West Indies in India 2013-14 November 10, 2013

Gibson demands more from batsmen

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Ottis Gibson, the West Indies coach, was expecting to spend Sunday watching his team fight in front of a full house as the light faded at Eden Gardens, as the first Test went into the fifth day. Instead, he was overlooking a three-hour training session under a harsh sun at the Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai. The innings-and-51-run defeat in Kolkata was West Indies' first inside three days during Gibson's tenure. He was unimpressed.

"There is only so much talking any coach can do," Gibson said, after his batsmen had wasted starts in both innings of the first Test. "When you play five batsmen, and you sit down and stress the importance of those five batsmen, and you set yourself a challenge of batting a day and a half in the first innings, it is then up to those five batsmen to negotiate whatever the opposition bowlers throw at them and hang around for five days.

"(But) When you have a run-out and a couple of soft dismissals within those five batsmen then it puts pressure on everybody else. That is exactly what happened. We have to get better. We have to learn those mistakes and try not to repeat them."

Marlon Samuels scored the only half-century for West Indies in the first Test. He was also the only batsman with a valid reason for his dismissals. In the first innings, Samuels was bowled by Mohammad Shami after the ball was changed and suddenly began to reverse swing. In the second, he was hit on the pad by another reverse-swinging delivery from Shami and was given lbw by umpire Nigel Llong, though the ball appeared to be going down leg side. The other batsmen had no such excuses.

The top-order batsmen Kieran Powell, Chris Gayle and Darren Bravo paid for playing loose shots. Shivnarine Chanderpaul was ineffective in the absence of stable partners. As for Denesh Ramdin, did he even turn up in Kolkata?

"Try and bat three days," Gibson responded, when asked how the West Indies batting could improve. "We won the toss in good batting conditions and we batted 70-odd overs. That is just not good enough. We know in India you have to bat long, put runs on the board, 400 minimum in the first innings really. So the 234 that we made was pretty average.

"We were little bit rusty coming in but we are not going to use that as an excuse. We still had our opportunities to make scores - we had six or seven guys who got starts and did not carry on. Only one guy got a half-century. When India batted only one or two of those guys got starts and made hundreds. And that was the difference."

According to Gibson, the five-batsman strategy is a recent one and it has worked for West Indies. Its success, however, depended on every player sticking to the plan, Gibson said. "When you look at the result you sort of want to think that way (whether the five-batsmen plan works). That line-up is the one with which we have played the last three or four Test matches. We backed those guys and they did not perform as well as they did in the past. It is a two-match series so we have to look at the combination to make sure we still believe strongly that we can win here."

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on November 17, 2013, 10:04 GMT

    Legendscricket does not know what he is writing about.For his information Ramdin droped 2 catches, one from Sammy stamding up amd the other of Shillingford and on both occassions the ball bounced making the catch very difficult for amy keeperto take especially when standing up.Since his return to test cricket his batting is very good and consistent.Tests 11, Innings 16, Not outs 4, Runs scored 561,Centuries 2, Half centuries 3, Averages 46.75, Catches 30,Stumpings 2.He is also the best gloveman in the West Indies and is highly recognised as a top class wicket keeper in world cricket.Compare Marlon Samuels performances with that of Shivnarine Chanderpauls.In 2012 samuels played 7 test matches batted 11 innings and scored 749 runs at an average of 74.90,Chanderpaul played in 11 tests scored 987 runs from 15 innings at an average of 98.70.In 2013 both played in 4 tests and batted 6 innings with Samuel scoring 176 runs averaging 20.33,Chanderpaul scored 267 runs at an average of 53.40.

  • on November 10, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    Talking is not what the Windies fans want from a coach. What we need to see is him using reason & analyzing situations properly then following through with an appropriate course of action. playing 5 batsmen only works 1- if you have top class batsmen who perform consistently, 2- A wicketkeeper & allrounder that can be depended on more often than not to either score good runs or bat time, preferably both & 3- a strong bowling attack that will regularly dismiss the opposition cheaply. The recent West Indies teams put on the field tick none of those key slots. yes this plan may have worked in the 6 tests we won in a row but look @ the quality of the opposition that the ploy worked against? New Zealand, Bangladesh & Zimbabwe. the 3 weakest teams who came into those 3 series without playing any high quality cricket to help them to prepare properly.

  • estwickg on November 10, 2013, 17:33 GMT

    Dear Mr. Gibson - if you are playing 5 batmen then I can assume that Mr. Sammy is playing as a bowler. How many overs did he bowled in that 1st test? I'm sure not even 20. This means that there is too much pressure on the REAL bowlers and on on the 5 batmen. This approach also means that WI will fail more than succeed against the top teams. YOU NEED 6 BATMEN or a Good allrounder, Therefore there is no place for Sammy in the Test team. WAKE UP!

  • on November 17, 2013, 14:42 GMT

    Fixing WI cricket is a huge task if certain things are not done.First,the coach Gibson needs to go.His influence on the isnt working.Regroup these very boys who have lost to India.With a little adjustments here and there,use Chanderpaul as a senior adviser to the team,especially the younger ones.Drop Sammy,he is not test material and bring Simmons and Narine.Both Simmons and Narine are players with enormous potentials.The management needs to very open minded and work with the players.Tino Best is very promising,address his bowling flaws.Overall,if we do nothing we get nothing.

  • panoop22 on November 13, 2013, 10:47 GMT

    Why dont they play Kirk Edwards , Dwayne Bravo and Narsing Deonarine ?

    My team would be : 1. Gayle 2.Powell 3.Krik Edwards 4. Darren Bravo 5.Chanderpaul 6. Samuels 7. Deonarine 8. Dwayne Bravo 9. Narine 10.Rampaul 11. Roach

  • everfaithful77 on November 13, 2013, 7:32 GMT

    GIBSON plays 5 batsmen and bats first against India in India. He reasons that if this strategy worked recently against the 3 lowest ranked teams in test cricket (New Zealand, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe) it should work against India currently ranked # 3 in the world. Where is the logic? It was obvious that if the plan was to bat first on winning the toss then the conventional 6 batsmen should have been played. Then he speaks about the performance of the batsmen. My question for the coach and selectors. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE A-TEAM ? They had a perfect opportunity to select a good batting line-up based upon the results of the A-team TOUR OF INDIA but failed to do so. Kraigg Brathwaite and Deonarine were the best batsmen in the 4-day games even out-performing the Indians. Kraigg scored over 300 runs at avg over 80 including a century. Pujara scored more runs but was inconsistent and most of his runs came in one inn of over 300. WHY WASN'T BRATHWAITE OR DEONARINE OR BOTH IN THE TEAM ?

  • Dr_Zeus on November 12, 2013, 22:30 GMT

    Well...what can I say...most other teams when they perform consistently badly, the board either sacks the coach or the captain, or in Pakistan's case, sack the entire team....West Indies continue to perform dismally without any change...heads don't roll so nobody sees the need to perform...I say sack somebody or persons and see how they improve...

  • BRUTALANALYST on November 12, 2013, 19:16 GMT

    @bajan0123 That would be my 11 also

  • amjr on November 12, 2013, 15:13 GMT

    So for the point of placing chanderpaul high. U'll seem to miss how long this guy been playing and don't have respect for an aging cricketer. Its either He play as a stabilizer lower down or he doesn't play at all.5 is the highest he should bat in my opinion. If you bring him out too early in a 1st innings game you place you most secure player at risk of injury for 2nd innings. The only reason he is still playing is because the gap he will leave in the team. Ask your honestly If he decided to retire were would west Indies be in test match? Gibson needs to go along with Sammy.. and yes i targeting that Island. ps they should focus on developing a good wicket keeper batsman that can score at least 30 each match.

