Pakistan v England 2011-12 February 8, 2012

The facts about Saeed Ajmal

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ESPNcricinfo can today provide the facts that prove the legality of Saeed Ajmal's bowling action.

Ajmal was Man of the Series against England after taking 24 wickets in the three-Test series and playing a prominent role in Pakistan's first Test whitewash against England.

Ajmal caused confusion when he gave a TV interview following the series and appeared to indicate he had been given dispensation by the ICC to bowl above the 15-degree tolerance limit.

Countless fans have contacted ESPNcricinfo through social networking sites and by email asking us to clarify the situation regarding Ajmal. After a thorough investigation, including extensive discussion with the ICC, these are the facts.

  • Ajmal's action is well within the ICC range of tolerance. While he does bowl with a bend in his arm, it does not straighten more, on average, than about eight degrees.

  • His arm does come through at a bent angle but that is allowed so long as it doesn't straighten beyond the tolerance level.

  • The figure of 23.5 degrees mentioned by Ajmal is the average angle of his arm at the beginning of delivery.

  • The ICC put Ajmal, along with other bowlers, under constant scrutiny and evidence suggests that there has been no significant deterioration in Ajmal's action since he was tested in 2009.

  • Contrary to widespread belief, Ajmal's off-break and quicker ball actually cause his arm to straighten more - though only a fraction more - than his much-debated doosra.

  • The ICC is reluctant to discuss bowling actions in detail because officials fear the subject is too complicated to explain.

For the full story read senior cricket correspondent George Dobell's piece from Dubai.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

Comments have now been closed for this article

  • The_Wog on February 11, 2012, 11:27 GMT

    Ha ha - he doesn't speak English! Good one! I sympathise with second language difficulties when interviewed around the world, but I'm HIGHLY unlikely to accidentally say something in Urdu to the effect of "I have a special dispensation from the ICC to straighten my arm by 23 degrees because I once suffered an elbow injury in an accident."

    He clearly meant and understood the words: - ICC - special - 23 degrees - elbow - accident

    so I think we're owed the explanation (in Urdu, through a translater) of what he ACTUALLY meant to say that contained those words in sequence. Not from some bloke in Dubai saying what he thinks Ajmal meant, but Ajmal himself.

  • on February 11, 2012, 9:35 GMT

    Saeed Ajmal is the king of spin today and i think he will be remembered ever in cricket history.....saeed Pakistan proud of You

  • short_cover on February 10, 2012, 21:20 GMT

    While we celebrate the brilliance of Saeed Ajmal, we should not forget the menacing accuracy of Abdul Rehman. On any given day, either one of them was just as dangerous and un-playable. Infact, during first 2 tests, Rehman bowled much less number of overs than Ajmal and it was only the 3rd test where he bowled a lot. So kudos to both of them. On the other hand, it would be really interesting to now see Pak in an overseas test series in Eng, Aus or S.Africa. I cannot wait for that.... And honestly, I would be more than happy even if they lose the series but fighting out in each of the game. If they can do that... future is bright for Pak.

  • on February 10, 2012, 9:38 GMT

    seed ajmal is the best there and the best there will be

  • SirEngland on February 10, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    England should employ Murali as their coach. Had enough of Andy Flower coming out with silly excuses. Ajmal's action, England were Undercooked, long time off, blah, blah, blah.......Andy get on with it or get out!!

  • chandu_sistla on February 10, 2012, 8:58 GMT

    his interview was basically he didnt understand question & he simply can't speak fluent english. i would rather suggest stop talking especialy on these matters. BETTER AVOID SOME FACTS COMING OUT.

  • on February 10, 2012, 7:02 GMT

    That's nothing new ... Few in england are really sore losers.... they have to cover up somehow...there is nothing to get bothered about from Pakistan's point of view. I'm hoping to see more thrilling action and close encounters in ODIs and T20s.

  • yorkshirematt on February 10, 2012, 0:54 GMT

    I have also spoken to many cricketing mates during the series and asked about Ajmal and not one of them had an issue.

  • yorkshirematt on February 10, 2012, 0:52 GMT

    Not one quality paper in Britain has had a bad word to say about Ajmal or his action. And all england fans, if not fully congratulating Pakistan, accept that they were beaten by the better side and are making no excuses.

  • on February 9, 2012, 22:42 GMT

    Saeed Ajmal = living legend! whether someone likes it or not. End of story.

  • The_Wog on February 11, 2012, 11:27 GMT

    Ha ha - he doesn't speak English! Good one! I sympathise with second language difficulties when interviewed around the world, but I'm HIGHLY unlikely to accidentally say something in Urdu to the effect of "I have a special dispensation from the ICC to straighten my arm by 23 degrees because I once suffered an elbow injury in an accident."

    He clearly meant and understood the words: - ICC - special - 23 degrees - elbow - accident

    so I think we're owed the explanation (in Urdu, through a translater) of what he ACTUALLY meant to say that contained those words in sequence. Not from some bloke in Dubai saying what he thinks Ajmal meant, but Ajmal himself.

  • on February 11, 2012, 9:35 GMT

    Saeed Ajmal is the king of spin today and i think he will be remembered ever in cricket history.....saeed Pakistan proud of You

  • short_cover on February 10, 2012, 21:20 GMT

    While we celebrate the brilliance of Saeed Ajmal, we should not forget the menacing accuracy of Abdul Rehman. On any given day, either one of them was just as dangerous and un-playable. Infact, during first 2 tests, Rehman bowled much less number of overs than Ajmal and it was only the 3rd test where he bowled a lot. So kudos to both of them. On the other hand, it would be really interesting to now see Pak in an overseas test series in Eng, Aus or S.Africa. I cannot wait for that.... And honestly, I would be more than happy even if they lose the series but fighting out in each of the game. If they can do that... future is bright for Pak.

  • on February 10, 2012, 9:38 GMT

    seed ajmal is the best there and the best there will be

  • SirEngland on February 10, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    England should employ Murali as their coach. Had enough of Andy Flower coming out with silly excuses. Ajmal's action, England were Undercooked, long time off, blah, blah, blah.......Andy get on with it or get out!!

  • chandu_sistla on February 10, 2012, 8:58 GMT

    his interview was basically he didnt understand question & he simply can't speak fluent english. i would rather suggest stop talking especialy on these matters. BETTER AVOID SOME FACTS COMING OUT.

  • on February 10, 2012, 7:02 GMT

    That's nothing new ... Few in england are really sore losers.... they have to cover up somehow...there is nothing to get bothered about from Pakistan's point of view. I'm hoping to see more thrilling action and close encounters in ODIs and T20s.

  • yorkshirematt on February 10, 2012, 0:54 GMT

    I have also spoken to many cricketing mates during the series and asked about Ajmal and not one of them had an issue.

  • yorkshirematt on February 10, 2012, 0:52 GMT

    Not one quality paper in Britain has had a bad word to say about Ajmal or his action. And all england fans, if not fully congratulating Pakistan, accept that they were beaten by the better side and are making no excuses.

  • on February 9, 2012, 22:42 GMT

    Saeed Ajmal = living legend! whether someone likes it or not. End of story.

  • on February 9, 2012, 21:59 GMT

    Will Pakistanis please stop accusing us of being bad losers! Pakistan were the better team, and I have yet to hear any England player or fan complain.

  • on February 9, 2012, 21:02 GMT

    @tezmond & radioactiverob its not like he was seriously spinning it? werent most wickets taken because the players didnt pick up the length of the ball and should have been forward when they were playing back... the writing was on the wall in the warm up games when a 19year old took 8 wickets in 30 odd overs for 80 odd runs.... most other teams including SA, NZ, bang, Aus & SL have played him over the last couple of years they were able to play him just fine....

  • BowledYa on February 9, 2012, 19:19 GMT

    All controversies aside, the results show how unprepared the England players were against spin. I wonder why. Its not as if the pitches were that different - both sides said they were excellent test pitches, and they did not turn a lot most of the time. They play international spinners all the time in England. Were they spooked by the noise before the series? I do believe this series was lost more psychologically than by lack of skill. The team with more confidence won.

  • CSK-FAN on February 9, 2012, 16:23 GMT

    Common guys! Accept playing spin is difficult. Doubt your abilities to face that and not those of the bowlers.

