India v West Indies, 4th ODI, Indore

Worried India look to snuff out Windies resurgence

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December 7, 2011

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Match facts

Thursday, December 8
Start time 1430 (0900 GMT)

Darren Sammy is pumped up after effecting Rohit Sharma's run out, India v West Indies, 3rd ODI, Ahmedabad, December 5, 2011
Will Darren Sammy be celebrating after the game on Thursday? © AFP
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Big Picture

Darren Sammy's reactions at the end of each game on this tour have been fascinating to watch. Resignation after the hammering in the Eden Garden's Test, unabashed school-boy glee following the nerve-jangling draw in Mumbai, and agony after being denied by Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron in Cuttack. The best of the lot came in Ahmedabad, though, when Sammy lasered down the stumps from mid-on to run out Rohit Sharma and all but confirm West Indies' first win on tour. He leapt, yelled, pumped his fists and could barely control the adrenaline rush as he charged towards his team-mates. Sammy will be determined to recreate that feeling with the series still up for grabs.

West Indies have played better cricket than the hosts in the ODI series, but that isn't saying much. Their top order has been asked to bat in all three games - a rare streak of extended generosity on the flat decks of the subcontinent - but has floundered against India's young seamers, before steadily losing momentum against spin in the middle overs. They haven't been as disadvantaged by the dew as expected in any of the matches, yet have allowed the action to drift along after making major incisions with the new ball. The catching has been poor, the captaincy worse, and on both counts Sammy has been the biggest culprit.

The visitors' lapses mean India need only one win to take the series, but concerns abound for the home side ahead of the Indore ODI. The 2-1 scoreline doesn't quite convey how much they have been stretched. West Indies had no business letting India's last pair sneak home in the opening ODI, and have toyed with the hosts' pop-gun attack in the slog overs in both games since. Bowling meltdowns in the death have become so routine that India don't panic when it happens anymore (think of the World Cup final). The bigger worry is the prolonged top order funk, and more specifically the lack of runs from Virender Sehwag and Gautam Gambhir. They have two games to hit upon some form ahead of far sterner tests in Australia. Will they shake off the rust in Indore?

Form guide

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In the spotlight

His fans have been clamouring for this day for months on end, often disregarding form, and at times even ignoring his injury status. Irfan Pathan is back in the mix, but crucially, he is in form and fitter than he has been at any stage since he last played for India. His resurgence has come the hard way, with wickets by the bunch in the Ranji season, and the banana swing that made him such a rage in 2003-4 has also shown promising signs of reappearance. Can he transfer the rhythm and skill to the white ball?

At Motera, Sunil Narine walked up to the cauldron like he belonged and performed without a fuss. The much-feared topspinner made an early appearance, but he got his wickets with an offbreak and a carom ball. If the ball stays dry in Indore, expect him to parade a few more of his unique variations.

Pitch and conditions

The Motera game featured strange crop patterns on the outfield as the groundsmen went a touch overboard with their creativity. There will, however, be no such gimmickry at the Holkar Stadium where heavy seasonal dew in the evenings has dissuaded chief curator Samandar Singh Chouhan and his team from removing any grass from the outfield. According to Mail Today, Chouhan is betting big on an anti-dew chemical that has been routinely sprayed on the outfield in the lead-up to the game. Expect India to field again if they win the toss, unless Sehwag believes batting in the afternoon will offer a better chance to regain some form.

Team news

West Indies' best batsman on the tour, Darren Bravo, is out with a hamstring injury. The replacement is most likely to be Adrian Barath, though Kieran Powell deserves a chance after batting impressively in the Tests.

West Indies (possible): 1 Lendl Simmons, 2 Adrian Barath / Kieran Powell, 3 Marlon Samuels, 4 Danza Hyatt, 5 Kieron Pollard, 6 Denesh Ramdin (wk), 7 Darren Sammy (capt), 8 Andre Russell, 9 Ravi Rampaul, 10 Kemar Roach, 11 Sunil Narine

Umesh Yadav is flying to Australia early, which means Varun Aaron has the chance to return to the XI. It will be a tricky call for Sehwag to make: Irfan Pathan and Vinay Kumar will both expect to play since they are the more experienced seamers in the ODI side. But neither is going to Australia for the Tests; Abhimanyu Mithun and Aaron, who are likely to tussle for the third seamer's spot in Indore, are.

India (possible): 1 Parthiv Patel (wk), 2 Virender Sehwag (capt), 3 Gautam Gambhir, 4 Virat Kohli, 5 Rohit Sharma, 6 Suresh Raina, 7 Ravindra Jadeja, 8 Irfan Pathan, 9 R Ashwin, 10 R Vinay Kumar, 11 Varun Aaron / Abhimanyu Mithun

Stats and trivia

  • Rohit Sharma has amassed 514 runs against West Indies in 2011 - already the highest by any batsman against them in a calendar year
  • This will be the first day-night international ever played at the Holkar Stadium. The venue has hosted two ODIs prior to this one, with India beating England in both.


    "It's difficult to say I am satisfied when you are losing. But we have shown a lot of spirit and created opportunities to win."
    Ottis Gibson, the West Indies coach, repeats something he and Sammy have said all tour

    "It feels great to be leading the Indian attack. The new ball suits me very well because I am more a swing bowler."
    Vinay Kumar is keen to continue new-ball duties

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Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 10:08 GMT)

Good start& looks as if the Captain& his partner are compensating for their lack of form earlier in this series.THATS A VERY GOOD SIGN& signal! But the decision to bowl second & inclusion of Rahul ahead of Pathan is wise,time only can tell.! But if a big score is posted on the board,it is always a good decision.Let us await the outcome of this match as Cricket is a game of Glorious Uncentainty.Sometimes will power alone reign the game! That's what the Glorious History of the Game tells.A typical instance is the loss of WI ahead of win to lift the W/C a fourth time in 1983& in favor of Will power is the tremendous knock from Kapil Dev against Zimbabve which paved way for our entry into the final with WI. Sreedharan Mundanat

Posted by Dr.Vindaloo on (December 8, 2011, 9:17 GMT)

India v West Indies, 4th ODI, Indore. Yawn.