  • on November 12, 2013, 9:16 GMT

    Playing five batsmen, five bowlers and a keeper is a positive move in India. The problem is that the pressure is on the top order to deliver because if they don't, the tail is exposed with 4 wickets down. Besides Chanders, Gayle is the most experienced batsman and since his return from exile, he's only scored one century against NZ. We need him to take more responsibility at the top. Darren Bravo has also been a disappointment, for a man of his ability, he hasn't progressed the way i hoped. Samuels has been our best batsmen in the last 18 months and the aging Chanders is still the player we turn to in a crisis. Playing a Keeper at six has to be a batsman that can keep and not the other way round. So in hindsight Johnson Charles, Lendl Simmons or Andre Fletcher would've been better suited. Ramdin has the capability with two centuries against England's bowlers, but his consistancy is too poor to risk at six. I just hope the boyz can show more discipline and application in the 2nd test.

  • on November 17, 2013, 10:04 GMT

    Legendscricket does not know what he is writing about.For his information Ramdin droped 2 catches, one from Sammy stamding up amd the other of Shillingford and on both occassions the ball bounced making the catch very difficult for amy keeperto take especially when standing up.Since his return to test cricket his batting is very good and consistent.Tests 11, Innings 16, Not outs 4, Runs scored 561,Centuries 2, Half centuries 3, Averages 46.75, Catches 30,Stumpings 2.He is also the best gloveman in the West Indies and is highly recognised as a top class wicket keeper in world cricket.Compare Marlon Samuels performances with that of Shivnarine Chanderpauls.In 2012 samuels played 7 test matches batted 11 innings and scored 749 runs at an average of 74.90,Chanderpaul played in 11 tests scored 987 runs from 15 innings at an average of 98.70.In 2013 both played in 4 tests and batted 6 innings with Samuel scoring 176 runs averaging 20.33,Chanderpaul scored 267 runs at an average of 53.40.

  • on November 10, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    Talking is not what the Windies fans want from a coach. What we need to see is him using reason & analyzing situations properly then following through with an appropriate course of action. playing 5 batsmen only works 1- if you have top class batsmen who perform consistently, 2- A wicketkeeper & allrounder that can be depended on more often than not to either score good runs or bat time, preferably both & 3- a strong bowling attack that will regularly dismiss the opposition cheaply. The recent West Indies teams put on the field tick none of those key slots. yes this plan may have worked in the 6 tests we won in a row but look @ the quality of the opposition that the ploy worked against? New Zealand, Bangladesh & Zimbabwe. the 3 weakest teams who came into those 3 series without playing any high quality cricket to help them to prepare properly.

  • estwickg on November 10, 2013, 17:33 GMT

    Dear Mr. Gibson - if you are playing 5 batmen then I can assume that Mr. Sammy is playing as a bowler. How many overs did he bowled in that 1st test? I'm sure not even 20. This means that there is too much pressure on the REAL bowlers and on on the 5 batmen. This approach also means that WI will fail more than succeed against the top teams. YOU NEED 6 BATMEN or a Good allrounder, Therefore there is no place for Sammy in the Test team. WAKE UP!

  • on November 17, 2013, 14:42 GMT

    Fixing WI cricket is a huge task if certain things are not done.First,the coach Gibson needs to go.His influence on the isnt working.Regroup these very boys who have lost to India.With a little adjustments here and there,use Chanderpaul as a senior adviser to the team,especially the younger ones.Drop Sammy,he is not test material and bring Simmons and Narine.Both Simmons and Narine are players with enormous potentials.The management needs to very open minded and work with the players.Tino Best is very promising,address his bowling flaws.Overall,if we do nothing we get nothing.

  • panoop22 on November 13, 2013, 10:47 GMT

    Why dont they play Kirk Edwards , Dwayne Bravo and Narsing Deonarine ?

    My team would be : 1. Gayle 2.Powell 3.Krik Edwards 4. Darren Bravo 5.Chanderpaul 6. Samuels 7. Deonarine 8. Dwayne Bravo 9. Narine 10.Rampaul 11. Roach

  • everfaithful77 on November 13, 2013, 7:32 GMT

    GIBSON plays 5 batsmen and bats first against India in India. He reasons that if this strategy worked recently against the 3 lowest ranked teams in test cricket (New Zealand, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe) it should work against India currently ranked # 3 in the world. Where is the logic? It was obvious that if the plan was to bat first on winning the toss then the conventional 6 batsmen should have been played. Then he speaks about the performance of the batsmen. My question for the coach and selectors. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE A-TEAM ? They had a perfect opportunity to select a good batting line-up based upon the results of the A-team TOUR OF INDIA but failed to do so. Kraigg Brathwaite and Deonarine were the best batsmen in the 4-day games even out-performing the Indians. Kraigg scored over 300 runs at avg over 80 including a century. Pujara scored more runs but was inconsistent and most of his runs came in one inn of over 300. WHY WASN'T BRATHWAITE OR DEONARINE OR BOTH IN THE TEAM ?

  • Dr_Zeus on November 12, 2013, 22:30 GMT

    Well...what can I say...most other teams when they perform consistently badly, the board either sacks the coach or the captain, or in Pakistan's case, sack the entire team....West Indies continue to perform dismally without any change...heads don't roll so nobody sees the need to perform...I say sack somebody or persons and see how they improve...

  • BRUTALANALYST on November 12, 2013, 19:16 GMT

    @bajan0123 That would be my 11 also

  • amjr on November 12, 2013, 15:13 GMT

    So for the point of placing chanderpaul high. U'll seem to miss how long this guy been playing and don't have respect for an aging cricketer. Its either He play as a stabilizer lower down or he doesn't play at all.5 is the highest he should bat in my opinion. If you bring him out too early in a 1st innings game you place you most secure player at risk of injury for 2nd innings. The only reason he is still playing is because the gap he will leave in the team. Ask your honestly If he decided to retire were would west Indies be in test match? Gibson needs to go along with Sammy.. and yes i targeting that Island. ps they should focus on developing a good wicket keeper batsman that can score at least 30 each match.

  • on November 12, 2013, 9:16 GMT

    Playing five batsmen, five bowlers and a keeper is a positive move in India. The problem is that the pressure is on the top order to deliver because if they don't, the tail is exposed with 4 wickets down. Besides Chanders, Gayle is the most experienced batsman and since his return from exile, he's only scored one century against NZ. We need him to take more responsibility at the top. Darren Bravo has also been a disappointment, for a man of his ability, he hasn't progressed the way i hoped. Samuels has been our best batsmen in the last 18 months and the aging Chanders is still the player we turn to in a crisis. Playing a Keeper at six has to be a batsman that can keep and not the other way round. So in hindsight Johnson Charles, Lendl Simmons or Andre Fletcher would've been better suited. Ramdin has the capability with two centuries against England's bowlers, but his consistancy is too poor to risk at six. I just hope the boyz can show more discipline and application in the 2nd test.

  • legendscricket on November 12, 2013, 8:21 GMT

    IT is to make drastic changes in WINDIES cricket-The coach must be more innovative in selecting the team with the selectors.Denish Ramdin looks unsure of himself with the bat,he didn't look good as the top keeper either.[3 drop catches] On this tour play Walton; Sammy is not a test batsman, neither is he a good captain.Watch the match again, see MS Dhoni in the field.No apologies here,Drop Sammy out of the test side;Move Chris Gayle down the order-oh yes! Open with Powell & Edwards-I am keeping Bravo-he needs to keep his focus always on winning. Chaderpaul will come in 1 down,then Samuels followed by GAYLE. Simmons replaces Sammy as the all-rounder,no need to bring Narine at this juncture;Allow Samuels to partner Shillingford-Holder,Rampaul [fitness] allowed.Powell captains this team along with Kirk Edwards.lETS PLAY WINNING CRICKET.

  • bbpp on November 12, 2013, 2:09 GMT

    Where do you start with Windies? Batsmen cannot bat 2 sessions, Chanders still refuses to take charge with the tail yet they continue to bat him late, with Sammy in the team you either lose a batsman or bowler, Permaul is not a test bowler yet, Narine is the best wicket taker and should be given more chances in tests, Tino is Tino, goodbye Ramdin talk nah. I hear calls for Deonarine but he is a 35 avg player at best. Useful but not a long term solution. Try a Kirk or Braithwaite even though Sarwan would have been better if he was mentally tougher. And again, one final but obvious thought on Sammy...an allrounder in TESTS (and ODIs if possible) must be able to hold his place in the team as either a pure batsman or bowler as opposed to 20/20. Sammy is neither and his record over many years confirms this yet he is persisted with. WHY??

