India v West Indies, 1st Test, New Delhi November 5, 2011

West Indies look to catch India off guard

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Match facts

Sunday, November 6
Start time 9.30 (0400 GMT)

Big Picture

The last time a team other than South Africa beat India in a Test in India, nobody knew of Twitter outside the office of its founders and Facebook was an invitation-only site meant for university and high-school students to share notes. A bit like the growth of those Internet media, it has become increasingly difficult to beat India in India. In the five years and eight months since that defeat to England in Mumbai, India have lost two out of 22 home Tests, the best record among all teams. It will be a shock this season if any addition is made to their two losses, despite coming off four straight defeats in England.

Then again the number of draws over the same period - nine - is equally instructive. These draws say a bit about the flat pitches, a bit about two badly timed declarations which sat on their lead in two series, and the three times the batsmen dug in in the second innings to save Tests. It also says that while it is difficult to beat India in India, it isn't quite improbable to keep them from winning. It shows in how the host broadcaster is not repeating the advertising stunt from last year, when it labeled the series against New Zealand "Mission Domination".

It says that while absolute domination - the whitewashes - hasn't quite been India's style for whatever reasons, it also means India are less likely to leave the door ajar for West Indies. If you are the underdogs, though, having gone close to four years without an away win against an opposition other than Bangladesh, you want a little complacence from the favourites, a little over-confidence or arrogance. You want them to over-aim, something India don't do.

You want to strike when they are not looking, sometimes even one such session can be enough to win a Test. West Indies will look to keep hanging in, keep taking the blows, and hope for India to look away. West Indies have shown they can be stubborn enough through the two draws against the same opposition in the home series earlier this year. The Indian bowling attack this time is comparatively even less experienced. India managed the lone win on a difficult track. Wonder if the Indian curators watched that?

Form guide

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Watch out for…

India's new bowlers. Ishant Sharma will lead the attack, but there are debuts expected. R Ashwin is all but certain to be the second spinner along with Pragyan Ojha, who himself wasn't among the top two spinners as recently the England tour. One out of Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron will get a Test cap too. This will be a huge test for these youngsters, especially with this being an audition for the Australia tour.

It is reassuring that the over-my-dead-body Shivnarine Chanderpaul remains relevant to Test cricket. In the last Test he played against India, he thwarted them for eight hours and 21 minutes to save the game. That was after a particularly turbulent period in his career, a period that made him speak more words in public than he had in his international career. He was hurt, he ranted, he came back and showed he still belonged. On this difficult tour, West Indies will need all his experience and stubbornness.

Pitch and conditions

This is just as big a test for Feroz Shah Kotla. This is only the third first-class match, and the first Test Delhi is hosting after the abandonment of an ODI in 2009-10. The re-laid pitch has been slow, low and lifeless for List A cricket. In one of the two first-class games, it retained its Ranji reputation of early life when Gujarat were bowled out for 71 on the first morning, but neither of the matches produced a result. It is hoped that the new Kotla will break away from the trend, especially considering November mornings are smoggy in Delhi, which could lead to loss of some play.

Team news

Only two slots seem uncertain for India: No. 6 and the second fast bowler. Yuvraj Singh, Virat Kohli and Ajinkya Rahane are contenders for the first, and Yadav and Aaron for the latter. Yuvraj is the favourite for the first, both the contenders have laid equal claim to the latter.

India (probable) 1 Virender Sehwag, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Rahul Dravid, 4 Sachin Tendulkar, 5 VVS Laxman, 6 Yuvraj Singh, 7 MS Dhoni (capt. & wk), 8 R Ashwin, 9 Ishant Sharma, 10 Pragyan Ojha, 11 Umesh Yadav/Varun Aaron

The big question for West Indies revolves around Ravi Rampaul, who consistently provided them with early breakthroughs in the home season. He then had to make way for Kemar Roach in Bangladesh. However, they can't afford to play both of them because then he will have to take the place of a specialist batsman, the specialist spinner or the captain. Adrian Barath, fit again, should take his opening slot, which means either Kieran Powell or Kraigg Brathwaite will have to sit out.

West Indies (probable) 1 Adrian Barath, 2 Kieran Powell/Kraigg Brathwaite, 3 Kirk Edwards, 4 Darren Bravo, 5 Shivnarine Chanderpaul, 6 Marlon Samuels, 7 Darren Sammy (capt.), 8 Carlton Baugh (wk), 9 Ravi Rampaul/Kemar Roach, 10 Fidel Edwards, 11 Devendra Bishoo

Stats and trivia

  • This is the first time, since November 2000, that India are playing a home Test without both Zaheer Khan and Harbhajan Singh.

  • This will be West Indies' first Test in India in more than nine years, which means only Chanderpaul and Marlon Samuels have played previously in India. Both have a century each. Samuels scored 104 in his only Test in India.

  • Sachin Tendulkar, one short of reaching 100 international hundreds, broke the record of most Test centuries at the same venue when he scored his 35th, against Sri Lanka in 2005-06.

Quotes

"Over the last six to 12 months our fast bowlers, Ravi Rampaul, Fidel Edwards, Kemar Roach and Darren Sammy have done well and won us matches. We know that India obviously will be heavy on spin but we believe in the quality of our fast bowlers."
Ottis Gibson thinks pace is the way to go

"The Australia series is too far away, so no point thinking about it. As far as this series is concerned, the light may be a factor. It may mean we start a bit late and end a little early. Difficult to predict."
MS Dhoni is taking it one game at a time.