Posted by OMGitsSrikanth on (December 8, 2011, 8:51 GMT)

Give Irfan Pathan a chance at least!!!!its going to very bad late in evening today and shewag had to face many questions if lost this match by picking rahul sharma and series is 2-2.No body is willing to listen the excuses then..All d best Shewag/srikanth..:)

Posted by Majorsonu on (December 8, 2011, 8:39 GMT)

What the hell ! They have not picked up Irfan !!!.....then why did they chose him in 15 men...? He could have played Ranji Matches....

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 8:34 GMT)

preview by " Nitin sundar " , It is none other than an Indian who discourage or disrespect Indians and Indian Talents. Just explain Mr.Sundar, why this topic is titled " WORRIED INDIA" , why India needs to worry, They are the world champions in ODIs, Won the Test Series 2-0, Leading the ODI series 2-1. There is no way Indians are in worrieng state !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 8:23 GMT)

well a strong west indies team is a must for cricket survival. Dis team is better than team of last decade, it has capability of become really strong team. Gayle can do no difference when he was in team then 2 they were losing badly at least now they are competing. Sammy is doing good job as captain building the team. He is a really good hitter and can bang sixes he should come when team needs to accelarate. the matter is batting order and their slow progress in first 20 overs. they shud sent some big hitting guy russell will be the best option to trash the opposition bowling in 15 overs. after that they can play the routine one day middle overs play of rotating strike. after 35 overs they should again take a blast they have some really big hitting guys samuels, pollard, sammy and the record holder rampaul

Posted by WaldermaltCricketer on (December 8, 2011, 8:15 GMT)

overrated IND will be THRASHED by Windies. IND wins matches just because of LUCK. Shewag is not a good captain. Same like SL poor captain Dilshan. Gautham Ghambhir will be a more effective captain than Shewag. Anyway Wishing All The Very Best To WINDIES..!!!!

Posted by Haleos on (December 8, 2011, 8:08 GMT)

Not sure I would call Aron and Yadav as pop gun Nitin. Also Mithun was no that slow. Other than Vinay all have good pace. Are u still writing for the England series?

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 8:06 GMT)

At Ahmedbad the poor performance by star-studded team India is the reason for West Indies resurgence. Our top batsmen namely Shewag, Gambhir and Suresh Raina are to perform failing; and if they clique I am sure a total of 330 is winnable. Why are our top batsmen chasing the away going delivery in a foolish manner. Let them first middle the ball and once they are confident they can opt for clearing the grounds. We won the World cup semis against Australia in Ahmedbad but unfortunately team India under Viru is giving a shaky start with quick dismissals. While from one side Parthiv Patel is middling the ball, why does the captain batting on the non-striker hold his ground. While none was available to support poor Rohith has to carry the risk. Taking the cue from M S Dhoni Viru has a long way to go and let wisdom prevail to allow team India chase or built a big score.

Posted by atuljain1969 on (December 8, 2011, 8:02 GMT)

With spate of injuries occuring to Indian pacers, it is high time that consistent and unique performers in domestic matches are given a look in the Indian squad. I am sure on this australian tour at least 3 to 4 of the pacers will get injured and we need to have reserve bowlers identified now.

It is also inportant to expose them to international matches on a rotational basis.

Already we are down with - Praveen, Munaf, Srisanth, while Irfan, Zaheer are coming back from injury. RP, Aravind, Dinda, Vinay, Nehra, Sangwan, Pankaj singh are only the few options available and frankly speaking they do not inspire a lot.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 7:55 GMT)

Even though being an Indian, on a basis of India clinically whitewashing England and New Zealand in last two home series I really belived that West Indies puled up surprise and even played better than India in on going ODI series.West indies could have made the scoreline 3-0 easily if not 2-1 up till now if they have nt dropped too many catches and missed chances.The Darren Sammy Captaincy has been average but still he done a Good job too.Players like Lara,Walsh,Hooper.Chris Gayle had Captained but never improved the standard and fortune of West Indian cricket in last 15 -20 years,It will be too much demanding from Sammy who are handling inexperienced bunch of cricketters.Darren Sammy is stil new to this captaincy role and it is unfair to critcise him regularly as under him West Indies pushed India hard in on going series.

Posted by raghupavi on (December 8, 2011, 7:48 GMT)

sehwag has no confident to lead the Indian team. while fielding and batting his face has been very dull to look him and also he had some confuse to choose bat or bowl first. he always say due is main factor but i didnt identify any due in any matches. i dont have any hope he and gambir will score more runs.

Posted by bingohaley on (December 8, 2011, 7:46 GMT)

I hope India gets whipped! That will be fun!

Posted by manusloving_89 on (December 8, 2011, 7:42 GMT)

hopefully sehwag will retain his form back and so is gambhir..india should bat first if we have the toss.sehwag needs to spend time out in the middle and should play his natural game..if india has to do good in ausies he should fire at any cost..and, i dont quite understand why selectors picked mithun for ausie tour..i think he is not upto international level yet..its going to be an utter waste..

Posted by amitmeghraj on (December 8, 2011, 7:07 GMT)

Kudos to the windies for having displayed so much courage and fight . RESPECT !!!!!!!!

