November 11, 2011

West Indies have flubbed their best chance

They seem to be trapped in a mindset that dooms them to failure. As for India, they managed to get out of jail
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West Indies played the role of the challenger really well but you always knew it was a question of when, rather than if, they would fall away. It is thus ordained in the book of life for people who are incapable of, or are prevented from, growing beyond their role. West Indies need someone on the field to show them how to win, for at the moment they give the impression it is out of bounds. Sometimes when you fear the inevitable, you invite it.

There is much promise in this side but it is on a long downward spiral, and the new talent coming in will take the shape of the mould it is cast into. It is the mould, the air they breathe, the acceptance of defeat, that needs to be demolished. It can start with the administration picking the best possible team, and a captain who can inject belief. There is something about Darren Sammy. He is better as a leader than most thought he would be, but he is a cricketer who makes up the numbers. You need that kind too, those who play solid supporting roles, but West Indies need a leader - someone who says, in words and in behaviour, "Come follow me."

And so India got away in the third innings of the match, after having played a poor second. A team that knew how to win would have sealed it in the third. Two hundred and seventy-five was not enough, especially on Indian pitches that are showing a peculiar tendency to ease up as the game goes along. As India's impressive debutant Ravichandran Ashwin suggested, it was not a pitch on which you could run through a side. Ashwin himself passed his first test with flying colours. There will be many more, tougher and heartbreaking, but that thought is for another day. To celebrate the present is as much a part of the game as is worrying about what the future holds.

Ashwin has come up bowling on pitches in India that are, most times, designed exclusively for batsmen. They help no one, certainly not the batsmen. But they test a bowler's heart and allow him to hone his craft. That is what the great spinners of the past did, and that is what Harbhajan Singh will have to do: go back and have the patience to become the classical spinner he was. At some point in life, all successful people go back to school, and maybe this is Harbhajan's opportunity.

It was good to see Pragyan Ojha come good too, for the throwers of the dice in Indian cricket have been a touch unkind to him. At the IPL he seemed disturbed when I met him, but the calmness seems to have returned. On Indian pitches he will always be a handful, and a bowler who turns the ball away from the right-hander is an asset most good teams seek to have.

India benefited, too, from good starts. It is always nice to have two pedigreed openers walk out, both of whom are excellent players of spin; maybe a touch arrogant but who, on their day, can demolish opposition tweakers. The new ball is not always the most crucial period of play on the subcontinent (as it is in England, where India lost the series in those passages) but a 70- or 80-run start just gets the innings going and allows the masters of these conditions to plunder runs down the order.

India's batting looked a little less than ready in the first innings, and that is why VVS Laxman's second-innings effort was just the right performance. So too with Sachin Tendulkar, whose 76 was a fine exercise in rediscovering rhythm. Currently his biggest problem is not the opposition bowling but his supporters who strangle him with their love and virtually coerce him into delivering that century.

I fear this was the best opportunity West Indies could have had, and they didn't have the mindset to take it. The players they need are either unavailable or persona non grata. They seem to have too much stacked against them, on the field and in the committees. I hope they can prove people wrong, for they are popular tourists, as the engaging players from Trinidad and Tobago found out in the Champions League.

But it will require a brave man to bet against India after the first Test.

Harsha Bhogle is a commentator, television presenter and writer. His Twitter feed is here

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  • on November 13, 2011, 6:12 GMT

    What a pathetic article. I thought I was reading an article about WI, and as usual, it turned out to be about India. Grow out of it Harsha and for once, be an objective commentator!

  • on November 13, 2011, 3:29 GMT

    Harsha, are we to conclude that Michael Clarke is not a good leader? But Aus. retained Ponting

  • serious-am-i on November 12, 2011, 21:16 GMT

    WI improved a lot with their bowling, but who is the backup for Fiedel Edwards ? Once u take Edwards out of the squad, it looks a miserable attack. I think WI must get back few senior players back into the squad and groom youngsters around them rather than grooming under 1 legend of Chanderpaul. Pollard is useless for tests, Dwayne Bravo might be a good choice. Its WI batting that's looking more worry some. WICB must be careful in protecting their bowlers. @mrhamilton, sarwan was dropped by selectors for not signing contract probably.It wasn't sarwan who opted out of the tour. @Jose Puliampatta: your exact problem sire ? I could dare your own English team to win a single test with in India, I would say they could draw it but not win on Indian dust bowls, remember what happened to your Cook's men in ODI my brother ?

