World Twenty20 2012

Bailey wants a new type of spinner

Brydon Coverdale

October 8, 2012

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Xavier Doherty and George Bailey discuss their plans, Australia v West Indies, 2nd semi-final, World Twenty20 2012, Colombo, October 5, 2012
Australia's spinners picked up only eight wickets in the World T20 compared to 28 wickets from the fast bowlers © ICC/Getty
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George Bailey believes Australia's spin bowlers must find a way to be more effective on the subcontinent if the team is to have any chance of winning the next World Twenty20, to be held in Bangladesh in 2014. After returning home Monday Bailey also defended the form of the middle-order batsmen, who besides his own 63 in the semi-final loss to West Indies had little impact in the tournament as the top three carried the bulk of the workload.

Three days after Australia's tournament ended their exit might not have looked so bad, coming as it did against the eventual champions. However, one notable feature of the final was that both sides had outstanding finger-spinners with a mystery element: Sri Lanka's Ajantha Mendis was the tournament's leading wicket taker with 15 at 9.80 and the West Indian Sunil Narine was equal fourth with nine victims, including five in the semi-final and the decider.

Another bowler of similar ilk, Pakistan's Saeed Ajmal, was also equal fourth on the wicket tally and all three were miserly as well. In contrast, Xavier Doherty leaked 8.63 runs an over - his 1 for 48 from three overs in the semi-final seriously dented Australia's hopes - while Brad Hogg managed only two wickets in his six games and the allrounder Glenn Maxwell was equally ineffective. Bailey knows it will be almost impossible to win in Bangladesh in 2014 with a similar slow-bowling output.

"One of the things we need to look at is the way we bowl our spin," Bailey said. "I don't know any other way to describe it than as a Western-type way of bowling, which tends to be to try and draw the batsman out of the crease, whereas all the teams who have had success at the World Cup, their spinners are bowling into the wicket, quite fast, hitting the stumps every ball, making it very hard.

"We need to find a way to develop spinners like that, and the tough thing is maybe bowling like that doesn't really suit conditions in Australia. But I think if you look at all the stats from the tournament that was probably one of the areas that if we're serious about winning the tournament we're going to have to find a way to improve come Bangladesh."

During the World Twenty20, Muttiah Muralitharan said he believed one of the reasons Australia would not produce such a spinner was that unorthodox bowlers would be encouraged at junior levels to change their style. Bailey said it was important that young spinners with potential were identified regardless of whether they fit the Australian idea of what makes a good slow bowler.

"As a nation we still talk about whether guys have legitimate actions or not and at the end of the day that's really not for us to be arguing about," Bailey said. "If that's the rules and that's how bowlers are bowling now and having success in international cricket then we've got to start developing those players and developing them at 10-11 years of age and we start to have some bowlers who do bowl like Murali or Ajmal or Narine.

"You're hoping that a few of our spinners are watching the tournament [World T20] and seeing the type of spinners that are having success. I think the way our coaching system is set up it's going to be tough for some spinners to get through because the way a lot of the spinners who have had success bowl in the subcontinent, you're probably not going to be playing much cricket in Australia if you bowl like that. There's a balancing act there."

A lack of impact from the spinners cost Australia but there were also concerns about the imbalance in the batting order, with most of the runs coming from the openers Shane Watson and David Warner, and the No.3 Michael Hussey. Although opportunities were limited because of the success of the top three, there were still times when Australia needed runs from the middle order, notably in the semi-final.

Chasing 206, Australia were 29 for 3 and it was the perfect time for the rest of the batsmen to step up and back the work of Watson, Warner and Hussey from earlier in the tournament. Batting at No.5, Bailey blasted 63 from 29 balls but had no real support - Cameron White was caught down leg side for 5, David Hussey chipped a return catch for a duck and Matthew Wade top-edged a sweep.

"It's a tough one. If you're talking about winning the tournament, I think if you're winning a World Cup you're not talking about how well your four, five and six batted," Bailey said. "Your one, two and three need to get you the runs. Four, five and six come in and either get you to a reasonable total or save your bacon. But if you're winning the games it's your top three you need to rely on.

"I think whenever we're progressing through to the back end of one of these tournaments we're not going to be seeing much of the middle order. The challenge of the format is when you do get a chance you've got to be prepared to step up and make it your day."

Australia's exit before the final was a disappointing way for Bailey to end his first tournament in charge, but he said the memories wouldn't be all bad.

"To knock out South Africa and India as we did was really pleasing," he said. "I thought we played some really good cricket there. It's just a matter of when you do get to the knockout stages you've got to be able to play your best cricket."