Posted by g.narsimha on (December 8, 2011, 6:46 GMT)

SIHAYA,ask your great bolwlers ,i dont thing they will forget the thrashing they got from SAHWAAG all over the cricketing world where ever they bowled to him ,ask GUL, IT APPEARS HE STILL HAS NOT recovered from the truama ,for the thrashing he got from SAHWAAG in WC SF.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 6:30 GMT)

welcome back irfan :) nice to c u again, defenetly need your batting too

Posted by roversgate on (December 8, 2011, 6:17 GMT)

Batting order for this match: (1) Sehwag (2) Rahane (3) Parthiv (4) Kohli (5) Sharma (6) Raina (7) Jadeja (8) Pathan (9) Ashwin (10) Kumar (11) Aaron

Send Gambhir to Australia with the others. He is out of form and getting adjusted to Aussie conditions could be exactly what he needs to make a comeback. Having a dismal 5-match ODI series is not the best warm-up.

If we win then last game batting order can be:

(1) Sehwag (2) Rahane (3) Parthiv (4) Tiwary (5) Sharma (6) Raina (7) Jadeja (8) Pathan (9) Kumar (10) Aaron/Mithun (11) Rahul Sharma

That would let Kohli get some rest and potentially go to Aus early seeing as he is #6 in tests right now. Ashwin too in the same boat to get adjusted to Aus conditions or enjoy a little break. If we don't win then use same line-up as last time and take a decision on Aaron or Mithun based on the 4th ODI performance of Aaron.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 6:11 GMT)

@ Syed Shahzeb Hassan trashing minnows bangladesh and beating a weak srilankan side doesn't make u champions ...apart from Younis Khan u guys can't even find a consistant top order batsman..u guys have got a cple of spinners who can only turn on dust bowl pitches ...let us see what u guys do against England the pace of broad,Anderson,Bresan ,Finn and spin of swann will blow u away

Posted by g.narsimha on (December 8, 2011, 5:58 GMT)

SYADSHAHZEBHASSAN,So dreaming again,i cant stop my self laughing on reading your coments , the famous hindi saying is apropriate in this contest which says BEGAANA SHAADI MEY ABDULLAH happy in anticipation.

Posted by Sudhakar86 on (December 8, 2011, 5:57 GMT)

If the senior players are not taking this series seriously then they better stay out and give chance to youngsters like Rahane, Rahul sharma. I guess WI are pretty ordinary against spin n why not india play with two lead spinners. Also Raina/Rohit/Kohli and Sehwag himself must chip in with bowling. PP is totally waste as a batsman. Better use him at no.3 as a pinch hitter.

Posted by PaddyRasta on (December 8, 2011, 5:43 GMT)

@simonviller Agree with you. What goes around comes around. India were beaten fair and square. They can blame the umpires who are human and will make genuine mistakes at times. But instead, they should blame their own administrators of their game who do not want to use UDRS.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 5:37 GMT)

I dont know how many would agree, but this just goes on to prove how poor England are outside 'green, lively pitches'. Bravo West Indies, or should i say Sammy West Indies

Posted by yetipower on (December 8, 2011, 5:31 GMT)

First thing,its good that young players are getting chance and comeback of irfan will make a difference physiologically since he is one of the best Indian bowler of all time.

This game will be a open for both of team since WI has shown a "Fight-back" attitude and India has a winning run against them.As far as form of captain & gautaum concern it's a matter of concern actually but by considering the level of talent with them we can expect a comeback from both of them in this game.

Posted by orangtan on (December 8, 2011, 5:18 GMT)

The 5-0 ODI win over England and the 2-0 Test victory over the West Indies have lulled India into a familiar complacency, and the rout in England is being passed off as a blip. I am afraid there is going to be a crash landing for the Indians when they go Down Under, the batsmen are bereft of technique, the spinners are toothless except on rank turners, and while the young pacemen are speedy such bowlers are a dime a dozen for Aussie batters. Prepare to be thrashed.

Posted by BULTY on (December 8, 2011, 5:08 GMT)

No doubt team India has been given a rude shock by the defeat at Ahmedabad and they are fully awake to the stark realities. They need to get their acts right quickly before it's too late. The addition of Irfan Pathan adds that much weight not only to the bowling but also to the batting, so much so, in my opinion, Varun Aaron can be rested and in his place Rahane can be included and my final XI would be (in the batting order) Sehwag-Rahane-Gambhir-Kohli-Rohit-Raina-Jadeja-Parthiv-Pathan-Ashwin-Vinay. Now this means India can bat till number 11. It's worth trying this combination. Will Sehwag & Fletcher read this before the match?

Posted by ramachandrahm68 on (December 8, 2011, 5:06 GMT)

india batting is weak, and 1st weak batting is sehwag, he is failed in all the innnings. and Gautam gambir also weak batting in all this inniings,

Posted by simonviller on (December 8, 2011, 5:02 GMT)

Why do you guys keep talking about Kohli and Raina's decisions ? What about Pollard's in the second one -day ,when he looked set to bat India out of the game ? Question ; What took the umpire so long to make the decision for the final wicket ? I suppose he wanted to get it right !! One would never know ,but the final result is what counts .

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 4:54 GMT)

India have to worry because when we consider the first game, what a close game that was then second one windies last pair took in to total like 270. India had to work hard to win against new inexperience windies,today is the judgement day.go windies go

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 4:48 GMT)

world champions from where??c u inn australia u hme champions

Posted by kdevil3 on (December 8, 2011, 4:35 GMT)

Sammy & coach repeats the same...... please change this attitude.,without a series victory there is no victory

Posted by spiritwithin on (December 8, 2011, 4:13 GMT)

@hhillbumper..the so called poor team thrashed ur English team last month in the ODI series with the same so called poor attack..y r u calling the pitches poor?is it bcoz it is helping spinners?lol both spinners and pacers r getting help from the pitch,atleast WI is competing against india in india,all the three matches were close and entertaining unlike the one sided 5-0 series against Eng

Posted by cric4life88 on (December 8, 2011, 4:08 GMT)

@ ramesh5...times are changing. I really hope they keep these two pacers in the unit. I also hope that Ishant will come back with full strength and then it'll be the three of them!! just imagine that...three genuine pace attack with special spinners like Ohja, Bhajji and Ashwin (two of these three can bat a bit). I think times have changed and these youngers are grabbing all the opportunity they get not just to make it to playing 11 but perform for team in long run. One of the reasons we did not see the approach you mentioned which team Pak follows is because of the imense pressure they have besides the media and other crap (includes That crude belief of serving the very objective of the "Pace Bowling" is great I think and I'm sure there is more to come from these young guns if they keep themselves fit and injury free.