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • BULTY on November 6, 2011, 14:24 GMT

    The series is between two Test playing nations and publicity for this aspect of series is missing; whereas the electronic media, as usual, is bent on highlighting Sachin's 100th 100, Dravid's 13000 runs in Test cricket, Sehwag's 100th six in Test cricket etc. If this is the type of outlook the media wants the players to have, where are the teams going to play to win the game? As the first day's game unfolded in Feroze Kotla stadium in Delhi, today, I would say WI walked away with honours after a cautious start & despite losing two quick wickets. One man by name Chanderpaul is standing in the way of India with his awkward stance to nullify the advantage India may enjoy by playing at home. Where India should have restricted WI to less than 200 & taken more wickets on day 1, they lost advantage by insipid fielding and unimaginative field placing that saw uppish catch-able shots miss the fielders many a time and runs leaking aplenty. Wake up India & give us a better show tomorrow,

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on November 6, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    @Tram- No he isn't. 99 centuries he made were a fluke.But one thing comes to my mind, do other batsmen don't play on their pitches? ;) Then why couldn't they score that many?

  • on November 6, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    This is perhaps the stupidest selection by India, putting in Aaron, a bowler who is undoubtedly talented yet only 22 and averaging in excess of 40 in first class cricket. Where is Praveen Kumar, he was perhaps the only bowler who did not disgrace himself on the England tour. Playing Yadav and Aaron just feels like the old story of putting in fast bowlers who will burn out and lose their pace in a couple of years time (Munaf Patel, Ishant Sharma and RP Singh). We need to learn to manage our resources better. Why would you play Yuvraj, he was proved to be inept in the Test format, play Pujara or Vijay who have some future in Test cricket. Absolutely ridiculous selections.

  • on November 6, 2011, 3:06 GMT

    Go ahead India : Go ahead and underestimate West Indies. We like it that way. You underestimated the value of playing West Indies and went to England having not given the tour of West Indies serious attenttion and you got pulverized in England----not a game won !! ha ha ha

  • TRAM on November 6, 2011, 2:57 GMT

    It doesn't matter if India wins against WI or not. All we want is Sachin score his 100th 100. Does not matter if he plays for his personal score. Does not matter if he could not score against big fast bowlers like Glen McGrath or Shaun Pollock in their pitches. Once he scores his 100th hundred that will be the proof that he is the greatest batsman ever. (all sarcastic , in case some dont get it).

  • mrcool on November 6, 2011, 2:55 GMT

    Rohit sharma should have been givenchances in test match instead of odi...He has good technique...His transformation should have been like dravid from test to odi..unfortunately selectors did wrong..same for Mukund.

  • on November 6, 2011, 2:21 GMT

    The inclusion of Sammy and Carlton Baugh in the team is bad for the WI, Ramdin should have been the captain in the first place, so the team should read Barath, Powell or Braithwaithe, Edwards, Bravo, Chanderpaul, Samuels , Ramdin, (Captain and wicketkeeper) Roach Rampaul, Fidel Edwards and Bisho This would be the best WI to face India, with 3 Genuine fast bowlers and a quality spinner and rember Samuels can bowl as well . Sammy and Baugh are both useless in the team and should be dropped immediately , come on selectors do the right thing.

  • BravoBravo on November 6, 2011, 2:04 GMT

    Another boring series is in the offing. Reasons: IND will do everything to whitewash WI by playing defensive, thus gain some respect after getting whitewashed by ENG. But either WI or IND are not capable of whitewashing each other anymore. Previously injured IND batsmen will try to improve their batting average before being on injury list on AUS tour. Like on the recent outing in WI by IND, they just did not take the challenge to make 96 runs in 17 overs in the th innings of 3rd test match of IND vs WI, and went for a pathetic draw. On the otherside today ZIM fought with tooth and nail to achieve a result, they did not cave in and did not settle for the draw. This kind of approach is not the IND strength. So expect a boring and self serving test series. I wish luck to WI and expect that WI will play a positive game which they are known for.

  • sandeepknk on November 6, 2011, 1:57 GMT

    DROP SACHIN AGAINST WI,BECOZ HE DONE ENOUGH FOR HIMSELF,WE DONT WANT 100 OR 200 CENTURY,WE WANT WIN INDIA.SO DROP HIM AND GIVE CHANCE TO KOHLI AT NO 4 SLOT.

  • Nish_US on November 6, 2011, 1:56 GMT

    where is this telecase live in USA - officially? I do not see it in willow?

    Cricinfo - A suggestion/request please provide a list of official broadcasters for the series in different countries, at least in places like USA, UK, Australia.

  • BULTY on November 6, 2011, 14:24 GMT

    The series is between two Test playing nations and publicity for this aspect of series is missing; whereas the electronic media, as usual, is bent on highlighting Sachin's 100th 100, Dravid's 13000 runs in Test cricket, Sehwag's 100th six in Test cricket etc. If this is the type of outlook the media wants the players to have, where are the teams going to play to win the game? As the first day's game unfolded in Feroze Kotla stadium in Delhi, today, I would say WI walked away with honours after a cautious start & despite losing two quick wickets. One man by name Chanderpaul is standing in the way of India with his awkward stance to nullify the advantage India may enjoy by playing at home. Where India should have restricted WI to less than 200 & taken more wickets on day 1, they lost advantage by insipid fielding and unimaginative field placing that saw uppish catch-able shots miss the fielders many a time and runs leaking aplenty. Wake up India & give us a better show tomorrow,

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on November 6, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    @Tram- No he isn't. 99 centuries he made were a fluke.But one thing comes to my mind, do other batsmen don't play on their pitches? ;) Then why couldn't they score that many?