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Posted by rsgarcia on (October 11, 2012, 15:47 GMT)

@hyclass, I am confused. In what way did I personally attack @Marcio? What names did I call him? I noted no supporting research by either yourself or @Marcio to this point. I await it's publication so that I may respond. In the meantime, listing out the ways in which a format differs from test cricket is in no way evidence. Neither are the personal feelings of one cricketer. And really, what does audience attendence have to do with any of this? I think you're reaching for straws. Its rather rich you ask me to prove a negative, when you're the one who insisted you had compelling anecdotal evidence. A clear admission that no real, scientific evidence exists to support your position. Bring me proof that doesn't come in the form of someone's personal commentary (which anyone can use to support anything) and I'll be happy to take you seriously. Until then, you can have your opinions and I have mine. In no way is that an attack on your or @Marcio.

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 15:18 GMT)

Remember a time not far gone; how Muttiah Muralitharan was once vilified, derided, disparaged, even condemned, by all things Australia- umpires, players, crowds, and no less than the then Australian prime minister, John Howard. Now we have an Australian captain saying that they desperately need a bowler of Murali's ilk and caiber. My, how the axis of cricket talent and opinion has turned! George Bailey's statement is an unknowing and infinitesimal apology to the great man Murali himself. And maybe that's all he will get from them; but he doesn't have to care now, or ever.

Posted by Lovedegame on (October 11, 2012, 12:33 GMT)

It is a shame the Aus captain was happy enough to put Soutafrica and India out of the cup this has been a trend with all Aussies, that is one of the reasons they dint get to the finals, if they had beaten Pakistan they might have taken the momentum and won the cup and i am sure they would have neaten Srilanks

Posted by hyclass on (October 11, 2012, 10:20 GMT)

@rsgarcia...I see you neatly side-stepped the researched supporting information that validates @Marcio's point of view and reached for the lowest form of retort, personal attack. If you wish to be taken seriously, I expect supporting data,not just name dropping. It was Pietersen himself who earlier this year, publicly deprecated the populating of tournaments like the IPL with sub-standard first class Aus players. The fact that retired players can earn a living there after careers are over hardly screams 'high standard'. The dividing of 240 balls for the entire match between 22 men or less than 11 balls each-very testing. Teams being bowled out in under 20 overs-very relevant to Test cricket. Top flight batsmen averaging up to low 30's-so impressive and bowlers only going for 6-7 runs an over in their 24 balls being considered a success. Recent articles on Cricinfo describing near empty stadiums in India for IPL as even Indians struggle to find relevance in crickets lowest format.

Posted by ygkd on (October 11, 2012, 3:43 GMT)

Actually, right now there's a rain delay at the "sub-continental" Adelaide Oval, interrupting a fighting innings by SA's Ludeman.

Posted by ygkd on (October 11, 2012, 3:35 GMT)

@Meety, sure Oz conditions vary, but so too do overseas ones like in the Carribean and England/Wales, if in perhaps more subtle ways. A World Tour down under? We shouldn't be so complacent as to think about that. We need to use more than the traditional 5 grounds plus 1. That's the bottom line. If that means more games up north, then why not? Fortress Oz is not a mentality that will ultimately get us anywhere, nor will a constant obsession with the WACA's uniqueness help at all. It's a good pitch but only one amongst dozens and dozens on the international circuit. Time to expand our horizons a tad before the game beats us to it. As for the U19s, I just thought India were the better side or at least had a couple of stand-out players in their side. Didn't know they brought the pitch with them! Hopefully, the locals will have learnt from the final. That's what such things should be about. When you're too good for improvement, reconsider your position. Same applies to the range of grounds.

Posted by Meety on (October 10, 2012, 23:52 GMT)

@ygkd on (October 09 2012, 20:58 PM GMT) - I would say that a tour of Oz represents the closest thing to a world tour in cricket. Oz has the unique WACA, then the Gabba is fairly Saffa-like, Adelaide can be sub-continental, Belreive can be NZ/English, & the drop in MCG can represent what the Adelaide Oval will eventually be - bland. I think Oz already has sub-continent types of pitches in Townsville(no real coincidence that India won the U19s w/cup) & Darwin.

Posted by rsgarcia on (October 10, 2012, 19:54 GMT)

@hyclass, PS. If T20 is so bad for Test cricket, how do you explain the fact that good/great batsmen manage to keep their form across all formats? How do you explain Samuels, Gayle, Kallis, Kohli and so many others who have played lots of T20 at the highest standard, but still are good, orthodox batsmen? And how do you explain that the highest run getters in T20 get their runs from playing good, foundational cricket, rather than bashing it to all parts? Or do you consider the likes of Watson, Sangakarra, Pietersen, Warner etc. to be lacking in concentration, technique, or willingness to play for country? Really, the stories you T20 haters tell yourselves...

