June 24, 2011

Dravid's flame still burns

Rahul Dravid's passion for and approach to cricket haven't changed in the last decade and a half. He is still intense, patient, and willing to work hard to prepare for each game
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It is already 15 years since a simple, elegant, studious and very likeable young man walked out to bat for India at Lord's. That was an appropriate setting. Rahul Dravid is neatly turned out, plays the game correctly, likes the traditions associated with the game and is respectful of them. It is not difficult to see why the English would like him. In 1996, though, he was significantly more humble and courteous than those I seemed to run into at the ground.

Not much has changed since then. He is still as intense as ever, still unlikely to sport the ponytail he rejected in one of his earliest commercials, still deeply enamoured by the idea of playing for India, still very out of place in the Kingfisher jingle. That intensity is worth studying, though, for Dravid knows no other way of playing the game. Like a good student would, he assimilates data, works out what he is going to do, and focuses as intently as anyone who has played the game. Patience has been a childhood friend, and it has allowed him to retain the intensity. Impatience is the hallmark of youth, and while Dravid has been young in years, he has always sported a maturity that belies them.

There have been times when some of us feared that intensity; when we wondered if the fire within would singe him, and whether he just needed to get his mind off the game and relax a bit. We feared every ball would become a battle to be fought, a storm to be withstood. But as he often told me in those days, it was the same method that had brought him so many runs. It was the person he was; the challenge he relished that defined the way he played the game. He knew, as he repeatedly said, that he wasn't a Sehwag, that he had to bat longer to score the same number of runs; that therefore, he needed to focus strongly and prepare well for a game. It was a debate he was willing to get into but it was a solution he had to find himself. As it turns out, the way he knew best has so far brought him 12,215 runs in Test cricket, and that number tends to seal most debates.

We need to let that number roll off our tongues a bit more often because it is a colossal figure. It is not a number you dream of achieving, because it is too distant. It is a product of extraordinary ability and dedication. In 1994 his father would call to request, for class runs in the family, if he could get a video of his son playing in domestic cricket. Dravid's father can be very proud of the way his son has graced the game and scored runs.

There are other reasons too; reasons apart from the tenacity, the fire, the cover drive and the catches at slip. In the 16 years that I have had the pleasure of knowing him, I have rarely encountered ego or anger. Maybe the dressing room, a place I stay away from, has seen the odd outburst, but ego and anger are like cholesterol and sugar in the blood; eventually they will get you.

In a way it is good that Dravid, VVS Laxman and Sachin Tendulkar have had an extended run, for there must be a gradual handing over of the baton. Virat Kohli, Cheteshwar Pujara, Suresh Raina or Rohit Sharma must know what it takes to seek greatness, and maybe then achieve it. They will have to fight their own battles but a live example would help. That is why I am particularly delighted that Dravid plays in the Ranji Trophy whenever he can. He has often spoken of hanging on to every word that people like Gundappa Viswanath spoke to youngsters in Karnataka. And now that the time has come to carry forward that tradition, he is doing his bit. Cricket could do with more Johnny Appleseeds.

I don't know how much longer he will play for India, for by the time he plays at Lord's next, he will be closer to 39 than 38. But what I do know is that whenever an all-time Indian XI gets picked, Nos. 1, 3 and 4 will be written simultaneously.

Harsha Bhogle is a commentator, television presenter and writer. His Twitter feed is here

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  • InnocentGuy on June 27, 2011, 22:29 GMT

    And I don't understand why the mere mention of RSD and SRT in a sentence immediately makes people think there is a comparison in place. Or for that matter any 2 players. Stop thinking that everyone out there is trying to compare players and single out one as the greatest!

  • on June 27, 2011, 18:10 GMT

    It feels gr8 to be in era where Dravid has given evrything for his team... Wicket keeping, opening, one-down, his mastery in slip region, captaincy.. all sacrifices he had done for his team... No1 can match his class, his concentration.. He has won many matches for india more than nay1 else.. I feel he should get more such appreciations.. Grateful to Harsha for his gr8 article...

  • sachin86 on June 27, 2011, 16:52 GMT

    for those of you blind sachin haters,sachin played with tailenders a lot of times and he very well knows how to play along with them.. 111 at jhonsburg when added around 100 with last 3

    114 at perth he had partner ship of around 100 runs for 9th wicket..

    85 vs WI in 94 had partnership of 70+ with srinath...

    122 at edgbaston next highest was 18 in this match... had partnership of around 100 with last 3 and around 140 for with last 4

    169 vs SA sachin was last man to be dismissed... added around 70+ runs for last 3 wickets...

    116 vs aus had partnership of around 50 for 9th wicket... and added around 75 with last 3.

    dravid can only dream of such innings.

  • CSreekumar on June 27, 2011, 15:10 GMT

    I dont understand why peoples compare SRT and Dravid. Both have played good innings, different styles. Sachin is the complete treat to watch wereas RD is a strong wall before the stumps. Sachin bats/runs aggressively and drains off energy wereas dravid stay at crease and keep his energy for a long time.

  • CSreekumar on June 27, 2011, 15:10 GMT

    I dont understand why peoples compare SRT and Dravid. Both have played good innings, different styles. Sachin is the complete treat to watch wereas RD is a strong wall before the stumps. Sachin bats/runs aggressively and drains off energy wereas dravid stay at crease and keep his energy for a long time.

  • muski on June 27, 2011, 15:05 GMT

    @Bollo- From your Parlance of " dominating attacks", I think only 2 guys qualify as great batsmen for their ability to do it convincingly and with regularity- Sir Viv and Shewag.Why do you tend to use Strike Rate as the ability to judge a Test Batsman's calibre when the fact that Dravid has had a Test career equivalent 2 Greg Chappells in terms of Runs and tests and nothing really to separate in the average, seals the point in this favour. As Gravitas said, going by your argument, Afridi and Gilchrist will rank high in the pecking order of great test batsmen

  • on June 27, 2011, 14:56 GMT

    All time best RAHUL dRAVID sir. Without him INDIA cant deserves this place.

  • on June 27, 2011, 14:17 GMT

    guys stop it we r supporting the same team i.e Team India why can't u guys stop comparing one legend to another it's ridiculous actually we should be proud tht most of them play together and dravid sachin who u guys were comparing with together shares the world record for the most no. of century partnerships in test so appreciate tht :) and both r gud in their own ways , it's a team game for god's sake damn it when will the indian cricket fan mature ?? Never in my opinion,sadly :(

  • sachin86 on June 27, 2011, 14:04 GMT

    Dravid - 1 century in lost matches Sachin - 11 centuries lara - 12 centuries So,dravid is just like jayawardene,mohammad yousuf who score when the wicket is easy to bat on.Which tells the story why dravid has less average in SA and AUS.He improved his average in WI against depleted WI side when all those bowlers - walsh,ambrose,bishop retired.He couldn't even bat in SL and was bunny to murali. When all our indian batsmen wacked shane warne,dravid was the one who struggled against him. The centuries he scored in england he had plenty of support with centuries from sachin,ganguly and sehwag.While sachin scored his 119* and 122 vs eng with minimal support. If you see the partnership % of runs scored...dravid only has 41% while sachin has 51% of the run scored which says there was a lot of contribution from the team which wasn't the case with sachin.That's why experts talk about sachin not dravid when talking about greats.They speak of lara,sachin,ponting,kallis.not dravid.

  • on June 27, 2011, 13:20 GMT

    I still don't get the point of such immature debates.. Sachin (99 100s) and highest run scorer in all forms.. Sharjah, Chennai, Bangalore Dravid (32,000+ intnl runs)... Kolkota, Adelaide, Jamaica.. Ganguly (21 Test Wins.. Revolutionary Captain).. WC 03, Natwest, Mohail, Kolkota VVS (Perhaps the greatest Clutch batsman ever).. Kolkota, Adelaide, Durban, Mohali

    Are all great in their own respects! Why demean one to praise the other?! We are ONE Team.. Team India!

  • InnocentGuy on June 27, 2011, 22:29 GMT

    And I don't understand why the mere mention of RSD and SRT in a sentence immediately makes people think there is a comparison in place. Or for that matter any 2 players. Stop thinking that everyone out there is trying to compare players and single out one as the greatest!

  • on June 27, 2011, 18:10 GMT

    It feels gr8 to be in era where Dravid has given evrything for his team... Wicket keeping, opening, one-down, his mastery in slip region, captaincy.. all sacrifices he had done for his team... No1 can match his class, his concentration.. He has won many matches for india more than nay1 else.. I feel he should get more such appreciations.. Grateful to Harsha for his gr8 article...

  • sachin86 on June 27, 2011, 16:52 GMT

    for those of you blind sachin haters,sachin played with tailenders a lot of times and he very well knows how to play along with them.. 111 at jhonsburg when added around 100 with last 3

    114 at perth he had partner ship of around 100 runs for 9th wicket..

    85 vs WI in 94 had partnership of 70+ with srinath...

    122 at edgbaston next highest was 18 in this match... had partnership of around 100 with last 3 and around 140 for with last 4

    169 vs SA sachin was last man to be dismissed... added around 70+ runs for last 3 wickets...

    116 vs aus had partnership of around 50 for 9th wicket... and added around 75 with last 3.

    dravid can only dream of such innings.

  • CSreekumar on June 27, 2011, 15:10 GMT

    I dont understand why peoples compare SRT and Dravid. Both have played good innings, different styles. Sachin is the complete treat to watch wereas RD is a strong wall before the stumps. Sachin bats/runs aggressively and drains off energy wereas dravid stay at crease and keep his energy for a long time.

  • CSreekumar on June 27, 2011, 15:10 GMT

    I dont understand why peoples compare SRT and Dravid. Both have played good innings, different styles. Sachin is the complete treat to watch wereas RD is a strong wall before the stumps. Sachin bats/runs aggressively and drains off energy wereas dravid stay at crease and keep his energy for a long time.

  • muski on June 27, 2011, 15:05 GMT

    @Bollo- From your Parlance of " dominating attacks", I think only 2 guys qualify as great batsmen for their ability to do it convincingly and with regularity- Sir Viv and Shewag.Why do you tend to use Strike Rate as the ability to judge a Test Batsman's calibre when the fact that Dravid has had a Test career equivalent 2 Greg Chappells in terms of Runs and tests and nothing really to separate in the average, seals the point in this favour. As Gravitas said, going by your argument, Afridi and Gilchrist will rank high in the pecking order of great test batsmen

  • on June 27, 2011, 14:56 GMT

    All time best RAHUL dRAVID sir. Without him INDIA cant deserves this place.

  • on June 27, 2011, 14:17 GMT

    guys stop it we r supporting the same team i.e Team India why can't u guys stop comparing one legend to another it's ridiculous actually we should be proud tht most of them play together and dravid sachin who u guys were comparing with together shares the world record for the most no. of century partnerships in test so appreciate tht :) and both r gud in their own ways , it's a team game for god's sake damn it when will the indian cricket fan mature ?? Never in my opinion,sadly :(

  • sachin86 on June 27, 2011, 14:04 GMT

    Dravid - 1 century in lost matches Sachin - 11 centuries lara - 12 centuries So,dravid is just like jayawardene,mohammad yousuf who score when the wicket is easy to bat on.Which tells the story why dravid has less average in SA and AUS.He improved his average in WI against depleted WI side when all those bowlers - walsh,ambrose,bishop retired.He couldn't even bat in SL and was bunny to murali. When all our indian batsmen wacked shane warne,dravid was the one who struggled against him. The centuries he scored in england he had plenty of support with centuries from sachin,ganguly and sehwag.While sachin scored his 119* and 122 vs eng with minimal support. If you see the partnership % of runs scored...dravid only has 41% while sachin has 51% of the run scored which says there was a lot of contribution from the team which wasn't the case with sachin.That's why experts talk about sachin not dravid when talking about greats.They speak of lara,sachin,ponting,kallis.not dravid.

  • on June 27, 2011, 13:20 GMT

    I still don't get the point of such immature debates.. Sachin (99 100s) and highest run scorer in all forms.. Sharjah, Chennai, Bangalore Dravid (32,000+ intnl runs)... Kolkota, Adelaide, Jamaica.. Ganguly (21 Test Wins.. Revolutionary Captain).. WC 03, Natwest, Mohail, Kolkota VVS (Perhaps the greatest Clutch batsman ever).. Kolkota, Adelaide, Durban, Mohali

    Are all great in their own respects! Why demean one to praise the other?! We are ONE Team.. Team India!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 27, 2011, 12:56 GMT

    @dynamite kid, wait a minute, since when strike rates are being used as the tools to decide who is and who isn't a team man? As per this definition, Afridi with a strike rate of over 100 is a better team man than Sachin, Sehwag and Yuvraj with higher strike rates than Sachin are better team men, in tests Sehwag and Mathew Hayden with strike rates of nearly 80 and 60 respectively are better team men than Sachin. What next? Gayle a better team man than Sachin. Great logic! Hope Sachin learns from this great logic ;).....

  • Bollo on June 27, 2011, 11:10 GMT

    @ Muski, the dominance I was referring to was in terms of the ability to score quickly and dominate attacks. However quickly, in terms of no. of innings per 1000 runs, Dravid may have scored his runs, he has rarely been able to do this. His SR of 42 pales in comparison to the dominant No 3 of his era, Ricky Ponting (SR 59) the two great No 4s of his era (Lara SR 61, Tendulkar 54), or I would expect every other player rated above him in cricinfo World XI discussions.

    I think most experts would agree that if 2 men average about the same at No 3 (although all of Ponting, Chappell, Lara, Tendulkar, Kallis average more than Dravid anyway) if one man has a 50% better SR, he`s the man for the job.

  • on June 27, 2011, 10:23 GMT

    absolutely if it comes to test cricket he is a champion..... and most important thing is.. independent of situation, pitch condition he is application is fantastic.... and Rahul Dravid is one of top three test batsman of all time for sure...........

  • muski on June 27, 2011, 4:42 GMT

    @Bollo- Inspite of all your explanation about Greg dominating the batting, Iam still not convinced that he is better than RD. If you look at the pace with which they made their test runs, expect for the 3000 run and 5000th run, RD has got it faster than Greg- so much for Greg's domination of the batting as you call it. If you take a closer look at RD series averages, there are only 22 series in his 16 year career where he has averaged under 40 ( in that 22, 5 are above 35). The only blemish in his career is that he has not performed well against the South Africans ( either at home or in SA).Do not forget the fact that Greg hung his boots at 35 whereas RD is continuing to perform at 38( this despite the fact of playing more than 300 ODI's and scoring more than 10K in that version as well) .

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 27, 2011, 3:46 GMT

    @Ramanujapuram Krishna, well said. The allegations and claims of Sachin fans are just mind numbing, ranging from Dravid is an ordinary batsman to he is selfishly hanging in the team. It's hard to believe that hatred can make anybody so myopic and amusing. Sachin is a master technician. No doubts. But when it comes to taking the bull by its horns and coming out victors, it is my opinion that Dravid is much more dependable than Sachin based on what we have seen thus far. That doesn't make Sachin an ordinary batsman. No, some people want to live in pre-Dravid era and any appreciation contrary to their liking will be meted out with amusing conclusions like Dravid is ordinary, minnow-basher, selfish etc. Yeah, right, Pakistan in Pakistan are minnows, Pakistan in India are minnows, Australia in Australia are minnows, Australia in Kolkata are minnows, Srilanka in India are minnows, England in England are minnows and in 2006 West Indies in West Indies have become minnows. The list continues...

  • Jerseyite on June 27, 2011, 2:37 GMT

    Agreed, Sammy dropping him early wasn't RD's mistake and he took full advantage of that. But in my mind, he is no longer as great a batsman as he was in 2006. In 2006, RD single handedly won the Windies series for us, which btw was after an eternity that we had won a series in the Windies. How he performs in England against a superb attack (the world's best attack in my opinion) will decide if he is genuinely come back after his 4 year lull in form. RD should retire within the next six months. He will jeoporidze his hard earned credibility by needlessly prolonginghis career.

  • Dr.K.H.Iyer on June 27, 2011, 2:10 GMT

    Dravid (& Kallis) cannot be compared to Sachin (or Lara). On Stats, they are classified closely but on absolute terms Sachin & Lara out rank all batsmen since Bradman's era (only Viv & Sobers are in the same league). But why? > Attacking Batsmen. (Dravid's Not, nor Kallis)! >No Bowler ever dominated them (that list includes Donald, Pollock,Akram, Waqar, Warne, Murali,& now Steyn). Cant say the same of Ponting who was a bunny of Ishant Sharma.. The only bowler who actually stood up to them (Sach & Lara) was McGrath. > Sachin's played 23 years, his technique analyzed over & over on video by experts but he still dominates the game. ( Viv & Sobers didn't have to go through that but they played on tougher pitches, kind of evens out).Lara's technique will stand out as it was unique. No one will match these feats. > Sachin's game evolved after the wretched injury but Richards failed once he could not dominate. Even in the last phase Lara attacked with the same flamboyance he always had.

  • sachin86 on June 26, 2011, 21:43 GMT

    @ramanujapuram

    FYI,sachin averages 39 playing at number 4 position and scored 4 centuries,15 fifties.Better than dravid's overall ODI career avg.dravid too was uncomfortable opening like sachin was at number 4. dravid fans say he did everything for the team but dravid failed miserably in opening sachin was atleast good playing at 4 which says dravid didn't LIKE OPENING for the team.So we can clearly infer that dravid too was comfortable playing at no. 3 position and can't play at any other position.He isn't a saint.

  • on June 26, 2011, 21:35 GMT

    Common guys think big. It is the same whether u score 100 in 1st innings & 0 in 2nd innings or vice versa it is your total score in the match that counts…It is analogical to some good student preparing throughout the semester whereas another working hard only during exams. So long as their scores r equal they get same grade. period.. the impactful stats is the rate of getting Man of the Match (MOM) ....it is the stat that oppositions fear most about a batsman..Kallis is best modern test cricketer above both SRT & Dravid..As Kallis gets MOM every 6.6 matches and Tendulkar gets MOM every 12.6 matches…Dravid gets MOM every 15 matches. But Cricket is not about Test cricket alone.ODI is equally imp format of game…Tendulkar gets MOM every 7.2 matches this rate is second only to Sir. Viv Richards MOM every 6 matches. Kallis gets MOM every 9.8 matches. Dravid gets MOM every 24 matches….It was Dravd's jinx that just as Ind got rid of Dravid India rose & rose in ODI & is now Wold Champion

  • sachin86 on June 26, 2011, 21:33 GMT

    dravid fans claim he is good in crunchy matches.if so,how come he averaged just 25 in the matches lost where the team was in dire straits.It has always been sachin who played those incredible knocks when team was in tatters be it his perth hundred 114 vs AUS at the age of 19,111 vs SA 1993,122 vs ENG at edgbaston 1996,136 vs pakistan at chennai,116 vs AUS at melbourne(gem of an innings).Does dravid have such kind of innings in his career?check the scorecard,almost all of sachin's hundreds in away matches in 90s came when team was in hopeless situations.Dravid scores when it is easy to bat on and he fails just like others when the chips are down and he is so selfish that he scores with a strike rate of 40 even at pitches which are easy to bat on so that he can increase his average.