  • degiant on November 12, 2011, 20:27 GMT

    I do not agree with the author because India is a better team and were expected to roll over WI. Under Gayle WI won two tests [SA and ENG] and lost quite a few. Sammy has lost three test as captain but he also has won two. So TWO WINS in the last eight tests is not a team that have forgotten how to win, but a team who is starting to win again

  • MasterClass on November 12, 2011, 18:01 GMT

    @Nampally - I totally agree that the 3 spinners Ashwin, Ojha and Rahul Sharma are India's best spinners at the moment, but I despair that BCCI will take Bhajji to OZ and play him as solo spinner, at least for first 2 tests. Bhajji does up his game for the OZ, but I'm not convinced he will be effective this time. In fact he wasn't effective last time either, except getting under their skin, and admittedly putting in a few good batting performances.

  • m_ilind on November 12, 2011, 17:50 GMT

    India is finally emerging from the shadows of the Eng tour. Good to see the selectors making some bold decisions in the bowling department. India still needs bench strength in batting, which they will need once the stalwarts begin to retire.

  • MasterClass on November 12, 2011, 17:19 GMT

    I once jokingly suggested that WI play 10 bowlers and Chandrapaul. Well, I suppose you need a wicket keeper, but you get my point. It's like the line from the Karate Kid: Walk on left side of street - ok, walk on right side of street - ok, walk in middle - squish! just like grape.

  • Nampally on November 12, 2011, 16:46 GMT

    @mrhamilton: Sir, you don't need to get sick. You have 2 of your input comments already in. If you read between the lines, Harsha is just stating the facts. WI needs a hero like figure - a model- who inspires them to produce their best. Sammy may be a good captain who unites the team, but he cannot give such inspiration. Take Gary Sobers for example. He could swing the game in a matter of an hour with either bowling, batting or fielding. Chris Gayle, although not Sobers, can produce fireworks which demolishes most bowling. He can do it over a long period. That alone leads the players to believe in him and produce their best.Dwane Bravo & Pollard also have that magnetism to some extent but they are not as consistent or domineering as Gayle. So WI is missing a magnetic" leader" (not captain - @ 44Johter) to finish the job once the team is on voctory path. Team follows this guy's lead magically.Can Sammy produce that magic? India missed that leader in England tour & got Whitewashed!.

  • on November 12, 2011, 16:10 GMT

    Dear Yorkshirematt. You ask India to watch out for the English Team. We already did that over 5 matches, over 5 different days, at 5 different venues. Perhaps you didn't watch. Recordings may be available.

  • on November 12, 2011, 11:27 GMT

    @ Giovaughn Wilson you made alot of sense with what u said there, i can tell u know ur cricket... WI bowling has Improved,the attack is good now, so why not play their best batsmen.........this is all on the WICB....WEST INDIES CIRCUS BOARD

  • on November 13, 2011, 6:12 GMT

    What a pathetic article. I thought I was reading an article about WI, and as usual, it turned out to be about India. Grow out of it Harsha and for once, be an objective commentator!

  • on November 13, 2011, 3:29 GMT

    Harsha, are we to conclude that Michael Clarke is not a good leader? But Aus. retained Ponting

  • serious-am-i on November 12, 2011, 21:16 GMT

    WI improved a lot with their bowling, but who is the backup for Fiedel Edwards ? Once u take Edwards out of the squad, it looks a miserable attack. I think WI must get back few senior players back into the squad and groom youngsters around them rather than grooming under 1 legend of Chanderpaul. Pollard is useless for tests, Dwayne Bravo might be a good choice. Its WI batting that's looking more worry some. WICB must be careful in protecting their bowlers. @mrhamilton, sarwan was dropped by selectors for not signing contract probably.It wasn't sarwan who opted out of the tour. @Jose Puliampatta: your exact problem sire ? I could dare your own English team to win a single test with in India, I would say they could draw it but not win on Indian dust bowls, remember what happened to your Cook's men in ODI my brother ?