Posted by ravi_shankar88 on (December 8, 2011, 4:07 GMT)

@ramesh5. @weebee. TOP 2 comments in this post. good one guys. Cheers.....

Posted by PriyankBandhu on (December 8, 2011, 4:07 GMT)

My Paying XI : Gambhir, Sehwag, Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Manoj Tiwari, Parthiv Patel, Ravindra Jadeja, R Ashwin, A Mithun, I Pathan, V Aaron

Posted by cric4life88 on (December 8, 2011, 3:48 GMT)

@hhillbumper...I think we would now, I'd hope atleast. Ishant Sharma is one of the quickest India has produced but he's been dealing with injuries every now and then. The two new talents (Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron) have shown they could bend their back and hit the deck hard and it will be interesting to see how effective they can be in Australia but in long run I could only hope they get better in pace and accuracy. I optimistic about this new influx of pace bowlers in Indian team but they have to work hard like Lee did after his stress fracture injury. We all know its hot in India. We all know most pitches are dead flat, there is nothing for pace bowler. Well not nothing at all but if you look at the domestic cricket in india, you'll notice that the pace bowlers usually get wickets in variations or some kind of clever bowling. So, years of grinding the same process of this type of approach has the most impact on lack of pace.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 3:18 GMT)

Whatever u people say, india have both teams have let themselves down . and its india to be blamed bcs of their higher ranking.... in WI panic, well they r less competetive, but for india they are struggling and will struggle more in the coming years..................

Posted by cric4life88 on (December 8, 2011, 3:14 GMT)

#sundarsingh19 and others who think that Kohli should be the next temporary captain...mmmmaybe maybe not. I followed the ruthless campaign in 2008 U-19 WCup under his captaincy but I believe its too early to hand him this temporary responsibility. No doubt he is the next best thing in Indian Cricket, but I wil still keep Gambhir as a back up. Yes if they want to prepare him for future; let's give him vice-captaincy but to be honest, it really doesn't matter at that level in his case. He has a temper issue, you'll know if you have followed him in the domestics and IPL but I'm impressed the way he has calmed himself down and I think he has dealt with the fame best possible way and stayed in the limelight most appropriately. I hope he keeps going and maintains his avg. About the rest of the series, I think team India has already looked at the negatives after the loss in the dressing room with coach and staff. There is no need to worry. I must say I'm very excited and anxious abt Oz tour.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 2:59 GMT)

No one is talking of the talented leggie Rahul Sharma. Has been India's bench strength from the beginning. Must be given a chance to prove himself.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 2:19 GMT)

First We wish everyone, including comments contributors &staff of ,season's Greetings,Merry Christmas & a Happy New year 2012. We also welcome Irfan Pathan to Team India with the firm hope that he would deliver, if included, for sure.Please also bear in mind that this is a rare opportunity for everyone playing and supporting Team India to think that India is World Champions now since they won on 2 nd April at Mumbai& it is the duty of everyone to keep up the prestige of Motherland in tact. We totally agree with the report above particularly relating to the openers& pitch report.Yes this ground won't be like the gymmicry at A' bad. All the Best to WI & India for giving us challenging game thrice before this one at INDORE Sreedharan Mundanat

Posted by VivGilchrist on (December 8, 2011, 2:17 GMT)

Barath should come in but bat further down. WI need to capitalize in the first 10 overs. They are missing Bravo for this game but they can still win. 1 Pollard 2 Ramdin 3 Simmons 4 Samuels 5 Barath 6 Hyatt (better if forced to score quickly) 7 Russell 8 Sammy 9 Rampaul 10 Narine 11 Roach.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 2:11 GMT)

sehwag and gambir should come as an opener .. gambir is out of form but not sehwag. Because of captaincy sehwag is not reaching his big score . Even a worry with suresh raina .. He has to show his talent in the next 2 ODI ..Iirfan pathan is a great pick has got a chance and he has to prove his worthiness in the team.India should improve its top order ..

Posted by johnny62 on (December 8, 2011, 1:40 GMT)

Problem India faces now is there are no finishers in the team.Kholi played a good knock but got out before the finish leaving the tail endears to survive and win the match.Same is the case with Rohit Sharma.He did it twice. This is where maturity comes into play. We miss Dhoni who does this job regularly.Seeing the team through is as important as making runs. At times it seemed as if Raina is playing from his memory. His focus is lost. Hope in this match at least Shewag clicks otherwise we will have issues in Australia.

Posted by satish619chandar on (December 8, 2011, 1:19 GMT)

@Nampally : Why are we jumping up and down to give premature debut to players... Let them be in the squad and get accustomed to what it requires to be in international stage.. The team management who looks into player in nets will know better than any others.. Plus, you need a vacant slot.. Three seamers + 1 spinner in Ashwin and Jadeja as second spinner is doing the job.. Rahul can wait some more time to get into team..

Posted by Alexk400 on (December 8, 2011, 1:10 GMT)

Captaincy is a burden for sehwag. Give to kohli. Drop gambhir completely. He is cocky now and nothing to show.

Posted by bigwonder on (December 8, 2011, 1:10 GMT)

@Principle, credit can be given when and if it is due. When you look at the Indian batsmen are throwing their wicket away, you cannot give credit to WI for bowling performances. When Indian bowlers have no clue how to bowl yorkers in the slog overs, any gully cricket batsmen is going to hit the ball. WI is showing fighting spirit but to give them credit for all effort would mean Indian Team (which by your standard is at top) has no clue how to play cricket. More appropriately is that both teams have pluses and minuses.