Posted by hyclass on (October 10, 2012, 13:05 GMT) sympathies lie entirely with @Marcio...India has played Australia 82 times in Test matches since 1947/8 with Australia leading head to head by 38 Tests to 20. Australia last beat India in India in the 2004/5..India have never beaten Australia in Australia..the last series was an Aus 4-0 whitewash and the preceding series against England in England by India was equally embarrassing. There is compelling anecdotal evidence supplying a link between T20 cricket and the diminution of 1st class batting in general and its affects on technique,concentration and the undermining of authority through free agency..many competitions are populated with sub-standard players who wouldn't make national duty but are needed to make up numbers...the West Indies pitches last tour were fast spinning wickets,a far cry from the speedy wickets of the WI heyday..the introduction of the law allowing a bent elbow has validated what was considered for 120 years to be throwing.I deplore its existence.

Posted by rsgarcia on (October 10, 2012, 12:51 GMT)

I agree, @Marcio, you 'd make a great politician. That's one way to look at two drawn series. I guess you must be commended for being ranked how much higher than us and not being able to win two series. And of course, according to your recent postings, Aus finishing 3rd or fourth is better than Windies winning because Windies got lucky, while Aus were a mighty team who just happened to lose one game that mattered. And you accuse others of being myopic? All I can say is, you know it rains in England, so you should know it's been dry in the subcontinent since before you were a thought in your parents head. The tracks there are conducive to spin, and neither the subcontinent nor the Caribbean can change the reality of their environment, anymore than England can change swing pitches, or Aus dry out theirs. I repeat--you can stop whining or you can adapt. Makes no nevermind to the rest of us.

Posted by HARCOURT_CUMBERBACH on (October 10, 2012, 5:51 GMT)

To my mind Mr Bailey is a fine young man and impressive Captain, much like the county professionals of my era, he could well go on to be Test Captain if he gets support from the players around him.

Posted by AidanFX on (October 10, 2012, 1:53 GMT)

Agree with Marcio - with regards to pitches... Spot on!

Posted by Marcio on (October 9, 2012, 22:40 GMT)

Sorry, that should have been AUS won 5 out of 8 decided games on the WI tour. Again, are we supposed to say this is the same as certain teams coming to AUS and not winning a single game in any format? Some people around here really should be politicians. :-)

Posted by Marcio on (October 9, 2012, 22:26 GMT)

@rsgarcia, you can try to 'spin' things as long as you want, but the facts remain. AUS didn't win a series till the end of the WI tour you say? What you really mean is that AUS won 4 of the 6 decided games and the WI didn't win a single series out of the three on their home turf! Doh! AUS beat SL in the both test and ODIs last tour. They just beat PAK in the ODIs and lost the T20s in a super over. How does that compare to the WI and PAK not winning a single GAME on their last AUS tours? Or India losing 4-0 in AUS and England? Suggesting English conditions should be changed it just silliness. It rains a lot in England, and that's that! AUS teams usually either win or lose by small margins there. The last ODI series was the one exception in many years. It gets tiring correcting nationalistic myopia on this site.

Posted by ygkd on (October 9, 2012, 20:58 GMT)

Bailey may have been lucky to have been in the team and luckier still to have been captain, but he has expressed a valid point. Another point that should be expressed is why did it take so long for this valid point to be articulated? Australia needs to develop a subcontinental-type pitch (maybe in Alice?) and use it for some U19 & U23 matches at least. Australian youth bats, spinners and keepers, either elite or thereabouts, don't have a game for Asia. It's time such things were tested. Then the 11yos and their coaches would take notice and dream accordingly. No good saying Oz pitches are the best in the world. They are very good, but they do not encompass the full range of conditions. Maybe they can never encompass everything, but they can offer more diversity. Sending more youth and A tours to the subcontinent is a start, but correcting our spin problem probably needs to begin from the ground up. A sub-continental pitch in Australia - given our varied geography is that not possible?

Posted by rsgarcia on (October 9, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

But @ Marcio, that neatly ignores the fact that Aus couldn't win a series on their last tour of the WI until the final day of the last test. We are discussing Aus shortcomings, and you keep trying to make it about the pitches. I have news for you. English pitches swing and are wet. Why don't you ask them to change that? Oh wait--because that's how it is in England and you just have to deal with it. Well, you can prepare your team to play only yours and South Africa's pitches, or you can continue to lose EVERYWHERE ELSE. All this whining and pointing fingers at the pitches or subtley implying every finger-spinner is bending his arm is nonsense. West Indies beat everyone (except South Africa), everywhere when they were on top. Australia have yet to figure out the sub-continent. I think you have a spin problem, not a pitch problem. You need spinners and you need to learn to play them. And if you think this is a T20 problem, I can't wait to hear your excuses after you lose the Ashes again.