  • degiant on November 12, 2011, 20:27 GMT

    I do not agree with the author because India is a better team and were expected to roll over WI. Under Gayle WI won two tests [SA and ENG] and lost quite a few. Sammy has lost three test as captain but he also has won two. So TWO WINS in the last eight tests is not a team that have forgotten how to win, but a team who is starting to win again

  • MasterClass on November 12, 2011, 18:01 GMT

    @Nampally - I totally agree that the 3 spinners Ashwin, Ojha and Rahul Sharma are India's best spinners at the moment, but I despair that BCCI will take Bhajji to OZ and play him as solo spinner, at least for first 2 tests. Bhajji does up his game for the OZ, but I'm not convinced he will be effective this time. In fact he wasn't effective last time either, except getting under their skin, and admittedly putting in a few good batting performances.

  • m_ilind on November 12, 2011, 17:50 GMT

    India is finally emerging from the shadows of the Eng tour. Good to see the selectors making some bold decisions in the bowling department. India still needs bench strength in batting, which they will need once the stalwarts begin to retire.

  • MasterClass on November 12, 2011, 17:19 GMT

    I once jokingly suggested that WI play 10 bowlers and Chandrapaul. Well, I suppose you need a wicket keeper, but you get my point. It's like the line from the Karate Kid: Walk on left side of street - ok, walk on right side of street - ok, walk in middle - squish! just like grape.

  • Nampally on November 12, 2011, 16:46 GMT

    @mrhamilton: Sir, you don't need to get sick. You have 2 of your input comments already in. If you read between the lines, Harsha is just stating the facts. WI needs a hero like figure - a model- who inspires them to produce their best. Sammy may be a good captain who unites the team, but he cannot give such inspiration. Take Gary Sobers for example. He could swing the game in a matter of an hour with either bowling, batting or fielding. Chris Gayle, although not Sobers, can produce fireworks which demolishes most bowling. He can do it over a long period. That alone leads the players to believe in him and produce their best.Dwane Bravo & Pollard also have that magnetism to some extent but they are not as consistent or domineering as Gayle. So WI is missing a magnetic" leader" (not captain - @ 44Johter) to finish the job once the team is on voctory path. Team follows this guy's lead magically.Can Sammy produce that magic? India missed that leader in England tour & got Whitewashed!.

  • on November 12, 2011, 16:10 GMT

    Dear Yorkshirematt. You ask India to watch out for the English Team. We already did that over 5 matches, over 5 different days, at 5 different venues. Perhaps you didn't watch. Recordings may be available.

  • on November 12, 2011, 11:27 GMT

    @ Giovaughn Wilson you made alot of sense with what u said there, i can tell u know ur cricket... WI bowling has Improved,the attack is good now, so why not play their best batsmen.........this is all on the WICB....WEST INDIES CIRCUS BOARD

  • mrhamilton on November 12, 2011, 10:22 GMT

    im getting pretty sick with why none of my posts are printed. harsha you are wrong to pick on darren sammy. Sammy is a superb captain. He always weighs in with useful runs, leads by example and takes some useful wickets. Sammy needs to be supported by gayle swallowing his ego, sarwan deciding to grow up or stay out , and roach being played with edwards. If taylor and dwayne bravo want to stay iunjured forever they should be dropped forever but windies need gayle back in asap until they can start to find some new batsmen

  • on November 12, 2011, 10:05 GMT

    Harsha, i agree with much of this, and it's a pity (for West Indies, and cricket in general). There's an interesting contrast with Pakistan (who have also gone through traumatic times recently) but are beginning to learn how to win again. In my opinion, having vibrant West Indies and Pakistan teams is good for cricket as a whole.

  • tompuffin on November 12, 2011, 9:48 GMT

    Oh NO! More Sammy bashers!!! Seriously guys did you even watch the last game?! He took 5 wickets, which is a third of the 15 wickets WI took. And he almost scored a half century, but admittedly his batting isn't good enough for the all rounder slot. Still he doesn't deserve to get dropped. If anything, their keeper Baugh seems rubbish at batting......

