowlers bowled with a purpose, with Misbah managing the team well. Keep up the good work Greens (err Dark Greens).

  • kbilgrami on June 3, 2013, 17:30 GMT

    Clinical performance by Pakistan in all departments. Hafeez yet again showed his consistent form. Imran Farhat should have shown a little more aggression. I was most impressed by Asad Ali. It would be a difficult decision to drop him from playing 11. SA had some positives too. Ryan McLaren gave a decent alround performance. Farhaan Behardien also got some good bowling practice. Steyn walking-off was a bit concerning. Pakistan should now take this momentum to Champions trophy opener against West Indies.

  • on June 3, 2013, 17:28 GMT

    This Pakistan side is dangerous ...because they look confiedent , and with the talent Pakistani side has , all they really need is confiedence , young batsmen , solid & mature middle order and what a bowling unit ! front runners for the trophy

  • on June 3, 2013, 17:26 GMT

    Great all around performance by Pakistan.

  • on June 3, 2013, 17:26 GMT

    Great all around performance by Pakistan.

  • on June 3, 2013, 17:28 GMT

    This Pakistan side is dangerous ...because they look confiedent , and with the talent Pakistani side has , all they really need is confiedence , young batsmen , solid & mature middle order and what a bowling unit ! front runners for the trophy

  • kbilgrami on June 3, 2013, 17:30 GMT

    Clinical performance by Pakistan in all departments. Hafeez yet again showed his consistent form. Imran Farhat should have shown a little more aggression. I was most impressed by Asad Ali. It would be a difficult decision to drop him from playing 11. SA had some positives too. Ryan McLaren gave a decent alround performance. Farhaan Behardien also got some good bowling practice. Steyn walking-off was a bit concerning. Pakistan should now take this momentum to Champions trophy opener against West Indies.

  • Haris_USA on June 3, 2013, 17:38 GMT

    That's exactly how Pakistani batsmen should bat if the target is around 250. More than 275, then they might want to get a bit more aggressive. All the bowlers bowled with a purpose, with Misbah managing the team well. Keep up the good work Greens (err Dark Greens).

  • PAKISTANiLive on June 3, 2013, 17:42 GMT

    Well Done Pakistan!! Well played in all 3 fields of cricket (Bat,bowl,field) Great Captaincy by Misbah as always, he used all 15 players in games vs scot,ire & SA!!

  • haq33 on June 3, 2013, 17:43 GMT

    The author mentions several times that the match result doesn't count for anything. I actually got the message after the first two paragraphs but still, the concept apparently needed recapitulating. Thanks.

  • on June 3, 2013, 17:49 GMT

    Excellent ,i mean another good prospect from pakistan pacce factory i,e this Asssad Ali lad ,can any tell me at what pace he was bowiling . Ckt is all about these pacers otherwise it is a dull game ,best sight in ckt. is to watch a pacer bowler at full throttle. Thanks and regards ,"""cheers from""" j & k."""

  • on June 3, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    time to bring up ur game...Chokers (SA) !!! Well Played Pak....I really wish to see you in finals with India....and then beat you to lift another trophy :D :P

  • BokkeForever on June 3, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why SA struggle to win major knock-out tournaments!!!

  • Harmony111 on June 3, 2013, 17:52 GMT

    I agree that a warm up match is just a warm up and should not be taken too seriously but at the same time I cannot overlook the way this author has gone out of the way to devote the first three para of this article in trashing Pak's win over SA today and then devoted one more para to trash the entire concept of warm up matches.

    On other pages, we hear Captain Cook saying that the current ODI series vs NZ, which is an official one, does not matter much in the scheme of the CT (I am paraphrasing here).

    And still some others are saying that the ODIs are losing their sheen.

    I have mentioned three separate things here but could they all be interlinked?