Posted by bjg62 on (October 9, 2012, 12:53 GMT)

Looks like Australia is light years behind your lot RednWhiteArmy. First you recognise the lack of skill in your own country... then you go and poach five or six Saffers. Well done mate!

Posted by hyclass on (October 9, 2012, 12:40 GMT)

My sympathy is and will always remain with Daryl Hair and Ross Emerson,those officials tasked with adjudicating the fairness of bowling that to that date had withstood 120 years and retained its honour. Their lives were threatened and their reputations in tatters merely for performing the task for which they were employed. The establishment has a lot to answer for in abandoning them and the pandoras box of flexible elbow bowling it has opened has diminished the cricket brand immeasurably.

Posted by Marcio on (October 9, 2012, 11:17 GMT)

All you have to do is note that the WI and Pakistan could not win a SINGLE game in any format on their last Australian tours; & India lost 4-0 in tests and came 3rd (last) in the tri-series last tour to AUS. So clearly the issue is not that the spinners are so good; it's that the pitches in the subcontinent, UAE and WI are now MASSIVELY imbalanced in favour of spin and make spinners look like magicians. PAK bowled EIGHTEEN overs of spin vs AUS (semi), and WI (former great fastbowling nation) bowled 15 overs of spin vs SL in the final. SL allowed Malinga to bowl 4 overs in the final and he went for 50+ runs, while the spinners went for under 20. It's juts nuts. The only pitches offering a fair go for all bowling types now exist in SA, AUS, NZ & Eng. And the sub-continent teams simply cannot compete there anymore (except SL, who are OK). In comparison non-subc. teams like AUS, SA etc. do much better in the subc., winning as many as they lose.

Posted by Meety on (October 9, 2012, 10:56 GMT)

@satish619chandar on (October 09 2012, 03:26 AM GMT) - I don't think you are that good with numbers mate. 4 out 5 World Cups = 80%. 4 out of 10 teams = 40%, that means "asia" is getting TWICE their fair share. The REALITY is the BEST sporting pitching in the world are in Oz. Cricket played in Asia lacks a large chunk of the fundamentals that make the game great. Not only is it exciting to see a ball rip past a batsmen's helmet, it is great seeing a batsmen play cross bat shots to balls aimed at their throat. Yet, Oz pitches can make a bowler like Warne a match winner. @RednWhiteArmy on (October 09 2012, 10:04 AM GMT) - how did your mob fair at the last W/Cup? I didn't see them playing ini the semi's!

Posted by   on (October 9, 2012, 10:28 GMT)

I like a Captain in the side that can bat, bowl or field - Bailey can't do anything. We are playing 10 v 11 each time...

Posted by elle119 on (October 9, 2012, 10:20 GMT)

This is slightly off-topic but still about Bailey. Regarding his recent comments, yes, we need more decent and match-experienced spinners but I think before that, Bailey should first examine his own captaincy. Everyone has already pilloried him for THAT last over selection of Doherty, so I won't revisit that debacle but it's a perfect example highlighting a surprising inability to read the flow of the game. Also his unwillingness to keep a bowler on when he's bowling well is concerning and too inflexible. One of my main issues however, is with the message he sends to his players with his incessant smiling on the field. Yes, a smile may be appropriate in light-hearted or even tense situations when both teams are evenly poised; but not when the opposition has just taken 24 runs off your over. He should then actually look very angry and ensure his bowlers/fielders know that was not up to standard at all. Instead he comes across as being happy to just be there in the first place...

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (October 9, 2012, 10:04 GMT)

You've gotta give bailey credit, he recognizes the lack of skill in the country. Acceptance is the first step.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (October 9, 2012, 9:38 GMT)

What would RandyLoss say? haha

Posted by   on (October 9, 2012, 8:42 GMT)

How about just ask Warnie to do an Afridi and come back to play cricket again for Australia... He surely would do a better job than the current Aussie spinners.

Posted by D.V.C. on (October 9, 2012, 5:49 GMT)

@James Anderson's suggestion is not a bad one.

Posted by jahinoz on (October 9, 2012, 5:03 GMT)

This is a result of the push for t20 players to become allrounders instead of focussing on their individual disciplines - let batters bat and let bowlers bowl. For a long period of time the part time spinner was in demand, the david husseys, steve smiths etc and now Australia is feeling the effect. A good spinner can a deadly weapon, and it will be some time before Australia sees a new one when all the young spinners have been told they need to pick up the bat to make it to the Australian team.

Posted by SpartaArmy on (October 9, 2012, 4:16 GMT)

It is the turn of one of the most talented and successful captain of AUS to give advices to CA on how to win the next world cup after Mr. X Factor who won (almost) them the World T20.