  • bajan0123 on November 12, 2013, 0:48 GMT

    My team for the second test would be 1. GAYLE 2. POWELL 3. EDWARDS 4. CHANDERPAUL 5. BRAVO 6. SAMUEL 7. WALTON 8. SAMMY 9. BEST 10. SHILLINGFORD 11. GABRIEL. 12. DEONERINE.

  • nilay11 on November 12, 2013, 0:34 GMT

    1. There is no real need for Darren Sammy in the Test squad..his bowling is effective in the limited over format where batsmen are forced to play at a decent run rate. He does not have the technical ability to be a top batsman and nor is he someone who can hold ground when others take charge. 2. Windies have wicket keeper conundrum, Ramdin is a good wicket keeper, but he is NOT a batsman with the ability to play top teams. Gibson must opt for someone new, with the hope that the newcomer will rise to the challenge. Its a gamble worth taking as Ramdin has become a walking wicket. 3. Where is Ravi Rampaul? He might not be a world class bowler, but he has the temperament and experience to play top teams. He has the ability to pickup wickets and break partnerships. 4. Chanderpaul NEEDS to play at no 4. Samuels at 5. 5. Bowl the likes of Samuels and Gayle. Especially when 2 set batsman have negotiated the front line bowlers. 6. Get a second spinner, esp in India, Narine maybe?

  • bajan0123 on November 12, 2013, 0:14 GMT

    As i mentioned in my comments prior to the first test, the WI team must play five batsmen in order to have the big innings they need in test. Kirk Edwards should have been in the starting eleven for the first test and i hope they learned they lesson and give him his place back to bat at #3. Too many people are calling for players to be called into the test team who have not proven themselves in the domestic competition in the Caribbean. Cotterell is one of those players. He has pace but don't deserve to be in the test team. Gabriel is in the same boat as Cotterell. I also think Sammy forgot that before he took over as captain that Samuel and Gayle shared the bowling with the spinner and they got wickets. I don't understand how Sammy can have a bowler bowled 50 overs before giving Samuel and Gayle a go. Ramdin also need to be dropped. He dropped three catches in the first test and did not contribute with the bat as always.

  • ThatsJustCricket on November 11, 2013, 22:23 GMT

    For all the good Sammy has done as captain, he is still not test class, never was and, sadly, never will be. His presence is, unfortunately, affecting the balance of the side. As Sammy is neither a genuine bowler nor a good enough batter to bat in the top 6, WI always looks one player short in tests. Sammy looks okay in ODIs where his style of tight, even if unthreatening, bowling and lower order hitting adds some value to the team, but in tests, he needs to go. With Sammy gone, WI can immediately play an extra batter and go back to the tried and tested combination of 6 proper batsmen, a keeper and four bowlers. They would have a far better chance with that. This five batsman combination only works when you have at least 4 great batters, a keeper who is reliable with the bat and steady contributions from the tail. WI doesn't tick any of the boxes.

  • BRUTALANALYST on November 11, 2013, 21:15 GMT

    Sorry I actually agree with Gibson re Chanderpaul, It's pathetic him batting at 5 with this weak side he needs to take some responsibility and bat higher. I'm pretty sure Gibson left him out when he refused to bat higher.

  • on November 11, 2013, 19:27 GMT

    Gibson should stop being bias with players .....he wanted to kick Chanderpaul out and Chanderpaul is the only one to stand up and bat. Narsingh Deonarine just completed a A Team series in India why was he left out in Test 1... Gibson Grudge is bad and he should be relieve of his job ASAP.

  • IIcee on November 11, 2013, 18:15 GMT

    The board is to be blamed for all these poor decisions and certainly Gibson is no proper coach. He wasn't very elated to have Chanderpaul playing his own game but just look at the man he is doing very well. Best is a total waste of time and apparently the whole world knows this besides the management. Cotterell isn't ready so what are we left with!! No Narine, No Rampaul!! I would have even given Santokie a chance because he swings the bowl a little regardless of the pace he bowls. I am a very huge fan of Sammy but definitely he is out of form and out of thoughts, because you can't tell me apart from the entire team where Shillingford bowled 1/3 of the Overs, Gayle nor Samuels weren't even given a chance! W.I cricket is going nowhere and it will continue like this unless drastic chances are made as soon as possible.

  • SL-USA-Lions on November 11, 2013, 16:28 GMT

    @ Kamesh Ganeshan & Biso...

    India played well and they won the match... They were the better team... Congrats to them...

    But honestly Ashin or ANYONE for that matter will score a century down the order when you have ordinary MICKEY MOUSE bowling... That's a fact...

    An old fast bowler with no speed (Best), A wayward leftie (Cottrell), Over achiever against weak teams (Shilllingford) and I don't know why he was chosen (Permaul) DON'T MAKE A WORLD BEATING BOWLING UNIT!

    Honestly people in your Hearts of Hearts you know Shami is a MEDIUM-FAST BOWLER who swings the ball a little. Someone here said he's the next Waqar... REALLY?!!! Don't get me wrong he's a GOOD BOWLER. He bowled his Heart out and achieved his due rewards. WI Bowlers could LEARN A THING OR TWO FROM HIM.

    BELOW-PAR batting, HEARTLESS bowling and OVERALL lack of commitment brought the WI downfall.

    A Team with FIGHTING SPIRIT & HEART would have given a better fight. They got ROLLED OVER by a GOOD TEAM. NOTHING MORE OR LESS.

  • A-Gunnie on November 11, 2013, 16:24 GMT

    Well said @ Navindra Persad and to add to all of this non-sense....where is "big" Bravo and does any one noticed he's seem to always be un-available when it comes to test BUT usually recovers for the $$ games and IPL? I'll give Sammy credit for the limited version but as you may recalled Sammy was and still a part time player when he was selected to lead the W.I back then. Chanderpaul, Bravo, Samuel and Powell is probably the only test batsmen on this side.Finally, as the world can see,please bat Chanderpaul sooner on this mediocre lineup Mr. Gibson.

  • on November 11, 2013, 13:02 GMT

    The WI selectors and coach must take blame for the dismal performance. NOT the players, Gibson is the one who insisted Chanderpaul needs to change, Chanderpaul refused and that is reason he is doing well. Does anyone recall Gibson as a player, wildly irratic undisciplined performance. He expects anything better from his players. WI sent no swing bowlers (very few in the WI). Went in with a non playing captain, 5 batsmen, the top one playing no5. Bowled one spinner for 1/3 of the overs. No variation, did nothing to try to stop India. Poor captaining decisions and poor coaching. Sammy and Gibson must go. Best, Cotrell, and now Gabriel will be useless in India. You need to bowl good line and length and be consistent. Instead selectors sent bowlers who are known to be irratic but can get wickets if pitch suits them. Either the selectors or Gibson/Sammy must go for WI to have a chance

  • amjr on November 11, 2013, 12:52 GMT

    narine was getting married.

  • JoshFromJamRock on November 11, 2013, 12:36 GMT

    The best thing West Indies can do is to rest Shillingford for this match...I guess the only way this team setup is gonna change is if every fan in the Caribbean personally write a letter to the WICB and particular its president...For starters they need (as many sensible commenters have been saying) 7 batsmen including the wicket keeper and 4 geniune bowlers of pace and spin.

    The ideal situation would be Roach, Rampaul, Holder, Cummings, Narine, Miller and Shillingford in the squad as bowlers...as for batsmen, Chanderpaul, Samuels, Deonarine, Fudadin, Bravo, Edwards, Powell, Barath, Simmons (wk) and Walton (wk) ....this squad would be good enough to challenge India.

    #NoGayleNoSammyNoRamdin

  • KapilsDevils1983 on November 11, 2013, 11:34 GMT

    Gayle, Powell, Bravo, Samuels, Chanderpaul, Walton, Miller, Shillingford, Rampaul, Cummins, Taylor! Squad : Beatson, Deonarine, Kirk Edwards/Brathwaite (who is currently in better form), Narine.