  • on November 6, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    This is perhaps the stupidest selection by India, putting in Aaron, a bowler who is undoubtedly talented yet only 22 and averaging in excess of 40 in first class cricket. Where is Praveen Kumar, he was perhaps the only bowler who did not disgrace himself on the England tour. Playing Yadav and Aaron just feels like the old story of putting in fast bowlers who will burn out and lose their pace in a couple of years time (Munaf Patel, Ishant Sharma and RP Singh). We need to learn to manage our resources better. Why would you play Yuvraj, he was proved to be inept in the Test format, play Pujara or Vijay who have some future in Test cricket. Absolutely ridiculous selections.

  • on November 6, 2011, 3:06 GMT

    Go ahead India : Go ahead and underestimate West Indies. We like it that way. You underestimated the value of playing West Indies and went to England having not given the tour of West Indies serious attenttion and you got pulverized in England----not a game won !! ha ha ha

  • TRAM on November 6, 2011, 2:57 GMT

    It doesn't matter if India wins against WI or not. All we want is Sachin score his 100th 100. Does not matter if he plays for his personal score. Does not matter if he could not score against big fast bowlers like Glen McGrath or Shaun Pollock in their pitches. Once he scores his 100th hundred that will be the proof that he is the greatest batsman ever. (all sarcastic , in case some dont get it).

  • mrcool on November 6, 2011, 2:55 GMT

    Rohit sharma should have been givenchances in test match instead of odi...He has good technique...His transformation should have been like dravid from test to odi..unfortunately selectors did wrong..same for Mukund.

  • on November 6, 2011, 2:21 GMT

    The inclusion of Sammy and Carlton Baugh in the team is bad for the WI, Ramdin should have been the captain in the first place, so the team should read Barath, Powell or Braithwaithe, Edwards, Bravo, Chanderpaul, Samuels , Ramdin, (Captain and wicketkeeper) Roach Rampaul, Fidel Edwards and Bisho This would be the best WI to face India, with 3 Genuine fast bowlers and a quality spinner and rember Samuels can bowl as well . Sammy and Baugh are both useless in the team and should be dropped immediately , come on selectors do the right thing.

  • BravoBravo on November 6, 2011, 2:04 GMT

    Another boring series is in the offing. Reasons: IND will do everything to whitewash WI by playing defensive, thus gain some respect after getting whitewashed by ENG. But either WI or IND are not capable of whitewashing each other anymore. Previously injured IND batsmen will try to improve their batting average before being on injury list on AUS tour. Like on the recent outing in WI by IND, they just did not take the challenge to make 96 runs in 17 overs in the th innings of 3rd test match of IND vs WI, and went for a pathetic draw. On the otherside today ZIM fought with tooth and nail to achieve a result, they did not cave in and did not settle for the draw. This kind of approach is not the IND strength. So expect a boring and self serving test series. I wish luck to WI and expect that WI will play a positive game which they are known for.

  • sandeepknk on November 6, 2011, 1:57 GMT

    DROP SACHIN AGAINST WI,BECOZ HE DONE ENOUGH FOR HIMSELF,WE DONT WANT 100 OR 200 CENTURY,WE WANT WIN INDIA.SO DROP HIM AND GIVE CHANCE TO KOHLI AT NO 4 SLOT.

  • Nish_US on November 6, 2011, 1:56 GMT

    where is this telecase live in USA - officially? I do not see it in willow?

    Cricinfo - A suggestion/request please provide a list of official broadcasters for the series in different countries, at least in places like USA, UK, Australia.

  • RandyOZ on November 6, 2011, 1:28 GMT

    Come on Windies, reach your true potential!!!

  • NRI- on November 6, 2011, 1:23 GMT

    Each of Andre Russell and Jerome Taylor bowl AND bat far better than Sammy and one of them deserves the third seamer's slot behind Edwards and Rampaul. Yuvraj as a favorite is a joke really - each of Rahane, Kohli, Mukund, Rohit and many many others including Jaffer and Dinesh Karthik are better batsmen. I hope Yuvraj fails so that once & for all , he is forgotten about. India are lucky that Munaf and Zaheer ARE injured, Aaron would do a lot better than either of them.

  • johnathonjosephs on November 6, 2011, 1:21 GMT

    When countries are touring India, I think it is essential that you need one good spin bowler and the rest must be fast. Even though the subcontinent has spinning conditions, the Indians are the best players of spin and unless you are Murali (only spinner I know who has had moderate success against India, but then again his record IN India is not good). I think given the form that the Indian batsman are in, the West Indies can restrict India to maybe below 350-400. Then again, its IN India (INdia). West Indies have the daunting task of facing the Indian spinners, and judging by recent games, they don't look like the best players of spin. Will be a test for West Indies. Series is successful for them if they can keep a draw

  • on November 6, 2011, 0:40 GMT

    It's goin be a gud arena for ung Indian colts ;-) as well as good gathering of Indian big guns after injuries

  • Silloh on November 6, 2011, 0:19 GMT

    No dis respect meant to Sammy at all. He is doing a great job, but the West Indies probable team should include Roach at the expense of Sammy, and Ramdhin as skipper and wicketkeeper replacing Baugh. Our bowling will therefore include, Edwards, Rampaul, Roach, Bishoo and Samuels. If Sammy is playing ,then it will be at the expense of Roach whose form is not currently on target. In addition Adrian Bharath should be rested and Powel be selected tol open with Brathwaite

  • gitapat on November 6, 2011, 0:07 GMT

    The Indian test team even with Dhoni and Yuvraj both of whom are unfit to play Test cricket is strong enough to best this West Indies team.And I hope the selectors have the guts to drop them after this series as they have done with Harbhajan.