Posted by   on (October 9, 2012, 4:05 GMT)

@dsig3, I totally agree with you. NO we do not have to change our pitches in Australia. Australia has produced in the past a superb spinners like Warne, Tim May on same sort of pitches. They had superb fast bowlers too. Batters must learn to play Ajmal, Narine and Mendis better. Anyway those guys cant bowl well on Aussie pitches. India can beat anyone in the sub continent but they very often get whitewashed in Australia and England. Australia do not encourage unorthodox spinners or fast bowlers like Malinga ,Murali etc.

Posted by wc1992 on (October 9, 2012, 3:56 GMT)

develop .............. you must be kidding .....say we need to find ......and you will only do that once you have pitches for that

Posted by satish619chandar on (October 9, 2012, 3:26 GMT)

@simba110 : It is not 4 out of 5 last WC's. After 1996, One in 2011 and now the T20 WC. In fact, SC has 4 major team representing and they do deserve mroe games there even if it was really. WC were held in England, SA and WI where Australia emerged victorious. Are you scared that your batsmen never learnt to play spin and are continuously losing it out in the SC pitches? Better you and Bailey look for batters who play spin better rather than looking into other silly reasons. You bowl Doherty in last over and blame it on his style of bowling.

Posted by VivGilchrist on (October 9, 2012, 2:43 GMT)

Of course we must produce the type of spinners as just about every world tournament is played in Asian on dustbowls. Australia by the time the next proper World Cup comes along wouldn't have hosted a tournament for 22 years. WI bowling 15 of there 20 overs with spin shows how farcical it has become.

Posted by   on (October 9, 2012, 1:48 GMT)

Consider Lisa Stahlaker, and Elysse Perry for the mens 20/20 team. Lisa was turning the ball in Colombo just like Murali. She can bat too. Surely better than Xavior?

Posted by 12bil on (October 9, 2012, 1:36 GMT)

i really agree with him b/c doherty is not that kind of spinner who could spin the ball much like ajmal or narine. there are so many spinners in australia like steve smith nathan hauritz ..i am worried why they have not played those two in the world cup and the result is there you lose to windies by great margin 1st in bowling and then in batting...good luck in next t 20......

Posted by Gizza on (October 9, 2012, 0:56 GMT)

@Kavindeven, I'm pretty sure people have time to watch Test match cricket. Generally in the whole world there has been a huge increase in spare time across all countries and cultures. That's why people eat more (more time) and watch TV/play games on the computer, etc. and are getting fatter and fatter. That's why Facebook and Twitter are such highly valued companies. If people were more busy these days these websites wouldn't even exist. So yeah, this idea that people are too busy for 5 day cricket and can only watch two hours is a load of nonsense. Especially considering that most T20 tournaments have two games on one day and sometimes run for 5 consecutive days without a break (that means you're stuck on the TV or internet for the same amount of time as watch a Test match but don't even realise it). It is a terrible myth that people with little understanding of Test cricket like to perpetuate.

Posted by loudmouth on (October 9, 2012, 0:01 GMT)

Luke FYI - George Bailey is the current Australian T20 captain. Apart from that he's played for Scotland / Australia A / Chennai Super Kings / Melbourne Stars and Tasmania. He seems to have played over 300 first class / T20 / ODI games in his career and to be fair makes a pretty well balanced judgement about spin bowling in the country he's played most of his cricket. Mutual friends tell me has a very good sense of humour. My guess is if he met you he'd probably just look at you and laugh. If he played against you he'd probably be in hysterics. That's who George Bailey is.....

Posted by ROxOR on (October 8, 2012, 23:37 GMT)

@George Baiely himself...dude if you want the spinners to perform well in subcontinent..then give them the subcontinent pitches in Australia. Don't be a so happy with pace bowlers only. Also, the only reason Australia got to semi-finals in the just finished WC T20 is solely because of Watson, or else your team was so weak to spin bowling and Pakistan proved it and so would have India if there was no rain. But seriously..Australia needs subcontinental type pitches desperately. or else your team will just perish against spin bowling in the near future. Lastly, do not, DO NOT, expect get bowlers like Narine or Ajmal or Mendis to just pop out of no where in Australia with out the subcontinental pitches.

Posted by Meety on (October 8, 2012, 23:24 GMT)

@Siddarth Velappan - most people are away that Bangladesh is Geographically speaking, but in terms of cricket characteristics, Bangladesh is considered sub-continental in cricket terms as the pitches are similar. The same as SL & Pakistan! @Chris Sun - no, no no! I think Lyon is potentially a great offie, but I don't want him anywhere near the ODI/T20 sides. The way limited over cricket is these days, spinners lose their effectiveness in Tests. @Aussie_Cricket on (October 08 2012, 10:14 AM GMT) - in isolation your comment is short sighted (IMO). It is good that these events are shipped around, the problem is, every SC team (bar Pakistan) seems to be getting more than their fair share of Events. @nthuq on (October 08 2012, 10:48 AM GMT) - that theory is great. It would be hard to host Shield games during the summer due to rain, however maybe if games started at 7am, this could be achieved?