  • on November 11, 2013, 10:25 GMT

    i agree find some good swing bowlers , fast bowlers like best and coterrell are over rated where are taylor and gabriel ,thats enough about fast bowlers we need a new wicket keeper and what about giving nikita miller ago he can spin and bat / now what gibson should do is improve the fielding ,its pathetic its4th grade stuff. i like barath as a cricketer he shows energy in batting and fielding.

  • SNIFFLEATHER on November 11, 2013, 10:16 GMT

    Gayle, Powell, Bravo(vc), Samuels, Chanderpaul, Deonarine, Simmons(w), Miller, Roach, Cummins, Cottrell. Captain to be one of the senior players - short term measure with Bravo vice-captain for a year or two before he takes over. The above team has far more balance, with these players ensuring depth: Brathwaite, Edwards, Fudadin, Narine, Johnson and Holder.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on November 11, 2013, 10:02 GMT

    @Blaster Pk. If you have problems with Sachin, keep them with you. India trashed a full strength WI at home and away in recent times. So there will not be any difference with those players in WI team.

  • on November 11, 2013, 8:30 GMT

    Mr Gibson: Part of the energy you are spending on talking to players, may please be used to talk to selectors to choose the right players. There are better players among the old-timers. There are also better players among the youngsters and others chosen for the 'A' team.

    But, of course, if you have our own blinkered views on players; that will only be compounding the blinkered views of the selectors further. A classic case of confusion confounded.

    After saying that, I would assert that if the top 5 batsmen clicks even this team can turn the tables on India. Guys like Gayle, Samuels, & Chanderpaul had already proved their credentials all over the world. And no one can question the talents of guys like Daren Bravo & Powell. They all have to remember that this is Test Cricket & hence have to apply themselves.

  • sramesh_74 on November 11, 2013, 7:45 GMT

    I fail to understand how somebody like Permaul can play in the 11 ahead of Narine. Permaul was quite ordinary. This might sound harsh, but he would struggle to start a game in any top domestic side in India. Gayle needs to curb his strokes a wee bit. If he can play out one session, he can dominate the bowling. Sammy has struggled as captain and more importantly as an 'all-rounder'. The less said about Ramdin's batting, the better. WI need a gameplan and options!!! At the moment they don't have neither!!!

  • on November 11, 2013, 7:30 GMT

    wat happened to bharath, sunil naraine, ravi rampaul, fidel edwards.. etc.. are all those injured... remember this series is arranged to praise and please sachin... its obvious that strike bowlers and all rounders are avoided... thanks to WI cricket board and BCCI for the great deal...

  • on November 11, 2013, 7:04 GMT

    This WI team is not good as WI A few weeks before perform very well than this team. some young batsmen perform very nice . WI Board rethink about a test team without these big t 20 star like Gayle sammy samuels best .

  • Sugath on November 11, 2013, 6:18 GMT

    When you read the face of West Indian batsmen you can predict what they are in for. Firstly they have no focus, looking very casual as if going to market on Sunday, has no idea where the crease is and think can blast every ball out of ground. I believe Chadarpaul should come number 3 and not too far down. Also Gayle must realize this is not T20 game but test cricket over 5 days. Also clear the skipper has no idea about the opposition strengths and weaknesses and seems not aware where the opportunities and threats are.Even when India were 5 down for just 83, the captain just kept dishing out the same me too ineffective tactics and handed the game on platter to India. This lot seems millions of miles away from the greats teams in 70s to 90s.

  • on November 11, 2013, 6:01 GMT

    the west indies should rewamp their selection of batsman and bowlers.look at the pathetic display of their batting,other than 2 or 3 the others have nothing much to offer,The fielding to is much to be desired . Its best they change the selectors including the chaerman.

  • ramesh-roy on November 11, 2013, 5:51 GMT

    What reverse swinging deliveries! They were big big INSEAMERS that cut in after pitching like off breaks on a dustbowl. Please, please dont confuse the readers and youngsters by the now overused "reverse swinging" cliche when the ball goes straight in the flight and then deviates off the pitch. Also why only when it come in and not when it goes away to the slips?

  • Biso on November 11, 2013, 5:25 GMT

    @SL_LIONS_USA: Shami is no average bowler. How many bowlers who can bowl reverse swinging deliveries can swing it late from good length or back of length? Most bowlers can reverse swing it when they pitch it quite full and also need lots of control to get it in the right places. The WI bowlers got reverse swing but did not have the skills to do it like Shami did. I believe Shami can reverse swing with both SG and Dukes ball. I am not sure about Kokkabura. He is a genuine conventional swing bowler also and he has shown those skills earlier against Pakistan in ODI's. Off course in Indian conditions he can not get conventional swing for more than 5 or 6 overs- But can make it up with reverse swing later. We have to see how good he is able to bowl with Kokkabura in Australia or SA. In NZ where conventional swing occurs he has to adapt to the Kokkabura. All said, if he keeps his head on his shoulders and is protected from an overdose of ODI's ot T-20's, should serve India well.

  • on November 11, 2013, 5:18 GMT

    West Indies lost it from the start when they picked just 5 batsman. Compare it to India who played 7. And still required the help of their 8th. Secondly, WI needs to play their best batsman, Shivnaraine Chandrapaul ahead. Hes the one who frustrates d bowlers and accumulates runs. He should have been their no 3 from long time. Plus he depends more on rotating d strikes than boundries, so therez no point of making him bat with d tail.

  • King_Anish on November 11, 2013, 5:14 GMT

    Really wonder how a player like Gibson can motivate or demand performance from the WI batsmen, when he himself was never regarded as a quality performer for the WI team. If Gibson really likes to improve the team, first he should pick the best possible XI. Players like Sammy, Ramdin or the wayward Tino Best cannot be part of their BEST team. Chanderpaul at 5 is not making sense and in Kolkata he never showed interest to guard the tail or farm the strike. WI could've tried Naraine in Kolkata to use his KKR experience at that venue. In Mumbai, WI must go with 6 quality batsmen and Samules should be bowling a lot.

  • satishchandar on November 11, 2013, 5:04 GMT

    Got a strong feeling like most of people here that Chanders should come in at 4.. 3 is way too hig.. If he gets a good ball, middle order will be nowhere.. Let Darren continue at 3 and try to rotate strike.. Gayle, Powell, Darren, Chanders, Samuels,Deo(looks a better bowler than Permaul and certainly a far far better batsman - Is WI thinking not to have almost all left in top order).. Bring in a new keeper. Ramdin is not upto mark these days. But he is good in domestic and once was even termed as next captain. Bowling looks bleak. Bring in Narine and partner him with Shilly. Both pace bowlers were way off mark and need a look in..

    Now, with this setup, there looks no place for the captain. He doesnt even look as a third seamer. I am a big Sammy fan but he need to do one department consistently and support in other to secure place.. Either be consistent enough to bat in top 7 or bowl consistent enough to be second seamer in these conditions..

  • Harinasi on November 11, 2013, 5:03 GMT

    West Indies need to get their batting line up corrected :- Gayle and Powell, Darren Bravo, Chanderpaul, Sammy(Gamble),Samuels,Ramdin and the rest of the Tail - Enders. Gayle and Powell - should stick with them no other option. Bravo and Chanderpaul probably the best of the lot in terms of having patience should be next. Sammy should be Gambled, let him play a quick 50 runs[ T20 style ] and that would mean a lot of difference...not asking him to get big hundreds. If in case there is a collapse in the batting, Samuels would be the best backup. Ramdin should stay at crease for a little longer support any of the top order batsmen, considering that he is out of form, he should only be asked to stay at crease, not to score runs too. any contribution from the bowling dept for batting is a welcome. Sachin's Last Test match and Chanderpaul's 150th West Indies, please up your standards and let's witness a nail biting test match..