  • on June 26, 2011, 19:48 GMT

    @Dynamite_Kid:What are you taliking?Why are you comparing him with the SACHIN Is it a problem if both are greats? Why you sachin fans treat other batsmen as useless? they did their part to become no body calls them great for no reason.

  • on June 26, 2011, 19:43 GMT

    Sachin is Great But that doesn't make a hero like dravid less.You people sitting in your rooms cry out loud Sachin is Great but Playing for the team nobody beats Dravid.He may be technically less compared to SACHIN bt far greater than sachin in crunchy matches.

  • The_Dynamite_Kid on June 26, 2011, 19:29 GMT

    @Ramanujapuram Krishna: Dravid with his extraordinary strike rate of 42.36 is an unselfish team man, but Tendulkar with a strike rate of 55 is not one? Great logic! What's next .... Geoffrey Boycott a better, unselfish team man than Viv Richards?

  • on June 26, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    Sachin's fans are waiting to see someone praise Dravid so that they can start Dravid bashing. Sachin is a very talented batsman and one of the greats of Cricket. But for sheer unselfishness and placing a high price on his wicket, no one can beat Dravid. To say he does not have strokes or cannot hit the ball is stupid. Four of his strokes are sheer class, the cover drive, the square cut, the on drive and that precise pull he employs to the short ball. Nobody plays on a seaming wicket like he does. Sachin is yet to play one innings like Dravid did in the Windies in his last tour as captain and in the recent Jamaica test. Greig was going gaga over how he used technique to score runs by getting his legs out of the way. The wicket was treacherous. Stats wise Sachin is ahead but Dravid's contribution is in his unselfish team man attitude. Remember how Sachin sulked and screwed the team with his poor performances when he was not allowed to open. Sachin is good but not God!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 26, 2011, 17:47 GMT

    @dynamite kid, If Dravid is not dropped from the team by the selectors, how does it make him selfishly hanging in there? He is at the mercy of the selectors. Isn't it the selectors who decide who is in the squad and who isn't? If they don't see utility in him, they should drop him as they did in ODIs and selectors may be right or wrong in selecting/dropping him. If Harbhajan gets selected repeatedly, does it make him selfishly hanging in there? So pull up the selectors for selecting a player. Your hatred towards Dravid is not allowing you to see this simple thing that it's the selectors who select and no player can selfishly hang in there. Players can retire as they please. It's their personal choice. So, are you confusing not retiring with getting selected? Then yeah, you have to learn to see the difference between getting selected/getting dropped and retiring. Retirement of any player is none of our business. So, either way you look at it, your branding of Dravid holds no water.

  • The_Dynamite_Kid on June 26, 2011, 16:32 GMT

    @Deepak Dravid: Ha, ha ha .... Wasim Akram rates Tendulkar as the best batsman he has ever bowled to along with Viv Richards and Sunny Gavaskar. He rates Dravid nowhere. And LOL @ New Zealand offering seaming wickets. New Zealand has always had a below par bowling attack. South Africa and Australia are the toughest places to bat. Dravid averages a laughable 29 odd in South Africa, that flat track bully. In Australia he averages more than 10 runs less than Tendulkar. Dravid averaged 20 odd in the recent test series in South Africa proving his worthlessness against the deadly attack of Steyn and co. Of course he'll now make merry against the 9th ranked West Indian team to further solidify his stats and if possible to further hang on to the team for another 2 years.

  • on June 26, 2011, 14:42 GMT

    I'm certain if these comparisons are shown to either Sachin or Rahul, they'll just laugh about it. India's blessed to have both of them playing together (as well as VVS and Saurav) and for such a long time!! Please stop these meaningless fights guys!

  • on June 26, 2011, 14:28 GMT

    WASIM AKRAM HAD COMMENTED THAT IT IS DIFFICULT TO BOWL TO DRAVID IN HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY. HE FINDS NO DIFFICULTY TO BOWL AGAINST SACHIN

  • on June 26, 2011, 14:22 GMT

    The Dynamite kid is too ambitious just showing the averages where tendulkar is better JUST SEE THE WORLD's BEST SEAMING PITCHES ARE IN NEWZEALAND AND ENGLAND Tendulkar in NZ avg is 49.53 and in England his avg is 62 Dravid in NZ avg is 63.83 and in England his avg is 65.36 TENDULKAR SHOWS MASTERCLASS IN BULLYING THE FLAT TRACKS

  • harshthakor on June 26, 2011, 13:03 GMT

    Dravid posessed more mental tenacity than any great batsman of his era ,who could overshadow Sachin or Lara in a crisis.He proved the game was in the mind more than any other great batsman.Above all Dravid came in at one down ahead of Tendulkar.Had Dravid's form not declined in the last 4 years he would have been rated in a stats analysis atleast on par with Lara,Ponting or Tendulkar if not ahead.However stats does not tell the whole story and Rahul lacked the flamboyance of these mentioned great players.I would class Dravid with Alan Border and Javed Miandad and marginally ahaed of Steve Waugh.

  • Bollo on June 26, 2011, 11:59 GMT

    @Muski, when a committee sits down to choose an all-time XI, there`s no discussion about No.3 at all. The chairman simply writes down DG Bradman(c) and they move on down the list.

  • The_Dynamite_Kid on June 26, 2011, 11:40 GMT

    @Rakhil Pakhetra: Look at the number of innings, not the number of Tests. Tendulkar has played 29 more innings than Dravid and has scored 2477 runs more than him, which accounts to an average of 85.41 which is way higher than Dravid's career average of 52.65. Also have a look at how they have performed against the top 2 attacks of their time, both home and away. Against Australia, Tendulkar averages 60.59 while Dravid averages 41.08, while in Australia, Tendulkar averages 58.53 while Dravid averages 48.60. Against South Africa, Tendulkar averages 42.46 while Dravid averages 33.83, while in South Africa, Tendulkar averages 46.44 while Dravid averages 29.71

  • The_Dynamite_Kid on June 26, 2011, 11:32 GMT

    Here's a detailed analysis of how Dravid has been selfishly hanging on to the team by bullying weaker attacks mostly at home since Sep, 2006. Here are his averages given in brackets in every series since then - 1) vs S.A. in S.A. (20.83), 2) vs Ban in Ban (64), 3) vs Eng in Eng (25.20), 4) vs Pak in Ind (38.20), 5) vs Aus in Aus (33.85), 6) vs S.A. in Ind (44.50), 7) vs S.L. in S.L. (24.66), 8) vs Aus in Ind (17.41), 9) vs Eng in Ind (35.75), 10) vs N.Z. in N.Z. (62.80), 11) vs S.L. Ind (108.25), 12) vs Ban in Ban (69.50), 13) vs S.L. in S.L. (19), 13) vs Aus in Ind (37.33), 14) vs N.Z. in Ind (85.25), 15) vs S.A. in S.A. (20)

  • on June 26, 2011, 11:14 GMT

    @sachin86 : u r joking rite.obviously sachin's stats would be greater in no. as he played 26 more matches or 52 innings more than Dravid.Two ppl can be compared only ven they play same no. of matches.So here is the final punch who leads overall.Dravid in his 151 tests has scored 12215 runs whereas Sachin by the end of his 151st test had scored 11939 runs.the diff. is marginal i.e.276 runs bt i 'll nt be surprised if u ignore the diff.I was a very big Sachin fan bt SA tour b4 WC2011 lost him one more admirer lyk me.

  • Bollo on June 26, 2011, 10:03 GMT

    @Muski, against the best attacks of his generation, Dravid has averaged 33 vs SAf and 41 vs Aus. Chappell in comparison averaged 56 against the might of the West Indies in tests, and 57 over 14 tests against WI an World XIs in supertests. A class apart.

  • D.Sharma on June 26, 2011, 9:55 GMT

    @sachin86...Wow! Look at you go. I don't think I've ever seen a someone defend a player like you have. Is Sachin bigger than the game for you?

  • Bollo on June 26, 2011, 9:19 GMT

    During WSC Chappell faced WI, and the best of the rest of the world and scored 1400 runs at 57. Memorably in WI in 1978/79, over a 5-test series, against the best quartet of all-time he scored 620 runs at almost 70, almost twice the number of runs as the next best from either side.

    He was a superb, dominating, fearless player, equally at home agaist pace or spin, home or away, and simply a better No.3 than Dravid.

  • Bollo on June 26, 2011, 9:10 GMT

    cont`d. similarly, the 2nd XI features Headley, Lara (both in their favoured position) and Hammond (out of position and probably the only spot I`d quibble with). Ananth on the statistics tab has some excellent comparisons between these players FYI

    @Muski. I realise G.Chappell (or should I say the Chappell family?) have few friends in India, and certainly his managerial/selection traits have left a lot to be desired. Nevertheless, he was a supreme batsmen, and in my humble opinion (and of many more respected members of the cricketing fraternity) a rung above Dravid.

    Yes, Chappell only played a handful of tests in Asia (ave 75), and didn`t face the Fab 4 (averages between 29-36, and SRs between 65-82), although hiis average against India and Pakistan (74/63) suggest he may have coped quite well. Instead he faced the most fearsome bowling attack of all-time (Holding, Garner, Croft, Roberts) with averages between 21-25 and Srs in the 50s.

  • Bollo on June 26, 2011, 8:50 GMT

    @Kreacher_Rocks, here`s the link I was referring to;

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/483247.html

    As I mentioned in my previous post, the rankings refer to middle-order (3-5) batsmen, not No.3s per se. And of course, it doesn`t really prove anything, just that 40 or so very knowledgeable people ranked them thus. You`re right, much to my surprise, Tendulkar hasn`t played a single innings at No.3, which is very unusual, considering that traditionally this has been the place for the best bat in the team. Dravid at 3 is another unusual case, particularly when we look at those rated above him, all attacking/dominating players. In many ways, through necessity and natural inclination, Dravid has played as an extra opener; grafting, occupying, stabilising, and holding an innings together.

    I believe cricinfo simply placed the 3 highest ranked players at 3,4,5 respectively in 1st XI (Almost a perfect fit with Bradman at 3, Tendulkar at 4, and Richards at 5). cont`d

  • sachin86 on June 26, 2011, 8:04 GMT

    You can see how slow dravid plays by looking at the article regarding partnership runs %.Sachin scored 51% of the partnership runs in his career which is second to lara with 55%.Dravid is the least with just 42 % partnership runs for batsmen in the 10,000 runs club.

    Even between 2002-2006 Ricky Punter, Brian Charles Lara & Mathew Hayden were better Test Batsmen ... It's futile comparing him with the great sachin.

  • sachin86 on June 26, 2011, 7:57 GMT

    @D.sharma

    Ofcourse,you can include dravid who played 34 tests as compared to 70 tests by sachin..,if in your opinion,mike hussey was the greatest batsman after don as he used to average in 70s.

  • sachin86 on June 26, 2011, 7:53 GMT

    @rakhil

    Discounts to sachin?hahaha...he pips dravid in almost 95% of the stats.Why didn't you count the overall average of them in the 4th innings which is pretty much teh same for both of them?you just wanted to show the difference of 20 in average by showing a sample of 28 innings choosing away matches.Tell me did dravid play the kind of innings sachin played in 4th innings like his 119* at a tender age of 17 vs Eng?or his 136 vs pakistan vs wasim,waqar and saqlain on 5th day pitch with back spasms?or his recent 104 vs Eng after mumbai blasts?Talk about being a blind fan. Sachin can score runs under any circumstances keep up the run rate no matter how difficult the pitch is to bat because of his wide range of shots.Dravid can only play forward/backward defensive strokes.

  • Kreacher_Rocks on June 26, 2011, 7:42 GMT

    @Bollo, SRT for as long as I can remember has been a #4. I don't believe he ever batted at #3. That #3 is rightfully RD's position in the lineup. And while Lara does have good figures at #3, he batted at #4 in 148 innings as opposed to 66 at #3 - doesn't that make him a regular at #4 as opposed to #3? After all that is more than 2/3 of this total innings. Do you have a link that substantiates "Bradman, Tendulkar, V.Richards, Headley, Lara, Hammond, G.Pollock, G.Chappell" as the best #3s of all time?

  • sachin86 on June 26, 2011, 5:37 GMT

    And please don't disrespect our indian team especially our bowlers who were key to the wins(not batsmen) by saying dravid gave us the memorable wins.He just played his part of scoring runs in his hey days just as sachin.

  • sachin86 on June 26, 2011, 5:34 GMT

    Anyone can score in their purple patch.But coming out of a career-threatening injury in the final years of your career and giving a performance which even surpasses your hey days is something incredible.On that regard,Sachin is light years ahead of dravid.

    Cricket experts do know who is selfish and who isn't.That's why they regard sachin as the greatest batsman after Don.They don't count in a player in the elite league who plays just to save his place in the team by batting out sessions with strike rate of 30 so that overall on scoreboard he is one of the top scorers.

  • sachin86 on June 26, 2011, 5:27 GMT

    This selfish somebody called sachin came back to play the World cup just days after his father died. This very same selfish guy played an innings of a lifetime with severe back pain against arch rivals pakistan.

    I didn't say mental conditioning is trivial.It's the most important than any other thing.And as records suggest which you also tend to agree that he is in bad frame of mind since 2007 and couldn't recover from it;these are the instances in one's career which draws a boundary between a great and an ordinary player.Even sachin was so mentally disintegrated during that phase and on top of that the WC debacle.As read in one of his interviews he even contemplated retirement when in practice sessions right after he came out of injury even small kids were able to stop his full-blooded cover drives .it was his passion for the game that he made a mental resolution and found a way out of it.Now he's not just doing good but even had a greatest calender year of his career(2010).

  • muski on June 26, 2011, 5:16 GMT

    @Bollo- Lets settle Greg vs RD once and for all. Greg scored 7000 runs in his test career. He took 87 tests for that. Dravid crossed 7K runs in his 82 test. Greg played only 36% of his tests outside ( Australia). He never played on Indian Pitches against the fab four Indian spinners- the same hypothesis you said about him facing the great West Indian Fast Bowlers which RD did not.In fact Greg has played only a handful on subcontinent pitches. Most of the 36% were in Eng and the rest in WI and NZ. RD has played 55% of his matches away from Indian soil and has scored the major portion of his 12K runs on foreign soil. Does this settle the issue???

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 26, 2011, 5:09 GMT

    @sachin86, talk of experts eh? Well the same experts never said Dravid is an ordinary batsman or that he is just above Ganguly. So much for expert opinion ;)! It is my grouse that Sachin didn't fight it out till the end and did his best to repeatedly expose a visibly shaken debutant tailender to Steyn and Co. I never said we would have avoided innings defeat. The point is about exposing the tail repeatedly to Steyn and Co. The point is about calling for a run off the 5th ball from non-striker's end, face the sixth ball and then defend it for a dot ball. That was the lowest point I faced as a Sachin admirer. Sorry, never again would I call myself a Sachin admirer. I won't be fooled by him again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Sachin has great skills. But that's about it. Cheers...

  • AjitNarayan on June 26, 2011, 4:51 GMT

    The sooner this article (and the other one) is closed the better. These comparisons and arguments are just getting out of hand. It's sad people can't appreciate two legends.

  • D.Sharma on June 26, 2011, 4:48 GMT

    @Sachin86... way to leave out Dravid's average buddy. He averaged 49.96 in the 90s. lLose enough to the 50s, don't ya think?

  • on June 26, 2011, 4:41 GMT

    @sachin86 : gr8 2 c so much discounts to Sachin by you.B4 2003 sachin also had sm bad test years in terms of averages bt here nobody including you has discounted them.I say do it now to bolster his average.If one rues abt dropped chance by Sammy,clearly WC semifinal had Sachin dropped 4 times.SoY U ppl boast of WC victory then.If Dravid is dragging his career above 35 yrs age,so was Sachin who wanted to be at top of records fearing Dravid would overtake him.Further how often do we play outside India? In his longer career,Sachin scores 610 runs in 64 matches at an avg. of 29 while Dravid scores 899 runs in 58 matches at an avg. of 49.94(thats 50 my frnd n nt 49) in 4th innings of all away matches.The difference is 289 runs.Bt when the no. of tests played away is small,even a small no. of 4th innings becomes significant.Bt u go ur style,discount them n discount vatever u can to bolster sachin's stats.No doubt he is gr8 batsman.Bt dont be a blind fan.I m nt blind fan of him n evn Dravid

  • muski on June 26, 2011, 4:41 GMT

    @Bollo- Just becoz Greg played in the Pre Helmet Era, it does not make him a better No3 than Dravid. Dravid unfortunately has no role in that. Its like saying India would be still world no1 in Hockey if we played on natural turf and not on Astro turf. All Hypothesis. Averages alone does not decide if a batsman is great. If so Sanga is the next best batsman after Bradman- do you buy that argument? Take into account the longevity as well. Dravid has played double the number of tests as Greg.If you see my initial statement, when a committee sits to write an all time world 11, for the number 3, RD's name will still do the rounds along with the other greats which you have mentioned.

  • on June 26, 2011, 4:16 GMT

    Seeing this debate after Harsha's superb article wants to make me laugh. Dear God, when will Sachin's fans realise that praising RD does not in any way diminish Sachin's greatness. Someone here said that Rahul Dev Burman was the greatest Music director in Bollywood. What about his Dad, Sachin Dev Burman? Was he any less? Here we have been privileged to see greats like Sehwag, Ganguly, Dravid, Sachin, Laxman and Kumble play together in the same team. And we find Sachin's fans go on and on about Sachin being the best. Guys, chill! There have been greats earlier and there will be greats in the future. Enjoy the wonderful exhibition of Cricket that these greats provide to us while they roam the Cricket field. For after they are gone Cricket will be reduced to meaningless tamashas such as T20 and who knows T10 and maybe F5!