  • on November 5, 2011, 23:47 GMT

    Anyways even if Mukund had been picked in the squad now, he would do nothing but warming the bench and carrying drinks...

  • Nampally on November 5, 2011, 23:12 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay: Thanks for your support on fitness issue. Yes Sachin was also on the injured list but he has been seen at the recent CLT20 matches. So he has been involved & is practicing.This is not the case with Yuvraj, Ishant & to some extent Sehwag, who said a couple weeks back that he has not started throwing the ball hard. If so he should not risk his shoulder - Either Dravid or Rahane(Mukund not in the squad) can open with Gambhir.The lessons learnt in England tour must be implemented. Fitness, Form & keenness are vital.On Kotla wkt. the ball is supposed to have uneven bounce. Rahul Sharma with his bouncy leg breaks will be an obvious choice since spin is unlikely till Day 4. I am inclined to go with Aaron & Yadav as 2 pacemen + Rahul & Ashwin in spin. The choice of last place is between Ishant, Ojha, Yuvraj & Kohli. With Fab 3 not in regular play, I would be inclined to opt for Kohli who is a brilliant fielder in batting form & can chip in with " accurate Slow Medium Fast".

  • NikhilNair on November 5, 2011, 23:10 GMT

    "It is reassuring that the over-my-dead-body Shivnarine Chanderpaul remains relevant to Test cricket." LOL! Good one! Though I'm an Indian fan, I have to say Chanders will be the backbone of WI batting and a big game changer! It'll be a very interesting test for the bowlers... hopefully they'll come out on top. Umesh or Varun... PLEASE IMPRESS! We desperately need ONE fast bowler! The rest will follow. Good luck to both teams!

  • earli on November 5, 2011, 22:55 GMT

    thank you Dravid_Gravitas i agree with you about gayle.

  • Metman on November 5, 2011, 22:00 GMT

    I don't see the WI bowling out this Indian team twice,and I will be very much surprised if that Indian attack manages to bowl out the WI team twice also !Therefore ,the series should end in a draw.The best the eleven that the WI could put on the field,should be Barath,Powell(a left and right at the top),Edwards,Bravo ,Samuels, Chanders,Baugh,Sammy,Roach,Edwards,Bishoo.I would pick Roach over Rampaul,because Rampaul is only good for a first spell,after that he tires rapidly !or put Edwards to open in place of Powell,and draft in Rampaul.The latter sounds more reasonable to me.I don't see why Baugh and Sammy should'nt score about 60 or 70 runs between them against that bowling attack.

  • on November 5, 2011, 21:53 GMT

    i would like to see kohli at 6 if we are going 2 fast bowlers and 2 spinners... because he can be used a part timer.... if india is going with 3 fast bowlers i wud like 2 see uvaraj at 6....

  • on November 5, 2011, 21:25 GMT

    What's happened to Shane Shillingford? They need 2 good spinners in India. His action had been cleared and he is in the squasd. Maybe I'm desperate for him to play because I know him personally and he used to coach me ! Lol

  • itsthewayuplay on November 5, 2011, 20:12 GMT

    @Nampally In addition I would also question Sachin's fitness. The only way for players to prove fitness is in domestic games no matter who you are even the great Sachin. I really wonder whether the BCCI needs the big names to get bums on seats. If there is going to be real change in the mindset of Indian cricket at international level then every player must earn their place in the squad and the first critrion is fitness after having proved form at domestic level for newcomers. New players must be given an extended run such as Mukund. Form for established players is a more difficult issue because working through a bad period can often lead to a player becoming a better one in the long run. So I don't believe in dropping a player because he has a bad series.

  • on November 5, 2011, 19:53 GMT

    @Waqar Afzaal, It is very good bowling attack for sure. Especially they don't bowl nos and their captain don't encourage them to do so ;)

  • salilnagvekar on November 5, 2011, 19:27 GMT

    Yuvraj is no good for test cricket it should b either Rahane or Kohli keeping in mind the retirements due

  • cool2cool on November 5, 2011, 19:01 GMT

    @ spence1324: If WI do well in the series, it will only prove that only one team can't play on spinner friedly pitches and hence lost 5-0 (and 5-0, 5-1 previously).

  • wolf777 on November 5, 2011, 18:48 GMT

    From Punjab Vs UP Ranji Trophy scorecard Bowling O M R W Econ Harbhajan Singh 28 6 92 0 3.28

    Good drop?

  • Smithie on November 5, 2011, 18:41 GMT

    @Correctcall the best thing to get India to have a change of heart on DRS is for Sachin to be given out on 99 by a howler three times in the series. Then you might see pigs flying !

  • micronizer on November 5, 2011, 18:37 GMT

    With the top 7 batsmen in India's list of probales averaging an age of 33yrs 341 days, this must be the oldest top order in a batting line-up ever.

  • Randy_Wilson on November 5, 2011, 18:14 GMT

    @ mrhamilton you forgot K Edward in the batting line up, He also Played Well against India in West Indies. he scored his first 100 Run. Daren Bravo may have scored that 150 + be he is not consistent. check his past 5 matches and you will see what i mean. right now West Indies have a POOR opening pair. yeah If gayle was opening would of make a different, But who care Cricket is NOT a one man game, We need everyone even the Captain MAINLY need to step all together and Bring out the best in the team and just Dont depend on one and two people in the team to make runs. Weall talk about old member , Check the HISTORY between WI and India and you will see even with the best west Indies 11 WITHOUT SAMMY, West Indies Never a Test match against India since 2002. yet they had one of the best Teams on paper, it's time we give these young player our support and HOPE they can improve their Cricket and give West Indies a Bright future.

