India v West Indies, 2nd Test, Mumbai, 3rd day November 16, 2013

'We've been taught a lesson' - Sammy

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Darren Sammy has admitted that West Indies were exposed completely by the 2-0 defeat against India after three-day defeats in both Kolkata and Mumbai. Sammy admitted West Indies learned a "lesson" but said that his team was better than the result would indicate.

"Yes, it's very disappointing. We never turned up in the series," Sammy said. "We left the Caribbean at the back of six Test victories, against Bangladesh, New Zealand and Zimbabwe. Coming here really taught us a lesson, exposed us, taught us how far we are behind the top four teams in the world. We've just not turned up."

Sammy said West Indies were aware about how cricket would be secondary in the series that was Sachin Tendulkar's farewell to cricket. But in the end they ended being too benevolent to India, Sammy felt.

"I was speaking to a good friend of mine and he summed it up very well. He said we knew you were coming here to a celebration, and (hope) you got a lot of gifts. That's what we did. Rohit making his debut Test series, gifts - two hundreds. Mohammed Shami making his debut, gifts - lots of wickets. We just didn't turn up.

"And I personally have been very disappointed, not just for me but for the team as well. It's a good lesson for us, as we head down to New Zealand, for our next Test series, we've got to bounce back and come back strongly," he said.

However much honest Sammy can be, West Indies have a lot of areas to improve on. The maximum West Indies lasted across their four innings was 78 overs; In their second innings in Mumbai they failed to last even 50 overs. Only Marlon Samuels and Denesh Ramdin managed to hit half-centuries. Kemar Roach's shoulder injury at the outset of the series exposed the bowling completely as Tino Best, despite his honest toil, remained inconsistent and Rohit Sharma extracted maximum advantage of the Barbadian's wayward bowling by picking easy runs.

The only bright spark was offspinner Shane Shillingford, who finished as joint second-highest wicket-taker (11) in the series. Unfortunately for him, he did not have any partner who could multiply the pressure he was trying to create and that allowed India an easy escape route many times.

"We won six Test matches against teams we were ranked higher than," Sammy said. "Now we play against team that are ranked higher than us, it was an opportunity to showcase what we have. What we displayed over the last two Test matches, or over six days, we're much better than that. If you look at the way we played, every time we've been under pressure, we've not responded well."

In his post-mortem of the defeat in Kolkata, Sammy had pointed West Indies were defeated in the mind. Today he once again cited the same reason. "I guess it's is a mental thing. Myself as captain has not led from the front at all in this series. We deserve all the criticism that and the comments that have been thrown at us," Sammy said.

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  • Johnny_129 on November 21, 2013, 0:05 GMT

    I feel for Sammy - He is a real gentleman and of good character. He is not a gifted cricketer (as far as the highest levels are concerned) but he is an honest trier. I would say he is a good leader because it is a very difficult task to lead a team and have the teams respect when there is doubt of your own place in the side. The problem is compounded when the team itself is weak and failing to get results. As long as Sammy is in the WI side, he should remain captain.

  • team_india_no1 on November 18, 2013, 9:45 GMT

    There are many WI supporters here who feel D Sammy should exit and T Best, C Gayle, M Samuels and S Chanderpaul should stay. D Sammy as a captain should have lead from the front?? or the senior pros? ask yourself? When we (India) lost miserably in England and Australia and England beat us in India itself who is responsible MS Dhoni as a captain? or Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Tendulkar, Zaheer, Laxman? Do these guys need inspiration/pep talk/leading from front from coach (D Fletcher) or captain after tons of experience?? Look at the personality of MS Dhoni or a D Sammy and you can see why they are captain material? It has nothing to do directly with performances, every single time. In fact, Shillingford and Powell in his return showed more intent than others.

  • cooljack_143 on November 18, 2013, 8:15 GMT

    I RESPECT SAMMY for one reason that He didnt show EMOTIONS after dismissing the master,,, had it been any other player like Tino or Shillingford they would have made a mockery of the situation.No wonder this guy is the captain of WI..Many are asking for him to be replaced by Ramdin, have every one forgotten what that guy did to Viv, in ENG when he got 100,Is that the way future captain behaves????? Any team would succumb to the pressure created by In crowd in these retirement tests,well not may be by 3rd day but, sure the result would have favored Ind, be it Eng/SA, that Sachin & Ind crowd for you.Sammy would turn against NZ & WI would win that series...Good luck

  • everfaithful77 on November 18, 2013, 6:49 GMT

    Cont'd recommendations to Dave CAMERON(President of WICB). C. Ask Sammy to submit his RESIGNATION as captain of TEST team immediately (His leadership, tactics such as setting fields and his own performance as bowler or batsman was clearly deficient in this series. Sammy must be THANKED by WICB for taking over the reins of the team in all formats at short notice and quite frankly giving his best as leader and player. The HIGHLIGHTS of his captaincy includes winning the 20/20 WC and 6 consecutive test victories. However these victories were against teams ranked lower while Windies struggled even to draw matches vs higher ranked teams. The ODI results were no better Windies being humiliated by Bangladesh and Pakistan at home. Dinesh RAMDIN is the logical choice to captain WI TEST & ODI teams at this point and in time for the New Zealand series. He has been vice capt of Windies test team for quite sometime and also served as v/c and capt in other formats. Has led T&T in all formats).contd

  • Lakie on November 18, 2013, 3:40 GMT

    As an avid fan of the WI, I am not only disappointed with their overall performance but more importantly,the lack of Pride with which they displayed temperament in their batting.

    Test matches are designed to test ones true skill and aptitude of the game over the course of 5 days. If the Test is completed within 3 days and you are on the losing end, then it's miserable failure. If the another Test occurs and the results are the same, then one can conclude that we are either not prepared or Lack Skills and aptitude for Tests.

    After being beaten in the first test in under four(4) days after batting First, one would think that a greater effort would be made in managing each session along with working the singles off the bowling attack. Since batting is our strength; and has been for over 15 years, each of our specialized batsmen along with the bowlers should put more value to their time at the crease than what has been displayed during most if not all of our test matches.

    Hope

  • on November 18, 2013, 2:22 GMT

    Criticism everywhere of Sammy. Justified? Not in my mind. First find out why Sammy was given that role and very importantly, what was and is the state of W.I. cricket, immediately preceding and during his tenure. Let's go back a bit. Remember the disarray within the WICBC. Again, remember the poisonous atmosphere which existed within the board. And the board and players/players union. All the negative vibes resonated; poor attitudes of senior players, territorial demands for their home players, the under development of cricket in the Caribbean etc. And don't forget, lack of funds. W.I. had to find a way to survive against the turmoil. Someone with leadership qualities, with peoples' skills and can play cricket had to be identified. Sammy, with his public speaking abilities, his fair mindedness and honesty, filled the void. Agreed, performance with bat and ball has been lean. But other aspects of his job are good. When WI find able and keen candidates, Sammy will exit, a success.

  • Little_Aussie_Battler on November 17, 2013, 23:21 GMT

    Saw some of the West Indian batting during this series. A lot of basic errors were committed by the batsmen. Bats need to minimise their risky shot taking for beginners. It looks great when you get away with it, but you look foolish when you get out to silly shots. If I were someone like a Gayle, I would cut back on the pull shots and aerial shots. If he just hit along the ground, the bowlers would struggle to remove him.

    On the bowling front, bowlers need to concentrate on the basics as well. Bowling to good line and length and minimising wayward balls. This is a gift to opposition batsmen on flat tracks. Bowlers need to plan ahead of what they intend to bowl to batsmen.

    West Indies have potential and talent but they lack concentration, discipline and anything that resembles a plan. Sounds simple on the surface, but to instill this in a team that is all over the place is nigh on impossible I feel. You need to do this in junior ranks before they even get to island level.

  • on November 17, 2013, 19:54 GMT

    a major stat that help expand the gap between both teams is that India were almost 2x as likely to get a single off any given ball than West Indies 13% of balls windies faced went for singles vs 24 or so for India. that's a significant difference. not making singles helps build pressure as the bowler gets kicks from racking up dot balls while the batsman feels the need to try and manufacture shots as he feels tied down. it also makes it easier for the bowler to build rhythm & plan his bowling if he is bowling to the same batsman for prolonged periods. along with not rotating the strike when we were batting Indian batsmen who fed a proliferation of bad balls which were duly dispatched 2 score boundaries.