  • Bollo on June 26, 2011, 0:07 GMT

    Based on that Crininfo all-time XI, the greatest middle-order players (all-of whom played considerable amounts of time at No.3) in order were; Bradman, Tendulkar, V.Richards, Headley, Lara, Hammond, G.Pollock, G.Chappell. Sobers, who scored his record 365* at No.3, was only considered for an all-rounders spot, but surely would rate here as well. Ponting, 12th man for the Australian XI was not considered, likewise. This is the sort of competition we`re talking about when dscussing all-time great No.3s. There`s no shame in Dravid being rated just outside the top 10, by cricinfo, or by me for that matter.

  • Bollo on June 25, 2011, 23:40 GMT

    @Muski. Bradman has always been regarded as a No.3 (where he batted in about three quarters of his tests). Not sure why we should disregard Ponting, merely because he didn`t make the Australian alltime XI (behind Bradman and Chappell), cricinfo cetainly didn`t when they voted him cricketer of the decade 2000-2009. Ponting received 60 votes, Dravid 2. As for comparing Chappell and Dravid, Chappell played in an era of no helmets, lower averages, the greatest fast bowlers of all-time, and still averaged more than Dravid. Great West Indians, such as Lara and Richards, also averaged more than 60 in this position. Dravid has been a wonderful player, albeit an unusually defensive No.3, but I suggest he`s behind these 5, and a few others, in the all-time pecking order.

  • Kreacher_Rocks on June 25, 2011, 22:31 GMT

    @Ravichakra, you should follow your own advice and learn how to read stats and match reports. As requested: in the last 5 years, SRT and RD have featured in the same victories except for two matches: WI in 2006 and 2011. So excluding those matches will give a better head-to-head over the 20 victories. Figures: SRT 2009 runs @74.4 with 8 centuries; RD 1311 runs @45.2 with 4 centuries - a massive difference. Abroad in 10 matches: SRT 930@62 (4x100) RD 622@41.46(2x100). Excl BD (7 matches): SRT 544@41.84 (1x100) RD 354@29.5 (0x100). Adding the WI matches will only boost the last stat that I stated for RD, where his aggregate will go over SRT's (because it adds 4 innings), but SRT still has a higher ave with fewer not-outs. Spin it anyway you want: truth is RD has been far below his best in victories in the last 5 years. Check my comments again - I am an RD fan, but I am an SRT fan too. And unlike you I am not trying to fanatically do a character assassination of one to praise the other.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 25, 2011, 22:12 GMT

    @sachin86, I don't know what's so trivial about mental conditioning. In any walk of life, in any profession, you need sound body and proper frame of mind. I always thought Dravid wasn't in proper frame of mind in 07/08 just the way Sachin wasn't having a sound and fit body from 2003/04 to 06/07. If you don't think so, so be it. You just want to focus on onething that Dravid's form was bad from 2007. No, wait a minute. You are saying that Dravid is pretty ordinary and that 2002-06 was a purple patch of this ordinary batsman. Nothing much to debate with you if you ever thought Dravid is an ordinary batsman. But, well, to please you, I have no complaints even if he is pretty ordinary or even below Ganguly as long as Indians can now proudly say that it's because of him Indians have memorable wins. I care about and take interest in our wins, draws and losses with a fight but not in tasteless personal mile-stones. And so do many Indians.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 25, 2011, 21:18 GMT

    @sachin86, don't pick on the word 'dismal' ;). Just go beyond it and see. Don't miss the bigger picture. Stats are just a pointer to prove or undermine the noise that surrounds the villification of Dravid. I'm nobody to talk on the inabilities of two stalwarts of Indian Cricket - Sachin and Dravid. But I can't admire a selfish somebody who hides at the non-striker's end and exposes 10th and 11th batsmen. When I dislike sachin, it's not his skills but his tasteless choice to go off the strike again and again in SA that makes me run away from him. Just the way you can't admire Dravid, I can never admire Sachin. The days of admiring Sachin are gone forever.Cheers... @ravichakra, awesome stats bro. Thanks for giving stats some perspective.

  • sachin86 on June 25, 2011, 20:18 GMT

    @dravdi-gravitas

    If sachin really wanted to be selfish,he would've taken maximum strike without giving any chance to the tailenders.Like that he would've scored more runs than being a mere non-striker.simple logic.It's because it was the team strategy,which has been employed before too in the case of laxman against Australia, that he played his natural game giving strike to tailenders as it's impossible to contain them to non-striker's end.Maybe the team would've survived another hour if he had done like what you've said, but not more than that as the defeat was imminent. On the other hand,it's because dravid was selfish with his penchant for staying there without scoring runs to increase his average and drag his career that he lost his place in the ODIs. Well,sachin has millions of followers and hundreds of experts' opinion that he is the greatest ever.So,whatever maybe your opinion.

  • sachin86 on June 25, 2011, 19:17 GMT

    Whoever it is saying dravid is greater just coz he averages 49 in 4th innings in away matches,dude-the difference in runs is only 280 between sachin and dravid in the 4th innings in away matches and with such a small sample size of 28 innings how can you say dravid is better?it really baffles me.There are a lot more stats which shows sachin miles ahead of dravid so don't even compare.If you see all these years , Sachin has been the bench mark for comparison,they compared lara,ponting,dravid and now kallis with sachin.This clearly shows who is the best.

    why sachin,Today's batsmen like cook,strauss,Pieterson,sangakkara are ahead of dravid,then how can one compare him with sachin:D

  • sachin86 on June 25, 2011, 19:07 GMT

    @dravid gravitas

    Lol!!!how can an average of 55 be dismal?until 2006 dravid was just 1000 runs ahead of sachin (since dravid's debut)with an average more or less the same.This clearly shows who is head and shoulders above,If i discount the injury prone years of 2003,2005-2007(till march) then sachin would be averaging in 60s now with 20,000 runs.Which makes dravid's career a foot note.

    There was no politics or anything as such as dravid is a well-established player and he can't be controlled by politics of BCCI.It's his performance that lead to sacking of him in the ODIs which was rightly so.If there really was politics against him,he would've been gone by now even in tests.Actually,i believe it's his well-established image that is helping him stay in the team still even though he is sub par these years. I tell you dravid is just dragging his career just like kapil dev did to cross hadlee's record.As told before it's just his purple patch(2002-06) and sans that he's just ordinary.

  • anObserver on June 25, 2011, 18:49 GMT

    I think this is the right time to redeem "Dravid" from the guilt of loss in 2007 World cup, it was too harsh on him, especially considering his demise in the form and place from the ODI team which he captained in the world cup, he has lived his part through out his career, sometimes it was with a loud and thumping performances,leading nation to victory in all the forms of game. "Chappell" has done a damage more to him than to the nation, carrying burden of that defeat, without even a chance to defend it,he is sitting silently somewhere without support, and now, again he proves, his technique and sturdiness, which are his strengths, are unbeatable and unique and have always contributed to "success" of his team. It will be tough to write him off, and future will see, three icons of Indian cricket team "Tendulkar", "Dravid" and "Ganguly" to be known as the most distinguished and most influential characters of world cricket, each thriving on sustenance of a particular distinct trait.

  • sachin86 on June 25, 2011, 18:49 GMT

    @dravid gravitas

    yeah!just as you have set a filter till 2006.I can say sachin was miles ahead of lara,forget about dravid till 2003.In 90s only 3 people averaged above 50,sachin,lara and steve waugh.Sachin was well ahead with an average of 59 which i think is second best to bradman if we consider careers above 50 tests. If it's not for tennis elbow and other injuries who knows,maybe he would've averaged 65 with 20,000 runs already under his belt. Emotional injuries lol!!!physical injuries you cannot have control over it especially if you are playing for 15 years,but psychological it's the frailty of the individual's mind.This clearly says dravid bogs down to the pressure whereas sachin,during his lean phase, had a pressure 1000 times more than dravid has now.This is the very reason why sachin is the greatest ever,name one player who had this kind of run in the twilight of his career.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 25, 2011, 18:06 GMT

    @sachin86, I thought retirement is a personal decision that has nothing to do with us. Dravid isn't in ODIs though he didn't retire from ODIs. Have you heard of this thingy called dropping from the team? Who is stopping selectors from dropping him now? Calling for retirement is out of our purview, shouldn't/doesn't concern us and is rather unbecoming. Let the selectors make the call. Yes, as a fan I will always ask for players to be dropped if I find them unfit. I thought Dravid should have been dropped in 2007/08 and Sachin for sometime in 2003/04-05/06. Coming to selfishness, selfishness is hiding at the non-strikers end and expose the 10th and a debutant 11th batsman to Steyn and Co. If Dravid does something like that, he'll lose an admirer just like how Sachin lost an admirer in me for good with his tasteless decisions in SA. I saw similar things by Sachin in the past but I kept comforting myself that Sachin isn't so. He just nailed it in SA. Nuff said!

  • Ganchu on June 25, 2011, 17:58 GMT

    Dravid the great player for India but never recongnised as sachin, lost to the polytics of Dilip vengsarkar a slfish crickter

  • on June 25, 2011, 17:49 GMT

    its shame we ppl comparing all time greats of indian cricket..

  • on June 25, 2011, 17:40 GMT

    @sachin86 : do u knw sachin averages mere 29 in 4th innings of a test match in all the away matches outside India whereas Dravid averages around 50.n u knw mostly in the 4th innings of a test match away, the pitch deteriorates n behaves unexpectedly wid unknown behaviour every time.n the batsman has to handle tht extra pressure.most of times 4th innings decides whether u win or lose or draw the test.this is where significance of 4th innings lies.n sachin is well below the benchmark away that department.

  • The_Dynamite_Kid on June 25, 2011, 17:39 GMT

    By the way, Tendulkar found a place in Cricinfo's All Time World XI recently. Did Dravid manage to find a place in even the 2nd All Time World XI created for consolation? The answer is a big, fat 'NO'!

  • on June 25, 2011, 17:34 GMT

    @muski I think a certain Brian Lara played at number 3 as well.

  • sskris1 on June 25, 2011, 17:16 GMT

    Why are we comparing Sachin and RD? we should be proud, honored, grateful that these two greats are playing for India and are adored all over the world. Who cares whose record is better as long as they keep doing what they are good at. The longer they play the more the youngsters can learn from them. Most important lesson is "How to remain HUMBLE while still being great" When they retire...Oh! will we miss them. The golden period of India cricket is at the horizon setting from the glory days.

  • on June 25, 2011, 16:57 GMT

    Nice Summary "whenever an all-time Indian XI gets picked, Nos. 1, 3 and 4 will be written simultaneously". Yes.. Gavasakar at 1, Dravid at 3 & Tendulkar at 4..will be definitely in All-Time Indian Test XI.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 25, 2011, 16:55 GMT

    @Sachin86, we can have filters as we please. There is no arguement that Dravid's career took a nose-dive after 2006 and he has been playing very well since 2009. Since 2009, he has patches of failed outings just like how Sachin failed against NZ in Ind, SL in Ind and SL in SL. Not every player will click in every series. But, anybody would understand your grouse if a youngster is better than a substandard Dravid or Sachin. When you set the filter until the end of 2006 since Dravid's debut, Dravid reads a staggering 9098 @ 57.58 with 23 centuries and 46 50s and Sachin reads a dismal 7961 @ 55.67 with 26 centuries and 29 50s. A player who can't be compared to Sachin, is head & shoulders above Sachin even in numbers until the politics of BCCI and the bigmouth of Vengsarkar took its toll. So, quit this comparison. Dravid was going through a very tough emotional phase in 2007 and 2008. Injuries don't just have to be tennis elbows. They can be psychological as well.

  • ilovcricket on June 25, 2011, 16:42 GMT

    I m not here to compare..just here to justify who is a BETTER CRICKETER, RAHUL or SACHIN ..its surely RAHUL !!!!! in all THREE formats more runs scored for the period since RAHUL s debut in TEST/ODI cricket ..MORE runs scored in wins/partnerships, MORE catches taken, more th an 10000 ODI runs in ALL BATTING positions for a batsmen in ODI; WICKET KEEPING, CATCHES; CAPTAINCY (we all know SACHIN was/is a poor CAPTAIN including IPL), RAHUL IS THE BEST !!! even today there are so many Indian ODI cricketers with similar strike rates as RAHUL .....

  • The_Dynamite_Kid on June 25, 2011, 16:35 GMT

    We saw how well the broken WALL performed in the last 2 away series in Sri Lanka and South Africa averaging an amazing 20 odd in both those series. This minnow basher has been bashing weak attacks since mid 2005 to extend his deadline. Let's see last year. First was the test series Bangladesh, let's not talk about it. Then Test series against South Africa, failed miserably. Then the Tour to Sri Lanka where he averaged 20 odd. The the test series against Australia where he averaged 15. The came the below average New Zealand series where he made merry. The came the tour to South Africa where he once again flopped miserably averaging 20 odd. And now we have the 9th ranked team and he's making merry once again. He should be ashamed for handing on to the team despite being an epic failure and miserably example since September, 2006.

  • muski on June 25, 2011, 15:44 GMT

    Guys- There is another thing about RD which Rajesh of Cricinfo has still not pointed out. If you do an analysis of the number of hours spent on the wicket for a batsmen throughout their test career, RD is miles ahead of any batsmen. Does this drive home a point on the man. @Bollo- Bradman, as i know, is still considered as number 4 by most. Forget Ricky for the moment as I realize now that he did not even make the Aussie all time 11 at number 3. Greg though great, cannot be compared to what RD has done. There is no other number 3 that comes to my mind in the 32 years of Test Cricket which I have watched.

  • on June 25, 2011, 14:38 GMT

    some people only have one criterion for appreciation and that is total no. of runs.... they forget about the quality...i pity such people......RD is the Best quality player for india...

  • sachin86 on June 25, 2011, 14:33 GMT

    @dravid-gravitas If dravid is a selfless cricketer then he would've quit a long time ago for the benefit of the team but he didn't.He wasted the one-down position with his sub-par performance over the years.Also,what player is he if he can't rotate strike,change the gear according to the situation but just play a bland cricket always looking for saving his place by playing slower than say even boycott.His only skill is he can stick on to the wicket for sessions which he capitalized on it to score some runs but by facing three times as many balls.It's because of this selfishness that he lost his place in the ODI team.HE cost us so many matches in the ODIs with his pressure-building performance with the bat.Overall,it's just his inability to score runs that he hides behind this facade of "the wall".

  • on June 25, 2011, 14:17 GMT

    Patience has been a childhood friend, and it has allowed him to retain the intensity.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 25, 2011, 13:55 GMT

    I'm very thankful to everybody who explained about Dravid and Sachin and why one is better than the other. Honestly, do we really need to do that? I read articles to see which author is better, not to know which player is better, this is a competition for authors not the players. Players compete against/with each other on the field. My reasons to hold Dravid on a higher pedestal is that trait that is conspicuous by its absence in Sachin - playing selfless cricket oblivious to numbers and fighting it out till the end no matter what. I'm not convinced either way about who is superior on the field with the armoury they possess, from talent to temperament. But for now, Dravid comprehensively edges out Sachin on the field with their respective armoury while Dravid loses out on overall stats. No disrespect to Sachin, though he is one of a kind. He can still strive to be as successful as Dravid. Just play like Dravid, oblivious to numbers. Leave the numbers for us critics on cricinfo ;).

  • RFeynman on June 25, 2011, 13:32 GMT

    @Bollo: Compare Ricky Ponting with Dravid? Please, give me a break. Ponting's record WAS formidable but that is only half the story. More often than not, he batted under no pressure whatsover, with McGrath and Warne setting it up for him with their bowling.Look where he is now, with no such luxury. Dravid, on the other hand, had to do just the opposite. And when it comes to setting examples on how a cricketing gentleman has to be, any sane person would admit Dravid and Ponting are opposites. Dravid being the gentleman, in case it still didn't ring a bell for you.

  • jay57870 on June 25, 2011, 13:27 GMT

    Harsha -- There's a more telling number - 29,420 partnership runs in Tests - that should even more convincingly "seal most debates" about Dravid (apart from his 12,215 Test runs). As stats editor S. Rajesh points out, this is the most among Test batsmen (ie, Tendulkar, Kallis, Ponting, Lara, etc). Another striking number: Rahul's contribution is a mere 41.52%, meaning he readily takes on the "anchor" role, while allowing "more high-profile strokeplayers" to dominate at the other end. Another observation: The next best is Sachin with a close 28,794 partnership runs & 51.02% contribution. Not surprisingly, the Rahul-Sachin pair has a combined 6,352 runs (highest) in a long 129 innings. What Staying Power! Batting is essentially about building partnerships, helping the team succeed and giving it a chance to win. It's called SYNERGY: Combined value is bigger than the sum of its parts. The duo's contribution to Indian cricket cannot be adequately underscored! Celebrate RAHUL AND SACHIN!!

  • on June 25, 2011, 12:35 GMT

    Dravid is great in Tests but Sachin is God...waiting for Mr. Wall's failure against tough teams one more time

  • cricsans on June 25, 2011, 12:33 GMT

    Harsha: How come you have left #2 open? Sunny and Sehwag must be in the all time Test XI.

  • on June 25, 2011, 12:29 GMT

    India's Most Valuable but silent and always likeed to be out of Fame batsman :)

  • sachin86 on June 25, 2011, 12:05 GMT

    @ravi chakra

    Are you kidding me?Sachin's stats 138 233 25 12063 248* 57.99

    rahul's stats 151 261 29 12215 270 52.65

    These are the stats since rahul's debut.Despite rahul playing 28 more innings he just scored 152 runs more than sachin. look at the average almost 5 more than dravid.Who was the main contributor?

    okay,let's see excluding Zim,Bang(though Zim was a good team in 90s,but let's remove them) sachin - 124 212 20 10387 241* 54.09 Rahul - 135 238 24 10676 270 49.88 look at the difference,rahul played 26 innings more but just scored 289 runs more than sachin and sachin averages 4 more than rahul. The years i've given you is the calender year runs scored by both since rahul's debut.Sachin leads in 10 years while rahul just 5 years.Like is said before, rahul will not even feature in the 3rd all-time XI team.Quit this comparison.

  • on June 25, 2011, 11:27 GMT

    I think numbers 1-5 for an Indian XI are an automatic choice:

    1. Sunil Gavaskar 2. Virender Sehwag 3. Rahul Dravid 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. VVS Laxman

  • Deepkar on June 25, 2011, 11:26 GMT

    U ppl compairing srt, dravid & vvs r like u r compairing base, wall & roof tell me what is more imp? here srt is base, vvs is roof & u all know who is the wall?