Posted by NairUSA on (December 7, 2011, 23:34 GMT)

Let us who play well under the pressure circumstances. WI and India both have equal chances and that is making this series interesting. Team India will just need to elevate the game up one level to overcome WI this time. Hope the end overs are managed properly and yields less runs.

Posted by Naresh28 on (December 7, 2011, 22:44 GMT)

Besides the openers failures to lazy strokes, India are missing the finishing touches of Dhoni and Raina. Raina seems to have lost confidence since not in the test team. Also India misses Yuvraj another finisher. This does not mean that the selected team is weak. Kohli and SHARMA are the dependables in the middle. The last match was lost due to two bad decisions to Kohli and Raina. India should win this ODI tournament. IRFAN needs to justify his fan support. Never have I seen such a big FAN SUPPORT FOR IRFAN than any cricketer who is not in the Indian team.

Posted by hhillbumper on (December 7, 2011, 22:35 GMT)

who cares? two poor teams playing poor crciket on poor pitches? Anyone seen a good bowler from India yet

Posted by agam99 on (December 7, 2011, 22:31 GMT)

Why should India be worried ? Just bcz it lost a very close game after winning two back to back games ? Or maybe WI should be worried bcz even with there complete team effort and just one player clicking in Indian side...the game still went so close.

Posted by bks123 on (December 7, 2011, 22:24 GMT)

Why is India worried? India is playing their B-team w/o dhoni, sachin, yuvi and zak...their best ODI players. Change the heading please. Of course the form of gambhir and sehwag worries India.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 22:20 GMT)

India would win this match very easily and Sehwag would regain some form

Posted by Pritt32 on (December 7, 2011, 21:37 GMT)

India has learned a valuable lesson of not getting complacent. West Indies might not be a strong opposition. I do admire the fighting spirit and passion of team. I hope India put things right by displaying an excellent performance and Sehwag needs to bat responsibility and led by example. He can score quickly, but need target big innings with good running and not being too over-anxious for hitting boundaries as he risks getting out. It will be a big test for the opener. The bowling and fielding has been good, but their top order is guilty of throwing their wickets to rash shots. The reliable R.Sharma rescues them. India must play like a team and get their head down. They are their own worst enemies. West Indies confidence will be high after their win. I am glad India is reacting to this, as they have had a reality check and hopefully a good kick in the backside by the coach.

Posted by sundarsingh19 on (December 7, 2011, 21:34 GMT)

its better to give captaincy to kohli as he already guided india to under 19 world cup victory.....sehwag is worst now a days coz of his poor form and captaincy..... better keep him out of d team.....

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 21:10 GMT)

Well said 'TheLight'. I agree with you and the author completely.

Posted by NikSaid on (December 7, 2011, 20:42 GMT)

Sure Raina+Virat+Rohit can bowl 10 overs between them. Then I would rather go fix the weak link; batting lineup.XI IMHO, Rahane, Gambhir, Sehwag, Virat, Rohit, Raina, Parthiv, Jadeda, Pathan, Ashwin, Varun

Posted by RandyOZ on (December 7, 2011, 20:32 GMT)

Another embarassing loss to India lets hope, they're epxerts at it!

Posted by vinostanly on (December 7, 2011, 20:28 GMT)

I think sehwag has to be kept out of the Indian team like Harbajan singh is been shown the way out. Give opportunity for the players who are in form.

Posted by Aashishk3 on (December 7, 2011, 20:26 GMT)

Just imagine......... Irfan Pathan opening the bowling attack for india and getting a five wicket haul on his comeback match..... Wouldn't the fans just love it!

Posted by Aashishk3 on (December 7, 2011, 20:25 GMT)

Just imagine......... Irfan Pathan opening the bowling attack for india and getting a five wicket haul on his comeback match..... Wouldn't the fans just love it!

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 20:12 GMT)

best of luck westindies....

Posted by Principle on (December 7, 2011, 19:59 GMT)

Everyone seems to forget that this West Indian team like India is not at it's strongest, therefore Indian supporters should stop saying that they don't care about the series. The fact is everyone is suprised about how the WI is going about business. Give credit where credit is due because the West Indies are giving India a run for their money and believe it or not the West Indies now has a team for the future. India on the other hand are on top right now, but as the saying goes, once you are on top you can only go down.

Posted by TheLight on (December 7, 2011, 19:55 GMT)

The author of this article is on spot. WI could have been leading 3-0 but for poor tactics............................ " The catching has been poor, the captaincy worse, and on both counts Sammy has been the biggest culprit."..................I guess the author must also be an insular islander for suggesting it also?

Posted by Nampally on (December 7, 2011, 19:21 GMT)

@Dravid_Gravitas. India has created a serious problem by bringing in Parthiv to break up a regular & established opening pair of Gambhir & Sehwag. Why was this necessary? The Selectors' contention appears to be a good #3 bat in Gambhir - but they have ignored good opening as #1 priority. As per your comment, You think it is planning ahead for the Australian ODI's for Sachin as opener. However,currently India is faced with a bigger problem of the Test openers, Gambhir & Sehwag, require practice as openers. India has 2 ODI's to play these 2 together& get them to play responsibly first & get some confidence/ form.They must put them as openers & get a commitment of responsible innings from them - no wild T-20 shots!.If S & G get going India will get >300 runs in ODI #4. They are too good to get out like they have been in past 3 ODI's.Aussie bowlers on own pitches will be more hostile than that of WI seamers on Indian pitches. Self Confidence should be #1 issue for both S & G.Good Luck !