  • everfaithful77 on November 17, 2013, 19:44 GMT

    VERY POOR & EMBARASSING PERFORMANCE by West Indies; ranks among the worst I've seen of the team. MR. DAVE CAMERON replaced Mr. Hunte as PRESIDENT of WICB. What I'd like to know from Mr. Cameron: Did he ran for president just to wear a TITLE or did he intend to make SIGNIFICANT CHANGES and/or ADJUSTMENTS with a view for progress and improvement in West Indies cricket ? If it was not to do the latter then he shouldn't have ran. This is critical because there is need for FUNDAMENTAL changes in WI cricket right now. You don't have to figure them out because the bloggers on this website have correctly identified most of the changes that are needed. For your convenience here are few of the more important: A. Replace current PANEL OF SELECTORS(simply don't appear to have a clue how to select the best team to represent WI); B. Replace current HEAD COACH(the batsmen and bowlers are repeating the same mistakes and are regressing in performance; man-mgt & tactical skills a big concern).contd

  • on November 17, 2013, 18:12 GMT

    whatever Sammy may say he has utterly failed as Captain and as a team man - if the WI had gone down fighting valiantly in either of the tests no one would have blamed them - but the way they played arrogant cricket - including Sammy - they deserved to lose - luck only favours the brave - and every Captain/Coach whenever they tour India speak a lot and Otis Gibson was no exception - Gibson must be eating his words of spoiling sachin's farewell series - WI was dumped and dusted inside three days - they are bring shame to the old WI team - defeat and victory are two faces of the coin but the way WI batted, bowled and fielded - any league team in our country would have been victorious over them - this is not the way they shoudl have played particularly when Sachin was present - it is a shame they did not learnfrom him how to bat or bowl - no use in uttering did not play well - Sammy and Gibson should sit in isolation and contemplate taking a break on moral grounds of letting the team down

  • Johnny_129 on November 21, 2013, 0:05 GMT

    I feel for Sammy - He is a real gentleman and of good character. He is not a gifted cricketer (as far as the highest levels are concerned) but he is an honest trier. I would say he is a good leader because it is a very difficult task to lead a team and have the teams respect when there is doubt of your own place in the side. The problem is compounded when the team itself is weak and failing to get results. As long as Sammy is in the WI side, he should remain captain.

  • team_india_no1 on November 18, 2013, 9:45 GMT

    There are many WI supporters here who feel D Sammy should exit and T Best, C Gayle, M Samuels and S Chanderpaul should stay. D Sammy as a captain should have lead from the front?? or the senior pros? ask yourself? When we (India) lost miserably in England and Australia and England beat us in India itself who is responsible MS Dhoni as a captain? or Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Tendulkar, Zaheer, Laxman? Do these guys need inspiration/pep talk/leading from front from coach (D Fletcher) or captain after tons of experience?? Look at the personality of MS Dhoni or a D Sammy and you can see why they are captain material? It has nothing to do directly with performances, every single time. In fact, Shillingford and Powell in his return showed more intent than others.

  • cooljack_143 on November 18, 2013, 8:15 GMT

    I RESPECT SAMMY for one reason that He didnt show EMOTIONS after dismissing the master,,, had it been any other player like Tino or Shillingford they would have made a mockery of the situation.No wonder this guy is the captain of WI..Many are asking for him to be replaced by Ramdin, have every one forgotten what that guy did to Viv, in ENG when he got 100,Is that the way future captain behaves????? Any team would succumb to the pressure created by In crowd in these retirement tests,well not may be by 3rd day but, sure the result would have favored Ind, be it Eng/SA, that Sachin & Ind crowd for you.Sammy would turn against NZ & WI would win that series...Good luck

  • everfaithful77 on November 18, 2013, 6:49 GMT

    Cont'd recommendations to Dave CAMERON(President of WICB). C. Ask Sammy to submit his RESIGNATION as captain of TEST team immediately (His leadership, tactics such as setting fields and his own performance as bowler or batsman was clearly deficient in this series. Sammy must be THANKED by WICB for taking over the reins of the team in all formats at short notice and quite frankly giving his best as leader and player. The HIGHLIGHTS of his captaincy includes winning the 20/20 WC and 6 consecutive test victories. However these victories were against teams ranked lower while Windies struggled even to draw matches vs higher ranked teams. The ODI results were no better Windies being humiliated by Bangladesh and Pakistan at home. Dinesh RAMDIN is the logical choice to captain WI TEST & ODI teams at this point and in time for the New Zealand series. He has been vice capt of Windies test team for quite sometime and also served as v/c and capt in other formats. Has led T&T in all formats).contd

  • Lakie on November 18, 2013, 3:40 GMT

    As an avid fan of the WI, I am not only disappointed with their overall performance but more importantly,the lack of Pride with which they displayed temperament in their batting.

    Test matches are designed to test ones true skill and aptitude of the game over the course of 5 days. If the Test is completed within 3 days and you are on the losing end, then it's miserable failure. If the another Test occurs and the results are the same, then one can conclude that we are either not prepared or Lack Skills and aptitude for Tests.

    After being beaten in the first test in under four(4) days after batting First, one would think that a greater effort would be made in managing each session along with working the singles off the bowling attack. Since batting is our strength; and has been for over 15 years, each of our specialized batsmen along with the bowlers should put more value to their time at the crease than what has been displayed during most if not all of our test matches.

    Hope

  • on November 18, 2013, 2:22 GMT

    Criticism everywhere of Sammy. Justified? Not in my mind. First find out why Sammy was given that role and very importantly, what was and is the state of W.I. cricket, immediately preceding and during his tenure. Let's go back a bit. Remember the disarray within the WICBC. Again, remember the poisonous atmosphere which existed within the board. And the board and players/players union. All the negative vibes resonated; poor attitudes of senior players, territorial demands for their home players, the under development of cricket in the Caribbean etc. And don't forget, lack of funds. W.I. had to find a way to survive against the turmoil. Someone with leadership qualities, with peoples' skills and can play cricket had to be identified. Sammy, with his public speaking abilities, his fair mindedness and honesty, filled the void. Agreed, performance with bat and ball has been lean. But other aspects of his job are good. When WI find able and keen candidates, Sammy will exit, a success.

  • Little_Aussie_Battler on November 17, 2013, 23:21 GMT

    Saw some of the West Indian batting during this series. A lot of basic errors were committed by the batsmen. Bats need to minimise their risky shot taking for beginners. It looks great when you get away with it, but you look foolish when you get out to silly shots. If I were someone like a Gayle, I would cut back on the pull shots and aerial shots. If he just hit along the ground, the bowlers would struggle to remove him.

    On the bowling front, bowlers need to concentrate on the basics as well. Bowling to good line and length and minimising wayward balls. This is a gift to opposition batsmen on flat tracks. Bowlers need to plan ahead of what they intend to bowl to batsmen.

    West Indies have potential and talent but they lack concentration, discipline and anything that resembles a plan. Sounds simple on the surface, but to instill this in a team that is all over the place is nigh on impossible I feel. You need to do this in junior ranks before they even get to island level.

  • on November 17, 2013, 19:54 GMT

    a major stat that help expand the gap between both teams is that India were almost 2x as likely to get a single off any given ball than West Indies 13% of balls windies faced went for singles vs 24 or so for India. that's a significant difference. not making singles helps build pressure as the bowler gets kicks from racking up dot balls while the batsman feels the need to try and manufacture shots as he feels tied down. it also makes it easier for the bowler to build rhythm & plan his bowling if he is bowling to the same batsman for prolonged periods. along with not rotating the strike when we were batting Indian batsmen who fed a proliferation of bad balls which were duly dispatched 2 score boundaries.