  • ant1c on February 9, 2012, 16:16 GMT

    Excellent clarification. As has been stated no member of the England team made any complaint about Ajmal's action and it is not as if nobody from England has ever seen Ajmal before. He played one test in England as well as county cricket for Worcestershire. The controversy seemed to be stirred up by the newspaper journalists whose job it is to create controversy, nobody on the BBC's TMS team accused Ajmal of bowling illegally. On the subject of the result Pakistan have shown what a dangerous side they are and I believe they will provide a challenge to any opponent wherever they play in the world. They have a good captain, a balanced attack and an improving batting line up. Youngsters like Ali and Shafiq are now beginning to contribute alongside the more experience Younus and Misbah.

  • on February 9, 2012, 15:59 GMT

    i am 100% agree with cricket_master_mind...and its not new one story..an every defeated they make excuses like these...

  • BowledYa on February 9, 2012, 15:42 GMT

    Pakistan fans should chill out and understand that this is how the western media behaves. They have to create controversies to sell papers. Surely just relating the bad news of the English team losing is not worthy of a good read, but the England team losing because they were cheated, well that will bring them readership. My advice is for Ajmal and the Pak management to stop commenting on this issue and just refer the questions to ICC - case closed.

  • on February 9, 2012, 15:27 GMT

    I personally think Ajmal's action is fine & his bowling great and I am an England fan. Pakistan played better & deserved to win. England's batsmen are too reluctant to leave the crease to get to the pitch of his deliveries & this allowed Ajmal to get a rhythm & bowl a perfect length & almost perfect line. Well done Pakistan. Badly done England's batsmen & batting coaches. I'd rather see them getting stumped trying to use their feet & learning what is necessary to dominate a good spinner, than watch them limply blocking deliveries front foot or back. Strauss at times looked like he was batting with a piece of limp celery! Strauss at least did appear to learn in the third test but he still needs to get to the pitch & drive the ball. As for the rest no need to say anything. Broad was our best player of spin!

  • on February 9, 2012, 15:18 GMT

    I don't see many English fans complaining about Ajmal's action. He spent the whole of last summer here - and the fans (both Worcestershire and others) LOVED HIM. Bob Willis and the gutter press may have an issue with him. The rest of us don't. He's a star in performance and attitude...and cricket needs stars.

  • on February 9, 2012, 14:45 GMT

    A case of sour grapes for non-Pakistani fans.. you wish you had a bowler like him.. get over it! sore losers.

  • on February 9, 2012, 14:34 GMT

    No-one from the England team complained about Ajmals action... It was someone else... Andy flower only said if what Ajmal said before was true, it was ridiculous. And the complaint about Ajmals action came before the first test so saying they are only complaining about it now because they got flogged is Nonsense

  • on February 9, 2012, 14:25 GMT

    Fantastic George Dobell!! Ajmal is the best spinner right now in the world.

  • Bagihogaya on February 9, 2012, 13:50 GMT

    OMG. So much jealousy and narrow mind views form 90% people. Why can u people except my country team victory with open mind. All i am reading is sub-cont pitches, Pakistan team is bully on green pitches etc. No disrespect to Indian fans but most of them enjoying this victory because they have lost to England not long ago. I am not going to arguing on your comments but instead i will give some facts. I hope it will change your thinking:

    The Dubai weather is almost the opposite from Pakistan.

    Can any hear or see Strauss saying about the pitches. In-fact his bowling side enjoy it more then the other team both fast and spinners all got good ratio of wickets.

  • johntycodes on February 9, 2012, 13:44 GMT

    Everyone involved in cricket knows that every test is phony. When they are tested they aren't under match conditions and never bowl like they do in real matches. Also when the action is so bad like murali the icc will just change the whole angle allowed to accomodate a big name.

  • aahd81 on February 9, 2012, 13:39 GMT

    I don't think Andy Flower made any complaints against Ajmal's actions. He only said if what Ajmal was saying was true then it was quite rightly outrageous. Ajmal's words were misleading and, in a way, they made sure the ICC came out and cleared him one again...which is great in the context of what he recently achieved. Kudos to Ajmal for the way he bowled. Although he should get some language training to help him communicate better...

  • nareshgb1 on February 9, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    Ajmal is great - far superior to "Saqi" bhai with his "doosra". In fact he totally bends it like Murali - do we need anything more to prove his greatness? or maybe he bends it even more.....all he needs now is the Murali stare and that should add to his weaponry.

  • Cricket_Master_Mind on February 9, 2012, 13:26 GMT

    In Pakistan the is a qoute in urdu '' Nach na jany Angan tera''

    I will try to translate in English '' FAILED / NOT SKILFUL TO dance, complaining GROUND IS UNBALANCE')))))' :)

  • on February 9, 2012, 13:19 GMT

    Well done Cricinfo on clarying the facts!! I believe the BBC and other sensationalist out there should also do the same and not tarnish a well deserved rollicking

  • insightfulcricketer on February 9, 2012, 13:18 GMT

    In my opinion more than Ajmal it is the batting of Azhar Ali,Shafiq and Hafeez at crucial times which was the reason of this win.They augur very well for Test cricket's future. Regarding spinners all I can say is unless you use your feet against them you will be doomed on dry pitches sooner or later.It was appaling to see that all English players were playing from the crease mostly. Bell was one player who uses his feet but he was diffident right through the series.

  • 200ondebut on February 9, 2012, 13:02 GMT

    His arm in the picture above seems very straight to me? This of course contradicts the comment that he can't straighten it.

    That said he doesn't chuck it anymore or less than the likes of Walsh, Botha, Brett Lee and other well documented bowlers. You shouldn't blame the players - it's the idiots running the game who need to be brought to account. It's not too complicated -- as stated in the report - just too uncomfortable for the ICC to discuss.

  • on February 9, 2012, 13:01 GMT

    I don't know why we r still having this argument. If u can't bowl with a straight arm then u shouldn't be playing. Also we don't need to lose the doosra from the game-Saqlain managed it with a straight arm!

  • on February 9, 2012, 12:56 GMT

    The England players actually did not appeal against the bowling action of Saeed Ajmal it was their coaches who had the problem...maybe it was because they can retain their jobs....

  • on February 9, 2012, 12:43 GMT

    England shoud accept their DEFEAT!! these all are lame excuses. Ok lets talk about the batting. Not a single english bowler showed a required technique that is the essence of the TEST cricket as you could witnessed in case of Azhar Ali in a couple of occasions where english team showed in a panic while making runs. True No. 1 team should be able to paly all around the world and not just there own wickets. In the end I must say all credit goes to PAKISTAN TEAM, not only Ajmal and finally whats wrong with the action of Abdur Rehman How come he took that number of wickets? ENGLAND please accept your defeat more graciously.

  • on February 9, 2012, 12:42 GMT

    Good report by ESPNCricinfo.... keep it up!!!

  • Stumps1968 on February 9, 2012, 12:37 GMT

    I've followed enough sport in England to know that the press does 2 things when the national side loses. 1 - Claim the English team is rubbish and fail to give the opponents any credit. 2 - Calim that there must have been something underhand going. The average England fan knows we were beaten by the better team, the press will always come up with an excuse.

  • on February 9, 2012, 12:22 GMT

    I dont know why it is the top headline still. It has been clarified end of story. Media loves to develop any controversy.

  • on February 9, 2012, 12:20 GMT

    Who cares!? The records say 3-0. Did you all hear it?? THREEEEEE-ZEROO..!!! I wish his arm start bending 200 degrees now :-D

  • on February 9, 2012, 12:17 GMT

    Anyone remember the reverse swing fiasco?

  • Cric-enthusiast on February 9, 2012, 12:17 GMT

    How many more proofs are required to show that England can't play spin in conditions that help the slow bowlers! ... The ECB should try and schedule as many matches as possible outside Asia to ensure that it remains in the top 5 or 6 cricket playing nations? ...Their rise to No. 1 is a statistical jugglery, much more than that of even India who at least were able to show some semblance of world domination, even though it was in the other format, the ODIs, which England are NEVER going to win. Ha ha ha...

  • wablo55 on February 9, 2012, 11:55 GMT

    Why is it that every time an English side is found to be woefully inadequate against a particular brand of bowling or bowler, they immediately claim that the opponent is cheating, or at a minimum, the master of some kind of mystery art? The whole thing reeks of so much post-colonial racism its embarrassing. Never in history has a team been able to lose as ungraciously as the English. Windies in the 70s, Pakistan in the 80s, Murali in the 90s, and now Pakistan again.