Posted by ramps_wi on (December 7, 2011, 19:21 GMT)

Just happy we did not start winning after 3-0. So thats it for India, we winning this series 3 -2. Tendulkar will have to come back for the last match to try and prevent the series defeat. And for Narine, well they can drop him again, and jason Mohammed should play instead of Hyatt, but tha will be another trini and the selectors would not want to do that

Posted by bigdhonifan on (December 7, 2011, 19:12 GMT)

I am eagerly waiting to see Irfan Pathan's BANANA SWING that got him hatrick against Pak in the fist over.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 19:00 GMT)

Welcome Irfan Pathan in indian team after a long time but if irfan doesn't lead india to the expectation then their must be a backup plan with umesh yadav we also knw tht he has been out for the australlian tour bt its very important to win the series as we have a big match in indore after winning dis match he would have been taken out n given a chance to abhimanyu mithun otherwise we have a gud bowling options..

Now in batting side ajinkya rahane should be given a chance instead of parthiv, raina or gambhir coz as v knw that their performance was not upto the level they play it may be because of their bad luck bt BCCI should take a virtual decision...

Posted by WeeBee on (December 7, 2011, 19:00 GMT)

First thing, Comparing Pakistani fast Bowlers with Indian, The reason why people admire Pakistani fast bowlers cause They have a long queue of all fast bowlers, not like some medium pacers. India do select fast bowlers but less in number and without anyback up .... In test every fast ballers need to bowl at 140 or 150 consistently .. i dont think India have that kind of bowler. and in INDIA everyone wants to be batsman! .... thats the main isssue with it ...

About performance of Indian cricket Team, Is it a world champion team ? Does it look it that they won world cup .... To me it does not! ..... Even if DHONI and Tendulkar is not in .. But so many star batsman are there ....

Actually Indian underestimated West Indian , they thought they beated ENgland so now its turn of West Indies .... Well WIndies played good cricket, they were close in every ODI ...Just lack of luck was there ...

Good Luck to both teams

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 18:58 GMT)

Enjoyed seeing the competitiveness of WI but we need to be more consistent where winning is concerned. This squad is a good one but we need GAYLE storm, and some how everyone has seemed to forgotten Jerome Taylor. My prediction for the 4th ODI is a WI win and a century from Marlon Samuels.

Posted by SanjivAwesome on (December 7, 2011, 18:57 GMT)

I don't understand why our selectors keep using trundlers like Vinay Kumar to "lead the Indian attack". Its not an attack, its a tickle. And it makes all Indian fans and oppostion teams laugh. I support the idea of letting fans chose the playing XI via sms voting that has been suggested in these columns. That way, we can keep the VK's at the level they have the natural talent for - Ranji trophy and other domestic tournaments.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 18:43 GMT)

from aa pakistan fan..i cant really see west indies doing much and predict if india bring there A game they should win the last 2 comfortably... in some ways though it looks like rohit is the only one who cares prob coz he has something to prove and the others feel they a irreplaceable.... as for Irfan pathan it would be good to see him back only if he has regained his form at international level... however i think they should bring in a youngster and leave him for ODIs...yadav and aaron look good but they do need the experience of a zaheer....

Posted by Vilander on (December 7, 2011, 18:33 GMT)

Hope to see India win the first game in this series, as the two games they won on technicality were poor games from them.

Posted by salam-india on (December 7, 2011, 17:51 GMT)

Irfan bhay..hope u will do everythings well..God blesse u..

Posted by ramesh5 on (December 7, 2011, 17:43 GMT)

Let me point out a fallacy in thinking by most of the Indian fans in these columns. The difference between India and Pakistan is the fact Pakistan plays rookie fast bowlers if they find they are express pace. That is why you find more fast bowlers emerging from Pakistan. When Aatron and Umesh Yadav bowl express pace at 140 - 150 KPH, nobody in India recognizes it. You find comments comparing them with bowlers like Irfan Pathan and Vinay Kumar, who are medium pace. In international cricket, particularly test cricket, you need bowlers consistently bowling at 140 KMPH and above. Then only you have a chance to win series abroad. Umesh and Varun are in different league altogether and please do not compare them with Vinay Kumars and Irfan. As Imran Khan once said that if a bowler has a natural pace, tell him to bowl FAST and do not focus on line and length. This will come later naturally with experience. In India, we lack self belief in our fast bowling & confuses with medium pace

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 17:40 GMT)

hmmm i realy feel very happy as ir fan pathan has been given chace to play after a long gap. he is brilliant playe and we can groom him too become a biggest all rounder ever in indian cricket and at the same time i realy disapoint ir fan had not been choosen to replace for praveen kumar for australiya tour and its realy injustice with him - he deserve that place i am sure seletors will also read this comment- please take care of a big talent who has recover from long injury and has gain for also

Posted by cricket0007 on (December 7, 2011, 17:23 GMT)

indian batting line up needs sachin and dravid and i just cant believe that with 1000s of players playing in the domestic.. india cant find good fast bowlers ! I'm sure it has something to do with the politics in the cricket board.. any indian frnd wud like to comment on that?

Posted by InnocentGuy on (December 7, 2011, 17:14 GMT)

Sehwag and Gambhir have failed for a bit longer than comfortable. Especially Sehwag. BCCI does NOT know how and when to experiment. You don't experiment for the heck of it, you experiment with a specific intent. What is the point in asking Parthiv to open? Gambhir and Sehwag need to open the batting. Also reg. Test selection Pathan MUST have been included. It is a crime to not have him. That said, I'm sure a few of the selected squad won't last more than the tour game and they'll very quickly fly him in as an all-round replacement. And Aaron, though a good talent, proved to be wayward in the current ODI series - his action makes him tend to bowl way off off-stump to the right-hander. If he is this wayward on flat decks, I can't imagine how it'll be on seaming pitches down under.

