Middle order August 9, 2010

Modern masters or stalwarts of old?

Will the picks skew towards the current crop, or will the Vishys and Hazares get a look in?
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The poet Yeats nearly got it right. He wasn't referring to cricket, of course, but he could have been speaking about the middle order: things fall apart when the centre cannot hold.

In the 1930s and 40s, India's middle order was shored up by Vijay Hazare and Lala Amarnath. The next decade belonged to Polly Umrigar, Vijay Manjrekar and Chandu Borde. Then came Tiger Pataudi, ML Jaisimha and Ajit Wadekar before Dilip Sardesai, Gundappa Viswanath, Mohinder Amarnath and Dilip Vengsarkar took over in the 1970s. With three centuries in his first three Tests, Mohammad Azharuddin announced himself in 1984-85.

The golden age was certainly the 1990s and 2000s, when Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, Sourav Ganguly and VVS Laxman came together to give India the best batting side in the world.

The larger shortlist means picking the middle order for an all-time India XI is more difficult than selecting the openers. One player more or less selects himself, leaving two other slots up for debate.

The candidates

Rahul Dravid
The finest No. 3 in the history of Indian cricket, and one of the best ever. A one-day aggregate of over 10,000 suggests that he can adapt his game. His record away from home makes him the most valuable batsman when the ball does things domestic players are unused to.

Sachin Tendulkar
Most runs, centuries, Test matches, and the man Don Bradman thought played like him. Enough said.

VVS Laxman
Played one of the most valuable innings, 281, by an Indian. It led to a win after following on against Australia and the start of the run that saw India finish as the No. 1 Test team in the world. In an age of utilitarian batsmen, his batting remains a visual delight.

Gundappa Viswanath
Has anybody been more pleasing to watch than this wonderful player of pace and spin alike? Carried the middle order on his shoulders for a decade, attacking the best fast bowlers and throwing the finest spinners off their length with creative batsmanship.

Vijay Hazare
Two hundreds on successive days against Don Bradman's Australia, and the Don's wicket in the same Test. He was India's first Test-winning captain, and the finest batsman in the middle till Viswanath.

MAK Pataudi
Led the self-respect movement in Indian cricket, inspiring the team into believing they could win. Trevor Bailey once said Pataudi might have been in the Bradman class if it were not for his handicap. Six Test centuries and innings of 75 and 85 in Melbourne in 1967, despite a pulled hamstring, established him as the Indian batsman of the 60s.

Mohinder Amarnath
Successful series against the best fast bowling in the world, in Pakistan and the West Indies, earned him the right to be labelled the best for a while. Innings of 90 and 100 in Perth had already hinted at what was to come. As a medium-pacer, he gives the captain more options.

Polly Umrigar
His 12 centuries formed the mark Indians aimed at, till Sunil Gavaskar made such calculations redundant. Innings of 56 and 172 not out in Trinidad in 1962 (he had five wickets in the first innings, besides) seemed to repeat Vinoo Mankad's famous Lord's performance of 1952.

Sourav Ganguly
The only left hander in the list, but that is not the only reason he is there. His average of 42.17 over 113 Tests compares favourably with Viswanath's 41.93 (91 Tests) and Dilip Vengsarkar's 42.13 (116 Tests). India's most successful Test captain, besides.

CK Nayudu
Was already 37 when he led India in their first Test, and was playing first-class cricket a quarter century later. Nayudu top-scored in the first innings at Lord's. He never lived up to his reputation as a six-hitting bowlers' nightmare in the seven Tests he played, but was an inspiring figure who put India on the international map.

Mohammad Azharuddin
Belonged to the Viswanath tradition of wristy batsmanship. He never really had to shoulder the batting on his own, though, since in his early days Vengsarkar or Mohinder Amarnath did that job, and soon Tendulkar arrived.

Dilip Vengsarkar
The link between the Gavaskar and Tendulkar generations, he held the middle order together, once making 166 against Sri Lanka on a dodgy track when no one else made more than 60. His three centuries at Lord's and six against West Indies' pace made him the most valuable player in the middle order in his time.

We'll be publishing an all-time India XI based on readers' votes to go with our jury's XI. To pick your middle-order batsmen click here

Suresh Menon is a writer based in Bangalore

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  • on August 12, 2010, 20:11 GMT

    Too many great players who have played for the country ...... really difficult to select one All-Time Indian XI from amongst players who have played the game across different eras.

    So I have selected two teams : Team A - consisting of players who have played bulk of their cricket before 1970s and Team B - comprising of players who have played in the post 70s period.

    Team A (Pre - 1970s):

    1. Vijay Merchant 2. Vinoo Mankad 3. Vijay Manjrekar 4. Vijay Hazare 5. Polly Umrigar 6. C.K. Nayadu 7. Farokh Engineer 8. Ghulam Ahmed 9. Subhash Gupte 10. Amar Singh 11. Mohammed Nissar 12th Man : Lala Amarnath

    Team B (Post - 1970s):

    1. Sunil Gavaskar 2. Virender Sehwag 3. Rahul Dravid 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. G.R. Vishwanath 6. Kapil Dev 7. Syed Kirmani 8. Javagal Srinath 9. Anil Kumble 10. Erapalli Prasanna 11. Bishen Singh Bedi 12th Man : VVS Laxman

    Not easy to relegate a magician like VVS to 12th man or exclude Zaks ..... but these are the best teams that I could think of.

  • on August 12, 2010, 19:26 GMT

    my choices would be dravid, tendulkar and (its a really tough call between vvs vs vishy) i choose vvs. 1. gavaskar, 2. sehwag, 3. dravid, 4. sachin, 5. vvs 6. kapil I thought nailing down the batting order would be tough for india but the batting selected itself rest was tough 7. kirmani (classical debate excellent keeper with limited batting skills or better batsman whose ok behind the stumps? very tough decision being a purist its a toss between kirmani or farooq but considering there are only 5 batsman its very tempting to choose dhoni) 8. chandra(very tough one chandra and kumble both being leggies with very similar fast leg break type of bowling its very tempting to keep both but u also need variety so I had to choose chandra again personal opinion) 9. Bishen(its Bishen vs prasanna) 10. zaheer 11. srinath(selecting 2 seamers was also tough not because of too many options but because there are too few(others i considered are prabhakar, chetan, roger, madhan, prasad)

  • staranikanti on August 12, 2010, 18:16 GMT

    Rahul and Sachin are a cut above the rest. It is a close tie between Hazare, Laxman (both have highest average in the list) and Vishy. Vishy too had similar av. before the slump from 1979-80. There is another criteria ie. Runs per test. Here except Hazare, Vishy scores over the rest. Vishy had as many runs as Hazare at 30 tests and better record before his downslide. A team is assessed by performance in individual tests aggregated. Vishy scored most runs for India in 25 out 91 tests. In case of Gavaskar it is 26 in 91 and 31 in 125. In tests won by India, it is 8 in 20 for Vishy. VVS too contributed significantly in India's wins. His batting average is boosted by a number of not outs. Vishy farmed strike better with tail enders loosing his wicket in the process. Vishy being a walker, in his case, bad decisions were not compensated. In Cricinfo/Wisden's words 'Though Stats don't reveal, he was as much critical as Gavaskar was'. Vishy(1st)/VVS(2nd) or if team opts for 2 seamers, Hazare.

  • buntyj on August 12, 2010, 18:12 GMT

    pps- and yes, vijay manjrekar rates ahead of umrigar

  • buntyj on August 12, 2010, 17:31 GMT

    ps- with helmet +fielding not a factor- the all time indian xi is likely to be by far the poorest fielding side in any case- jimmy amarnath at no 5 is ahead of all other options.

  • on August 12, 2010, 13:32 GMT

    Barry Richards (SA) Len Hutton (Eng) Don Bradman (Aus) Viv Richards (WI) Sachin Tendulkar (Ind) Garry Sobers (WI) Imran Khan ( Pak ) Richard Hadlee (NZ) Wasim Akram (Pak) Allan Knott (Eng) Murlitharan (SL)

    I should be the first to put a world eleven. Atleast 1 from each team.

  • 270380 on August 12, 2010, 11:59 GMT

    My All time Indian XI would be 1. S. Gavaskar 2. V. Sehwag 3. R. Dravid 4. S. Tendulkar 5. G. Vishwanath 6. V. Mankad 7. Kapil Dev 8. S. Kirmani 9. A. Kumble 10. Zaheer khan 11. E. Prasanna. There cannot be a better opening pair than Gavaskar and Sehwag one technically perfect and the other sending the best bowler on a leather hunt on any wicket. No comments on Dravid and Tendulkar. Vishwanth could play both fast and spin with ease on worst wickets. Mankad the classic left arm spinner and could bat in any position. Kirmani easily the best wicket keepr India has produced. A. Kumble like Dravid and Tendulkar does not need any comment. Zaheer can compliment Kapil as a left armer. Prasanna perhaps the best off spinner the world has produced. I will have Azharuddin as twelfth man for his superb feilding in any position.

  • cricfanraj on August 12, 2010, 11:53 GMT

    @Ramesh Dhoni over Kirmani can be compare to Gilchrist over Healy /Rodney Marsh. Gilchrist is noway a better keeper compare to Healy or Marsh . But he was good which is enough and his batting skills added advantage to redefine No 7 position. Similarly I agree that Dhoni is not in same class as Kirmani but he did very well against Kumble and Bhajji . I don't think Chandra is way too different from Kumble and his batting + leadship qualities gives him an edge over Kirmani. I agree that a player should not choose for wrong reason (like some people always force Irfan because he can bat ) but when it comes to Dhoni he is no mean with glouses. So most of use choose Dhoni over Kirmani.

  • coolankur on August 12, 2010, 11:28 GMT

    MY ALL TIME BEST INDIAN ELEVEN WOULD BE: 1 SUNIL GAVASKAR ----- nobody shd raise a question 2. VIRENDER SEHWAG ---- man who has changed d perception of opening in test mtch 3. RAHUL DRAVID ---- d best sheet anchor ever 4. SACHIN TENDULKAR --- GOD OF CRICKET 5. VVS LAXMAN--- D MAN WHO NEVER DEMANDS BUT ALWAYS GIVES BACK 6 KAPIL DEV - BEST INDIAN CRICKETER OF D LAST CENTURY 7 SYED KIRMANI - BEST KEEPER BATSMAN 8. ANIL KUMBLE - MAN WHO DIDN'T TURN D BALL BUT STILL GOT BAGFUL OF WICLETS 9. JAVAGAL SRINATH- KAPIL'S TRUE SUCCESSOR 10. BISHAN SINGH BEDI- ORIGINAL TURBANATOR 11. B.S. CHANDRASHEKHAR - D MAN WHO MADE HIS WEAKNESS INTO HIS STRENGTH GUYZ PLZ HAVE A LOOK AND COMMENT .

  • on August 12, 2010, 10:08 GMT

    Why is Dhoni being picked as a wicket keeper in the All Time India XI. His wicket keeping abilities are no where near Kirmani, Engineer, Bharat Reddy etc etc. Have you even seen Kirmani miss a stumping like that Dhoni missed of Ojha. Keeping wickets for Chandra is much more tougher.

  • on August 12, 2010, 20:11 GMT

    Too many great players who have played for the country ...... really difficult to select one All-Time Indian XI from amongst players who have played the game across different eras.

    So I have selected two teams : Team A - consisting of players who have played bulk of their cricket before 1970s and Team B - comprising of players who have played in the post 70s period.

    Team A (Pre - 1970s):

    1. Vijay Merchant 2. Vinoo Mankad 3. Vijay Manjrekar 4. Vijay Hazare 5. Polly Umrigar 6. C.K. Nayadu 7. Farokh Engineer 8. Ghulam Ahmed 9. Subhash Gupte 10. Amar Singh 11. Mohammed Nissar 12th Man : Lala Amarnath

    Team B (Post - 1970s):

    1. Sunil Gavaskar 2. Virender Sehwag 3. Rahul Dravid 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. G.R. Vishwanath 6. Kapil Dev 7. Syed Kirmani 8. Javagal Srinath 9. Anil Kumble 10. Erapalli Prasanna 11. Bishen Singh Bedi 12th Man : VVS Laxman

    Not easy to relegate a magician like VVS to 12th man or exclude Zaks ..... but these are the best teams that I could think of.

  • on August 12, 2010, 19:26 GMT

    my choices would be dravid, tendulkar and (its a really tough call between vvs vs vishy) i choose vvs. 1. gavaskar, 2. sehwag, 3. dravid, 4. sachin, 5. vvs 6. kapil I thought nailing down the batting order would be tough for india but the batting selected itself rest was tough 7. kirmani (classical debate excellent keeper with limited batting skills or better batsman whose ok behind the stumps? very tough decision being a purist its a toss between kirmani or farooq but considering there are only 5 batsman its very tempting to choose dhoni) 8. chandra(very tough one chandra and kumble both being leggies with very similar fast leg break type of bowling its very tempting to keep both but u also need variety so I had to choose chandra again personal opinion) 9. Bishen(its Bishen vs prasanna) 10. zaheer 11. srinath(selecting 2 seamers was also tough not because of too many options but because there are too few(others i considered are prabhakar, chetan, roger, madhan, prasad)

  • staranikanti on August 12, 2010, 18:16 GMT

    Rahul and Sachin are a cut above the rest. It is a close tie between Hazare, Laxman (both have highest average in the list) and Vishy. Vishy too had similar av. before the slump from 1979-80. There is another criteria ie. Runs per test. Here except Hazare, Vishy scores over the rest. Vishy had as many runs as Hazare at 30 tests and better record before his downslide. A team is assessed by performance in individual tests aggregated. Vishy scored most runs for India in 25 out 91 tests. In case of Gavaskar it is 26 in 91 and 31 in 125. In tests won by India, it is 8 in 20 for Vishy. VVS too contributed significantly in India's wins. His batting average is boosted by a number of not outs. Vishy farmed strike better with tail enders loosing his wicket in the process. Vishy being a walker, in his case, bad decisions were not compensated. In Cricinfo/Wisden's words 'Though Stats don't reveal, he was as much critical as Gavaskar was'. Vishy(1st)/VVS(2nd) or if team opts for 2 seamers, Hazare.

  • buntyj on August 12, 2010, 18:12 GMT

    pps- and yes, vijay manjrekar rates ahead of umrigar

  • buntyj on August 12, 2010, 17:31 GMT

    ps- with helmet +fielding not a factor- the all time indian xi is likely to be by far the poorest fielding side in any case- jimmy amarnath at no 5 is ahead of all other options.

  • on August 12, 2010, 13:32 GMT

    Barry Richards (SA) Len Hutton (Eng) Don Bradman (Aus) Viv Richards (WI) Sachin Tendulkar (Ind) Garry Sobers (WI) Imran Khan ( Pak ) Richard Hadlee (NZ) Wasim Akram (Pak) Allan Knott (Eng) Murlitharan (SL)

    I should be the first to put a world eleven. Atleast 1 from each team.

  • 270380 on August 12, 2010, 11:59 GMT

    My All time Indian XI would be 1. S. Gavaskar 2. V. Sehwag 3. R. Dravid 4. S. Tendulkar 5. G. Vishwanath 6. V. Mankad 7. Kapil Dev 8. S. Kirmani 9. A. Kumble 10. Zaheer khan 11. E. Prasanna. There cannot be a better opening pair than Gavaskar and Sehwag one technically perfect and the other sending the best bowler on a leather hunt on any wicket. No comments on Dravid and Tendulkar. Vishwanth could play both fast and spin with ease on worst wickets. Mankad the classic left arm spinner and could bat in any position. Kirmani easily the best wicket keepr India has produced. A. Kumble like Dravid and Tendulkar does not need any comment. Zaheer can compliment Kapil as a left armer. Prasanna perhaps the best off spinner the world has produced. I will have Azharuddin as twelfth man for his superb feilding in any position.

  • cricfanraj on August 12, 2010, 11:53 GMT

    @Ramesh Dhoni over Kirmani can be compare to Gilchrist over Healy /Rodney Marsh. Gilchrist is noway a better keeper compare to Healy or Marsh . But he was good which is enough and his batting skills added advantage to redefine No 7 position. Similarly I agree that Dhoni is not in same class as Kirmani but he did very well against Kumble and Bhajji . I don't think Chandra is way too different from Kumble and his batting + leadship qualities gives him an edge over Kirmani. I agree that a player should not choose for wrong reason (like some people always force Irfan because he can bat ) but when it comes to Dhoni he is no mean with glouses. So most of use choose Dhoni over Kirmani.

  • coolankur on August 12, 2010, 11:28 GMT

    MY ALL TIME BEST INDIAN ELEVEN WOULD BE: 1 SUNIL GAVASKAR ----- nobody shd raise a question 2. VIRENDER SEHWAG ---- man who has changed d perception of opening in test mtch 3. RAHUL DRAVID ---- d best sheet anchor ever 4. SACHIN TENDULKAR --- GOD OF CRICKET 5. VVS LAXMAN--- D MAN WHO NEVER DEMANDS BUT ALWAYS GIVES BACK 6 KAPIL DEV - BEST INDIAN CRICKETER OF D LAST CENTURY 7 SYED KIRMANI - BEST KEEPER BATSMAN 8. ANIL KUMBLE - MAN WHO DIDN'T TURN D BALL BUT STILL GOT BAGFUL OF WICLETS 9. JAVAGAL SRINATH- KAPIL'S TRUE SUCCESSOR 10. BISHAN SINGH BEDI- ORIGINAL TURBANATOR 11. B.S. CHANDRASHEKHAR - D MAN WHO MADE HIS WEAKNESS INTO HIS STRENGTH GUYZ PLZ HAVE A LOOK AND COMMENT .

  • on August 12, 2010, 10:08 GMT

    Why is Dhoni being picked as a wicket keeper in the All Time India XI. His wicket keeping abilities are no where near Kirmani, Engineer, Bharat Reddy etc etc. Have you even seen Kirmani miss a stumping like that Dhoni missed of Ojha. Keeping wickets for Chandra is much more tougher.

  • Saravjit on August 12, 2010, 10:05 GMT

    Viswanath & Azhar no way

    Azhar apart from those 2 100's in England & 2 in NZ has nothing to Show Abroad , all efforts on flat Indian Tracks. Abroad Average 36. Has just 9 50 plus innings in matches won compared to 25 of VVS

    Vishwanath failed miserably on the Pak tour of 1982 and could not even stage a single comeback, ONLY 4 100'S Abroad, avg of 36 abroad

    So it Should be SACHIN , DRAVID , VVS , AMARNATH

    DRAVID had a Grt time during 2002-2006. Some Grt Partnerships with VVS Although last 4 years have been a Struggle

    VVS has 6 100's against the Best Team of his Era , Many Match Winning Knocks including some Glorious 50's . Bats with Tail Enders, Grt Slip Catching

    Amarnath was a fighter like VVS Though not like VVS as a Match Winner !!

  • vishalnaik1982 on August 12, 2010, 9:38 GMT

    well my obvious choice is dravid for no 3 sachin for no 4.but choice of other batsman is tough

  • on August 12, 2010, 7:43 GMT

    My Team... 1. Virender Sehwag 2. Sunil Gavaskar 3. Rahul Dravid 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. Mohammad Azzarudin 6. VVS Laxman 7. Kapil Dev 8. Farooq Engineer 9. Anil Kumble 10.Zaheer Khan 11.B.Chandersekhar

  • cricfanraj on August 12, 2010, 7:25 GMT

    There are few suggestions to include M Amarnath and Vengsarkar. I've seen these guys batting may be after 84,they are good but not exceptional. If they can be incluided what about Sanjay Mangerekar who was also a very good batsmen. As I mentioned earlier Ganguly in this list is only an emotional decision not realistic. Technically its between Vishwanath and Laxman. (I don't know anythin about hazare.. my ignorance.) Whimever you chose you are right and wrong:-) so keep your fingers crossed. Waiting for Spinner selection. Kumble, Subhash Gupte,Chandra, Prasanna.. chose two. Bhajji and Bedi also there but on any given day I'll chose Prasanna over Bhajji and Chandra over Bedi.

  • BillyCC on August 12, 2010, 6:29 GMT

    harshalb, good on you for thinking a bit differently. I don't necessarily agree with all your selections but I do agree with your view that many of the popular choices for this team are not the selection certainties that others claim them to be. Quality is as important as quantity in a selection of an All Time XI. In my mind, the only certainties for the Indian All Time XI are: Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Kapil Dev. Kumble and Dravid are near certainties but may miss out. And the other spots are up for grabs.

  • on August 12, 2010, 5:00 GMT

    NO.3 though my personal bias would pick Vengsarkar.. but lets be fair DRAVID scores above all for NO. 3 position No. 4 No prizes for guessing.. this is reserved for at least next 100 years for any team picked - SACHIN No. 5 Strong contenders (dada, jimmy, hazare all great players but cannot be considered I am sorry). difficult to pick the best pair of wrists among Laxman, Vishy, Azhar... I go by AZHAR

  • harshalb on August 12, 2010, 3:37 GMT

    STATEMENT: Just as you cannot leave George Headley out of WI XI and Shane Warne out of Australia XI, you cannot leave Hazare and Gupte out of an all time great India XI. My LINE UP follows, cricinfo please print. 1)Sunny, 2)Sehwag, 3)Merchant (though he was categorized as opened) or Umrigar, 4)Tendulkar, 5)Hazare, 6)Engineer/ Kiri 7)Kapil, 8)Nissar, 9)Srinath or Mankad or Chandra (depending on wicket) 10)Gupte, 11)Prasanna. FEW EXPLANATONS: I have gone for pure quality instead of quantity as you can see by omitting Kumble. I have chosen Merchant instead of Dravid as I am convinced that the former was a better batman than the latter. I have not considered Vishy due to his inconsistency. Vengsarkar at his best was a fine batman, better than Azhar, Laxman who struggled against short pitched balls at Perth but scores heavily at low bounce Lords, Adelaide and Sydney etc. Those chosen are better equipped to handle bowling of other XIs. Would have loved to have Jimmy but...can't make it.

  • on August 12, 2010, 2:41 GMT

    some really funny comments there...most of the decisions influenced by emotion...not by cricketing ability (amarnath for dravid...can you believe that...azar for vishy...uffff) i agree amarnath was a good...i repeat...good player...but he was nowhere near the class of rahul...wonder when will people let go of their predicament that old is always better than new...!!!

  • silverfan on August 12, 2010, 2:16 GMT

    @anamitro - Bang on target. I hope the selectors keep one vital statistic in mind -

    Know Amarnath (Jimmy), Know World Cup (1983)

    Batting #3 - Jimmy Amarnath

  • wbh6 on August 12, 2010, 0:35 GMT

    No way does Ganguly belong there. Dravid, Tendulkar, and the last spot is a toss-up. Azhar? Umrigar? Vengsarkar? Tough one.

  • englishwhiteboyimranmyheronotbotham on August 11, 2010, 21:46 GMT

    Surprised by the omission of Vijay Manjrekar from the shortlist. As I understand it he was generally seen as the best Indian player of fast bowling of his time, perhaps the only one with a real reputation against the quicks; Umrigar, despite his runs in Trinidad in '62 I think was generally regarded as shaky against pace. Also Prasanna in his autobiography rated Manjrekar the greatest player of spin he ever bowled to, and the greatest Indian batsman, ahead of Gavaskar, Viswanath etc.

  • on August 11, 2010, 19:34 GMT

    my eleven 1. sunil gavaskar 2. virender sehwag 3.rahul dravid 4.sachin tendulkar 5.vvs laxman 6.kapil dev(c) 7.ms dhoni 8.anil kumble 9.bs chandreshekar 10.javagal srinath 11.harbhajan singh .i think above team has techinque and temperment.2 fast bowler and 3 spinners .no one gives credit to javagal srinath and anil kummble for spearheading bowling attack in 90's.vvs laxman could have got more runs if had more support at other end ,he always had to bat with tail till recently.since 2-3 yrs his performance has been good ,becuase depth in batting.i have not picked ganguly,is good test player not great,he became great captain because team has made him great.he alone was not responsible.

  • pamsss on August 11, 2010, 18:57 GMT

    Best middle order ever: 1) Sachin Tendulkar: Do i need to give any explanation? 2) Rahul Dravid: He is the wall. His performances on away soil gives him better edge. 3) VVS Laxman: His Batting is delight to watch. Plays well in pressure situation. Who can forget his 281*

  • on August 11, 2010, 18:43 GMT

    1. V. Sehvag 2. S. Gavaskar 3. R. Dravid 4. S. Tendulkar 5. S. Gangooly 6. M. Amarnath 7. K. Dev 8. F. Engineer 9. A. Kumble 10. J. Shrinath 11. B. Chandershekhar

    12. G. Vishvanath 13. VVS. Laxman 14. MS. Dhoni 15. S. Gupte

  • thisgameislife on August 11, 2010, 16:17 GMT

    to all who are pushing for 4 bowlers to accommodate an additional middle order batsman because india has always played that way - i have one question - what is india's success rate with that formula??? and those who have suggested dravid as keeper - i dont even know what to question???

  • srikeshi on August 11, 2010, 16:08 GMT

    Very easy. It should be dravid,sachin and laxman. vishy and azhar average around 36 and vengsarkar 33 outside india. Vishwanath is romanticized, his actual performance tells a different story. People say india never lost a test whenever he scored a century but the fact is it is generally more difficult to hit a century in a losing match than a winning or drawn match.

  • VijaySatyavolu on August 11, 2010, 16:07 GMT

    Doesn't Suresh Menon know that there is a player called Sunil Gavaskar exist in 1970's and 80's as a main stay of Indian Cricket and the guru of Indian batsmanship? What a shame to forget the one of the starlwarts of the world cricket and not just Indian Cricket? Suresh, go and do agriculture rather than reporting on cricket.

  • saifkl on August 11, 2010, 15:56 GMT

    BillyCC

    I completely agree with your analysis. My comments were based on the fact that this panel is going to pick one spin bowler and three fast bowlers and therfore the bowling attack will not be that effective...

  • on August 11, 2010, 15:55 GMT

    No option for Openers: GAVASKAR(The daring hero, started with bang against mighty west indian with series win_where Garner, Marshal, Roberts are there), and Sehwag(Lack of techniques but avarage is 54, ideal for any test batsman+7000 runs and 21 centuries). In middle order 2 places are fixed without choice, RD AND SRT: Any day. No comments on them, sorry I have no word to describe their greatness. 3rd choice is not only difficult but controversial also. Sorry, No place for Dada here. He got avg. only 42. Very, verry less than a world class batsman. Choice wold be in between HAzare and Azhar. But keeping situation and condition in mind and avarage too (which is highest among all other options in middle order), my Choice is HAZARE. Sorry "Very Very Special". Despite your heroics it went to Hazare as he did not have support of SRT or RD like standerd batsmen.

  • ovthegreat on August 11, 2010, 15:06 GMT

    1. Gavaskar 2. Sehwag 3. Dravid 4. Tendulkar 5. Ganguly(C) 6. Amarnath 7. Dhoni(WK) 8. Kapil 9. Kumble 10. Harbhajan / Srinath (Depending on pitch) 11. Zaheer

    Now if you guys want to show unnecessary respect to oldies... go on.

  • zohebchampion on August 11, 2010, 14:51 GMT

    For opening Gavasker is automatic choice.In the middle order Dravir and Tendulker are automatic choice too. I will prefer Azharuddin over Hazare, Vishi and Laxman.Azhar was a delight to watch.Kapil and Kumble are going to be automatic choices too.Lets wait and see who are the others selected.

  • inswing on August 11, 2010, 13:56 GMT

    Mohinder Amarnath is truly underrated. He was dropped repeatedly because the selectors had a beef with his father, Lala. Nobody better and more gutsy than him against top class fast bowling in a hostile environment. If traveling to Pak or WI to face their dream team, I pick Amarnath. If traveling to Aus, I pick VVS. He just has their number. All other cases, I pick Hazare. VVS is fantastic and played the best innings by an Indian ever. Having just scored a century to win a test, emotions are running in his favor. He also averages 47. But remember that this is in an era where everybody and their brother averages 50. Hazare averaged 47 in worse conditions with little support.

  • buntyj on August 11, 2010, 13:48 GMT

    ps- y not consider viru too at no 5?

  • Navillus on August 11, 2010, 13:24 GMT

    People who are arguing for Ganguly and citing his overseas average being better than Vishwanath, Vengsarkar etc, please bear in mind that no one has played the amount of matches in Zimbabwe and Bangladesh as dada. The players of the old did not have such luxury and Laxman at number 6 never had the opportunity to cash in against the weaker oppositions, with openers and middle order having their share of the run feast and sourav astutely promoting himself to number 5 (sometimes also 3) every time the bowling was weak.