  • on February 9, 2012, 11:51 GMT

    lolz this shows his awesome English skillz oh i mean skills :P :P :P :P

  • mar2000 on February 9, 2012, 11:50 GMT

    It is IMPOSSIBLE for an off-spinner to legally bowl that mistry ball .The ICC "BEND" the rules to accomadate these actions from these "NEW" bowlers .Being an off-spinner all of my cricket playing days and when a "GENUINE" bowling action was required , if such action was interduce the square leg Impuire would have been calling NO-BALL at will with and out stretch arm .

  • on February 9, 2012, 11:24 GMT

    The smaller test countries nations are subjected to ridicule when they whitewash a bigger test playing team. It was done to the West Indies when we had fast bowlers. England should stop gripe and admit that they were beaten soundly.

  • on February 9, 2012, 11:13 GMT

    8 Degrees MAX - I think its pretty straight forward, not sure why the ICC thinks its too complicated, give the fans a little more credit please.

  • on February 9, 2012, 10:58 GMT

    We are blowing our victory over on Team England out of proportion. Our team hero Saeed Ajmal opened his big mouth unnecessarily and invited a not welcome controversy. Team management should not allow any player to interact with the media whether the domestic or international. The sense should prevail at least in domestic media about the delicacy of the matter and leave the players away from controversies.

  • jackiethepen on February 9, 2012, 10:54 GMT

    To be fair Ajmal raised the issue because he said he had special dispensation from the ICC because he had had an accident to his arm. Whether a bent arm gives you an advantage I am not competent to judge but for the ICC to say it is too complicated to explain is quite ridiculous. There are plenty of experts out there who want to be told.

  • jokerbala on February 9, 2012, 10:49 GMT

    He will be just like Muralitharan , getting a truck load of wickets but no respect at the end of the day.

  • tumbleweed on February 9, 2012, 10:39 GMT

    Andy Flowers complaint about Ajmal is SOUR GRAPES. He is very good at making outrageous excuses, such as, UNDERCOOKED, NOT READY etc. He was hailed as a hero when England become No 1 playing in England on English pitches and the usual moisture and cloud cover conditions under which the English bowlers thrive. The UAE is a neutral venue and if England are to be No 1 they have to win in any situation. Flower complains about everything - the DRS, Umpiring Decisions that go against England, but his real talent is to whine. He will be found out soon like all his predecessors

  • on February 9, 2012, 10:38 GMT

    Facts are simple, the sub-continent run ICC changed the laws to allow players like him & Murli to play cricket.

    George Giffen played 50 years to early !

  • on February 9, 2012, 10:26 GMT

    England dont know how 2 play spin. its as simple as that. its irony that andy lfower who was so successful in subcontinent is unable 2 make his boy's learn to play spin. As for ajmal he is no doubt a good spinner but his 'teesra' is debatable.His arm action does appear suspect when seen in slow motion but its within d icc rules. Somebody righty said-'rules r meant 2 b broken'.

  • on February 9, 2012, 10:19 GMT

    if ajmal is england or australia blower than has action will ok.but he is player of pakistan and england are playing her ball properly that is main problem. i think england need to try how to play ajmal boll not try to cmnt about action.....

  • on February 9, 2012, 10:17 GMT

    When we perform things like this come about. it will go away in few weeks

  • CricPatriot on February 9, 2012, 10:11 GMT

    George Dobell

    Thank you for clarification, just wanted to say something to chandu_sistla, mind your own business, I am pretty sure you must be Indian - Enjoy your misery by the hand of Australians. Great Job Pakistan, keep the good sprit up and ignore the losers..

  • teacher3469 on February 9, 2012, 10:09 GMT

    It really does taste of sour grapes! Do we all remember that 1992 series when Wasim and Waqar were castigated as cheats because of aball tampering. Now they are called greats. Murali was also ridiculed but is considered great now as well. The simple fact is that the English media have a real hang up when former colonies from the Indian Sub cointinent beat them- sorry hammer them! A scapegoat is being looked for and Ajmal fits the bill even though he has been playing test cricket for over 6 years!

  • dickiebrewsters on February 9, 2012, 10:07 GMT

    I don't believe he throws or that if he does that is the reason England lost the series, but the photo on this page clearly shors that he can fully straighten his arm

  • on February 9, 2012, 10:06 GMT

    I think its better for ajmal to talk in urdu rather english, coz confusion occured when you talk in the language you don't have fully command so better talk in our own language. English man always criticised the players fron whon they frightened and use dirty tactics this is their history so better be shut up by performance.

  • swat1999 on February 9, 2012, 10:06 GMT

    Please dont confuse this gentleman. He is really a good human being and telented bowler. Just lets him perform. Only people scare to face him only tak nonsense about him. he is a great bowler after M.M in Srilanka.

  • shmsa on February 9, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    When Someone is Getting High Rank in any field from PAKISTAN, Everyone Pulling The legs !!

  • NDAkhtar on February 9, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    This is not an issue but only the accusation of the English media against a start performer. They just can't digest the defeat and now they are finding some lame excuse for the satisfaction. A good thing on the part of ICC and ESPNCricinfo is that they have dispelled these allegations.

  • on February 9, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    No Problem Ajmal's action. Unfortunately Pak Vs Eng series has never been free of controversial issues.

  • cric.info. on February 9, 2012, 9:59 GMT

    @Janak Dahal on (February 08 2012, 17:53 PM GMT), way back in my childhood i also disliked anyone breaking my toys, England were broken in a same fashion by Ajmal. but applause now, we are grown up.

  • on February 9, 2012, 9:58 GMT

    Murali's law:

    "The illegality of a spinner's action is directly proportional to the number of wickets he takes of opponents in a series.

    Thats it for A. Flower and English media.

  • on February 9, 2012, 9:49 GMT

    Thanks for clearing the points, Really appreciated this column.

  • on February 9, 2012, 9:44 GMT

    When Malinga & Murali can bowl with apprent action problems why not Saeed Ajmal with nothing succeptable. A Rauf

  • on February 9, 2012, 9:43 GMT

    icc should impliment as a rule, if anyplayers having naturally banded arm, they should be banned in bowling in international matches . if they practice as a rule in cricket, they probloems never occur again, they are somany peoples with straight arms , so they can taken in to bowling camp, rather than picking this bende arm people and finding excuses

  • on February 9, 2012, 9:40 GMT

    Thanks for the clarification. I hope its clear to English media and all haters of Pakistan Cricket Team.

  • FIPL on February 9, 2012, 9:40 GMT

    Totally agreed with "Raja.Khurram". 20 years back when Javaid Miandad started playing reverse sweep. The English Media called it cheating as he changed his stance. Now look at Ian Bell & Eion Morgan they play reverse sweep and the English called it an ART. Please stop being MORAN and work on how to play spin well

  • Theadilahmad on February 9, 2012, 9:32 GMT

    Well, thats a proof to all English and of course our beloved Indian fans that Saeed Ajmal's bowling is within limits. So, continue the fuss, but in vain.

  • on February 9, 2012, 9:30 GMT

    this is great story with good infromation.

  • on February 9, 2012, 9:26 GMT

    English media gets some stick, as it should - it's AWFUL. But half the issues llie firmly at Pakistans own doorstep (3 players from the last series went to prison for cheating lets not forget). No member of the public I speak to has an issue with his action. The issue is England coaches at EVERY LEVEL from grass roots upwards refuse to allow any bowler with a kink in their action within 5 miles of a cricket pitch. We never face doosras, we never coach doosras, our system is 100% "anti doosra". So while the world moves on and new skills are developed, the ECB runs around shouting "not listening...not listening" with their eyes shut and their fingers firmly in their ears , and Giles Clark starts making ill informed waffle statements about internet march piracy rather than dealing with systematic grass roots failure of the product he's in charge of developing and promoting. SACK GILES CLARK, AND BOB WILLIS ...PLEASE SHUT UP! The world has moved on, 15 degrees is allowed, end of story.

  • khan_g50 on February 9, 2012, 9:09 GMT

    British must be ashamed of themselves for being so childish, what's wrong with Ajmal if u dont know to play

  • on February 9, 2012, 9:05 GMT

    I will second Raja.Khurram. Well said!

  • satish619chandar on February 9, 2012, 9:04 GMT

    Good to see someone coming in and producing a article with proof.. Rather than going with speculations and reports from unauthorized sources.. These days i see more clear information in espncricinfo.. Unless it is official, these guys never come and post it in their sites.. Saeed Ajmal's interview was a blemish though.. If i read any reported news on cricket anywhere, i will rather wait it to appear in cricinfo to believe in it as official one.. Good job guys to clear the air..