  • everfaithful77 on November 17, 2013, 19:44 GMT

    VERY POOR & EMBARASSING PERFORMANCE by West Indies; ranks among the worst I've seen of the team. MR. DAVE CAMERON replaced Mr. Hunte as PRESIDENT of WICB. What I'd like to know from Mr. Cameron: Did he ran for president just to wear a TITLE or did he intend to make SIGNIFICANT CHANGES and/or ADJUSTMENTS with a view for progress and improvement in West Indies cricket ? If it was not to do the latter then he shouldn't have ran. This is critical because there is need for FUNDAMENTAL changes in WI cricket right now. You don't have to figure them out because the bloggers on this website have correctly identified most of the changes that are needed. For your convenience here are few of the more important: A. Replace current PANEL OF SELECTORS(simply don't appear to have a clue how to select the best team to represent WI); B. Replace current HEAD COACH(the batsmen and bowlers are repeating the same mistakes and are regressing in performance; man-mgt & tactical skills a big concern).contd

  • on November 17, 2013, 18:12 GMT

    whatever Sammy may say he has utterly failed as Captain and as a team man - if the WI had gone down fighting valiantly in either of the tests no one would have blamed them - but the way they played arrogant cricket - including Sammy - they deserved to lose - luck only favours the brave - and every Captain/Coach whenever they tour India speak a lot and Otis Gibson was no exception - Gibson must be eating his words of spoiling sachin's farewell series - WI was dumped and dusted inside three days - they are bring shame to the old WI team - defeat and victory are two faces of the coin but the way WI batted, bowled and fielded - any league team in our country would have been victorious over them - this is not the way they shoudl have played particularly when Sachin was present - it is a shame they did not learnfrom him how to bat or bowl - no use in uttering did not play well - Sammy and Gibson should sit in isolation and contemplate taking a break on moral grounds of letting the team down

  • Mayfield on November 17, 2013, 17:25 GMT

    How can a captain whose skill level is way below those he is leading and does not contribute with the bat or ball lead his charges? How can he inspire a team? How can he inspire the batsmen or the bowlers? Simply put, he cant. Would anyone in their right mind follow someone who cannot demonstrate that he knows what he is talking about? The answer is obvious. Someone in defense of Sammy said that Sobers was not that good of a captain. If Sammy had 1/5 of Sobers many talents, we would not be questioning his place in the team. You cannot go into battle with a private masquerading as a general. The outcome will be obvious. Sammy must either resign or be removed before this NZ tour.

  • aahahaa on November 17, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    i don't blame the players. when you select mediocre players you get mediocre performances. Eng, Aus or SA didn't get to the top by accident or luck. it was down to good selection policy , good domestic structure . WI aren't still able to find a world class and consistent pace bowler (after Walsh and Ambrose) in 15 years !! and only 2 batsmen averaged in the 50s during this time. hard to believe that once a stable for finely groomed fast bowlers hasn't had one for so long now. it is the current crop of players that is the problem with WI cricket , it is the people who are running the game in the region probably.

  • on November 17, 2013, 16:42 GMT

    In sports, Cricket is d only game where d captain get blame for d team bad performance. Cricket is a team game and also an indivual game, until we understand dat we will always blaming d captain when d team lost.

    en leven of dem have t of dem have to perform to d best of their ability to get result

  • Georgetown1 on November 17, 2013, 16:00 GMT

    Concerning the WI, lets start at the top. Kirk and Darren needs to stay they need help so they can be mentally strong and to understand what the situation requires( as batsmen shot selection etc.) Middle- Chanderpaul needs to start sharing his knowledge to the youger batsmen, he will be retiring soon.Shilli needs help on the other bowlers wether pace or spin. I have not mentioned anyone else because they should not be on the team unless they CHANGE dramatically. WI should do as India, Sewhag, Gambhir, Dravid, SRT, VVS, Uvi,Baji,and the Aussie Warner, out so does Gayle even with two thriple hundreds.T20 a must because the bowlers are limited not the same in tests.Kirk Edwards test captain. DHoni once said to ICB carrying the older guys was like giving the other team plus 20 runs without batting, look where they are now.Sammy and Marlon( ODI and T20).Ramadin out all formats including Butts and company.Holder a must, just look at fast bowlers for top sides, fast,tall & fearsome.ChANGE Pls

  • on November 17, 2013, 14:45 GMT

    @ Riddymon - Dhoni is an Awesome captain! The difference is if no one in his team performs HE HIMSELF takes charge and wins games. Dhoni has that capability and Sammy does not! The Captain should contribute at some point or loses team's respect.

  • on November 17, 2013, 14:40 GMT

    Hard luck Sammy. As an Indian and as a cricket supporter, I would advice you not to be dishartened by the 2-0 scoreline. The West Indian team is very capable of getting back to their glory days of the 80s. You have fit and strong fast bowlers and it is just a matter of time before you find a couple of them who can terrify the best batsmen of the world. My gut feeling says, this was a seried that India was inviaribly going to win, irrespective of the opposition. I am sure your team would enjoy the New Zealand series more where you will be provided with more sporting wickets.

  • wirus on November 17, 2013, 14:30 GMT

    Why do WI teams perform worse as a series goes on? TEAM SPIRIT. They usually start with weeks of pep talks and various kinds of preparation. Some just try and put the past disasters behind them. Then comes the reality of the actual test and they lose (for reasons which many have explained here). What happens then? In the same way that WI teams visibly become depressed and turn inward on the field when things aren't going well, in the same way they shrivel up in the dressing room and that disease of surrender and despair spreads through the ranks like the plague. At first Sammy was the leader but as respect for him dwindled (due his poor performances) people stopped taking any notice of him and he in turn (despite his words) came under greater and greater pressure to prove his worth (which was impossible). Result: a defeated team before they take the field manifested by uncertain or poor shot selection, poor line and length, etc. In a team TEAM SPIRIT is everything!!

  • wirus on November 17, 2013, 14:00 GMT

    There is a very great difference between individual performance in a sport and playing as part of a team. Usain Bolt's performance is determined largely by himself. In a team, regardless of how good you are, the team spirit / influence / aura / whatever you call it WILL have an impact, even if not immediately. Many complain about Chanderpaul's apparently selfish batting over the years but when you are surrounded by people whose brains are scrambled and who reek with fear and doubt, the only way not to succumb yourself is to play for yourself and focus on what you have to do. Had Chanders, Sarwan and Lara played in a more positive atmosphere they would have produced even more runs. If you are in any doubt as to the reality or power of this team spirit phenomenon then consider this. Observe the fact that WI teams of the recent past almost always tend to perform best in the first test of a series and then it's all downhill from there. Why? Because...to be con't

  • team_india_no1 on November 17, 2013, 10:53 GMT

    I followed WI batting entirely in the series. I feel Sammy should be retained for now in spite of his all round failures. Gayle and Chanderpaul must be dropped with immediate effect. I did not like their recent approach (mental, authoritative, patriotic, technical, calmness, everything) at all that is expected from senior pros. M Samuels can be retained. Bravo has too much natural talent so you got to live with him. Give Sammy an in-experienced team with good enough talent with no big names and see the difference. Among seniors i do like R Sarwan approach. Best is just good enough to be a third seamer and definitely not a spearhead. Brathwaite is a must have.

  • on November 17, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    I think that its time to go with selectors who know and understand cricket, Whole sale changes are needed this current team cannot compete, they would probable struggle against the likes of Bermuda, Canada. Wi need to rebuild, Wi public deserve a lot better than this..

  • on November 17, 2013, 9:36 GMT

    I have followed the West Indies for over 60 years and I am have never seem them play any worse than these 2 Teats (I think I've said that so many times !). First of all -if the head of the fish stinks ..the whole fish stinks! Otis Gibson is not the person to lead the West Indies out of the wilderness. The team needs a root and branch overhaul. From new selectors who can think out of the box, to a new captain who demands respect and commitment by his play, to players who are really committed to toiling out there in the sun hour after hour. We are no longer the laughing stock of Test cricket--we are worse than that. How about starting with some of the old Clive Lloyd's team as selectors and Jimmy Adams as manager and a SOB as a PT instructor --START FROM GROUND ZERO- develop a 3 year plan--let all those players wish to make the money and enjoy the limelight of T20 go off and do that!! Please just get some young players who will give some honest effort--it aint going to happen is it?

  • anshu.s on November 17, 2013, 8:43 GMT

    I am a fan of Darren Sammy and all his exploits in shorter formats particularly the IPL where his explosive playing style coupled with his infectious enthusiasm makes for good viewing, but having said that he just does not cut it at test level , not solid enough as a batter , not effective enough as a bowler.He always seems to blocking somebody elses place in the team.

    Selection of all three pace bowlers was just not right in hindsight , all three had pace but not blistering pace of 145 plus consistently, no seam and swing or enough accuracy.Why didn't they select Miguel Cummins, i saw him in action for WI A vs India A, he is tall and very quick but more importantly he possess that natural outswing to right handers and his seam position is bolt upright. Narine or Nikita Miller should have been on this tour, dropping Peramaul was also harsh, he might not be the biggest turner of the ball but he is very accurate and does a good containing job.