  • UNIVERSAL_CRICKETER on June 25, 2011, 10:48 GMT

    DRAVID IS "THE ALL TIME REAL GREAT WALL"....AT NO. 3 POSITION.....HE MAY BE THE RAREST BATSMAN AVERAGING MORE IN AWAY MATCHES....IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES....AVG. 54 WITH 18 100'S & 34 50'S......IN INDIA ITS 50- 14 - 25.....UMPTEENTH TIMES HE HAVE COME TO BAT IN THE 1ST 5 OVERS....AS GOOD AS AN OPENER.....A RARE GENTLEMAN LIKE GILCHRIST...HE COULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD CAPTAIN,...IF HE HAD SUPPORTED HIS PLAYERS INSTEAD OF SIDING WITH CHAPPEL....SREESANTH WON INDIA THE TEST IN JOHANNESBURG AGAINST SA IN 2006....AND AT PRESENTATION CEREMONY DRAVID ADMONISHED SREESANTH FOR HIS BRAVE ASSERTIONS AGAINST ANDRE NEL'S ABUSES.....INSTINCTIVELY I THOUGHT DRAVID CAN NEVER BE A GOOD CAPTAIN....INSTEAD OF PRAISING SREESANTH IN PUBLIC ...HE WAS DISCOURAGING HIS MATCH WINNER.....HE LOST HIS TEAM MATES SUPPORT & RESPECT IN THEIR CLASH WITH CHAPPEL.....BUT HE WAS THE BEST VICE-CAPTAIN.....

  • anilkanduri on June 25, 2011, 10:09 GMT

    @ravickara It is the bowlers who win the matches,batsmen can only save them or give the bowlers a better chance to finish the job.What if Ishant and Praveen hadn't bowled so well and pick WI wickets? Then,WI might have won and Dravid's ton would have come in a losing cause.A batsmen's knock should be coupled by the bowler's efforts.When u comment on Sachin's runs,have a look at our bowler's performance as well.Or else,u mean that Sachin should bowl and pick 20 opponent wickets and thus win the game for us?

  • Bollo on June 25, 2011, 9:00 GMT

    @Muski. Dravid as all-time World XI NO.3? At least 3 Australians alone would be rated above him there (Bradman, G.Chappell, R.Ponting). Yes, his test average may be close to Ponting`s, just that Ricky scores his runs abut 50% faster. Dravid`s been a wonderful player, but keep some semblance of perspective please.

  • Dravid_Best on June 25, 2011, 8:59 GMT

    While Sachin has been excellent in collecting a nice amount of statistics, he's not been half as good as Dravid in winning India matches from impossible situations. Sachin cannot handle pressure compared to Dravid. And also, sachin has played 7 years of international cricket more than dravid,... and has only scored about 2500 more runs! That clearly indicates Dravid's better.

  • on June 25, 2011, 8:30 GMT

    It is a product of extraordinary ability and dedication. great words to describe RD and his game .Hats of to the " great wall ".

  • on June 25, 2011, 8:28 GMT

    Why cant people always have to choose which one is the best, why cant there be many best's???? i would consider that Sachin, Laxman, and Dravid are best in their own way, there is no way we can compare them, Have their own styles and have volumes of record to speak about them, we must consider ourselves to be lucky to have 3 best batsmen ever to have grace the field.

  • harshthakor on June 25, 2011, 8:27 GMT

    Comparing Dravid to Sachin lis like comparing chalk to cheese.Dravid in his peak was the ultimate batsman to bat for your life.In his peak years from 2002-2007 Dravid overshadowed Sachin Tendulkar ,winning almost all the tests in which he scored centuries.Even stats analysis ratings placed him ahead of Sachin.Dravid boasted of the 4th highse overseas tset average ever.In addition he was the technically soundest batsmen of his era and the best in a crisis.

    However remember Tendulkar is far more flamboyant and his outstanding comeback settles the issue on who is the better player.Sachin would have won more matches than Dravid in his peak had he received enough support.Mere stats can never tell the story but it is fitting that today Sachin even statistically overshadows Dravid,who could not dominate great bolwing to the same degree.Dravid in his heyday also got much more support and thus could make a greater contribution to wins.

  • on June 25, 2011, 6:27 GMT

    A true living ledgend of the game. One of the most reliable and dependable batsmen in any of the test teams. I hope some of our emerging cricketers (AB, Duminy, Ingram) can take a leaf out of his book - especially in the patience department).

  • on June 25, 2011, 6:24 GMT

    2 things i like the most.... RD's batting and....Harsha's writing abt RD....[:)]

  • rsgranjan on June 25, 2011, 6:15 GMT

    I dont know why people keep comparing Dravid and Sachin. They both are great in their own ways. Sachin has played some important innings and has maintained his consistency for many number of years compared to dravid. Dravid on the other hand even if he has played for lesser number of years compared to sachin has played many great knocks and has showed his metal under extreme trying conditions. I am sure even sachin and dravid dont have this ego clash when they are sharing the dressing room. They both respect and acknowledge each others effort. We are blessed to have 4 all time greats playing at the same time in the form of sachin, ganguly (our own dada), VVS (Very very special lakshman) and The wall (dravid). Dravid for sure handles pressure better than sachin and his technique is undoubtedly impeccable. Sachin is a best combination of technique and aggression. I say dont compare both of them and instead enjoy their individual greatness.There would be no dravid and sachin born again!!!

  • BHUTORIA on June 25, 2011, 6:13 GMT

    This Tour of West Indies will also see something spectacular that is Sir Rahul Dravid becoming the 2nd Highest Run Getter in the Longest form of the game. With Just 151 more runs Rahul Dravid will get his due. HATS OFF TO A MASTER CRAFTSMAN.

  • CricEshwar on June 25, 2011, 6:05 GMT

    It is sad that this has to be a bitter rivalry among opposite fans bitching about two of the best batsmen India produced. They have shared the dressing room for 15 years, they don't seem to have a problem, why you guys? Each have their strengths and weakness, it is a brilliant achievement that they survived and sometimes dominated in an International team for so long however they did it. We should appreciate it and hope there would be a smooth and successful transition to the next generation.

  • CricEshwar on June 25, 2011, 5:55 GMT

    What Rahul Dravid defines is that you don't have to be a born genius to achieve greatness or have a long run in the Indian team, but with dedication and hard work anyone can achieve greatness.

  • henchart on June 25, 2011, 5:54 GMT

    Dravid is a very good batsman but Sachin is a better batsman.Infact ,Sachin is the best batsman of this era. All time list of batsmen-Don Bradman,Garry Sobers,Vivian Richards,Sachin Tendulkar and Jaques Kallis.

  • devsteam on June 25, 2011, 4:59 GMT

    Thanks for an article about "the wall" as we call him. Its great to see how sachin, rahul and laxman has maintained their game even at this age. Looks like they are never getting old. I just miss one cricketer who never been credited for work. Talking about Anil Kumble. Good to see India at No.1 position but I am a firm believer that we would have been there much before if somebody like him would have been appreciated and allowed to lead team India. And Harsha, why can't you be into BCCI rather than having game illiterates like Sharad Pawar and other's????!!! And in fact why not somebody like Kumble come forward?

  • on June 25, 2011, 4:48 GMT

    seriously u guys need to end this now , this is ridiculous comparing both legends, who have the utmost respect for each other,who play for the same team i,.e India, PPl's opinion certainly varies on who's best who's not , Sachin is born for the game cricket he's a prodigy no doubts, meanwhile dravid's one who used his limited potential to be a gr8 star for our country, both have diffeerent roles for the team , and both have done enough for the country for india to reach the top spot so pls guys lets celebrate their gud times and support them during their bad times i.e how it's done :) u dunno how much they've sacrificed just to see india attain success, be in their shoes even for a couple of minutes and u'd see how tough it is to battle when ppl r calling for ur head, so pls guys support them ,after yrs of service tht's all they're asking for :)ty and sachin86 don't be too sceptical abt other players pls respect em all , give respect u'd get some respect back :)

  • muski on June 25, 2011, 4:48 GMT

    Harsha it amazes me that people tend to compare Rahul with Sachin. Why cant they be incomparable and still have their own identity. One bloke calls RD boring. He is not there to entertain you. For that you can watch the Tamasha T20's with dance and music.I don't know what this younger generation would have said if they had the chance to see Sunny bat in his prime. He was no entertainer by any stretch of imagination.What gave immense pleasure was the contest between bat and ball . He does not realize that it is this attribute of RD that has perhaps won us most matches in the last decade or so. Let us give this man the due place he deserves in the cricketing history of the world. Why only an all time Indian Number 3- why cant he be in the running for an all time world no 3. He has done more than Compare his and Ponting's stats- No different. They are neck to neck. In fact RD may just edge him out considering the fact that Ricky is more of an ungentlemanly cricketer.

  • on June 25, 2011, 4:34 GMT

    you can never get tired of watching dravid play, very stylish and plays with full authority in stroke making. defence is as we all know wall is the word. great knock and thanks harsha for good article.

  • ravichakra on June 25, 2011, 4:18 GMT

    @sachin86, can you give me the basis by which you decide that Sachin tops the chart for 10 years? I have already provided statistics that decade after decade post RD's debut, Dravid has been the highest run getter for Team India leaving Sachin as second best. RD has more significant innings than Sachin in Tests

    @ Emancipator007, If Sachin has 2 strokes for every ball, why do these strokes not help the team when they are in dire straits? If Dravid only had his defence, then who scored 12,215 runs. Must be Sachin on behalf of Dravid?

    @Kreacher_Rocks, let us dig out the stats for last 5 years and check out how many matches were won by Sachin or his contributions, so that we can then look at Dravid's record in the same period.

  • ravichakra on June 25, 2011, 4:08 GMT

    @ Kreacher_Rocks: Reading match bulletins written by people / media hungry for Sachin footage does not provide any credence to an innings. Sachin was the highest run getter in that series in Aus, but second best in the match to Dravid in a winning cause. That has been precisely my point of significance of an innings. Sachin often scores hundreds in inconsequential situations and accumulates personal milestones. Take the year 2010 for example, he was the highest run getter. But Laxman had to step in 4 times to save / win India the match. Sachin was instrumental in 1 game against the Aussies whereas Dravid did it once against NZ. Learn to read the statistics in the right manner. Merely looking at scorecards and series aggregates at the end of the match do not provide adequate insight especially in the case of a player who has done nothing but accumulate personal milestones. And lastly, how many wins has Sachin provided the team in the last 5 years?

  • on June 25, 2011, 3:51 GMT

    Guys, can't we take co-existence of 2 players in a nation of 100+ crore people? Let us enjoy the greatness of each of our players and not put down one player because we like another player more. Cricket needs 11 players playing and many as back up and not just one Sachin or one Dravid. The players have team spirit and they focus on performing and making the team win. As fans let us also support them perform and revel in victories of the country. Jai Team India!!

  • sadu123 on June 25, 2011, 2:41 GMT

    I'm lucky to see Dravid bat since his debut. He has won or saved more matches during his first ten years, played lot of crucial innings when needed. I'm great fan of Sachin. But to me Dravid is best. During last five years Shewag has lot of impact ... much more than Sachin, Dravid and others put together. Laxman has played few wonderfulmatch winning innings. Sachin has rarely played such innings but gets much more attention. We alk about fab 4 always but the man who won more matches for India in last 18-20 years is Kumble!! Give him a credit.

  • Emancipator007 on June 25, 2011, 2:34 GMT

    @ Gravitas, Ravichakra: Always remember that SRT's technical proficiency is but 1 part of his overall complete all-round game whereas technical brilliance of RD is his most defining batting parameter (let's keep subjectives like temperament, grit, patience out for now).The difference is that SRT's UNBOUNDED talent ensures that he has stroke or 2 ready for every defensive prod or foot movement (backwards or forwards). So that makes SRT's overall batting technique more pure (unlike the one-dimensional game of RD)and thus he is INARGUABLY called the most complete batsman of all time by connoisseurs and experts.The amazing thing is that SRT has not fully REALIZED or capitalized on his total capabilities whereas RD had fleshed out his entire skills/abilities to the fullest. Also both SRT and Dravid have also been lucky that Sehwag has scored almost 8000 runs in the past decade at that RATE(and highly motivated Gambhir for past 2 years) to help them prosper (SRT never had that luxury in 90s)

  • on June 25, 2011, 2:22 GMT

    @sachin86-mind u buddy sachin played 7years more than dravid i.e:89-2011 but scored just 2k runs more than him.

  • dilanz51 on June 25, 2011, 2:01 GMT

    Dravid= boring

    I would tather watch Tatenda Taibu bat.

  • sachin86 on June 25, 2011, 1:56 GMT

    @dravid-gravitas huh!technical brilliance? IMO the only aspect of technique where Dravid matched Tendulkar was in the COMPACTNESS of his defense against quick bowlers. Bat & Pad held very close together while defending on frontfoot. Watching the ball very late n swaying away at the very last moment. The decisive precision to judge where his offstump was... And the thing is Tendlya's geniotic technique was pretty much evident since his debut. And his technique was not the only dimension of his GENIUS , there was alot more to talk about apart from his technique so no one talked about just his technique. Tendlya being obvious to talk when Dravid debutted , all the attention came to him. And his compact defense being the MOST crucial weapon of his armory was talked about the most.The way I see it, technical correctness isn't just forward/backward defensive strokes (i.e. blocks); it extends to the complete & proper execution of all the shots too which is done by sachin.

  • sachin86 on June 25, 2011, 1:48 GMT

    sachin and dravid have played test cricket together for 15 yrs...out of those 15 yrs, sachin tops the charts for 10 years and dravid only for 5 years...(02 to 06)......and here some fanatics call him the best indian test batsman?

    @Dravid_Gravitas Oh!so why has india won more matches in the past 5 years and reached number 1 when "Chips were down because Dravid was already back in the pavilion" which has been the case if you look at his record in these 5 years.Coincidentally,it was sachin who had a glorious run in the past 5 years.what does this whole thing say?

  • Emancipator007 on June 25, 2011, 1:33 GMT

    Admirable traits about RD: Never hankered/bothered about the limelight unlike Ganguly and Yuvraj who reveled and performed better because of any spotlight on them. RD is a professional to a fault and just goes about his apportioned tasks with the utmost commitment. However his gentlemanly and intense personality was good only for his own batting and not for the purposes of leading a national team. There is a difference between being an astute captain and a leader. As a result he came a cropper in fusing team spirit during the painful Chappell era when RD allowed Greg to ride roughshod in team management processes. It is this soft, pusillanimous attitude which did not endear him to SRT,Yuvi,Sehwag,Bhaji,Zak, Ganguly (all of whom were put on notice by Chappell and ironically all of whom have been the key to India's no 1 Test status and World Cup win- barring Ganguly). That's why no tears were shed by any team member when RD gave up the captaincy.

  • pmahone on June 25, 2011, 0:28 GMT

    Nice piece Harsha and welcome back Rahul D, one of my all time favourites.

    When it comes to courage and mental strength, Dravid is the man

  • on June 24, 2011, 23:40 GMT

    Score a century, make a 50, score another century, be the wall. For the posterity shall anyway know but even the present will be reminded, that here is a player who belongs right up there.

    Welcome back : )

  • on June 24, 2011, 23:02 GMT

    i think nos 1 , 2, 3, 4 and 5 will be written simultaneously , referring to Gavaskar , Sehwag , Dravid , Sachin , Laxman...

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 24, 2011, 23:02 GMT

    @sachin86, another phallacy in your arguement is you showed his average in lost matches and concluded that when chips were down and India needed him most, Dravid didn't perform. That's wrong. It's the other way around. Chips were down because Dravid is already back in the pavillion. Take the latest test - If Dravid was gone then the chips would have been down. Somebody else should take up, perform and take India to safety. As simple as that. Try to see the cause and effect relation and the chronology of events as they unfold. Dravid goes cheaply, team struggles and loses. He wouldn't be allowed to come out and bat again. Would he be? I'm sure if he were given another chance, he would undo the damage. Proof - one chance by Sammy and he did pay them back and took India not just to safety but to a win. That's Dravid for you. A rare quality not matched by any other batsman simply because of his style of grinding the opposition to dust and the whole team bats for more overs and scores more.

  • on June 24, 2011, 22:56 GMT

    Harsha Sir, Please specify that its all time India XI "TEST" team. Thanks...!!

  • on June 24, 2011, 22:55 GMT

    why have u not included badri in that list of upcoming cricketers??

  • MRRNair on June 24, 2011, 21:44 GMT

    @sachin86 - Dude, Rahul Dravid bats at #3, if you are saying, when others perform then Rahul also performs, it is wrong. It is other way around... Mr Wall, takes the shine of the ball and makes it easy for others to play around him. Please do not compare Sachin & Dravid. They are definitely elite players however the PR of Sachin was much better than that of others in the fab 4. So he shoot up to fame faster than others and he complimented the PR's with his performance as well. Let us not debate on who is better, but be proud that they are playing for the cricketing club from India.

  • CricFan78 on June 24, 2011, 21:41 GMT

    ravichakra take it easy, I never compared Sachin to Dravid . Both are great batsmen but IMO Dravid's time is up. We need someone who can go and score in Eng, Aus, SA and SL and as I showed Dravid has been a failure in these countries for past 4-5 yrs

  • Kreacher_Rocks on June 24, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    @Ravichakra, it might help you to check stats. In that match in Perth Tendulkar was the second highest scorer - he made 71 and 13 for a total of 84. Dravid made 93 and 3 - total of 96. Do read up the match bulletin - Tendulkar neither batted badly nor scored poorly. And remember, by a distance Tendulkar was the best batsman in that series (at least for India). You have to look really hard for the last time Dravid significantly outscored Tendulkar in an Indian victory abroad.

  • on June 24, 2011, 21:16 GMT

    DrAVID IS BETTER THAN SACHIN DUDE SACHIN IS JUST LUCKY. SACHIN STARTED AT 1989 AND DRAVID 1996 SACHIN PLAYED MORE YEARS THAN DRAVID IF HE DIDN T THAN DRAVID COULD HAD BEEN NO 1 TO.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 24, 2011, 20:58 GMT

    @sachin86, you are embarking on a futile exercise. I won't understand what is meant by Dravid scores when there is contribution from others. Eg: 28 was the next highest score in this inning. Well, a section of the crowd who love Dravid for his selfless approach and technical brilliance is not able to see the selfless approach in Sachin though the same crowd is in awe of Sachin's brilliance. Honestly, I don't know. It's not for this section of the crowd to sort it out. Sachin, simply put, should bat oblivious to numbers. VVS could never get all the runs on his own and so he has to make the tailenders an integral part of the chase boosting their morale step by step. Whereas, in Sachin's case the match is a foregone conclusion and so what exactly was he trying to make the tailenders part of? You mean to say Sachin tried to make the tailenders an integral part to save the match from an innings defeat by taking single off the first ball and rushing to the striker's end off the 5th ball? ;-)

  • on June 24, 2011, 20:53 GMT

    @sachin86: dravid s not a solo winner, name any big partnership r big runs scored Dravid would have been a part of it, he provides others the support required. all 11 can't be match winners in a team. he is the catalyst for Indian Youngsters to perform..