  • on February 9, 2012, 9:04 GMT

    Ajmal is a class apart whatever said about his action....every street of india and pakistan has spinners like swann or monty panesar....this is the fact poms....FACE IT..... Prem, India

  • pak94fan on February 9, 2012, 9:02 GMT

    I find it funny how some people still have the nerve to question his action. If there is proof of it's legality, what more do you guys want? Ajmal's action is within the laws of the ICC and unless the laws are changed, I don't see any reason why anyone should question him. (Some) English people here are complaining that he bowls with a bent arm or whatever, well, guess what, IT'S WITHIN THE LAW. You can teach your bowlers the same 'art' too, you know, if you can manage or figure it out. I won't pretend to know the technicalities and all, but if it's proven to be legal, that is all that matters. We all know what happened with the reverse swing allegations, wonder what will happen here. Either way, to my fellow Pakistanis, guys, please keep calm and ignore negative comments and cherish Pakistan's victory. English fans, please get over the allegations and focus on the fact that your players need to learn to play spin better. Good luck against Sri Lanka and India.

  • ranjithrissur on February 9, 2012, 9:00 GMT

    england is not great team sure,else atleast 1 test could be avoided from defeat,atleast a draw.indians dont know well in pacy bouncy tracks,england never know to play in slow track.But england is best team. how this happens?????????

  • Witty_Cricketer on February 9, 2012, 8:59 GMT

    I like Saeed Ajmal's bowling as much as anybody, but I am not convinced about this action, all ICC have to do with this doubtful action bowlers, is to ask them to bowl in half sleeve shirts. Every bowler who has a doubtful action always wears a full sleeve t-shirt. Let Ajmal bowl in one match at least with a half sleeve T-shirt, let people make up their own mind. Legality is an different issue altogether.

  • chandu_sistla on February 9, 2012, 8:52 GMT

    England was troubled many times by Shane Warne, Anil Kumble and many other bowlers. Why there is no single controversy against them. Let's stop blaming English media. Fact is we are jealous of English because they beat us 4-0. Regarding Pakistanis credibility, the less said the better.

  • on February 9, 2012, 8:44 GMT

    i dunno y.........bt whneva ny asian cricketer tks wickets f england team.......he s just reprimanded fr wrong bowlin action............earlier evn murlitharan ws reprimanded just b'coz f his bowlin action fr years.............whr he ws totally innocent...........n nw 'ts ajmal.........wl.....i just hp dat deez typ f reprimandations wither 'way frm our society or 2 b precise.......our world.......!!!!!!

  • homesamigo on February 9, 2012, 8:41 GMT

    Thank you for the clarification.

  • Raja.Khurram on February 9, 2012, 8:22 GMT

    In the next 20 years, English will learn to bowl doosra as well - and then it will be called an art!!!

  • on February 9, 2012, 7:59 GMT

    Even! I was suspicious about Ajmal's action. But now cleared. Thank you ESPN Cricinfo :)

  • on February 9, 2012, 7:55 GMT

    pakistan beats england,pakistan,there is lot of controversy,pakistan loses from england also there is lot of controversy, what is the problem with england media?

  • SyedArbabAhmed on February 9, 2012, 7:50 GMT

    Bob Willis did you read this?

  • katsunn on February 9, 2012, 7:42 GMT

    this is definately not an issue. He's a good bowler, why cant people ignore the irrelevant and minute details and enjoy the bowling?

  • chapathishot on February 9, 2012, 7:38 GMT

    This is getting ridiculous, the English are commenting as if only because of Ajmal they lost,It is because of the so called modern day greats like cook,trott,bell etc who look clueless against spinners all and sundry they have lost.To be more particular a partime spinner who rarely bowls for his state side {Manoj Tiwari} took wickets against England in last one day in India when they were cruising against the pacers and the media started intial tweets aboust avaiding whitewash

  • KukaSekhon on February 9, 2012, 7:28 GMT

    I am neutral but any time a Gora team is thrashed they find problems with the bowlers i.e. Murlidharan, Ajmal,.....Gora's can't play spin and are very bad losers be it Australia, England, ........

  • on February 9, 2012, 7:25 GMT

    It is a pity that when Pakistan win the series/match, there wil always be issues about their win. What is wrong with Ajmal's bowing? Spinners are always a beauty to watch.

  • on February 9, 2012, 7:19 GMT

    I think when media interviews man of the match and know that the lad can't speak English properly, why ask him difficult questions? I would like to see the interviewer learn a few words in the players native language and then try to ask him difficult questions.

  • on February 9, 2012, 7:16 GMT

    Thanks so much for putting this issue to rest once and for all George.

  • on February 9, 2012, 7:08 GMT

    Why am I not surprised?! It's always one excuse or another with the English media and some of the present and old players. Why cannot they admit that they were beaten fair and square by a more talented and driven team which included one of the greatest off-spinners game ha seen? Yes they beat India 4-0 and we have beaten them 3-0 and India were also beaten by the Aussies 4-0, which makes me wonder how good is India? Well played green shirts/

  • Kamcricfan on February 9, 2012, 6:54 GMT

    To all pakistani cricket fans !!! please don't let anyone kill your pleasure, keep enjoying the historic victory. good luck Pakistan.

  • on February 9, 2012, 6:50 GMT

    Well Guys, this has been a history of English Team that they can digest the defeats, specially from Asians. Some times they blamed to the actions of spinner like Murali, some times they blame to the reverse swings of 2 W's, Imran Khan & Kapil Dev. Sometimes they raise the issues of ball tampering despite of the fact that Pakistani Bowlers can do the reverse swing on the very first ball as well. They always wanted to trap the players who cannot speak English like they have done with the Ajmal this time. For an instance, if we consider that Ajmal was delivering a ball with a wrong action, what was batsmen doing overthere, you have uploaded a Vdo of KP on youtube that he can play a shot without even seeing a ball but he can't play the doosra. They are the lions at their own field. They will never ever have sporting spirit in them to accept a defeat. They are only prejudiced but the cricket lovers in England are not. They always appreciate the players who performed.

  • smartguy786 on February 9, 2012, 6:47 GMT

    Thanks for clarifications too many so called "experts" were giving their views but the debate will not go away but your educating the viewers is great!

  • Baber_Baloch on February 9, 2012, 6:42 GMT

    england team and andi flower need to play good cricket....not a arguments like kids

    please cricket is game just enjoy ...win & lose part of game ...england is not bad team they should come back by best paly not...bad......

  • asithaSL on February 9, 2012, 6:42 GMT

    This is totally normal situation.., Coz, if someone from subcontinent shows his true talents which is soo difficult to tolerate the guys from western countries. England had no answers against Ajmal, so they r trying to stop him.. Ajmal is a very good bowler, once Mahela told, it's really difficult to read him. Go Ajmal.. well-done man... All da best..!!

  • akshayasiri on February 9, 2012, 6:35 GMT

    Why there is a problem and issues when England are whitewashed. When they did it for India in their own conditions, they said England is NO.1. If you want to be No.1 then you have to play well in subcontinent. Great bowling by Ajmal and great batting by Pak batsmen(especially, Misbah and younis). Great captaincy by Misbah. I am an Indian fan. Respect the game, who ever plays well will win the game.

  • Satv007 on February 9, 2012, 6:28 GMT

    Haha...when someone from sub continent experiments a varition within the limits and if effective the english press will be the first one to criticise it. Let them find ways to play spin and exhibit it.

  • OhPakistan on February 9, 2012, 6:22 GMT

    Many Thanks and appreciate your work & clarifying the "crux of the matter".

  • Kris on February 9, 2012, 6:21 GMT

    I cannot believe this is being made as an issue against England. Firstly, it wasn't England who raised the issue. It was Ajmal himself who started the 23.5 degree theory. So, I think Ajmal should stop talking and continue what he does best.. BOWL! Well done Ajmal.. Great series... Great bowling! I hope Pak cricket revives it glory. Cricket fan from INDIA!

  • on February 9, 2012, 6:09 GMT

    Thanks ESPN for providing clarification.

  • on February 9, 2012, 6:03 GMT

    Appretiate your research(concern) over much debated issue...thanks for clearification...Pakistan's glorious victory in 3 Test Series against England is hard for english men to accept...but this is the reality...believe it or not...Brits would have to move on...and work hard on their game instead talking n creating issues. Come on guys(english men)...you can be no1 but with hard work n determination...and same goes for my Pakistan Cricket Team...Well done Pakistan...you deserve this MASSIVE victory!!!