  • on November 11, 2013, 4:23 GMT

    where Are Sarwan A expirence man for test team in India ? His needed for test match. out Sammy,permaul,best,colltrel & Ramdin,powellIn:-Sarwan,K.edwards,f.edwards,Rampal/j.taylor,Walton,Narine/D.Bishoo.

    where are Bishoo,Taylor & Sarwan.For test & for One dayer D.smith as a all rounder in india see his performance in CLT20 mumbai indians wins his percentge 50%

  • popahwheely on November 11, 2013, 4:19 GMT

    I agree with Gibson. Coaching WI is not easy we still have a couple of lazy people in the team. Gayle is one of them he needs wake up that 333 was a long time ago and test is not t20. Sammy is still the best captain in the WI. Ramdin looks hopeless. Best is no good. Deonarine in for Permaul and i hope they bat 90 overs at least. smh.

  • on November 11, 2013, 4:15 GMT

    West indies needs to drop this so called Lara wannabe! Who told him that just defending and defending will be the best thing to do in test cricket? Getting settle doesnt mean just stay on the crease and dont score runs? His batting is a moral killer! Lara never scored 15runs from 100 balls! He needs to rotate and score singles till he can get his eye in. Then go for those Lara shots! Till then I think we need to drop him bring in Kirk Edwards who scored a century against the Aussies in Australia! Kirk is by far way sensible batsman than Bravo! Powell is good. He is still young! Samuels is also a test level player, needs a lil more temperment. Ramdin needs to go!! Why not use Chadwick? Where is that guy? He can keep wicket! and bat wayyy better than this Ramdin garbage! Does this guy need another bashing from Viv to make a century? He cant bat!! Sammy can be a captain but thats it! And thats not enough!

  • on November 11, 2013, 4:07 GMT

    If there was a star bowler in Big bash league, IPL Bangledesh league or even srilankan league That bowler would definately make it in all the 3 international levels. But In the west indies board the recent CPL had a star bowler, He was also the most leading wicket taker. He might had also been the player of the tournament in the recent CPL. His name is Santokie. He bowls as good as Malinga! He has the perefect yorker! He is a sensible bowler. He takes wickets! He might not be as fast as cotrelle or Tino Best, But he knows how to bowl to batsmen. He most likely never even crossed the selectors minds. I do not blame the WICB! But sammy could have suggested that, and In the indian conditions he would be the Idle bowler for the windies! But for some weird reason he will never make it to the windies team, until he goes to IPL or some other league and shows his worth there. Then they will call him. Untill then lets watch Tino just give runs! Where is Kirk Edwards???

  • on November 11, 2013, 3:39 GMT

    the West Indies should play 6 specialist batsmen, like the Indians - including some who can turn their arms over.

  • 777aditya on November 11, 2013, 2:06 GMT

    @ Prateek Patel - you wish! Team India has been excellent in limited overs, but in tests the record of late leaves a lot to desire. India is no longer the last frontier as players across the world have acclimatized to playing conditions by participating in IPL. Most of these star players feature in the playing 11 of every visiting team. This WI team has raw talent, but application is nowhere to be seen. The same team will run India close like the Aussies did recently in limited overs.

  • simonviller on November 11, 2013, 1:56 GMT

    Wishing and hoping is like buying a lottery ticket and that's what WI are about at this point in time . Hoping that Gayle gives us the promised runs / Powell restrains himself and the tail wags more often . They are a few elephants in the room of WI cricket and until they are removed there will be no progress .

  • SL-USA-Lions on November 11, 2013, 1:39 GMT

    @ Everyone...

    India played well and the deserve the win. They got a good team, good captain and great coaching. That's a formula for victory.

    WI on the other hand have been doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result which is closer to INSANITY than anything else... AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE MID 90'S.

    Team is been picked up by drawing straws. There is no Chemistry, no passion and no will to win. PERIOD.

    Someone has to win and the other has to loose. BUT AT LEAST GIVE A GOOD FIGHT!!!

    This is something deep within the WI Cricket which is a Cancer slowly killing the Legacy of the yester years. THEY ARE NOT AN INTERNATIONAL SIDE BUT A MERE JOKE.

    WI really need to wake up. Winning the T20 WC and thinking there is a revival?!

    The saddest part is that there is so much raw talent in the region AND THEY STILL CONTINUE TO LOOSE 18 YEARS & COUNTING.

  • simonviller on November 11, 2013, 1:37 GMT

    I don't follow some of the arguments here against Gibson . I wish people would place the blame where it should be . A coach is not at the wicket when a batsman is batting . Any good batsman should perform most of the time ,if he is willing to apply himself ,or help the team . The great players didn't have to be spooned fed or baby- sat , so lets get some good players regardless of their territorial origins and dump these clumsy under-performers . I like Powell and Bravo ,they look technically sound ,but they need to work on a couple of strokes at this level -their cutting and hookig is not at test level and should be left to those who can . I am tired of seeing Powell being setup trying to play that silly shot ,that's what we should be talking about .

  • on November 11, 2013, 0:11 GMT

    The 5 batsman strategy with Ramdin @ # 6 worked vs Bangladesh & Zimbabwe. It was never going to work vs India & any of the better test nations. Simply because Ramdin is not a good enough to bat so high in tests & Sammy is also not equipped to be all-rounder batting @ # 7 in tests.

    Twist it or turn it that is the crux of the issue. The team was a batsman short in the 1st test.

    If Gibson & the selectors could not see that, then they must have seriously believed Windies were on the up after winning 6 tests in a row vs the minnows of ZIM & BANG & injured hit NZ team.

  • b4u8me2 on November 11, 2013, 0:01 GMT

    Gibson needs to realise that WI lost that match inside 3 days because WI played 10 players and a captain. Sammy contributed nothing in the game. Why play him as a bowler when in 130 overs he only bowls only bowls 12 overs. That is a job Samuels, Gayle or even Chanderpaul can do. Indian were 83 for 5 before Rohit Sharma batting at number 6 came in and made 177. Had India played a wasted player in their 11 like WI played Sammy Indian maybe would have made 150. While Sammy is useful in 20/20 and ODI he is neither a batsman or a strike bowler. Why is he playing in the test team? And then Gibson puts pressure on 5 batsman to do the work of 6 while the captain neither bowl nor bat.

  • SL-USA-Lions on November 10, 2013, 23:15 GMT

    @ Everyone...

    India played well and the deserve the win. They got a good team, good captain and great coaching. That's a formula for victory.

    WI on the other hand have been doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result which is closer to INSANITY than anything else... AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE MID 90'S.

    Team is been picked up by drawing straws. There is no Chemistry, no passion and no will to win. PERIOD.

    Someone has to win and the other has to loose. BUT AT LEAST GIVE A GOOD FIGHT!!!

    This is something deep within the WI Cricket which is a Cancer slowly killing the Legacy of the yester years. THEY ARE NOT AN INTERNATIONAL SIDE BUT A MERE JOKE.

    SUB-PAR batting, MICKEY MOUSE bowling and SLEEP WALKING commitment: AND YOU EXPECT TO WIN A TEST?

    WI really need to wake up. Winning the T20 WC and thinking there is a revival?!

    The saddest part is that there is so much raw talent in the region AND THEY STILL CONTINUE TO LOOSE 18 YEARS & COUNTING.

  • on November 10, 2013, 21:10 GMT

    No determination, commitment, discipline from west indies camp, so end up losing test match inside three days, the entire team must be blamed for this failure, i hope they bounce back in the second test, hope for the BEST

  • on November 10, 2013, 21:03 GMT

    After seeing what India did to the # 2 team in odi it wood b unwise for us keep Gayle, Samuels, Bravo, in India jus to lose a pointless odi series. those 3 along with shiv, powell, edwards, deonarine, ramdin , walton, Gabriel, cotterel, should be in New Zealand @ least 2 weeks before the start of the 1st test in Dunedin. If Roach & Rampaul are not match fit then we should take Cummins, Johnson , Holder & Andrew Richardson on tour as well.

  • gsingh7 on November 10, 2013, 20:33 GMT

    wi can do just as much. fact is that this indian team is lot better than them and will just be as ruthless as in first test. expecting wi to bat bette rand extend game to 4th day morning session. pujara must be kicking himself for not making enough runs in first test and denting his test average big time vs wi. he needs to score 130 plus to increase his 65 test average in first innings of second test. it will be difficult though as mumbai pitch have uneven bounce and red soil. any lead above 50 runs in first innings cud prove decisive.