  • on November 12, 2011, 8:57 GMT

    Yes West Indies did not take every1 to the cleaners when Gayle & Sarwan, Taylor were around but since Lara retired when ever we did well or fought hard for a draw it was either these 3 or Chanderpaul who did the trick. When we beat England at home it was Taylor Sarwan & Gayle. We draw series with Sri Lanka @ home. When we beat SA away from home for the first time. In the last series vs Australia During that time our bowling attack was rarely at full strength. now that our bowling has improved under Gibson we refuse to play our best batsmen who have experience. What Gibson should have done is stuck with the senior players instead of bashing them. He is a good bowling coach but i don't think he will get many job offers as overall coach . He should not be too naive about his relationship with WICB either cause with them you never know.

  • on November 12, 2011, 7:43 GMT

    Sachin should retire and stay at 99 hundreds. If Bradman could not get his 4 runs and Hobbs could not get his 3 centuries, Sachin can stay at 99. As for West Indies, they are probably in the same mould that India was in 1990s. We lost the test at Barbados getting all out for 81 chasing a modest target of 120. Same at Delhi in 1987 when we could not exploit a fourth innings wicket. At 111 for 4, the door was open but Richards shut it cracking a century and sending Maninder Singh to the cleaners. Harbhajan was never a classical spinner, he was effective and lion hearted. Ashwin seems to be the next Kumble but its too early to say. I would like Amit Mishra to come back to form as well.

  • Alexk400 on November 12, 2011, 7:31 GMT

    Sammy captaincy is very good. But he imbalances the team. He can't knock off batsman , he can't bat long. He is taking spot of good fast bowler like roach. Ther need atleast two real fast bowler , 1 swing bowler and 1 good spinnder. Bishoo will be good once he grow up and put some muscle in his bicep. He will be great bowler if he become strong. Leg spinner needs more energy to bowl than off spinner. India has more off spinner because it is easy to bowl. Even bhaji throws. leg spin you have to bend your back too much unless you are left handed. Ha. it will be struggle for a while until they find few younger batsman who can stay at wicket and score fast. With sammy WI team fight for sure but eventually they will lose because team is not balanced.

  • 44johter on November 12, 2011, 2:20 GMT

    @nampally when chris gayle was captain where did he take the team?

  • AdityaMookerjee on November 12, 2011, 2:07 GMT

    It doesn't do the West Indian team justice, when they have to think about winning. They just have to win. The West Indian team in the '80, didn't think about winning, too much, but then they lost, deservedly for India, the World Cup Final's on 1983. Hard work comes naturally for the West Indian Team, physical hard work, and they should enjoy it. But, they must not fret, that they are not the Indian Cricket Team, with all the pluses and minuses that come with it. They may not be the best paid, nor may they have the following of the Indian Team, but that didn't stop them in the past, from being the best team. I see India as the chariot of the 'Juggernaut', at least the Indian Cricket Team. People will not let the chariot rest, and will pull it with their own hands, if need be. I want the West Indian Team to rival India's, but I want the same for Pakistan, and other teams too.

  • Nampally on November 11, 2011, 22:30 GMT

    @Shan156: Harbhajan cannot get wickets even in Ranji matches. In 2 matches he has taken just one wkt. How do you expect him to be the solo spinner for India ? I know the Indian Selectors made huge mistakes in the past but even they cannot be that foolish to play an out of form player who is struggling to take wkts. in the Ranji Matches. India has 3 excellent young spinners in Ashwin, Ojha & Rahul Sharma. I expect all 3 to be in the squad for Australia. I agree with you that India may play 3 seamers + i spinner for sure. The 5th bowler could be an all rounder like Yuvraj or Jadejs, who bowl left arm orthodox spin.This is only if the top 6 batsmen are not in form. Rahul can bowl fast bouncy leg spinners & Ashwin off spinners+carrom ball+Doosra. Both will be very effective on fast Aussie pitches. Rahul is also a useful batsman.So the 5th bowler could also be Rahul. But the choice is dependent upon pitch conditions. Vast experience is irrelevant when the bowler selected is NOT in form.