Posted by BG4cricket on (October 8, 2012, 23:24 GMT)

Personally I think rather than "mystery" spinners being the answer, Australia just made the wrong slow bowling choices. Picking Brad Hogg was ridiculous and Doherty has always been pretty average against top teams. As for Maxwell his bowling is not even close to the required standard and he was really picked for the batting pyrotechnics he could provide. Nathan Lyon I think would have been a good choice, a decent spinner who if people might recall got his chance initially through domestic T20, and Steven O'Keefe is quite handy and steady with the ball with this left armers providing variation as well as being a useful bat. Other than those 2 the cupboard is a bit bare with the only other contenders being Cameron Boyce and Hauritz from Queensland, Krejza from Tassie (who does give it a rip) and Jon Holland. BUT only pick them if they will take wickets not as defensive options. If they aren't good enough go with quality pace - after all Steyn had the best economy rate and took wickets.

Posted by dsig3 on (October 8, 2012, 23:05 GMT)

NO WE DONT! Bailey, you need to learn to play these guys better. Guys like narine and Ajmal would never make it in the Aus system anyway. On the wickets we play, you either have to be able to spin it a mile or have great control. Ajmal and Narine would not make it to domestic level in Aus.

Posted by bobagorof on (October 8, 2012, 22:48 GMT)

Bowlers who are 10-11 now aren't going to be any help for the tournament in Bangladesh in 2 years time. Australia needs to find one of the current crop of bowlers, or one on the cusp of domestic cricket, and develop them into a strike weapon. Nathan Lyon was first noticed after some Twenty20 performances. He has since been focusing on longer-form cricket but maybe the time has come to re-introduce him into Twenty20 over the next 2 years. Jason Krejza has a half-decent record in Twenty20, with 11 wickets from 7 matches in last year's Big Bash (compared with Doherty's 8 from 8). Steve O'Keefe has also dropped off the radar after a poor season, but could come back into contention. As for the 'mystery spinner'' argument, Brag Hogg struggled for wickets in this tournament despite his wrong-'un rarely being picked. Anyway, it doesn't matter what type of spin you bowl if it's a full toss in the last over!

Posted by   on (October 8, 2012, 22:05 GMT)

haha bailey giving advice.. how did he ever get into the team and become the captain. Shows the thin batting of australia...

Posted by Masud_BITK on (October 8, 2012, 21:46 GMT)

@SirViv1973. Just don't forget how many countries are playing from Asia. When you do tally, make sure that your both eyes are open and count all nicely. How you counted Europe 4, did you include Australia inside of EU countries. Asia will dominate in every sectors of sports soon.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (October 8, 2012, 18:36 GMT)

@Simba110, Couldn't agree with you more. It was a crazy decision to allow SRl,Ban & Ind to host 3 straight T20 WC's, I understand that both Pak or UAE could also be in the frame for 2018! I know Australasia will host the 2015 WC but other than the dreadful ICC Super series in 2005 it will be the first ICC event to be held there in 23 yrs! surely it would have made sense for Aus to have hosted this event in 2012! I'm not an Aussie/NZL but in between 92 and 2015 Asia would have hosted 7 ICC events, Americas 2, Africa 4 and Europe 4 that really doesn't seem fair to me.

Posted by Kulaputra on (October 8, 2012, 16:36 GMT)

This from a country that produced Shane Warne. You need good bowlers.

ICC should also revisit throwing laws to rule out likes of Saeed Throwmal, Muthaiah Throwdharan and Throwbhajan Singh and bring sanity back into the game.

Posted by KarachiKid on (October 8, 2012, 16:27 GMT)

i was impressed with the way George Bailey played in the last match and also the respectful manner he conducted his business. He is in for long haul if Aussy selectors persist with his leadership in T20s.

Posted by samdanish on (October 8, 2012, 15:55 GMT)

Hes perfect,, Aus and English should come over actions, Murli No balls,.. If its allowed its prefect. They should be able to find few.. or Import like Tahir

Posted by Selassie-I on (October 8, 2012, 14:51 GMT)

Well, if you know you have a sub-par spinner in the team why put him on last when you have other bowlers in the team, especially agains Kp and Gayle who were actually so happy to see him come on they startedhaving a dance about it!!

Posted by Dashat on (October 8, 2012, 14:51 GMT)

Luke Eyre who are you? What is your claim to fame? Or still waiting for it?