  • Chestnutgrey on February 9, 2012, 5:40 GMT

    If you think this is bad, wait till he plays Australia.

  • on February 9, 2012, 5:37 GMT

    first i say that Pakistan win the Series, and i m so happy. but if we talk about England defeat then we realize that there bating (mistakes), which become a top factor for there loss of test matches. if they learn there mistakes, i m sure we must enjoy all of 3 test matches, where both batting side fight for win as there bowlling do. but i also encourage England bowling which based on Broad , Monty & Anderson and bowl very well and destroy the PAK batting in mostly innings. they through great and Excellent spells of Bowling.Specially when they restrict Pakistan Batting line up on 99 runs on 4th test (in first inning). but if we talk about Batting lineup of England, I have no name to show to you,that take responsibility of there position. if you see the Highlights of test Matches you see that all of the England batsman through there wickets in air every where. if they show little bit Interruption in front of Pak bowling, Im sure they will win 2nd test match easily.

  • on February 9, 2012, 5:26 GMT

    He had played England before wonder why this issue was not raised.

  • on February 9, 2012, 4:58 GMT

    The action was very fine when mike hussy thrashed ajmal with two 4s and four 6's in the semi final of t20 WC.

    When he took 7 wickets english media pointed at his bowling action!

    One man two perceptions.

  • Chestnutgrey on February 9, 2012, 4:47 GMT

    If you think this is bad, wait till he plays Australia.

  • adeelbashir23 on February 9, 2012, 4:33 GMT

    Thanx alot ICC and Cricinfo on transpirency

  • johnathonjosephs on February 9, 2012, 4:18 GMT

    @radioactivebob and that is why they don't disclose the actions in detail, because its too complicated for the masses. Being a science major in a top 30 school in the United States, i found a website on analyzing bowling and how to call for chucking, and even I was bamboozled for a while. took quite a bit of researching and understanding of physics laws to get a somewhat good glimpse of it. Now that I am enlightened, when I hear people talking about "chucking" and bending, they really have no idea what they are talking about and slight chucking is almost impossible to determine by the naked eye (could be part of shape of arm/elbow, illuisions, etc), thats why they need to do tests. The funniest part is, that chucking is actually a bigger problem with fast bowlers and most spinners fall under the 10 degree (old rule) quite easily. Ajmal has 8 degrees, while Murali had 9 degrees (both under old 10 degree law). Its folly to try to argue, just take the ICC's word for it

  • on February 9, 2012, 4:12 GMT

    Thanks to all people and fans of English team who appreciate Pakistan team, its a game now we will enjoy one days and T20 as well lets time to go there.....

  • on February 9, 2012, 4:00 GMT

    At least one thing is encouraging, despite the usual crying from a section of english that we pakistanis are so used to now, the most concerned people here and there handled the situation wisely and that is why we are having a good series so far

  • on February 9, 2012, 3:53 GMT

    Now looking for excuses. England is whitewased so accept it. A bad worker always blames his tools.Anyway say what they may Pakistan have beaten No.1 England by 3-0

  • netgrouchy on February 9, 2012, 3:50 GMT

    Who needs English to play cricket!!!! His bowling speaks ALL languages!!! Well done Pakistan in my backyard!!! Entertaining cricket and excellent commentary!

  • Malret on February 9, 2012, 3:46 GMT

    No excuses for anyone now..

  • jango_moh on February 9, 2012, 3:37 GMT

    @jimmy2s...... how wud tendulkar do?? he would do what he did to MR SHANE WARNE post which warne had nightmares!!!! Saeed ajmal is an awesome spinner, but ENG played like novices, and his exacerbated the whole thing... ill give u the "india are bad against swing/pace" rhetoric... but not against spin....

  • Meety on February 9, 2012, 2:49 GMT

    @jonesy2 - or when Shakib rips them apart for an historic clean sweep! LOL! @OhhhMattyMatty - LOL! Even if it was @ 23degrees, Ian Bell couldn't pick it! LOL!

  • inzisaloos on February 9, 2012, 2:40 GMT

    Great article. If only the ICC had been more forthcoming when previous controversies emerged about the legality regarding the bowling actions of other prominent players such as Murali, Shoaib AKhtar, and Harbhajan. they could have put to bed all the misinformed comments from all the doubters then too. People can say what they like but they cannot hide from the science. Anything else is sheer ignorance. HIS ACTION IS LEGAL! Deal with it, and try and figure out a way to play him!

  • Kaze on February 9, 2012, 2:24 GMT

    Lol everytime England lose they complain about someone. I remember during the 2007 whitewash Aus gave them they claimed that Ponting's batting was enhanced by a sticker on the bat.

  • on February 9, 2012, 2:08 GMT

    It was predictable that England would want to question Ajmal's bowling action after the first test. This article proves he's doing nothing wrong. Ajmal has already been cleared by the ICC in 2009 using 3D CAMERAS

  • ZsZs on February 9, 2012, 2:05 GMT

    Thanks Cricinfo. It is good to hear real fact finding Journalism. Ajmal said it so nicely and jovially - and people react negatively. Give the man a break, wink, off-break! Hah

  • shahbazsiddiqui on February 9, 2012, 1:45 GMT

    mind your tongue.....!!!!he prefer his national language that was URDU not english .......i think you and england jealous ......ooooooo.....WHITEWASH.........NEXT TIME BE CAREFULL ABOUT CHAMPS.BY BY.......

  • johnathonjosephs on February 9, 2012, 1:19 GMT

    Smart to not go into more details because throwing is very complicated and many people (aussies in particular) just take one look at it, don't understand a single word, and complain that people "changed the rules". Face it guys, the ICC are professionals and are professionally trained to do this. If they say he is cleared, then he is cleared. And not anybody can dispute that unless they are qualified and have the education to back it. Murali, Akhtar, and Ajmal are NOT chuckers since they have been cleared

  • AidanFX on February 9, 2012, 1:02 GMT

    "The ICC is reluctant to discuss bowling actions in detail because officials fear the subject is too complicated to explain." ... That is my favourite Dot point - well done ICC - anyways just leave the guy alone he is like a little kid (only in his 30s); First bowler since Warne to completely mystify batsmen - good for the game. Just as long as he is kept in check all good.

  • radioactiverob on February 9, 2012, 0:43 GMT

    @wc1992 - has it ever occurred to you that the reason there have been so many complaints is because many bowlers from your team have pushed to the limit of the regulations? I've seen a spell from Shoaib Aktar to Stephen Fleming where there was an obvious extension of the arm during his bowling. Was it within the limits, who knows, but it is the right of the other team to question it, and I think umpires should be no-balling bowlers for this every now and again to let the bowler know they are pushing the limit of their arm extensions. @ Tezmond, I agree with you - I doubt whether spinners like Murali and Ajmal would be as effective if they bowled with a straight arm like Vettori. A bent and slight straightening of the arm allows more flick/spin to be imparted upon the ball.

  • Dr_Van_Nostrand on February 9, 2012, 0:43 GMT

    Oh please. The ICC's damage control PR machine is in full swing.

  • on February 9, 2012, 0:10 GMT

    thanks cricinfo and ICC.. now English team and fans can stop crying and start playing spinners.

  • on February 8, 2012, 23:47 GMT

    Why so much importance to this when he is already cleared by the ICC. Its even not an controversy which media including cricinfo is trying to make one by giving it unnecessary attention. Leave such matters to ICC, when they have not raised any objection over his action than why such a hue and cry? Lets move on with it and give this crap a rest and who cares if any Bob Willis or anyone has probs with Ajmal's action.

  • jonesy2 on February 8, 2012, 23:44 GMT

    england have no shame do they? he bowled the same way before he tore the poms to shreds you know. dont remember australia complaining about his action after mike hussey had destroyed him in the t20 semi or when they whitewashed them in 09/10. obviously he has improved since then but cmon england are you going to question nathan lyon's action when he cleans you up in the next ashes series? or imran tahirs when he topples you this winter?

  • dnarmstrong on February 8, 2012, 23:37 GMT

    I was taught to keep your arm straight when you bowl. Ajmal throws it too often.

  • OhhhMattyMatty on February 8, 2012, 23:37 GMT

    Ajmal's 23 degree delivery was the only one taking wickets.

  • on February 8, 2012, 23:34 GMT

    Whining poms.Heard of it before or no?

  • Aura123 on February 8, 2012, 22:53 GMT

    haha lol i love this comments , i was laughing on the floor lol

    Posted by SirEnglad on (February 08 2012, 20:31 PM GMT) Oh dear! Bob Willis and Andy Flower report to my office immediately! U cannot let this happen. We desperately need excuses. Come up with something fast and get the tabloids onto it ASAP.