  • on August 11, 2010, 13:22 GMT

    already we had many arguments in favour of VVS.i 'll put in a few more for him.VVS is the greatest match winner ever for india in tests(not sunny,sachin,dravid,kapil dev).some of his MATCH WINNING KNOCKS:59 not out and 281 against aussies in kolkata(281 under immense pressure while following on).2 half centuries in the very next test match at chennai(especially the 66 he scored of 82 in the second innings was really crucial.),148 against australia at adelaide,79 against autralia at perth(batting with te tail),half century he scored against pakistan at kotla,150+ against SA at eden gardens,top scorer in the second innings in the match against SA in SA,recent 100 against srilanka...ti name a few.he will be first in my list while choosing an all time XI,not just because of his class and elegance.but simply because indian cricket team never had a match winning batsman like him in tests.

  • buntyj on August 11, 2010, 12:51 GMT

    part 3- middle order- no 4 sachin is a given real choices are no 3 dravid vs hazare n n no 5 vishy, vvs or pataudi personally my 3 favourite bats have been vvs, vishy n dravid but keeping in mind that 2/5 tests may be uncovered, n 3/5 helmet less (how many with home rather than 3rd country umpires-3/5? n how many with the old lbw rule- 1/5 for india?) i opted for hazare and i opted at no 5 for pataudi due to his 67-68 away form, valourous hook, and fielding n captaincy skills; between vvs n vishy vvs has a safe pair of hands close in as does dravid but really i could settle for any of vvs, vishy or dravid instead of pataudi at no 5; worry is the fielding; the only reason to consider azhar but his batting isn't really upto the same level; dada, polly were not really all that well regarded by competitors or away media in tests as reflected by away records; vengsarkar was best at home n england not others in long career; 12th man any of pat or azhar, surti (best all over), solkar;

  • JK.5555 on August 11, 2010, 12:43 GMT

    well as per all time shown i think gavskar,viswnath and azharuddun is classical batsman as per innings played vs great bowler of world so as per my pick greatest 11 Indian is 1.gavsker2.sehvag3.dravid(wicket keeper)4.sachin,5 M.azharudun(c) 6.vishvanth 7.vvs laxman8.kumble9.harbhajan10.kapil11.zahir

  • buntyj on August 11, 2010, 12:26 GMT

    part 2 part time bowlers- we need 5 true bowlers to tackle all time xi s, also best indian part timers not in list- lala amarnath, borde, surti wk's- tamhane was perhaps best, n kiri (useful bat too at 8,9 or nightwatchman) n hindlekar were close but the best bats were engineeer, kunderan (but least as keeper from the 6), and dhoni; i opt for engineer as he could bat at any position including no 6/7 (though his 2 tons were as opener), played the hook shot helmetless with valour; kept to pace (county/world xi) apart from indian spin, and scored runs away from the subcontinent too; batsman- i opted for sunny with merchant rather than viru due to a belief that to be representative an all time xi should look to playing 2/5 tests on uncovered wickets (look especially at merchants 46 england tour records apart from 36 and comments by competitors and media) and since merchant was not superstitious about batting at no 1 rather than 2 (tho he usually batted no 1) unlike sunny n viru;

  • Saravjit on August 11, 2010, 12:01 GMT

    Gavaskar , Sehwag , Dravid , Tendulkar , Laxman , Amarnath , Kapil , Kirmani , Srinath , Bedi , Kumble

    All are Match Winners in their Own Right. Among the current Lot Laxman has the maximum memorable Knocks so he replaces the Likes of Vishy , Vengsarkar

    Amarnath for His Guts and also Bowling.

  • buntyj on August 11, 2010, 11:56 GMT

    part 1 for those who would include v mankad i would ask have they looked at his middle order batting record? if i recall correctly all his 5 tons n most 50s were as opener; also have they looked at his bowling record overseas? among indian spinners chandra and gupte had the best overseas record; and both could play as both were different leggies; however, gupte had limited away tours and more variety would be involved in pras and bedi too; they had perhaps best indian away records as off spinner (especially down under) and sla over time; moreover, like pakistans current pacers these 3 spinners made india look competitive for many sessions of many away tests even in the absence of batting support or a pacer from mid-60s through 70s. as pacers- kapil selects himself, i would consider sri n zak and really like amar singh but the fastest indian bowler on record was nissar and he did well in his limited away tests;

  • narenvs on August 11, 2010, 11:36 GMT

    I liked the arguments in favour of Hazare, although I picked Laxman ahead of him. But the best batsman I didn't include was Merchant as he was the 3rd best opener, though the 5th best bat - after Tendulkar, Gavaskar, Dravid, Sehwag. Merchant's international career was disrupted more than Hazare's as he missed some matches in the 1930s in solidarity with non-cooperation agitations; and was a little older and less fit after World War II. His average therefore understates his abilities that much more. Aside from the 5 batsmen, Kapil is the only obvious choice. I'm inclined to pick Mankad & 2 specialist spiiners (Kumble, Prasanna), but an argument could be made to pick a 3rd specialist spinners (say, Chandra) rather than Mankad as Kumble, Prasanna, Chnandra, Gupte & Bedi were better bowlers. For the other opening bowler, it's a toss-up between Srinath, Nissar & Zaheer; and I incline toward Srinath. For the w-k, I pick Engineer over Joshi (better batting) & Kirmani (more consistent keeping

  • kapilesh23 on August 11, 2010, 11:14 GMT

    one thing which goes in laxmans favour is that he is still a part of indian test team .and as we could see he has probably two or three more years of cricket left in him .we have a test series in south africa and many more such series .and i am sure that laxman will perform in the best way possible in all those series .i support laxman for the 5th spot because of his longevity just like dravid and sachin .laxman may end up getting more than 8000 runs at the end of his career .cricket is a number game after all .whenever we have to asses a player we see his stats .so all this playing without helmet,facing fast bowlers does not exclude him from the list .laxman will have much bigger stats than all of the no 5th probables.

  • rohan213 on August 11, 2010, 11:13 GMT

    XI :- Gavaskar , Sehwag, Dravid (wk), Tendulkar (vc), Hazare, Laxman, Kapil (c), Zaheer ( or Nissar) , Kumble, Prasanna, Gupte

    So far so good...Dravid can wear gloves because we need batting depth if i am going to play three spinners (which I am since the only real fast bowler we have ever had is this Nissar guy who played like six matches and sounds great but frankly i still prefer zaheer because i've seen more of him, he swings it and would complement Kapil nicely as a left armer, both kapil and zaheer have nice yorkers something that cannot be said about other indian pretending to be fast bowlers.) I was dying to put vishy in there but laxman gets the nod. I even thought of having him instead of dravid who lets face it, isn't the prettiest of batsmen to watch but there is no room for sentimentality here. Choosing the spinners was really hard, i love chrandrasekhar but he and kumble are basically identical. Kumble because he carried india alone.

  • on August 11, 2010, 10:29 GMT

    @ criccylife... awesome observation!!

  • rahuja on August 11, 2010, 9:43 GMT

    Agree to a large extent with sbbioman74. The india XI needs to make Kapil play as a medium pacer and a batsman who can bowl good medium pace in swinging conditions in the all rounder's slot. My XI be - 1. Sehwag 2. Gavaskar 3. Dravid 4. Sachin 5. VVS/Vishy/Umrigar 6. Amarnath/Ganguly 7. Kapil 8. Engineer 9. Kumble 10. Srinath 11. Prasanna/Chandrashekhar. B/w Amarnath/Ganguly, I would make the case that scales tilt towards Ganguly because of his captaincy potential.

  • cricinme on August 11, 2010, 9:33 GMT

    Mohd Kamran, i am not talking here about Zaheer Khans bowling records. No doubt he is one of Indias great fast bowlers. But his commitment to fitness level that needs to be there in a fast bowler is missing. Does he have the fitness level of Kapil Dev, Mcgrath, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Walsh etc. to be said as Indias best fast bowler ? Of late, how many times he has got injured or skipped playing after the team selection and thus weakened our bowling attack. It is a pity that we have not got a proper replacement for him to avoid him totallly from selection.

  • sbbioman74 on August 11, 2010, 8:29 GMT

    my all time best XI: gavaskar(vc), sehwag, dravid, tendulkar,ganguly (c), m. amarnath, kapil dev, farookh engineer(wk), kumble, srinath, b chandrasekhar . ganguly can be replaced by vijay hazare/g viswanath/laxman depending upon form and situation. s gupte can replace b chandrasekhar similarly. this team will be world beater! great variation in bowling: two types of legspin (kumble and chandrasekhar), one outswing bowler(kapil), one inswing bowler(srinath), medium pacer(amarnath), one part time medium pacer(ganguly), two part time spinners (sehwag ans sachin). alas: we don't have any out and out fast bowler. can't comment about md. nissar, david johnsons and munaf patels and ashish nehras etc: all had the talent but faded away like smoke in the wind.

  • BillyCC on August 11, 2010, 7:21 GMT

    Saifkl, I appreciate your concerns but I do believe that India are well placed to take 20 wickets with their All-Time XI. The fact is, spin has always been the strong suit of Indian bowling, and therein lies the key to taking 20 wickets. And in a theoretical match involving this All Time XI, India would be very difficult to beat at home if they create conditions where fast bowlers will struggle. Of course, in pace friendly conditions, India would struggle to match the bowlers you mentioned. In fact, this is the reverse argument of the West Indies who have magnificent fast bowlers but would struggle to match the wicket taking ability of the spin bowlers that India will produce in spin-friendly conditions.

  • usman_nile1994 on August 11, 2010, 5:51 GMT

    Dravid Sachin 3rd and 4th but who should 5th. Vishy or VvS? 6th should also be a batsmen as its india's greatest strength. Can we use Dravid as a keeper (sory dhoni) ? 5 and 6 should be Vishy/laxman and Azhar

  • criccylife on August 11, 2010, 5:09 GMT

    When looking at averages, we should bear in mind that Viswanath's average is low partly because his great performances came in low-scoring matches - 97 out of 190 against WI, 124 out of 251 against same opponents, 139 out of 316 also against WI, 114 out of 237 against Australia, a vital 33 in a small run-chase at the Oval in 1971...and India won all these matches which means that he made these runs in conditions that both teams found tough for batting...he carried the batting for a decade alongwith Gavaskar..the modern masters have not had to bear the burden that these two did...Laxman and Ganguly are simply not in the same class as Gavaskar, Vishy, Dravid, and Tendulkar

  • on August 11, 2010, 3:37 GMT

    Guys umrigar's average ( 42.22) is better than sourav, vishy , vengsarkar, pataudi, nayudu and jimmy. He also played 59 test matches which is not a bad number. Please consider him when you are voting for the best 3. I would like to also add don't ignore Md Azharuddin because of match fixing scandal. He is a real class and on his day he is even better than sachin. His average also over 45 (45.03). All i am suggesting , please consider those two underrated batsman with indian best two ever: dravid and tendulkar.

  • saifkl on August 11, 2010, 3:18 GMT

    The real question for India will be finding 3 match winning world class fast bowlers? India does does not have a single fast bowler of the class of Holding, Lillee, Marshall, Imran, Wasim, Mc Grath....

    You will simply have a team that can score runs but will fail to bowl any of the other all time Eleven's.....

    At the end it will be a weak team just like Sri Lanka....

  • Sininsh on August 11, 2010, 3:15 GMT

    I have picked my 11 (in batting order) from most of the current lot ... they are more evolved, have tasted more victories home and abroad, and re-present a new set of mentality which is steelier on above accounts.

    1. Sehwag. 2. Gavaskar. 3. Dravid. 4. Tendulkar. 5. Laxman. 6. Kapil Dev.(All Runder/Capt) 7. Dhoni. (Wk/Capt) 8. Zaheer. 9.Harbhajan. (ahead of Bedi because of his batting) 10.Kumble. 11.Srinath.

  • vrm59 on August 11, 2010, 3:01 GMT

    GAVASKAR, ENGINEER, DRAVID, TENDULKAR, HAZARE, LAXMAN, V.MANKAD, KAPIL, PRASANNA, NISSAR, GUPTE

    Remember we need a team to go up against all time 11s from Australia, WI, England, Pakistan etc. Technique against super pace, swing , cut, bouncers is a must to have a ghost of a chance. I left out Sehwag. Yes, he has the triple hundreds on batting wickets at home and Pakistan but I am not convinced he would succeed against all time great fast bowlers on pacy wickets. I would respect and understand other people who included him but I just feel differently. It was painful to leave out Viswanath. He would be my first alternative should someone be injured :)

    To win we need to get 20 wickets. We need three spinners since that has always been our forte. (I included 2 of them who are legendary and Vinoo Mankad was a world class left armer in his times). Nissar and Kapil make an able pace duo who are capable of getting early wickets.

  • on August 11, 2010, 2:03 GMT

    Good observation by balajiaiak86...so true!

  • Anamitro on August 11, 2010, 1:51 GMT

    Remember no Amarnath, no world cup. He was one player you could bet your life on (except the two series immediately after the world cup). Having said that, he will not be picked since the selectors hated him. He was the first one to be dropped every time India lost a test. In WI, he had the highest aggregate OF BOTH THE TEAMS against the best bowling side in the history of test cricket.

  • Jim1207 on August 11, 2010, 1:12 GMT

    @Longmemory: I still feel that author is talking about middle order and he refers it as best batting side in the world. May be, thats confusing and we can mean either way!! both you and I and right here.. no doubt about aussie side and no doubt about the best middle order ever in the world too. Btw, I would select Sachin, Dravid and Sourav here for all time XI, Ganguly always played and got out in a hurry. He never tried to be not out batsman and increase his average. He would play his shots and get out, so his average flatters his efforts in stats. His average is pretty the same to VVS, except that VVS was 29 times NO, and Dada 17 times only. VVS might have played well in tough times but Sourav played as a captain which is equally tougher which clearly downplayed his whole career. Sourav was the one who sacrificed his career to some extent and helped India reach a competitive level with his captaincy and attitude in Indian team. He should definitely be in all time XI.

  • Antir on August 11, 2010, 0:31 GMT

    I will say this i like Dravid more than i like Tendulker but only by a little bit. I rate him as one of the best number 3 batsmen of all time. In the future i think people will look back fondly on both Tendulker and Dravid as two of the greatest batsmen ever to come out of India.

  • BillyCC on August 11, 2010, 0:00 GMT

    I am concerned that a lot of people in the forum are picking only the current stars of India. Obviously they are more memorable and people find it easier to relate to the short-term rather than history. Having read the profiles of all these players, I must say that many of them did great things, and are worthy of places in an India All Time XI. Therefore, I cannot say that the popular choice for a middle order of Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman will be necessarily the best choice. Who knows? Maybe Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman would not be suited to batting in other eras. Therefore, an All-Time XI must encompass a wider range of history and India has a rich cricketing history.

  • Rake1 on August 10, 2010, 22:04 GMT

    India All-Time ODI : K Srikkanth, V Sehwag, M Azharuddin, SR Tendulkar, S Ganguly, MS Dhoni, N Kapil Dev, Harbhajan Singh, A Kumble, J Srinath, Z Khan. Comments or suggestions are welcome.

  • suvo1987 on August 10, 2010, 20:41 GMT

    Top 11 must be well formed by the top rated players.Those player must perform well in abroad and home.We have no any problem to find the opening slot ,1st and 2nd slot.Also da performance and experience fulfill the 5th position(VVS 47.22).But tha actual problem is selecting the 6th position.I dnt understand why people r selectin Azhar.Being indian u must think the right teammate.Someone also think this place for Vengsarkar/vishawnath.Ok i show u an observation: player away avg home avg Ganguly 4032 41.56 3180 42.97 Vengsarkar 3143 32.73 3725 55.59 azhar 2803 36.40 3412 55.93 viswanath 2578 36.30 3502 47.32 except ganguly all three batin avg in below 40. In test format this is regarded as "Beggars in golden temple".but in home they r formidable.But dada s not so much behind them.Another thin i wan to say tht Vengsarkar,azhar nd vishawnath all three used to play at position 3rd & 4th.Bt Dada is always in 6th slot After Openers,dravid,sachin nd vvs

  • Bobby_Talyarkhan on August 10, 2010, 19:48 GMT

    Stalwarts of old for me every time - batting without helmets and under all conditions against the greatest bowlers - Merchant, Mushtaq Ali, Lala Amarnath, Nayudu, Hazare, Mankad, Budhi Kunderan, Kapil Dev, Mo Nissar (fastest bowler India every produced), Prasanna, Chandra. 12th man Vijay Manjrekar or Polly Umrigar.

  • amitava0112 on August 10, 2010, 19:11 GMT

    Phew! so tough..more than choosing AUS or WI XI..Dravid & tendulkar by their sheer test records selects themselves at 3 & 4..the fight is for 5th slot..in fact I will take 2 more batsman as India mostly played 6 batters..Vishi, VVS,Dada,Azhar, Vensarkar ,Jimmy & Hazare candidates.Hazare -great during his time but his record cudnt be judged over greater no of tests.Azhar & Dilip ..had avg overseas records & poor records in Aus & WI. Sourav ..balanced record allround world+useful change bowler but Jimmy along with his bowling is techniquewise better test bat with awesome overseas records spl v Aus,WI facing great fast bowling of 80s. Vishi better home record than overseas but won many tests with 100s & of couse great bat..but VVS is a true matchwinner spl v AUS against Mcgrath,Jason,Warne, Lee also very even record home v overseas..so between VVS,Vishi,Jimmy..its Mohinder at no 5 (added help as bowler) & VVS at 6..Vishi misses out narrowly..so middleorder:Dravid,Sachin,Mohinder & Laxman

  • wasimpakistan on August 10, 2010, 18:49 GMT

    sehawag

    gavaskar

    Dravid

    Sachin

    Gundappa Viswanath

    Mohinder Amarnath

    Farookh Engineer

    Kapil Dev

    Srinath

    Jaheer Khan

    Anil Kumble

    Bishan singh Bedi 12th man

  • on August 10, 2010, 17:02 GMT

    @balajiaiak86 Interesting observation!!

  • SDG1 on August 10, 2010, 16:25 GMT

    This one is for all the Sourav Ganguly detractors who have posted their unwanted comments: 1) Whenever Ganguly has scored a test hundred,India has either won or drawn that match. 2) He averages above 40 in both India and overseas. 3) Whoever doubt his calibre against high class fast bowling should have a look at the following : His match winning 87 against steyn,morkel and ntini on the worst pitch that cricket has ever been played on.(I am referring to the Kanpur test in 2008) His 141 in Adeilade against Pakistan when he smashed akram all over the park. 4) Ganguly has won the most number of "Man of the Match" awards in the history of IND vs PAK matches,combining all formats. 5) Unlike Lakshman,Ganguly is a legend in ODI history as well because he was a more complete player.

    Last but not the least he is the first captain who removed parochialism from team selection and is the GODFATHER of modern Indian cricket.He is d one who nurtured sehwag,yuvi,zaheer and harbhajan.

  • on August 10, 2010, 16:25 GMT

    at number 3 dravid is an automatic choice with his stupendous home and away record .the man rightly named the wall has time and again proved his mettle in trying circumstances .at number 4 is india's most beloved son tendulkar ,whom the don himself saw a next best thing to himself.at 5 is a tricky one ideally you would want a left hander in the top six but i think vishwanath with his ability to play quality pace and spin edges past azhar and ganguly.the fact that he was an great stroke maker helps.and at number 6 i think there is no other option other than laxman for the reasons already mentioned in the posts before.

  • on August 10, 2010, 16:18 GMT

    Can not believe how Azharuddin can be included in this list...

  • dpathak on August 10, 2010, 15:29 GMT

    This is TOUGH!! Only 3 to choose from 12 GREATS!! You know what...Umrigar, Hazare, Amarnath and Tendulkar can bowl; Dravid can keep - just replace Pataudi with Kapil Dev, Nayudu with Kumble, and Azhar with Gavaskar...and we have Indian All-time XI with Hazare as captain and Ganguly as 12th man! CHEERS!!

  • on August 10, 2010, 15:11 GMT

    I think our All Time XI might have more active or recently retired players than the other XI's so far.

    The Australian XI had 3 [Gilchrist, Warne, McGrath], England 1 [Pietersen] Pakistan 0, South Africa 2 [Smith, Kallis], West Indies 0

    I am pretty sure almost all of the following, Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman/Ganguly, MSD and Kumble will make the list.

  • Rajdev on August 10, 2010, 15:01 GMT

    Dravid at 3, Tendulkar at 4, Vijay Hazare at 5, and Vishy at 6. Rajan

  • HarishVS on August 10, 2010, 14:25 GMT

    No.4 is automatic and there was none before nor will be one in future and at present Sachin can be a match for Sachin himself and noone else for India! I have been watching cricket since the 1983 series in Pakistan and followed it before on Radio commentary since 1981. And anything before that, I have come to know through cricinfo stats. So the exploits of Mohinder Amarnath at No.3 or 4 will be fresh in my memory forever. But Rahul Dravid has been refreshing those memories by his formidable batsmanship at No.3 for India since 1996. With SRT and VVS has he got India to this stage of No.1 status. And we are used to get ecstatic about the deeds of VVS at No.5 or 6. Statistics and the memories of old-timers say GR Vishwanath was a class act and liked by crowds as well. Then comes the other name Dilip Vengsarkar who had not done anything less to take India to peaks with a no. of memorable innings. So I will take anything from Jury out of Dravid,Amarnath, SRT,Vishy,VVS, Vengsarkar.

  • NALINWIJ on August 10, 2010, 14:16 GMT

    DRAVID AND TENDULKAR DEFINITELY and VISHY marginally ahead of LAXMAN until LAXMAN'S recent 5th day effort against Sri Lanka reminding what a matchwinner he is and I begin to wonder whether Laxman would be a better option especially against an Australian AT XI. My only gripe against Laxman was when India was struggling to find an opening partner for SHEWAG why he refused and continued to argue with DRAVID for the number 3 spot when he could have formed India's greatest opening partnership. Instead he ended at 5 and on many occassions he was not required to do much when Dravid or Tendulkar got going. this eventually lead to him being overlooked by selectors.

  • suvo1987 on August 10, 2010, 14:16 GMT

    3rd,4th and 5th slot are very easy for selection.3rd & 4th position for Dravid(52.94) and Sachin(56.02) . 5th position for either Vengsarkarji(42.13) or laxman(47.22).but my choice is VVS.the team is 1.Sehwag(54.14 ALL),2.Gavaskar(51.12 BAT),3.Dravid(52.94 BAT),4.Sachin(56.02 BAT).5.laxman(47.22 BAT)6.Ganguly(42.17 VC/ALL),7.Dhoni(41.90 WK/BAT),8.Kapil Dev(31.05 C/ALL),9.Anil Kumble(17.77 SPIN/ALL),10.Srinath(BALL),11.Prassna(SPIN) & 12 position for Zaheer(BALL)...

  • Beertjie on August 10, 2010, 14:11 GMT

    Nice debate. Few if anyone has seen Hazare. I have to agree with the reasoning of Inswing. Given the opposition he faced (Lindwall, Miller, Johnston, etc), Hazare must trump VVS! He lost his best years to the war, but still finished with such an average. As others wrote, India have had their Trumpers and Headleys of by-gone eras. This has to be acknowledged. So the 3 (note, not FOUR!) must be RD; SRT; and VH (sorry VVS - honourable mention, just like so many greats from other countries).

  • mknkmak on August 10, 2010, 13:30 GMT

    Dravid best indian batsman. well sachin is good but a selfish player and plays for himself. but Dravid true batsman, perform any where in the world. He is a wall. sachin well he is very very very good against average bowling. yes he has played few good innings, well every batsmen play in his career but not as great as Dravid. for information just look sachin record against Ambrose, Walsh, Wasim, Waqar, even apart from one or two occasions Macgrath, Allan Donald, Shun Pollock. believe me everyone will get the reality about Sachin greatness. Dravid stand above every indian Batsmen. please exclude Ganguly from this list.

  • on August 10, 2010, 13:13 GMT

    My XI : 1. Gavaskar 2. Sehwag 3. Dravid 4.Hazare Sachin 5. 6.Vinoo Mankad 7. Dhoni 8. Kapil Dev 9. Kumble 10. M Nissar 11.Srinath/Chandrashekhar . 12th man :Laxman

  • sachin150 on August 10, 2010, 13:10 GMT

    Best middle order batsmen: 1.Sachin 2. Dravid 3. Hazare 4. laxman 5. Vishy 6. Azhar 7.Umrigar 8.Amarnath 9. Vengsarkar 10. Ganguly

    Ganguly is the 2nd best Indian ODI player ever, but his shortcomings against the shortball are well documented. He was never comfortable against raw pace and always tried to shield himself. He was a great captain though

  • narenvs on August 10, 2010, 13:07 GMT

    Gavaskar, Dravid and Tendulkar were obvious choices for Nos. 1, 3 and 4. I made the difficult choice of Sehwag over Merchant at No. 2 for two reasons - an attacking batsman complements Gavaskar better; and Sehwag has mowed down world attacks better than anyone else over the last three years, though Merchant was by all accounts the better technician. And I picked Laxman over the others at No. 5 because he had the best combination of batting technique, performance in difficult circumstances, and fielding ability. A case could however be made for Azharuddin (best fielder), Hazare (greatest contribution to the team as the batting was weakest in his time), Vishvanath (most attractive) or Vengsarkar (better in 2007 than anyone else). But, Azhar had problems against the rising ball; Hazare wasn't as good technically as Laxman, Vishvanath and Vengsarkar; Vishvanath's career was too short as he got too fat, unfit and became a liability in the field; and Vengsarkar was too inconsistent.

  • fahadist on August 10, 2010, 12:58 GMT

    I think cricinfo got it all wrong.. 3 pacers and 1 spinner for windies and now 3 middle order batsmen for India?! It was the quartet of pacers that defined the windies irrespective of "balance of side" Thats how they played their cricket and all time XI should reflect that.

    Same goes for the Indian team. For a long time Indian teams have been middle order heavy with 4 of the best test players, perhaps in the world, in the same XI even though their balling was hopelessly below standard. So why shouldn't the all time XI also represent that bat-opposition-out-of-match attitude. Why does the all time XI also have to follow the English paradigm of team balance?

  • on August 10, 2010, 12:56 GMT

    REPLY To cricinme for ur kind inf zaheer khan has played 72 test matches out of which india has won 31 test matches & lost 18 match and playing in india zaheer khan has lost only 2 matches and he has taken more than 100 wickets in which india has won why it is shame that india is dependent on zaheer it's shame for the country that ur unable 2 produce a bowler of a calibre of zaheer khan the sultan of reverse swing even vaas & brett lee wants to learn from zaheer khan in this column we r talking abt middle order & u talked abt zaheer

  • Bryan999 on August 10, 2010, 12:53 GMT

    Modern masters or stalwarts of old???? No doubt on the caliber of 'stalwarts of old' but for me to bring the country to position of #1; its the "modern masters" who make it to all time XI. DRAVID, SACHIN & LAXMAN...... @laxman_sachin_devotee: Thanks for posting the small list of 'contributions of VVS'....These stats should keep others quite who are feel that LAXMAN has lesser potential in the likes of vishy/dada/azzu/vengsarkar/amarnath.... @ others: please list the contributions of 'your-player' for 5th position (I bet it will be just few).... I have already posted the my arguements in favor of LAXMAN.... His performance/contributions now and then has shown that he is 'tailor-made' for 5th position to bring India proud at #1.....

  • balajiaiak86 on August 10, 2010, 11:40 GMT

    sometimes pictures say a lot more than words say. As i see the picture posted in this article i am forced to write my opinion about it. Sachin Tendulkar (with a stylish sunglass) , the more celebrated palyer among the fab four, at the foremost in the order of players. Ganguly, looking stern and more serious, had the job of leading the side more than consolidating the middle oder, Rahul Dravid, whose achievements (though no less in any sense) are for some reason always the poorer cousin of sachin tendulkar's feats, comes third, while Laxman barely gets a look in.

  • laxman_sachin_devotee on August 10, 2010, 11:37 GMT

    1000 characters are too less to list out all the performances where the saying "cometh the hour cometh the (lax)MAN" are appropriate. Generally style & substance are considered mutually exclusive qualities but here is a batsman who has combined these 2 in equal measure throughout his career. Will hype & hoopla score over quiet modesty & understated but immense skill & ability to handle pressure in the eyes of another selection panel. If so, I wont be losing sleep over it. Laxman's test & ODI career has made me numb to selectorial blunders. I will just wait for Aus to arrive. Another 4th innings chase of 260+ for India. Top 3 back in the pavilion with less than 50 on board. Pitch turning square & hauritz looking nigh on unplayable while ponting looking smug. Tension palpable in the ground, dressing room & so many drawing rooms in India. VVS will come, mark his guard & bisect the gap between mid on & mid wicket off the 1st ball he faces from Hauritz. And we'll all relax & breathe again.

