Australia A v South Africa A, 1st unofficial Test, Pretoria July 24, 2013

Warner comeback ton powers Australia A

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Australia A 399 for 5 (Warner 193, Maxwell 103*) v South Africa A
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David Warner's reinvention as a middle-order batsman received a tremendous boost as the left-hander amassed 193 against South Africa A in Pretoria. The visitors finished one run short of 400 on the opening day as Glenn Maxwell celebrated his maiden first-class century as well.

Warner was suspended from the Australian side after an altercation with England batsman Joe Root during the Champions Trophy and could not participate in the warm-up matches for the Ashes. Subsequently he was not picked to play the first Test and with coach Darren Lehmann confirming Chris Rogers and Shane Watson as Australia's openers, Warner's future in the side demanded that he adjust to the role of a middle-order batsman. He was sent to Africa with the A side to prepare him for the role; a role he was keen to perform, expressing a wish to fill the shoes of Michael Hussey.

Having failed in his only outing in Zimbabwe, Warner stepped into a delicate situation with Australia A two down, both wickets going to Kyle Abbott, by the 13th over. A 73-run partnership for the third wicket between Warner and captain Aaron Finch, who scored a half-century, revived Australia A. Marchant de Lange accounted for Finch, but Warner, having already surged to a run-a-ball, fifty spearheaded a 76-run stand with Moises Henriques to put Australia A in the driver's seat.

Henriques' fall brought Maxwell to the crease and misery to South Africa A as the duo piled on 204 runs off 229 balls with Maxwell reaching his century with his 13th four. Warner's wicket, bowled by de Lange, signalled the end of day one, but not before Warner had lasted 226 balls, and hit 30 boundaries, including one six.

Maxwell was very pleased with his innings. "It's always nice to get the century out of the way on the first day," he said. "I'm very happy with my performance; this is probably the best I've batted in a long time. It was good to bat with Dave Warner. He was taking a lot of the pressure off me by scoring pretty quickly."

Justin Ontong, the South Africa A captain, was disappointed with his side's performance. "It was quite a hard day for us. The wicket was good to bat on but we should have bowled a little better in the first hour," he said. "We bowled on both sides of the wicket which made it very difficult for me to set fields. And if you bowl [like that] to good batsmen like Warner, they'll punish you.

"We need to pick up five more wickets. We are going to have a good chat now and come back strongly tomorrow. Still it will be hard work for our batters but they need to apply themselves and show patience and get themselves in a position like David Warner got."

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  • whofriggincares on July 25, 2013, 9:47 GMT

    Don't forget we are all just expressing our own opinion here. But I think blind Freddie can see that Warner must play , who he actually replaces is a little more complicated! You could make an argument for the whole top 6 barring Pup. I think Rogers must be given the series at least, he has got out stupidly a couple of times once to a dodgy LBW and once to a smart piece of bowling (Anderson slower ball) but he is better than that.Watto's mode of dismissal is a real worry but his bowling is more important than 1 wicket so far suggests. Still not convinced about Usman he looks very vulnerable to Swann but now he is in I suppose he deserves an extended run to settle the argument once and for all. Hughes played well in the first dig in the first test but has looked terrible since, I am not sure about Smiths technique against quality bowling but has proven his leg breaks could potentially win us a game at some stage. I'm leaning towards Hughes out. I think you could bat Warner at 4 or 6.

  • LewisDuckworth on July 25, 2013, 6:28 GMT

    @Chris_P: In answer to your question about Fawad Ahmed, maybe because he took 16 wickets in 3 Shield matches @ 28.37 with a strike rate of 55.3 compared to Agar's 19 wickets in 5 matches @ 28.42 and strike rate of 57.2. So Fawah average better then 5 wickets a game tp Agar's less then 4, and he had a better bowling average and strike rate.

    So how about you give one solid reason as to why Fawad shouldn't be in the squad apart from the fact he put in two oridnary performances in his first matches ever in the UK after he'd been rushed over there to join his team mates who'd already been there in the conditions for some time???