Posted by Nampally on (December 7, 2011, 17:06 GMT)

Indian spinners got 42 out of possible 60 in 3 Test matches. India should focus on giving Rahul a chance to show his talent. Why is he in the squad when he is dropped in 12 games in a row? Surely the Selectors thought he had some talent. If so why not give him a chance against a team weak against leg spinner of his type? Mithun & Yadev got a "Royal thrashing" from WI tail enders in the last 2 overs giving away 41 runs! -India lost by only 16 runs. It is time to go back to spin instead of pacers. 3 different kinds of Spinners can get WI all out well within 50 overs.Any of the non performing batsmen or Seamers can make way for Rahul. Also a new & different type of spinner not familiar to WI can pose a big problem to WI. In addition Sehwaqg, Gambhir must open & score big + Raina needs to play well or he is out of the ODI squad for Australia. He has failed little too often because of his reckless stroke play. Good Luck India - it is a Must win game!.

Posted by monisammy on (December 7, 2011, 17:03 GMT)


Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 16:24 GMT)

I am just wondering why Parthiv fails everytime he is given a chance..He is not making big scores..He always get out in 20s and 30s. Wriddhiman Saha could have been given a chance..I welcome Irfan...Ajinkya Rahane should be given a chance in place of Suresh Raina...Hope Sehwag and Gambhir wont fail tomorrow...All the best India and advance wishes for winning the series..

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 16:22 GMT)

Hyatt is way out of his league. He needs far more training that he has had.

Posted by Sarangarajan on (December 7, 2011, 16:04 GMT)

If one looks back at the ODI series thus far, it was WINDIES who had been a better team despite the score line of 2-1. It should have been 3-0 for the Winides but for Rohit"s heroics.Wonder whether this will take along the hosts farther. The batting has been spineless to say the least and the bowling has been time and again exposed.It is time the Indians pull up their socks and play like world champions. The way the top order has been batting has been arrogant and childish.Very seriously feel that the Indians are in for a shock in the remaining two ODIs.The Windies deserve the series for the way have played valliantly so far.Can the indians turn the momentum back to their favour? Doubt very much..

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 15:52 GMT)

I think, the current West Indies team deserves more credit than , what many of us, including Cricinfo seem to give them.

Posted by Vinodha19 on (December 7, 2011, 15:49 GMT)

I dont know why parthiv is selected he is definately not good opener. He may be good in test in the abscence of dhoni. robin should be played bcos he in form and also he can bat at no.6 position. As for as shewag and gambhir concerned it is worrying they should provide good start.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 15:48 GMT)

I don't know why selectors picked Mithun for Australia tour, i mean Irfan and Vinay Kumar are better than him in every sense. He has got no experience,no great bowling form in Ranji, he has never performed when he was given chances, i mean has only 9 wickets in 8 innings he bowled in test match.Only 1 wicket in 3 ODIs plus an economy rate of 7.05. In T20 he has only 19 wickets in 26 matches in addition to that, he has economy rate of 8.98. So, what i mean is it should be Irfan to replace Praveen at Australia, if Irfan is not picked its definately Vinay kumar not Mithun...FOOD FOR THOUGHT...!!!

Posted by Ganes.V on (December 7, 2011, 15:47 GMT)

Sehwag and Gambhir should open the innings. Kohli 3, Rohit 4, Raina 5, Ravindra Jadeja 6, Parthiv 7, Irfan 8, Ashwin 9, Vinay Kumar 10, Aaron 11. It is indeed a real worry for Sehwag and Gambhir both being out of form. Raina is also a real cause of worry i think. Infact if we include Rahane as opener and ask Raina/ Gambhir to rest it would also be good. What we miss is that real good start to our innings when we see India reaching 100 in the 15 over mark from where we can easily build a score or even chase down scores. Anyway Wishing this Indian team ALL THE BEST for this game to win the series with this one itself. Sehwag is not out of form He needs to concentrate more or rather concentrate less i suppose. he is playing over cautiously which probably is creating this problem for him

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 15:42 GMT)

wishh u all the very best irfan..u rockk..

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 15:35 GMT)

Sachin should be selected for this oneday series. I dont know whats wrong with the selectors. Is it Patel, Raina, Jadeja better batsman thann Sachin in oneday? Definitely not. Selectors dont like him for one day although he is better than any batsman in the team for oneday. Hope Sachin will get chance in oneday series against Australia.

Posted by MathewsAdelaide on (December 7, 2011, 15:33 GMT)

I dont realy understand why should india chase the score again and again.. while they win the toss, first of all they dont have their best FINISHERS like Yuvi and Dhoni with them and our opening pair-top order batting is failure in this series.INDIA MUST OPEN WITH SEHWAG AND GAMBHIR THIS TIME KOHLI PREFERABLY 1 DOWN and INDIA MUST BAT AT FIRST TOO..

Posted by RSBali on (December 7, 2011, 15:28 GMT)

Get rid of this Raina. He had been given too many chances.

Posted by Romenevans on (December 7, 2011, 15:12 GMT)

I'd love to see India beaten by WI, so that their careless attitude will have to be immediately improved for Australia. Sehwag is going to carry that sluggish attitude anyway in Australia, because it is like talking to a stubborn kid and making him understand something and it won't ever happen.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 7, 2011, 15:11 GMT)

@Nampally, you are forgetting one simple thing from history - If Sachin plays ODIs in Australia, he will walk straight-in to take 'his' spot as an opener at the non-striker's end.

Posted by BMayuresh on (December 7, 2011, 14:45 GMT)

The title itself makes me laugh!!! Just one match loss that too without few first choice players and suddenly India is "WORRIED", is it really fair?