Posted by Romenevans on (October 8, 2012, 14:46 GMT)

@David_Boon - Mate im sure T20 is here to stay forever....but it is the TEST that is losing its way and soon will be wiped off because nobody wants to watch that boring thing that last for 5 days without the result. In fact nobody have time for it anymore.

Posted by mrcheek on (October 8, 2012, 14:15 GMT)

Smith would have been the ideal spinner by now. If he had been given the chance to develop his craft and actually bowl a few overs. Instead of letting him get some bowling done in grade or state cricket (or a spell at an Englsih county would also have been of great benefit), he found himself making up the numbers on endless one day tours, including "A" tours, where he never got the chance to bowl a decent amount of overs. Now his potential to be a class spinner is gone, he will never be more than a bits and pieces player

Posted by   on (October 8, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

agree wth baily its impossible to win in bangladesh 2014 u need spinner lke narine who can take wickets in middle overs put presure

Posted by Gordo85 on (October 8, 2012, 13:39 GMT)

Hogg is way too old yet he still gets picked. What kind of message does that send out to other domestic spin bowlers out in Australia it sends out a really poor message indeed. I mean John Holland will be great at some stage. It is a concern when even South Africa have more young spinners coming through the ranks than the Australians.

Posted by   on (October 8, 2012, 13:02 GMT)

a team should always play to its stregnth,....gerorge bailey is ryte in a way but if u cant find such spinners it wont be bad to rely on your stregnth of fast bowling......aussies are currently coming up with some exceptional fast bowling talent like starc cummins all three in 20 20.....on any pitch if they ball accordingly, it would be impossible to score of them...

Posted by gt09 on (October 8, 2012, 12:55 GMT)

With a fewer minor tweaks & changes i ( Hastings, SOK, Finch, Faulkner, etc) i think this squad will be quite ready for the t20 in two yrs time. In saying that any new spinner unearthed must be give enough time as well. Thought the pace bowler & Bailey will learn alot from this tournament, his gusty innings in the semis was good - however largely not acknowledged; hopefully a bright future beckons but maybe bat higher (@ 4-5) though...

Posted by   on (October 8, 2012, 12:52 GMT)

Bailey himself has not cemented his place in the side. Hussey , Watson and Hog will be too old. Australia will definitely struggle to reach super 8.

Posted by kangaroussy on (October 8, 2012, 12:51 GMT)

So, if I understand it correctly, having just spent the better part of 6 years trying (and failing) to find the next Shane Warne, we are now intending to develop a non "western" mystery spinner, who might currently be 11 or 12 years of age. Kudos for forward thinking, but I'd rather see a strong middle order that doesn't need excuses made for it by the captain. Send those batters to India or Sri Lanka to play some first class cricket, learn to play these mystery spinners, and make more runs than the opposition.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (October 8, 2012, 12:41 GMT)

The Australians only have themselves to blame. The likes of Hauritz and Lyon are thrown away after one bad game, or hidden away for tests only and not given a decent run at the shorter formats. I don't believe there aren't better spinners out there than Beer, Doherty, Hogg... I really don't.

Posted by PACERONE on (October 8, 2012, 12:23 GMT)

Good to see that the Australian and English way does not work.

Posted by David_Boon on (October 8, 2012, 12:14 GMT)

George Bailey must be the only Australian alive who gives a darn about T20. The whole tournament came and went and almost no Australians even noticed. George won't have to worry about 2014 because he will be gone by then anyway. Hopefully, T20 will be too.

Posted by ozwriter on (October 8, 2012, 12:03 GMT)

bailey, the no1 passenger in the team. he is lucky to be in the team, never mind captain. watson should be the captain.

Posted by whitesXI on (October 8, 2012, 11:58 GMT)

I'd put Jon Holland's name at the top of the spinners list for a flat track wicket, look at his record at manuka and adelaide oval last year (the two flattest wickets in aus) and he was outstanding, six wickets in an inning against india at manuka and what he did to the south aussies in adelaide was almost unbelievable, 3 wickets in the first inning, 4 wickets in the second and a few days later took 6 for 29 off 12 overs. to follow that he took a total of 10 wickets in the aus a tour in england in two matches and a another 3 wicket hall the other day at the Gabba. I've been a supporter of O'Keefe for a while and Lyon has been tremendous under Clarke in the tests, but Holland has leapfrogged both in the last 12 months in my book

Posted by Ozcricketwriter on (October 8, 2012, 11:44 GMT)

Just go with your strength - Australia has so many great fast bowlers that it is shameful to ignore them.

Posted by Heisenburg on (October 8, 2012, 11:42 GMT)

I hope this means no more Doherty.