  • krish45 on November 5, 2011, 17:56 GMT

    The problem with we, Indians is "we go more by the image of the player than his form, we go by hisr past reputation thanhis present form and we never follow a 'Horses for the bourses' policy. All the so-called front-line batsmen are coming back after forced pay-off due to injury etc and are, therefore, susceptible to genuine pace bowling due to inadequate reflexes. To cap it all, we are thinking of preferring Yuvaraj Singh to an in-form Virat Kohli. (Our commentators will shouting from the Roof-top (literally too since they are sitting high above the ground, above the Ground-realities too) that "Form is temporary but Class is permanent". This is our way of grooming youngsters.

  • on November 5, 2011, 17:54 GMT

    lol. india will play test cricket without bowlers haha. first get some god bowlers then play test cricket!

  • on November 5, 2011, 17:42 GMT

    Please advice Sachin to get out of Cricket. Let him to give youngsters a chance.......

  • correctcall on November 5, 2011, 17:41 GMT

    Fingers crossed the umpires have a good series and it is not decided by howlers. On the other hand if the howler count goes against India they may rethink their position on DRS. (and pigs might fly !)

  • on November 5, 2011, 17:28 GMT

    India can be beaten. I back West Indies to continue to do well. West Indies should have won against India in the West Indies and in the recent World Cup. India is there for the taking with inexperienced bowlers and over the hill batters. Cheese on Bread ! I like Um. Bim I love you and Fidel , Kirk -THE EDWARDS and Kraigg Bratwaite with Kemar Roach and the whole West Indies Team !-----Windies lets go !!!

  • spence1324 on November 5, 2011, 17:20 GMT

    Best of luck to the WI,lets hope india will continue to be brought down.

  • 2.14istherunrate on November 5, 2011, 17:19 GMT

    There seems to be great excitement over the two new Indian quicks, but in reality at least one and probably both will have disappeared from the international scene within a few months. A while back there were two new very fast bowlers in Ankola and Wassan and it was all very exciting- we were told. Both disappeared without trace. I predict that the book 'India- the fast men' will remain a very slim volume for a while yet, and the title will be more a reflection of the speed of pretender's disappearance than any Indian's pace through the air.India should revert to type and play 3 spinners-always.

  • svel on November 5, 2011, 17:19 GMT

    i personally feel that Umesh should be considered ahead of Aaron... Cos Umesh has more pace than aaron and swings the ball away... whereas aaron bowls dead straight and that will not help in tests. and definitely yuvraj in the eleven.

  • on November 5, 2011, 17:16 GMT

    no need for ojha boring bowleronly contains batsmen....play with yadav,aaron,ishant,ashwin+yuvraj or drop yuvraj and play rahul sharma becozwith 5 bowlers n ashwin+rahul sharma = better batsman than yuvi in testthey both can bat..

  • Mahabirville on November 5, 2011, 16:57 GMT

    not a bad idea to go into the test in india wit one specialist spinner.....sachin, gambir, raul, yuvraj...all great players at spin....so fidel and ravi and maybe sammy can cause some problems on this slow pitch....i would like keiran powell to open wit barath, he is the moe confident player btw him and braithwatte....and the rest of our side is very well balanced...jus want to see more bowling from sammy...the reason why ppl down rate him is because he doesnt give himself more opportunities for taking wickets...but i do however praise is impressive captaining

  • on November 5, 2011, 15:52 GMT

    @Sat Matharu. I fully agree with you, on all the points you made.

  • on November 5, 2011, 15:37 GMT

    "TALK"... I mean, talk of Sachin's 100th hundred has become stale chicken tikkas being served before the main course. PLEASE, please don't serve it. If and when the real thing comes along, all of us will rejoice on such a fabulous achievement of a great player -- not that he need that embellishment to be one of the game's greats.

  • wolf777 on November 5, 2011, 15:28 GMT

    Cricinfo is suggesting that India go in with only four bowlers. What happens if Ishant Sharma breakdowns in the first innings? He is carrying on with a bum knee that needs surgery. Playing two fast bowlers in Test matches in India killed promising careers of Irfan Pathan and turned Munaf and Zaheer into medium pacers. I don't see any different future for Arron of Umesh Yadav as long as India keep playing only four bowlers. What is the ugly fetish of going in with the sixth batsman in every Test match?

  • on November 5, 2011, 15:25 GMT

    Has anyone checked the fitness of Ishant, Sehwag, VVS and (don't accuse me of blasphemy) Sachin?

  • siltbreeze on November 5, 2011, 15:14 GMT

    @poolerd 'Gayle is all positive energy'?! You clearly didn't see him on WI's early season tour of England a couple of years ago - standing in the slips, shoulders hunched, hands in pockets, looking thoroughly disinterested. The man exuded boredom and negativity and his team were a shambles. He's undoubtedly a great player, but under Gibson and Sammy I see more energy, more discipline and better preparation.

  • on November 5, 2011, 15:09 GMT

    It will be a nice contest between westindian seamers and indian batsmen same for indian spinners and west indian batsmen..i would prefer varun aaron ahead of yadav in indian team and ravi rampaul then roach for windies...