  • wirus on November 17, 2013, 7:05 GMT

    Let's think and not just react. Charles is not a test batsman. He's hardly an ODI batsman although we may get away with him in that format. Ramdin is finished. Don't be fooled by his half century. When needed he fails again and again. It's time to move on. They tried Baugh and went back to Ramdin. We need a batsman who can wicketkeep if Walton fails badly in NZ. Look at Matt Prior and just about every other wicketkeeper / batsman in the world and then compare them to Ramdin, Baugh, etc. Again it is time to move on boldly. In tests it is pointless trying to hide Gayle further down the order. No other major test playing country would do that with someone who has failed as much as he and who seems to be a disruptive / depressing influence in the team. T20 and maybe ODI only for him. Needless to say Sammy is finished as is Best. This is an opportunity to be BOLD. Yes I said BOLD. Time to do in reality what we all know needed to be done some time ago. I'll address the mental side next...

  • Riddymon on November 17, 2013, 6:44 GMT

    The fact of the matter is that it's not Sammy's fault for the team's performance. This is nothing new. They've been playing like this since Gayle and Lara was in charge. You know why someone like MS Dhoni seems like an awesome captain? Because on any given day at least 2 or 3 of his batsman will perform with the bat and and/or a few of his bowlers will perform with the ball. Maybe he's encouraging the players or bringing in the right players to the job at the right time but they still have to do the job. This is what we lack and will always suffer because of it..no matter who is in charge. What i've basically seen on here is "replace sammy with a batsman or a bowler"...but how does that change how the players are performing on an individual level. Let's remedy THAT first....

  • Riddymon on November 17, 2013, 6:37 GMT

    You all can call for Darren Sammy's head all you want. I'm a huge fan of his and understand his deficiencies but as a follower of West Indies cricket I know that changing him will not make a difference. He is just a small part of a much bigger problem. in this test match...outside of shillingford, no other bowler was affective. Your two strike bowlers Rampaul (known for taking early wickets) and roach aren't playing. Sammy has always been a containment bowler, not a wicket taker. Your top order is also failing miserably AS ALWAYS and all of the pressure is put on the middle/lower order to make runs. That's a recipe for disaster. On top of that..India is a tough side to beat in India. In the first test match, we basically had india's first innings in the bag...I go to sleep at India on 85/6 and wake up and they're have 350-400+ on the board. How can or bowlers allow this to happen. too much inexperience..no application. We'll always lose if we don't change any of this...

  • on November 17, 2013, 6:18 GMT

    honest he may sound but i must say apart from his batting, bowling, his captaincy was abysmal. he dint know how to use his limited resources. Wi had the golden oppurtunity to get etched in the history given sachin was retiring and boy they did get etched, but on losing side in less than 3 days on trot. Dont know what the team management is planning but some of the players on park seem to be disenchanted in the longer version. There were perfect batting conditions for both the teams and indian attack was relatively inexperienced. its understandable if they lost wickets to spinners given their hard hands, WI batsmen handing 9 wickets to shami was surprising. but credit to shami bcos he bowled his herat out to make life difficult. i think he would have troubled even the best of batsman. But WI TEST CRICKET is a reason to worry for every cricket fan.

  • aclarity on November 17, 2013, 5:43 GMT

    The WI selectors have been inept and will continue on the same path because they are hopeless. The will not drop Gayle, Sammy, Best or Daren Bravo. I do not see Sewag or Gambir on the Indian team. It's time to look ahead - name Powell or Edwards as the captain. It is time for Carter, Cottrell, Brathwaite, Cummins etc. Will we get that? The ansere is No! Look at the choices of the selectors: Devon Thomas, Permal, Deonarine (has not made a regional 100 in the last 3 years), Bonner etc. Players without talen or temperament. They never recognized Narine or Lewis and Bravo as captain. He can only make a T20 squad. Fire them Dave or add 4 more selectors!

  • Srini_Indian on November 17, 2013, 5:29 GMT

    Very disappointing from WI. Its one thing for being honest, the other thing is learning from the mistakes. With all said and done, this WI team doesn't have enough skills and temperament to survive 5 days of test cricket against top nations. Some of the shot selections are just atrocious. Granted, everybody struggles against the quality spin and reverse swing which WI encountered this series but the horrible thing is no application to survive. Going for a big booming off drive against a in-swinging delivery, tentative forward push outside the off stump with hard hands and open face against a ball turning away, seriously? Apart from Chanders, nobody has a solid defense. The less said about their captain better.

  • simonviller on November 17, 2013, 5:28 GMT

    Yes Sammy !All of you have been taught a lesson ,but you of all people seem incapable of learning to bat at this level . Secondly , any other team would have moved Chris Gayle down the order a long time ago replacing him with someone else . As for winning the t20 world cup , WI were quite fortunate to pull that one off . It took an extraordinary effort from Samuels to pull through against Malinger and a superb bit of fielding from a much maligned Dwayne Smith , on the final play of the New Zealand match to win the game . I know a win is a win ,but that's how I feel about the situation . No one team could expect to win like that very often ,but rather to win by god given talent and consistent performance ,which is so lacking within WI camp .

  • aclarity on November 17, 2013, 4:46 GMT

    Dave sits and hopes. In true WI style no one will resign after this predictable horror. Not Dave, certainly not Gibson and emphatically not Butts and the selectors! Oh no, it's Sammy. Sammy did not select himself but he will be the fall guy. How can a selection panel choose so poorly, reinforces its poor choices and still persist? Bravo as captain, Permal ahead of Miller, Gabriel when you had an opportunity to select Narine or Miller etc. Poor Dave, Gibson and Butts have finished your grave, they are writing the epithet "Here lies Dave, he sat and hoped."

  • mukesh_LOVE.cricket on November 17, 2013, 3:32 GMT

    More than any mental weakness i would say this WI team simply doesn't have the required skill and temperament for test cricket , even their so called superstar gayle is just a T20 wonder ,WI batting is completely clueless against quality swing and spin (remember how starc ripped apart this batting in perth ?? ) , i thought that brathwite guy showed some promise why don't they select him ? , but if kemar roach and fidel edwards are fit they do have a bowling attack that can become world class

  • on November 17, 2013, 1:01 GMT

    I just can't let WI just die. This relationship is worst than a bad woman

  • on November 17, 2013, 0:57 GMT

    Although this was an embarrassing performance by the West Indies, i am sure it might turn out to be a blessing in disguise. In the last Indian tour of England the Indians as the no.1 Test team were also beaten and humiliated. The Indian cricket authority to their credit decided to change things around and wisely had invested in their youths. I believe the West Indies need to adopt similar approach.

  • on November 17, 2013, 0:56 GMT

    What happened to old stalwart Sarwan, new hope of an opener with excellent Test match temperment like Braithwiate, an escellent No 3 batsman Kieth Edwards who can switchback & forth between defense & attack without undue risk, the spinner Sunil Narine who understands the various Indian pitches like the back of his palm, where is the one pacer who manged to make even Sachin duck once in a while(and get his wicket) and more defective in India...

    Yes; INjury to Roach was a big blow. But all the others mentioned above were they all injured.

    And, there were a few in the WI (A) team who adapted to Indian conditions well. What happened to them?

    Who is the batting coach? You have none? There is no main coach who command more respect from from the players?

    Is there no one who can tell guys like Gayle, Bravo et all, that it was test cricket; and not a circus in clolour?

    Is there no one to guide a super talent like Powel, how to avoid impetuasity.

    Qustions and more questions!

  • on November 17, 2013, 0:04 GMT

    How about if Wi drop the dead weight ? i.e. Sammy for one should be replaced both as captain and all rounder. Wi should go back to the drawing board and start afresh. Chanderpaul has played 150 tests and yet shows he is unable ( or unwilling) to protect the tail enders ? Rohit has two tests and yet he is effective in doing the same by adding 80 for the last wicket with Shami. This begs the question : is Shiv playing for the team or himself ???

  • on November 16, 2013, 22:52 GMT

    My test 15 man squad. 1) Rampaul 2) Roach 3) shillingford 4)bishoo 5)narine 6)Samules 7)chanderpaul 8)BRENDON NASH 9) Dinesh Ramdin 10)Darren Bravo 11) jerome taylor 12) Assid Fuddain 13) kirk Edwards 14) Gayle 15) Jhonson Charles.

    NOW MY 11- 1) Jhonson charles, 2)kirk Edwards 3)Marlon samules 4) Assid Fuddain 5) chanderpaul 6) chris gayle 70 ramdin 8) narine 9) shillingford 10) roach 11) rampaul.

    Reason for certain players. charles worth a try after his ODI performance, fuddain has a good concentration like shiv and so is kirk also, chris Gayle at six(6) because of his lack of form but because of his ability 2 score fast he can slam a quick 50+ if the tail is being exposed, narine because he has the tricks and with shillingford ability we might only need 2 bowlers 2 bowl dw the opposition.