  • spence1324 on November 11, 2011, 21:44 GMT

    @Harsha, how quickly reporters forget that india displayed the same mind set in england,after Edgbaston india just put up a white flag,now they are at 'home' they are playing like the 'number one team' again.

  • mohamedamin on November 11, 2011, 20:53 GMT

    Roach is not included bec Sammy is in the team.....

  • SibaMohanty on November 11, 2011, 19:07 GMT

    Harsha, I agree with you about Sammy. He is better than most of us think he is but WI needs a man who can make them believe that they are better than what they are thought of. That self belief will come from a fierce leader and once they get one, they will be a changed side.

  • Vilander on November 11, 2011, 18:47 GMT

    Actually as a cricket fan, i am worried that the absence of players like Gayle,Sarwan from the WI test side will leave the new comers a level lower than the usual WI team are. We can not afford this, cricket (test) is played between very few sides. Some very good odi sides like Ireland might not do anything against last placed test team like BD, such is the requirements of this game. Gayle and Sarwan need to be brought back, put them in a seperate hotel if you want but bring them back.

  • Shan156 on November 11, 2011, 18:47 GMT

    @sramesh_74, you may bet your bottom dollar that Harbhajan will play (ahead of both Ojha and Ashwin) against Australia. India will most likely play 3 pacemen and 1 spinner in Australia and that 1 spinner will most likely be Harbhajan (even though his record in Australia is useless) due to his vast experience.

  • Shan156 on November 11, 2011, 18:45 GMT

    @Gupta.Ankur, also, "would have", "should have", "could have" don't mean anything. England smashed India by an innings and 242 runs in Edgbaston just a few months ago. Has India ever managed to win by such a margin against any team?

  • donda on November 11, 2011, 17:49 GMT

    Sachin should open in next test to make 100 and make things easier for him. I know it's big deal for every body that he makes his 100th 100 but this puts him in too much pressure. Also all indian fans think that Sachin only play for records so they might be very happy that he is not able to score 100 . I hope sachin go through this tough time and get passed it and move on. WI is the best team to score 100 against and i think next test match may give him the opportunity.

  • nayonika on November 11, 2011, 16:22 GMT

    Instead of concentrating on India winning the series we are concerned about Sachin reaching century of centuries. What lopsided priority we have! Let all of us look forward to the day of India recording the 100th test victory and leave Sachin alone to complete his 100th 100.

  • KingofRedLions on November 11, 2011, 16:18 GMT

    There is nothing wrong whatsoever with Sammy - he is a better bowler than he appears to be. I'm liking the look of the future for the West Indies, actually.

  • LifeWithBoundaries on November 11, 2011, 15:27 GMT

    Harsha, I sure appreciate your analysis. I have always wondered how many of such articles/critiques/analyses does the intended audience (WICB and WI) get to read! Boy, will these suggestions be helpful to them! I am sure this is hurting WI supporters especially with such a glorious history of an undefeated team for a decade and a half. If the mould they are shaped into and the air they breathe is the issue here, then there is call for radical reformation/restoration. That statement also makes me think why Gayle and Pollard are performing well outside WI team! If that is the case, then it is the mindset that needs to be changed drastically for a better future of the WI cricket.

  • KishoreSharma on November 11, 2011, 15:26 GMT

    Can someone please tell me why West Indies do not play Roach and Edwards together? They would make a potent bowling attack - if they add in Jerome Taylor, it would be world class. I think West Indies would have won the series against India last summer if Roach had been included. They are wasting Roach in the same way that they wasted George Ferris in the 1980s. What a waste of talent !

  • LoveCric123 on November 11, 2011, 14:53 GMT

    Harsha - Nice article. Loved your comment re the SAF-Aus match even more. I am a huge cricket fan, and love the Indian team. For the sake of competitive cricket, I wish the Windies to come back, can never forget growing up and listening to the mighty Windies blowing all and one that came in their path. They had the best spirit too, no sledging (at least none that was reported back then), just come and whip your back side the good ol' fashioned way. Go India, Go Windies!