  • mrhamilton on November 5, 2011, 15:06 GMT

    well it dont need i man fi say that dis is a very weak windian batting line up. So what to do. Do we go with 6 batters and hope on a flat track they can survive and bat it out...? On the other hand i have higher hopes for this windian bowling attack for the first time in a long time.. I also feel maybe we should go with roach/edwards/bishoo/rampaul and obviously darren sammy and attack the indians. But the bottom line is this is the strongest batting line up in world cricket on their home turf...but they also have ishant sharma not standing a weak bowling line up.....u know what i say the windies go with 5 bowlers and attack.....lets just hope shiv and bravo and baugh can do something to put decent scores on. I have no faith in barath and the othrs here. If we had Gayle back we might have had our bets hope against india in india right now to catch them now.

  • on November 5, 2011, 15:04 GMT

    considering that the next series is down under, shouldnt india be playing on more lively pitches like the one in Mohali (atleast lively considering other tracks in india) rather than playing in Delhi, Mumbai, and Kolkatta, where the ball wont even bounce above knees..

  • samincolumbia on November 5, 2011, 14:50 GMT

    India does not have bowlers to take 20 wickets period. Ishant is temperamental and not reliable unlike Zaheer. He gets flustered easily and loses focus. Aaron or Yadav are newbies and while they have pace, they are not accurate. It will be upto the batsmen to pile up runs and pressure the WI. But the WI bowlers could prove to be handful.

  • buntyj on November 5, 2011, 14:33 GMT

    as pointed out recently by ian chappell to oz selectors, pace bowlers need to be selected early when they have pace; with swing bowlers, spinners n batsmen its usually worth grooming them for a few seasons; in india bowlers bowling 140 are either not selected or made to wait till their pace is declining while batsmen, spinners etc can be selected almost directly from u19.

  • buntyj on November 5, 2011, 14:27 GMT

    for windies bishoo will be a threat but more so at eden, mumbai where flight is more useful than of late at kotla; he may be the top wicket taker for windies n may surprise a couple of indians ; between aaron n yadav aaron has more potential, tho both good n should be encouraged, n has thru ipl some acquaintance with kotla and has a gift for polishing of tail which has been a prob for india over the years even with the spin quartet; however, yadav has a gift of getting wickets even with not so good bowling and aaron sometimes bowls well for no wickets. so its interesting who will get the nod ; both should go to australia (would be useful to select both at melbourne n perth); neither sreesanth nor bhajji have bowled well in opening ranji. ishants home ground n will be helped by uneven bounce but if hes delaying necessary surgery till after australia tour its surely a big risk for him n india; abu nechem ahmed has sometimes looked an useful lfm swing bowler ; any comments ? n jadeja ?

  • Haleos on November 5, 2011, 14:27 GMT

    it would be have been nice if old stalwarts like VVS and Dravid sat out of this series so that young guns can try their hands at test cricket. Kohli, Yuvi, Badri, Rahane all could have been tried. But of course Indian players/BCCI would never have that kind of foresightedness. They will keep playing till they are selected without thinking about the country ala Mark Waugh.

  • buntyj on November 5, 2011, 14:14 GMT

    kotla has uneven bounce especially in 2nd innings- turn is usually slow; while ojha's flight should be useful in eden, mumbai; this should be the pitch that favours rahul sharma especially n tall ashwin the most; so i would suggest rahul here with whoever of rahul n ashwin fails at kotla making way for ojha at eden; rahane is a top order bat and not a no 6; between yuvi n kohli, kohli is a better bat (both are suspect vs bounce but kohli may improve) n fielder n yuvi's sla will be redundant if ojha plays while kohlis slow medium may be useful (remember bhatias success for delhi as a bowler here); however, i expect yuvi will get the nod due to indian crickets emphasis on seniority rather than merit; fortunately tall sammy is only medium n may not exploit the uneven bounce or deliver serious chin music, rampaul is a swing bowler, n fidel is short round arm with a focus more on yorkers than bouncers;not bad but they will miss a couple of tall young pacers left home

  • poolerd on November 5, 2011, 13:58 GMT

    West Indies batting is not the problem i believe they will hold there own. We cannot win this test on any test for that matter with just two fast bowlers. We must play to our strength and we must play with Edwards, Roach and Rampaul. A batsman must be sacrifice (unless Sammy get hurt LOL) and that bat should be an opener and have K. Edwards open. So my 11 is Sammy (Cpt), Kerian Powell, Kirk Edwards, Darren Bravo, Marlon Samuels, Shiv Chanderpaul, Carlton Baugh, Kemar Roach, Ravi Rampaul, Divender Bishoo Fidel Edwards. @Dravid_Gravitas you know nothing of Chris Gayle if you did you would know Gayle is all positive energy. Only in WI, u think India wouldn't play a sit Sachin, or England a fit Peterson, or Sri Lanka a fit Dilshan but we sit out Gayle. You think this is about Gayle lol lol when one of those same young cricketers get great like Bravo and an IPL, English and Australia team want him. The same will happen to him watch and see i am only waiting. Miss yah Gayle WI NEED U!!!!!

  • PaddyRasta on November 5, 2011, 13:50 GMT

    @ Godfrey Pieters I do not agree. If the WK was really a batsman to be relied upon, I'd say yes but the batting line-up is fragile as it is. An extra bowler will not guarantee 20 wickets but 6 specialist batsmen can avoid defeat. How many wickets e.g. did Roach take in the last Bangladesh Test where Rampaul sat out because of injury? Not even England with their formidable batting line-up plays more than 4 specialist bowlers in Tests. Yes 20 wickets are needed to win but Test cricket is about batting to post a huge total to defend or to stay at the crease and thereby avoid defeat.