    ANY DISAGREEMENT OR SUGGESTIONS LET ME KNOW

  • lazytrini on November 16, 2013, 21:39 GMT

    Yes Sammy, you were taught a lesson, but did you actually learn anything?

  • S.Jagernath on November 16, 2013, 21:32 GMT

    It's tough for West Indies to actually know if their players are capable at the highest level when they mainly play weaker nations far too regularly.Their statistics are inflated,so how can they actually know who are their most competent players.

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 16, 2013, 21:25 GMT

    Darren Sammy has to GO. No ifs or buts. He's unfit to be a player in test cricket let alone the captain. He brings NOTHING to the table being classified as an all-rounder. It also seems some of the senior players don't respect him enough within the team. This is where the WICB should step in and decide what's best for Caribbean cricket. Cause I know about the pride, the history and passion often associated with West Indian cricket; these bunch of jokers DO NOT embody that spirit. Sad as it may seem, WI are finished as a test team for the foreseeable future unless the WICB decide to clean up the house. And it all begins with relieving Sammy off as the captain.

  • ARJa on November 16, 2013, 19:29 GMT

    If Sammy believes they have been taught a lesson in how to play test cricket, he does not know what happened in West Indies cricket over the past 15 years. This was not a lesson. It was a reminder of a lesson they were not taught, but never learned. They are not good enough to beat top teams in test cricket. They frequently let go of the advantage and create situations where they can lose. Any international team that loses two consecutive tests by an innings and in 3 days in a respect to the game. The sad thing is, windies would just wonder off and do the same thing. Nothing will change. The spent the last 15 years in the dumps. Remember it was 1998 when they lost 5-0 to RSA. They have never looked back and have been monumental in disspointing their fans. A T20 trophy, rapping and gang nam style dances will not bring back the legecy this team is working so efficiently to destroy. 50 years down the line, no one will remember the great west indian teams because the enemy is inside.

  • on November 16, 2013, 19:28 GMT

    It is easy to panic when we get a whipping, but if there are not wholesale changes to the team, then its over. Need to look at a new keeper - maybe the young Bajan...Kirk Edwards..Rampaul, a fit Roach...Braithwaite...Fudadin. Yes, maybe you will lose a little, but there is a chance these young ones might learn.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 16, 2013, 19:20 GMT

    @bobmartin, if there is a bigger lie than what you posted, then I haven't heard that. Go do better things in life than coming to post your lies over here.

  • creekeetman on November 16, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    so many calls for sarwan, and when he was recalled recently he failed miserably. time for the recycling of these useless players to end. it has never worked, so why then do the selectors persist with the same worthless plan that always fails?? time for younger promising players to be given a chance, no more than nikki miller. and the proven failures like best, ramdin, gayle and sammy just to name a few must be discarded permanently. otherwise wi can be proud of defeating the likes of b'desh etc, while made to look like fools when they face top class opposition.

  • creekeetman on November 16, 2013, 18:51 GMT

    Sammy said he didn't lead from the front... when has he ever led from the front???

  • Chan1966 on November 16, 2013, 18:48 GMT

    This team never learn. Since 1995 they are learning and in the next 25 years also they will be learning while losing all the matches. It's a shame..... I think Sammy should be replaced by an under 19 player because anyone can bat or bowl better than him. They are a bunch of lambs....Why did Windies go to India? They should not have gone in the first place. Apart from Chanders no one in the team is of international class. Drop Gayle, Powell, Samuels, Denoraine, Ramdin , Sammy and the rest of the members. Best can retain the place as a batsman, may be he can open with Charles in the future.I can't think of a 11 players in the Carribean. What happened to that Australian born batsman. Pls bring back him. Chanders should go at No 3 and Bravo at 4 and the senior Bravo should bat at 6. The fast bowlers are Rampaul, Roach and Jason Holder. Tell Charles to keep wickets, may be Best can do the job because he can score at least 10 runs. On the other hand India is not a good side as they can't win

  • on November 16, 2013, 18:38 GMT

    sammy is one of the problem , he is not test material and is out of sync against good test players,if the selectors do not remove him from the tour of NZ they should be replaced. ramdin should be captain in the tests and sarwan vice captain, the WICB tried to fit square peg in round holes and it can't fit.it's time to make sensible change.

  • on November 16, 2013, 18:31 GMT

    India should schedule a series with Bangladesh. We will give a better fight than the Islanders did.

  • on November 16, 2013, 18:22 GMT

    WI cricket top to bottom is in serious denial if they think that this out come wasn't a full gone conclusion. i predicted this before they picked the team. i'm dumbfounded for almost two decade of mediocre cricket how we the WI fan still put up with the lack of dedication no discipline approach to test cricket in the west indies. where are the players (legend) of the past and why aren't they with this current crop of players. People! you can have all the talent in the world playing cricket but you also need a brain. think outside the box. You know what you are doing wrong! Selectors,Coaches and Players alike. i've never seen a team structure go thur so much turmoil this long. WI take a page from India. cricket is all we have that bonds the region together so lets not continued recycling the same non productive players in test matches. know you strenghts and weaknesses and go make us proud to be west indians supporters.

  • Dr_Zeus on November 16, 2013, 18:07 GMT

    Why didn't they include Narine in the team alongside shillingford is one thing I don't understand...the two are the best bowlers in the Caribbean at the moment, plus historically, the Indian pitches favour sipinners, plus Narine has loads of experience bowling on Indian pitches...I just don't understand the logic...smh....disappointed once again

  • on November 16, 2013, 18:04 GMT

    KNOCKING STRAIGHT DRIVES....CRAFTY LEG-GLANCEs...SWEET PADDLE SWEEP...COVER DRIVES....ETC.....where im gonna see those in my life ever live...when i'll feel tat cricket is just more than a sport.... . though my age is jst around 22+ quite younger than ur career....but it seems i know u frm ages ... the cricket i play,enjoy,cherish is all jst becoz of u sir... Iim jst a cricket lover who loves to play cricket BUT in early days my papa used to train me in my batting....& he would only teach me those shots which is trademarked by u...so frankly speaking the little bit of thing which i know about cricket is all because of u.....not feeling to let u go.. . . it is said tat GODS are IMMORTAL.....OH MY GOD OF CRICKET....DEN HOW CAN U LEAVE US.....still cant believe....

    ARE YAAR KOI TIME MACHINE INVENT KYUN NAI KARTA.....

    **************** SACHINNNNN ------- SACHINNNNN ***********

  • SnowSnake on November 16, 2013, 17:57 GMT

    More than innings defeat, WI lost both tests in 3 days or less. WI need to improve substantially.

  • crick_sucks on November 16, 2013, 17:55 GMT

    That's right Sammy. You guys just didn't turn up. You were too caught up in the SRTmania. Respect for opposition is one thing but forgetting the context of the game is a sin. You were not proffesional in your approach.

  • Mayfield on November 16, 2013, 17:52 GMT

    @cricuscrazy How can Gayle be moved down the order? He does not have the proper foot movement to negotiate spin.

  • cricuscrazy on November 16, 2013, 17:23 GMT

    Braithwaite,Fudadin have shown patience for test cricket in the past.I think they should be given another look in.Gayle should be pushed down the order.Worth giving Johnson Charles also another chance.As far as bowlers go,Beaton longside Ravi Rampaul,Roach,Johnson and Holder should be the future.Pooran should be considered in the middle order.

  • MyNameIsSravan on November 16, 2013, 17:22 GMT

    I am surprised how author did not mention about what Sammy said of Rohit which is the essence of this article. Sammy at the presentation "our batsmen should take a leaf out of Rohit's book, the way he batted with the No.11. We have to believe in ourselves.". This is what WI really needs.

  • NCassie on November 16, 2013, 17:16 GMT

    Thank you Sachin....you will always be remembered as one of the best in the game. So why would people want to drop Ramdin now, he is scoring runs can't do anything wrong behind the stumps...so who's next or who is the next best glove man in the entire West Indies.. Come on give the guy a break...WI needs a group of guys that are consistent with the bat and a captain that can really lead from the front and not just be there to make the 11. If Sammy is not TEST player please for goodness sake don't select him!

  • Mayfield on November 16, 2013, 17:12 GMT

    The WI cricket has been and still is in shambles. The mere fact that they have Sammy as the captain indicates this. They have sunk so low that players who would not have been selected in past teams, get selected and even elevated to captaincy. Unless a drastic change is implemented immediately, and I mean dropping several of these players befor the NZ series, this ineptness will continue. Change is necessary for growth, you cannot grow without change. Start with getting rid of the joke captain Sammy, Gayle, Ramdin and Best. Chanderpaul is 39 and someone must replace him. Samuels must step up and score big runs, but he must change his mental approach to the game. He oozes class, but his production does not match. There are enough young players that can be groomed as a unit and given time can be competitive and begin to win. Everyone involved (players, coach, WICB) must start to take WI cricket seriously. WI have become the joke of the cricketing world, a lot of ppl are to blame.