  • laxman_sachin_devotee on August 10, 2010, 11:35 GMT

    7. 69 off 127 on a track on which the mighty Aussies got bowled over for 93 on the same day & Clarke scuttled 6 Indian wickets 8. 104 against SL to rescue India from 97/5 to 398 & ensure that instead of drawing the series 1-1, India won it 2-0 9. 100 & 63 in 3rd test in WI to earn a draw which ensured the series was 0-0 going into the final test that India won. 10. Top scorer in India's only test win in SA till date with a valuable 73 batting with the tail to ensure that India had enough runs in the bank, even though Ganguly got all the hype as this was his comeback test. But that is what always happens with Laxman. 11. 72* to rescue India from 93/5 to 276 at Kotla against Pak & that was the only result in a 3 match series. 12. 79 off 130 at Perth to take India to 294 from 125/5 & set Aussies a target in excess of 400, which meant the 1st loss for them in Perth in a decade 13. 42* off 142 in 3 hours to draw the 1st test against Aus in Bangalore & pave the way for a 2-0 series win.

  • laxman_sachin_devotee on August 10, 2010, 11:33 GMT

    Will this selection panel be also guilty of the offense of not backing a batsman of VVS Laxman's class & ability to make most high pressure situations look like a walk in the park? If they are, they would have to make themselves blind to his record against the best team of his generation(arguably of all time) not just in India but also in their backyard. No one can forget 281, the greatest test innings by an Indian ever, & by a considerable margin, but these innings are often forgotten: 1. 66 off 82 in Chennai 2001 4th innings when India lost 8 wickets in the chase of 153 2. 2 fifties & MOM in India's 1st test win in WI after 26 years 3. 154* in 9 hours to save a test at Kolkata against WI 4. 171 unbeaten runs in more than 10 hours which saved India the embarrassment of losing a test series at home against NZ 5. 148 & 32 off 34 in a tricky chase of 230 at Adelaide to play the perfect foil to Dravid 6. 178 in SCG where he dazzled even Sachin with his sublime strokeplay

  • cricinme on August 10, 2010, 11:02 GMT

    I have seen many people voting for Zaheer Khan. How many test matches has he played ever since he started playing for India. He either gets injured before the start of the series or during the series or end of the series. He does not maintain his fitness/stamina that need to be maintained by a fast bowler. It is a shame that we have been over dependent on him. The same can be said of Munaf Patel as well. I would vote for Srinath or even Prabhakar to partner Kapil dev, indias most fit bowler for the opening bowler slot.

  • on August 10, 2010, 10:48 GMT

    Dravid and Sachin are certainly in, so there's just one slot I guess

  • RogerC on August 10, 2010, 10:36 GMT

    If the selectors look for pure guts and class, Mohinder Amarnath should be in the team. But will they?

  • on August 10, 2010, 9:59 GMT

    Rahul and Sachin pick themselves without a semblance of doubt....then comes the big quiesiton: lakshman or Vishy .I am tempted to go with Lakshman; both Vishy and Lakshman have contributed when it mattered the most.....and both are known for the aesthetic value attached to their batsmanship, and to top it all both fared incredibly well against the predominantly dominant teams of their eras, namely Windies and the Aussies. but I would go with lakshman as building a team's innings is all about partnerships; and the understanding and camaraderie that Lakshman shares with Rahul and Sachin is remarkable. They really understand each other's game, and compliment each other so remarkably well during the course of a partnership. Hence Rahul, Sachin and Lakshman are my choices.

  • kapilesh23 on August 10, 2010, 9:41 GMT

    sunny gavaskar ,hazare and other batsman played west indian great fast bowlers without helmet is a great thing but that does not mean that they are greater than modern stalwarts .it is not laxmans fault that he never got a chance to play against those fast bowlers .i would definitely select dravid ,sachin and laxman .the fact that there will be no left handed batsman in team does not give saurav ganguly a chance in all time eleven .if all other right handed batsman were better than him so there is no question of choosing him .

  • criccylife on August 10, 2010, 9:18 GMT

    Actually Viswanath should be as much of an automatic choice as Tendulkar. His stats don't do justice to his brilliance, as was the case with Trumper. He was not just a stylish and graceful player; he was a player who would make valuable runs when others struggled. On a bad wicket against high quality pace / spin bowling, he is perhaps the best batsman India has ever had. He was definitely a master of taking the fight to the bowlers in such conditions.

  • Nitold123 on August 10, 2010, 8:49 GMT

    Quite amazed to look at the famed Fab 4's averages in South Africa. Lax 41.1 (respectable), Sach 39.8, Gang 36.1 and Drav 33.6.And we say, only Ganguly can't play on SA pitches :). Hope Sach sets it right this winter although, I don't imply he has a point to prove ( maybe just to make his stats look as good 50 years down the line when no one sees him play). Even Azhar had a poor average of 23.3 in SA. I do feel India's recent batting greats have not been able to conquer SA. Even the past batting greats, apart from Gavaskar (even his record in SL was not great but we can ignore it coz his home avg is 50+ and conditions are similar), seem to have quite a few questions marks over their test batting records. The 3rd MO spot is a real teaser of ethos, logos and pathos as well!

    Honestly, I feel that the Aus, WI, Eng, Pak teams selected had much fewer question marks. Although, I do not question the ability of an all time Indian team to surprise some of these teams in a hypothetical match-up

  • Neelabh-budaun on August 10, 2010, 8:42 GMT

    My all time Indian XI for Test matches is : Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin, Laxman, Mohinder Amarnath, Dhoni (captain/keeper),Kapil, zaheer, Kumble, chandrashekhar, 12th Harbhajan/Srinath.

    This is perfectly balanced side.

  • errapalliprasanna on August 10, 2010, 8:23 GMT

    Dravid, Tendulkar and Vishwanath. Period.

  • SOURAV_LIVE on August 10, 2010, 8:21 GMT

    MY TEAM:IT MAY NOT BE THE IDEAL TEAM BUST THE BEST IN BUSINESS: 1-SUNIL GAVASKAR 2-VIRENDER SEHWAG 3-RAHUL DRAVID 4-SACHIN TENDULKAR 5-VVS LAXMAN 6-MS DHONI(wc)(C) 7-KAPIL DEV 8-ANIL KUMBLE 9-BS CHANDRASEKHAR 10-ZAHEER KHAN 11-JAVAGAL SRINATH 12-HARBHAJAN SINGH

  • sbbioman74 on August 10, 2010, 8:09 GMT

    first four are certain: gavaskar. sehwag, dravid, sachin. 5th one uncertain. if 5th player is not a left handed batsman, then the whole XI will not have a single left hander. even left handed bowlers from india mostly bat right handed!!!! so, ganguly has to be there as a lone left hander. plus he can be the captain.he can bowl and can swing the ball. he will be a suspect against short-pitched stuff, but, late in his career he took steve waugh approach of getting-hurt-by-bouncers-but-will-not-get-out. so, he can fit in. imagine all batsmen are right handers,then, opponent team can easily pick left arm quicks for different angle or left arm spinners to wreck havoc, even if indian batters are good players of spin. but it is difficult to play away going delivery as freely as that comes towards you(from the point of view of scoring runs only, not losing wicket:that depends).sourav adds character to the team. but laxman, azhar, vishy, vengsarkar are/were better batter than sourav.

  • on August 10, 2010, 7:28 GMT

    Having started following cricket only from the mid eigthies, my selection will definitely be skewed. So... Sachin obviously picks himself. Mohinder vs Dravid: Bit tight. Will go for Jimmy at his prime here since he has faced the best of the fastest at their best. (How well does he handle spin?) Azhar vs Vishwanath: Vishy's reputation is higher but Azhar I have watched. Again tight. Probably go with Azhar due to his fielding plus. (Yeah..No fair) Also due to emotional reasons Saurav(ahead of VVS and Vengsarkar). Also since he will add variety as a southpaw. And more likely my choice of captain as well. So Amarnath,Tendulkar,Saurav and Azhar.

  • rahulsachin on August 10, 2010, 6:57 GMT

    Dravid and Sachin pick themselves. Azhar, Laxman and Hazare are three who compete for the third spot according to me. Hazare does not have too good a record outside india, he averages only 35. Between Azhar and Laxman i'll go for Laxman just because he has played many more match winning/saving innings for India. So 3. Dravid 4. The Master 5. Laxman it is

  • cricfanraj on August 10, 2010, 6:34 GMT

    Just to have a debate, din't you observe even our all time 11 also will have weak bowling (Compare to rest of the teams) . Kapil was a good bowler(He was a very good swing bowler but I don't think openers would afrid to face a red cherry against Kapil vs say Marshal/Lille /Imran or even Hadlee). Zaheer and Sreenath in All time 11 it self tell the story (Assuming these two will lead pace bowling).To put bluntly I think these two guys will make a 3rd seamer position when you are selecting a good current team forget about all time 11. May be spin is good with Kumble & Prasanna / Chandra . I prefer Prasanna over Chandra because Prasanna is an offspin bowler and really a very good bowler. But do you think this attack will goto say Pakistan and get a guy like Zaheer Abbas out or goto Australia and get the team out twice. Hmm Our batting looks fantastic but can't say samething about bowling.

  • buntyj on August 10, 2010, 6:16 GMT

    i would mention here that though i included sunny n sachin in my xi, i actually preferred to watch vishy, laxman n dravid who were my favourites at the times; it was heart wrenching to leave them out; but i do believe dravid would rank behind hazare or merchant at no 3 (1 comment suggested viru opening with sunny with merchant at no 3- this could be a very good idea) in case of uncovered pitches and no helmets; and mohinder ahead at no 3 or 5 in case of helmets; actually lala n jimmy amarnath, engineer, pataudi, were amongst the best indian players of the hook shot and thats the reason i opted for tiger over vvs at no 5 and 1 more reason for farouk at no 6, as a batting allrounder who can bowl medium pace surely lala would rate ahead of jimmy or dada? he kept wickets too in an emergency. i do believe 5 genuine bowlers including kapil are necessary since other all time xi s have strong lineups including a no of batsman who scored heavily in india too; gupte had a good overseas record

  • Alok77 on August 10, 2010, 5:34 GMT

    I wish Cricinfo Panel would pick the best team and Hopefully my best picks would be there. cheers. Alok

  • rahuja on August 10, 2010, 5:28 GMT

    My India XI - one that will have a fair chance of winning everywhere against the other great XIs. Leaving enough choices there for people with preferences. The key point is that this team needs to have two good pacers, two excellent spinners, two part-timers (one spinner, one medium pacer). Given India's bowling over ages it is bound to end up being compared to all the other XIs, the batting thus should be pretty solid. As the current test team has shown - India is an anomoly, where the victories come due to the superlative batting, being ably supported by decent bowlers. (Unlike the great west indian and australian teams where bowling was miles above the competing field). 1. Sehwag (excellent part-time spinner) 2. Gavaskar 3. Dravid 4. Tendulkar 5. Vishy/VVS 6. Ganguly/M.Amarnath (pretty decent medium pacers) 7. Kapil Dev 8. Engineer/Kirmani 9. Kumble 10. Srinath 11. Bedi/Prasanna

  • Longmemory on August 10, 2010, 5:26 GMT

    @Jim1207 - two minor points in response to your response to me. First, read Menon's article carefully. He is NOT referring only to India's middle order (the "fab four") when he describes India as the "best batting side" of the 1990s and 2000s. He is referring to the entire side. So, its perfectly fair to include Langer, Hayden, Gilchrist et al as I did in saying India was perhaps one of the best batting sides during that period and not necessarily "the best". Secondly, its pretty obvious that you are assuming things about my nationality in your comment. I wonder how and why. Let me give you a clue (though it does perhaps date me a bit) - my shoes are Japanese, my trousers are English, the hat on my head is Russian - but my heart remains forever Indian." ;)

  • on August 10, 2010, 5:24 GMT

    my team viru,sunny,jammy,master,vvs,vinoo mankad,dhoni,kapildev,anil kumble,zaheer khan,ishant sharma

  • silverfan on August 10, 2010, 5:04 GMT

    Very few so called greats have managed to do what Jimmy Amarnath did in 1982-83. On fast tracks in Pakistan, he faced Imran at his best. Then on to WI, where he faced the fearsome Marshall, Holding, Garner and Roberts. Batting#3, he was usually at the crease in the first 10 minutes. He does not have the statistical record of a Gavaskar or a Vengsarkar because he never got to pad his scores on friendlier pitches against mediocre bowlers. His best years were spent playing for Delhi. Then finally onto the World Cup in 1983. No Jimmy, No World Cup.

    Batting #3 for my team --- Jimmy Amarnath

  • on August 10, 2010, 4:27 GMT

    What an enviable problem to have in selecting Indian all-time middle order!! Every player selected by the jury deserves to be there. However as you can pick only four, my selection woul be Dravid, Tendulkar, Vishy and Umrigar. That gives you players with a mix of caution/aggression. I have picked Polly Umrigar as probably the best all rounder after Kapil and since picking him will allow me to play more spinners in my side. Pity I can't include Hazaare, Mohinder and VVS; who raised their game against the best teams of their times away from home. Not to mention Tiger who played fearsome bowling without helmets/protective equipment with one eye!! That leaves some artists like Azhar, Vengsarkar and Ganguly; even before completing this, I feel I have aleady erred in my selection!

  • KrupeshPatel on August 10, 2010, 4:22 GMT

    The Master SACHIN, The Wall DRAVID and The Wristy VISHWNATH......... is enough to scare any bowling attack.................

  • Nayeem_Kohir on August 10, 2010, 3:51 GMT

    3. Rahul Dravid 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. Vishwanath 6. Md. Azharuddin. They are the four best and the argument should be put to rest here. Players like Mohinder Amarnath and Sourav Ganguly were good players, but not the kind to make an Indian all time XI and do not deserve to be mentioned among the nominees. I would rather have Kambli instead of Ganguly. VVS Laxman is as talented as a batsman as anyone mentioned in the list, and hence when there is not much to differentiate between Vishy, Azhar, and Laxman as test batsman, the fielding has to be considered. I do not need to mention that Azhar was the best fielder that India has ever produced and a great batsman in both forms of the game compared to VVS, and may be even Vishy who were poor in shorter formats of the game. Azhar might also emerge as one of the strong contender for the captaincy given that Pataudi is unlikely to make the XI. Vengsarkar was good, but not better than Azhar or Vishy.

  • RATNESH64 on August 10, 2010, 3:21 GMT

    My dream eleven.....1.Sunil Gavaskar(Captain),2.Virendra Sehwag,3.Rahul Dravin,4..GOD OF CRICKET,5.V.V.S.Laxman or Vinu Mankad,6.Kapil Dev 7.M.S.Dhoni(w.k.& v.c.) 8.Jagawal Shrinath,9.Zaheer Khan,10.Anil Kumble,11.B.S.Chandrashekher, 12th man Mohindra Amarnath

  • harshalb on August 10, 2010, 3:01 GMT

    Posted by khurramlone on (August 09 2010, 13:18 PM GMT) Tendulkar, Hazare, and VVS. Painful to leave out Vishwanath or Dravid, but I think leaving Hazare out of any Indian team would be like leaving out George Headley from any West Indian team.

    easily the best comment here is by khurram! with due respect to kumble, dravid, ganguli etc...most people commenting here forget that india produced greats even before 1970s. when we had spinners like prasanna chandra and gupte, how can we include kumble? most people who saw gupte rated him above warne - easily. hazare and merchant were as good as any greats. i would take a 3rd opener merchant than dravid and hazare is as assured as SRT.

    Sunny Viru Merchant - with Honorable mention of Dravid SRT Hazare Engineer or Kiri Kapil Nissar Srinath - or Mankad on certain wickets Prasanna Gupte

    No players offering fourth seamer and fourth spinner options need be discussed when you choose quality over quantity

  • on August 10, 2010, 2:49 GMT

    Sachin and Dravid. I think everyone getting biased towards VVS by the last test in Sri Lanka. I picked Mohinder for his fighting abilities to come back into the team and perform everytime he was dropped. Tough choice but I am justified. He can also bowl a bit ( remember World Cup 83 though it was one day event).

  • arpitdas452 on August 10, 2010, 2:46 GMT

    why u guyzz forgetting dat a left hander is required in the batting line up... so,obviously sourav makes it to the list to bring a variation to the batting line up...he would be the third choice after sachin and rahul... and some r pointing to his poor batting average, bt all should remember he always came at no. 5 or 6 to bat so was mostly stranded with the tail... same is with laxman also...

  • nikita_karthick on August 10, 2010, 2:28 GMT

    I want to see MR.CK Naidu as a captain and as a all rounder in the squad. He can bat @ 6 and more than a handy off spinner. Though he played less tests but his first class stats were amazing.

    CKN will give an option of playing 3 fast bowlers in over seas as well as can be used as a third spinner in sub continent.

    We need to have three fast bowlers in overseas ( recent victories in overseas) and three good spinners in sub continent ( Azhar Era). So CKN will provide right balance to the perfect X1.

    So my 6 will be CKN

  • on August 10, 2010, 2:21 GMT

    I let my wife pick the middle order and she picked 1. Pataudi 2. Dravid and 3. Mohinder . I asked the obvious question - "what, no sachin ?" to which she responds "oh the 3 best batsmen ? I thought you meant the 3 most good looking". Still wouldn't be a bad team I say !

  • RayShaumik on August 10, 2010, 1:53 GMT

    It's is really SURPRISING to see Ganguly's name in the list. His Test Record is very very ordinary.. Amarnath, Umrigar and Hazare's records are far better and against much quality bowling!!

    And as far as captaincy record goes I FIND IT HILLARIOUS WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HE BEING THE GREATEST CAPTAIN FOR INDIA... OUT OF 21 TEST WINS 9 ARE AGAINST ZIMBABWE AND BANGLADESH ( DO PEOPLE OF MY COUNTRY EVEN KNOW THAT!!!??)

    For me. the mid order should be Dravid, Tendulkar, Vishwanath/Amarnath.

  • on August 10, 2010, 1:52 GMT

    Dravid and that other player (whose name I find hard to recollect :)) select themselves.

    To me, the next spot is between Vishy and Vengsarkar. Couldn;t go wrong either way 1

  • on August 10, 2010, 1:46 GMT

    Middle order batsman are Vijay Hazare, Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid. But its not fair to choose only 3 Players from this list, but its the rule so My three Middle order bastmans are Hazare, Tendulkar and Dravid.

  • manasvi_lingam on August 10, 2010, 1:42 GMT

    Sachin and Dravid pick themselves. Ok, there might be a few who will not opt for Dravid but the man's overseas average is higher than every batsman on the list and that too after 130+ matches. And one down is a specialist position that only Dravid can occupy. Tendulkar selects himself. C.K. Nayudu is a joke - even on bowling pitches people like Hammond averaged much higher. Pataudi could have been a better batsman but his lack of an eye prevented him. The choice boils down to a few choices 1) Vengsarkar, Vishy and Azhar had poor away averages and records against the top teams. 2) Ganguly had a poor average against Australia and South Africa. Bonus: Great captaincy 3) Umrigar had bad averages against Aus and England. Bonus: Useful bowling 4) Amarnath was curiously poor on the spinning home pitches. Thus, it's between hazare and Laxman. Given that the former played in a weaker team, on more hostile pitches and was a useful bowler, the third is Hazare

  • Chatla on August 10, 2010, 1:42 GMT

    @Cricinfo, You just need 3 middle order batsmen? 4 is fair. My 4 Middle order choice: Dravid, Tendulkar, Azhar, Vijay Hazare. Kapil Dev comes as an all-rounder and pace bowler.

  • Chatla on August 10, 2010, 1:33 GMT

    Even though this article is belongs to Middle Order batsmen. I have seen guys posting all time XI of their choices. But the BIG JOKE OF CENTURY IS IF YOU PICK DHONI INTO ALL TIME XI. He has achieved nothing impressive to be in all time XI. It's not T20 that we won by lots of luck. Recent performance by Tendulkar and VVS is what we expect when matters.

  • manivarma on August 10, 2010, 1:03 GMT

    It should be Dravid,Sachin,Azhar,Laxman...... hey wat do u think guys

  • sandeshrai on August 10, 2010, 0:16 GMT

    My Team: Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, G R Vishwanath, MS Dhoni, Kapil Dev, Zaheer Khan, Anil Kumble, J Srinath, Prasanna.

    The fact that we only have Srinath and Zaheer as the best picks for fast bowling shows how bare our fast bowling cupboard has always been :(.

  • alilone on August 9, 2010, 23:56 GMT

    I am afraid I have to go Tendulkar, Dravid, Amarnath based on overseas records. I had to struggle hard to not include Laxman. Ganguly appeared in my analysis. Azhar was thought of. I think the game has gotten so much more competitive since 80's, including any player before that may be questionable. If interested see this query:

    http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=25;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=7;opposition=8;opposition=9;orderby=batting_average;player_involve=1491;player_involve=2024;player_involve=3317;size=100;team=6;template=results;type=batting

  • hatrick26 on August 9, 2010, 23:45 GMT

    Few of the posters are clueless about this article/feature. This is just a short list of players for the middle order of India's all time XI . They are asking why Kumble is not listed or Sunny /Kapil is not listed. Kumble would not be here as he is a bowler and Sunny was already covered for openers' slot and Kapil/Mankad or any other Indians not as strict middle-order batsmen would not be in this list.

  • VK10 on August 9, 2010, 23:01 GMT

    (Dravid, SRT, Hazare, VVS) or (Dravid, SRT, VVS, Vengsarkar). 1. Not having seen Hazare, one has to go by his stats, reputation, and role in Indian cricket development ... in that case, he walks in at No. 5. Otherwise, I think its VVS and Vengsarkar (who was more consistent, but less talented, than Vishy). 2. At #5, VVS will have enough room to play a big innings. Similarly under-rated, Vengsarkar arguably played swing bowling better than any Indian batsman ever and arguably played spinners better than any other batsman of his generation not named Miandad.

  • Shripathi on August 9, 2010, 22:41 GMT

    Again, the XI: Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Hazare, Vinoo Mankad, Kapil Dev, Kirmani, Kumble, Srinath, Zaheer Khan.

    Two spinners, three pacers, Sehwag, Hazare as part-timers.

    Nissar,, Amar Singh, Merchant etc. have either not played enough tests or do not have stupendous average-backed careers that replace anyone in the XI

  • rmurari on August 9, 2010, 22:37 GMT

    Having spanned the 2 generations, my top 4 across opener/middle order are Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Dravid and Viswanath. The reason for Gava and Vishy is the quality of pace bowling they faced - Marshall, Garner, Holding, Roberts, Imran, Lillee, Hadlee - there were no gimmes. And the quality of pitches were far worse. Essentially you had a chance if Gava was still in and if you lost all hope - Vishy would hold us up. Happened too often for me to ignore the two who kept India in games and were our batting match winners. Tendulkar and Dravid are obvious selections. Vengsarkar was suspect to the short pitched rising delivery and Mohinder had IMHO just 2 series of great impact - when Imran and Marshall ran riot for Pak and the Windies respectively. I dont think Laxman and Ganguly could have stood up to the Windies battery of pace bowlers.

  • GB_Cricket on August 9, 2010, 22:07 GMT

    My Indian XI

    1 SM Gavaskar 2 V Sehwag 3 R Dravid 4 S Tendulkar 5 VVS Laxman 6 MS Dhoni 7 Kapil Dev 8 A Kumble 9 J Srinath 10 Zaheer Khan 11 B Chandrashekhar

    We can't argue here about top 4 batting positions plus Kapil, Kumble and Srinath's spot. Among the rest, I picked Laxman ahead of Vishy, Ganguly, Azhar and Vengsarkar because of his ability to remain calm and play under pressure. He's done it time and again against the best bowling attacks. Dhoni is the best wicket keeper batsman India has got in many years. Farokh Engineer was good too but batted as an opener. Dhoni has got the ability to change gears according to the situation too. Zaheer Khan's performance over the years has made him the worthiest fast bowler to bowl alongside Kapil & Srinath. Also having a left armer gives extra venom to the pace attack. At no 11, we have Kumble's idol Bhagwat Chandrashekhar, the most lethal bowler among India's spin quartret of 60s and 70s as his record suggests.

  • on August 9, 2010, 22:01 GMT

    Bizzare there is a place for CK Nayudu and Azharuddin but none for more accomplished batsman such as Vijay Manjrekar and Dilip Sarsesai?

  • Nampally on August 9, 2010, 21:16 GMT

    Suresh: with a middle order of just 3 names to be selected, you hardly give chance for a fair selection. Hazare & Merchant more or less were god fathers of cricket in 40's and Umrigar & Mankad dominated the game in late 40's to early 60's. These guys were more or less the team batting and had to score to save Indian humiliation. Today we have Sehwag at the top followed by Rahul, Sachin & VVS each capable of scoring a century - so the pressure on each is lower. If you go by just averages, Hazare with an average of 47 from 30 tests & Umrigar with an average of 42 from 59 tests do not match with Rahul or Sachin each with average above 5o from 145 &170 tests. Yet Hazare & Umrigar were the Gurus, heart & Soul of the Indian batting. I personally like all 4 in the middle order because Umrigar & Hazare(both all rounders who captained India) batted #3 & #4 the same as Dravid & Sachin. The Jury has a tough choice but I think these 4 form the best choice of middle order amongst all the names..

  • crazyhead on August 9, 2010, 21:14 GMT

    I have been following India cricket for over 25 years now.. Even though the list is long, there 1 obvious choice. Tendulkar.

    Next, Rahul Dravid has to take the other spot for his overseas record and for good 5-6 he was India;s best TEST batsman ( especially between 2001-2006). No other Indian batsman has such wonderful away record. This seals Rahul.

    Now the final spot, the most tricky one.. Let me tell u, good players like Ganguly, vengsarkar, amarnath and Patudi have to be ruled out.. They can't make all time XI on their own. At their peak also, they were bestmen.

    VVS, vishy, azhar and hazare are clear matchwinners.Lets filter them out. I have not seen Hazare too much, but his record is very good. But dont know if it is good enough to be in ALL TIME XI. Azhar will go away considering his overseas record( but what an artist he was). Finally, Vishy and VVS.. Now, the guy for pressure cooker situation is , hands down VVS. Go VVS Go! The biggest apology for me here is Vishy.. Sorry!

  • on August 9, 2010, 21:00 GMT

    You gotaa be kidding me........How did Ganguly fit in Test team after 2003? Leave alone all-time XI :)

    Devang Gandhi/Sanjay Manjrekar/Manoj Prabhakar/Vinod Kambli/Ajay Jadeja/Ravi Shastri/Deep Das Gupta/Shiv sundar Das/Ramesh/Gambir... were better test batsmen than Ganguly

  • Rhushi on August 9, 2010, 20:53 GMT

    I sincerely hope that there will be a fair debate only for one slot. I was utterly surprised to see that Brian Lara was not a unanimous selection for West Indies all time XI and I must say, I'll be equally shocked if Rahul Dravid doesn't get all the votes. I agree that this is an all time XI and we need to consider all the factors (uncovered pitches, lack of protective gear, development of technique over the years). Having said that, unlike others, Indian cricket team has peaked only in the recent past, thanks largely to the middle order. So, I would not mind even if a lot of current players feature in all time India XI. Debate for the third spot between Vishy, VVS, Hazare and Vengsarkar will be fair and I am sure any of these players will be a great choice. Since we select players at the best of their ability in testing conditions against a top class bowling attack, my personal choice for the no. 5 spot would the "Very Very Special".

  • vikram_roy on August 9, 2010, 20:12 GMT

    You pick a side fine . But am sure the side will have a captain . Dont tell me you are going to pick anyone else other than Ganguly as captain ? Look at the picture in the article .. he stands a tiger , a man among boys !!

  • Murtaza. on August 9, 2010, 20:10 GMT

    My best four are: Dravid at three, Tendulker at four, Gundappa Viswanath or Azhar uddin at 5.

  • on August 9, 2010, 20:02 GMT

    my choice of an all time india 11... 1 . Sehwag 2. Gavaskar 3. Dravid 4. Tendulkar 5 . Dada[C] 6. Laxman 7. Dhoni [WK] 8. Kapil Dev 9. Javagal Srinath 10. Harbhajan Singh 11. Anil Kumble 12 Zaheer Khan... bring on the aussies... this side will beat any oz side black and blue any day on any track

  • AncientAstronaut on August 9, 2010, 20:01 GMT

    Don't know much about the older folks in the list, but Sachin, Dravid, and Laxman can easily by picked without thinking twice. Their performances and averages speak for themselves.

  • on August 9, 2010, 19:48 GMT

    I go with Dravid,Sachin n Vishy... Thought for a while whether to go for Vishy or Lax, but finally went with Vishy...NO offence meant to others... all r gr8 players who made India proud.. thanks a lot to all of you..

  • Rajesh. on August 9, 2010, 19:40 GMT

    Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, VVS Laxman. Period !!!!!

  • on August 9, 2010, 19:30 GMT

    Sachin, Rahul and Sourav. Sourav as the skipper of the side, as well as to lend balance as the only left hander...