  • Pull-shot on February 8, 2012, 22:46 GMT

    Thanks Good This Is Resolved Because The English Media Was Looking For Excuses For The WhiteWash!!!!

  • wrenx on February 8, 2012, 22:39 GMT

    @Thomas J. Jones This was not too difficult for most people to understand - was the language too confusing? I myself find the ICC rules to be straightforward and simple. @Janak Dahal thanks for that, we all needed a chuckle. Your argument was flawless - following on from it, let's see how good Tendulkar is when he has to use a stick of celery to cover drive a tornado past a herd of rabid rhinos on the Sea of Tranquility during the waxing gibbous moon. India had their hands full with Nathan Lyon on seaming pitches, there's no telling what Ajmal would do to them on the 5th day at a dustbowl. Just need to see if the BCCI has the courage to agree to play a series against Pakistan - India are the side that keep saying no.

  • Desisd on February 8, 2012, 22:37 GMT

    Leave the poor guy alone, He cant speak English.

  • wc1992 on February 8, 2012, 22:16 GMT

    Since i can remember there has been this issues between Pak and ENG, AUS , SA and even NZ...its started with umpire Dicky bird , Shaperd........and with Sarfraz Imran WASIM, Waqar , Sohaib ..... NOW Ajmal ...that's what make this WIN even MORE ENJOABLE.......Bob Will also Wanted UMAR GULL to be BANNED for 5 YEARS for taking WICKETS in this TRACK

  • on February 8, 2012, 21:56 GMT

    A raisin Star in the making, surely world is waiting for his magic ahead

  • on February 8, 2012, 21:49 GMT

    Ajmal's simplicity caused some confusion. His comments were uncalled for. Pakistani team was not briefed how to behave with the press. Pakistani players are not trained to be careful in giving talking to media and not to go in technicalities just give simple and plain statements. It is Board's and manager's responsibility. They can diplomatically avoid such questions.

  • tezmond on February 8, 2012, 21:45 GMT

    still it gives him an advantage an skill he couldnt do with a straight arm.

    take away the bent arm he would be average.vettori is the best slow bolwer considering he doesnt turn it or throw,and he still bamboozles players with guile,loop,drift.

  • Jayco on February 8, 2012, 21:44 GMT

    The ICC says that bowling is too complicated to explain? Come on, ICC, we're not idiots. Don't treat us as such. If it's complicated, then that's just the way it is. Have a complicated discussion. By treating people as stupid you just inflame the issue. In fact, it's offensive that you consider the average cricket fan to be less intelligent than you. We own the game, ICC, not you. You just administer it. You're just too lazy or stupid yourselves to hold a complicated discussion.

  • the_sport on February 8, 2012, 21:42 GMT

    If total degree limit is of 15 deg, then it should be for everybody. If saeed's hand is not straight and can be striaghten till 8 deg only then should NOT be like 8 + 15 deg. Above 15 deg bowler gets advantage.

  • cricjet on February 8, 2012, 21:41 GMT

    Ajmal played against England earlier. England won and nobody complained. This becomes a huge deal after England is whitewashed. Is England trying to blame others for the loss?

    Ajmal played against Australia, South Africa, India, Sri Lanka too but his action was never an issue.

  • yorkslanka on February 8, 2012, 21:39 GMT

    ridiculous, this is just another excuse becuase he does well on the pitch...just like murali had for all those years..incidentally,it is the media bringing this up NOT the England players so at least the players dont want to make lame excuses...good on them for that...

  • on February 8, 2012, 21:33 GMT

    @ Thomas J Jones. Why not take your issue with his bowling to the Professor at the University of Western Australia where his bowling was tested in detail 3 years ago. If that fails perhaps the ICC should be petitioned to change their rules.

  • radioactiverob on February 8, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    I feel there is a lot of patriotism in this discussion blinding people to the facts. Bowlers were technically not allowed to straighen their arm. However, we have seen many bowlers who do to some degree, and it would seem that there is some advantage to this as it allows a little flick to be imparted upon the ball. There is no doubt Ajmal is a great cricketer and it is good to have the skill/excitement he brings to the game. But I agree with Bob Willis: Eng, and some other countries, have traditionally not had issues with spinners bending their arms (although there have been some exceptions), and if it confers an advantage to spinning then those countries should change their approach and teach their spinners how to bowl within the ICC limits so that they also produce exciting spinners (which is good for test cricket). So you should all accept that there are bowlers (not just spinners) who contravene the original laws, but the laws have been changed/created to allow for a greater game.

  • nat099 on February 8, 2012, 21:25 GMT

    OK answer me this then Ajmal fans. Up until about a year ago Ajmal (age 34) had played few tests and had a bowling average of c. 35 (nothing special at all). In the past year or so he has taken a stack of wickets at a very low average. Now, his bowling action was examined and eventually cleared in 2009. Coincidence?

  • D.V.C. on February 8, 2012, 21:21 GMT

    @Thomas J. Jones: The laws have never banned bowling with a bent arm, only a straightening one. I can bowl with my arm at 90 degrees if I want, so long as I don't straighten it during my bowling action.

  • D.V.C. on February 8, 2012, 21:19 GMT

    "The ICC is reluctant to discuss bowling actions in detail because officials fear the subject is too complicated to explain." Cricket's audience is broad. While some of us might not understand there are those of us who will and would appreciate the effort. Saying 'oh you won't understand,' is very patronising.

  • doctornikki on February 8, 2012, 21:18 GMT

    am really enjoying how english fans want some excuses..ha ha ha..my sympathies with them..how can they believe their great batsmen had to bite the dust from ex-spot fixers..he he he

  • on February 8, 2012, 21:18 GMT

    look nothing is wrong with the his bowling ever time a bowler mash up a english or aus team it brings a problem england should just go home and pratice that all

  • on February 8, 2012, 21:17 GMT

    guys England needs to work on "teesra" (third one after dusra) now :D

  • on February 8, 2012, 20:51 GMT

    The debate starts when England losses. That's what I've seeing since my childhood. C'mon, show some Sportsman Spirit.

  • on February 8, 2012, 20:48 GMT

    lananad , Yes he is 34. He is still fresh and has plenty of life in him. At least another 5 years of him left I am sure which is plenty of cricket. Pakistan is always producing good spin bowlers. Mushtaq Ahmed, Saqlain Mushtaq, Danish Kaneria to name some of the recent past.

  • SirEngland on February 8, 2012, 20:31 GMT

    Oh dear! Bob Willis and Andy Flower report to my office immediately! U cannot let this happen. We desperately need excuses. Come up with something fast and get the tabloids onto it ASAP.

  • More.blocks.than.a.leggo.box on February 8, 2012, 20:15 GMT

    You can't close pandora's box so now we have these really difficult analysis to make as bowlers push the envelope even more.

  • on February 8, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    @Thomas J. Jones lets make this clear for you... you have always been able to bowl with a bent arm check most of the fast bowlers (brett lee being a good example... as long as it doesnt change by 15%.... most of the umpires and players already know this

  • pak78 on February 8, 2012, 20:12 GMT

    thanks george well explained, but i still love his interviwes hope pcb dnt ban him with his interviews in english and just urdu pleas please in english as i and millions others love his beatifull smile and that english accent. what a bowler cant wait 4 the odis.

  • lananad on February 8, 2012, 20:04 GMT

    Ajmal is already 34 years old. I am wondering where he was hiding all these years??

  • Mark00 on February 8, 2012, 20:02 GMT

    Basically it's a bit like Paul Adams of South Africa who bowled with a bent arm except that Adams didn't appear to be straightening it at all. Too bad he never got complete control of his bowling.

  • on February 8, 2012, 19:56 GMT

    I don't think this really clears up anything. From reading this, I wouldn't know if any new bowler did or didn't have an illegal action. If we need to wait for an ICC report to judge a bowler's action, then what are umpires at lower levels supposed to do?

    Once you depart from the simple principle of bowling with a straight arm, then really you are just left with politics & ex post rationalisations. This is probably fine so long as bowling with a bent arm does not convey a significant advantage, but I'm not sure that it doesn't.

  • hhillbumper on February 8, 2012, 19:49 GMT

    didn't this issue arise because of his answers to a media question?

  • Sports4Youth on February 8, 2012, 19:45 GMT

    Moral of the story. If someone is not good in a foreing language, it is better to give an interview in your own language. Lest in the persuit of impressing other, you may make a fool of your self.