  • on November 16, 2013, 17:01 GMT

    bravo cannot hold a candle to sarwan..he help down that number 3 position for years and bravo is not in his class

  • on November 16, 2013, 16:56 GMT

    Gail Sammy bravo Samuel need to be rest for a few years...bring back sarwan...Fudadin..rampaul

  • sachin_vvsfan on November 16, 2013, 16:50 GMT

    I was hoping for some fight back from Gayle and Chanders so that i could see Sachin bat one more time in second innings. What a let down. Perhaps WI should select players who can give 100% to the team rather than talented but careless players like Gayle.

  • SL-USA-Lions on November 16, 2013, 16:41 GMT

    Congrats to India... They deserve to win this game and the series 2-0...

    Thank you Sachin... A true Legend... You deserve this send off with a win...

    After all that being said...

    I'm deeply saddened by the state of WI Cricket... I'm not a West Indian... But I'm a true fan of what they USED TO BE.

    I simply can't take it anymore... A loosing record of ALMOST 20 YEARS now... Sure they won a ICC and T20 World Cup... But the way they have lost most of their matches since 1995 have taken away that joy too...

    Glimmer of Hope here and there with no REAL SOLUTION for all the problems of WI Cricket...

    HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS PAIN DO I HAVE TO TAKE?

    They can't even play a full 5 day test match. Gets blown away in 3 days.

    I hope India puts them out of this misery today so I can get over this quickly.

    But honestly I'M HURTING...

    It's O.K. to loose... ATLEAST GIVE A GOOD FIGHT!!!

    I'm not even going to talk about the Players... Because it's POINTLESS.

    "WHERE HAVE ALL THE LEGENDS GONE?!!"

  • Planetindia on November 16, 2013, 16:37 GMT

    WI teams need change. I don't mind if they drop Chander Sammy and Ramdin. They need to bring fresh face with the talent and even if they loose series like this, Young player will get better and better as time goes by.

  • true_point on November 16, 2013, 16:22 GMT

    Indian domestic cricket probably should emulate English county cricket. That will encourage players from weaker teams can come and play in India. The pitches can be a little bit more even handed rather than the current docile ones. The lower ranking teams can come up the ladder so that the bar is raised and the difference in standard is shortened. Our players can also get some variety and exposure. At the same token, we can get players from Australia, England and SA also to participate in our local Ranji teams. That will bring an all round improvement of the game across all cricket playing countries. There can be a revival of interest in the traditional formats of the game.

  • CodandChips on November 16, 2013, 16:14 GMT

    I don't know what WI were expecting when they arrived in India. They are the best country in the game and almost always enjoy their home advantage well. Now for India to win the ODIs and T20Is.

    WI should forget about Sammy. He's a bits and pieces player at best. They should forget about Gayle. Replace Dwayne Bravo and Kieron Pollard from the ODI team with the test batsmen to give them more experience. Forget about Tino Best and replace him with Holder (unless Roach is fit).

  • on November 16, 2013, 16:07 GMT

    We can say as much as we can but you cant ask a shoemaker to build a house. If you dont pick the right combination of players for the conditions how can you compete?

  • bbpp on November 16, 2013, 16:06 GMT

    Why are people blaming Sammy? He didn't select himself and has been playing his normal cricket for the past 3-4 years and has been giving his best. Most observers from all over the world recognize that he is not a Test quality player yet he is selected time after time after time by the WICB selectors.

    You don't blame a Toyota Corolla because it can't pull a 40ft container. It would be foolish to force it do something it wasn't built to do. Sammy will earn his keep playing 20/20 the world over since that's his skill set....he is an excellent fielder, containing bowler and can smash any bowler on his day. He is just not a 5 day player.

  • throughthelense on November 16, 2013, 16:05 GMT

    Sammy needs to be dropped and so do Gayle and Ramdin. Period. Were the selectors paid by someone to select a team like this? Those WI cricketer who are somehow connected to IPL have hardly ever performed against India. Please check stats. Bring in the Charles', Simmons' and Edwards'. Two test match 5 days and a session. What a pathetic team.

  • on November 16, 2013, 16:05 GMT

    Really Sammy you deserve the criticisms being hurled at you? Did you really say that? I remember you saying after the first test defeat that you thrive on criticism. Do you really understand the pain being felt by the Caribbean community where ever the reside? Sammy it is real. Is the pinnacle of your career is to have won three tests in a row? Who were your opponents? WOW!!11 well very soon you will be facing one of those we will see. Hope you have your usual canned responses. Conscience should make you do the right thing for the Caribbean people.Notice I haven't mentioned the useless coach.He is not earning his keep but no one is listening. We the people are so numb to suffering we may not be feeling the pain.

  • nenez on November 16, 2013, 16:04 GMT

    I will say the same things as I have said before and will keep on repeating them until things change AND I DO NOT CARE IF ANYONE CALLS IT BORING! We have a captain that cannot bat, bowl or captain, batsmen like Gayle, Samuels Powell and Bravo who think that a 30 means that you are world class!, bowlers like Best who has played 20 odd Tests and still does not have a clue about bowling line and length and a Coach who walks around with stupid agendas and cannot give WIndian fans any insight at all into the players who he is in charge of. Nothing is going to change because the selectors want a PUPPET INSTEAD OF A CAPTAIN and Sammy fits that bill. Until all what I have said changes WIndian fans will have to endure humiliating defeats.

  • on November 16, 2013, 15:58 GMT

    WI need to get rid of Sammy and Best Sammy is nothing more than a cheer leader he is taking up the spot of a younger talented player. He cannot bowl or bat so what justification he has in the team. I think also the coach has to go so is the selectors. We need a complete overall of the board.Hope Mr Cameron is looking at what mess he has on his hands,

  • wirus on November 16, 2013, 15:53 GMT

    So what's left and what now? In tests goodbye to Gayle, Ramdin, Sammy and Best. Also bye for now to Darren Bravo until he can prove he is ready. Looking like Lara is no longer enough. It was fascinating for a while but that has grown old now. So get him to play overseas (England, South Africa, anywhere really) and maybe one on one intensive help from an actual batsman like Haynes or Richardson. Walton needs to be given a fair chance to see if he might be able to do the wicketkeeper/batsman job or else take the plunge and give the gloves to a batsman who can wicketkeep (remember how Dujon started). The least of the problems is captaincy. Many years ago South Africa shocked the world by appointing a young inexperienced captain called Smith and what an inspired choice that was. They took the plunge and it's time WI does the same. Try Edwards, Powell (if his brain can get unscrambled) or get on your knees and beg Sarwan to take the job again. Yet another fresh start is vital.

  • wirus on November 16, 2013, 15:39 GMT

    Cont... Not only fresh batsmen but also the best bowling combination has to be employed. Apart from our two most intelligent quicks - Roach and Rampaul, all the others are young and leaning the hard way. Best is finished. Any one of them would do alongside the main two or one if the pitch so required. Shillingford has proven that he is world class. He needs Nikita Millar alongside him. Depending on the pitch and the availability and form of Roach and Rampaul, those 2 quicks plus Shillingford and Millar is the best we have. Or on a very fast pitch the 2 main quicks plus one of the young quicks plus Shillingford would do. Folk choosing the best team possible is not rocket science, so why does WI keep getting it wrong? They cast aside people like Bishoo and keep people like Sammy, Gayle and Ramdin. Why? With no explanation incredible choices are made, then heavy defeat follows, then rubbish is said like "We've been taught a lesson." That has to be the stupidest statement of the year..cont

  • wirus on November 16, 2013, 15:27 GMT

    It is no surprise at all that what so many have been predicting has come to pass. Some kidded themselves that beating three struggling, low ranked teams meant that WI had turned that much desired "corner" but anyone with any cricket sense could see that all the problems of the past were still there: thin and inadequate batting, novice bowling and embarrassing captaincy. Yet they went to India and talked themselves up as though they could seriously challenge this team. Result: as predicted - a humiliating whipping. Even the Indians felt sorry for them. Indeed it spoiled the occasion for the fans. Now NZ looms and with it even more humiliation. Now Sarwan, Brathwaite, Edwards, Fudadin, Carter, even Simmons must be considered to replace most of those currently there as batsmen. WI only two intelligent quicks - Roach and Rampaul must be picked if fit or at least one of them if the other is injured to be a paired with one of any of the young up and coming ones. Goodbye to Best...(con't)

  • on November 16, 2013, 15:25 GMT

    After Deonarine concluded a ATeam series in India hours before the first Test the Selectors refused to select Deonarine for the first test and that was madness. Playing him in the Second Test only broke his confidence. This seems like Rocket Sceince for WI.