  • on July 25, 2013, 1:55 GMT

    Always enjoyed watching this chap bat on.. Surely he is the batsman who can make a difference.. Unlike Hughes or khawaja who score some odd runs just enough to be in team n don't really make a difference in the outcome of a test match.. Dave on the other hand , can swing a test match in Aussie favour in matter of a hour or two.. When he gets going he goes big n makes an impact.. perhaps team needs just him at the moment. Hope he has learned a lot of lessons from his post mid night adventures n its aftermaths.

  • Sameer-hbk on July 24, 2013, 19:36 GMT

    It is hard to believe that David Warner is not among 10 bets batsmen Aussies have currently. They are struggling to make an 11 up for the tour game against Sussex and Warner is sent to "re-invent" himself to SA!! Would not playing that game against Sussex in English conditions help him more? Not to mention, it will give everyone a more accurate assessment of how effective he can be at 5 or 6. Also have heard lot's of Aussies talk about Katich. Is he still that good? If so, then really, should Clarke's desire to win supersede whatever issues there are between him and other players? Not sure about the other guys, but Warner needs to be back in Eng ASAP. Even if it is to play a tour game. Do not understand the logic of Aussie selectors in all this

  • AussieSam on July 26, 2013, 3:06 GMT

    Greatest_Game: "His test average calculated without including his 3 big scores, is 28."

    Isn't that like calculating a bowling average and not including 5 wicket hauls?

    As a wise man once said: "You can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that."

    Warner has to play. I'll be shocked if he doesn't.

  • on July 26, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    Australia could of won at Lords as the wicket look just the same, bell and root cashed in where other Batsman failed to do so, Thing being Warner scores lot faster than bell or root could dream of. At least Warner brings some action to a days play.

  • LewisDuckworth on July 25, 2013, 23:10 GMT

    @Chris_P: Sorry Chris, you're entitled to your opinion obviously but I find your logic flawed. You're saying that because Fawad is 31 he should be oberlooked for someone younger who can play longer. By that reasoning Australia never should have picked Michael Hussey when they did. Yes Hussey had played for FC cricket then Fawad but that's hardly Fawad's fault as he couldn't play due to threats on his life.

    You then say that O'Keefe has earnt a shot before Fawad after having put in a good season, yet in 6 extra Shield matches for the year he only took 8 more wickets at an inferior strike rate. He also averages less then 3 wickets a match over his career compared to Fawad Ahmed who averages over 3 wickets a match.

    If you want a defensive spin bolwer like Lyon or Hauritz then O'Keefe's worth a go for sure, but if you want an atatcking wicket taking spinner like Australia traditionally have like Warne, MacGill, Benaud, Grimmett, O'Reilly then surely Fawad's our best option.

  • BRUTALANALYST on July 25, 2013, 21:18 GMT

    Warner needs to be in all of the remaining ASHES Tests for the sake of cricket worldwide.

  • on July 25, 2013, 15:09 GMT

    @Greatest_Game, that is unadulterated rubbish.

    Of the current Aussie squad, Warner goes past 50 more often than any other player apart from Clarke.

    Innings per 50 ratio for the current squad is; Clarke 3.16 Warner 3.40 Watto 3.76 Smith 4.50 Ed C 4.57 Hughes 4.90 Ussie 6.50

    As you can see Davey is far more consistent than all the other young blokes and not that far behind Clarke who is one of the very best getting around. If the guy goes out and scores a ton in his next few innings he'll be making them at around 1 in 9, reasonably consistent for someone with so little experience.

  • Greatest_Game on July 25, 2013, 14:38 GMT

    Bringing Warner back into the test squad makes absolutely no sense. In test cricket Warner scores a century 1 every 11.3 innings. Statistically, the Ashes will be over before his next big hit comes around. His test average calculated without including his 3 big scores, is 28. Yes, 28. In 60% of innings he is out within 30 balls. 50% of his innings he scores under 25 runs. In 30% of his innings he loses his wicket within 15 balls, scoring under 10 runs. Single digits once every 3.4 innings!!!

    When he is on song the man is brilliantly destructive. 193 is a great score. But don't forget that against Zimbabwe, in his 2 previous innings, Warner scored 6 in 9 balls, and 11 in 36 balls. Against Zimbabwe!!!

    Warner is a Ferrari V12 firing on only one cylinder. Occasionally he's off like a rocket. Mostly he sputters & takes up valuable space in which a real batsman, like Katich, could be scoring runs!