Posted by Lord_Dravid on (December 7, 2011, 14:44 GMT)

i think the writer of this article is abit out of his dept..dosent he and other india bashers not realise that india isnt taking this ODI series seriously, its more a series to showcase our younger talent. the last game west windies won because kohli and raina were given out to awful decisions..we will win the series 4-1 :D

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 14:37 GMT)

so we played the extra bowler last odi but Sammy only bowled 1 over, so whats the point? playing one batsman less with an extra bowler and sammy who is afraid to bowl. Sammy should be dropped and let Ramdin this way both Barath and Powell could make up for Bravo and we would still have a strong bowling attact with, Rampaul, Russel, Roach, Narine, Samuels, Pollard, Simmons......thats 7 bowlers, 3 pacers, 2 medium pacers and 2 spin..........yuh dig?

Posted by zico123 on (December 7, 2011, 14:37 GMT)

Sehwag and Gambhir have to find form in the last 2 WI ODIs by scoring long innings, otherwise it will be better to play Ajinkye Rahane in place of one of the them come boxing day Australia test, going into a test match with 2 out of form opener will be a disaster, India might lose the test match for that one session, because India is a team who depends a lot on how good a start they get, once they get a good start, they can really build upon it.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 14:32 GMT)

Vinay Kumar should be out of the team and Abhimanu Mithun should not have travelled to Australia. Irfan Pathan must play and make a strong point in 2 ODIs he has got. He can make a strong case for a Test return as well in near future.Sadly he missed it to Abhimanyu Mithun and I do not know what prompted that. Irfan is not old and still a youngster with experience of Australian condition. Already 2 rookie fast bowlers with no experience were going. God forbid if Zaheer has to sit out a game or 2 Irfan's experience would have come in real handy!!Bad selection there by BCCI!

Posted by Nampally on (December 7, 2011, 14:31 GMT)

If India is really worried it is because of careless batting of their openers Sehwag & Gambhir.Why is Gambhir not opening the innings with Sehwag especially when these 2 are expected to open in Australia? Parthiv Patel can go #3. But Gambhir & Sehwag need practice playing togethr & facing new ball. The Selectors must justify this pointless exercise. Poor opening start is the root cause of India's batting problems as evident in comparison to ODI's vs. England. So Mr. Sehwag- Revert back to opening with Gambhir & play responsibly. Big opening stand is crucial. The second point is India is faring badly against WI tailenders.Introduce Rahul Sharma now like WI did Via Narine.Rahul is a run saving leg spinner who bowls much quicker than conventional leg spinner.India must go with Ashwin, Jadeja & Rahul in spin + Vinay & Irfan in pace.WI are weak against spin. Aaron & Mithun have been too expensive!.Unless these changes occur, India will be struggling again.India is wasting a Talented Rahul!

Posted by cricchic on (December 7, 2011, 14:30 GMT)

This game is very crucial. I would love W.I to win that the final game will be the decider..of the series...It will all depend on the openers of these give them a reasonable start..No Doubt Narine will be spinning his web...

Posted by zico123 on (December 7, 2011, 14:21 GMT)

Irfan pathan, Mithun and Varun Aaron, Rahul Sharma should play, will give selectors and team management another look at them, rest Vinay Kumar and Ashwin

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 14:20 GMT)

tiwary should play instead of raina

Posted by ashish_gajjar on (December 7, 2011, 14:09 GMT)

irfannnnnnn pathhhhhhannnnn wish all the best and my team xi- Gautam Gambhir ,Virender Sehwag (capt),Virat Kohli,Rohit Sharma,Rahane,Irfan Pathan,Ravindra Jadeja,Parthiv Patel (wk), R Sharma / Ashwin ,R Vinay Kumar,Varun Aaron

Posted by Baundele on (December 7, 2011, 14:08 GMT)

Vinay Kumar, with an experience of 14 matches, leading the Indian bowling attack can be a good example of the horrible fitness levels of Indian pacers.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 14:03 GMT)

India needs to watch out for the Windies. They need to shut out this series in this match and convincingly at that ! Sehwag needs to drop down the order, if the opening slot is not fetching him runs. It might help Gambhir being pushed up as well, being a natural opener. Lets hope we don't see a repeat of the pathetic collapse we witnessed in the last one dayer. Like the look of Sunil Narine, India needs to be more careful !

Posted by ssenthil on (December 7, 2011, 13:59 GMT)

Sehwag just need to play Irfan Pathan for U Yadav place and Varun Aron for A Mithun. I never seen Mithun is good in Limited overs cricket and his Length is more like a Test bowlers say Ishant Sharma. Though PK also has similar length but he can swing the ball both way. So Better don't ever play Umesh, Mithun and Ishant Sharma in ODI's. Let them be Test specialists and which will given them periodic breaks as well.

Posted by Dev9212 on (December 7, 2011, 13:52 GMT)

Feel sorry for guys like Jadeja, Irfan and Ashwin not only they have to bowl well but they also need to score runs to make India win and on what basis was Parthiv Patel selected n if its only because he can wear a pair of gloves behind the wicket then they could have gone in with someone like Uttapha or Karthick atleast they have an aggressive mindset.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 13:39 GMT)

irfan pathan is a great pick hes got a chance and he has to prove his worthiness in the team hes been in great form in the ranji trophy and is a good bowling all rounder if he plays good he should cement his place in the indian side

Posted by roversgate on (December 7, 2011, 13:36 GMT)

Gambhir has been quite loose in tests, throwing his wicket away easily after getting starts and at first it looked like just a mental problem to solve but his form in ODI this series is a concern. He has been good in ODIs before this series and seeing a poor run here means he is truly out of form as of now. Considering these circumstances wouldn't it be better to send him to Australia early with the others and let Rahane take his place in the last two ODIs?

Posted by ThatzMyView on (December 7, 2011, 13:35 GMT)

Bring back robin Uthappa!

Posted by Sinhaya on (December 7, 2011, 13:27 GMT)

May be Sehwag and Gambhir can go down the order so that a softer ball might help them score more easily than with 2 new balls early on.

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