  • on November 10, 2013, 20:11 GMT

    an good example of the reasoning analyzing and putting a plan into action would be to send the squad for the New Zealand tour straight there after the 2nd test in Mumbai. Test Cricket in India is as different from Test Cricket in New Zealand as Steel is to Cheese. The players will need time to rest & acclimatize to the different conditions before they can train optimally. If test players leave India the 28th after the odi series then they will have 4 DAYS, ie 1/2 A WEEK , to be ready for the 1st test which starts on the 3rd in Dunedin. Just 4 days to adjust from playing odi cricket in hot and humid India where IF there is any swing most likely it will be reverse & spin tends to dominate to playing Test cricket in cold and rainy New Zealand where Conventional swing holds sway and spinners are made to look ineffective. if that isnt a recipe for disaster i dont know what is.

  • on November 10, 2013, 20:05 GMT

    There is no shame in losing a Test match. What is shameful is losing a Test match when you don't have your best team playing. From the current squad to play in Mumbai on Nov 14, WI need to pick their best 11 players then choose a captain from the playing 11. The playing 11 should be Gayle, Chanderpaul, Bravo, Samuels, K Edwards, Deonarine, Walton, Shillingford, Permaul, Best, and Gabriel, and time to give Samuels a chance to prove his worth and passion for WI cricket and make him the captain. BCCI will be happy because the Test go into the 5 th day.

  • on November 10, 2013, 19:49 GMT

    Otis demands more from batsmen, when do they get to "demand more of him?"

  • on November 10, 2013, 19:11 GMT

    What about your bowlers Mr. Opiss Gibson? During the 7th wicket partnership between Sharma and Ashwin your boy D Sammy bowled six overs - in three overs spell, Why didn't he bowled more. Sammy is your 1st change bowler, yet after six overs with the new ball Shillingford had to bowl again. Sammy doesn't bat when WI is batting, he doesn't bowl when WI is fielding. What do you two discuss when you have coach / captain meetings.

  • CricNutt on November 10, 2013, 19:04 GMT

    I agree with Wilson. Even against a SOFT team like WI, India brought in the extra batman in Rohit, even though Ashwin and Dhoni often contribute with the bat. Who do the WI think they are to do otherwise?

  • on November 10, 2013, 19:02 GMT

    Time to groom T Chanderpaul to open the batting for WI. Also Ramdin should be dropped and N Pooran should be drafted in to be the future wicket keeper in all formats for WI. These youngsters are WI future, get them in early along with J Holder.

  • on November 10, 2013, 18:54 GMT

    You guys are always on Sammy whenever things go off the boil for West Indies. Dwayne Bravo is a follower not a leader. Forget that nonsense about replacing Sammy with him in test. I agree with playing a sixth all rounder in Deonarine. Gayle might as well swing his bat just as he did for 175 in IPL to get to his first test hundred against India. Bravo cannot be more ideal than Kirk Edwards at this time at #3. Ramdin needs to buck up. Well there are two wicket keepers on this tour. Show some guts OTIS and prove the selectors right in selecting 2 keepers for a two test match series.

  • on November 10, 2013, 18:52 GMT

    Its not that the West Indies team is bad, its just the Indian cricket team is that good

  • on November 10, 2013, 18:47 GMT

    Otis Gibson played two Tests, four years apart, took three wickets at an average of 91.33. He does not have the pedigree to be a Test coach. Darren Sammy is not a batsmen or a bowler and a-below average captain. He also does not have the pedigree to be a Test player. Both of these men should excuse themselves from WI cricket and do something else with their lives.

  • on November 10, 2013, 18:32 GMT

    WI were Bosting after beating ZIM BAN and the depleted NZ team not they reach a real Test team them fall. Why drop Sammy from the ODI captaincy and let him cap the Test Team is still a mystery? Sammy is more fit for the ODI cap.

  • on November 10, 2013, 18:17 GMT

    The batting wasn't the best but I think some WI supporters are discrediting Shami. One bowler beat us. In both innings the spinners were handled quite well and then the reverse swing came. If our bowler bowled like that we would call him the next best thing since Malcolm Marshall. Some of those balls he bowled was crazy and I would struggle to name a bowler in our set up who can do that. Bowling at 88mph too. Still we can improve. I think the second test will be better.

  • jahbert58 on November 10, 2013, 18:09 GMT

    This series is a full gone conclusion! another inning defeat by this time next week. lets hope not for our fan sake. For the your of New Zealand am expecting Brathwaite, Powell, Edwards,Chanderpaul, Samuels, Dm. Bravo/Deonarine, the best keeper for test matches!!! Ramdin, Shillingford, Rampaul, Roach, and Holder who have the most potential of the quick. Simmons as an opener or second keeper and another young quick like Cummins. sorry Cottrell have a lot of work to do not impressed and there NO allrounder test cricketer in the WI at this time. In ODI & T20 you can get by not in test cricket. Give Ramdin cpt for this tour then go from there with Edwards or Powell.

  • on November 10, 2013, 18:05 GMT

    It is the mind set of the players, after being 168 +/- for 1 and getting bowled out, not the fault of the captain or coach. That come down to mental toughness. In addition, having India on the run so to speak...suggestions to Sammy to look at some of the other team give a Gayle a few overs and the batsmen will relax possibility might clipped a wicked. This is where Deonarine come in, from the Caribbean series against Pakistan and then New Zealand he would get a break through in his 1st or 2nd over plus he is a batsman. In the bowling department Miller/Narine instead of Permaul for second spinner to join Shillingford or even Deonarine steady bowler who takes wickets and scores hundreds too. Looking at Narine good bowler in 20/20 and ODIs...but back at England and Bangladesh series....test cricket is to out smart the batsman. Used the work ethics and techniques adopt by the WICB women teams, coaching the spinners., for the batsmen have Chanderpaul teach them a lesson in patience.

  • Chan1966 on November 10, 2013, 17:51 GMT

    Mr. Gibson please resign from the post with immediate effect. That's the best thing you can do to W/Indies cricket. Give that post to someone like Gordon Greenidge...etc. Drop Chris Gayle from test side, then drop Ramdin permanently as he is the worst ever wicket keeper - batsman West Indies ever had, drop Sammy from test side...etc. Ask Roach to play in the every test along with Gabriel and Rampaul as Tino Best is a waste. Perhaps Best can retain in the side as a batsman. Watching W/I cricket these days is the...? Bring back Kirk Edwards (may be he can open with Powell), L.P.Simmons and L.Jhonson to the test team. Chanders should bat ahead of Samuels. Bring back the Prince Brian Lara if you can as he is still better than all the current players . Think of Geoff Boycott, He went onto play for England until he was 45 and played some terrific cricket against the Clive Lloyd's West Indianns, the best bowling attack in the world in the 1980's. Arguably the greatest ever team in the world

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 10, 2013, 17:39 GMT

    With all respects to WI fans, I simply think your team is NOT good for this level. With the exception of Chanderpaul, nobody else is of international quality in this WI test line up. Gayle, Samuels, Darren Bravo are all good in limited overs; Ramdin is unfit for international cricket, and the bowling is weak along with Sammy's presence as captain. This team won't improve unless there are drastic changes, beginning with the captaincy. Right now, Sammy is using up valuable space. He neither contributes as bowler or batsman. They also need a better wicket keeper with batting skills than Ramdin. Coming to the bowling, they need a good spinner to partner Shillingford; I thought Permaul was ordinary. The fast bowling is okay but not effective in Indian conditions. Lastly, their top 4 batsmen need to play their natural game. Far too many times I thought they played cautiously without any need for that. All of this must change if they want to at least draw the next test.

  • on November 10, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    Still cannot understand the reasoning of taking Deonaine and not having him playing in the test matches! this man has prove to contribute! Beside Chanderpaul,he is the most dependable player.....Gibson try to be more fair,you are sticking with Sammy,why not play Deonarine .........you didn't want Sarwan,not Deonarine too!!