  • doctornikki on February 8, 2012, 19:40 GMT

    Saeed ajmal the best spinner in the world...hope Willis will sleep sound now :-)

  • Dilbar786 on February 8, 2012, 19:40 GMT

    Take that english media!!!!!!!!!Saeed bhai you r the BEST!!!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on February 8, 2012, 19:39 GMT

    Ajmal is a Legend in the making. It's a shame that he started his career so late.

  • Mike_McNmara_Lutonligans on February 8, 2012, 19:38 GMT

    ok couple of things..

    Cricinfo did a great job, clearifying through ICC and rest, this is what journalism is about. If BBC was the one to bring up 1.50 footage of ajmal to their website, they should also highlight clearifed matter and acknowledge cricinfo, instead of leaving things in grey smoke.

    I heard what Geoff said in his cricinfo podcast and totally agree to him as Eng should have a long term approach towards 2015. going for Srilanka and India in this year is good approach.

    Pakistan is good side, they have always produced good players, but they can't last for long. We all know kind of things happen in Pakistan, type of political leadership they always have, Long handle pointed out too in his cricinfo blog. Their performance is seasonal, within 7-8 months this team will be crippled again, I am not being biassed but this how issues arise within Pakistan and they wreck. I wish them luck with their game.

    England is coming back real soon. Ausies are doing good too in Coming Back!

  • on February 8, 2012, 19:28 GMT

    thnx cricinfo for providing such valuable info........cheersss

  • LarryZ on February 8, 2012, 19:26 GMT

    One issue resolved - Ajmal's delivery is legal. Now the bigger problem (for everyone not from Pakistan) - how do you keep your wicket against him?

  • on February 8, 2012, 19:25 GMT

    Did England lose the series just because of the bowling action of Saeed Ajmal, funny Bob Willis, english media and other critics.shame, shame and shame

  • wildnaphtha on February 8, 2012, 19:24 GMT

    Its fascinating-how the English media and players subtly tried to destroy the confidence of this bowler. Created a rumor that was unnecessary with statements like ' let ICC do the policing etc' . Now ICC absolved the bowler. Same thing was tried on Harbhajan and Murali but they came out winners. I hope this thing will not be bothering Ajaml everytime he bowls a doosra.

  • on February 8, 2012, 19:21 GMT

    @gkannuchamy only thing that was surprising in that series was poor batting display by English Batsmen...they struggled equally against ajmal n rehman...

  • on February 8, 2012, 19:21 GMT

    ajmal proved he is one of the best off spinner in the world of cricket.

  • on February 8, 2012, 19:15 GMT

    Fabulous work by Cricinfo team, millions of wishes for upcoming work

  • on February 8, 2012, 19:13 GMT

    Fabulous work by the cricinfo team, millions of wishes for upcoming work.

  • pakspin on February 8, 2012, 19:11 GMT

    Please ban Ajmal from cricket, because he is unquestionably the best spinner in the world, but he happens not to be English or Indian, therefore, he must be banned. If he were Indians, all the Indian puppy pundits ( both Indian and international) would be calling him the best spinner of all time.

  • on February 8, 2012, 19:08 GMT

    This is not news. Pointless article.

  • doosra95 on February 8, 2012, 18:58 GMT

    Why do Pakistan team management allow players with a very limited English to come and speak with media with out any persons who is monitoring what the players are sprouting out. when , you know anything a Pakistani player say will be misused not just this Ajmal incident many many times it has happened before and PCB allows this shenanigans to repeat it self, and inflict more self harm and create a sense of suspicion.

    Thank god ICC has clarified the Ajmal situation.

  • on February 8, 2012, 18:56 GMT

    Excellent. Thanks Cricinfo. Let us all move on, shall we?

  • HARIS355 on February 8, 2012, 18:40 GMT

    Thanks for clarifying, I appreciate that... After all, it was a matter of self-respect of our team's wonderful victory over England, and brilliant bowling by Saeed Ajmal. #iDone

  • cric.info. on February 8, 2012, 18:39 GMT

    from which angle will willis interpret is "too complicated to explain". Good luck Ajmal.

  • on February 8, 2012, 18:32 GMT

    you did a great job by doing thus research well done team cricinfo

  • NP_NY on February 8, 2012, 18:25 GMT

    Oh come on. Any time a sub-contient spinner becomes too dominant, someone has to cast doubts on the legitimacy of his actions! He's a great bowler and not so eloquent speaker. We've seen him bowl countless times and there is nothing wrong with his action. Ajmal, keep up the good work - A fan from India.

  • 1egend on February 8, 2012, 18:23 GMT

    Thanks for your article. This is really helpful.

  • on February 8, 2012, 18:23 GMT

    Interesting that Dave Richardson said English is not Ajmal's first language, because as far as my knowledge goes, it isn't even his SECOND language, as that requires some level of fluency that he lacks. We really need a media manager, and in future Misbah should tell his team to stay away from the media sharks. Thankfully, Misbah himself is educated as well as cool, so ideal for press conferences. Our players should demand an interpreter if they must allow themselves to be interviewed. It is not fair that the clever man who was making English batsmen look silly on the field was himself made to look silly just because he's horrible at English.

  • BUTT_093 on February 8, 2012, 18:19 GMT

    Well that should put all the conspiracy theorists to rest ... for now ! I'm afraid people like Bob Willis have the habit of sharing unwanted speculation with the public whenever their team takes a hammering. I think its time to admit that England were outclassed by a quality spin attack backed by a well-rounded Pakistani fast-bowling and batting outfit and when the opposing players on the field say they don't have a problem with his action, I think it pretty much blows the argument in any conspiracy theorist's face. Sorry Bob but these underhanded tactics do not salvage any pride for your countrymen. They rather serve to disseminate suspicions that the English spectators/analysts are spoiled sports which I denounce strongly given the reaction of the Barmy Army in the stands at the end of the 3rd test and the statements of the English team, management, commentators and Sky sports analysts.

  • on February 8, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    He has played one test match against Australia 2/223 was his match statistics. Hasn't played a test against India or South-Africa and he think he can start commenting on ICC. Come on now.

  • on February 8, 2012, 18:06 GMT

    Lovely explanation by Cricinfo...I hope this will end al the controversies against pakistani players . Ajmal isa great blower but please avoid to make any statement in front of media. :) thanks

  • on February 8, 2012, 18:02 GMT

    Sir George Dobell, no words to explain your intelligence. Simple great! I would love if Cricinfo promotes your postition much more higher! Great work SIR.

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:55 GMT

    Batsmen should just play the ball and not worry about how much he bends his arm..

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:54 GMT

    @ CliffM problem is most people dont have a clue however if n doubt George Dobell has done a good job in explaining it for people who need a further explanation.... most players and officials know what the rules are hence the reason no one has questioned it since 2009... you will find it was only the english media who made the who ha about this... even bob willis was only trying to say that more english players should learn to to bowl like this....

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:54 GMT

    Tell him to speak in his mother tongue rather than talking in English which lead several suspicions.

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:53 GMT

    I am not sure why ajmal is talking so much. Once he has to bowl to great batting line up on pitches which give nothing to the spinners, he would be smacked for plenty and he would shut up.

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:52 GMT

    Now conspiracy against Pakistan and Ajmal is over..

  • anuradha_d on February 8, 2012, 17:49 GMT

    you stir it up...without verifying facts..........and when under fire your present in the name of FACTS...what was already and always know....that Ajmal is legal.

    that devoids England of any excuses thouhg :)

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:44 GMT

    Thanks for sharing wonderful information...

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:44 GMT

    I am glad the confusion is over and if there was any doubt it has been cleared. I now hope all cricket lovers recognise Ajmal's talent and appreciate his bowling.

  • KosalaDeSilva on February 8, 2012, 17:40 GMT

    Well I would like to here what now R Raja have to say about Murali...I think he had different opinion before...Now , Still you say is his not the best bowler? ..or still you saying other stories? Strange how many articles they wrote about others but Murali..they just trying to act like he was not there...and never talk about how great he was...

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    next excuse please..................

  • Neutral_analysis on February 8, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    still looking for that ajmal interview, gotta be hilarious like his previous ones. Ajmal rocks!!!! bob willis, strauss, and flower and keep their 'reservations' to themselves, along with the humiliation of the whitewash...*chuckle chukle

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:35 GMT

    very well writen and it should clear all the dust to people always make the reason for the defeat and they should accept it and learn from it instead of making excuss pakistan lost the matches but they learned from their defeats but english media can not take it but i am sure it will be helpful although still some people are looking somthing from this article like it is too complicated to discuss but they should understand that his action is well within the limit which is clearly stated in the article above and it is well explained and cover everything to clear this subject well done cricinfo.