  • Alexk400 on November 11, 2011, 14:14 GMT

    it is not darren sammy's fault that the WI young players not batting well. They have to toughen up. Staying at crease one thing , you have to score to WIN. WI need aggressive openers who do not lose their wicket easily. All will be different. It is that india got world two best openers in Indian condition.

  • Nampally on November 11, 2011, 14:11 GMT

    Indeed, the WI let the match slip away. Full credit to Ashwin to bring India back into winning position with his sterling second innings performance while long time "Pariah" Ojha was brilliant in first .Back to the old times when spinners like Mankad, Gupte, Bedi,Chandra, Kumble showed India's dominance in spin.Had India played Rahul Sharma, WI might have been dismissed much cheaper in both the innings. Sehwag,Tendulkar & Laxman shook off their rustiness in the second innings and led Indian chase to victory.Sehwag knows only one way - lead from the front with attack.His half centuries in both the innings @ S/Rof over 100 set the table..Dravid batted well as usual.Fortunately SRT & VVS came back strongly ti finish the chase.As for the WI, they lack a leader like Chris Gayle.WI Board have to swallow their pride & come to terms to play Gayle.He is too great a batsman to be dropped based on petty politics.Without Gayle, WI has no match winning player.Thats a Fact & Reality-like it or Not!

  • yorkshirematt on November 11, 2011, 13:27 GMT

    Watch out India. England won't let you out of jail that easily next year. If you struggle to beat WI in your beloved home conditions you have no right to even claim to be number 1.

  • on November 11, 2011, 12:39 GMT

    Yes Harsha, you really know whats going on.Maybe you should coach WI rather that Gibson.WI is a far better side than they appear to be. They play well but just don't know how to win.They are a very few players that were part of a winning WI team. Chanderpaul is one.The other two batsmen are Gayle and Sarwan but they are being sidelined at the moment. Lets review, all great teams have a period of transition were successors to the past great players learn the art from. Did you remember when Ambrose and Walsh were reaching the end of their careers, who was their successors.Franklin Rose and Reon King, there was also Mervin Dillion, but he was nowhere near the pedigree of those guys. Cricket politics dictated and King and Rose were discarded, but in the end it became event that the built up Dillion had to go. This left a great hole in WI bowling for a # of years. We have a few guys now edwards etc. But the damage was done. Now we are making the same mistake with Gayle and Sarwan.

  • Kart_in_Quartz on November 11, 2011, 12:28 GMT

    Brilliant write-up!.. Right from the beginning "...but you always knew it was a question of when, rather than if, they would fall away" and the follow-ups sums up the whole passage in precision. How on earth do you get to speak your thoughts to pen!

  • KCN7 on November 11, 2011, 12:27 GMT

    Naresh 28, Laxman is a fast scorer. He was taking singles. Just 6 boundaries by Laxman. There were 2 leg byes on. Laxman had reached halfway. It would have meant less chance of a century even if they ran 1. Sachin needed 24 of 42. He would have got it. No one is questioning or can question Sachin's contribution to Indian Cricket or to reaching the 2 World Cup finals. But what happened in each final. Sachin Vs McGrath was unfortunate, but it was a shot too early against another master. Anyone else playing that would have been pilloried. We must highlight the Sehwag stumping, Gambhir run out & Dravid near run out. Against Aus it would have been fatal. Sehwag's was like Laxman in WI. Each moments of complacency if not arrogance. Gambhir may be king of these, World cup final, getting concussed in UK. There are more. Gambhir also can bat sensibly when his place was on the line like in NZ. He's better than his stats, unlike Sachin who deserves it all.

  • Gupta.Ankur on November 11, 2011, 12:23 GMT

    Whatever maybe the case, they still managed to perform better then england has ever managed to play in India.....

    Their young batsmen were willing to grind it out and do well..........had it been england.....india would have won by an innings.......

  • on November 11, 2011, 11:53 GMT

    Dear Harsha, I am a big fan of CRICKET and also equally a fan of HARSHA.

    All your analysis is good. But, without salt,there is no taste to item.

    Similarly, your review failed for not mentioning the heroic efforts of CHANDRA PAUL. How you missed him and DRAVID

  • Burbon on November 11, 2011, 11:38 GMT

    Great Article Harsha, we really need Gayle ,not only as a Player, but to lead!!!!