  • Nampally on November 5, 2011, 13:36 GMT

    I question the fitness & expected performance of 3 Indian players- Sehwag, Yuvraj & Ishant. All 3 have been out of cricket with injuries. Firstly are they fully recovered & physically fit to stand a 5 day test match? Secondly without proven form, their selection is questionable.Ishant has a serious ankle injury & had no surgery to repair it. Is he physically fit to lead the pace attack? I would prefer the Yadev & Aaron to be the 2 pace bowlers, although inexperienced, yet young & fit. Sehwag was having trouble throwing the ball with his recovering shoulder. Can he throw thw ball now?.Has yuvraj gone down to an acceptable weight & size? India should be doubly careful that they don't put physically unfit guys on the field & use this as an excuse for poor performance as they did in England tour. Put XI fit young guys, even if they are not big name players They will be keen & give their 100% effort to Win, as proven in the recent ODI series against England - Lesson: Never play unfit guys.

  • on November 5, 2011, 13:35 GMT

    as a last resort we could replace Baugh, Brathwait & Powell with Ramdin, Rampaul & Bharat. 1- Ramdin has scored test centuries whereas Baugh tends to be more of a quick flash and he is out. Ramdin would also be a good captain or vc . 2- open the batting with Bharat & Samuels and look to rotate the strike. the left & right hand batting combo may frustrate the line of the Inexperienced pace bowlers. 3-Open the Bowling with Rampaul & Fidel for the first 10 overs. If we dont take any wickets then we can try Roach in short 2/3 over attacking bursts. It would not be wise to bowl Sammy while Sehwag is still at the crease as he has little chance of getting him out, he is more likely to be hammered. 4-All batsmen should look to rotate the strike vs the spinners. do not get bogged down or allow them to dictate terms. 5-Target the older batsmen in the field as much as possible. the more ball chasing they have to do, the more tired and liable to fail they will be when its their turn to bat.

  • on November 5, 2011, 13:31 GMT

    Well Bishoo wl have a big role 2 play!!!!!

  • on November 5, 2011, 13:23 GMT

    i agree with Godfrey Pieters that WI should play 3 quicks+sammy+bishoo. they need 20 wickets mainly.

  • on November 5, 2011, 13:11 GMT

    Since Gayle & Sarwan have become persona nongrata our batting is not what it could be. With our inexperienced batting playing 5 bowlers & five batsmen would be a big risk that i doubt Gibson, Sammy & co would be brave enough to take. our major problem is that Sammy does not cut it as a fielder, batsman or captain. maybe relieving him of the captaincy would help him to put more effort into his catching & batting. Fidel has been bowling well and he is an attacking bowler so he would know more about setting attacking fields to get wickets than Sammy. I think he would be more capable of handling the captaincy than Sammy who is very defensive tactically just as he is with his bowling. If we take the field with a defensive mindset Sehwag & co will tear us to pieces. Even though our bowling isnt quite as impressive as England's or SA we should like they do, look to attack & get early wickets.

  • on November 5, 2011, 13:10 GMT

    I fear Indian selectors have learned nothing from the disastrous series in England & could be in for a rude awakening. They underestimate this Windies team at their peril...Fidel Edwards is in form & bowling fast, Ravi Rampaul / Bishoo are damn good bowlers too. Kirk Edwards & Darren Bravo have quickley found their feet in test cricket & following their performances in Bangladesh will be full of confidence. Say what you like about Darren Sammy, but no one can fault his commitment 7 desire. For India you need to ask are all the returning warhorses really fit & match ready? Or are we to see the same laissez faire attitude that so undermined the us in England ? I personally would have have shook up the old guard by dropping VVS...he had a terrible tour of England & at his age its hard to regain the magic. Surely the time is now for Virat Kohli, he is in form & cannot be held back any longer. I would play him at No. 5 instead of VVS.

  • on November 5, 2011, 12:27 GMT

    To be competitive agst the strongest batting line up in wrld cricket we have to field our strongest bowling lineup, Rampaul, Edwards, Roach, SAMMY, Bishoo, Samuels. We have to use pace,since that is what we have. To field this attack we have to drop a batter. We have to gamble,life is such. So I will open with K. Edwards,he has a sound technique agst pace, he is patient, & has a solid temperament. Kraigg can stand down for this one. And even if we don't play the xtra pacer, I will not play Barath for the 1st test. If my gamble doesn't pay off, we will return to the 3pace attack. Next we must take our catches, they will come, especially in the slips. What do u think? We need 20 wkts.

  • on November 5, 2011, 12:22 GMT

    shiv needs just over 500 runs to make 10,000 hope he gets alot here

  • dhoni_sachin_fan on November 5, 2011, 12:14 GMT

    nice to see the youngsters. surprisingly there is no mention of rahul sharma in the article while the picture shows him practising.