  • Mcgrath-Dravid-Flintoff on June 24, 2011, 20:51 GMT

    Oh so finally Harsha has time for Dravid! i just hate shastri and sunny for going on and on about sachin! what about dravid? hes almsot as good as saching and has played more match winning innings that him but never a article about him! shame on you so called cricket experts! stick to t-20, thats all you are fit for if you cant appreciate a legend

  • ravichakra on June 24, 2011, 20:21 GMT

    I think I have had enough of RD bashing from Sachin fans. This will seal the debate. I rest my case.

    Here is the link for an analysis of significant Test innings done by cricinfo. Search for the below text in single quotes in the link provided below.

    'Rahul Dravid has the highest number of "significant" innings: A Cricinfo analysis'

    http://www.dravidthewall.com/search/label/Achievements

  • GundappaFan on June 24, 2011, 20:13 GMT

    "ego and anger are like cholesterol and sugar in the blood; eventually they will get you." Well said, Harsha!

    I am a bit puzzled by your final statement about the #1, 3, and 4 of an all-time India XI. Are you referring to the best-ever Indian players at batting positions 1, 3, and 4? If so, which players are you referring to?

  • sachin86 on June 24, 2011, 20:07 GMT

    wasn't it dravid who scored 6(65),15(116),12(91).All are gems i say.I even remember in one of those innings' dravid scored his first run after playing 40 balls which was applauded by the crowd when he took the single.He's in league above sachin-lara.Truly.

  • ravichakra on June 24, 2011, 20:03 GMT

    @Kreacher_Rocks : Why was Dravid voted as the man of the match in the Headingly test despite Sachin's 196? Because it was more significant than Sachin's innings. My point is look at the significance of an innings (match situation, result, what conditions, opposition, etc.) not merely accumulation of runs to further personal milestones. By the way, RD has scored 2,293 runs overseas in Indian wins whereas Sachin has scored 2,017. If Bangladesh is removed from this, the runs are 1,796 for Dravid (244 '4s' & 3 '6s')and 1,329 (168 '4s' & 4 '6s')for Sachin. Don't make calls based on fanaticism but put down the correct facts and statistics.

  • sachin86 on June 24, 2011, 19:59 GMT

    @ravichakra

    Dravid's career itself is insignificant when compared to what sachin,sehwag and laxman have contributed to the team.Which is the reason why he doesn't get any attention in his milestones and also in his failures(like his 5 years lean period which nobody bayed for his blood.) Overall he is just a good batsman a touch above ganguly.Gambhir is the man who could well tip dravid off to be a better batsman in showing solidarity.

  • sachin86 on June 24, 2011, 19:52 GMT

    people who are saying dravid is a better match-winner.The fact is dravid only scores when all is well and there is contribution from the other side.He averages a very low 23 in lost matches and scored only one century which says that when chips are down and the team is in the crisis he bogged down like everybody else.Where as sachin scored 11 centuries in lost matches and averages close to 40 which says he was the man when india were in dire straits;which is evident from his scores like 114 vs AUS at perth,111 vs SA in 1993,169 vs Sa in 1996,136 vs pakistan in 1999 at chennai,122 vs ENG in 1996 at edgbaston to say a few.Dravid can only dream of such innings'.There was always support for dravid but in 90s sachin had no support.

    Sachin averages better in won matches and also in drawn and lost matches compared to dravid which says sachin is the better of the two.

  • sachin86 on June 24, 2011, 19:45 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas

    Even laxman gave much of the strike to tailenders like ishant in that test in 2010 against Australia in 4th innings.but nobody complained coz it worked.When sachin does the same thing that too when defeat was imminent on final day against SA it's called being selfish.

  • powered005 on June 24, 2011, 19:28 GMT

    DRAVID: one man army in the game of Cricket, never before and never after

  • intcamd on June 24, 2011, 18:54 GMT

    Good point on Dravid being voted to #3, and that too simultaneously with #1 and #4. Too bad Harsha can not say the same about #5. He has written some nice articles on VVS, especially when the latter wins tests for India on the 5th day by himself (which happens all too frequently, btw), but otherwise, Bhogle has been rather parsimonious towards Laxman, and omitted him from his all time India XI, and instead picked Umrigar.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 24, 2011, 18:54 GMT

    @ravichakra, though Dravid and Sachin are comparable statistically one of the reasons why people dislike Sachin is the way he bats. There is this perception that Sachin bats for numbers. As you rightly pointed out, Sachin's approach in SA was in a very poor taste. People are not blind I suppose. Nobody is saying that was a situation from which we could save/win the match. But, he didn't take it upon himself once the result was clear. So, what should Sachin do to change this rightful perception? He should try and bat like Dravid, oblivious to numbers. And that is difficult not only for Sachin but for every batsman that we know of. People who don't like Sachin never do so by saying that he is a deficient batsman nor attack his capabilities. On the otherhand, there are people who dislike Dravid based on this perception that Dravid is a deficient batsman and attack his capabilities. Now, anybody who understands the nuances of batting will not pay any attention to such, should I say, rants.

  • on June 24, 2011, 18:45 GMT

    His dedication and attention to detail is just amazing...this guy has played so many match winning innings for india especially abroad that its only right for him to be indicted in the hall of fame....his hundred in adelaide or the double hundred in headingly are standouts...even the double hundred in pakistan was a pleasure.....I don't know about any other position but don't think India has ever had a better number 3 at test level....and most of the times he used to walk in with india a wicket down for anothing significant on the board....even now after an extended hiatus he comes back and scores a match winning hundred...the youngsters in the Indian team should use his acumen to benefit their cricketing growth.....remember its not the 4's or 6's alone but the sum total of participation and performance when required is what matters......no cricket would even rate anything above a test hundred or a 5 wicket haul for that matter.....the wall still holds strong and steady!!

  • ravichakra on June 24, 2011, 18:13 GMT

    In this country it is unfortunate but true that a player who himself was miserable in ODIs decides on the future of another player far far superior than him. I am referring to 36 runs scored off 19 overs to prove that he dislikes ODIs ( a personal opinion thrust on the team). As mentioned earlier, Dravid has scored 50 off 22 balls in ODIs yet to be matched the so called great and even the youngsters of today.

    Stop baying for the blood of a player who has the most significant Test innings among Indians!

  • Kreacher_Rocks on June 24, 2011, 17:59 GMT

    I am a big fan of Dravid, but I have a gripe when folks start dissing other players to put him on a pedestal. People commenting about a double century in Headingley in 2002 need to check facts. Dravid made 148 in difficult conditions in that match with Sanjay Bangar as a partner and though that laid the foundation for a massive score, it must not be forgotten that it was really Ganguly (128) and Tendulkar (193) who put the match out of England's grasp by aggressively hammering England in the last hour of the second day (anyone remember them declining the offer of light and then embarking on power-hitting?). Dravid's double was in the next match, which was drawn. Also people commenting about Dravid being the cause of India's victory in NZ in 2008/2009 need to check their facts. In the only match India won, the key batsman was Tendulkar (160), not Dravid. To say that Dravid is a matchwinner is one thing, to say that others are not is an entirely different matter.

  • ravichakra on June 24, 2011, 17:58 GMT

    @CricFan78, @indianpunter, @AsisRout : Continuing further, 100 in 250 balls is derided as being boring when the next best score is 28 by a number 8. Sachin took 18 balls to open his account on the SA tour in 2006. Did you ask the same question then? How many times has Dravid been shielded by a night watchman - never. How many times has Sachin been shielded by Dravid or a night watchman - innumerable times.

    Now the much talked about debate that he is not fit for IPL or ODI - He has a faster 50 in ODIs than Sachin (50 off 22 balls by RD against 50 off 29 balls by Sachin). Many of these IPL specialists are yet to match his 75 off 36 balls. Sachin is nowhere near it despite his best efforts.

    Be it any form of the game, Rahul Dravid has proved beyond doubt that he is better than the best.

    Merely don't project warped statistics to deride the best Indian Test cricketer ever

  • amit4cricket on June 24, 2011, 17:55 GMT

    This is unfortunate for legend like Dravid that he always have to live in the shadow of Sachin - the greatest batsman ever.. The era of Sachin,Dravid, Ganguly,Lax and Kumble... will always be remembered as golden period of Indian Cricket..

  • ravichakra on June 24, 2011, 17:49 GMT

    @CricFan78, @indianpunter, @AsisRout : First of all, average is the poorest means of statistics, that is if you know how an average is calculated. It hides insignificant innings played (something observed in plenty in your favourite sportspersons career - 15000 Test runs and 51 centuries). If you do not know I would like to point out that Rahul Dravid is the lone Indian to have the most number of significant innings in Test cricket amongst 20 world Test cricketers. Secondlly, he is not a Sachin to score a century when the cause is lost and expose the tail soon thereafter and remain not out so that the average can increase. He could have done that easily in this match, but he chose to take up the responsibility himself than pass it on to others. Thirdly, who the hell wants a century when his 93 can win us the Test at Perth (By the way Perth is in Australia not in India, also how many did Sachin score in that match), his 81 can win us the First Test series in West Indies in 37 years

  • US_Indian on June 24, 2011, 17:35 GMT

    Good to see finally Harsha writing a column about Dravid because he is tired of writing about Sachin and some other Mumbaikars or it has become a necessity, anyway better late than never....Harsha. In my opinion writers, commentators and judiciary should be neutral and unfortunately I find the triumvirate of Sunny, Shastri, Harsha missing that point and go to any extent to gloat about even an ordinary performance by their favorite son Sachin or other mumbaikars like Rohits and Rahane's, but who never gave due to credit players from other parts of India specially to south indians. Any way Dravid or Laxman or Kumble doesnot need any Harsha or Sunny or Shastri to give them a certificate because the whole world knows about them and praises them and like them including opposing teams and captains.

  • on June 24, 2011, 17:29 GMT

    the most formidable wall of India, one of the best technically batsman ever! gr8 innings!!

  • punidan on June 24, 2011, 17:24 GMT

    Great conclusion to a superb article. Gavaskar (1), Dravid (3), Tendulkar (4)...that might make the World XI in many books!

  • Aussasinator on June 24, 2011, 17:21 GMT

    It's a nicely written piece, but I loved the way you summed up the situation in the last line Harsha :) Only thing you have to clarify is whether 1 is Sunil Gavaskar or Sehwag? I think it's Gavaskar you meant or was it Sehwag? Sehwag bats at No. 2 sometimes too. So safer to say Nos. 1,2, 3, & 4 will be simultaneously picked. Now if Laxman were to be the Fifth and you somehow manage to accomodate Gundappa Vishwanath, the Indian batting order is sealed for generations. Just shows the kind of heroes we have in batting!

  • on June 24, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    Great article Harsha. We must however remember Anil Kumble and his role after 2007 WC and Dravid's fight with Vengsarkar. Kumble kept supporting Dravid esp. after his failures against England & Pakistan and he got 93 at Perth & we had a famous victory. I hope his South Africa failures are behind and he gets a 200 in WI or in England

  • on June 24, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    Last line is the killer...I assume- Sunny (1), Rahul (3) and SRT (4). We have been lucky to be witnessing the Golden age of Indian Cricket, where we win more matches than we lose. Welcome to the New India!!

  • vparisa on June 24, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    @Vadlamudi_sp, there will be use when we have bad days and get out for 76 in 20 overs. Sehwag is good but i would pick Sunny G over him in test matches without a doubt. 1 is always Sunny, 3. Dravid 4. SRT

  • urs_kam on June 24, 2011, 17:12 GMT

    Very well crafted century when it is needed by from him..!! He always inspires me as a cricketer with his hard-work and determination. This is a very good chance for the youngsters like Kohli, Raina to bat alongside with him and understand how he builds his innings and waits for the boundary ball. "Impatience is the hallmark of youth, and while Dravid has been young in years, he has always sported a maturity that belies them" --> Well said Harsha..!! When Raina said he has not scored a run for 15 balls at once in the first innings, it tells us how impatient these youngsters are...And on the other side Dravid did not attempt a pull shot till he reaches 98 though there are so many start balls...! He is undoubtedly the best ever No 3 batsman in INDIA..!!

  • on June 24, 2011, 17:05 GMT

    Yes he should be definitely honored with the " Legends of Cricket" icon. An all time great but unlike other greats he claims nothing for himself. Patience is virtue and Dravid is that virtue personified.

  • SS33 on June 24, 2011, 16:54 GMT

    Harsha means batting positions. 1. Gavaskar 3. Dravid 4. Tendulkar

    Posted by on (June 24 2011, 15:33 PM GMT) Sachin(1)..Rahul(3)...Laxman(4)

  • on June 24, 2011, 16:42 GMT

    1.gavaskar2.viru,3.dravid,4.sachin,5.ganguly 6.laxman 7.dhoni 8.kapil 9.harbhajan,10.kumble 11.zaheer.

    this should be it. i hope....

  • denza on June 24, 2011, 16:33 GMT

    JUST A SIMPLE OLD SAYING, " WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH, THE TOUGH GE GOING"

  • on June 24, 2011, 16:31 GMT

    I think he meant Gavaskar(1) .. Dravid(3) and Sachin(4) We can add Laxman (5) to it ..

    Remember he said all time ....

  • cricarch on June 24, 2011, 16:30 GMT

    I really wish Rahul has a Triple Ton on his resume before he retires. That's the only thing he is missing amongst all greatness.

  • on June 24, 2011, 16:25 GMT

    I believe apart from .. 1(Sunny) .. 3(Dravid) .. and 4 (Sachin) ... No.2 is also sealed and that is Sehwag ... Infact whenever Sehwag retires .. there would a huge debate on who was the greatest match winner batsman ever for India ... and the answer invariably would be none other than Sehwag !! So Mr. Bhogle .. I think u must reconsider .. on including No.2 as well !!

  • nlambda on June 24, 2011, 16:17 GMT

    Am looking forward to him overtaking Ponting's 12,363 by the end of this series and becoming #2 in the run charts. When he debuted I thought this guy is good, if he works hard he will end up with 6,000 test runs. Don't think anyone imagined he would end up doubling that figure and going 2K past Gavaskar...

  • on June 24, 2011, 16:09 GMT

    rahul dravid is a "cricketer" in the most glorious sense of the word. looking forward to him being a great statesman for indian cricket when he hangs up his boots (after he is done educating the youngsters on what it means to be a cricketer).

  • g.jeevan05 on June 24, 2011, 15:45 GMT

    Dravid all the way!!!!!!!

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:36 GMT

    He will stand in worlds best 5 definitely ..............superen cb cricketer and he must be given chance even in ODI

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:36 GMT

    its situations like these when we appreciate the beauty of TYPICAL DRAVID INNING. i think this will quiten down his critics for next match and "t-20 fanboys" for a few moments as well....life is so hard for a Dravid

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:33 GMT

    Sachin(1)..Rahul(3)...Laxman(4)

  • Alexk400 on June 24, 2011, 15:33 GMT

    Greatest Test batsman ever!.

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:26 GMT

    Nice one Harsha! Dravid is one of my favourite cricketers and is an excellent ambassador for the game and for the country. Quite often he has come in very early and steadied the ship. Welcome back Dravid! On a pitch of varying bounce and turn, he stood out. Regarding Harsha's last line, perhaps we can add Nos.2, 5,6 and 7 too...Sehwag, Laxman, Kapil and Dhoni..

  • Nutts on June 24, 2011, 15:25 GMT

    The last line is a killer line. I just hope that No 1 slot is for Viru and not Sunny. No disrespect meant to Sunny though.

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:18 GMT

    I am sorry to spoil the party of those basking in the Dravid century. It is a phenomenal effort no doubt. But Dravid is way beyond exit time. He is certainly blocking the way for one of the numerous youngsters who need time for grooming. Whoever is going to replace Dravid cannot set the world on fire immediately. He is going to take time. India is in danger of losing the middle order trio in one shot, whenever that is going to happen unless it is going to be properly phased out. For ex: Dravid to go first, then tendulkar and finally Laxman. Lets face it Dravid has nothing to prove. He is arguably the best Indian test player abroad in the last 15 years and "The Most" reliable middle order player ever since he started his test career. Time to go Dravid without any feelings. Be assured of the fact that any true Indian cricket lover will always cherish your achievements forever.

  • Saxo on June 24, 2011, 14:52 GMT

    Well you need to know that whenever an all time Indian XI is picked, 1, 2, 3, and 4 are written simultaneously right after Kapil:)

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:52 GMT

    @Ravishankar Ullal: Harsha Bhogle is from HYD!

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:51 GMT

    Dear Cricinfo.. I have read so many articles about the wall in this website.. Laxman's 275 in the historic Kolkata test against australia could not have been possible if Rahul was not on the other end..

    Dravid has a world record of being part of highest number of 3 digit partnerships..

    What else you need from him to give him the "Legends of Cricket" icon ?

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:48 GMT

    I seriously feel bad for dravid... i may sound repetitive but cant save it... He the man has been serving his country, our country with so much hardwork, passion and grace and never asked for recognition. I feel realy bad for him. To me, he is like the kid in a housing soceity who earns by giving tutions to juniors and runs his life. There i feel like having quota system for reward, respect and recognition when it comes to sheer performance. He is the Pole star of cricket :)

  • Sky-Walker on June 24, 2011, 14:42 GMT

    Dear you are the Best ! Where do you get these great lines?

    Still very out of place in the Kingfisher jingle Courteous than those I seemed to run into at the ground Ego and anger are like cholesterol and sugar in the blood; eventually they will get you. Nos. 1, 3 and 4 will be written simultaneously.

    These are indeed great lines (cricketing literature!) . Please keep writing. Are you reacted to K N Prabhu !

    Cheers!

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:42 GMT

    1. Sunny 2. Sehwag 3. Dravid 4. Sachin 5. Laxman 6. Vengsarkar 7. Dev 8. Dhoni 9. Kumble 10. Srinath 11. Prasanna

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:31 GMT

    Dravid is an all time great!!!...