  • sramesh_74 on November 11, 2011, 10:59 GMT

    Ojha and Ashwin were teriffic...But something tells me they will not make the playing 11 on Boxing Day..The Turbanator will waltz into the team. The wise men that control the game will make intelligent statements about him having rediscovered his mojo and his expertise/experience being a game changer for the tussle against Australia..

  • mrhamilton on November 11, 2011, 10:27 GMT

    i doubt this will get printed but very poor show Harsha picking on Darren Sammy. Sammy is just about the best thing about West Indies cricket right now. The man scored useful runs in this match and useful wickets, and he carries the aura of a guy determined to win and lead by example. The more realistic assesment is the west indies need to find a way to either get Chris Gayle and dwayne bravo back in the side with minimal disruption or move on from them and find a couple of good openers. Alternatively if they could just one fast bowler of the ilk of walsh, ambrose,marshall or holding and this team will suddenly take a different look.

  • IndiaNeedsBowlers on November 11, 2011, 10:24 GMT

    1. Harsha is absolutely right about WI lacking the belief that they can beat India. After taking that lead they should have imposed themselves in their 2nd innings. 2. However I disagree that 275 was not enough. If they had restricted India to 200 odd in first innings, they could have done it in the 2nd innings. Particularly with an aggresive spinner Bishoo in thier ranks. But again I think its their lack of belief, the game was over once they were dismissed cheaply in their second innings. If they would have scored 200 in first innings, 300 in second, the bowlers would be in a better frame of mind and then maybe India needing the same 275 would have found it much difficult.

  • bongbasu on November 11, 2011, 9:19 GMT

    West Indies doesn't have the strength to beat India. Lets face it and move forward.

  • Naresh28 on November 11, 2011, 8:38 GMT

    KCN7 Sachin was still far from the century. The single refused is not that he wanted to keep the strike. A runout was possible with Laxman's running ability. Also maybe Sachin wants to retire after this last milestone - he deserves the respect. He is no 16 year old anymore.People want to compare a youngster with Sachin today. His milstones were picked up on his career path/journey. So whether you like it or not his achievments/records/milestones are there - to all his fans he is the greatest. India team won the ODI world cup, finished 2nd in 2003, reached test NO1 not so long ago - Sachin was part of this.

  • on November 11, 2011, 7:39 GMT

    hai hi... WEST INDiEs are a 2p team

  • on November 11, 2011, 6:53 GMT

    Windies need one or two players to bat around chanderpaul. time and again virtually chanders glues the side from falling apart but that can only save the match; for winning atleast 3 or more players got to score runs. but in WI its a one man batting unit for the past 5 yrs or so. as for now in IND vs Chnaderpaul.

  • sajjodaalman on November 11, 2011, 6:27 GMT

    we need back sarwan, gayle, bravo, taylor, and ramdin, benn, deonarine

  • annys on November 11, 2011, 5:13 GMT

    Harbhajan needs go back to the basics, he needs to be very confident with his variations and he needs change his approach to bowling. Harbhajan's bowling contradicts his persona and if wants to make a successful comeback he needs to resolve that contradiction. Aswin is a very brave attacking bowler and the best spinner in India today.The primary goal of Indian selectors is to select the best 11 or 16 in india to represent a proud cricketing nation and if they are committed to this then Aswin will play in the boxing day test. India has always been a strong batting nation but to dominate in international cricket you need to be a strong bowling and fielding nation too.we need to find match winning bowlers and without doubt Aswin is one :)

  • longlivewoodoo on November 11, 2011, 4:37 GMT

    I certainly believe that WI missing Gayle. Even he makes 40-50+ inning , like sehwag did , will be a catalyst for WI. They say that they are reforming team although u need ur experienced players , to be youngsters played around them. And where is R sarwan ? He would have been an asset in these conditions. I think WI are facing the same problem like pakistan with much less talent.