  • SamRoy on November 16, 2013, 15:09 GMT

    And India have good batsman. But that doesn't mean WI can't produce decent batsman. The batman who played except Chanderpaul and Samuels, nobody else will get a chance in India C team (Seniors, A, B,C). Majority of young Indian batsman who get a chance to play for India averages 60+ in first class cricket. Who was the last WI batsman to average 50+ in first class cricket? Chanderpaul. Most of these guys average 35 in first class. How on earth are they going to win international test matches by averaging that against good teams? They give excuse in WI that they have turning wickets and they can't score runs and yet they come to India and on turning wickets they score even less. WI are a very good limited overs side but they are a poor test team. Fast bowlers don't know how to swing the ball and batsman don't know how to bat for long periods. And last but not the least ---- why did they pick Permaul ahead of Miller, by far the best left arm spinner in the Caribbean?????

  • JoshFromJamRock on November 16, 2013, 14:59 GMT

    Tests: 1-Edwards(c) 2-Powell 3-Samuels 4-Chanderpaul 5-Dm Bravo 6-Deonarine 7-Ramdin(wk) 8-Miller 9-Rampaul 10- Roach 11-Shilingford.... Reserves: Braithwaite, Barath, Narine and Cummings.

    ODIs: 1-Smith 2-Simmons(wk) 3-Dm Bravo 4-Gayle 5-Samuels 6-Dj Bravo 7-Sammy(c) 8-Narine 9-Holder 10-Roach 11-Badree.... Reserves: Russell, Pollard, Rampaul and Charles

    T20Is: 1-Gayle 2-Simmons(wk) 3-Smith 4-Dj Bravo 5-Pollard 6-Russell 7-Sammy(c) 8-Narine 9-Rampaul 10-Santokie 11-Badree... Reserves: Fletcher, Nurse, Cotterell and Roach

    Is it really that hard for WI to have 3 different competitive teams with over 25 contracted players?

    There is no lack of talent, but a lack of common sense in West Indies Cricket.

  • Rugsy on November 16, 2013, 14:58 GMT

    You cannot come to India with just one spinner of some class. The WI selectors need to be caned. Tendulkar's farewell or not, the fact remains that WI were simply not good enough. It is good that Sammy acknowledges the faults, but to say 'we are better than that' is ridiculous. Dont tour India unless you are prepared. Even the batting was pathetic, most of the batsmen has no clue how to combat either reverse swing or spin. To lose both Tests in under 3 days is terribly embarrassing for a team that once strode the cricketing field like a colossus.

  • SamRoy on November 16, 2013, 14:57 GMT

    Now let me start with some hard words. Why was Kirk Edwards not playing? He for me is one who has character. Chanderpaul is almost 40 so just like Sachin must be past his prime. Darren Bravo will never be a great batsman. Nobody becomes great by just imitating a great batsman. All his centuries have either come against bad attacks or on very flat surfaces. He doesn't possess good enough footwork against either swing or spin. Just because he plays some shots like Lara doesn't mean he is as good as Lara. I like Samuels but he too has a mental block in trying to dominate way to much, way too often. Bad technique against the seaming ball exposed. Nevertheless he is the best batsman in the team which speaks for its health. And Gayle? Do I need to talk about him? Not interested in test cricket. In WI they say they have so much talent. What talent? To bowl fast yet can't a swing a cricket ball. If you can't move a cricket ball good batsman will spank you. My rant is contd.....

  • samincolumbia on November 16, 2013, 14:57 GMT

    @bobmartin - Don't you have a life than coming here to post your lies? India is in the top 3 in the ICC rankings in all the 3 formats. That proves India is the most consistent of all the teams. Something England can only dream of!

  • on November 16, 2013, 14:52 GMT

    Where is West Indies BEST spin batsman, Ramnaresh Sarwan? India has read and predicted the game plan of the West Indies selectors by preparing a spinning wicket turf to succumb the West Indies batsmen. Surprise! Cricket is a game of tactic and experiences, NOT favoritism.

  • on November 16, 2013, 14:34 GMT

    West Indian team's experience (coming to India after six Test wins in a row) should teach Indian team and we Indian fans a lesson. A six test success sequence of India will not guarantee success in S.A, when we tour them next month. The only thing I am reasonably sure is that our boys will fight. This is a different bunch. Results? We have to wait and see. But, the SA tour will separate the boys from men.

  • on November 16, 2013, 14:18 GMT

    The combination of Lilly and Thompson was lethal in the 70's but Sammy's West Indies team has made Kumar and Shami combination appeared to be far more destructive. The performance of the Indian 4 bowlers must be hailed as another record breaker against West Indies team. Never have 4 men been so destructive in a series, although we as West Indian have a track record of succumbing to Indian medium pacers in the past. Remember the 1983 World Cup in England! Often times we play into the opposition's hands. why wasn't Permaul played in this test knowing that the track was going to be a spinning one? Look at the effect Ojha had on the game! Our selectors are famous for closing the stable after the horse has bolted. The question now is whether or not the current batters who were unable to negotiate the swinging ball from Shami and Kumar, who hasn't a clue as to how to negotiate the ball pitched on middle and off moving away to the slips, would be taken to the greens of New Zealand.

  • on November 16, 2013, 13:51 GMT

    Terrible performances from West Indies, a total embarrassment.

  • on November 16, 2013, 13:48 GMT

    Sammy im still supporting you but its time to reassess yourself after the New Zealand tour. If you fail there too than its time you retire from tests. As a fan i know that you are not good enough to make the team...yes i know it and certainly YOU must know it too...but i have still supported you. However should u fail in NZ u must retire.

  • 2.14istherunrate on November 16, 2013, 13:43 GMT

    The one crumb of comfort West Indies can take from this is that India beat Australia 4-0 in the spring. Otherwise they wasted many people's hopes of better times though why Narine or Bishoo were not there to offer support to S'ford I do not understand. This deserves to be Sammy's swansong as captain and as player.What use is a medium pacer who tries to slog everything?

  • bobmartin on November 16, 2013, 13:41 GMT

    I don't know why Sammy is so surprised.. Is he so naive that he didn't realise that the only reason the tour was organised was so that Tundulkar would get to play his last test on home ground versus a weak team so that he could retire on a winning note with maybe a century to boot. It's was pure theatre.. that's all it was and was never going to be anything else...You were sacrificial lambs... nothing more.

  • PACERONE on November 16, 2013, 13:38 GMT

    W.I seem to persist with players who never learn from their mistakes.Changes have to be made sometimes so that these players can go and rectify their errors.Batsmen getting caught by the only man in the deep shows that their concentration and shot selection is very poor.No batting coach is with this team and it does not appear as if they have a bowling coach either.Changes have to be made...the selecting of players who have proven that they are not improving is a waste of time.Here is what I suggest.For test matches the players i would select are Brathwaite Powell Edwards,Gayle Samuel Chanderpaul,Carter Ramdin(Capt) Johnson Cummins Brathwaite shillingford Miller Roach and Rampaul.Gayle bats at #4.Give Bravo a break he has not shown the application needed to bat at #3.Spends a lot of time blocking then hangs his bat out at balls he should leave alone.Johnathan Carter can bowl his seamers as he has shown that he is capable of getting wickets.The bowlers have to be used wisely.

  • Puffin on November 16, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    WI need to get their batsmen sorted out fast, including potential successors to Chanderpaul and Gayle who won't be around forever. The top 3 teams are very tough to compete with, let alone beat on home turf, due to their skill, commitment and backroom support. You have to wonder if it is in the WI team to emulate these qualities when it counts.

  • on November 16, 2013, 13:21 GMT

    Sammy played a ridiculous slog in the first test and his response was 'tomorrow is another day'. Then he played a more ridiculous shot in the second test and now says 'we are better than that'. Really!