  • Vadlamudi_sp on June 24, 2011, 14:29 GMT

    probably 1,3 and 4 would be sehwag, dravid and the master.....There is no use if one stays at the crease for 4 days and scores 100(I,m talking about gavaskar)

  • prakash_mishra on June 24, 2011, 14:27 GMT

    These days pitches all around the world are prepared in favor to batsmen rather than bowlers, so that teams can make a decent score and viewers can enjoy flurry of boundaries and get worth of their money and time.Its moreover like a fast food restaurant where food is served within minutes but then the real flavor is lost somewhere but then who cares??? as long as its productive and efficient.The advent of T20 might have increased the viewership coz along comes glam n' masala.But then cricket seems to have lost its real flavor.Dravid used to play long and tiresome innings in those conditions against best of the bowlers.he has scored more than 10,000 runs in both format which itself speaks for his levels and that too in volumes.Dravid has displayed class,has kept that old book of cricket close to his heart and when u r tired of those Macs and KFCs,all u wish for is some good home traditional food by mom.Watching Dravid playing reminds of that flavour which is otherwise rarity these days.

  • dilanz51 on June 24, 2011, 14:25 GMT

    Dravid is the most boring batsman of all time. I would rather watch Tatenda Taibu bat.

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:20 GMT

    Cant stop writing again on the same article. Great to see so many comments on the article and a deep pleasure to know that people still like the way Dravid plays the game and continue to enjoy it. Harsha special thanks to you for your article on the subject. Please keep writing.

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:16 GMT

    sunil, sehwag, rahul, sachin

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:02 GMT

    Rahul Dravid is the true Gentleman Cricketer of our era, apart from Sachin and Laxman at the time when every other cricketer (including Indian) are not playing the game in its true spirit. The greatness of a person can be assessed from the way he present himself during all time. In last fifteen years of his playing tenure, i never seen or heard any thing from him against anybody or anybody against him. The incident of declaring the innings when Sachin was playing on 190 odd runs against Pakistan and taking too much for completing the double century, speaks volume of his courage to take decisions for team welfare ahead of personal landmarks even if it is of " Sachin the Great". The recent century against West indies is again a reminder for all cricket lovers that we are not going to see again the greats of Indian cricket for a long long time once the threesome of Sachin, Laxman and Dravid will call it a day. Dravid you rock, and please continue to play for our pleasure, as we love u.

  • getgopi on June 24, 2011, 14:00 GMT

    @indianpunter This article is about Dravid the person. Yeah, he had a long run of bad form a year ago but the recent innings he played in WI not to mention his contribution as a opener for the Royals in an entirely different format of the game contain valuable lessons for those other players who are keen to learn. As Harsha mentioned, its up to the Sharmas and Kohlis as to what they observe and learn while Dravid is still around.

  • on June 24, 2011, 13:52 GMT

    Harsha's guarded praise of Dravid is in keeping with mumbai tradition of less than wholesome praise for sportsmen outside the elite mumbai manoos circle. Ofcourse anybody whom Tendulkar fancies, as bhajji, will get unqualified praise and showered with unknown and unachievable skills sets. Read harsha's last article. To even state that harbhajan is capable of greatness is to devalue the word that went out of Bhajji's dictionary after 2001. Sychophancy and business relationships with the powers that be in Indian cricket has ensured that Bhajji will remain in the team as long as cricket is played. Imagine a pitch that turns square and bhajji gets a couple of tailend wickets. I am dying to read Harsha's comments.

  • sameer111111 on June 24, 2011, 13:51 GMT

    Undoubtedly the greatest batsman India has produced along with Gavaskar. He has been behind most of the greatest Indian victories, specially overseas

  • inswing on June 24, 2011, 13:49 GMT

    Dravid, the underappreciated giant. Always in the shadow of SRT, but his contributions have been no less valuable. Most unselfish of the players, willing to do anything that the team requires. His value in ODIs is even less appreciated. He save India in ODIs countless times, being the rock on which the team could survive and grow. Wish they make more like him.

  • Wall_Master_Specialist on June 24, 2011, 13:42 GMT

    Can anyone tell me, did Mr.Wall lose his temper?. Never, even in his bad days. What a gentleman and great cricketer

  • on June 24, 2011, 13:31 GMT

    the real wall is here......

  • on June 24, 2011, 13:30 GMT

    Harsha..you rock man....what a statement yaar,that last one,,,,feelng so gud that u wrote it....What he has done for Indian cricket is superb....No praise is enuf for Rahul Dravid n people must realise his value....Very obviously he s not peakng anymore but still he has got lots to offer,,m such a huge fan of Rahul Dravid,what he has achievd is superb,,,,No matter what happens,,who leaves n who stays,,but whenvr india's top 5 batsmn r picked,,Rahul Dravid will always find a place for himself.

  • on June 24, 2011, 13:06 GMT

    wel said..Harsha. dis guy truly deserves big words.. Dravid has been a remarkeble cricketer over d years..i must say a truly World Class talent india has ever produced. though hez been alwys underrated by d media..n dats because hez playing under d shadow of great SACHIN.. hope he gets more attention frm nw on. ders people who switch off tv sets wen dravid is batting. i rate dos people a tesless cricket fans..who doesnt knw d real taste of a batting..HATSS OFF to u Dravid..

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:54 GMT

    Excellent article by Harsha. Dravid is perhaps the best batsman Indian have ever produced. One of the important factor, Cricket is a team game. Though there are / were many individually brilliant cricketers, in a Team game, Dravid's strength is covering the weakness of the batting line-up at 3 most crucial position in Test cricket for more than 15 years. Entire batting line up rallied around him. Again very modest, matured and hardworking. Now with the popularity of shorter version, Dravid may be the last in Test Cricket have the capability to play for 2 or 3 days.

  • nishesh.04 on June 24, 2011, 12:51 GMT

    All the youngsters like Virat, Rohit, Chiteshwar and Suresh should learn from him that apart from flamboyance, good composure and cool head is a must if you think of excelling in Test matches.

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:46 GMT

    Sunil (1), Rahul(3) & Sachin(4)!

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:43 GMT

    WOW......what an article......dravid<3......he works sooo hard and a loyal servant to indian cricket.....:) cmon dravid KEEP going......:D

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:36 GMT

    @AB99 he didn't have any choice abt the chappell issue at all ? chappell came during the saurav era and well , tht whole issue , i'm not blaming anyone cos i dunno wht happened exactly , but tht thing destroyed the unity of the entire team, dravid just couldn't handle it, it was tough , there were many politics in the team itself during tht period and tht's one reason dravid quit the captaincy post immediately after the wc, but yeah since tht psychological problem happened dravid went through a very low patch but then with sheer dedication he wanted to fight back and he did it well, still has to improve on the consistency basis but he's giving a fight so lets respect it :)

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:30 GMT

    wat abt dada,,,, also who is no.1

    ???

  • fahad.noor on June 24, 2011, 12:17 GMT

    After all his contribution to Indian cricket i am very sure that he will not get his due. That is very shameful for Indian cricket. How could people compare pujara, raina, rohit or kholi with him? Yes they are good but not good enough to be compared with The Wall.

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:03 GMT

    I believe 1,3 and 4 stands Gavaskar,Dravid and Sachin..

  • athar.cricket on June 24, 2011, 11:58 GMT

    why you all count his age as long he is fit he can extend his career by another 5 years.he is fitter than tendulkar when asked about the future of tendulkar every commentator says he has more cricket left in him.dravid is just 4 months elder to tendulkar.and in my view and opinion he should be selected for one day internationals also.he should be given the same respect that is given to tendulkar.

  • Shallai on June 24, 2011, 11:57 GMT

    Best article I have read in recent times on Dravid. Best line is " But what I do know is that whenever an all-time Indian XI gets picked, Nos. 1, 3 and 4 will be written simultaneously".... Thanks Harsha

  • on June 24, 2011, 11:56 GMT

    The Great wall of India! A legend and an example to all cricketers.

  • duba on June 24, 2011, 11:51 GMT

    1 position - Gavaskar or sehwag???

  • AB99 on June 24, 2011, 11:44 GMT

    Headingly, Adeilade, Pakistan, New Zealand, Sabina(2007), Sabina (2011) - Class is permanent, form is temporary. RD has been to Indian Cricket what RD has been to Indian music. The only abberation has been the fact he tagged Greg Chappell to given Indian cricket its worst period on the past 40 years and Rahul Dravid cannot escape it. That he is a batting legend is a fact, but the is a team man is a questionable thing ....

  • wnwn on June 24, 2011, 11:40 GMT

    This guy could seriously carry on playing until he's 45. He still has the fitness, ability and desire to perform at the highest level.

  • on June 24, 2011, 11:32 GMT

    Rahul Dravid has always performed well when Team India in crisis. He has truely been a WALL between India and opposition. We have criticized him a lot during his performance in IPL, but the fact is Rahul has relentlessly served our country for 15 years. Thank you RD

  • Shine77 on June 24, 2011, 11:26 GMT

    Neat article Harsha. But tell me one thing, can we get another Dravid? I doubt. Can we get a man who takes the game so seriously and provides justice to the game with all care and performance? I doubt. It scares me and make me sad to see the day of RSD hanging his willow. I would cannot take that pain. I really cannot even imagine that pain. He is just 2000 runs short of what Sachin has achieved in 20 years. If he had age, and if his body supports to play the game, I am very sure, he can surpass SRT''s test records. Look at his performances. Out of his 32 centuries, just 1 century went in vain. Whereas the other 31 centuries went for either a draw or a win!!!! How else a player's caliber can be measured?? In spite of that, people hate him to see on the ground. I feel for that man. How he must feel even after serving the country with high success rate.

    All I can say is, may the good Lord grant him all the good thing for the rest of the life.

    Regards, Shine

  • Ellis on June 24, 2011, 11:17 GMT

    A well written tribute to a gracious gentleman and a great batsman. No fuss, no muss, just get the job done. Dravid's innings against the West Indies in the recently concluded Test, is a textbook example of how to build an innings and sustain it. Class, concentration, and clarity of purpose, are the hallmarks of an innings by him. A rare talent and an example to all cricketers.

  • on June 24, 2011, 11:16 GMT

    I am very delighted as most of the true cricketing fans on seeing Rahul Dravid answering calls for his dropping from the test team with with his wide bat not with verbals or through the mouth of politicians (Simon Katich).It showed his courage anbd determination and his tenacity to claw out of a difficult situation. People who were baying for his blood can now see that succes in the IPL could not gurantee at the highest level. Players like Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma may be IPL specialists but they have a long long way to go to prove their credibility.COME ON RAHUL WE WANT MORE ........GOOD LUCK FOR BARBADOS

  • on June 24, 2011, 11:16 GMT

    1, 2, 3 and 4, I would think. That is a stellar first four :-o

  • on June 24, 2011, 11:02 GMT

    @indianpunter stats doesn't show mny of the things my friends yes he may not have a scored a century in so or so innings , his lowest phase was certainly in the yr 2007 , he had to go through many things u couldn't even imagine, but he fought back hard against england in 2008 fought hard again in many more innings, tht's the hallmark of a champion not only fighting for his place, but fighting for the team, he himselve confessed tht he'd not be disappointedif he was dropped (during the eng series in 08) cos he was short of runs, and btw after 2007 too we had very few away series too so lets not run to conclusions always, let him play he knows he's not very far from calling it a day , so let him enjoy these gud moments and lets hope the youth learn from him , we certainly would miss him if he leaves :) he's very well needed in trying england and australian conditions so pls :) ty and if he's in gud form why not take him to aus ?? comeon hoping u'd understand

  • on June 24, 2011, 10:57 GMT

    What a brilliant article , esp those last lines it just sums it up , i mean even though he's not at his peakbut he still manages to get indian some valuable runs. now tht's whts important when it matters, ater 2006 he went through a psychological challenge thanks to the then bcci pres vengsarkar and then almost ending his gud but since 2008-09 he's trying to come out of tht shell and he looks to be more positive and this yr in the ipl too he looked relaxed and seemed to be enjoying his batting , so hoping he'd continue for as long as he's in gud form cos if he's in the team well the current new lot of players could learn a lot too, i mean his lessons on being able to grit ur teeth for abt 8-10 iovers during fierce bowling spells was a gr8 lesson too, proud to have players like him in the team who sacrifice simply everything for the team :) hats off dravid :) hoping u'd carry ur form into the next 2 matches

  • on June 24, 2011, 10:55 GMT

    conclusion!!! :D awesome!!!!!!!!!

  • jsikarwar on June 24, 2011, 10:44 GMT

    no2 is also now etched in stone - virender shewag - to complete THE top 4 for india: Gavaskar, Shewag, Dravid, Tendulkar

  • on June 24, 2011, 10:43 GMT

    Rahul is a such a big inspiration for all the youngsters in the team..They are truly blessed to be around the likes of Sachin,laxman. But i kind of disagree with Harsha on his last statement "But what I do know is that whenever an all-time Indian XI gets picked, Nos. 1, 3 and 4 will be written simultaneously."

    I think all time india test XI 1,2,3,4 will be sachin,sehwag,dravid,laxman. :)

  • on June 24, 2011, 10:30 GMT

    It is a decent article on a gentle cricketer who is embodiment of dedication,skill& fitness To put records straight as regards the aggression or lack of it from Dravid. he raises to the situation There are countless one-day innings against Eng/Pak/NZ/SL in which he lifted the strike rate It is amusing to read about strike rate in this 5-day test. Dravid as his wont built it brick by brick This Century made even a disgraceful Dravid basher like Indian_Punter to admire grudgingly For style none can match his wristy on drive or square cut Do not indulge in comparison between greats like Sachin/ Sewag / Laksman. Each has his own stlyle Sewag ,though easily one of the best openers of all time was never Mr.Dependable;Sachin & Dravid always had intense focus I never remember an innings when Dravid threw away his wicket. Back up the greats when they are not at their best Unfortunately the media failed to do this for Dravid On or off the field,Rahul , you have grace written all over it

  • sarasank on June 24, 2011, 10:20 GMT

    Harsha, as always, you have put things in true perspective. I relished reading yours on Rahul Dravid as much you would have felt penning the same - some of your candid statements about Dravid literally brought tears in my eyes. Sportsmen of the genre of Rahul are scarce. He has always strived for class and achieved great success by dint of dedication and character. Right from the day he entered the test arena, he has remained a no non-sense and modest individual on & off the field. What has always amazed me is his simplicity and an attitude to see good in everything and everybody. It may not be an over statement if I could add that Rahul Dravid is the one sportsman at this highest level who commands greater respect both as an individual & a cricketer.

  • on June 24, 2011, 10:12 GMT

    Dravid is by far India's best best batsman ever. He is only rivaled by VVS Laxman. About fifty percent of Dravid's 32 test match centuries have contributed to test match wins for India. And, as far as I am concerned, 'WINS IN A TEAM SPORT ARE THE ONLY RECORDS THAT'S WORTH HAVING'!

  • on June 24, 2011, 10:10 GMT

    I have been Rahul fan since 1996. and till date i am this true fan. He has inspired me, for my personal life too. this perseverance, determination, and hardwork, has taught me a lesson. though i am nt successful in life, but i am in the path with these qualities, inducted from him.. i am proud to be a fan of u rahul...

  • prakash_mishra on June 24, 2011, 10:10 GMT

    Its good to see a column from harsha talking about Dravid. His inning was the only reason India cud win the test match at kingston. He has been criticized by many saying that his style of game doesn't suit modern cricket and blah blah.I don't think the likes of Pujara, Kohli and raina can ever match what Dravid has done in all these years.The elegant drives,occasional cuts, Defence as solid as Rock.There are very few viewers left in the world who understand the real beauty of the game.The likes of Pollard, Pathan, Sehwag and gayle are admired coz these guys are capable of giving quick results but the likes of Dravid are example of perseverance. The last man who keeps fighting and that too with style.I feel Dravid should be part of ODI team too coz i remember few innings where he scored pretty quickly in the slog overs.He could be well utilized at no.3, no.4 or no.5 in shorter format. and people compare Badrinath, Kohli and Pujara with dravid, go get some brains guys!!!

  • somalmighty_UK on June 24, 2011, 9:48 GMT

    I have always admired and appreciated the contribution of the Indian Fab Four...Sachin/Rahul/Sourav/Laxman from the batting point of view....Those were the golden era of Indian cricket....Now India is No.1 and reaping the rich benefits...But boy was it exciting watching this FAV FOUR duel against some of the famous bowlers in World Cricket...Warne/Murali/Saqlain/Mc. Grath/Gillespie/Wasim/Waqar/Shoaib/Allan Donald/Walsh/Ambrose/Flintoff/Kallis/Pollock/Vaas etc...I genuinely feel that the bowling standards have gone down nowadays....No team is invincible...India is No.1 because they have done well compared to the rest...Even I have not enjoyed the part when India lifted the WC so much as I enjoyed the Indian team winning 8 matches in the trott in 2003 WC...Fast and bouncy....I still remember the joy it brought when I saw the six from sachin's bat against shoaib...India deserved the 2003 WC...I miss those days..Those were the best days of my life involving cricket...

  • alexczarn on June 24, 2011, 9:34 GMT

    He is just one of the al ltime greats and one Indian player along with Tendulkar for my favourites!

  • on June 24, 2011, 9:22 GMT

    Nice Article About Indian Wall!!!!!!!!thanks to Harsha!!!!!!

  • on June 24, 2011, 9:19 GMT

    Coming back on couple of things, the slot 5 will be debatable considering that you have Vishy & VVS competing for this because they have been great match saviours.The other spot which surely can be filled without debate is 6 Kapil Dev,India's greatest all rounder. Moreover Dravid finding form early this season is very important for India with the most important away tours in the history of Indian cricket with England and Australia.if India needs to retain No 1 position to 2012. Dravid will be the man to look unto for handling the likes of Tremlett

  • Quazar on June 24, 2011, 9:04 GMT

    Indian cricket has been extremely blessed to have a player and a man like Rahul Dravid! Wonderful to see him return to the fore. Hopefully the year ahead holds more good times for him. A man like him certainly deserves it.

  • Quazar on June 24, 2011, 8:59 GMT

    @Vemb, why must folks like you make snide remarks about 1 great to praise another great? 50th Test hundred and 15,000 runs (if and when) are not "mere personal landmarks"... they are achievements of Indian cricket, and inspirational heights for future young Indian and world cricketers. And great batsmen fight and score for their teams no matter the state / flow of the game... they don't say "we're going to lose this match, so I don't need to score" or "looks like we might win, so let me score"... they just try to score hoping that their team will pull through in the end. One man's 100 isn't enough to win a game... you need a collection of vital efforts (like Raina, Bhajji, Kumar, RD and Ishant in this game) from the team to win. And players who are not "team-men" will never get carried around on their teammates shoulders.

  • Vijay_MatchWinner on June 24, 2011, 8:42 GMT

    Rahul Dravid *RESPECT*! What an innings he played when everyone got out so soon. Such grit, determination and patience are few of the qualities we need to learn from this great man! Well played Jammy. Proud of you!