  • montys_muse on August 9, 2010, 19:26 GMT

    The Wall, The Little Master and The Very Very Special...

  • salildixit67 on August 9, 2010, 19:14 GMT

    if gavaskar & sehwag are opener then why not 'merchant' can bat in middle order . 'merchant' was real genius like 'gavaskar and 'tendulkar' . any good batsman, which is opener, can bat easily in middle . suppose barry richards and jack hobbs are indian & you choose 'gavaskar and 'hobbs' for opening slots then is it right move to select 'azhar' or vishy' or 'laxman' over 'barry richards' .

  • on August 9, 2010, 19:09 GMT

    Dravir and Tendulkar for sure. Will have to go with Laxman or Mohinderor Hazare over Vishy and Vengsarkar. While Vishy was fantastic on 'bad' pitches (like melbourne, Lords, Madras) and scored when no one else could, he perhaps lingered on too long and had quite a few poor series (like against Imran). Vengsarkar was quite poor outside India, in spite of 3 centuries at lords (check his average outside India) and had a purple patch for a couple of years in 80s. Azhar was a joke against quality bowlong. Pataudi was a case of could-have-been. Nayadu played too little. If I were a pick a pure batsman I would pick Laxman, given his record against Australians and his superb consistency. Hazare is close. But Mohinder wins out because of his record against best bowling ever (Imran and WI outside India) and also his ability to bowl (OK, he was a lousy bowler) as India will need a fifth bowler. Now, if Kapil dev and Vinoo Mankad are both selected along with 3 other bowler, I would opt for Laxman

  • ad-infinitum on August 9, 2010, 19:04 GMT

    its a straight choice between vvs and vishy.

  • on August 9, 2010, 19:01 GMT

    wht u ppl r sayin??? do u realise.... Legends from all around the world think... Vishy was ON PAR with Gavaskar.... ask Gavaskar himself.... anyways.. apart from that.. u ppl realise, if Vishy scores a century... India never loses... check the stats. just dont go by avgs. now even sangakaara and jayawardane has avg above 50. but do u realise their records outside home??? vishy is way above laxman... but I would go by Dravid @ 3, Tendulkar @ 4, vishy @ 5 and Laxman @ 6 though i want Jimmy too..

  • sudarsn on August 9, 2010, 18:55 GMT

    INDIAN CRICKET STARTED LOOKING UP WITH THE ADVENT OF SUNIL GAVASKAR AND KAPIL DEV THEN CAME AZHAR, SACHIN ,GANGULY ,DRAVID,VVS,DHONI,SEWAG, A TEAM IS NO 1 BECAUSE OF THE CLASS OF PLAYERS. AGREED WE HAD IN CK,VINOO MANKAD,POLLY,MERCHANT VISHY,SOLKAR JAI, ALL GREAT CRICKETERS BUT IS THE TEAM GUD FOR WIN.....HENCE MY ALL TIME GREAT WILL BE....... 1.SHEWAG,2.GAVASKAR,3 DRAVID,4 SACHIN,5 VVS,6.KAPIL,7 DHONI,8 ZKHAN 9.KUMBLE,10.PRASSANA,11. BEDI OR CHANDRA,12TH MAN AZHAR.....PRASSANA,BEDI CHANDRA WERE THE BEST SPINNERS AND KUMBLE THE BEST ACHEIVER,HENCE KUMBLE LIKE SACHIN IS A MUST IN ANYSIDE, DHONI OVERTAKES KIRI BECAUSE HE IS A GOOD CAPTAIN ,MOTIVATOR ,NEVER FAILS WITH BAT, COOLEST OF THEM ALL.....PL DONOT FORGET IF THERE WAS A DESTROYER OF BOWLERS LIKE SHEWAG IT WAS KRISH SRIKANTH ,SORRY NO PLACE HENCE HE REMAINS OUR ALL TIME SELECTOR

  • animanis on August 9, 2010, 18:41 GMT

    My picks - 1. Gavaskar, 2. Sehwag, 3. Dravid, 4. Tendulkar, 5. Laxman, 6. Dhoni, 7. Kapil, 8. Kumble, 8. Harbhajan, 10. Zaheer, 11. Ishant.

    I've heavily weighted the side towards the present day simply because this is the first era in which the team has become the No. 1 Test side.

    Also including Ishant for the X-factor that comes with a genuine paceman. The rest of the choices I believe are uncontrovertible. Each performer here has performed against the best team of its era.

  • on August 9, 2010, 18:32 GMT

    azhar should not be considered solely based on his involvement in match fixing

  • sumanm88 on August 9, 2010, 18:28 GMT

    He was is in the Bradman's all time xi,he was in the world xi,he topped the warne's list of world's top batsmen,he has the highest centuries,runs,played maximum matches...the list never ends.His mere presence in the field brings joy to million heats.Does he really require any kind of voting to find a place in the India all time xi?Isn't it a insult to this great person.even the gods would put him all time xi !!

  • mrgupta on August 9, 2010, 18:23 GMT

    I would say Dravid and Sachin are certainties in any Indian batting lineup. It would have been great If Laxman can also be accomodated. But one Man i would definitely hope to be in the final XI will be our own Sourav Da. I wont say he was a better batsment than Vengsarkar or Azhar or maybe Vishy but he should be there purly for his Captaincy. The Best Captain we ever had, the Man who taught us how to win and look eye to eye to even the most fearsome opponent. Before him we had a good team but we cudnt bee a force in Cricket and the current No.1 ranking of Team India is because of his efforts. For me the lineup would be 1. Sunny 2. Viru 3. 'The Wall' 4. 'The Master' 5. Dada 6. Kapil Paaji 7. Kirmani 8. Jumbo(Kumble) 9. Srinath 10. Zaheer 11. BS Chandrashekhar

  • Sreerang on August 9, 2010, 18:11 GMT

    Overall, I guess for the all time team, 3 names are fixed in everybody's list & rightly so- Gavaskar, Tendulkar & Kapil. These guys have to be there. One can add two more names to these 3- that of Sehwag & Dravid. Some people may not agree, but these 5 will eventually be in the team. (May I add that those who don't agree, need to learn more about cricket!) So the selection is for the remaining 6 spots. So guys make your picks. Tough! Very very tough!! : )

  • SDG1 on August 9, 2010, 18:06 GMT

    my team is: gavaskar,sehwag,dravid,sachin,ganguly(c),laxman,kirmani,kapil,srinath,zaheer,kumble.

    It will beat any other all time best XI including the West Indies.

  • on August 9, 2010, 18:03 GMT

    No doubt Sachin and Dravid ensure 2 spots but for the 3rd spot,Just comparing home and away avg. of some of these players i know everyone is special in his own way but... Viswanath: avg better @ home but away drops by 10 and in 4th innings, it drops further. Vijay Hajare: his away avg cuts to half of his home avg Amarnath: his away avg is almost double to his home avg. strange! But 4th inning avg drops considerably. Vengsarkar: home 56 but away drops to 32 and 4th inning further down to 29 Azhar: 56 at home but 36 away and 32 in 4th inn. Laxman: almost no change playing home or away or any inning Ganguly: playing at home in favorable conditions or away ,batting in any inning his avg remains the same.

    Still Laxman and Ganguly needs to prove something..? very very strange!

  • on August 9, 2010, 17:58 GMT

    My three would be Dravid,Sachin and Azhar(was a magician when in full swing). I pick Azhar over the others because he was brilliant player of spin and an excellent fielder to top that which is a rarity to find in India. I pick him over Vishy and Laxman for his sheer brilliance in field. Also in this team he won't be playing his usual batting position and therefore more likely to play against the semi old ball which he should not have any problem with. The wickets in 70's-80's in India were as dead as they can be. Yes there were lot more classy fast bowlers in 80's but on the other hand there weren't that many great spinners(abdul qadir was the lone guy and he troubled the great WI team more than anyone else). Greatness cannot be defined just by how good you are against fast bowling.

  • anikbrad on August 9, 2010, 17:54 GMT

    SELECTIN ON NEXT PARAMETER. IN ABROAD THE AVG OF VISSY/AZH/VENS IS IN 30S BELOW PAR EVEN GANGULI AND UMRI HAS AV IN 40. AND ALL SAYS GANGULY IS BOGUS COMPARED TO VISSY/AND VENS. AND HE RAN FROM FAST BOWLING AND ON FAST PITCHES VISSY/ VEN WRE GREATS - GANGULY FACED WR/MUR/ DON/ POLLOK/SOHIB/ WAS/ MCGR/ WASH/ LEE TO NAME A FEW THE ONLY PLAYERS TO TOUCH 160KM EVER IS TAIT/LEE/SOHAIB. HE PLAYED ALL EASILY WIT AVG OF 48 VS PAK/ 35 VS AUS. SO THIS GREAT TALKS ABT GREAT TECHNIQ OF GREAT OLD GOES TO DRAIN. LAKSHMAN/ AVG 46 ABR AND AMARNATH AVG 51 AB. SO MY PEAK IN THIS SEGMENT IS AMARNATH. SO MAR1- AZHAR-1. AND ALL ARE SAYING AZAR THE TAINTED PERSONA. BUT LOOK AT THE AUS THE NEVER QUS WARNE/M.WAGH/ MARSH AS MATCH FIXERS THOUGH THEY ALL AGREED TO THE ALLIGATION AND WARNE WAS BANNED ONE YEAR FOR DOPING YET THEY AND EVEN ALL INDIAN LOVE HIM. ACTUALLY SOME INDIANS STILL ADORE WHITE SKIN AND SEE NO WRONG IN A FORAINER. EVEN BOTHAM AGREED-DOPING/BETTING. INRAN- BALL-TAMPER. GRAIG CHAPPEL-UNDER-ARM.

  • balajik1968 on August 9, 2010, 17:54 GMT

    Tough really tough. I don't know much about Pataudi, Hazare, Nayudu and Umrigar, so I won't talk about them. But the others still make it tough. There is too much competition for slots 3 and 4. For 3 Jimmy, Jammy and the Colonel. For 4 Sachin, Vishy and Vengsarkar. I am mentioning Vengsarkar in both slots because he did well in both slots. Any 2 of Ganguly, Azhar and Laxman should occupy the 5 and 6 slots, with both Ganguly and Laxman competing for no. 6 where both have done reasonably well. Not easy at all to decide.

  • on August 9, 2010, 17:51 GMT

    frankly speaking, I have seen only sachin,dravid,laxman,ganguly,azhar and vishwanath(some vedio clips) bat....so i will prefer sachin,dravid and laxman/azhar.. no offence to others...

  • Bryan999 on August 9, 2010, 17:44 GMT

    Already voted DRAVID,SACHIN, LAXMAN for 3rd,4th & 5th position. No offence! but hey guys! Why Vishy over Laxman? I would like to go for the one who is more consistant and performs when India needs.Vishy's inconsistancy in test pulls himself out of the contention for the 5th position. Compare the Test ave; Laxman (47.22) with Vishy (41.93) and other contenders; Vishy's first-class career average is below par (40.93) as compared to any other contenders (over 50). Please check the averages, dependability, performance and consistancy.He was least sung among the likes of SACHIN, DRAVID and SEHWAG.For me he is the best 5th batsman after SUNIL/SACHIN/SEHWAG/DRAVID. INDIA is TEST#1 because of SACHIN/DRAVID/SEHWAG/LAXMAN. They have to be in the all time India XI to keep INDIA in the contention of #1 among the other all time XI.

  • smits on August 9, 2010, 17:43 GMT

    My choice of an all time India XI will be as follows; Gavaskar, Merchant,Hazare,Tendulkar,Vishwanath,mankad, Engineer,Kapil Dev,Bedi, Amar Singh, Chandra. Rationale--2 opening bowlers with 1 medium pacer to back up. 3 spinners. 2 allrounders 1 batting keeper. 5 main batsmen. They should be able to play in all conditions, on all types of wicket. Choice of captain; unfortunately the best captain India has had doesn't make it to the XI----Tiger. So I have to settle for Gavaskar,as nobody understands the game better than him in this list. Kapil may be a more aggresive captain but with limited knowledge.

  • sanzo5 on August 9, 2010, 17:31 GMT

    my coice of middle order... dravid.. sachin and azhar...

  • AnfieldHeroes on August 9, 2010, 17:31 GMT

    Somebody out here told abt short ball weakness of Ganguly..I wud like to ask..how many Indian batsmen had been there who play short pitch ball well.. i wont go bck to T20 WC where Indian batsmen were split open by the mediocre WI attack by thr short pitch stuff.. Talking abt Ganguly's fielding..agreed his fielding isnt the strongest point but his bowling makes up for tht sply in swinging condition.. infact he had been the next genuine medium pace allrounder after Kapil Dev..also adding to that ..nobdy can take away his honour of being Nation's most successful Captain.. My alltime XI: SUNNY,VIRU,RAHUL,SACHIN,VENGSARKAR,SOURAV(C),KAPIL,DHONI(WK),ANIL,JAVAGAL,PRASANNA,CHANDRASEKHAR(12th Man)

  • anikbrad on August 9, 2010, 17:30 GMT

    OLD MASTERS/ UNCOVERED PITCH/ GREAT BOWLERS vs NEW ERA/ WEAKER BOWLER/ COVERED PITCH. IS IT SO LETS RELOOK? IN THE GREAT EAR OF AMAR/VISSY/VENS THEY FACED WI- MARSH/HOLD/ GAR/ ANDY. ENG-BATHAM/WIL. AUS-LILL/THOM. NZ-HAD/CHAT. PAK-IMRAM/QUADIR. SRI- DEMEL/RUMESH. TEND/AZR 90S ERA FACED WI-AMBR/WAL/BISH. SA-DON/POLLO. PAK-WAS/WAQ/MUS. AUS- MC/MCGRA/WAR/LEE. SRI-VAS/MUR. AS PER YOU THEY BOWD AT FT PTCH, WITH BETTER WICK/AVG AND RELOOK WHO GOT SELECTED IN OTHERV TEAMS EVEN BOT/IMR GOT SELECTED ON ALR CATAGORY.THE ERA IS OVR HYPED. AND HAD NOT GOT THE BEST EVER 2 BOWERS BORN- WAR/MUR. I HAV SEEN BOTH ERAS AND IN 90S I BLV MRE THINKING AND BETTER BOWRS CAME WITH BEST PACE/ SEAM/ SPIN. ANY ONE TO DISAGRE? THE POST 90S I TOO BIL THE BOWLING BECAME WEEK. SAME WITH PRE 60SERA. SO THE BEST NO 5 WOULD BE ON 1 PARAMETER AZHAR. AND NOT PRE 80S OR POST 90S PLEYERS. BUTIN MY NEXT COMMENT I PICK ON OTHER PARAMETER. I HAV NOT YET CONF AZHAR HE IS JUST 1-0 AHEAD.

  • on August 9, 2010, 17:25 GMT

    this is strange to see the all time test XI without a person, who nurtured India a most no. of Test wins...Yes..I mean without Anil Kumble this list is incomplete.......

  • farazzubair on August 9, 2010, 17:10 GMT

    My picks would be three here. I would go for 1. Sachin 2. Dravid 3. Vengsarkar. Laxman is someone I wasnt totally willing to drop, but he can be rather inconsistent. When he plays, he play magnificently, but if consistency is the mark, vengsarkar had all of it and against the best of attacks. Mohinder was another great player but who could do it in a series or two and then leave it point blank in the other. I would pick vengsarkar on the basis of consistency and his ability to perform outside the subcontinent and against some of the best in the business.

  • on August 9, 2010, 17:09 GMT

    i would like to see Rahul Dravid Sachin Tendulkar Sourav Ganguly

    most of the people i believe wont digest Ganguly's inclusion but i support him for his leadership skills, never say die attitude, his contribution with bowling.

  • on August 9, 2010, 17:01 GMT

    1. gavasker 2. v. shewag 3. r. dravid 4. s.tendulkar 5. m.azhar 6.m.dhoni 7. K.DEV 8.CHANDRASHEKHAR/ V.PRASAD 9.A.KUMBLE 10. z.khan 11.j. srinath

  • on August 9, 2010, 17:01 GMT

    Really sad to see people here picking Ganguly ahead of some actual greats. Sentiments, regional specially, has to be kept aside when a team has to be selected.

  • on August 9, 2010, 16:59 GMT

    The middle order is a toughie but my XI is SMG, Viru, RSD, SRT, GRV, Vinoo Mankad, KDev, SMHK (Wkp), Prasanna, Zaheer, Nissar

  • pranuzee on August 9, 2010, 16:53 GMT

    Jesus.... how can you guys even think of Ganguly in the XI.. sorry but just being the only lefthander in the list doesnt automatically get you a berth. My XI - Sunny, Viru, Dravid, Tendi, Azhar, Hazare, Kapil, More, Kumble, Srinath, Bedi.

  • adwait on August 9, 2010, 16:50 GMT

    Dravid n Tendulkar seal there spots in the line up... For the no 5 spot, i feel its between VVS n Vishy, India's best ever "crisis men"... I would go for Vishy though for the sole reason of India having not lost a single test match he has scored a hundred in... Also traditionally India has played with 6 batsmen n 4 bowlers, so Iwould pick up VVS at 6.. Saurav though makes a strong case being a left hander n the captain of this team!!

  • Fanofbaseball on August 9, 2010, 16:46 GMT

    Consider the all time XI pitted against best fast bowlers in the world in trying conditions (Windies quartet, Aussies - Lillie, Mcgrath and Thompson, SA - Donald, Pollock, Steyn, Pak - Imran, Wasim, Waqar). They would need to negotiate the bouncer well enough to qualify. Mohinder Amarnath is the only one on the list is a natural hooker of the bouncers. A Tendulkar, Dravid or Laxman can pull or duck under the bouncer well. Ganguly, Azhar or Vengsarkar are found wanting in this respect. That eliminates the 3 of them from the list in my view.

  • on August 9, 2010, 16:46 GMT

    There is no way sachin or dravid would be excluded from the India's all time 11. both are class players and have won many matches for india even outside the sub-continent which not many of the old players had manage to do it. the 3rd best i would pick be v.v.s laxman my test X! would be 1. gavaskar 2. sehwag 3. dravid 4. sachin 5. laxman 6. kapil dev 7.dhoni 8. srinath 9. zaheer 10.harbhajan 11.kumble

  • Trustworthy_Delhite on August 9, 2010, 16:42 GMT

    Sachin, Azharuddin, Pataudi and Vengsarkar.

  • on August 9, 2010, 16:41 GMT

    Amazing on the jury to find so many Indian men! Would have had sleepless nights in conjuring up such a list. Simple picks of Dravid, Sachin and Vishy. Amazing to throw names like Mohinder Amarnath. The easiest XI after may be Zimbabwae to pick of all the test playing options. Because we produce cricketers may be every decade!! But take ODI and you can load it with game changers. Test, leave alone!!

  • on August 9, 2010, 16:39 GMT

    Unanimously - Dravid, Sachin & VVS.

    Dravid: We watch test matches just because of Dravid

    Sachin: There's no religion without God

    VVS: Delivers most when team requires

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    Ganguly: How did he fit in Test team after 2003? Leave alone all-time XI :)

  • hogwarts_cricket on August 9, 2010, 16:38 GMT

    why are people giving such lame excuses for picking ganguly in the team. he was only successful as a captain because he had dravid, tendulkar and laxman in the team. he would push the others up the order in seaming conditions and came at number 3 on flat tracks. such a selfish bloke. he couldnt play fast bowling at all. such a poor record in australia and south africa on bouncy tracks. first select players on their merit and then choose an able leader from among them.

  • on August 9, 2010, 16:36 GMT

    My All time test XI would be : Sunil Gavaskar Virender Sehwag Rahul Dravid Sachin Tendulkar G.R Vishwanath Mohinder Amarnath (Batting All rounder) Kapil Dev (Captain) Syed Kirmani Anil Kumble Javagal Srinath EAS Prasanna

  • the_Srikanth on August 9, 2010, 16:32 GMT

    Why is Vinod kambli not nominated. Just look at his stats. An average of 54 is second only to Sachin's among Indians and 2 double hundreds so early in his career. Its true he messed up, but that should not matter as we are purely looking at records and talent here. Now some of you may argue that he had many flaws, but you dont make 4 big hundreds in your first 17 tests by fluke. you got to give it to the guy. and since this feature does not take into account things like attitude and behavior, I think Kambli must be an automatic choice into the middle order. If Shane Bond having played just 18 tests can find a place in their all time X1, why not Kambli.

    Ganguly deserves a place in the team, at least as an all rounder.

  • on August 9, 2010, 16:27 GMT

    India's all time great 11....

  • Fanofbaseball on August 9, 2010, 16:26 GMT

    All those who chose Vengsarkar over Laxman need to have their heads examined. Vengsarkar score 17 hundreds in his career. 13 of which came in India and 4 in England. In contrast, Laxman has scored 16 hundreds of which 7 came in India and 9 has come outside india (4 in Australia, 2 in West Indies, 1 in SL, 1 in NZ and 1 in Pak). Vengsarkar was a top order batsman who piled his hundreds on dead tracks in India during the dull 80's when most of the matches were a draw. Laxman has scored more than 3000 runs playing above position 6 most often fighting with the tail.

  • buntyj on August 9, 2010, 16:20 GMT

    most comments appear to ignore the facts that kumble, mankad, srinath had better bowling records at home or that mankad scored his big scores as opener not in the middle. mankad at 6 would not strengthen the team (kapil too scored heavily at 7,8,9 not higher), the bowling would be ineffective abroad- have you seen the batting line ups in the other all time teams and except new zealand they have good spinners too for india apart from pacers; i prefer to give more weight to overseas performances, valour vs short pitched bowling, technique vs swing, seam n spin; amarnath was overlooked by me assuming that to be representative 3/5 tests would be without helmets; otherwise his 80s overseas record was excellent; pataudi made it partly for his fielding; vishy was my personal favourite in the 70s ahead of sunny but the windies all time pacers were 76 onwards not the 2 knocks some mentioned overall his overseas record was less impressive than at home unlike pataudi

  • hogwarts_cricket on August 9, 2010, 16:19 GMT

    i cant understand why some dumb people are trying to be over smart by publishing the playing XI. cant you guys understand the you have to select the middle order only. such a waste of time picking the whole team. people were ridiculous enough to pick the playing XI even the last time around when they just had to pick the openers.

  • inswing on August 9, 2010, 16:17 GMT

    The number of guys picking Ganguly is shocking. He should not even be on this list. If you are Bengali and picked him, your parochialism can be forgiven. Otherwise, you are nuts.

  • Mannix16 on August 9, 2010, 16:13 GMT

    tendulkar and dravid are a given. third person i'd have to go with amarnath. laxman only had very few special knocks

  • mkshark on August 9, 2010, 16:13 GMT

    No one can argue about Tendulkar and Dravid,a testimony to these living legend,they can make their way into any 11,leave aside the indian lineup,nothing their,hands down,done..... The third spot though is a really really tricky one.Now I haven't seen any of those oldtimers like hazare or umrigar or even vishwanath but of what i've heard and read about them,i think Vishwanath is ahead of the others,even the editors here says that hazare was "the finest batsman in the middle till Viswanath." We have heard about his heroics on square turners (Ohh!! I so yearn to see these pitches again.Damn you ICC!!).Then he scored heavily in times of the fearsome windies,was stylish against spin and pace and that Gavaskar himself was a great admirer of his craft makes him a very special player indeed. But then their is someone Very Very Special!! Yes,Laxman,but for him,the argument would'nt have existed and but for him one of the greatest innings in the history of the game would'nt have been played.

  • Fanofbaseball on August 9, 2010, 16:09 GMT

    Vishy scored 10 of 14 hundreds at home as well. While you have a top order with Gavaskar, Viru, the Wall and the Jewel in the crown, you don't need a batsmen who can only score in India. Laxman is an automatic choice to fill the last middle order slot over Vengsarkar or Vishy or Azhar or Ganguly, for two reasons: 1) He can play comfortably with the tail. 2) He can score outside India as well as in India.

  • nikita_karthick on August 9, 2010, 15:58 GMT

    okay.. I have been watching cricket since 1990.... I was frustrated by our overseas performance of 1990's. Without any doubt Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman and Kumble are the most influential players who won test cricket in NZ, WI, Aus, SA,Eng and PaK along with SRT. We had never seen any victories in these countries in the period of 1987 - 2000. So I am very much excited about these cricketers...

    India chased 404 against ordinary WI attack in 1976 (included lot of spinners). but We have beaten Strong Australia in Kolkatta (stopped Aussies 16 wins in a row), Adilaide (First in Australia since 1980s and Perth (First sub continent team to beat Aus in Perth). One man was stand up and delivered all the time. He is simply VERY VERY SPECIAL.

  • inswing on August 9, 2010, 15:55 GMT

    Two choices are automatic, the third is difficult. I go with Vijay Hazare. He was the Tendulkar of 50s and 60s, and carried the batting more than Tendulkar ever had to. He played the best bowlers on bad pitches with poor facilities and training with all the pressure in the world. And averaged 47.65 in those circumstances. Compare that to Vengsarkar, Vishwanath, Ganguly, etc. whos average barely touched 42 in spite of all the hype. Numbers are not everything and memorable knocks are all well and good, but you have to look the sum total of production and reliability. Imagine you are picking an 11 in 2050, and people say, "I have never seen Tendulkar so I am just going to pick guys from 2030s and 40s." Vishwanath was extremely graceful and played some gems, but if you step back and look past the beauty aspect of it and look at the reliability, production, and value to the team, Hazare wins the third spot.

  • on August 9, 2010, 15:54 GMT

    VVS is easily the most under-rated batsman of his decade. His runs are quality over quantity. Almost each one of them is worth its weight in gold. In that sense, he far outweighs atleast Saurav Ganguly. Vengsarkar, scored no away centuries other than the 4 vs England. It is really between Vishy & VVS. For his sheer utilitarianism, I'd pick VVS! Oh and yes, we cannot discount his performances against the no.1 team of his era

  • roadkillz on August 9, 2010, 15:53 GMT

    1. Sunil Gavaskar 2. Vijay Merchant 3. Rahul Dravid 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. Vinoo Mankad 6. Virender Sehwag 7. MS Dhoni 8. Vinoo Mankad 9. Anil Kumble 10. Javagal Srinath 11. Zaheer Khan

    I think this is the best possible Indian XI...may be one of prasanna/bedi/chandra/nadkarni

  • ns_krishnan on August 9, 2010, 15:52 GMT

    @nsksharma117" Where did that match fixer Prabhakar come from ?

  • ravimenon on August 9, 2010, 15:52 GMT

    Its very tough and very tough indeed. I think the only way we can select is compare players where they played. like Rahul Vs Dilip Vs Amarnath vs Azhar - Rahul Preferred Sachin Vs Vishy - Sachin LaxmanVs saurovVs Azhar- VVS The other names in my view are not a match when we compare this group. so my selection so far Sunil Gavskar, Shewag, Rahul,Sachin, VVS.

  • JoseBautista on August 9, 2010, 15:51 GMT

    Dravid here has the best batting style. I don't know why he won't be involved in the odi squad. those crazy selectors will never learn. Same with laxman ! We also don't have ganguly anymore. Atleast we have sachin for the wc2011. I would want to see all 4 of these guys play together once more in an odi game.It will just be so sick. Mohinder and Dilip are also big guys. forgot to mention them.

  • Fanofbaseball on August 9, 2010, 15:51 GMT

    All those who chose Vengsarkar over Laxman need to have their heads examined. Vengsarkar score 17 hundreds in his career. 13 of which came in India and 4 in England. In contrast, Laxman has scored 16 hundreds of which 7 came in India and 9 has come outside india (4 in Australia, 2 in West Indies, 1 in SL, 1 in NZ and 1 in Pak). Vengsarkar was a top order batsman who piled his hundreds on dead tracks in India during the dull 80's when most of the matches were a draw. Laxman has scored more than 3000 runs playing above position 6 most often fighting with the tail.

  • on August 9, 2010, 15:50 GMT

    i think....sunny and viru will easily make it as openers...but it has 2 be rahul at no-3...hes the WALL man.....ther has 2 be a wall for strong foundation.....and thn of course....the MILLION $ guy sachin comes ....at 5 its the little master wid those magical wrists gundappa vishwanath....kapil is of course the allrounder......kirmani or mak pataudi the keeper......anil at 8....javagal srinath at 9....bs bedi at 10...and eas prasanna at 11.....

    12th man : zaheer khan

  • King_Anish on August 9, 2010, 15:48 GMT

    First of all, the committee should've shortlisted only 6 batsmen. Then they limited the spots to 3, to make an automatic entry for KapilDev. I don't think the selection panel will show the courage to drop Gundappa Viswanath :-). But my choice is Dravid, Sachin and Ganguly - the one good reason is the one stated by the panel itself, the left-handed genius in al team of right-handers. Laxman will be the 12th man, ahead of his Hyderabad mate.