  • bajanborn on November 16, 2013, 13:10 GMT

    sammy and his excuses are making no sense .to last six days altogether in two test matches show there is more happening than meets the eye .the problem seems to me that there is nobody in the camp to inspire the team .apparently, the coach might be qualified but he cannot apply his knowledge and i think he should be a deputy coach instead of being the head coach.the selectors ,manager , coach and the captain must GO .the captain is a poor choice and in fact there is no other test team that he can get in .wake up WI board before all invitations to tour ceases .with immediate effect ,sammy ,ramdin and best must go

  • ilyas on November 16, 2013, 13:10 GMT

    Inept captain, inept selectors, inept coach, inept batting (bar shiv),inept fielding and inept bowling (bar shilly)! At least WI are consistent! I really liked Sammy but it's clear his time has come and gone. He adds nothing to the team and is keeping one of the young speedsters out. Things will not get any better in the ODI's. Bravo is also an inept captain, a batsman who scores a nice 20 and someone who thinks he is a death bowler - he is deathly but to Windies chances of winning. One good thing is that pollard is not playing to score his customary duck but there is plenty of other dead wood in the squad. One final thing wirus's comments are spot on and so incisive that he has my vote as the next WI coach but as he talks sense he has no chance!!!!!!

  • on November 16, 2013, 12:41 GMT

    Speeches, post mortems, criticisms, nothing can help the West Indies cricket team for the way they manage and select their team to represent the Caribbean.

    West Indies through the last few years continuously are trying to rebuild and they do found some success but the fact is you do not change an entire team at this level to represent the region.

    In all fairness and regardless of what the differences be, between the team management, the coach and these players such as Dwayne Bravo and Sarwan, West Indies need to reinforce the nucleus of this team.

    Chanderpaul will be leaving probably less than two years time and Gayle is slowly fading. There is an army of fast bowlers waiting in the barracks. What WI need to do is to set the bar higher for the fast bowlers so when they are selected, a pair of fast bowlers genuinely will perform to expectations.

    It is time to bring back Dwayne Bravo and Ramnaresh Sarwan into the test squad risking whatever it takes. West Indies need these two

  • wirus on November 16, 2013, 12:40 GMT

    If it were the captain of any other test playing side the only announcement at the press conference that he would be making would be to announce his resignation with immediate effect. But not so with Mr Sammy. Nor will the WI selectors act to remove him. Talk of disappointment and learning lessons and being beaten mentally and not turning up etc. have been trotted out again and then all will revert back to normal. Essentially this same team will go to NZ and it WILL be led by Sammy. They will lose. It seems that a deal of some sort has been done between Sammy and the WICBC which guarantees his place come what may over an undisclosed period of time. The saddest part is that the fans have no say in any of this as the WICBC (unlike any Caribbean government or business or any other organisation) is a law unto itself and can do what it wants when it wants and are answerable to NO ONE. To save time they should just record this latest press conference and replay it at the end of the NZ series

  • Magantiravi on November 16, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    Hi Sammy. Accepting mistake is a great thing which you have done it. We (Indian) understand your feelings and also aware the failure of your top batsmen including yourself (surprised on Gayle who has played extraordinary games in IPL in India, but recently not playing good cricket for his own country). At the same the fortunate in Indian cricket is the next generation has arises in right time when the great Sachin is leaving the services. All the best for ODI's and also for the successful NZ series.

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  • Magantiravi on November 16, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    Hi Sammy. Accepting mistake is a great thing which you have done it. We (Indian) understand your feelings and also aware the failure of your top batsmen including yourself (surprised on Gayle who has played extraordinary games in IPL in India, but recently not playing good cricket for his own country). At the same the fortunate in Indian cricket is the next generation has arises in right time when the great Sachin is leaving the services. All the best for ODI's and also for the successful NZ series.

  • wirus on November 16, 2013, 12:40 GMT

    If it were the captain of any other test playing side the only announcement at the press conference that he would be making would be to announce his resignation with immediate effect. But not so with Mr Sammy. Nor will the WI selectors act to remove him. Talk of disappointment and learning lessons and being beaten mentally and not turning up etc. have been trotted out again and then all will revert back to normal. Essentially this same team will go to NZ and it WILL be led by Sammy. They will lose. It seems that a deal of some sort has been done between Sammy and the WICBC which guarantees his place come what may over an undisclosed period of time. The saddest part is that the fans have no say in any of this as the WICBC (unlike any Caribbean government or business or any other organisation) is a law unto itself and can do what it wants when it wants and are answerable to NO ONE. To save time they should just record this latest press conference and replay it at the end of the NZ series

  • on November 16, 2013, 12:41 GMT

    Speeches, post mortems, criticisms, nothing can help the West Indies cricket team for the way they manage and select their team to represent the Caribbean.

    West Indies through the last few years continuously are trying to rebuild and they do found some success but the fact is you do not change an entire team at this level to represent the region.

    In all fairness and regardless of what the differences be, between the team management, the coach and these players such as Dwayne Bravo and Sarwan, West Indies need to reinforce the nucleus of this team.

    Chanderpaul will be leaving probably less than two years time and Gayle is slowly fading. There is an army of fast bowlers waiting in the barracks. What WI need to do is to set the bar higher for the fast bowlers so when they are selected, a pair of fast bowlers genuinely will perform to expectations.

    It is time to bring back Dwayne Bravo and Ramnaresh Sarwan into the test squad risking whatever it takes. West Indies need these two

  • ilyas on November 16, 2013, 13:10 GMT

    Inept captain, inept selectors, inept coach, inept batting (bar shiv),inept fielding and inept bowling (bar shilly)! At least WI are consistent! I really liked Sammy but it's clear his time has come and gone. He adds nothing to the team and is keeping one of the young speedsters out. Things will not get any better in the ODI's. Bravo is also an inept captain, a batsman who scores a nice 20 and someone who thinks he is a death bowler - he is deathly but to Windies chances of winning. One good thing is that pollard is not playing to score his customary duck but there is plenty of other dead wood in the squad. One final thing wirus's comments are spot on and so incisive that he has my vote as the next WI coach but as he talks sense he has no chance!!!!!!

  • bajanborn on November 16, 2013, 13:10 GMT

    sammy and his excuses are making no sense .to last six days altogether in two test matches show there is more happening than meets the eye .the problem seems to me that there is nobody in the camp to inspire the team .apparently, the coach might be qualified but he cannot apply his knowledge and i think he should be a deputy coach instead of being the head coach.the selectors ,manager , coach and the captain must GO .the captain is a poor choice and in fact there is no other test team that he can get in .wake up WI board before all invitations to tour ceases .with immediate effect ,sammy ,ramdin and best must go

  • on November 16, 2013, 13:21 GMT

    Sammy played a ridiculous slog in the first test and his response was 'tomorrow is another day'. Then he played a more ridiculous shot in the second test and now says 'we are better than that'. Really!

  • Puffin on November 16, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    WI need to get their batsmen sorted out fast, including potential successors to Chanderpaul and Gayle who won't be around forever. The top 3 teams are very tough to compete with, let alone beat on home turf, due to their skill, commitment and backroom support. You have to wonder if it is in the WI team to emulate these qualities when it counts.

  • PACERONE on November 16, 2013, 13:38 GMT

    W.I seem to persist with players who never learn from their mistakes.Changes have to be made sometimes so that these players can go and rectify their errors.Batsmen getting caught by the only man in the deep shows that their concentration and shot selection is very poor.No batting coach is with this team and it does not appear as if they have a bowling coach either.Changes have to be made...the selecting of players who have proven that they are not improving is a waste of time.Here is what I suggest.For test matches the players i would select are Brathwaite Powell Edwards,Gayle Samuel Chanderpaul,Carter Ramdin(Capt) Johnson Cummins Brathwaite shillingford Miller Roach and Rampaul.Gayle bats at #4.Give Bravo a break he has not shown the application needed to bat at #3.Spends a lot of time blocking then hangs his bat out at balls he should leave alone.Johnathan Carter can bowl his seamers as he has shown that he is capable of getting wickets.The bowlers have to be used wisely.

  • bobmartin on November 16, 2013, 13:41 GMT

    I don't know why Sammy is so surprised.. Is he so naive that he didn't realise that the only reason the tour was organised was so that Tundulkar would get to play his last test on home ground versus a weak team so that he could retire on a winning note with maybe a century to boot. It's was pure theatre.. that's all it was and was never going to be anything else...You were sacrificial lambs... nothing more.

  • 2.14istherunrate on November 16, 2013, 13:43 GMT

    The one crumb of comfort West Indies can take from this is that India beat Australia 4-0 in the spring. Otherwise they wasted many people's hopes of better times though why Narine or Bishoo were not there to offer support to S'ford I do not understand. This deserves to be Sammy's swansong as captain and as player.What use is a medium pacer who tries to slog everything?