Posted by satish619chandar on (October 8, 2012, 11:33 GMT)

I guess he is a bit too much for a first time captain and still a yet to prove player. Top 3 SHOULD contribute but still, they lacked good backups who can make a match out of it when the top 3 fails. A Symonds or a Waugh or Martyn wouldn't have said this. "To knock out South Africa and India as we did was really pleasing,". Really? Knockout didn't happen because of their first wins against India and Pakistan. Struggled to score 117 and he is speaking as if they got 200+ and dismissed Pakistan for 60 and knocked off India and South Africa. And, regarding the spinners, it will be a miracle if Aussies can go beyond Doherty or Lyon leave alone the likes of Narine and Ajmal. After all, they made a 41 year old to come back from retirement all because of lack of even average spinner.

Posted by MAD-1 on (October 8, 2012, 11:22 GMT)

Well the only quick solution is that Australia pry out Warne from retirement.

Posted by thetopofoff on (October 8, 2012, 11:08 GMT)

How about we just keep on encouraging young legspinners to bowl like Warney? You could have a dozen Murali's but I'd take one Warney over them every time. Warney is the greatest spinner ever, with a pure, orthodox action. If we can produce young spinners with half his talent, they'll do well in all conditions and forms of the game.

Posted by nthuq on (October 8, 2012, 10:48 GMT)

Skillful fast bowlers should be able to overcome raging turners in the subcontinent. And it's skillful fast bowlers we should continue developing. But really, it's not out of the question to prepare some raging turners up north in Darwin and play regular domestic fixtures there. That way, we can develop spinners to bowl in a 'western' and 'eastern' fashion as necessary.

Posted by cwrigh13 on (October 8, 2012, 10:44 GMT)

Two words: Cameron & White.

Posted by Ulcer on (October 8, 2012, 10:36 GMT)

Best of Luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Aussie_Cricket on (October 8, 2012, 10:14 GMT)

World 20/20 in Bangladesh? You've got to be kidding. Let them build a decent team first (and the infrastructure to build the "decent team" from) before they actually try to run a major tournament. Seems a bit comical that a country that has barely made the super 8's (and only ever won a single T20 WC match) actually hosts the tournament. I get that the subcontinent dollar is a key factor but if it's primarily about television rights then why should it matter where it is hosted. Rather see it hosted somewhere like Ireland where they actually have a hope of building some momentum to establish themselves. Bangladesh shouldn't even be a full member country let alone a host.

Posted by bismoy on (October 8, 2012, 10:07 GMT)

I admire Bailey thinking here, its right way to proceed.but i never heard any indian captain to tell we want bowler who can bowl at 150 km/hr and wreck oppostition single handily.

Standard of indian fast bowling is so bad, but its seems no indian captain is bother nor bcci.

Posted by   on (October 8, 2012, 9:54 GMT)

Australia have already got a match winning spinner in Nathan Lyon. Though he only plays test matches. Get him into the limited overs squad and he'll be just as good as he is in the test team. The big mistake was to not select him for the World Twenty20. After all he did take 5 wickets in an innings on debut in SL against SL and also has 5 wickets in an innings against WI. So big mistake. Get him in.

Posted by luks on (October 8, 2012, 9:50 GMT)

Bailey is quite right. Considering that they were without a good spinner, Australia did quite well. I just wish they had kept David Hussey in the side from the start of the tournament instead of Cameron White. Cameron White has shown numerous times (in Champions League, IPL, etc) that he can't pick spinners at all. Steve Smith could also have been preferred to Maxwell, as he has done well playing in the subcontinent for the Pune Warriors. Doherty wasn't bad except for the last over decision by Bailey. Brad Hogg was unlucky. If anything, Australia's fielding could have been better (except Christian who was awesome).

Posted by McGoogly on (October 8, 2012, 9:42 GMT)

Bailey.... Clearly the spinners fault....

Posted by simba110 on (October 8, 2012, 9:40 GMT)

While I can understand what Bailey is saying, and he's right, how has it happened that by 2016, 4 of the last 5 world cups will have been in the subcontinent? How is that fair? That's a completely unfair system whereby only the teams that play spin well will win anything. The ICC can't justify not holding it in Australia by saying that we have the 2015 world cup, the subcontinent had the 2011 world cup. The pitches in the subcontinent make for boring cricket, but they just keep getting every major tournament.

Posted by   on (October 8, 2012, 9:38 GMT)

I really don't think anyone in Australia or the cricketing world really care what George Bailey has to say. Who is George Bailey again?

Posted by   on (October 8, 2012, 9:35 GMT)

I would like to bring this to your notice. Bangladesh is not a subcontinent. I would request you to read the definition of subcontinent. India is a subcontinent. But Bangladesh is not.

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