  • on November 11, 2011, 4:29 GMT

    In the past 15 years, India has found only two bowlers who could transcend the dead conditions provided by Indian pitches - the great Anil Kumble and the superb Zaheer Khan. Javagal Srinath occasionally was also able to overcome the conditions through pace and reverse swing. Now, Ashwin presents himself as an exciting prospect who could continue that legacy in Indian conditions. Here's hoping that he holds the promise and does not fall away like Irfan Pathan and others.

  • KCN7 on November 11, 2011, 3:59 GMT

    No one wants to admit the Sachin had his eye on his 100 not the winning post. If he had played to win he would have got his century too. Not taking the two leg byes on offer was a dead give away. Till then he was playing so well. Maybe it was a normal act. But why ignore it just because it is Sachin.

  • on November 11, 2011, 3:41 GMT

    But what about the injustice done to MURALI KARTIK? He should be the No 1 choice bowler for India- yes even at 35.

  • on November 11, 2011, 3:32 GMT

    You're right, Harsha.....WI will have to employ practically supernatural abilities if they are to give India a tough fight in the series!

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  • on November 11, 2011, 3:32 GMT

    You're right, Harsha.....WI will have to employ practically supernatural abilities if they are to give India a tough fight in the series!

  • on November 11, 2011, 3:41 GMT

    But what about the injustice done to MURALI KARTIK? He should be the No 1 choice bowler for India- yes even at 35.

  • KCN7 on November 11, 2011, 3:59 GMT

    No one wants to admit the Sachin had his eye on his 100 not the winning post. If he had played to win he would have got his century too. Not taking the two leg byes on offer was a dead give away. Till then he was playing so well. Maybe it was a normal act. But why ignore it just because it is Sachin.

  • on November 11, 2011, 4:29 GMT

    In the past 15 years, India has found only two bowlers who could transcend the dead conditions provided by Indian pitches - the great Anil Kumble and the superb Zaheer Khan. Javagal Srinath occasionally was also able to overcome the conditions through pace and reverse swing. Now, Ashwin presents himself as an exciting prospect who could continue that legacy in Indian conditions. Here's hoping that he holds the promise and does not fall away like Irfan Pathan and others.

  • longlivewoodoo on November 11, 2011, 4:37 GMT

    I certainly believe that WI missing Gayle. Even he makes 40-50+ inning , like sehwag did , will be a catalyst for WI. They say that they are reforming team although u need ur experienced players , to be youngsters played around them. And where is R sarwan ? He would have been an asset in these conditions. I think WI are facing the same problem like pakistan with much less talent.

  • annys on November 11, 2011, 5:13 GMT

    Harbhajan needs go back to the basics, he needs to be very confident with his variations and he needs change his approach to bowling. Harbhajan's bowling contradicts his persona and if wants to make a successful comeback he needs to resolve that contradiction. Aswin is a very brave attacking bowler and the best spinner in India today.The primary goal of Indian selectors is to select the best 11 or 16 in india to represent a proud cricketing nation and if they are committed to this then Aswin will play in the boxing day test. India has always been a strong batting nation but to dominate in international cricket you need to be a strong bowling and fielding nation too.we need to find match winning bowlers and without doubt Aswin is one :)

  • sajjodaalman on November 11, 2011, 6:27 GMT

    we need back sarwan, gayle, bravo, taylor, and ramdin, benn, deonarine

  • on November 11, 2011, 6:53 GMT

    Windies need one or two players to bat around chanderpaul. time and again virtually chanders glues the side from falling apart but that can only save the match; for winning atleast 3 or more players got to score runs. but in WI its a one man batting unit for the past 5 yrs or so. as for now in IND vs Chnaderpaul.

  • on November 11, 2011, 7:39 GMT

    hai hi... WEST INDiEs are a 2p team

  • Naresh28 on November 11, 2011, 8:38 GMT

    KCN7 Sachin was still far from the century. The single refused is not that he wanted to keep the strike. A runout was possible with Laxman's running ability. Also maybe Sachin wants to retire after this last milestone - he deserves the respect. He is no 16 year old anymore.People want to compare a youngster with Sachin today. His milstones were picked up on his career path/journey. So whether you like it or not his achievments/records/milestones are there - to all his fans he is the greatest. India team won the ODI world cup, finished 2nd in 2003, reached test NO1 not so long ago - Sachin was part of this.