    Aren't we lucky to witness and see the games of greats in a same team. England series will be more interesting with Viru, Gambhir, Sachin and Zak coming in. Invincible team.

  • cricconnossieur on June 24, 2011, 8:33 GMT

    Bravo Harsha ! You are born to write eulogies , you should be writing biographies. One area that you have barely alluded to was the period when he was not making runs , getting dismissed by left-armers-chasing -deliveries wide off stump, dropping sitters at slip. Would've been interesting to know what Dravid was going through then. Dravid is akin to that insurance man, whom we dont exactly relish, but realise and respect his indispensibility !

  • on June 24, 2011, 8:26 GMT

    Nothing can keep us awake till early morning but to watch Rahul Dravid crafting yet another test innings, like he did in Sabina. That sight of Lord's before 15 years from now is still fresh in my mind, though i was too young to truly love test cricket, yet the fact remains that the immense love of test cricket has come only after Rahul Dravid started playing it! Truly The great, others might keep fishing for kings, but Rahul Dravid is and will be a King.

  • True_Indian_Fan on June 24, 2011, 8:19 GMT

    Brilliant article Harsha. "But what I do know is that whenever an all-time Indian XI gets picked, Nos. 1, 3 and 4 will be written simultaneously. " Couldn't have said it better, for me it is an honor and privilege to have witnessed Dravid's career in my eyes. The epitome of batting, makes me enjoy Test cricket. I cannot imagine watching cricket the same way after Dravid'd gone. But, while he is here and serving cricket and entertaining all of us, it is a dream come true for us.

  • mPorselvan on June 24, 2011, 8:12 GMT

    Virat Kohli is the one who has all chances to become next dravid. The attitude he showed with Edwards in this test match is something hard to find in youngsters.

  • on June 24, 2011, 8:07 GMT

    dravid is a media shy guy....but his proven ability to score on turning n bouncy pitches alike separates him from the crowd...text book cricket to the core

  • Farce-Follower on June 24, 2011, 8:02 GMT

    @D.Sarma : Bingo. Dravid and Sehwag are indeed the most special of batsman. In fact, for both, condition of pitch does not matter. For Sehwag, condition of match also does not matter.

  • on June 24, 2011, 7:59 GMT

    @IndianPunter I second your thoughts.Its actually his first match winning innings in 5 years courtesy a regulation drop by Sammy and he has been pretty inconsistent rest of the time.Its his past pedigree which was keeping him alive in the team.The same was with Tendulkar in 2005-2006 and Michael Hussey now.Its quite funny that some Indian fans are crying for Ponting's head but were oblivious to Dravid's inconsistencies.The fact is a lucky hundred in Mohali against England in 2008 saved his career.We had a real chance to groom someone at that time and wouldn't have faced the prospect of the retirement of the 3 legends in a space of a year or so.Youngsters will only learn under the auspices of experienced players.Dravid can still win us a a test here and there but most of us then will be missing the woods for the trees.Selector should have some succession plan in mind or else I can think of the Indian team going the Australian way.

  • nagc on June 24, 2011, 7:57 GMT

    Totally agree with "Gururavi28" wrong thing he did s he born in d same era as Sachin .

    A True Gentleman and right icon for so called "Gentleman's Game"........ truly Legend...

  • Vemb on June 24, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    What separates him from the others named though is..he is totally & ONLY a 'team man'. One who will give up a personal landmark in the team's interest. Not for him the 50th Test Century or the 15000th Test run; what's more important is that Team India succeeds.This is his constant philosophy, whether he be Captain or not. Little surprise then that when Dravid performs, India Wins; his centuries or indeed his 50+ scores have led to India Wins.....never are they mere personal landmarks!

  • on June 24, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    Nos, 1, 3, 4, and 5/6 (Kapil Dev) 8/9 (Anil Kumble) :)

  • on June 24, 2011, 7:48 GMT

    Excellent article Hasha. Just a tiny bit of nitpicking with the last sentence. it should say 1,2,3 and 4 ill be written simultaneously. I think Sehwag has done enough in Test cricket to lay the claim to the 2nd best Indian opener if not the best. (In fact I was tempted to be slightly cheeky and say that Gavaskar has done enough to be considered a great instead of Sehwag)

  • on June 24, 2011, 7:45 GMT

    Who ever is saying his form has not been good overseas in past 3 years, need to know that he was the main contributor behind india's away wins in west indies in 2007 and also in india's away win in new zealand in 2009 with 4 50's of his 6 innings. People tend to hide facts and try to show such a great cricketer in bad light. None of indian youngsters will be able to score a 50 in newzealand. he was out of touch in SA and australia, but he scored 50 at perth the only test india won in OZ. So everyone just back off the LEGEND.

  • CricketMaan on June 24, 2011, 7:38 GMT

    is No.1 Sunny or Shewag? players who have proved beyond thier mettle in contrasting styles..if Sunny was epitome of batting with grace, elegance, footwork and boldness..Shewag is brash, aggressive, game changer and a Winner..what a difficult choice it must be or should we say 1,2,3,4,5 is fixed..its a long debate..for there is Vishwanath, Jaisimha et all...safe to say if we pick a mordern day XI then 1,2,3,4,5 pick themselves

  • on June 24, 2011, 7:37 GMT

    huh....we won't change..its a fact...first of all m a great fan of dravid and tendulkar both...i just want to point out one thing.....just a single hundred and we are praising sn much...n when he was not in form we were like cmon its high time for dravid and blah blah...let's all wait for ENGLISH SUMMER....dn forget dis hundred came under weaker opposition weaker bowlers....but yeah the pleasure of the innings was trying conditions....

  • ven562 on June 24, 2011, 7:35 GMT

    @CricFan78: Well my friend remember that Indian team became no.1 due to the contributions of every player (Which includes Rahul) and every player has bad times....even Sachin had it, look at his performance now. So respect his contribution and he is a cricket who comes back, that is what happened, also the best no.3 batsman for India ever, you cannot replace him so easily, remember that he got this hundred by coming into bat when the first wicket went down very early (Which means he almost opened). Sachin is a grt batsman it doesn't mean that he the only greatest batsman.

  • on June 24, 2011, 7:30 GMT

    Rarely encountered ego or anger. That statement speaks volumes of a person who inspite of having achieved so much in his career is so humble and down to earth. My dream was realized when I met him in Abu Dhabi where he came to play for MCC. He was so focussed on his practice and training sessions it was unbelievable. Those were the only moments (during practise) when he refused an autograph or a photo session otherwise he was very approachable and readily agreed to sign autographs and have pictures taken with him. A man of very few words as he spoke little but always let his art do the talking. Here also he did the same by scoring a hundred in the second session. A perfect role model for generation next who have so many diversions around them. Thanks Harsha for this wonderful article.

  • on June 24, 2011, 6:58 GMT

    I don't know how much longer he will play for India, for by the time he plays at Lord's next, he will be closer to 39 than 38. But what I do know is that whenever an all-time Indian XI gets picked, Nos. 1, 3 and 4 will be written simultaneously.

  • Rajesh. on June 24, 2011, 6:48 GMT

    Rahul Dravid's contribution to cricket has been colossal. India's best batsman overseas, period !! Not just Nos. 1, 3 & 4 even # 5 would be written simultaneously........ Because VVS Laxman is no less than the other !! There would never be another line that would have batsman of the caliber of Dravid, Tendulkar & Laxman following each other in the batting order....

  • indianpunter on June 24, 2011, 6:41 GMT

    for all the Dravid fans out there. Facts and stats dont lie. Team India was doing well and therefore could afford to 'carry' Dravid for 5 yrs. I have been saying on this forum for some time what S Rajesh has put so succinctly on this site today. No hundred for 47 innings and an overseas average of 29!! !! amazing that people would still vouch for him. It was a good hundred in trying conditions, but one swallow doesnt make a summer and i would await his English test under more trying conditions. Either way, i dont think a 39 yr old dravid should be taken to australia.

  • on June 24, 2011, 6:41 GMT

    His 200 at adelade resulted in win, his 200 at headingly in 02 resulted in win, his 100 at trent bridge helped india saving the match in 02, his hundred at multan set the tone along with his declaration at right time to win in Pakistan where no indian captain has won... his hundreds against Aussies at home and away, his fantastic record against windes is awesome, his record against poms is awesome , what else one can ask from the man....i guess our stupid media can give him the credit which he richly deserves...like there wont be any SRT once he retires, similarly there wont be any WALL again for India once Dravid hangs his boots....respect respect n respect for this man

  • amirhamzas on June 24, 2011, 6:38 GMT

    Wow! I had goosebumps by the end of it!!

  • Gururavi28 on June 24, 2011, 6:37 GMT

    yes.. harsha !!! most underrated ever in India.. wrong thing he did s he born in d same era as Sachin !!!! True legend of the game :):):)

  • Narbavi on June 24, 2011, 6:32 GMT

    undoubtedly india's greatest match winner.....sachin fans should digest this fact....the stats show that!! nice one harsha...

  • D.Sharma on June 24, 2011, 6:21 GMT

    I'm going to put this out there...Dravid along with Sehwag will be the two hardest batsmen to replace because they represent the two extremes of batting. Everyone else is just inbetween.

  • vinjoy on June 24, 2011, 6:18 GMT

    I would say that Dravid is the last *Gentleman Cricketer* in the world. Those who stole limelight in IPL (IPL XI) should be given a chance to play a test match at Lords, Perth, Johannesburg, Hamilton or an Kingston and then we shall see what their cricketing skills are. And the same people often forget that Dravid was the most consistent (and hence top-scorer) in the RR team as well. Pity that he is not playing the ODIs due to sick-minded politics. Dravid is the God of test cricket, the most humble, dedicated, selfless, purist, and traditional cricketer. God give him strength to continue delighting the purists like me. Amen

  • on June 24, 2011, 6:12 GMT

    Excellent article on an excellent cricketer. But I am not sure who can replace him and be India's next number 3. Maybe a more mature Virat?

  • hari.pes100 on June 24, 2011, 6:10 GMT

    @Rahul Chandar Also don't forget no. 6 and 7, our own Very Very Special Laxman and Kapil paaji

  • muski on June 24, 2011, 6:06 GMT

    Harsha- As a guy who has watched Rahul right from his SJCC days in Blr, I cannot agree with you more. The Kohlis and the Raina's must have learnt a valuable lesson when they saw the "Concrete Wall" battle it out for his 32nd hundred. Lets pray and hope that it stands them in good stead in times to come. More than anybody, Dravid will heave a sign of relief that he will be on the plane to England not as a passenger, but as the saviour of the Indian team. There is no doubt that all his batting skills will be required in plenty in the two important tours ahead this year. When the baton eventually passes on, only memories will linger about this wonderful sportsman who has bought immense joy to all "true" cricket lovers the world over.

  • mittalanuj on June 24, 2011, 6:01 GMT

    First My congratulations to Mr. Harsha for writing such a wonderful book 'The Winning Way'.An inspiring and infectious reading.. Your article on Talent vs Perseverance was awesome...... Big Kudos.... Coming back to Rahul Dravid I would like to say that Dravid is the second of the most understate cricketer in Indian Cricket after Anil Kumble. Dravid's place in Indian cricket is registered but still with couple of failure everytimes people start asking for his head. Yet he remains cool, undisturbed and balanced. I think this particular inning will help him to overcome his internal doubts and once again we will see solid performances before he retires.

  • snsp2 on June 24, 2011, 5:59 GMT

    AN excellent write-up. Dravid has been magnificent since 1996, out of 32 centuries, 31 have resulted in a winning cause, in spite of that he rarely gets any credit. Even people forget to wish him on his birthday not even TV channels. Common, Rahul I am with you and I CONGRATULATE you on 32 century.

  • BULTY on June 24, 2011, 5:57 GMT

    Harsha, another classic article from you, this time on one of my favourite cricketer. Yes, he along with Anil Kumble will make a pair of gentlemen cricketers which India can be proud of as long as cricket is played in India or elsewhere in the world. Your remark on the Kingfisher is very correct. I had also felt he is a misfit for that ad. Now coming to his performance in Test matches. When other age-ing cricketers are hanging their boots for Test matches and concentrating on ODI or T20s to extend their career, Dravid is an exception, who is 100% cut out for the Test match scenario. He must be preserved for Test matches. His latest knock at Sabina Park is an abject study of how to construct Test innings and in the final analysis, the 60 odd runs he added with number 10 & 11 batsmen became very crucial. Score centuries & win matches and not otherwise. We pray he keeps his fitness to play knocks like these for India in test matches.

  • cricslave on June 24, 2011, 5:52 GMT

    What on earth can be as humble & patient as this guy?.. Seriously.. i would wake up at mid night and will feel blessed to watch him play 250 odd balls for his hundred.i agree your part of the article comparing viru, the master and the wall.. youngsters like virat and raina should try to learn the art of what dravid said as "withstanding the strom".. i wish him all the best for his english tour.. probbaly his last stance at lords

  • Sarthak_Shah on June 24, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    There is nothing more pleasurable to watch in Test cricket, than the sight of Dravid, pin-point elbow, still had, left foot to the pitch of the ball and bat coming down straight to Defend, while the shrewdest of ball rolls away rite on the pitch,harmlessly. Dravid is the epitome of Batsmanship. Any format of the game, he will always give you the same, time and again,thats the greatness of this man. There might be a din of T20 everywhere, but the fact was and will always remain, the craftsmanship of Legendary Batsmen, will have to be Bench-marked against Rahul Dravid!Always!

  • rtom on June 24, 2011, 5:49 GMT

    @ Dravid_Gravitas, i liked your statement " Cricket in it's purent form". Becasue of these countable numbers guys, i still love cricket. Some years back it was my passion as Sunny, GR, Jimmy,( and now tendulkar, Dravid )were almost the top notch crickets India produced. When i watch the video's of fearsome bowlers of that time, they still count sunny and vishy in the league of teh best ! Now Dravid, a masterclass. Sometime i fear that he came in the wrong time in cricket, just because he will be constantly in the shadows of tendulkar. But again he proved that his wicket has to be earned by the opposition. Its a lesson for all the young gungs of Indian team !! Hail Dravid.

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:48 GMT

    But what I do know is that whenever an all-time Indian XI gets picked, Nos. 1, 3 and 4 will be written simultaneously.

  • appu12 on June 24, 2011, 5:47 GMT

    Harsha, superb article.Wall always played for the team.be it keeping,batting down the order,short leg fielder.he has done everything for the team.the complete team player.this quality of WALL differentiates him from others.he is very soft guy off the field. "WHEN THE DOOR OF TEMPLE IS CLOSED EVEN THE GOD IS BEHIND THE WALL"

    KEEP GOING JAMMIE,hope u do well in ENG and AUS...keep entertaining us..

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:43 GMT

    Another gr8 the wall is really the perfect role model for the youngsters coming out of academy these days. The man has enormous patience and ability to take all the stones thrown at him and strengthen the wall by using it lol. Its been a gr8 pleasure watching him play hope he scores more centuries in next matches in windies and england.

  • raj17980 on June 24, 2011, 5:40 GMT

    Rahul Dravid may not be as swashbuckling as a Sehwag or as flambouyant as a Tendulkar or as elegant and stylish as a Laxman.He is gifted with a good technique and temperment.That allows him to quietly go about his business when teh others around him stakes claims and makes statements.I think Dravid has been one of the main reasons for the success India has enjoyed oversees and also becoming the No.1 test side in the world now.I was watching a news channel yesterday and saw him watching Sir Geoffrey Boycott while he was giving some tips.There were other younsters also in the clip but they were busy doing their things.For someone who has ahd success in International Cricket as he has watching and observing a person giving tips speaks volumes about his down to earth nature.I think this character has allowed him to succeed the way he has.A person who was labelled to be a test specialist scoring more than 10,000 runs in ODI's is true testament of the legend that he is.Hats of to you Dravid.

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:38 GMT

    Dravid's sacrifices for Indian cricket are immeasurable. He donned the wicketkeeping gloves for a good period of 3 years: for offering more stablity in the Indian line-up. His deeds are already part of a folklore. History will remember him as true epitome of selflessness and a gentleman cricketer.

  • ram_sachin on June 24, 2011, 5:37 GMT

    Kudos to Dravid !! What an unsung hero he is. Everyone talks of the Flamboyance of Sourav and Charismatic Dhoni. But this man is beyond words to be described. For simply he's a force unimaginable. His presence it self on the centre assures that the game is still ours. Lovely person with a equally good character. Thanks Harsha for writing a praiseworthy article on him. Loved it !!

  • Sukumar_Kantri on June 24, 2011, 5:32 GMT

    The Wall - Mr Dependable Rahul Sharad Dravid had proved it again that he is the man who can make Indian Criket Proud. His consistency is so great. Laxman's Style, Sachin's skill, Dravid's tempartment,Sehwag's agression, Gauti's Calmness, Dhoni's cool captaincy clubbed with Bhajji's breaks, Zak's attack had yeilded India the No 1 spot in Tests. Youngsters like Kohli,Rohit,Pujara need to learn a lot from Dravid,Laxman and Sachin to perform well in Test Matches!!!! Nice article by you harsha.. Thanks a lot!!!! Maintaining the same level of consistency and tempartment for more than a decade is highly appreciable thing and dravid proves himself once again...

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:31 GMT

    Harsha is just impeccable in using words for describing someone as big stature as Dravid, he has been the most methodical batsman ever, but above all that, the aspect which need to be highlighted for Dravid, which do set him apart from rest, is his commitment and putting his hand up for every responsibility out of his comfort zone. One player for whom I can keep my hand on heart and say "he has always given his 100% effort while executing the task, though he would have succeeded in a few". I completely agree with @Dravid_Gravitas, people like Dravid are rare and because they are so studious and because of their intense preparation they will succeed in any given profession. Even, his stint in cricket has not been easy. He fought his way through out, be it keeping wickets in ODI's, taking responsibility of 2007 world cup debacle and not resigning straightaway, he made sure he won in england and pass it on to someone in more friendly atmosphere. Dravid must be celebrated!!! thanks

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:30 GMT

    Thkz a lot for the article harsha. Dravid has been my role model since his debut. He has given everything to indian cricket. He is the doctor of cricket. Even the news channels were talking and showing the cameo from mishra. RD was as usual ignored. But his fans like me knows he doesnt play for such cheap publicity!!! A true gentleman who has always put country ahead of anything .. WALL ALWAYS STANDS TALL !!!!!