  • nyroot on August 9, 2010, 15:45 GMT

    Middle Order: Dravid, Tendulkar, and Laxman Here's my Team India XI: 1.Sunil Gavaskar 2.Virender Sehwag 3.Rahul Dravid 4.Sachin Tendulkar 5.VVS Laxman 6.Ravi Shastri 7.Dhoni (C & WK) 8.Kapil Dev 9.Anil Kumble 10.Javagal Srinath 11.Zaheer Khan 12th man.Dilip Vengsarkar

  • Alexk400 on August 9, 2010, 15:41 GMT

    first two picks are Dravid (greatest test batsman ever) , sachin (run machine/choker). Last spot is VVS vs Vishy vs Ganguly. Ganguly is a coward when he refuse to play in nagpur when he saw green pitch and abandoned team and keep his win /loss ratio high. Pathetic.

    VVS can only play well when ball bounce high because of his technique. Pathetic against inswinging ball against asif. He is a dolly against inswinging ball.

    Viswanath never watched him. Based on what these people say i pick him over VVS laxman.

  • AB99 on August 9, 2010, 15:36 GMT

    @badebaba - MAK Pautadi would be a great non playing captain of the team who would stay aloof and not care for the team. The man who built the present Indian team - Dada Ganguly is my man for the captain of any all time Indian team ... we need some aggro on the fleld which Dada provided in ample ... Dhoni got a ready made team from Dada/Wall/Jumbo and could not even get a good #6 as a replacement for Dada till Raina came in ... MSD is a shoddy keeper and Kirmani is the BEST Indian wicket keeper of all time. Sunny, ViruS, Dravid, Tendu, Dada, Kiri, Kapil, Kumble are automatic plus add VVS, Zaheer and Pras to the lot ...

  • gracegift on August 9, 2010, 15:30 GMT

    The problem is not who to pick, but who not to pick. I'd go with Sunny, Viru, Jammy, Sachin, Vishy, Laxman, MSD(WK), Kapil(c), Jumbo, Zak and Chandra with Solkar as 12th man.With honourable mentions for Lala and Mohinder Amarnath, Polly Umrigar, Vengsarkar, Ganguly, Engineer, Kirmani, Mankad, Hazare, Srinath, Pataudi and Wadekar

  • kreeketer on August 9, 2010, 15:22 GMT

    My Pick would be Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar and Sourav Ganguly

    No wonders two of these trio are still playing in Indian Test Team ! All 3 have been playing or played cricket when there was a challenge with a new form of game creeping up and offering Tiring schedule...

    Salute the Trio of India in Middle order...

    If someone had to be replaced of these it could be Sourav with VVS !

  • tendlya14 on August 9, 2010, 15:18 GMT

    my indian XI- gavaskar, sehwag, dravid, sachin, laxman,ganguly/gambir/vishy/vengsarkar. Obviously dhoni will be captain even if gavaskar,dravid,ganguly,sachin are there..then ,kapil as allrounder. When u think about it, no need for 6th batsman,as dhoni and kapil more than compensate. Then zaheer ,srinath nd kumble for pitches outside india, and in india, replace srinath with bhaji. True world beaters.

  • Mahesh.R on August 9, 2010, 15:14 GMT

    Choosing Rahul Dravid at No.3 and The Great Man at No.4 is too easy a task. But the third middle order batsman is a tough task. This is my preference order for the third middle order spot.

    1. Vishwanath 2. VVS 3. Hazare 4.Amarnath 5. vengsarkar

    No offence meant, but Umrigar, Azhar and Ganguly had big weaknesses against pace and bounce. C K Naidu, Pataudi, Vijay Manjrekar, Salim Durani, Abid Ali etc might have been great batsmen but statistics speak against them. None of them is a Victor Trumper to justify a selection despite poor batting average.

  • nlambda on August 9, 2010, 15:10 GMT

    Who are the people suggesting that Azhar or Ganguly are better than Dravid? People are entitled to their opinions but this is ridiculous! Sounds like Hyderabadis/Bengalis rooting for their local boy over cricketing considerations :-)

  • on August 9, 2010, 14:49 GMT

    My pick would be Rahul,Sachin and Vishy...its a close call between vishy and lakshman but i have to pick vishy.Yes i know people talk about lakshman's 281,167,109 etc but then vishy scored a majestic 97* against west indies (3 of the bowlers in the WI tean made their all time X1),a 114* in MCG which we won when we dismissed aus defending 143,the 112 in the 406 chase against WI etc.. Gavasakar& vishy were to india in the 70's as Tendulkar & Dravid are in the 90's/00's

    all time pick would be sunny,viru,dravid,tendulkar,vishy,kapil,kirmani,kumble,srinath,chandra,bedi/prasanna

  • on August 9, 2010, 14:47 GMT

    Only 3 players to choose from so many many legends. Well Dravid and Tendulkar just cannot be overlooked which leaves just 1 spot. My pick would be Ganguly as he will be the captain of the team. I know it's not an all-time XI w/o players of the past era but the current Indian middle order is the best world cricket has ever seen!!!

    I would slot VVS Laxman at #6 and have a keeper and 4 bowlers in the team.

    People questioning Ganguly's inclusion, he had an outstanding record despite teams knowing for most part of his career about his weakness of playing the short ball. Till date he is the most successful Indian captain (I know Dhoni will overtake him soon). Some of the best Indian overseas wins have come under his captaincy and ofcourse the all-time best test series against Aus at home in 2001.

    My picks: Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly and Laxman

  • on August 9, 2010, 14:47 GMT

    This is my team:

    1. Sehwag 2. Gavaskar 3. Dravid 4. Tendulkar 5. Vishwanath 6. Laxman 7. Kirmani 8. Dev 9. Kumble 10. Srinath 11. Bedi

  • Dipankar_Kolkata on August 9, 2010, 14:46 GMT

    Rahul, Sach, Dilip Vengsarkar and VVS Laxman. You get the finest of the finest batsmen India ever produced.

  • waspsting on August 9, 2010, 14:43 GMT

    Dravid, Tendulkar obviously - and I would plump for Hazare. his record was so far ahead of his teamates - some of whom are thought to be 'great' as well. ideally, i'd have merchent and gavaskar opening up and have a spot for Sehwag in the middle order too. some of the limitations on choices... are silly.

  • Dhoni_fan_from_a_dada_era on August 9, 2010, 14:33 GMT

    I guess ganguly will be difficult to fit into eventhough his fine stats and fine avg. I feel VVS or Viswanath would be a better contender for the last spot after Sachin and Dravid. The others I have never seen play so can't comment, but presumably not enough winning combination like Vishy, VVS or Ganguly. Just for the special knock at Eden, I will keep VVS in team. No offense to other two.

  • NZwinsWC on August 9, 2010, 14:28 GMT

    It is amazing to see many here crying to include Ganguly in the team, most of them must be hardcore bengali supporters. Sourav was not even the best 3 of the fab 4. Sachin and Dravid are the obvious choices, and the toss is b/w VVS and Vishwanath. I think vishwanath should be picked ahead as a respect of his contribution in more darker days of Indian cricket. but i feel that the choice should have been 4 with vinoo mankad in the list too.

  • buntyj on August 9, 2010, 14:25 GMT

    i believe n all time xi should be able to cope with all time conditions not just the wickets of the past 2 decades, 5 tests 2 on uncovered pitches, 3 without helmets would reflect all time conditions thus the players should adapt; i believe it will be slightly less difficult to adapt to playing with helmets than without and to playing on covered pitches than uncovered hence i favour sunny, merchant, hazare, tendulkar, pataudi, engineer (kept to spin india, medium county, pace world xi, tamhane n maybe kirmani better keepers, but farouk the best batsman wk without a helmet,) kapil dev (highest scores at 7,8,9 not higher), bedi, prasanna, nissar and chandra sehwag in place of merchant if only modern conditions, mohinder in place of hazare if all helmets amar singh wasnt truly fast, srinath, v mankad (most runs as opener not in middle), kumble, had vastly better bowling records at home than abroad; gupte perhaps a better leggie but chandra helped win tests across the world surti 12 man

  • on August 9, 2010, 14:22 GMT

    Could please not insult The Beatles by calling these guys Fab Four with due respect of course. The only other Fab Four known in the Cricketing World are...Kapil Dev, Ian Botham, Imran Khan, Richard Hadlee. And now my pick of four, Sachin Tendulkar, Mohammad Azharuddin, Vijay Hazare, Gundappa Viswanath New school may not know much about the last two in particular, Viswanath., This little guy stood tall against the likes of Holding, Roberts, Marshall, Garner, Imran Khan, Lillee, Thompson, Willis, not once but for as long as I can remember, and that, in anybody's book is a ticket to greatness, enough said.

    Vijay Hazrae stands tall alone in class with the rest of the pick...

    Azharuddin I selected because his class of batting exceeds Laxamn and Dravid put together but then, who am I blow against the wind.

  • on August 9, 2010, 14:21 GMT

    .ANKITsHARMA TEST xi Sunil Gavaskar 2. Virender Sehwag 3. Rahul Dravid 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. VVS Laxman 6. M.S. Dhoni (C & WK) 7. Kapil Dev 8. Saurav Ganguly 9. Anil Kumble 10. Jagawal Srinath 11. Zaheer Khan 12./Gautam Gambhir

  • on August 9, 2010, 14:20 GMT

    Sachin & Dravid for sure. Who will take the one remaining spot?

  • tendlya14 on August 9, 2010, 14:17 GMT

    are you guys kidding? Fab four with ganguly's place in doubt, i would say...though gambhir would have been better than ganguly also. And think of it...u need a left hander in the batting side. Otherwise,vishy or vengsarkar in dada's place. Rest of the fab four have performed and dominated all teams nd conditions consistently better than other's in the list. Where sachin has failed, dravid has done better nd where dravid has failed, laxman has done better, nd vice versa with sachin. It would be a travesty if laxman misses out. India's fab four is the perfect counter against the fearsome four of west indies fast bowling quartet.. I dont think that will be an exaggeration. Does anyone disagree?

  • on August 9, 2010, 14:11 GMT

    dravid,tendulkar.viswanath,laxman.it is funny to see that many are leaving VVS!Laxman played arguably the greatest innings ever in test history(not just by an indian),played bowlers like mcgrath,lee,warne majestically not only in home conditions but also in their den.every one talks about his 281,148,69.but to me the most aesthetically pleasing knock from his is 167 of 198 balls at a strike rate of 85+against his favourite opposition in sydeny way back in 2000.he just pulverized the australian bowling attack having macgrath,warne,lee bowling at their peak.he was the top scorer in that match when india was dismissed for a meagre 240 odd,scoring 66% of the total runs scored by the team(second only to charles bannerman who did in the 19 th century)that innings alone speaks about his class. australians will be happy if they can grab him in their team.

  • jayaprakaash83 on August 9, 2010, 14:11 GMT

    Dravid, Sachin and VVS.... No one other than these to play Long and Strong...

  • on August 9, 2010, 14:10 GMT

    ACCORDING TO MY VIEW INDIA ALL TIME XI : 1.GAVASKAR 2.SEHWAG 3.DRAVID 4.TENDULKAR 5.M.AZAHARUDDIN(C) 6.V.V.S.LAXMAN 7.S.KIRMANI (W) 8.KAPILDEV(ALL) 9.KUMBLE 10.ZAHEER KHAN 11.J.SRINATH

  • on August 9, 2010, 14:06 GMT

    I really can't understand why people are talking about 70 and 80's pace attact and spoke high of vengsarkar, vishy and jimmy. What happened to this era..90s ..the fab four faced great fast bowlers like ambrose, walsh, akram, waqar, donald and mcgrath. On the top of that they even faced two all time great best ever sppiners : murali and warne. If you see the career average then also you can see they made best 4 out of 6 (only hazare & azhar's av better than sourav). I would like to add the fab fours are the only batsman in this list who played over 100 test matches for india & maintaining a very high avg, it means they are consistent.Tendulkar even played imran & marshall a bit. Please don't count who is playing better in overseas than india. So many great players failed even in subcontinent.Clearly pataudi, nayudu, hazare did not play enough 2 be selected & fab 4 are better than vishy, venki & jimmy. Azhar is a real class but underated for his mf scandal.dravid,sachin,laxman/Azhar.

  • Gkr_Sabka_Yaar on August 9, 2010, 14:02 GMT

    My All Time Test XI -----------------------

    I: Sunil Gavaskar (C) II: Virender Sehwag III: Gundappa Viswanath IV: Sachin Tendulkar V: Dilip Vengsarkar VI: Mohinder Amarnath VII: Kapil Dev VIII: Syed Kirmani IX: Anil Kumble X: Javagal Srinath XI: Bishan Bedi XII: Rahul Dravid/Mohammad Azharuddin

  • on August 9, 2010, 13:59 GMT

    It will be worthwhile to mention people who missed out like paddy shivalkar or rajinder goyal in backdrop of fab 4 spinners or likes of amol majumdar who missed out in backdrop of fab4 middle order

  • nikita_karthick on August 9, 2010, 13:54 GMT

    no argument for first four places.

    For N05 lax and Vishy are the closest contenders.... But I am going with Very Very Special because his innings of 281, 167 against Aussies and even his match winning innings against latest test in SL was top class stuff... Only he can play some of the shots and of course some of the inningses.. Last Column, I was going with Vishi but to be frank laxman is little ahead. He has been top against top thatswhy he is known as VVS. Even @ 35, his free flowing innings against SL against SL in a 5th day pitch was mind blowing... He deserves a place ahead of Vishyy and Co...

  • KrupeshPatel on August 9, 2010, 13:45 GMT

    one has to it is the automatic choice for no. 3 and 4....... The great wall of india(dravid) and god of cricket(tendulkar). at number 5 vishy zooms past every one just the way he plays short pitch bowling. no other batsman except these three can play better short stuff better. captaincy is question but gavaskar or kapil can do it with charm..........

  • on August 9, 2010, 13:36 GMT

    Dravid, Sachin, GRV.

    VVS is close, but others wont stand a chance

  • Awad on August 9, 2010, 13:27 GMT

    Its hilarious, people vouching for Ganguly. He couldnt play the short ball to save his life! And he was a liability in the field. My picks would be Dravid, Sachin, Vishy/Azza and Laxman.

  • Nitold123 on August 9, 2010, 13:24 GMT

    My team: gavaskar, sehwag, dravid, sachin, ganguly, mankad, dhoni,kapil, kumble, srinath/amar singh and nissar. i feel the experts would choose vishy or hazare over ganguly and possibly, kirmani over dhoni. Mankad would come in as the all rounder with Kapil as one of 3 pacers. Both Amar Singh and Mohd Nissar have great FC records with the ball and were unfortunate to miss out on playing more test matches. Nissar was a fearsome fast bowler and possibly, he could be chosen much like Harold Larwood in the all time England team as an impact player/ X-Factor. Kumble has won more test matches for India than anyone else and towards the last five years of his career, had some very good performances overseas; so, I think he is the first choice as spinner.

  • khurramlone on August 9, 2010, 13:18 GMT

    Tendulkar, Hazare, and VVS. Painful to leave out Vishwanath or Dravid, but I think leaving Hazare out of any Indian team would be like leaving out George Headley from any West Indian team.

  • johnsrini on August 9, 2010, 13:16 GMT

    Dravid should be in the team only on one condition. That is Greg Chapell should not be the coach. Otherwise the two of them will plot to get rid of Ganguly and Sehwag.

  • on August 9, 2010, 13:16 GMT

    it wud b very tough for the judges to pick up such a gr8 gr8 middle order...!!! All were most precious GEMS of India....!!! definitely the man of records, SRT will b in the all time squad....!!!!

  • nksharma117 on August 9, 2010, 13:15 GMT

    1. Sunil Gavaskar 2. Virender Sehwag 3. Rahul Dravid 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. VVS Laxman 6. M.S. Dhoni (C & WK) 7. Kapil Dev 8. Manoj Prabhakar 9. Anil Kumble 10. Jagawal Srinath 11. Zaheer Khan 12. Saurav Ganguly/Gautam Gambhir

  • Nampally on August 9, 2010, 13:10 GMT

    Suresh, it is good that you gave the readers some idea of the middle order contenders specially those Masters from 1040 to 1970 era. These cricketers did not have the luxuries of the modern cricketer nor playing as many matches. An All time India XI must include players of all generations otherwise it is NOT an ALL Time XI. My middle order is: 3, Dravid 4. Tendulkar 5.Hazare 6. Umrigar 7. Kapil Dev (all rounder) 8. V.Manakad. Hazare was one of the most consistent & reliable of the Indian bats of his era. Umrigar was a fabulous stroke player but unfortunately he ended up like an openers because India did not have good openers. Umrigar got over 2000 runs each time the team visited England. This limited his scoring. Both Hazare & Umrigar also bowled successfully in tests. Kapil & Vinoo Mankad as all rounders easily fill in the 2 places. Last 3 places include a WK and 2 bowlers.

  • on August 9, 2010, 13:09 GMT

    It is unfair to pick only three batsmen for the middle order. considering the fact that we have no legendary allrounders(except kapil sir who will definetly make the team as a pace spearhead). The strongest indian teams are those that bat deep. Also some of the players above can be considered batting allrounders(amarnath and ganguly). So i feel it is fair to pick 4 middle order batsman than just 3. My pick would be the fab 4, one down-Dravid(no one better than the wall), no.4- Sachin(need any reasons for picking him?), no.5-Ganguly(best captain, great record in swinging conditions in england, the most aggresive and creative captain), no.6-Laxman(the crisis man, just proved it against srilanka, also great record against the best team of his time, australia.)

  • Bamarolls on August 9, 2010, 13:08 GMT

    What is next, Suresh will ask us to pick an all rounder between Kapil and Vinoo? It is almost criminal to be asked to pick only 3 amongst the list. I recall my very early years, when Polly's 12 centuries were the mark. Polly was considered absolutely the phenom. He seals the deal after selecting Wall for 1 down spot. No questions about 2 down spot. Must express my apologies to Azhar, Vengsarkar, and Mohinder. Liked to have the additional option of not picking hard hitting Sandeep Patil. I know a lot of people are going goo-goo-ga-ga over Vishy - but forget that he was a liability on the field. However, a double century from him on a pressure situation to pull India out of trouble or get India to victory would have eased my tension and I would have picked him.

  • narang9 on August 9, 2010, 13:06 GMT

    Well There is no question that Sachin and Dravid makes the cut obviously but Saurav should make it obviously as he is the one who taught the team india how to win. Vishy,VVS,Vengsarkar and all other were good but no one was exceptional but saurav was exceptional.

  • on August 9, 2010, 13:02 GMT

    I hate to say this but please don't add azhar, there are plenty of options here. Why should we should we select someone who has been involved in match fixing. My selection would be Dravid, The one, Vishwanath r Laxman

  • kcab on August 9, 2010, 12:56 GMT

    I am curious about how the jury has treated Ranjitsinhji. If I remember correctly, Walter Hammond included Ranji in his World XI and considered him his batting hero. He also invented the leg glance and has a terrific record for the time he played. But he didn't figure in the list for England and doesn't in the one for India either. Granted given his anti-nationalist sentiments, Ranji would have liked to have been chosen for England, but surely this doesn't matter now? This would also resolve the third batsman issue, after Dravid (who should be chosen at no. 5) and Tendulkar.

  • BHARATLIFE on August 9, 2010, 12:47 GMT

    1) Gavaskar 2) Sehwag 3) Dravid 4) Tendulkar 5) Laxman 6) Ganguly* 7) Dhoni 8) Dev 9) Kumble 10) Gupte/Bhajji/ Prasanna 11) Srinath/ Zaheer

    Actually i had Dev/ Ganguly meaning only one of them makes the team..... i am a DADA fan, but as soon as i came to fill the fast bowlers list...who are there who have performed consistently for over the years..... then i tough definitely one will be Kapil Dev and the other Sreenath or Zaheer. I choose Gupte over Bhajji because " Warne good but Subash Gupte the best" by Micheal Holding " The best leg spinner" by Sir Garfield Sobers. Actually our Indian test teams strength is our spin..... Ganguly is there like it or not ... he is the one who changed the style of cricket..... more bolder and that too he batted at No.6 most of his career, and he can be quite a reliable bowler. So this would be my team

  • praveenkp78 on August 9, 2010, 12:40 GMT

    My All-time XI at this point time would be: Sunny, Sehwag, Rahul, Sachin, Vishy/Lakshman, Kapil, Kirmani/Dhoni, Srinath, Kumble, Prasanna, Bedi/Venkat

  • gromhellscream on August 9, 2010, 12:38 GMT

    Unlike Australia or England, India never had a brad-man, Ponsford, Sobers in the 1930-1970 era who would be a unanimous choice, but when it comes to 90s to present, sachin emerges as one for the 2 down position, Dravid would a close to unanimous for 1 down, Vengsarkars 6 tons versus WI have come on benign Indian wickets, and he loses to sachin any day for the 4th position, I haven't seen much of hazare, but would like azharuddin at 5th though laxman too could be a option and ganguly for his left hand /right hand combination @ 6th. and regarding vishy grace doesn't earn a place in team, so my middle order would be 3:Dravid, 4:Sachin 5:Azahruddin/laxman 6:Laxman

  • on August 9, 2010, 12:28 GMT

    Its cruel to just pick 3 out of these names. But Sachin, Rahul and Vishwanath would be my choice.

  • deepaksam on August 9, 2010, 12:24 GMT

    Definitely the most difficult! Why just 3? Should be 4 - Dravid, GR, Sachin, Mohinder. These men are capable of facing any bowler and in any conditions!

  • on August 9, 2010, 12:22 GMT

    Dravid, Sachin and Azharuddin will be my choices.I miust say though that people referring to Sachin as God really is nonsensical. People please grow up. I think/know that Lara is better but I don't call him God.

  • Rake1 on August 9, 2010, 12:21 GMT

    Dravid & Tendulkar without any question. I had earlier chosen Mohinder Amarnath as 3rd middle order bat, solely because he averages 50+ outside India & has scored runs against the fastest of men - Thompson, Holding, Marshall, Imran. Gideon Haigh writing in The Age says: "In an era replete with fast bowling and unrestricted in use of the bouncer, he never stopped hooking - despite many incentives to do so. He received a hairline fracture of the skull from Richard Hadlee, was knocked unconscious by Imran Khan, had teeth knocked out by Malcolm Marshall and was hit in the jaw so painfully by Jeff Thomson in Perth that he could eat only ice cream for lunch. 'What separated Jimmy from the others,' Michael Holding said, 'was his great ability to withstand pain . . . A fast bowler knows when a batsman is in pain. But Jimmy would stand up and continue.' " However I have made a U turn, and after VVS Laxman match winning 100 vs Sri Lanka - I have voted for VVS as 3rd batter.Apologies to Mohinder

  • daredevilzz on August 9, 2010, 12:18 GMT

    I think no.5 spot should definitely b DADA's.. granted that vishwanath ws utterly graceful n laxman has played some very very special innings, but do we really want no left-hander in India's all-time XI ?? Besides.. Dada's away stats(41.5 avg) are much better than those of vishi(36.3).. All in all, he brings more variety, bowling options n balance to the side, n i haven't even started about his stratagems, his guts n all those traits that stats on paper can't measure.. Dravid, You-know-who, Dada for me

  • viks_j on August 9, 2010, 12:18 GMT

    Only those players should be shortlisted who can play consistently in foreign condition. And according to me DRAVID, TENDULKAR, LAXMAN SHOUL BE SELECTED.

  • Farce-Follower on August 9, 2010, 12:17 GMT

    Vishy would have to make the list...Come on, folks, he played the best, without a Helmet....

  • on August 9, 2010, 12:16 GMT

    Lot of these deserve a spot....but the top 3 will definitely be...the wall the master blaster and the classy Vishy......read Dravid, Tendulkar and Vishvanath..... For the rest of team V.Mankad should be chosen as all-rounder and K.Dev as seam bowler....Kirmani /Dhoni wicketkeeper....Srinath and M.Nisar/Zaheer as 2nd and 3rd seamer.....spinners will be tough to chose...my pick Kumble...

  • brija on August 9, 2010, 12:14 GMT

    My team would be sehwag,gavaskar,dravid,tendulkar,laxman,dhoni(wk&c),kapil dev,harbhajan singh,kumble,srinathand roger binny

  • Faraz_Baig_AusFan on August 9, 2010, 12:13 GMT

    Its gotta be: 3) Dravid 4) He 5) Gundappa Vishwanath.. lets not forget the class of Vishy, hes better than VVS although both of them in the same class Vishy played on less flat pitches those days

  • NumberXI on August 9, 2010, 12:08 GMT

    @Andrew Brighton - how right you are! Only, I wonder if the same rule does not apply for the likes of Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Pietersen, Sangakkara, Mahela, Miandad, Zaheer Abbas etc!

  • ROXSPORT on August 9, 2010, 12:06 GMT

    Rahul, Sachin & Vishy for me. My all time XI would be Sunny, Viru, Rahul, Vishy, Sachin with Polly Umrigar/Vijay Hazare, Kapil Dev, Kirmani, Ramakant Desai, Kumble & Pras. 12th man Azhar.

  • on August 9, 2010, 12:04 GMT

    @ Anand Gaggar - I would jst like toReplace Azahar by SC Ganguly.

  • Optimistix on August 9, 2010, 12:03 GMT

    Sachin and Dravid pick themselves - they are the only two in our entire test history who can be compared to Sunny. Three all-time greats on the world stage, whom you'd back to come good under any conditions and against any opposition.

    Ganguly, Azhar and Vengsarkar were very good test batsmen, but not great. This is easily brought out by their performances under the most challenging conditions and against the toughest opposition. Nayudu played too few tests to be judged properly, and Pataudi was hardly a leading batsman.

    So it's really between Vishy, Mohinder, Laxman, Hazare and Umrigar for the third slot. This is where it gets really hard - Umrigar was perhaps the least as a batsman, but then he was an allrounder. He could be picked along with Kapil, or we could say there's no need for Umrigar, as we have Kapil.

    Each of the others was a stalwart, proven under testing conditions and against the toughest opposition. Yet each somewhat inconsistent. Comes down to picking favourites.

  • sunny1307 on August 9, 2010, 11:49 GMT

    Rahul,Sachin and Ganguly...........dada coz u need a captain and the side should have at least one left handed batsmen besides a grt bowler in seam conditions which dada is .......

  • on August 9, 2010, 11:45 GMT

    Sachin, of course, Ganguly also Dravid too Laxman, as well

  • DravidistheBest on August 9, 2010, 11:42 GMT

    Every single comment picks my God and their God, so that is hardly left for debate. but what about No. 5?? Laxman (who is also a special close-in fielder) or Vishy (against whom bouncers looked like half volleys) ?? tough one but seeing cricinfo's love for the oldies, i think it will be Vishwnath, and please we need 2 genuine seamers and kapil dev

  • kirksland on August 9, 2010, 11:35 GMT

    Only one position is up for grabs, and its an insult to the Wall to suggest otherwise. Who that person will be be is ultimately up to the judges but give Dravid the respect he deserves, an All Time GREAT, who some suggest due to his overseas record is better than Tendulkar.

  • on August 9, 2010, 11:33 GMT

    Only one spot can be debated....the first two will go undoubtably to Tendulkar and Dravid....

  • on August 9, 2010, 11:31 GMT

    There is no question for 3rd and 4th spot(Dravid Aka Wall And Master Sachin Tendulkar)..debate is only for 5th and 6th. We need to choose among(Saurav, Very Very Special, Azhar, Vishwanath, Vengasarkar)..Looking at these available options and considering their performances under pressures I will go with VVS and Vishwanath. So my team will be "Sehwag", "Little Master" "The Wall", "Master Blaster", "Vishwanath","VVS", "Dhoni", "Kapil", "Kumble", "Bhajji","Sreenath"..n this will make the best combination n will b almost impossible to beat evn by other best teams.

  • buntyj on August 9, 2010, 11:30 GMT

    most of the comments are from people with a clear contemporary bias actually i would have preferred to have lala amarnath and vijay manjrekarand sehwag too as options in place of azhar, dada and vengsarkar as openers shastri n vinoo mankad had excellent records and mustaq ali too ahead of sidhu

  • rationalist on August 9, 2010, 11:29 GMT

    While being sentimentally inclined towards golden oldies like CK, Hazare and Umrigar, it is obvious they cannot get into the XI. However, I cannot visualize an All Time XI without Mankad. I would like to see him in the All Rounder spot with Kapil in the bowler category. Kumble - great bowler that he has been - cannot be considered a better spinner than the FAB 4. If Mankad is in, Bedi cannot get in tho he was the better bowler. Spin has been our strength and I would love Chandra and Pras in the team with Kapil and Srinath opening.This gives huge variety. Kirmani was defintely better than Dhoni. Why is Vijay Manjrekar not in the short list ahead of Pataudi. Sardesai should have been a nominee as an opener, ahead of Sidhu, as he was primarily responsible for our first major overseas victory in 1971. My XI -Sunil, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendy, Vishy, Vinoo, Kapil, Kirmani, Srinath, Pras/Chandra/Zaheer (2 out of these 3).