  • dhairya26 on November 5, 2011, 12:12 GMT

    i think varun aaron has done concidrabally more than yadav...he constantaly bowled above 140 and he kept the runs low. he even bowled cook. yadav gave away too many and because the pictch kept low he was able to bowl 2 bowlers..big deal. also we need to get zaheer and munaf to bowl again perhaps in the odis against west indies.. so they can be back in their wicket takeing mindset. go india go...show us the power of bleeding blue

  • on November 5, 2011, 12:06 GMT

    When will Dhoni rest? BCCI needs to give him atleast a test or two to rest.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 5, 2011, 12:05 GMT

    Bring it on guys. Can't wait for the series to start. It'll be a very good contest. Can the pitch behave properly for five days? Will the smog clear quickly? I wish the very best to Windies. Hope it brings out the best out of Shiv for one last time on Indian soil. Hope Kirk and Darren Bravo set the foundation for what's in store for the future. Can Marlon bring back memories of 2002? Unfortunately, Bishoo will lose some confidence here. He is an awesome spinner. But the Indians are the best at negotiating all kinds of spin even on the challenging turning tracks of India. It is going to be a stern test of the youngsters on both sides. Good luck to both the teams, special wishes to the youngsters of both the teams and of course to my favourites Dravid, Shiv, Bravo, Marlon and VVS. Can we please stop castigating Darren Sammy? Haters have to just look at the way the team is playing as a unified group. And thanks that Gayle isn't there to destroy the positive energy in this team.

  • longlivewoodoo on November 5, 2011, 11:50 GMT

    I wish india make white wash of WI so that they can be close to no. One ranking .

  • Raju_Iyer on November 5, 2011, 11:44 GMT

    Test Match cricket is surely wonderful, I don't think India will be complacent at all, let's look forward to some good performances from both sides.

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  • Raju_Iyer on November 5, 2011, 11:44 GMT

    Test Match cricket is surely wonderful, I don't think India will be complacent at all, let's look forward to some good performances from both sides.

  • longlivewoodoo on November 5, 2011, 11:50 GMT

    I wish india make white wash of WI so that they can be close to no. One ranking .

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 5, 2011, 12:05 GMT

    Bring it on guys. Can't wait for the series to start. It'll be a very good contest. Can the pitch behave properly for five days? Will the smog clear quickly? I wish the very best to Windies. Hope it brings out the best out of Shiv for one last time on Indian soil. Hope Kirk and Darren Bravo set the foundation for what's in store for the future. Can Marlon bring back memories of 2002? Unfortunately, Bishoo will lose some confidence here. He is an awesome spinner. But the Indians are the best at negotiating all kinds of spin even on the challenging turning tracks of India. It is going to be a stern test of the youngsters on both sides. Good luck to both the teams, special wishes to the youngsters of both the teams and of course to my favourites Dravid, Shiv, Bravo, Marlon and VVS. Can we please stop castigating Darren Sammy? Haters have to just look at the way the team is playing as a unified group. And thanks that Gayle isn't there to destroy the positive energy in this team.

  • on November 5, 2011, 12:06 GMT

    When will Dhoni rest? BCCI needs to give him atleast a test or two to rest.

  • dhairya26 on November 5, 2011, 12:12 GMT

    i think varun aaron has done concidrabally more than yadav...he constantaly bowled above 140 and he kept the runs low. he even bowled cook. yadav gave away too many and because the pictch kept low he was able to bowl 2 bowlers..big deal. also we need to get zaheer and munaf to bowl again perhaps in the odis against west indies.. so they can be back in their wicket takeing mindset. go india go...show us the power of bleeding blue

  • dhoni_sachin_fan on November 5, 2011, 12:14 GMT

    nice to see the youngsters. surprisingly there is no mention of rahul sharma in the article while the picture shows him practising.

  • on November 5, 2011, 12:22 GMT

    shiv needs just over 500 runs to make 10,000 hope he gets alot here

  • on November 5, 2011, 12:27 GMT

    To be competitive agst the strongest batting line up in wrld cricket we have to field our strongest bowling lineup, Rampaul, Edwards, Roach, SAMMY, Bishoo, Samuels. We have to use pace,since that is what we have. To field this attack we have to drop a batter. We have to gamble,life is such. So I will open with K. Edwards,he has a sound technique agst pace, he is patient, & has a solid temperament. Kraigg can stand down for this one. And even if we don't play the xtra pacer, I will not play Barath for the 1st test. If my gamble doesn't pay off, we will return to the 3pace attack. Next we must take our catches, they will come, especially in the slips. What do u think? We need 20 wkts.

  • on November 5, 2011, 13:10 GMT

    I fear Indian selectors have learned nothing from the disastrous series in England & could be in for a rude awakening. They underestimate this Windies team at their peril...Fidel Edwards is in form & bowling fast, Ravi Rampaul / Bishoo are damn good bowlers too. Kirk Edwards & Darren Bravo have quickley found their feet in test cricket & following their performances in Bangladesh will be full of confidence. Say what you like about Darren Sammy, but no one can fault his commitment 7 desire. For India you need to ask are all the returning warhorses really fit & match ready? Or are we to see the same laissez faire attitude that so undermined the us in England ? I personally would have have shook up the old guard by dropping VVS...he had a terrible tour of England & at his age its hard to regain the magic. Surely the time is now for Virat Kohli, he is in form & cannot be held back any longer. I would play him at No. 5 instead of VVS.

  • on November 5, 2011, 13:11 GMT

    Since Gayle & Sarwan have become persona nongrata our batting is not what it could be. With our inexperienced batting playing 5 bowlers & five batsmen would be a big risk that i doubt Gibson, Sammy & co would be brave enough to take. our major problem is that Sammy does not cut it as a fielder, batsman or captain. maybe relieving him of the captaincy would help him to put more effort into his catching & batting. Fidel has been bowling well and he is an attacking bowler so he would know more about setting attacking fields to get wickets than Sammy. I think he would be more capable of handling the captaincy than Sammy who is very defensive tactically just as he is with his bowling. If we take the field with a defensive mindset Sehwag & co will tear us to pieces. Even though our bowling isnt quite as impressive as England's or SA we should like they do, look to attack & get early wickets.