  • Pankaj_Thakur on June 24, 2011, 5:28 GMT

    Its very good written by Mr. Bhogle, every father would have dream, son should have like Rahul & Sachin, it was great inning & it helps India to win this match, even all player has been play well..... good dravid keep scoring runs and please always maintain the discipline as you always use to maintain....... all the best

  • MasterClass on June 24, 2011, 5:27 GMT

    Can't say I agree with the premise of the article. Certainly, who can disagree that Dravid is one of the most admirable and likable cricketers the game has ever seen? However, that isn't the main premise of the article, because that's not something that needs any sort of explanation or discussion. It's fact. The main premise is that the younger gen of cricketers should mold themselves like a Dravid. Sorry, I strongly disagree. Of course he has plenty to offer to the youngsters, and they would do well to listen and observe, but theirs is a different future. Or at least I hope so! The fans are not quite there yet, but the team is beginning to believe and show that they can win anytime, from any situation. There isn't the fear of losing, but rather a desire to win, to dominate. While a player like Dravid who can rescue India from the abyss will be useful, the more likely is the kind that can throw the opposition INTO the abyss. Of course we'll always cherish Dravid, the player & person!

  • cric-maestro on June 24, 2011, 5:26 GMT

    undoubtedly one of the very best batsman of all time......"In a way it is good that Dravid, VVS Laxman and Sachin Tendulkar have had an extended run".....Mr. Ian Chappell,,,u hearing that ??...

  • BhuvG on June 24, 2011, 5:22 GMT

    Good tribute (not as if it is the last innings), Harsha. One word that comes to my mind when talking about Dravid, Tendulkar and Kumble, humble. I think it is instilled in their upbringing. As they say, it is not getting the first rank that matters the most, but staying there. Gentlemen they are, for them it matters how they got there too. These men played the game as fair as it can be, still be as competent as anyone can be, and I am not sure if we can say the same about all the greats of the game. That is the reason, without a doubt, these men are inspiration to not just budding cricketers, but also to everyone of us on the street.

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:19 GMT

    This is a beautiful article. And as always, there is a lot of thought gone behind writing it. A lot many things about this article could be written about, but the Last Sentence of the Article speaks highly of the writer and the one about whom the article has been written.

  • sameer997 on June 24, 2011, 5:17 GMT

    great piece just goes to show what dravid is.Good technic, patience unlimated and his courage is also undoubtely the best thing.Dravids got this amazin ability of not being worried of what the world says and this calm man slowly yet gradually does what he does best.Proud of Dravid.

  • Naveen-cric11 on June 24, 2011, 5:13 GMT

    Harsha, thanks for this article i am pleased about seeing era of great INDIAN batsman like SACHIN,DRAVID,LAXMAN ...these three men are doing great job as always they... Dravid makes once again y we called WALL ...wall some times going to cracks but it stay like ROCk""

  • ssinghse on June 24, 2011, 5:08 GMT

    Nice words Harsha & truly said Venkat08. There cannot be a greater example or a role model than Rahul Dravid, his approach towards the game is un-matchable. The young guns of India should thank lord that they still have men like Dravid & Tendulkar around for them to learn things first hand... I only hope the Virat's & the Raina's would carry the Baton as far & as perfectly as their seniors have done till date.

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:08 GMT

    I think the statistics of Dravid as one of the best test cricketer speaks for itself. His average, number of centuries both total and outside India, his test total runs so far only just behind Ponting, all this if they dont show his greatness what else can. It is unfortunate some people just ignore the statistics. Yes For Dravid not having Ego and anger has taken him to graet heights as an individual. To me he is one of the greatest cricket, batsman, slip fielder and a very easy to get along individual. I am sure with his focus on physical fitness he may continue to play many more years of test cricket if he continues his form. Tedulkar is a classic stroke maker and Dravid is a classic defensive and technically sound cricketer. It will be unwise to compare them.

  • Percy_Fender on June 24, 2011, 5:08 GMT

    When I look for someone similar to Rahul Dravid in terms of courage,intensity dependability and calm, my mind goes back to David Steele who played for Gloucestershire and England many years ago.When England wanted someone to counter the baddies from the Carribean,of which description there were many in those days, it was always Steele who emerged from the dressing room,just bat in hand and those rimless glasses.He had the personality of someone whose passions include particle physics. Rahul has the same personality and ever since that day inJuly1996at Lord's when the Ganguly Dravid chapter unfolded,has been the same responsible and dependable young man whether it was for the team captain or for his mother in law.It is not surprising to see why the British like Rahul so much. He has been the most sel effacing and modest cricket personality I have known in the nearly 5 decades of cricket watching that I have done.The Kohlis and the Mukunds are fortunate to have such a legend to turn to.

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:03 GMT

    My all time Indian XI : Sehwag, Gavaskar, Dravid, Sachin, Vishwanath, Laxman, Kapil, Dhoni, Zaheer, Kumble and Prassanna or Bedi. Now that would be 1 awesome side!!!

  • CricFan78 on June 24, 2011, 5:02 GMT

    Dravid' last few away series against big guns. India in SA 2011 avg of 20, India in SL 2010 avg of 19, India in SL 2008 avg of 25, India in Oz 2008 avg of 34, India in Eng 2007 avg of 25, India in SA 2007 avg of 21. I dont know why Dravid is still in the team. And he was only required in WI Test because more than half no. 1 side is missing otherwise we are better off playing Kohli and Pujara/Raina/Rahane. Thanks Dravid for all the wins but as those stats show your time is up.

  • sashank on June 24, 2011, 4:54 GMT

    I have to ask. When you said 1, 2 & 4 are written simultaneously, who were you referring to at 1? Sehwag or Gavaskar?

  • Farce-Follower on June 24, 2011, 4:54 GMT

    The motto of Dravid's school, St. Joseph's Boys, was Fide Et Labore : Faith and Toil. What a perfect example of the unending quest to become one of the world's greatest ever. Dravid is for me, the Complete Cricketing Persona.

  • CricketChat on June 24, 2011, 4:50 GMT

    While there is no question he often stabilized Ind batting from collapses, his obdurate style of play is painstaking to watch. As the game is progressing towards fast paced, result oriented way even in Tests, thanks to ODIs and T20s, it was hard to watch his strike rate in the low to mid 30s most of time (as was Shiv's and Nash's from WI). If there is one chink Dravid's armor, it is that he doesn't pick up scoring pace even after getting set.

  • LordAragon on June 24, 2011, 4:50 GMT

    I remember quite clearly.. that dravid was ridiculed in this same forum by claiming taht " he is now playing his career".... anyways the best way to answer is with your bat.... if india has to stand a chance at england... dravid has to be at his very best.... nay be this could be the glorious swansong for the batsman who is the most studious craftman od test cricket.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:44 GMT

    Excellent article. Dravid did a lot of service for India. I will take consistency, hard work and dependability over inconsistent flashy hitting.

  • cricology on June 24, 2011, 4:43 GMT

    Look I am not cynical but I know that I have been fortunate enough to see the last crop of 'great' test cricketers like Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara, Kallis, Dravid, Laxman, Akram, Murli, Mcgrath, Warne etc.

    MARK MY WORDS !!!

    These are last of the league. Coming generation will embrace more T20s thus the 'test skills' wud keep on diluting further and one day we probably will be telling our grand children about the patience which batsmen or bowlers had during test matches and they will ask "is that true?"

    Rahul Sharad Dravid, u are a world class batsman. I have always hailed u the best with Tendulkar-Ganguly. And when people were shouting for ur removal I used to laugh coz I even an out-of-form Dravid is equal to 10 Rainas, 20 Kohilis and 1000 Murli Vijays...........................

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:42 GMT

    Rahul Dravid is probably one of the last classical Test match batsmen

  • profrm on June 24, 2011, 4:39 GMT

    In these days of instant gratification, it is great to come across a perfectionist like Rahul Dravid in every aspect of his game - the stance, the stroke, the temperament,the demeanour.A long while ago, one of our cricket writers - I think it was Raju Bharatan - called Gundappa Vishwanath & Sunil Gavaskar 'The Artist & The Artisan'. You can see their avataars in SRT and Dravid respectively. It also feels very nice to see such a self-effacing cricketer get his due of accolades.

  • MrCrane on June 24, 2011, 4:37 GMT

    This tour is the ideal oppurtunity for youngsters like Kohli, Raina to learn from seniors like Dravid and Laxman. It was nice to see Dravid explaining both Kohli and Raina how to play the short pitch stuff during the test match. These youngsters can learn from both of them. And to hear Dravid say that Sachin still inspires him shows the humbleness he possess.Hope he continues to play Test cricket for India for many more years and keep producing these kind of masterful innings.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:37 GMT

    Jammy from the word go in the first test match till date has been running a marathon of extra ordinary kind, the one filled with exceptional qualities of class,dedication,intensity, talent and desire to perform for the country. In the thirty three years of watching cricket, i have not seen another player in such league and the nearest i could see of that pure quality was Sunny Gavaskar with his immense level of concentration , but sunny did not win so many matches or saved as many like Dravid or Vishy. I think it should read 1,2,3,4 which are straight out of the Indian X1 which can be as good as any world Xi-Sunny,Viru, Dravid & Sachin.

  • mm71 on June 24, 2011, 4:36 GMT

    I think 1,2,3,4 & 5 (Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman) would be written simultaneously for the all-time Indian XI.

  • AbhilashKA on June 24, 2011, 4:34 GMT

    Great article Harsha, Surely Dravid is looking more focused and positive than last year. Hope he will continue the form in the other two test matches and the tour of England.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:29 GMT

    I am sure that the likes of Dhoni, Sachin, Sehwag, Raina, Kohli, Laxman want a part of them to be like Dravid. They must be secretly admiring him for the technique and patience he has. But also for the fact that a person of his ability, his contribution to Indian cricket, his command of the game has been able to stay so far away from the limelight and so grounded in his thoughts and words. It is unlikely we will get a no. 4 like Tendulkar but the sadder part is that it is impossible that we get a no. 3 like Dravid. Kudos to a modern day great!

  • mittemari on June 24, 2011, 4:24 GMT

    Harsha, you have said it right. I have had the pleasure of meeting him in KSCA's dressing room during a game against Himachal Pradesh. He and Kumble were getting ready for tests against Australia in Delhi by playing this match. There was the same intensity that you talked about even in this game. Dravid was the same unassuming guy who gracefully with a smile accepted my best wishes for the series. Iam an unabashed fan of this man and proud to be from the same city. he typifies what some of the great sportsmen have in common. People like him, Sampras etal have always been a great student of the game learning and improving ass they compete. That is what separates these from others.This man's stamina is amazing. I have watched him throughout his career and he never misses the fielding even if he has played a long innings. He is great human being as well and remain outside the media's glare when he is not playing. Hats off to him.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:21 GMT

    Well said Harsha, and venkat08. Rahul Dravid has been the bulwark around whom India's overseas test success stories have been built. His adaptability has allowed him to be a house-painter or a muralist as needed by the team, even an occasional wicket-keeper to lend balance to the team. Like his last match at Sabina Park, on a wicket as treacherous as this, he shows the value of a solid technique, unflappable temperament and experience. Above all, the respect he commands means he is perhaps the best role model about how to handle fame and money.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:20 GMT

    Thank You, Mr. Bhogle for such insight into perhaps the most gentlemanly cricketer in today's game, Mr. Rahul Dravid. Can't imagine the game without No. 1, 3 and 4.

  • Manjunath_Ramarao on June 24, 2011, 4:14 GMT

    Very soothing article about a solid personality. Dravid, the name itself is synonymous to grittiness and perseverance. I wish from the core of my heart, that he ends his career on a high-note with substantial performances in this series, and more so in the next.

  • vinayakshukre on June 24, 2011, 4:13 GMT

    Nice article as usual from Harsha... I disagree with venkat08 "Dravid's greatness will be easily forgotten ...."

    He will be remembered for long time for his patience and concentration while batting

  • sarun on June 24, 2011, 4:05 GMT

    Truly wonderful article about the grit, determination and hard work that epitomizes Dravid. Along with the likes of Steve Waugh, these men stand out because of the fact that even if you dont have the same kind of talent as a Sachin or a Laxman, focus and hard work can get you to greatness. I dont think anyone can forget Dravid's contribution to the betterment of cricket in India and the improved image of India as a touring side. Dravid's rise has coincided and contributed to India's rise as a super power in cricket. His one day record of 10000 runs is remarkable, but hardly gets spoken about. A true student of the game, he makes watching cricket special. The intensity gets to you and is captured well here. Thanks Harsha!

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:03 GMT

    Beautifully worded, as always. There has been so much to admire and respect in Dravid's on-field persona as off it. Kudos, to a remarkable cricketer, to a remarkable person.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 24, 2011, 3:55 GMT

    Harsha, thanks for this article. I was replying to one of the articles on Dravid by Sriram that I haven't seen any batsman who has such technical superiority and add his intensity and perplexing levels of concentration and willingness to dig deep. The Man is just one of a kind that I have seen in nearly 30 years of cricket. I have known people from my college days who feel so content from the inside when they face an academic problem that is just too taxing to deal with and they take immense pleasure in going into the painstaking details to solve it. I can't help but wonder what would Dravid become had he chosen medical profession or Physics? He must have driven his colleagues crazy with his nuances and fundas. One of a kind Harsha. Cricket's gain is someother professions irreplaceable loss. We never know if mankind would have been much better off with Dravid taking up academics. For now, I just want to enjoy the Nirvana that he brings to people like me. Cricket in it's purest form.

  • vpisipati on June 24, 2011, 3:48 GMT

    Awesome article Mr.Bhogle. As much as I am scared that all the listed attibutes that contribute to Dravid's greatness will be easily forgotten because his style is not as swashbuckling as Sehwag's, his talent not as palpable as Tendulkar's, nor his batting not as musical as Laxman's, I am glad that these and many other articles about his gritty, hard working, ever improving brand of cricket will continue to live on long after he retires. Superfans like I can continue to reminisce and revel in them even if the janta forget his greatness. Cannot think of a more gentleman cricketer. Along with Kumble, he stands out as the greatest role model for any budding youngster, as an example of hard work, dedication and application. Keep 'em coming Harsha.

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  • vpisipati on June 24, 2011, 3:48 GMT

    Awesome article Mr.Bhogle. As much as I am scared that all the listed attibutes that contribute to Dravid's greatness will be easily forgotten because his style is not as swashbuckling as Sehwag's, his talent not as palpable as Tendulkar's, nor his batting not as musical as Laxman's, I am glad that these and many other articles about his gritty, hard working, ever improving brand of cricket will continue to live on long after he retires. Superfans like I can continue to reminisce and revel in them even if the janta forget his greatness. Cannot think of a more gentleman cricketer. Along with Kumble, he stands out as the greatest role model for any budding youngster, as an example of hard work, dedication and application. Keep 'em coming Harsha.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 24, 2011, 3:55 GMT

    Harsha, thanks for this article. I was replying to one of the articles on Dravid by Sriram that I haven't seen any batsman who has such technical superiority and add his intensity and perplexing levels of concentration and willingness to dig deep. The Man is just one of a kind that I have seen in nearly 30 years of cricket. I have known people from my college days who feel so content from the inside when they face an academic problem that is just too taxing to deal with and they take immense pleasure in going into the painstaking details to solve it. I can't help but wonder what would Dravid become had he chosen medical profession or Physics? He must have driven his colleagues crazy with his nuances and fundas. One of a kind Harsha. Cricket's gain is someother professions irreplaceable loss. We never know if mankind would have been much better off with Dravid taking up academics. For now, I just want to enjoy the Nirvana that he brings to people like me. Cricket in it's purest form.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:03 GMT

    Beautifully worded, as always. There has been so much to admire and respect in Dravid's on-field persona as off it. Kudos, to a remarkable cricketer, to a remarkable person.

  • sarun on June 24, 2011, 4:05 GMT

    Truly wonderful article about the grit, determination and hard work that epitomizes Dravid. Along with the likes of Steve Waugh, these men stand out because of the fact that even if you dont have the same kind of talent as a Sachin or a Laxman, focus and hard work can get you to greatness. I dont think anyone can forget Dravid's contribution to the betterment of cricket in India and the improved image of India as a touring side. Dravid's rise has coincided and contributed to India's rise as a super power in cricket. His one day record of 10000 runs is remarkable, but hardly gets spoken about. A true student of the game, he makes watching cricket special. The intensity gets to you and is captured well here. Thanks Harsha!

  • vinayakshukre on June 24, 2011, 4:13 GMT

    Nice article as usual from Harsha... I disagree with venkat08 "Dravid's greatness will be easily forgotten ...."

    He will be remembered for long time for his patience and concentration while batting

  • Manjunath_Ramarao on June 24, 2011, 4:14 GMT

    Very soothing article about a solid personality. Dravid, the name itself is synonymous to grittiness and perseverance. I wish from the core of my heart, that he ends his career on a high-note with substantial performances in this series, and more so in the next.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:20 GMT

    Thank You, Mr. Bhogle for such insight into perhaps the most gentlemanly cricketer in today's game, Mr. Rahul Dravid. Can't imagine the game without No. 1, 3 and 4.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:21 GMT

    Well said Harsha, and venkat08. Rahul Dravid has been the bulwark around whom India's overseas test success stories have been built. His adaptability has allowed him to be a house-painter or a muralist as needed by the team, even an occasional wicket-keeper to lend balance to the team. Like his last match at Sabina Park, on a wicket as treacherous as this, he shows the value of a solid technique, unflappable temperament and experience. Above all, the respect he commands means he is perhaps the best role model about how to handle fame and money.

  • mittemari on June 24, 2011, 4:24 GMT

    Harsha, you have said it right. I have had the pleasure of meeting him in KSCA's dressing room during a game against Himachal Pradesh. He and Kumble were getting ready for tests against Australia in Delhi by playing this match. There was the same intensity that you talked about even in this game. Dravid was the same unassuming guy who gracefully with a smile accepted my best wishes for the series. Iam an unabashed fan of this man and proud to be from the same city. he typifies what some of the great sportsmen have in common. People like him, Sampras etal have always been a great student of the game learning and improving ass they compete. That is what separates these from others.This man's stamina is amazing. I have watched him throughout his career and he never misses the fielding even if he has played a long innings. He is great human being as well and remain outside the media's glare when he is not playing. Hats off to him.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:29 GMT

    I am sure that the likes of Dhoni, Sachin, Sehwag, Raina, Kohli, Laxman want a part of them to be like Dravid. They must be secretly admiring him for the technique and patience he has. But also for the fact that a person of his ability, his contribution to Indian cricket, his command of the game has been able to stay so far away from the limelight and so grounded in his thoughts and words. It is unlikely we will get a no. 4 like Tendulkar but the sadder part is that it is impossible that we get a no. 3 like Dravid. Kudos to a modern day great!