  • on August 9, 2010, 11:28 GMT

    No question for 3rd and 4th spot(Dravid Aka Wall And Master Sachin Tendulkar)..debate is only for 5th and 6th. We need to choose among(Saurav, Very Very Special, Azhar, Vishwanath, Vengasarkar)..Looking at these available options and considering their performances under pressures I will go with VVS and Vishwanath. So my team will be "Sehwag", "Little Master" "The Wall", "Master Blaster", "Vishwanath","VVS", "Dhoni", "Kapil", "Kumble", "Bhajji","Sreenath"..n this will make the best combination n will b almost impossible to beat evn by other best teams.

  • gummadv on August 9, 2010, 11:28 GMT

    1.Sunny 2. Viru 3. Rahul 4. Sach 5. vishy 6. Kapil 7. MSD 8. Srinath 9. Zaheer 10. Kumble 11. Prasanna 12.VVS Kumble as Captain. VVS can replace any of the three.

  • Saim93 on August 9, 2010, 11:27 GMT

    Tendulkar is confirmed to be in the list, i would add Laxman and Dravid as well.

  • Proteas_Supporter on August 9, 2010, 11:27 GMT

    i'll go with vishwanath, tendulkar and laxman. vengsarkar was an good batsman and he showed against the most feared attack of west indies and hazare did the same against the invincible australians. both of them came close. vishy and tendulkar are automatic choices, if any one doubt's laxman's ability please ask the australians. others are good but not great........

  • mohitbhartia on August 9, 2010, 11:24 GMT

    Dravid, Sachin and Laxman .... can't think of anybody else from this list.

  • sanjumadhav on August 9, 2010, 11:09 GMT

    Sachin, Azhar and Vengsarkar. No question.

  • on August 9, 2010, 11:02 GMT

    Its an easy pick for me.. since it looks like options for slots 3,4 and 5.

    Dravid, Sachin and Dada... Its an obvious pick for me.. Laxman is suited for No.6 acc. to me to play with the tail and ofcourse to finish matches...

    Ofcourse Dada pips Laxman due to him being a south paw, stroke-maker, fighter, good startegist and a very useful bowler... all put in one.. No doubt Laxman is a match-winner too.. but not at No 5 :-)

    My All Time XI has a lot of contemporary players... an indication to the fact that the past player's performances never convinced me as far as overseas records go. A reason why u see current indian team registering wins/series level overseas after 10 years, 15 and sometimes 20 yrs... like the one in SL was 12 yrs later.. :(

    Current lot is the best in terms on win % and overseas records.

    1.Gavaskar 2.Sehwag 3.Dravid 4. SRT 5.Dada 6.Laxman 7.Dhoni 8. Kapil 9. Srinath/Zaheer 10. Bhajji/Kumble 11. B.Chandrasekhar

  • Psyc_s on August 9, 2010, 11:01 GMT

    Well Well, look at here boys...The Jury looks fine to take Old Stalwarts into consideration. My choice would be Rahul, the God himself and Dada, Laxman as usual, very unlucky not to be choosen. Azhar in my opinion should not be in this list coz he is a proven fraud. I had never seen Mr.Pataudi, Mr. Nayudu, Mr. Umrigar and Mr. Hazare played, so unwise to comment. As far as Vengsarkar, Amarnath and Vishwanath, they have to consider themself unlucky having played Test cricket between the Old Stalwarts and Modern Masters but they inspired young guys at large who went on to become record book re-writers...

  • delta20 on August 9, 2010, 11:00 GMT

    One must also consider the stats too when selecting the greatest XI so I carefully looked at most of the players selected above. Most of them are not good against pace. Dilip vengsarkar is said to be an excellent batsman against pace but his record against WI attack in WI is terrible..... comparably, Laxman is much much better but some people are lost because of favouriticism. I won't select Ganguly, Azhar any day. Even GR viswanath's record against pace is not that good as it is made to be. M Amarnath is one batsman who was, according to the stats, the best batsman in foreign conditions but of course there are some blemishes in everyone's career. So, I would opt for Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman

  • ssenthil on August 9, 2010, 11:00 GMT

    1. Sunil Gavaskar 2. Virender Sehwag 3. Rahul Dravid 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. Mohinder Amarnath 6. Kapil Dev (Captain) 7. Farokh Engineer (W/K) 8. Vinoo Mankad 9. Anil Kumble 10.Javagal Srinath 11.Zaheer Khan

    12th Man: VVS Laxman

    Batting Average of this Team:

    Sunil Gavaskar - 51.52

    Virender Sehwag - 53.52, 43.90

    Rahul Dravid - 52.75

    Sachin Tendulkar - 56.02

    Mohinder Amarnath - 42.50

    Kapil Dev - 31.05, 29.64

    Farokh Engineer - 31.08

    Vinoo Mankad - 31.47, 32.32

    Anil Kumble - 17.77, 29.65

    Javagal Srinath - 14.21, 30.49

    Zaheer Khan - 13.45, 32.98

    So They can score 395 per Innings is really great.

    For bowlers the Avg is mentioned Next.

    This Team will have 3 fast bowlers and all 3 variety of spinners.

    Leg Spinner - Anil, Off Spinner - Viru and a Left arm - Mankad

  • rahuja on August 9, 2010, 10:58 GMT

    Someone else pointed it out but I have to repeat, if only to drive home the point. It's weird if not sad that the author would single Tendulkar out but leave dravid out from automatic inclusion . For his record, for the role he played in victories and most importantly the belief he gave to an entire generation of Indian Batsmen while playing away, Rahul's inclusion can't have a Q mark. Also, I have for a while now wondered that what kind of teams would the set format of 2 (op) + 3 (mo) + 1 allrnd + 1 wk + 3 bowlers generate. In India's case the answer is straight forward - sub optimal. When your best medium fast bowler (Kapil) is also a decent bat, what you need is an extra batsmen not a bowler for the sake of completing 4 spots. Even more so when you know that this is the country which has had a far gr share of world class batsmen then bowlers. For whatever it is worth, this is the 1st team ever to get to #1 on the basis of a phenomenal batting team and below par bowling unit.

  • on August 9, 2010, 10:56 GMT

    sehwag, gavaskar, DRAVID,TENDULKAR,GANGULY,AMARNATH, dhoni(c), kapil dev,anil kumble, bedi,srinath

  • on August 9, 2010, 10:47 GMT

    My All-time test XI: India will be-- Sunny, Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin, Ganguly (Capt), Lakshman, Kapil Dev, Dhoni, Kumble, Srinath and Zaheer.

  • delta20 on August 9, 2010, 10:46 GMT

    I think Ganguly, Azhar don't deserve a chance here. The only advantage ganguly provides is the left handed batsman. His record against pace bowling is awful with averages of 35.07, 33.82 and 32.07 against Australia, South Africa and West Indies respectively. His average in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Sri lanka and zimbabwe respectively is 34.80, 27.71, 36.14, 36.75 and 30.57. If a man with such stats is selected for an all time Indian great XI then I think selecting IVA Richards, B Lara, G Headley and G Sobers for WI middle order will be a joke. I think either one from Hazare, Vengsarkar, Lasman and Vishwanath. Very very difficult indeed but not as difficult as leaving three Ws, Clive llyod out from WI team. The middle order for me is Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar and VVS laxman

  • dineshp97 on August 9, 2010, 10:46 GMT

    I would say 1. Sunil Gavaskar 2. Virender Sehwag 3. Rahul Dravid 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. VVS Laxman 6. Kapil Dev 7. MS Dhoni 8. Anil Kumble 9. Javagal Srinath 10. BS Bedi 11. Bhagwat Chandrasekhar

  • chet111 on August 9, 2010, 10:42 GMT

    Why is Kapil Dev Nikhanj not mentioned here?

  • on August 9, 2010, 10:39 GMT

    How does Sourav Ganguly even appear in the scheme of Test Matches!! He is fit only for ODIs.. Being a successful captain alone does not earn him a place in India's All time XI.. Rahul, Sachin and Vishi/Pataudi are genuine Test players with matchless class...

  • djindal on August 9, 2010, 10:35 GMT

    Dravid, Tendu and Vishwanath

  • harshalb on August 9, 2010, 10:30 GMT

    1.SMG 2.Viru 3.Merchant (he is an opened but better than Dravid at 3) 4.SRT 5. Pataudi (two eyed) Hazare or Sardesai 6.Kapil Dev (how we love him no?) 7.Engineer or Kirmani (both are fantastic) 8.Nissar (fast bowler 1) 9. Srinath (fast bowler 2) 10.Prasanna 11.Subhash Gupte (better than Warne)

    Kumble - no place, he did not spin the ball, only succeeded on minefileds in India B.S. Chandrasekhar - best after Gupte, my favourite Mohinder - would have loved to have him at his best but tended to have very long bad patches Dravid - victim of merchant Laxman, Vishwanath, Vengy and others - like em but a two eyed Pataudi or Hazare or Sardesai were too much

  • JimmytheToucan on August 9, 2010, 10:29 GMT

    Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman as it stands. If you bring in Kapil Dev and either Kirmani / Dhoni, the best foil is Laxman. Ganguly, Vishawnath, Vengsarkar et al good batsmen but do not create a balanced team. We romanticize over Hazare & Pataudi, a different era of gentlemen warriors. In today's game you need a little chutzpah and a lot of discipline, look at the success of Tendulkar, now that is dedication and thats how you make a champion. Look at the current crop, a bunch of wastrels selected by a moronic and co..upt committee

  • anuragn on August 9, 2010, 10:26 GMT

    Laxman though surely deserves a spot but shall be left out just coz evry1(critics and fans equally) just find a chance to keep him out and not get him in. What more do you ask from a player for whom even the Aussies have only words of praises. He might not perform on these "national highway" kind of pitches but does so in some of the best bowlers friendly pitches in world. If some1 really wants to compare under-pressure performance of batsmen, just see 3rd and 4th innings avg(57 and 32 for Laxman) against any "great batsman" and you shall come to know. Luck VVS!

  • ssruprai on August 9, 2010, 10:24 GMT

    Raul, Sachin and M. Amaranath is my selection

  • on August 9, 2010, 10:17 GMT

    Out of 3 slots 2 players have made it with out any debate .. Sachin and Dravid ..

    Only one slot need to be discussed ... Ganguly can be the third player because they need a left hander in the top order , also if you see the down order batsman its going to be Dhoni & Kapil who again are right handers . I will select Ganguly over others since he will be the only batsman who bats left handed in the team .

    Shewag & Gavaskar will automatically fit in the openers slot . Also Ganguly can be the vice captain to Kapil .

  • JackJak on August 9, 2010, 10:17 GMT

    My best indian XI would be: 1. Sunil Gavaskar, 2. Virender Sehwag, 3. Mohinder Amarnath, 4. Sachin Tendulkar, 5. VVS Laxman, 6. Mohamad Azharuddin, 7. MS Dhoni 8. Kapil Dev 9. Vinoo Mankad 11. Anil Kumble 10 Zaheer Khan 11. Javagal Srinath

    Subs: Rahul dravid, Dilip Vengsarkar, Saurav Ganguly, Roger Binny, Manoj Prabhakar, Chandrasekar

    I am selecting Azhar and Laxman because they are lovely to watch and thats a must because its hard to see too much of that in todays cricket. Vinoo Mankad has always been talked off as one of the greatest all rounders so he fits in too

  • on August 9, 2010, 10:16 GMT

    lots of batsmen...no bowlers...same as today. They won win a game.

  • vipin.chaudhary2325 on August 9, 2010, 10:13 GMT

    Dravid (because of his record outside Asia) sachin (automatic choice), Vishwanath(because he was always there with a score of 98, when India made 198) and Mohinder Amarnath (Played some fine innings against Pace, 80% of his centuries were outside India)....... average dosen't mean a lot, because what makes a player great is when u see his innings in pressure situation and the place where they have made it.. can't say much about Poly and Vijay, I have seen their batting, not even in a clip....

  • KAIRAVA on August 9, 2010, 10:12 GMT

    Indian XI

    Best XI from 1932-1990 (Pre-Tendulkar era)

    Gavaskar Vijay Merchant Vishwanth Vijay Hazare Azharuddin Mohinder Amarnath Kapil Dev Syed Kirmani Amar Singh Erapalli Prasanna Mohammed Nissar Bhagwath Chandrasekhar

    Post Tendulkar Era (1990-2010)

    Sehwag Gambhir Dravid Tendulkar Laxman Ganguly Dhoni Kumble Harbhajan Srinath Zaheer

  • KAIRAVA on August 9, 2010, 10:12 GMT

    Indian XI

    Best XI from 1932-1990 (Pre-Tendulkar era)

    Gavaskar Vijay Merchant Vishwanth Vijay Hazare Azharuddin Mohinder Amarnath Kapil Dev Syed Kirmani Amar Singh Erapalli Prasanna Mohammed Nissar Bhagwath Chandrasekhar

    Post Tendulkar Era (1990-2010)

    Sehwag Gambhir Dravid Tendulkar Laxman Ganguly Dhoni Kumble Harbhajan Srinath Zaheer

  • on August 9, 2010, 10:04 GMT

    Rahul Sachin and laxman for me.

  • Sancho on August 9, 2010, 10:03 GMT

    I think Rahul Dravid and Sachin Tendulkar pick themselves. I would go for Azhar merely because he has probably been the best fielder India has ever had - in any position. Sheerly on batting ability Azhar can probably match any of the other players here - other than Dravid and Tendulkar- and his fielding to my mind puts him apart. With Gavaskar and Dravid, there are already 2 fine slip fielders in the team, and Tendulkar is also a solid fielder. So, one might actually have an Indian team which actually fields well as well.

  • on August 9, 2010, 10:02 GMT

    My 11 . Gavaskar,Sehwag,Dravid,tendulkar,Vishy,Kapil,Dhoni,Sreenath, Zaheer,Kumble and Prasanna.

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:59 GMT

    If its 3 batsmen I will go for Dravid, Sachin and Laxman

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:57 GMT

    If you consider both formats of the game Test and ODI and have to make an unanimous and honest choice then the trio includes no one other than the famous three contemporaries of Indian cricket: Sachin, Rahul and Sourav, no one can match their wavelength in true terms. So they are my choice for the all time India XI middle order.

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:55 GMT

    Dravid and Sachin are automatic choices..The remaining two should be Laxman and gundappa viswanath.

    Almost all centuries of laxman are worth to remember

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:53 GMT

    Azhar, Dravid, Sachin!!!!

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:52 GMT

    Where's Vinoo Mankad? He should surely be included in the shortlist!

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:50 GMT

    all time 11 is VIrendra sehwag, sunil gavaskar, rahul dravid, sachin tendulkar, M azharudin(c), VVS laxman, Dinesh Kartik, Kapil dev, Anil Kumble, Zaheer Khan, Harvajan Singh.

  • hatrick26 on August 9, 2010, 9:50 GMT

    @Andrew Brighton(7.22AM)..if you take any short list of players in the other countries' All-Time XIs you would find that they would not be that good in some conditions/countries (perhaps except the Don)...that is what are law of averages would do to you.

  • Saravjit on August 9, 2010, 9:50 GMT

    Laxman indeed is Very Very Special.. Each of his runs are special.. It is the pure art of the strokeplay of his batting that makes him so very special to watch, Although he is only 200 to 300 odd runs ahead of Viru, in almost 30 odd more tests, the weightage of every run scored by him is more, when seen in the context of the game and also for the asthetic value.. his innings are always stylish, classy n timeless..

  • Antir on August 9, 2010, 9:49 GMT

    Dravid, Tendulker... Harare, Vengsaker or Laxman. I am going to go with Harare for sheer strength of will in the face of overwhelmings odds. But i do like both Vengsaker and Laxman very much.

  • Sehwagology on August 9, 2010, 9:47 GMT

    I find it amazing the number of people on these message boards that lionise Ganguly the test match batsman. He was a fine one day batsman and the leader India needed after Tendulkar's shortcomings and the match fixing scandal. However he was not a world class test match batsman and his average of 42 in the era of the run glut and bloated averages is not particularly impressive. Both Vishwanath and Vengsarkar played during periods when batting was considerably more difficult and yet averaged the same as Ganguly. Azharuddin and Laxman were also far superior test match batsmen. I can hardly remember any memorable test match innings played by Ganguly. As for this All-time XI Dravid and Tendulkar pick themselves as does Vishwanath. Given the choice between Azhar and Laxman I will plump for Azhar simply because he had that touch of genius that no other Indian batsman (with the exception of Sehwag) has possessed. However I'm certain the panel will select Laxman instead.

  • Saravjit on August 9, 2010, 9:47 GMT

    The most stylish batsman I have ever seen...... and one of the best crisis-players I have seen & one of the most under-rated too. VVS Laxman is right up there with Sunny, Sachin & Rahul. A very fine article. " he can conjure up the illusion that the crisis is not being tackled, it is being ignored " -- this sumps up his batting the best. Prime Ministers and Royalties wait when this gorgeous batsman wields his willow......... because there is no greater sight on a cricket field than watching VVS Laxman bat !!

    An Average of 54 in Matches Won not forgetting Calcutta 2001, Chennai 2001 , Adelaide 2004 , Jburg 2006 , The Recent Calcutta Test ag SA , This Test ag SL, Mumbai-2004 ag Aust ,72 not out ag Pak in Delhi -2007 and many such Knocks Such a Simple Man , Always Smiling

    Classy Wristy PLayer..............41 Tests won out of 113 Played 5 100's , 20 invaluable 50's.

    plus the Consistency in Last 10 Years since 281...............God Bless him

  • Qzjawed on August 9, 2010, 9:45 GMT

    Undoubtedly there are great batsman here tendulkar looks magnanimous and Select himself even in all time world 11 as long as fulfilling the the individual responsibility but scenario changes a lot when you have a captaincy onus where you need to assure wins and drows taking the team responsibility as know score century when you are other than a captain is different from having captained and score same runs and further know to hit plenty of runs and know to win a game( other then a rare lucky victories) is also a different thing though they seems complementary. And hence if you want to win the test who you need for other three spot are Dravid(Played well oveseas), Azhar (Scored run captaining the unit with exemplary fielding) and Ganguly ( Yeah,, You need to pay him high for his brought aggressiveness). However if you pick up All time playing 11 and all time winning then believe me you will not read the two list same!!! Strange but true...

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:44 GMT

    It's a damn difficult choice indeed. Wish we could have 4 slots instead of 3? With due respect to past stalwarts, my choices are: Sachin, Sourav, Laxman, and I Dravid comes a close 4th. My XI: 1.Gavaskar 2.Sehwag 3.Laxman 4.Tendulkar 5.Ganguly 6.Dhoni 7.Kapil Dev 8.Srinath 9.Kumble 10.Zaheer 11.Bedi/(another spinner)

  • nripan on August 9, 2010, 9:43 GMT

    my eleven is sehwag, gavaskar, dravid, sachin,laxman,vishy, dhoni,kapil,kumble, zaheer and prasanna.my fifteen will include chandrasekhar,srinath, azhar and gambhir more.there is no doubt that laxman inches ahead all other contenders for no. 5 spot.no other has a better credential than laxman taking into account his heroics when india is in trouble.he might at least have missed 2500 runs since he bats after sachin and dravid. remember, he was batting at 6 till ganguly retired.

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:40 GMT

    When it comes to provide solidity to the Middle Order with two solid guys in the middle, then there are only two choice left.. Laxman and Dravid.. No Tendulkar or Vengsarkar can come close to them.. Only records are not everything... How many innings Tendulkar has played as match winning or match saving knocks..? No offence to CK Naydu or Vijay Hazare or Umriga.. they are few of the most reputed players in Indian Cricket but modern test cricket needs some pacey innings which Laxman can provide and Dravid it "The Wall" and needs to be included any day in test match...

  • Navillus on August 9, 2010, 9:40 GMT

    3. Dravid, 4. Sachin ... no one can question that. As for no. 5, VVS Laxman has a much better average, at least as much artistry and more won matches to go for him against Vishwanath. And with his avearge catching up with that of Hazare's, logevity and the ability to play match changing innings will tilt the balance in his favour. He is also the one batsman comfortable in batting with the tail ... and if Indian team also goes in for 3 middle order batsmen followed by Kapil, more often than not he will be batting with Kumble and the others. So, VVS is definitely my pick as number 5. Of the others, Vengsarkar was excellent in the 80s, but was has hundreds in only India and England, which is against him. Azharuddin was too erratic, with a perescopic way of playing the bouncer. The rest are not in the same league.

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:36 GMT

    Sad, that i have to overlook Jimmy, Azhar, Pataudi, Saurav while penning the all time XI.

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:35 GMT

    dravid..sachin..dada n laxman make the best possible combination in the middle order...no chance to any other to interfare in that...this is the best possible combination team INDIA has ever had....

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:35 GMT

    As ever shortlisting 3 out of several contenders of immense talent and accomplishments is going to be an unwarranted task. Still, if you want me to pick 3 best middle order batsmen, then they are the following:

    1. Sachin Tendulkar: He is one player who will walk into any team and will be the first choice in anybody's list for the best batsmen ever (excepting perhaps Sir Don Bradman). Words can never express his ingenious batsmanship.

    2. Gundappa Vishwanath: Arguably the most stylish player ever. He is the pioneer of the wristy flicks. A player who can play any fast bowler or any spin bowler with utmost ease. A solid middle order player and one of the few players where his average never fully justifies the import that he carries as a batsman.

    3. Mohammad Azharudin: One who is closest to the class of Bradman and Sachin. I only wonder what he would have accomplished if he had never threw a game. A cricketer who was a delight for the followers of the game

  • Saravjit on August 9, 2010, 9:31 GMT

    VVS very very Consistent , an avg of 50 Plus last 10 years and the Maximum Match winning Knocks

    Vengsarkar made 6 100's ag windies but all on the Dead Indian Tracks incl two were against the Second String Windies Team which visited india in 78 owing to the Packer Crisis.

    Azhar , Ganguly technically Weak, a perennial bunny against the Quicks

  • Saravjit on August 9, 2010, 9:26 GMT

    It has to be Dravid , Sachin , VVS , Aamrnath with Kapil , Kirmani at 7,8

  • Gizza on August 9, 2010, 9:24 GMT

    Laxman and Ganguly don't cut it. An average under 50 in this day and age is not good enough. Laxman is probably the second-most beautiful and classiest batsman to watch after Tendulkar but an All-Time XI needs performance. My picks would be Tendulkar, Vishwanath and either Dravid or Hazare, though Dravid is probably ahead beacuse he is a specialist Number 3.

    Having said that Dravid has played some atrocious innings. When other players are in bad form they make a few runs in a few balls. Sehwag would nomally make 5 runs in 2 balls. But when Dravid is in bad form (just like the current Pakistanis) he makes 5 in 100 balls. I saw SO many of those innings during the 99-00 tour of Aus and when India toured SA that it became a joke. Test cricket is about accumulating runs, not scoring quickly. But the best batsmen each generation scored quickly for their time. In the old days, WG Grace, Bradman, Ranjitsinh and Hammond all scored quickly. More recently Viv Richards, Lara, Ponting and Sachin.

  • kool_bhavesh on August 9, 2010, 9:23 GMT

    Rahul , Sachin and Laxman

  • sanjutaz on August 9, 2010, 9:23 GMT

    sourav ganguly was a good one day batsman..but if he would be picked in this 11 ,that would be a weak link in this line up. first of all ,he doesn't have a sound technique ,and is a failure in batting in difficult circumstances..pardon me,he may get selected in a one day 11, but not in tests.

  • Capitalist_Cricketer on August 9, 2010, 9:22 GMT

    Based on my living memeory - I can easily pick up Sachin, Dravid. Would be tempted to get Vishy and Azhar together but then they would be identical. Id say col vengsarkar would get the nod besides Vishy.. but ofcourse its a proud line up. Been waiting for an Indian Test all time 11 since many years. Thanks Cricinfo.

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:19 GMT

    Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin, Vishy, VVS, Kirmani, Kapil, Srinath, Kumble, Prasanna.

    This is the all time XI which will grind out any team anywhere.

  • sytofern on August 9, 2010, 9:17 GMT

    Rahul Dravid Vijay Hazare & Sachin Tendulkar

  • sanjutaz on August 9, 2010, 9:16 GMT

    @supratik..either you are a blind viswanath fan or you don't know about vvs laxman..281&173 against australia are not the only brilliant inningses of vvs..he has made 16 centuries and most of them in difficult circumstances.his last century against sri lanka was also a match winning one on a day 5 in a spinning track. actually, sachin ,dravid and laxman select themselves in the all time greats.laxman has played many match saving and match winning inningses against tough oppositions.only rahul dravid can be compared to him in this regard.This great player always had to bat under tough circumstances..don't say things you don't know ,please..

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:13 GMT

    amarnath, tendulkar,azgaruddin, laxman

  • buntyj on August 9, 2010, 9:08 GMT

    for me the team must be capable of playing in all conditions - uncovered wickets, without helmets etc accordingly i would choose gavaskar and merchant to open, hazare, sachin and laxman in the middle, though i would otherwise have preferred sehwag for a top 5 place and mohinder amarnath to hazare if helmets are allowed all through and batting on contemporary flat covered pitches only; pataudi or surti as 12th man (better all round fielders than solkar who best forward short leg or than azhar never fielded at fwd short leg); engineer at wk/batsman at no 6 as he faced spin (india), medium(county)and pace (world xi)- kirmani close, tamhane perhaps best keeper), kapil as no 7 allrounder (best batting at 7, 8, 9)- also since vinoo mankad scored most of his good scores as opener and not in the middle though his home record as a bowler matches kumble; 1 of srinath, amar singh or nissar as fast bowler; bedi sla, prasanna or g ahmed (height) off spinner, gupte or chandra(abroad) leggie

  • Percy_Fender on August 9, 2010, 9:08 GMT

    The middle order should be Dravid, Tendulkar,Hazare and Laxman. I have had the good fortune of seeing all of them playing and I do feel sad in omitting someone like Vishwanath. It is only because just four names are supposed to make it. Hazare did brilliantly both in West Indies and against the Australian invincibles under Bradman in 1948. Apart from that he was a prolific scorer despite the limited number of Tests played in those days. Flawless of technique with an all round repertoire of strokes, I always felt that Hazare was one of the best batsmen of his time.He belonged to the Holkar- Baroda school of cricketers who were made to score not just hundereds. They looked to go on and on for days.They were fearless and there were only caps those days.I am referring to the Nimbalkars and the Gul Mohammeds and one Dennis Compton as well !For me Hazare was the Indian equivalent of Sir Len Hutton.

  • chndn on August 9, 2010, 9:05 GMT

    Its no doubt that for 3rd place dravid,almost,and for 4th place master blaster is fixed.there is no competition for them.for 5th place dere is competition between VVS,GV and Amarnath.Laxman has some gud innings for india in some gud victory.specially his 281 against austrailiaand latest 103* against srilanka.bt i think as his name he is very very special against austrailia which was top test team few year ago in cricket.my INDIA all-time XI is 1.Gavaskar 2. Sehwag 3.Dravid 4.Master Blaster 5.Laxman 6.Kapil 7.Dhoni(Wk) for batting line up.

  • Sach_is_Life on August 9, 2010, 9:04 GMT

    @Andrew Brighton: Just check their stats..except 3 or 4 ..everyone else has more or less similar avgs in home n away ..Enough said.

  • on August 9, 2010, 9:01 GMT

    @hlangl: you are right, certainly. However, that is why this is only a shortlist, and only 3 get selected out of it. Or two once you've selected Sachin.

    The line up so far, a/c to me: 1. Gavaskar 2. Sehwag 3. Dravid 4. Sachin 5. Vishwanath

    (had to slot Vishwanath at 5, Dravid as the best no. 3 and Sachin the undisputed no. 4 left no other slot.)

  • ashishkumar36 on August 9, 2010, 9:01 GMT

    My choices are - Sachin, Dravid and Hazare. My All Time India XI is - 1) Sunil Manohar Gavaskar-c 2) Virender Sehwag 3) Rahul Sharad Dravid 4) Sachin Tendulkar 5) Vijay Samuel Hazare 6) Mahendra Singh Dhoni - wk 7) Mulvantrai Himmatlal Mankad 8) Kapildev Ramlal Nikhanj-vc 9) Ladhabhai Nakum Amar Singh 10) Anil Kumble 11) Mohammad Nissar 12) Eknath Dhondu Solkar-12th man C. K. Nayudu - manager

    Bench :- * Gundappa Rangnath Viswanath * Vangipurappu Venkata Sai Laxman * Syed Mujtaba Hussein Kirmani * Javagal Srinath

  • bestbuddy on August 9, 2010, 8:55 GMT

    I find it really hard to pick anyone other than dravid and tendulkar, as their averages outside of the subcontinent are almost all way way below their overall averages - dravid is the only one in the list who has a better average away from india I believe? Azharuddin at home, Laxman away would be my choices, but its really a toss up...