  • on November 10, 2013, 16:45 GMT

    only 2 teams in current Test Cricket consistently have the ability to play 5 batsmen and do it successfully & neither South Africa nor England have been resorting to this strategy. India can try it @ home yet they refuse to. In away series outside Asia they dare not play 5 batsmen because they would lose as their bowling is below par & their batsmen struggle on tours. they lost 8-nil to England & Australia playing 6 batsmen & possibly they would have lost to us too if Sammy did not drop Dravid @ Sabina Park. So why do you & the selectors insist to persist with this 5 batsmen tactic? do you believe that this squad will somehow magically transform into late 70's to early 90's world dominating mode? they are not that good. & with the amount of test series that are being cancelled to play hit & giggle ODI cricket how will they get there when Our 1st class tournament is a farce and they wont be playing tough 1st class cricket in England or Australia or anywhere else for that matter.

  • on November 10, 2013, 16:45 GMT

    Be aware that every practice start in the nets! so how you prepared is the same gonna be in the game. the different between the two teams! Indian players have a much better technical skills in batting and bowling. in batting their bat is long forward bat and pad together the right way, but the WI are not sure whether to go forward or backward (SAMUELS) and bat in front of pad (BRAVO) then you have the bowlers who never uses their wrist so how do you expect to get the ball to swing both ways look at top bowlers of today all swing the ball both ways STEYN, ANDERSON even the Indian bowlers who just came onto the seen. my point to GIBSON is it's all about coaching and not intimidation. maybe that what wrong with the WI

  • on November 10, 2013, 16:36 GMT

    Sincerely, Gibson has to work hard on those reverse swing. I mean we have seen before how Zaheer bowled those deliveries but Shami is something sensational with old ball. Control on those deliveries was so good that For a moment i thought Major DhyanChand is bowling those deliveries with his magical hockey stick.

    Excellent performance Shami, and to Gibson better luck next time mate.

  • SamRoy on November 10, 2013, 16:22 GMT

    Sammy needs to be replaced by Dwayne Bravo in the test team. And what is Nikita Miller doing sitting outside the squad and Permaul playing? Narine will take another couple of years of first class cricket to develop as a genuine threat in test cricket. My advise to him. Play IPL; after IPL try to play in English county season. Until Narine develops Shillingford and Nikita Miller must bowl in tandem. Even back in the WI as most of the current pitches are square turners.

  • on November 10, 2013, 16:15 GMT

    SO Gibson played 5 batsmen. Gayle, Powell, Bravo, Samuels. Chanderpaul. This leaves 5 bowlers- Sammy, Best, Cotterel,SHillingford,Permaul, So Sammy and Ramdin are not batsmen and Sammy cant bowl either so drop these 2. Permaul is not a good partner for Shillingford drop him. I leave these rest.... Do you think Gibson will do anything....No way......

  • Mayfield on November 10, 2013, 16:07 GMT

    First and foremost Coach Gibson, Sammy must be relieved of the captaincy. The WI look like a joke having Sammy as captain and this experiment must come to an end. The reason WI will continue to lose is that they have no champion quality players(barring Chanderpaul). No one that stands up and be counted when it is necessary. We have no Roberts, no Holding,no Greenidge or Haynes, no Viv, no Ambrose, no Marshall, no Lara, just to name a few. We have players who have potential but lack the dicipline and the moxy to fight it out. Add to that, they are led by a player that cannot demand his place in the team.

  • indiasucksgobd on November 10, 2013, 16:07 GMT

    West indies squad should look like this Gayle powell dm bravo Samuels chanders dj bravo any wicketkeeper other than ramdin narine badree rampaul holder

  • on November 10, 2013, 15:59 GMT

    @SL-USA-Lions Ashwin scoring a ton can't sum things up of WI commitment and application in this test match.. He has an avg of 41 in test cricket. thats sums it up if you wanna talk about him as a batsman !!! WI, please for once.. get rid off players like Gayle and Sammy from test cricket!!!

  • fireballer on November 10, 2013, 14:37 GMT

    No mention of Sammy's performance......(Gibson's boy did well) How about his choice of bowlers? Sammy's lack of invention or initiative as a captain? It' seems as if Gibson is captaining from the dressing room. Sammy is doing whatever the coach wants to the tee and has no imagination nor intuition. A good coach does not mouth off his players in public. Duncan Fletcher does not speak to the press about his players failure to deliver. A VERY GOOD COACH DEALS WITH ISSUES @ practice sessions or in planning sessions . A coach motivates not call out his charges in the press..

  • CricketChat on November 10, 2013, 14:33 GMT

    Gibson once again reiterated the known fact. The position of coach is over hyped. He can only do so much. As for Mubai test, WI must play 6 batsmen, not five. Ravi is a must. He is a feisty character and can give the edge to pace bowling missing in the last test in the absence of Roach. Chanderpaul should move up to no.4. He and Barvo (#3) can blunt out the Ind pace attack when the 1st or 2nd wkt falls (With Gayle and Powll opening, should happen within the first 10 overs anyway).

  • SL-USA-Lions on November 10, 2013, 14:25 GMT

    Continued...

    WI can't field a competitive 11 for a test? I'm sick to my stomach.

    Indian team is talented, well balanced, well coached & captained. But honestly Shami is an average bowler. And Ashwin scores a century? THAT SAYS IT ALL.

    WI selection process has been a SHAM for two decades and it shows with their recent record. Undisciplined batting, poor bowling and overall lack of fighting spirit by the whole team has been a common stay with WI for far too long.

    No new young fast bowlers are coming through the system. WI used to have an army of FAST BOWLERS some not even getting a chance to be in the team. Best over Roach? Narine not in the mix? Shiv is getting old so it's time for a young gun.

    I can go on and on... But I"M SIMPLY TIRED.

    I'm tired of seeing this team loosing and loosing. I'm not even from WI. But I used to love how they used play with talent, Charisma and passion.

    I want the old WI team to rise like the PHOENIX and rule the cricketing world LIKE THEY USED TO.

  • SL-USA-Lions on November 10, 2013, 14:24 GMT

    Congrats to India... They played well and they deserved to win the game...

    As a life long WI fan the depths to which the Windies have fallen to is really pathetic... Sure they won the T20 WC but what does that really stand for?

    Times are changing and T20's are becoming more popular and I really love the competitive spirit of the game. But point blank some WI players just show up for the MONEY.

    The Board is mismanaging the talent, there is no coherence between the governing bodies of the countries representing WI as a unified team, there is no grass root system, past WI Legends with so much to offer in expertise are not in the mix to support young talent, there is no proper structure to groom youngsters and finally the coaching staff is USELESS.

    Viv once said that Gibson used to laugh after loosing few matches when he used to be in the team (Which was not many anyway) Who would laugh after loosing a game? Is it a joke?

  • on November 10, 2013, 14:21 GMT

    Why West Indies are bearing this kind of flop wicket keeper for a long time ? D. Ramdin has only avg of 26 after playing 51 Tests. And only avg 20 after playing more than 100 ODI. Whenever D Ramdin has arrived in India- he faces a lot of trouble. I hardly remembered any good innings in this sub- continent ? Dont u think- Ramdin should have replaced as early as possible...

  • on November 10, 2013, 14:21 GMT

    I'm not sure why West Indies persist with Ramdin. I am not sure why a high class caliber spinner like Narine is not in the team partnering Shillingford. There is a psychological importance of the West Indies team that is lacking on paper. And yes we need Chanderpaul and Samuel to open the batting. We need Gayle and Powell to bat at number 5 and 6. And we need to play a wicketkeeper batsman. We need the first 4 batters to be solid defensive players. Our openers are too eager to give away their wickets.

  • on November 10, 2013, 14:17 GMT

    I think the selectors along with Gibson should go, drop Sammy we have a world class all rounder in bravo who can't make this weak West Indies team it's a shame , Gibson needs to go so the next coach will select bravo , chanderpaul needs to bat earlier why Gibson can't see that

  • 214ty on November 10, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    West Indies is either not learning or not paying attention. Nowadays test teams play 7 specialist batsmen including the wicket keeper. When are you going to get rid of Ramdin? He is not a batsman nor a w/keeper. Wicket keepers must score consistent 50s or even occasional hundreds. Remember the days when Allan Knott used to put a complete stop to bowlers and rescue England with consistent 50s? You have 5 bowlers that are not penetrative and cannot bat. Nowadays all bowlers up No. 10 are batsmen. Is that all W.I have to offer? Where do the selectors look when selecting the team? They are sure not looking at all the Caribbean Islands. Do we still have remedial cricket? Remember, the problem starts with poor team selection. Look at how India traumatize Australia! Maybe we need to change the selectors and stop listening to Ottis Gibson's sorry excuses every time they fail.