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:30 GMT

    Controversy resolved forever, courtesy Bob Willis :p

  • SyedKabirHussainy on February 8, 2012, 17:28 GMT

    Thanks cricinfo for explaination. He is world class bowler but not so good in replying to media questions.

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:24 GMT

    this happen to murali as well,,,but he became the leading wicket taker in both forms,,,

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:16 GMT

    Bob Willis! I'd love to see you right now.

  • gkannuchamy on February 8, 2012, 17:06 GMT

    Well, the difference is between taking a whopping (and surprisingly) 24 wickets in a test series and none.

  • on February 8, 2012, 17:04 GMT

    Saeed Ajmal is a great bowler plz ICC do not take any action about saeed ajmal because his action is legal...................THANXXXXXXXXX

  • mazhar1 on February 8, 2012, 17:02 GMT

    well done George.. crystal clear!

  • yorkshirematt on February 8, 2012, 17:01 GMT

    Just as we all thought (apart from the english press). Can we just sit back and admire this potential great of the game and watch him develop his game now?

  • Long-Leg on February 8, 2012, 16:56 GMT

    "Too complicated to explain"! Do they think we're thick or something? How hard can it be to give a full explanation? I for one would be fascinated to read the detail. How do they measure angles to the accuracy of half a degree?

  • tanvir1974 on February 8, 2012, 16:50 GMT

    someone want to creat consipracy against a top spinner nothing more.he is similar as many other spinner bowlers in the world e.g,murli,harbhajan etc if anyone again try to do something against saeed ajmal it means he is not a real crickter that is fact.

  • Romenevans on February 8, 2012, 16:46 GMT

    He is a class, creative and self made bowler, who worked really hard to develop his skills. Haters will always hate. Enough said.

  • on February 8, 2012, 16:44 GMT

    and the mystery is over.. on your face willllllis!

  • on February 8, 2012, 16:42 GMT

    Thank You SOOOO much Cricinfo for clearing out all misunderstandings :)

  • on February 8, 2012, 16:41 GMT

    Ah good to hear that.Thanks Mr.Dobell

  • on February 8, 2012, 16:36 GMT

    Thankyou Cricinfo team for providing the facts !!

  • Rakim on February 8, 2012, 16:35 GMT

    +1 Espncricinfo. Thanks for this article. PS: whiners will whine no matter what

  • on February 8, 2012, 16:27 GMT

    Ajmal's action is fine.now this topic should be closed.

  • on February 8, 2012, 16:17 GMT

    thats gud,,,,thnx cricinfo

  • iPakistani on February 8, 2012, 16:15 GMT

    Good Job George Dobell...Highly appreciated

  • on February 8, 2012, 16:08 GMT

    So simple as this, Ajmal is not good at communicating in English since his native language is Urdu. and his statements caused some doubts in our minds. Now this discussion over his bowling action should be closed for good, he obviously played a vital role in making this test series worth watching. If English team management keeps on chirping about his bowling action they will get battering in SL and India as well so better put their focus on providing good coaching to English team. Cheers

  • Chetan__Pandit on February 8, 2012, 16:05 GMT

    Thank you for giving this information.

  • on February 8, 2012, 16:00 GMT

    nice and amazing_ one can't snob the real talent- Pakistanis are full of natural talent! how long will it take to prove it again and again,the world must see it with open and naked eyes.The more you snob,the more we excell.Alhumdullah.Keep it up Pakistan-Long live Pak.

  • bigdhonifan on February 8, 2012, 15:56 GMT

    English and Austraalians always worried about Murali then harbhajan.... Now Saeed Ajmal.... Go ahead Ajmal we are with you!

  • hammadfayyaz on February 8, 2012, 15:51 GMT

    Now its high time that british media should focus on their players technique to play spin than putting debris of their team on non-serious issues.

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:48 GMT

    Informative Article, Thumbs up...

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:48 GMT

    Nice Info It will clear all confusions .

  • LordOfCric on February 8, 2012, 15:47 GMT

    Nothing is wrong with his action, People should realize that he can't speak English......

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:41 GMT

    good to see cricinfo clarifying the issue. everything is alright about his action, go get 'em in the ODIs and T20s too :D

  • Blueangle on February 8, 2012, 15:38 GMT

    Thanks for clarifying the issue Dobell. Pakistani players should refrain from interviewing in languages they are not proficient or comfortable and if its must, then they should use interpreters. Ajmal almost landed himself in trouble and team management should make sure this does not happen in future.

  • CliffM on February 8, 2012, 15:38 GMT

    Did the ICC really say "The ICC is reluctant to discuss bowling actions in detail because officials fear the subject is too complicated to explain."? If so that is outrageous. If their rules are too complicated to explain then they must be amended. How can they expect them to be conformed to if they can't explain them?

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:31 GMT

    Now i hope all those DOUBTERS of ajmal can memorize this article and slap themselves 10 times

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:31 GMT

    Thank you ESPNcricinfo, Pakistan Zindabad!!

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:29 GMT

    We are thankful to ICC and ESPN cricinfo for clearing the doubts created after the Ajmal Interview.

    For sure, PCB has to arrange the language classes for all his international players.

    Thanks again to everyone for clearing the confusion!

    Pakistan Zindabad!!

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:28 GMT

    thanks a lot Mr George Dobell for the report.

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:27 GMT

    Hahahaha now Graeme Swann is nothing compared to Ajmal

  • CricketingMinds on February 8, 2012, 15:22 GMT

    phew....Thanks Cricinfo for the clarifications. It should be taken into account that Ajmal is not fluent with his english (he tries really hard, everyone loves his interviews in english..he should be appreciated for the effort) so a media person should be with these cricketers to ensure that such controversial statements are not sparked based on lack of fluency in english language

  • kazimusman on February 8, 2012, 15:11 GMT

    He is world class bowler and an asset of world cricket, spinners like him just raised the level of cricket.....

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:07 GMT

    Thank you for clarifying the situation.

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:03 GMT

    Better slip with foot than tongue...

  • ABRAR-JANJUA on February 8, 2012, 15:03 GMT

    Thanks for these information and definitely it will erase controversy and confusion about his action...

  • khurramsch on February 8, 2012, 14:59 GMT

    thanks for the article now this has cleared many things about ajmal & hope people stop criticizing him. his interview was basically he didnt understand question & he simply cant speak fluent english. i would rather suggest stop talking specialy on these matters or talk in urdu with interpreter.

  • on February 8, 2012, 14:59 GMT

    thank you for clearing the SAEED AJMAL because Saeed is my HERO and now i am very happy to resolved this controversy

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  • on February 8, 2012, 14:59 GMT

    thank you for clearing the SAEED AJMAL because Saeed is my HERO and now i am very happy to resolved this controversy

  • khurramsch on February 8, 2012, 14:59 GMT

    thanks for the article now this has cleared many things about ajmal & hope people stop criticizing him. his interview was basically he didnt understand question & he simply cant speak fluent english. i would rather suggest stop talking specialy on these matters or talk in urdu with interpreter.

  • ABRAR-JANJUA on February 8, 2012, 15:03 GMT

    Thanks for these information and definitely it will erase controversy and confusion about his action...

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:03 GMT

    Better slip with foot than tongue...

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:07 GMT

    Thank you for clarifying the situation.

  • kazimusman on February 8, 2012, 15:11 GMT

    He is world class bowler and an asset of world cricket, spinners like him just raised the level of cricket.....

  • CricketingMinds on February 8, 2012, 15:22 GMT

    phew....Thanks Cricinfo for the clarifications. It should be taken into account that Ajmal is not fluent with his english (he tries really hard, everyone loves his interviews in english..he should be appreciated for the effort) so a media person should be with these cricketers to ensure that such controversial statements are not sparked based on lack of fluency in english language

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:27 GMT

    Hahahaha now Graeme Swann is nothing compared to Ajmal

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:28 GMT

    thanks a lot Mr George Dobell for the report.

  • on February 8, 2012, 15:29 GMT

    We are thankful to ICC and ESPN cricinfo for clearing the doubts created after the Ajmal Interview.

    For sure, PCB has to arrange the language classes for all his international players.

    Thanks again to everyone for clearing the confusion!

    Pakistan Zindabad!!