  • AsifRathod on August 9, 2010, 8:50 GMT

    S.Gavaskar, V.Sehwag, R.Dravid, S.Tendulkar, G.Vishwanath, K. Dev, MS. Dhoni, A.kumble, BS Bedi, Z. Khan, J. Srinath. This is most likely All time XI India team.

  • djindal on August 9, 2010, 8:49 GMT

    I agree with Varunx. #3 is fixed for Dravid. Noone comes even closer.

    1. Gavaskar 2. Sehwag 3. Dravid 4. Tendu 5. Laxman/Azhar 6. Kapil 7. Mongia/Kirmani 8. Kumble 9. Srinath 10. Zaheer 11. Prasanna

    Dhoni doesnt match kirmani or Mongia in wicket keeping skills.

  • palfreyman on August 9, 2010, 8:48 GMT

    @cricfanraj

    Your chosen XI is nearly identical to mine. I might just have picked Harbhajan (despite his current poor form) for the fact that he has been an outstanding matchwinner for India (his record overall is quite good), and also brings some batting beef to the tail.

    But I do agree that I would probably pick Vishwanath over Laxman, Vengsarkar, Azhar or Ganguly. Fond memories of some magic innings by him in the '70s. :-)

  • on August 9, 2010, 8:43 GMT

    In my opinion, the all time greatest Indian side should play Laxman at no.3 , the only reason he's not playing there today was the constant fragility of the openers in the late 90's and early oughties which meant laxman would not be playing his natural game. but he greates ever side would have a safe combo of say sehwag/gavaskar (my pick) which means Laxman can walk at no.3 and attack pace & spin like no one else can. Dravid has all my respect but Laxman is a more desired no.3. Dravid would lay 2nd new ball at no.5 anyways. Sachin picks himself. Dada we love you but no thank you!

  • ejsiddiqui on August 9, 2010, 8:41 GMT

    Like the the detail about Sachin, indeed there is no need to give detail about Sachin. He could be selected in all time World XI.

  • Alok77 on August 9, 2010, 8:37 GMT

    My best Top 3 would be Dravid at 3 , without any doubt Tendulkar at 4 and Laxman at 5. Simple reason these 3 have saved and won matches for India very often.In my opinion Dravid and Sachin can fit into any team in the world. My Pick ( best 11) would be 1. Sehwag 2. Gavaskar 3. Dravid 4. Sachin 5. Laxman. 6. Dhoni 7. Kapil Dev 8..Anil Kumblle. 9. Srinath 10. Zaheer 11. Bishen Bedi

    i agree that Kirmani is a better Wicketkeeper than Dhoni but Dhoni is a better batsman and not at all a bad wicketkeeper as well as he is a great leader too thats why I went for Dhoni. You can also argue about Sehwag ahead of any technically more equipped opening batsman but Sehwag is a match winner and can destroy any attack. Also Bedi is a better bowler than Bhajji.

  • on August 9, 2010, 8:35 GMT

    My eleven would be Gavaskar, Sehwag, CK Nayudu, Tendulkar, Amarnath, Kapil, Kirmani, Srinath, Chandrasekhar,Zaheer/Ghavri, Prasanna 12th man would be Ravi Shastri. But there are so many deserving players who are left out like Eknath Solkar, Salim Durrani, Kumble, Champions in their own right but who dont fit into the scheme of things. I really wish Cricinfo takes up the simulations of matches between these all-time XIs, it would be an excellent read.

  • uglyhunK on August 9, 2010, 8:35 GMT

    @ Andrew Brighton - Plz check the runs scored by non-asians in Asia and by asians scored outside asia....

    Runs scored in Asia by non-asian cricketers

    http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;continent=2;filter=advanced;orderby=runs;team=1;team=2;team=3;team=4;team=5;template=results;type=batting

    Run scored outside Asia by Asian cricketers

    http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;continent=1;continent=3;continent=4;continent=5;filter=advanced;orderby=runs;team=25;team=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting

  • on August 9, 2010, 8:33 GMT

    I go with Sachin, Dravid and Laxman!!!

  • somalmighty_UK on August 9, 2010, 8:31 GMT

    Who said where?????that this India XI is for TEST only???????????????? Sunil Gavaskar has the worst record in ODI's. Laxman will never fit into the ODI side currently, forget about the best. I see many people have been ignoring Sourav Ganguly because compare to his test credentials where he has got 16 centuries his ODI batting was better. Same with Mohammed Azharuddin. Why?????????? As seen with Sunil Gavaskar that sometimes you can be very successfull in tests but absolutely crap in ODI. This team is not only for TESTS this team selection should also be based on ODI records as well because I believe we are looking for a complete batsman or bowler. So guys before you vote for your players consider players on all the formats of the game. (Exceptions for the oldies who played before ODI format was introduced)

  • Nitold123 on August 9, 2010, 8:29 GMT

    1 slot, as many have already said, is up for grabs. I was wondering how do we differentiate the contenders! Records:Home & Away?Vishy, Hazare & Azhar average around 35-36 away from home;Vengsarkar averages around 33. Ganguly & Laxman avg 40+;Laxman's avg across countries seems the most consistent.Laxman & Ganguly do not have much of a difference between home & away averages while the other 4 have a huge skew in favor of home averages. Amarnath averages almost 52 outside but just above 30 at home. Umrigar has a small difference of about +3 in favor of home average. Again, wondering how we view a long playing career vs a shorter one(hazare: 30 matches). Do we consider certain innings or series winning performances of certain players?I feel it would be difficult to make a completely objective choice for the 3rd MO spot. It will boil down to personal favorites of the panel.For me, it's a choice among Laxman(consistency), Vishy(artistry) & Ganguly(leftie+seamer) with Ganguly sneaking in.

  • SRT_Jammy_Dada_VVS_and_Anil_legends on August 9, 2010, 8:26 GMT

    Is it just me or are we wondering how an all-time Indian XI can only have 5 batsmen?? It's not like Kapil Dev or any of our keepers was ever good enough to bat at 6 to justify the inclusion of an extra bowler. None of our teams have ever had less than 6 batsmen. Yet Cricinfo decides to go against history and logic. We need 6 batsmen (Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly (captain), Laxman), a keeper (Kirmani/Engineer), 2 fast bowlers (Kapil Dev who doubles as an all-rounder, Srinath) and 2 spinners (Kumble, Bedi) or get an extra spinner (Chandrasekhar) in place of Srinath. The team composition should reflect India's historical strengths of batting and spin bowling. So how when every other side has 6 batsmen India has only 5? In fact if we wanted to get creative Dravid could either open or take up the keeping gloves to open up another batting or spinning spot. But for goodness sake India must have 6 batters!!

  • nrravid on August 9, 2010, 8:23 GMT

    My choice would be Dravid, Tendulkar and Vishy. Batting order would be Gavaskar, Vijay Hazare, Dravid, Tendulkar, Vishy, Kapil, Kirmani, Srinath, Kumble, Bedi or Zaheer(2nd choice) and Prasanna or Venkat (2nd choice).

  • KAIRAVA on August 9, 2010, 8:18 GMT

    Considering the batting averages, conditions and the bowlers that they had to face, the top 4 can be grouped as below:

    Best No.3 - From among Dravid, Amarnath, Umringar, it is obviously Dravid who perfectly fitsin the bill as anchorman denting the new ball and keeping one end safe.

    Best No.4 - From among Sachin, Nayudu, Pataudi and Vengsarkar, the sheer weightage of class and the tons of runs shifts the pendulium towards Sachin, who can play according to the conditions ,i.e., attack/defend at will.

    Best No.5 - From among the elegant and stylish batsman of the calibre of Laxman, Azhar and Vishwanth, Vishwanth sneaks (only just) into the elite list due to the sheer quality of the pace bowling that he had to face and saving India many at time.

    Best No. 6 - Between Ganguly & Hazare, my vote goes in favour of Hazare as he was the better batsman when it comes to fighting against the odds. An example would be his gem innings of 56 when India were zero for loss of 4 wkts against Trueman.

  • legend1984 on August 9, 2010, 8:17 GMT

    3 - dravid, the wall 4 - god (he was/is/will there for all time world XI itself, then nothing need to say for ind XI) 5 - laxman

    There is only fab 3 in test matches. yes, ganguly is one of the most overrated test batsman, check his test avg that says everything & he'll run away if you say that green top pitch is ahead.

  • on August 9, 2010, 8:16 GMT

    Amarnath is better than Dravid against real fast bowling. Dravid is poor in Australia and S africa. I personaly think Dravid is very weak against quality leg spin and left arm spinners (he failed many times/several occations) against even kenyan's asif karim and bangladesh's m rafique). The Finest no 3 for India is Amarnath not Dravid. No 4 is Tendulkar. Its a hard one for no 5 , so many good names: laxman, vishy, ganguly, azhar and hazare. I would like to pick match winner /saver for test match here and my shortlist is Laxman /Azhar. I am taking azhar because I honesly believe, he is much better batsman then his record and average (45.03). I will definately pick laxman as 12th man in this team.

  • on August 9, 2010, 8:16 GMT

    Completely agree with VarunX, the anther's comment that only 1 players picks himself is a insult to Dravid. The man who has better away average and more match winning and match saving knocks then Sachin is head and shoulders above rest except Sachin.

  • subbu987 on August 9, 2010, 8:11 GMT

    Among Laxman, Vishy, Azharuddin and Vengsarkar, only Laxman averages more than 50 in the away test matches. Other three average aroung 35 each. Still how can you rate them above Laxman? We all know that Lax plays well in tough conditions unlike others who hammer lots and lots of runs in home conditions. My selection is Dravid, Sachin and Laxman on any day.

  • jr2012 on August 9, 2010, 8:10 GMT

    @ Andrew Brighton:: It becomes pretty clear how many of these 'great' batsmen are great batsmen when you look at their records and averages outside of India.

    Let's see this is too easy:

    Ponting's average in India: 20 Tendulkar's average in Australia: 59

    enuf said!

  • tkmad on August 9, 2010, 8:09 GMT

    What about bowlers- will there be a reader's poll? Please do not forget Subhash Gupte and his 3 versions of the googly- the faster one, the 'obvious' one and the deadly 'concealed' one. Unfortunately our fielding in those days let him down.

  • on August 9, 2010, 8:06 GMT

    Where is sunny ..??? rofl.... He is undoubtedly NO 1 Batsman in History of Test cricket...

  • BadeBaba on August 9, 2010, 8:05 GMT

    I would pick Sachin, Dravid and Laxman any day, but it is unfair to put Pataudi in the same group. He was worth his weight in gold just by his presence. I would choose Pataudi as the Captain of an All time India XI ANY DAY.

  • on August 9, 2010, 8:01 GMT

    my team will be like this.....Sehwag,Gavaskar,Dravid,Sachin,Umrigar,Kapil(c),Kirmani(wk),Kumble,Amar Singh,Prasanna/Chandrashekhar,Srinath

  • on August 9, 2010, 7:55 GMT

    Amarnath records is much better than dravid against real pace attack, so my finest number three is m amarnath. Dravid is poor in australia and s africa. No 4 is tendulkar. Number 5 is hard to pick amongst laxman, ganguly, azhar and vishy. I picked the elegant azharuddin .

  • laxman_sachin_devotee on August 9, 2010, 7:50 GMT

    1000 characters are too less to list out all the performances where the saying "cometh the hour cometh the (lax)MAN" are appropriate. Generally style & substance are considered mutually exclusive qualities but here is a batsman who has combined these 2 in equal measure throughout his career. Will hype & hoopla score over quiet modesty & understated but immense skill & ability to handle pressure in the eyes of another selection panel. If so, I wont be losing sleep over it. Laxman's test & ODI career has made me numb to selectorial blunders. I will just wait for Aus to arrive. Another 4th innings chase of 260+ for India. Top 3 back in the pavilion with less than 50 on board. Pitch turning square & hauritz looking nigh on unplayable while ponting looking smug. Tension palpable in the ground, dressing room & so many drawing rooms in India. VVS will come, mark his guard & bisect the gap between mid on & mid wicket off the 1st ball he faces from Hauritz. And we'll all relax & breathe again.

  • ChinmayD on August 9, 2010, 7:49 GMT

    I don't see what's the problem here. It has to be Dravid - Tendulkar - Polly Umrigar.

    I can't believe how anyone can select Viswanath over Umrigar.

  • PcDadda on August 9, 2010, 7:47 GMT

    @thianavi - Well that applies for all 'great' batsmen not just the Indians. Do you know that Ponting averages 20-odd in India; 44-something in England; and his average overseas is less than 50? The story remains the same for Yousuf, Inzy, Sanga, Mahela (terrible overseas) Pieterson, Lara, etc. etc. So what exactly are you trying to say -I hope you do not mean to say that Sachin, Dravid, VVS do not deserve the recognition they've got?

  • thianavi on August 9, 2010, 7:42 GMT

    For all those overlooking Saurav - here's the thing...The team needs a captain. Any team, no matter the talent, comes undone without an able leader. And I cannot think of a better person to captain the all time XI than Ganguly. Should'nt that also be given weightage in addition to batting averages and high scores? Plus, he can turn his arm around (esp. in swinging conditions). Plus, he would likely be the only left-handed batsman in the team. My all time XI: 1.Virender Sehwag 2.Sunil Gavaskar 3.Rahul Dravid 4.Sachin Tendulkar 5.Saurav Ganguly(c) 6.Kapil Dev N 7.SMH Kirmani(wk) 8.Anil Kumble 9.Zaheer Khan 10.S Venkataraghavan/EAS Prasanna & 11.BS Chandrasekhar Ooh, imagine the close in fielding! sunny, venky and The Wall around the bat...and kapil manning either mid-on or mid-wicket. Otherwise, this is a really weak feilding side... i have to say....

  • ilovesachin10dulkar on August 9, 2010, 7:35 GMT

    After reading that some of the enthusiastic cricket fans are putting MSD as a first choice wicket keeper, it seems like our generation X does not know anything about Nayan Mongia and Said Kirmani, except that they are "fourth umpire" hosts. Said Kirmani is one of the better keeper India has prduced. I am definitely a great fan of MSD, the way he has captained the man in blue and the ballistic batting of his are really a big positives MSD has got. But when it comes to chosing all time XI, he falls somewhere short, not in terms of his capability but in terms of the experience he has got and consistency he has shown. He has surely won test matches for india as a captain. But he still has to prove his batting worth in the teams in the test matches. He hasn't been greately consistent with the bat in tests. I am not talking about his ODI performances (if we were to chose ODI team, he would have been a assured pick).

  • on August 9, 2010, 7:35 GMT

    my team will be like this.....Sehwag,Gavaskar,Dravid,Sachin,Umrigar,Kapil(c),Kirmani(wk),Kumble,Amar Singh,Prasanna/Chandrashekhar,Srinath

  • on August 9, 2010, 7:34 GMT

    Why not Ravi Shasthry in this middle order list???????

  • maddy1986 on August 9, 2010, 7:33 GMT

    well the fab four have the rights to be in the list of all time -xi beco they are the one lais the foundation for india becoming no-1 in the test match

  • laxman_sachin_devotee on August 9, 2010, 7:32 GMT

    7. 69 off 127 on a track on which the mighty Aussies got bowled over for 93 on the same day & Clarke scuttled 6 Indian wickets 8. 104 against SL to rescue India from 97/5 to 398 & ensure instead of drawing the series 1-1, India won it 2-0 9. 100 & 63 in 3rd test in WI to earn a draw which ensured the series was 0-0 going into the final test that India won. 10. Top scorer in India's only test win in SA till date with a valuable 73 batting with the tail to ensure that India had enough runs in the bank, even though Ganguly got all the hype as this was his comeback test. But that is what always happens with Laxman. 11. 72* to rescue India from 93/5 to 276 at Kotla against Pak & that was the only result in a 3 match series. 12. 79 off 130 at Perth to take India to 294 from 125/5 & set Aussies a target in excess of 400, which meant the 1st loss for them in Perth in a decade 13. 42* off 142 in 3 hours to draw the 1st test against Aus in Bangalore & pave the way for a 2-0 series win.

  • tilak04 on August 9, 2010, 7:26 GMT

    Rahu, Sachin and Vishy fr me

  • on August 9, 2010, 7:22 GMT

    I wasn't implying none of these batsmen are great as many are. Rather there are as many as 6 players here who did not or could not perform in foriegn conditions.

  • on August 9, 2010, 7:20 GMT

    Two spots are no brainer, about the 3rd its difficult one.. for me its a shot out between 4 contenders Visy, Azhar, Hazare and VVS . The 4th innings century aganst Srilanka has increased Laxman's stock. Visy was a lone class batsman among mediocres, but he was not consistent enough. Hazare done little apart from his Adelaide miracle, and again he didnot play enough tests to merit a place in all time XI . Azhar was great on his day but his performance in the away tests( average of 36 as opposed to 55 average in home tests) diminishes his case . So i would go with VVS due to his consistency and performance in pressure situation.

  • on August 9, 2010, 7:19 GMT

    all time 11 is VIrendra sehwag, sunil gavaskar, rahul dravid, sachin tendulkar, M azharudin(c), VVS laxman, M dhoni, Kapil dev, Anil Kumble, Zaheer Khan, Javagal srinath.

  • laxman_sachin_devotee on August 9, 2010, 7:17 GMT

    Will this selection panel be also guilty of the offence of not backing a batsman of VVS Laxman's class & ability to make the most high pressure situations look like a walk in the park? If they are, they would have to make themselves blind to his record against the best team of his generation(arguably of all time) not just in India but also in their backyard. No one can forget 281, the greatest test innings by an Indian ever & by a considerable margin, but these innings are often forgotten: 1. 66 off 82 chasing 153 in Chennai 2001 when India lost 8 wickets in the chase of 153 2. 2 fifties & MOM in India's 1st test win in WI after 26 years 3. 154* in 9 hours to save a test at Kolkata against WI 4. 171 unbeaten runs in 10.5 hours which save India the embarrassment of losin a test series at home against NZ 5. 148 & 32 off 34 in a tricky chase of 230 at Adelaide to play the perfect foil to Dravid 6. 178 in SCG where he dazzled even Sachin with his sublime strokeplay

  • shwet on August 9, 2010, 7:16 GMT

    aah tough.. not the down 2 which we all can pick in even unconsciousness .. but no. 3 and 5

    no. 3 to me Vengsarkar scores equal to dravid.. no personal bias but colonel was the holding middle order and single handedly used to strengthen the entire batting line up.. wher dravis has the liberty of reliance on guys like sachin, azhar, laxman, dada and sehvag around.. I pick Colonel.. but if Dravid gets the majority I dont mind.. he certainly deserves to be there no. 5 Again the same pain.. azhar, wishy or Laxi.. which pair of wrists to pick.. ?? feels like I kid who wants all.. hmm OK Azhar

  • nataraajds on August 9, 2010, 7:13 GMT

    it's Darvid , Sachin and Vishy to fill in #.3,4 & 5 slot. for #3 &.4 there is no one to match with Dravid & Sachin , they are the best. and No.5. Vishy,Azhar & Ganguly are strong contestant and vishy is my choice and India never seen such a classy cricketor

  • on August 9, 2010, 7:07 GMT

    Not very impressed the way article is written. I agree with @Longmemory; the line-up of fab-four was one of the best and not the best, especially during a period where the Oz dominated worlc cricket. As far as choices go, a waste of time discussing no.4 slot. For 3 I guess Dravid has been India's best. 5th position is very tricky. Dont thinkg Dada or Laxman or Azhar will get that spot. Probably GRV or Amarnath may come.

  • prasun1519 on August 9, 2010, 7:05 GMT

    What a fabulous list among which only 3 to select, rather 1 to select as no. 3 & no. 4 are selected undoubtedly. Among the rest, the competition between Hazare, Vishy, Amarnath, Vengsarkar, Azhar, Ganguly & Laxman. Hazare's performance is impressive but he usually batted at no. 4 which is reserved for Sachin. Ganguly's record against top bowling lineup is not often impressive. Also Azhar's record in fast pictch is poor. Vengsarkar & Amarnath are both good middle order batsmen, but in comparison with Vishy & Laxman, they are behind as per record and style. So remains Vishy and Laxman, both are artist. Vishy has a great achievement, India never lost when Vishy scored a century! But Laxman is slightly ahead in terms of batting in critical condition. Laxman played his best when India in immense pressure and also Laxman has knack of playing long innings. So my vote is for Laxman. Sorry to Vishy :(. My choice of middle order is Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxmn.

  • thianavi on August 9, 2010, 7:03 GMT

    @ Andrew Brighton: It becomes pretty clear how many of the world's 'great' batsmen are great batsmen when you look at their records and averages in India. See, it works both ways!

  • HLANGL on August 9, 2010, 7:01 GMT

    Too many players. Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Azaruddin, Wishwanath & Vijay Hazare would have been enough as contenders here for the middle order. Ganguly would fit into all-time Indian ODI team without much fuss, as he may be the perfect complement for more attacking Shewag or classy Tendulka,r & a classy solid player in his own right too, but I'm afraid, he would not be in all-time test middle order. Vensakar may be a very fine & fighting batsman, still would fell short of all-time XI. Players like Amaranath, Umrigar would have been fine batsmen, but nowhere near greatness. Pataudi may well be unlucky to be short in sight, otherwise he would have gathered far better recognition as a batsman, still he's pretty much an "if" case, unfortunate may be, but in picking all-time XI, you got to consider who had proven by doing the best in the history.

  • Wailer on August 9, 2010, 6:58 GMT

    OMG.......... this is really difficult, we are picking an alltime indian team, going to play against all time players of different countries, So my first five will be......Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Viswanath

  • Varunx on August 9, 2010, 6:55 GMT

    I disagree with the author's last comment that 2 spots are up for debate. Its an insult to Dravid. #5 is the only question, and I will go with VVS Laxman. He is a treat to watch and has a better middle order average than other nominees. My XI-> 1. Gavaskar 2. Sehwag 3. Dravid 4. God 5. Laxman 6. Kapil Dev 7. Dhoni 8. Kumble 9. Srinath 10. Zaheer 11. Prasanna I wont go for an extra batsman at no. 6 and drop one of the seamers. Its a negative attitude.

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:50 GMT

    One thing I know. laxman will miss. Not because he is not up to the mark, he sure is but he has and will remain a perennial suspect in last eleven, be it current team or all time greats. He remains an enigma as all the records are shown dustbin and he remains most underrated as always. His great knocks are forgotten very fast , except 281, and his failures under pressure when 'greats' have already failed are mocked at.

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:49 GMT

    i believe that there is no need of long thoughts.i can say that Best combination is DRAVID,SACHIN,GANGULY. The best middle order batsmen of the indian cricket history forever atleast.

  • Sitting-on-a-gate on August 9, 2010, 6:47 GMT

    What needs to be seen is that though there were the Umrigars, the Hazares, the Vengsarkars and the Amarnaths, it was only afterthe fab four arrived that India started winning matches and series consistantly, abroad as well as in India. That this happened along with a general deterioration in quality pitches in India making even spinners struggle and bouncier tracks in SA, Aus & Eng add more sheen to this Middle Order. While Dravid & Tendulkar are shoo ins, my vote for the third place will go to either VVS for his contribution in winning causes, ot to Vishy for his fearless batting...

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:43 GMT

    One cannot think of a better batsman than Rahul Dravid when picking batsmen for Test World XI or for Test India XI (best ever). Second choice would be Sachin. Third choice is a tough one. I haven't seen a lot of the earlier Indian batsmen play which makes it even tougher to pick the third one. For now I'll go with Sourav.

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:42 GMT

    Dravid and tendulkar pick themselves automatic choices .. between laxman ,vishy and amarnath real tough choice especially when laxman's latest offering so fresh in people mind sorry about azhar and ganguly and vengsarkar will be surprised if they make it

  • hatrick26 on August 9, 2010, 6:41 GMT

    Actually, Jimmy Amarnath has an compelling stat going for him for the 3rd spot because he has a better average outside Asia than in Asia. (4th best all time for Asian Cricketers) Better than everybody in this list except Sachin/Dravid. On that being said, I really do not know who should get the 3rd spot. On one hand, I would like to pick Ganguly because he would be the only left handed batsman in this eventual all-time XI but each one of Laxman, Hazare & Vishy make this very tough, indeed. I would remove Vishy of the list because he was a poor fielder and slow between wickets. Believe it or not, he was my favorite when I was a small kid growing up. I think Laxman would be the best choice because he handled the best team in this era very well and Ganguly was always a suspect against quality pacers and I do not know much about Hazare except for his decent stats. Pataudi would be the choice if this team needed a captain but unfortunately that cant get him into this team.

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:41 GMT

    3 and 4..RD and SRT..No.5 hmmmm..I ll go with Sourav, let us have at least one lefty in the top 7..

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:34 GMT

    My three picks are sachin,dravid and dada. . I would pick dada because he adds mental strength to d side. . He adds further confidence to d side. .

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:34 GMT

    A crime to choose only three, actually just two - you don't have a choice against God.

    But who will captain the all time 11?

    Gavaskar was too defensive. Kapil Dev and God never enjoyed leading a Test team. Dhoni would be good if chosen but he is leading a side with best openers and middle order. Sehwag? Dravid?

    Yes you know where i am going.... I don't care about the records or the ability to face fast bouncers!

  • buntyrewa on August 9, 2010, 6:33 GMT

    I would select four middle order batsman from these n the fourth one should be dada for his bowling n captaincy abilities..dravid n sachin pick themselves.these was a toss between azhar n vvs but i go wid azhar..

    My team would be....

    sunny sehwag dravid tendulkar azhar ganguly kapil dhoni kumble srinath zaheer.

  • george204 on August 9, 2010, 6:30 GMT

    I agree with Andrew Brighton on (August 09 2010, 05:22 AM GMT), however Dravid & Tendulkar clearly pick themselves. For the third spot I'd choose Dilip Vengsarakar - he was a seriously classy batsman & would have made hay in this era (average of 42 against '80s attacks on '80s pitches is worth at least 10 more than that now). Anyone good enough for Malcolm Marshall to hold a vendetta against has to be wirth something! (& I seriously doubt that even Sachin would have stood much of a chance against Marshall in his pomp...)

  • gmoturu1 on August 9, 2010, 6:27 GMT

    its not tough......dravid, tendulkar, vvs period

  • usman_nile1994 on August 9, 2010, 6:27 GMT

    3. Dravid and 4. Tendulkar but i m confused over Laxman Vishwanath and Azharuddin for no.5. 6th would be Dhoni 7. Kapil Dev 8. Kumble 9. Amar Singh 10. Mohd.Nissar 11. Bishan Bedi Many would think why i chose Amar Singh and Mohd Nissar. They both had great careers (even though very short) but their 1st class averages reflect what they could do if they would have played longer. And i would definitely not chose Zaheer Khan and Srinath. They are good but not great. I wish Irfan Pathan could have a longer career so i could think about him

  • rajithchp on August 9, 2010, 6:25 GMT

    gavaskar,sehwag,dravid,sachi,vishy,kapil,kirmani,kumble,zaheer,sreenath,prasanna

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:24 GMT

    Forget about Indian all time XI, Rahul and sachin would be in any all time XI. One of the best No3 and No4 in cricket. Laxman would be in No.5. Again, we talk a lot about the players of 70s and 80s and their ability to play pace machines of WI but still India started to win more in abroad only after the fab. four came in to the big scene. Even when waugh's team were at the peak they couldn't conquer India.

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:19 GMT

    WTH... Only three places ? You must be kidding...!! How can you do that ??? SRT, The Wall, VVS, Dada, Vishy all for the pick.. For 3 positions... Impossible job. I'm gonna have a brain hemorrhage... I'm still guessing, are there more big players for # 6 position with all these greats in this list...???

  • AB99 on August 9, 2010, 6:17 GMT

    The BIG FOUR - Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly, LAxman form the middle order. Give me better players than these four ... so the batting line-up would read - Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Ganguly (C), Kapil Dev, Kirmani, Kumble, Zaheer, EAS Prasanna or Dilp Doshi (with Sehwag being the third spinner and Ganguly the third seamer)

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:15 GMT

    India definitely has the best middle order to choose from.I guess its goin to be 3-dravid 4-tendulkar 5-vishwanath 6-ganguly cause im a kkr fan.

  • sdpuri on August 9, 2010, 6:12 GMT

    It has to be the Fab Four. Dravid and the SRT are the best ever at Nos.3 and 4. Ganguly's contribution is far more than that as a batsman. He was arguably the India's best captain, brought in another Fab player in Sehwag and made overseas Test victories a regular occurence. As for VVS, he is Test batsmanship personified, elegant, graceful but unyielding in tough situations. Amarnath and Vengsarkar were class acts but lack Test victories in away Tests (except vs England in 1986).