  • on November 10, 2013, 13:22 GMT

    This W.I team dancing to the same old tunes, all talk and no action at the creese. Except Shillinford none of the batsmen did their job in Kalkota test. Even with the low first innings score they should have done much better, India were 84/5 or so and ended up winning by innings and some, not good enough windies. The top batsmen Powell, Gayle and Bravo, Samuel need to improve fast without much time or it will be much of the same or worse in the 2nd test match. Ramdin had too much chances with delivering the goods, fine wicket keeper but he is not ready for test cricket. The rest of the bowlers are trying their best but they are simple not good enough at this level.....As a true windies follower, I wish them all the best in the next test.

  • on November 10, 2013, 13:20 GMT

    Why 5 batsman? We need to play 6 batsmen and an allrounder. Sammy is not an allrounder, his bowling and batting below par. Try jason holder and drop sammy. India batting is superior than WI, india uplay 7 batsman and Ashwin. Samuel owe WI cricket a lot, and need to make some big hundred.

  • on November 10, 2013, 13:17 GMT

    Gibson is now bold enough to deflect the failures from him to the players he is supposed to be coaching. Is coaching only about talking? As the head goes so goes the body. What really is the problem? The players don't look or act as if they Are a cohesive group. A team cant gel if there is no incentive to do so. Until changes are made where the should be of course starting with the top two.the coach and captain, there will only be more deflection of root cause and excuses. No Mr.Gibson it is not about all a coach can say,thats not you were hired to do. I do hope that you have so sympathy or even empathy for the Caribbean people we are hurting.

  • on November 10, 2013, 12:51 GMT

    I think they should play it as a test match because most of their batsmen look for boundaries all the time. they should get themselves some time and then should explode,

  • BRUTALANALYST on November 10, 2013, 12:38 GMT

    India will almost certainly only need to bat once again in the final Test it's going to be more of the same if not worse. After the pathetic performance Kirk Edwards should be given a shot here instead of Darren Bravo who continues to demonstrate he is not mature enough for Test cricket, Walton should replace Ramdin and Gabriel Permaul (although I doubt he will have much hope on the Indian tracks) Rampaul would have been a better option to give some experience and control or Miller /Narine for second spinner to join Shillingford. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter cos they will be thrashed again but some guys deserve a shot and others mentioned chances and performance do not warrant any more chances !

  • on November 10, 2013, 12:21 GMT

    Would love to hear what happened to fast bowlers ? poor shillingford toiled without help.

  • on November 10, 2013, 12:12 GMT

    When you have a coach in the class of Gibson,this is what you get.Cricket is not circus,it's a game where a coach has to be open minded, with a touch of talent.The performance of the team is a reflection of the coach and management. The first five batsmen are all talented,each has hundreds to his name. M Shami, whose performance with zero expierence at test level,troubled everyone except Chanderpaul.He indeed bowled Samuels with a beauty,but isn't that what is expected of great fast bowlers.Is it a credit to Samuels to be bowled by a good delivery?Well it seems Ok to Gibson.There is much to be corrected,but like have suggested by some smart people,bat Chanderpaul up the order, or even open with him.He is your best batter.Who is he batting with at the bottom? Is he supposed to be protecting every tail ender while the cloud over his head continues to get darker?

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    They will lose Mombai

  • on November 10, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    They will lose Mombai

  • on November 10, 2013, 12:12 GMT

    When you have a coach in the class of Gibson,this is what you get.Cricket is not circus,it's a game where a coach has to be open minded, with a touch of talent.The performance of the team is a reflection of the coach and management. The first five batsmen are all talented,each has hundreds to his name. M Shami, whose performance with zero expierence at test level,troubled everyone except Chanderpaul.He indeed bowled Samuels with a beauty,but isn't that what is expected of great fast bowlers.Is it a credit to Samuels to be bowled by a good delivery?Well it seems Ok to Gibson.There is much to be corrected,but like have suggested by some smart people,bat Chanderpaul up the order, or even open with him.He is your best batter.Who is he batting with at the bottom? Is he supposed to be protecting every tail ender while the cloud over his head continues to get darker?

  • on November 10, 2013, 12:21 GMT

    Would love to hear what happened to fast bowlers ? poor shillingford toiled without help.

  • BRUTALANALYST on November 10, 2013, 12:38 GMT

    India will almost certainly only need to bat once again in the final Test it's going to be more of the same if not worse. After the pathetic performance Kirk Edwards should be given a shot here instead of Darren Bravo who continues to demonstrate he is not mature enough for Test cricket, Walton should replace Ramdin and Gabriel Permaul (although I doubt he will have much hope on the Indian tracks) Rampaul would have been a better option to give some experience and control or Miller /Narine for second spinner to join Shillingford. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter cos they will be thrashed again but some guys deserve a shot and others mentioned chances and performance do not warrant any more chances !

  • on November 10, 2013, 12:51 GMT

    I think they should play it as a test match because most of their batsmen look for boundaries all the time. they should get themselves some time and then should explode,

  • on November 10, 2013, 13:17 GMT

    Gibson is now bold enough to deflect the failures from him to the players he is supposed to be coaching. Is coaching only about talking? As the head goes so goes the body. What really is the problem? The players don't look or act as if they Are a cohesive group. A team cant gel if there is no incentive to do so. Until changes are made where the should be of course starting with the top two.the coach and captain, there will only be more deflection of root cause and excuses. No Mr.Gibson it is not about all a coach can say,thats not you were hired to do. I do hope that you have so sympathy or even empathy for the Caribbean people we are hurting.

  • on November 10, 2013, 13:20 GMT

    Why 5 batsman? We need to play 6 batsmen and an allrounder. Sammy is not an allrounder, his bowling and batting below par. Try jason holder and drop sammy. India batting is superior than WI, india uplay 7 batsman and Ashwin. Samuel owe WI cricket a lot, and need to make some big hundred.

  • on November 10, 2013, 13:22 GMT

    This W.I team dancing to the same old tunes, all talk and no action at the creese. Except Shillinford none of the batsmen did their job in Kalkota test. Even with the low first innings score they should have done much better, India were 84/5 or so and ended up winning by innings and some, not good enough windies. The top batsmen Powell, Gayle and Bravo, Samuel need to improve fast without much time or it will be much of the same or worse in the 2nd test match. Ramdin had too much chances with delivering the goods, fine wicket keeper but he is not ready for test cricket. The rest of the bowlers are trying their best but they are simple not good enough at this level.....As a true windies follower, I wish them all the best in the next test.

  • 214ty on November 10, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    West Indies is either not learning or not paying attention. Nowadays test teams play 7 specialist batsmen including the wicket keeper. When are you going to get rid of Ramdin? He is not a batsman nor a w/keeper. Wicket keepers must score consistent 50s or even occasional hundreds. Remember the days when Allan Knott used to put a complete stop to bowlers and rescue England with consistent 50s? You have 5 bowlers that are not penetrative and cannot bat. Nowadays all bowlers up No. 10 are batsmen. Is that all W.I have to offer? Where do the selectors look when selecting the team? They are sure not looking at all the Caribbean Islands. Do we still have remedial cricket? Remember, the problem starts with poor team selection. Look at how India traumatize Australia! Maybe we need to change the selectors and stop listening to Ottis Gibson's sorry excuses every time they fail.

  • on November 10, 2013, 14:17 GMT

    I think the selectors along with Gibson should go, drop Sammy we have a world class all rounder in bravo who can't make this weak West Indies team it's a shame , Gibson needs to go so the next coach will select bravo , chanderpaul needs to bat earlier why Gibson can't see that