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:12 GMT

    It's important to find a place for Sawrav Ganguly...he's the only choice for left hand batting

  • Abaa on August 9, 2010, 6:06 GMT

    Numbers 3 & 4 are definitely taken up by Dravid and Tendulkar ... Absolutely no doubt about that! As for the no.5 position, that is your problem Cricinfo :o)

  • on August 9, 2010, 6:00 GMT

    Sachin, Ganguly & Laxman.

  • dr_sachinfan_chennai on August 9, 2010, 5:56 GMT

    So far so good. Seems Viru, Sunny, Jammy, The Master had been almost unanimous picks. So whose 5th. A tie up between Vishy, Lax and Dada... So is Dada better option just that he provides variation being a left hander and can chip in few overs. He even opened bowling once in Kolkatta against Aussies in 98..

  • Razmian on August 9, 2010, 5:54 GMT

    It will be Dravid, Tendulkar and Ganguly, I have put Ganguly ahead of Mohammad Azharuddin because of his captaincy record.

  • rovar on August 9, 2010, 5:53 GMT

    This is tough, really tough. Still my choice will be RD, SRT & VVS. For the rest sorry, you all still will be special players in our history & heart.

  • Jim1207 on August 9, 2010, 5:49 GMT

    @Longmemory: I agree that the author should have put the words as you have said. But wait, where do Hayden and Gilly come in middle order? Just because Aussie were the best team of the era, it doesn't mean that they would become bet middle order of the world, I guess you can include Gillespie's double ton as he was playing in middle order. Langer had a less average than Laxman, Mark equal to Sourav. Steve equal in class to Dravid but still less average. Ponting in same class as Sachin. So India definitely edge over Aus middle order, when you combine Hayden, Slater and Gilly, I agree Aus were the best. But agree the truth about middle order and try to digest the truth when Indian Journos say! And, your middle having less average than India's means that your guys got bowled by worse forgettable bowlers like Agarkar. We can say thousand reasons to prove hundred points but you can't take away the fame of fab four! I agree only your last sentence.

  • Riyazdeen on August 9, 2010, 5:49 GMT

    Dravid, Sachin, Laxman... no doubt

  • JK.5555 on August 9, 2010, 5:48 GMT

    gavskar,sehvag,dravid,sachin,v.v.s.laxman,kapil,.....,kumble.....,zahir,........

  • on August 9, 2010, 5:40 GMT

    OMG how can u choose 3 out of this fabulous fabulous middle order but sachin & dravid pick themselves leaving us with only 1 to pick from & i will pick very very special laxman

  • cricfanraj on August 9, 2010, 5:39 GMT

    Let me repeat what most of us are saying . Rahul and Sachin 3&4 no further questions. 5th place is between Laxman and Vishy. I've seen Vengsarkar and Amarnath batting. They are good but not the best. Azar is always a class player but quality wise VVS beats him. Saurav would have been on top in my Oneday squad but test I'm sorry he is not in the list also . Except Hazare others are not that great. Now the difficult one who is between Laxman & Vishy .Both of them can play Pace and Spin with ease.Lax got lil problems against Wasim but that was as an opener.He comes just after Tendulkar to play and attack pace. Qualitywise Vishy got edge but Laxman is far more consistence.hmm let me pick Vishy . My 11 . Gavaskar,Sehwag,Dravid,tendulkar,Vishy,Kapil,Dhoni,Sreenath, Zaheer,Kumble and Prasanna.

  • on August 9, 2010, 5:38 GMT

    Pretty hard to leave out one of the fab four! My idol or the Man of the hour? Ganguly or Laxman...Hard to decide....

  • Bryan999 on August 9, 2010, 5:31 GMT

    When was India Test #1? Why is India Test #1? For Batsman, my simple methodology is to go through the batting statistics (runs, averages and perfomance). Undoubtedly, the batsman for 3rd and 4th position are "DRAVID" and "SACHIN" respectively. The arguement will definitely be for the 5th position. No offence against the other contenders but for me; the man of caliber for this position is "LAXMAN". Why? 1) 4th highest run getter in test (7415 runs) for India, 2) Better average than the rest of the contender for 5th position (47.22; qlf>30 tests), 3) Perfoms in difficult/testing/bad situations, 4) Match Winner/ Rescuer (281 vs Australia, 103 vs Lankans etc.), 5) Safe hands (2nd highest catches in test; 118). I'll definitely follow-up to defend his position in harmony with the questions against his potential.

  • BhuvG on August 9, 2010, 5:29 GMT

    What a fine batsmen they all were (or are), and importantly, what a gentlemen they all are off the field, with probably one exception with dirty match fixing background. These are men of character and substance, and I believe, that's what make them great. They would have been at their best in any field they had chosen. Fortunately for India, they chose Cricket as their passion (not profession). I am afraid if we're watching the last generation of the best India has ever have to offer, but I am optimistic. Though I never watched players who played before 80s, I am sure they all are deserving to be considered in the list. No matter if they got selected into final XI or not, they should be proud to be in the list. My pick: Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid & Gundappa Vishwanath. The first two should be unanimous. I rate Vishy and Laxman of same caliber.

  • enjoyabrar on August 9, 2010, 5:29 GMT

    my X1 would be like this 1.sehwag 2.ganguly 3.dravid 4.sachin 5.azhar 6.kapil 7.PATAUDI 8.syed kirmanii(wk)9.KUMBLE 10.ZAHEER 11.SRINATH

  • Rama_N on August 9, 2010, 5:23 GMT

    Dravid, Sachin and Laxman for me. Sachin picks himself. Dravid is the best one-down batsman in the list. That leaves one spot for debate... Although old stalwarts like Vishy and Mohinder Amarnath were great, Laxman has proven himself to be a consistent performer throughout his career and some of his best performances have come against the best bowling team.. Australia. Many times in his career, he has had to bat with the tailenders and that could be the reason why his already enviable stats do not look better. Normally he is the last recognized batsman in the lineup before the wicketkeeper and he has handled that responsibility really well to make the list.

  • Rama_N on August 9, 2010, 5:23 GMT

    Dravid, Sachin and Laxman for me. Sachin picks himself. Dravid is the best one-down batsman in the list. That leaves one spot for debate... Although old stalwarts like Vishy and Mohinder Amarnath were great, Laxman has proven himself to be a consistent performer throughout his career and some of his best performances have come against the best bowling team.. Australia. Many times in his career, he has had to bat with the tailenders and that could be the reason why his already enviable stats do not look better. Normally he is the last recognized batsman in the lineup before the wicketkeeper and he has handled that responsibility really well to make the list.

  • Supratik on August 9, 2010, 5:22 GMT

    Plethora of riches - the Indian middle order story has been. It will be a pity to leave out some of the greats since only 3 will and should be selected. 2 select themselves. The tough one will be the 3rd choice between Hazare (whom I like most have not seen), Vishy, Vengsarkar, Azharuddin, Amarnath & Laxman. My vote would go to the great Vishwanath. No.3 - Dravid India's greatest one drop. No.4 - Tendulkar full-stop! No.5 - Vishy, the one who played at his best when it mattered the most. The only complaint if any would be his inconsistency. However, the beauty of his batting made worth going miles to watch.(85-87) Vengsarkar& Amarnath miss out since their peaks were for short time and without the helmet would have fallen by the wayside. Azhar though a delight to watch, was a fair-weather batsman. Laxman - Take out the 281 & 173 against Australia and inconsistency stares you in the face. Hazare - Though his stats are impressive, his game was based on defense mainly. RD-SRT-GRV!

  • on August 9, 2010, 5:22 GMT

    It becomes pretty clear how many of these 'great' batsmen are great batsmen when you look at their records and averages outside of India.

  • on August 9, 2010, 5:20 GMT

    It becomes pretty clear how many of these 'great' batsmen are great batsmen when you look at records and averages outside of India.

  • Sach_is_Life on August 9, 2010, 5:19 GMT

    Aaaahh...Must b one of the toughest pick..Sachin n Rahul picks themselves 4 sure..But whom in Hazare,Vishi,Azhar,VVS and Dada to pick..Damn..My Mind says Vishi or VVS but my heart says Dada or Azhar..Ohhh..Gawwwwd..may b i'll go with Rahul,Sachin and Vishi ..:(

  • on August 9, 2010, 5:17 GMT

    Rahul and Sach pick themselves.. But No.5 takes a toss with Azhar, Vengsarkar, Vishy, Pataudi, Umrigar, VVS, Dada vying for the spot.. Though all the above mentioned players play cricket better than Dada., he brings in a lot of steel, character, spirit to this side. A very capable guy to lead this legendary side even more than both the World cup winning skippers.. Also a different dimension with a left handed batsman.. He is more valuable than his records.. 1.Sunny 2. Viru 3. Rahul 4. Sach 5. Dada 6. Kapil 7. MSD 8. Srinath 9. Zaheer 10. Kumble 11. Bedi/Bhajji/Prasanna/Venkatraghavan..

  • RSG476 on August 9, 2010, 5:16 GMT

    I would go with Dravid, Tendulkar and Vishwanath. While Hazare, Vengsarkar and Amarnath would be great choices also, Dravid is the undoubtedly the one with the tightest technique and with success across the globe and on all pitches. Tendulkar does not need to be debated on. For the last position I would go for Vishwanath simply because of his record against the best bowling of his times - in 74-75 in Chennai, in 75-76 in WI. Sure, his reflexes showed him up against Imran, but that fate befell Vengsarkar too and he had never had a nightmare run against anyone like Mohinder did in 1983-84 against WI in India. For the 6th spot, I would have Ganguly simply because he gives options as a bowler over Laxman or Azhar and gives the team one left handed bat

  • rohan024 on August 9, 2010, 5:15 GMT

    To put Azharudin in the same list is a shame...batting is allright but how could you put a tainted name in a list of greats...and dont tell me hes not convicted by court, the CBI report is for everyone to see...

  • on August 9, 2010, 5:12 GMT

    I grew up in the generation of the Fab Four and am currently witness to some rather unfortunate and shoddy middle order skills. My picks without a second thought are the former -didn't see the better predecessors, and don't see quality in their successors !

  • GLB_INAMDAR_TEAM on August 9, 2010, 5:08 GMT

    3. Rahul Dravid 4. Sachin 5. Vishwanath / Lakshman / Gangya 6. Kapil Dev

  • tusharsb on August 9, 2010, 5:06 GMT

    My All Time Indian XI :1. Gavaskar 2.Sehwag 3. Dravid 4.Tendulkar 5.Laxman 6 Vinoo Mankad/Hazare/... (debatable) 7.Dhoni/Engineer 8.kapil 9.Srinath 10. S Gupte 11.ZaK or Prasanna. Laxman has won us quite a few really difficult to win matches. Mankad was an outstanding alrounder! Hazare was an outstanding batsman who could also bowl (really good first class record). S. Gupte was a class act ...did not need pitch to assist him unlike others!! Don't know how good were Mhd Nissar and Amar Singh!!

  • on August 9, 2010, 5:06 GMT

    Real disgrace to see Saurav Ganguly's name in that list! Come one now, how could he be in the test side?! So, till now, my team is: Sehwag, Gavaskar, Dravid, Sachin, Vishwanath

  • ak1983 on August 9, 2010, 4:59 GMT

    Dravid, Tendulkar, Azharuddin

  • on August 9, 2010, 4:53 GMT

    Well I believe after the names of Sachin and Dravid, it became difficult or almost impossible for other gud players to be in there..... only the 5th spot can be a part of debate....I found VVS to be most suitable batsman at that place....

    Also, Loved the description for Sachin.... I mean a cricket team without God...How can that be possible? :)

  • aruntheselector on August 9, 2010, 4:53 GMT

    Toghest pick after Aussie openers & WI pacers.Good to see such a contest unlike openers.Dravid and Sachin are automatic selections.This means 10 equally competent ppl for 1 spot.I think the panel would have a tough time to select between Hazare,Vishy & Laxman.We have seen Laxman play innings that changed the course of the match.At times even his 30s proved vital in addition to his style.Like Laxman,Vishys record does not speak much.But the situations under which and the way he batted are to be considered.India never lost when he scored a century.That itself tells the impact he had on the team.Laxman had the advantage of having ppl like Sachin,Rahul,Ganguly,Sehwag in the line-up but Vishy had only Sunny to support him at the top and Vengsarkar in the middle at the later part of his career.Hence I would go for Hazare considering that he scored 7 100s at an avg of 47 in an era where India was an entrant to test cricket and that too scored 100s against Bradmans Australia.Still a tough call

  • on August 9, 2010, 4:51 GMT

    Dravid, sachin, Vishy and VVS ; Azar misses out coz of his consistency and other issues beyond cricket field... Wonder why people consider Ganguly - Why would we have a batsman who has a known weakness against pace and bounce in the best XI?

  • Saxo on August 9, 2010, 4:47 GMT

    Dravid and Tendulkar have to be unanimous selections. For number 5, it comes down to VVS Laxman, Mohinder (two perennial scapegoats of frigging selectors itching to drop them at the slightest excuse) among the recent players, or Umrigar and HAzare from the older generation. Umrigar, Hazare and Laxman have better batting averages (high 40s). Umrigar, Hazare and Mohinder were useful bowlers providing an extra option. Any one of these 4 would be a fighter at home or abroad and would be a worthy selection. I went with Vijay Hazare based on the stats and for his performance against the Don's invincibles (and also a nod to the older generations:)

    Viswanath, for all his style and substance, didn't have the stats to merit all time India selection. Same with Ganguly - who might deserve a place as non-playing captain - as he was not the 5th best batsman in Indian history.

  • bigsheek on August 9, 2010, 4:46 GMT

    I actually think picking the 3 middle order bats is easy - R.Dravid, S.Tendulkar, V.Hazare. India did play test cricket before 1970, you know.....chuckle, chuckle!

    The reason there are only 3 middlers is because 6, 7 & 8 will probably be for all-rounders V.Mankad, Kapil Dev & M.Dhoni (keeper). Thus leaving 3 specialist bowlers at 9, 10 & 11.

    My early tips for the Indian XI are: S.Gavaskar, V.Sehwag or V.Merchant, R.Dravid, S.Tendulkar, V.Hazare, V.Mankad, Kapil Dev, M.Dhoni(k), A.Kumble, J.Srinath, B.Bedi or E.Prasanna.

    If you pick Prasanna ahead of Bedi, you get 3 types of spinner - offbreaks (Prasanna), legbreaks (Kumble) & slow leftarm (Mankad). Kapil Dev & Srinath to open the bowling with Hazare first change medium pace.

    It's a typical Indian lineup in many respects.

  • cool_manager on August 9, 2010, 4:46 GMT

    THIS IS MOST DIFICULT WORK FOR AN INDIAN CRICKET LOVER THAT CHOOSE MIDDLE ORDER WHILE THE EASIEST WAY TO CHOOSE OPENER FOR ALL TIME XI. FAB FOUR OR SOME ONE LIKE MANKAD..VISHI..AZHAR..& HARD TO IGNORE JIMY AMAR OR NAWAB SAHIB BUT MY CHOICE WITH THE GREAT WALL & MASTER BLASTER WHO DID NOT NEED VOTES OR SURVEY FOR SELECTED IN THE ANY XI OF WORLD BUT I AM STILL WITH SOURAV FOR SKIPPER POST HE IS FATHER OF REVOLUTION, A INDIAN WHO SCARED ALL WORLD BY HIS ABILITY TO LEAD A ANSWER TO CAPTAINS WHO DID NOT GIVE RESPECT TO INDIAN CRICKET TEAM A WORRIER WHO GIVE TIT FORTAT TO SOME OF THE WORST CRICKETING HERO.FOR GANGULY I WRITE.

    "AB TERI HIMMAT KA CHARCHA,, GAIR KI MEHFIL MEIN HAI"

    "KILLER INSTINCT" NONE OF INDIAN KNOW THE MEANING OF THAT WORD BUT DADA WRITE THIS WORD ON THE HEART OF INDIAN PLAYERS BY HIS OWN BLOOD..ONCE DHONI READY TO DROP TENDULKAR FOR HIS POOR FORM THINK WITHOUT DEDICATION TO THE GAME CAN DHONI EVEN THINKS ABOUT THAT TO DROP GOD OF CRICKET THIS IS DADA EFFECT

  • on August 9, 2010, 4:41 GMT

    loved whats written about tendulkar... besides him being an automatic choice i would pick gundappa vishwanath and rahul dravid...

  • on August 9, 2010, 4:40 GMT

    As Expected.... Seems like the number 6 batting position would go to an all rounder. This leaves us with just one dilemma.... VVS or GRV. I would go with Lakshman though I am really tempted to consider Vishy's ability against the Caribbean pace attack.

  • cantwaittosee on August 9, 2010, 4:32 GMT

    Gavaskar,Sehwag,Dravid,Tendulkar,Vishwanath/Hazare,Amarnath,Dhoni,Kapil, Kumble, Chandra, Bedi. Gotta pick 3 spinners as spin has always been india's strength. Amarnath can share the new ball. Kapil and Kumble at 8 and 9 give the much needed batting depth. And the last 4 are the 4 best bowlers ever produced by India.

  • arun_39 on August 9, 2010, 4:26 GMT

    Dravid and Tendulkar should be automatic selections. One out of Hazare, Viswanath and Laxman - three different generations. For sentiment I'll go with Vishy. India never lost a test when he scored a century and Sobers rated his 97 not out as one of the ten best innings until that time. Apologies VVS - you're right up there with the greats.

  • ilovesachin10dulkar on August 9, 2010, 4:26 GMT

    Sachin picks himself for no. 4 i think. Gretest gretest batsmen ever produced by the world cricket. Now, for no. 3 none other than Mr Wall Dravid has the solidity and the stability to carry on the start given by Sehwag anf Gavaskar (presumably these would be the openers in the all time eleven). No. 5 is really giving hard job to the selectors. VVS and Vishwanth both are equal contenders for this spot for me. Both are equally cool and calm and with their wristy work, both have capasity to bat out whole day even with the tailenders. Given the fast bowlers Viswanath has played, credit goes a little bit more to him to be picked up in the squad. These healthy scompetetion for the middle order itself clarifies the strength of the Indian batsmen over a period of time.

  • vijaya.sabarmathy on August 9, 2010, 4:22 GMT

    MY PICK : Dravid,Tendulkar,Ganguly.

    but it is really tough to pick the middle order which has been india's strength over the years. Dravid and Sachin will pick themselves in the eleven and number five spot is only vacant. our batting need one left hander in the line up

    my proable line up pf india XI

    Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly Kapil (Some keeper), Kumble (one of many spin Greats) (pacer 1) (pacer 2)

    looking at the batting order, we need a left hander in the line up. and the best captain of the nation. hard to leave Vishy/Azar/Vengasarkar/Jimmy and many more. picking the middle order for India XI would be the toughest job. Openers pick themselves so is kumble and all rounder. picking pacers also will not a much of tough.

  • yomeshk on August 9, 2010, 4:16 GMT

    No doubt just like Sunny has the fixed spot for opener, Sachin picks the same. So we are left with 2 positions and I would give Rahul Dravid the go ahead for the number 3. The number 5 slot can be filled by anyone but Vishwanath gets it just because of his class even Sunny said that he has not seen anyone batting as gracefully as Vishy. So we have a master between two classics.....

  • vineetphysics2006 on August 9, 2010, 4:15 GMT

    fab four for fabulous four; we cannot change our choices even if you provide all the batsman of world cricket ; these are Indian batsman only

  • on August 9, 2010, 4:12 GMT

    I made four choices in my early comment, Dravid,Tendulkar,Ganguly and Vishvanath. If only three are selcted then I will leave out Vishvanath and oick Ganguly as seam allrounder

  • sachinfan123 on August 9, 2010, 4:09 GMT

    Sachin & Dravid has to be there at No 3,4....3rd batting spot up for debate..i feel laxman should get it because he doesn't have many weaknesses otherthan difficulty in facing extreme pace.....why the author is giving so much importance to gundappa vishwanath....his stats aren't that great....and remaining all are honorable mentions... My All Time Indian XI :1. gavaskar 2.sehwag 3.dravid 4.sachin 5.laxman 6.dhoni 7.kapil .....8,9,10,11 spots are up for debate...don't tell me kumble's choice is unanimous....he is only good for tailenders....he doesbn't have charishma like warne...people keep telling me all the time that we have great spinners....please pick 2 spinners from them...and remaining 2 spots for srinath and zaheer ( and by chance if we have any great fast bowlers pick them)

  • CricFan78 on August 9, 2010, 4:04 GMT

    Sachin, Dravid and VVS for me. VVS averages 52 as number 4-7 batsman, his avg is only low because he opened in his first few tests but this is for middle order. Vishy and Hazare are both unlucky to miss out. Amarnath, Vengsarkar were not consistent enough in all conditions.

  • ashishdas01 on August 9, 2010, 4:03 GMT

    Dravid, Tendulkar, Vishwanath & Laxman - in that order.

  • mmatahaere on August 9, 2010, 4:03 GMT

    Dravid and Tendulkar are a certainty. Questions for me is, do you play a Laxman with Azharuddin? What of Ganguly? Shucks. Besides the West Indian bowling line-up, India's middle order would have to be the next hardest pick for selectors.

  • on August 9, 2010, 4:03 GMT

    Rahul Dravid and Sachin Tendulkar pick themselves. So only two spots should be debated. I will pick Saurav Ganguly above Vengsarkar and Amarnath at No.5. Not because he was better but he would bring some varieties to the batting and bowling attack. All Right hander at the top order so his left handed batting will bring some variety. Also he could bowl as third seamer and he was more than handful when conditions suited seam bowling. He has decent record oversees when you compare him with Vengsarkar and Hazare.

    For the last spot its tie for me between Laxman and Vishwanath. But Vishwanath just edges out Laxman. Vishwanath played handsome knocks against West Indies and he never scored a hundred in a losing cause. It was just touch and go but I will pick Vishwanath over Laxman. Never saw Vishwanath play but have seen Gavaskar play, if he was rated so highly Gavaskar then he must be selected. This space was packed up and unlucky for Amarnath,Laxman, Vengsarkar and Azhar to miss out.

  • Longmemory on August 9, 2010, 4:02 GMT

    Referring to the "fab four" of the 1990s, Menon says they came "together to give India the best batting side in the world." He is one with a large number of Indian journos and fans alike in this regard. What is striking is how little this sentiment is shared in the rest of the cricketing world. Australia - with the Waugh brothers, Ponting, Hayden, Langer and a batter like Gilchrist coming in as low as #7 - would surely be one team that would have bested this Indian line-up most of the time. Secondly, Shaun Udall and a number of other extremely forgettable bowlers (so forgettable I regret to say I cannot remember any of them) have often exposed the "fab four" in a number of 4th inning chases. They were always a bit suspect under pressure - enough to question the award of the "best." Overall, lets just say that I would be happier if Menon's sentence were amended to read the fab four came together to give India "one of the best batting sides in the world."

  • knowledge_eater on August 9, 2010, 4:02 GMT

    Wait a second there will be only 3 choices WHAT!!! Why ? There must be 4 choices ... ohh man Who between Laxman and Ganguli ??? Thats impossible and very hard of job if that is the case. Also, thank you for nominating more players. Aaahh the glory of becoming nominated.

  • dr_sachinfan_chennai on August 9, 2010, 4:00 GMT

    There maybe people pitching in for Oldies which no doubt is right. But I just have a few words. Leave away the runs they made. Look at the average and match winning contributions they made. The Fab Four with Azar was far better coz they helped India win more often than ever before. Ofcourse Vishy and Vengsarkar are among my picks but then thats more so for eliminating bias of this Generation.

  • knowledge_eater on August 9, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    First Comment wooohoooo Rahul Sachin Lax Ganguli

  • dr_sachinfan_chennai on August 9, 2010, 3:54 GMT

    Wat a tough job. Everyone among the best of his generation. But yeah truly the Fab Four where the best no doubts. Now my pick ld be the omnipresent No 4 whom any world XI ld choose with his best partner at No 3 the Wall. No 5 is tough choice but I ld go with Vishy. Really feeling to leave out two most stylish Hyderabadis, Vengsarkar and the bravest of all Dada. Others may had been so great but not as these coz these guys made the World bowlers salute them.

  • Vivek.Bhandari on August 9, 2010, 3:53 GMT

    The best and, possibly, the most difficult choice perhaps alongside the Aussies openers and the Windies pacers...Dravid, Tendulkar, and GR Vishwanath complete my line up...

  • jawana on August 9, 2010, 3:52 GMT

    Well this could be tricky. Tendulkar and Dravid are automatic choice but the third one is tricky. Almost all of the other candidates are in the same category. But, I would prefer Ganguly because it will provide a left hander and a part time bowler as well.

  • Tendulkars_Tennis_Elbow on August 9, 2010, 3:48 GMT

    Numbers be damned - Gundappa, Sachin and Dravid. Go Karnataka!

  • on August 9, 2010, 3:41 GMT

    easy dravid,Tendu and laxman...

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  • on August 9, 2010, 3:41 GMT

    easy dravid,Tendu and laxman...

  • Tendulkars_Tennis_Elbow on August 9, 2010, 3:48 GMT

    Numbers be damned - Gundappa, Sachin and Dravid. Go Karnataka!

  • jawana on August 9, 2010, 3:52 GMT

    Well this could be tricky. Tendulkar and Dravid are automatic choice but the third one is tricky. Almost all of the other candidates are in the same category. But, I would prefer Ganguly because it will provide a left hander and a part time bowler as well.

  • Vivek.Bhandari on August 9, 2010, 3:53 GMT

    The best and, possibly, the most difficult choice perhaps alongside the Aussies openers and the Windies pacers...Dravid, Tendulkar, and GR Vishwanath complete my line up...

  • dr_sachinfan_chennai on August 9, 2010, 3:54 GMT

    Wat a tough job. Everyone among the best of his generation. But yeah truly the Fab Four where the best no doubts. Now my pick ld be the omnipresent No 4 whom any world XI ld choose with his best partner at No 3 the Wall. No 5 is tough choice but I ld go with Vishy. Really feeling to leave out two most stylish Hyderabadis, Vengsarkar and the bravest of all Dada. Others may had been so great but not as these coz these guys made the World bowlers salute them.

  • knowledge_eater on August 9, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    First Comment wooohoooo Rahul Sachin Lax Ganguli

  • dr_sachinfan_chennai on August 9, 2010, 4:00 GMT

    There maybe people pitching in for Oldies which no doubt is right. But I just have a few words. Leave away the runs they made. Look at the average and match winning contributions they made. The Fab Four with Azar was far better coz they helped India win more often than ever before. Ofcourse Vishy and Vengsarkar are among my picks but then thats more so for eliminating bias of this Generation.

  • knowledge_eater on August 9, 2010, 4:02 GMT

    Wait a second there will be only 3 choices WHAT!!! Why ? There must be 4 choices ... ohh man Who between Laxman and Ganguli ??? Thats impossible and very hard of job if that is the case. Also, thank you for nominating more players. Aaahh the glory of becoming nominated.

  • Longmemory on August 9, 2010, 4:02 GMT

    Referring to the "fab four" of the 1990s, Menon says they came "together to give India the best batting side in the world." He is one with a large number of Indian journos and fans alike in this regard. What is striking is how little this sentiment is shared in the rest of the cricketing world. Australia - with the Waugh brothers, Ponting, Hayden, Langer and a batter like Gilchrist coming in as low as #7 - would surely be one team that would have bested this Indian line-up most of the time. Secondly, Shaun Udall and a number of other extremely forgettable bowlers (so forgettable I regret to say I cannot remember any of them) have often exposed the "fab four" in a number of 4th inning chases. They were always a bit suspect under pressure - enough to question the award of the "best." Overall, lets just say that I would be happier if Menon's sentence were amended to read the fab four came together to give India "one of the best batting sides in the world."

  • on August 9, 2010, 4:03 GMT

    Rahul Dravid and Sachin Tendulkar pick themselves. So only two spots should be debated. I will pick Saurav Ganguly above Vengsarkar and Amarnath at No.5. Not because he was better but he would bring some varieties to the batting and bowling attack. All Right hander at the top order so his left handed batting will bring some variety. Also he could bowl as third seamer and he was more than handful when conditions suited seam bowling. He has decent record oversees when you compare him with Vengsarkar and Hazare.

    For the last spot its tie for me between Laxman and Vishwanath. But Vishwanath just edges out Laxman. Vishwanath played handsome knocks against West Indies and he never scored a hundred in a losing cause. It was just touch and go but I will pick Vishwanath over Laxman. Never saw Vishwanath play but have seen Gavaskar play, if he was rated so highly Gavaskar then he must be selected. This space was packed up and unlucky for Amarnath,Laxman, Vengsarkar and Azhar to miss out.