    Warner might have one big innings. He WILL fail most of the time. His stats prove it!!!!

  • whofriggincares on July 25, 2013, 9:47 GMT

    Don't forget we are all just expressing our own opinion here. But I think blind Freddie can see that Warner must play , who he actually replaces is a little more complicated! You could make an argument for the whole top 6 barring Pup. I think Rogers must be given the series at least, he has got out stupidly a couple of times once to a dodgy LBW and once to a smart piece of bowling (Anderson slower ball) but he is better than that.Watto's mode of dismissal is a real worry but his bowling is more important than 1 wicket so far suggests. Still not convinced about Usman he looks very vulnerable to Swann but now he is in I suppose he deserves an extended run to settle the argument once and for all. Hughes played well in the first dig in the first test but has looked terrible since, I am not sure about Smiths technique against quality bowling but has proven his leg breaks could potentially win us a game at some stage. I'm leaning towards Hughes out. I think you could bat Warner at 4 or 6.

  • LewisDuckworth on July 25, 2013, 6:28 GMT

    @Chris_P: In answer to your question about Fawad Ahmed, maybe because he took 16 wickets in 3 Shield matches @ 28.37 with a strike rate of 55.3 compared to Agar's 19 wickets in 5 matches @ 28.42 and strike rate of 57.2. So Fawah average better then 5 wickets a game tp Agar's less then 4, and he had a better bowling average and strike rate.

    So how about you give one solid reason as to why Fawad shouldn't be in the squad apart from the fact he put in two oridnary performances in his first matches ever in the UK after he'd been rushed over there to join his team mates who'd already been there in the conditions for some time???

  • on July 25, 2013, 1:55 GMT

    Always enjoyed watching this chap bat on.. Surely he is the batsman who can make a difference.. Unlike Hughes or khawaja who score some odd runs just enough to be in team n don't really make a difference in the outcome of a test match.. Dave on the other hand , can swing a test match in Aussie favour in matter of a hour or two.. When he gets going he goes big n makes an impact.. perhaps team needs just him at the moment. Hope he has learned a lot of lessons from his post mid night adventures n its aftermaths.

  • Sameer-hbk on July 24, 2013, 19:36 GMT

    It is hard to believe that David Warner is not among 10 bets batsmen Aussies have currently. They are struggling to make an 11 up for the tour game against Sussex and Warner is sent to "re-invent" himself to SA!! Would not playing that game against Sussex in English conditions help him more? Not to mention, it will give everyone a more accurate assessment of how effective he can be at 5 or 6. Also have heard lot's of Aussies talk about Katich. Is he still that good? If so, then really, should Clarke's desire to win supersede whatever issues there are between him and other players? Not sure about the other guys, but Warner needs to be back in Eng ASAP. Even if it is to play a tour game. Do not understand the logic of Aussie selectors in all this

  • AussieSam on July 26, 2013, 3:06 GMT

    Greatest_Game: "His test average calculated without including his 3 big scores, is 28."

    Isn't that like calculating a bowling average and not including 5 wicket hauls?

    As a wise man once said: "You can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that."

    Warner has to play. I'll be shocked if he doesn't.

  • on July 26, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    Australia could of won at Lords as the wicket look just the same, bell and root cashed in where other Batsman failed to do so, Thing being Warner scores lot faster than bell or root could dream of. At least Warner brings some action to a days play.

  • LewisDuckworth on July 25, 2013, 23:10 GMT

    @Chris_P: Sorry Chris, you're entitled to your opinion obviously but I find your logic flawed. You're saying that because Fawad is 31 he should be oberlooked for someone younger who can play longer. By that reasoning Australia never should have picked Michael Hussey when they did. Yes Hussey had played for FC cricket then Fawad but that's hardly Fawad's fault as he couldn't play due to threats on his life.

    You then say that O'Keefe has earnt a shot before Fawad after having put in a good season, yet in 6 extra Shield matches for the year he only took 8 more wickets at an inferior strike rate. He also averages less then 3 wickets a match over his career compared to Fawad Ahmed who averages over 3 wickets a match.

    If you want a defensive spin bolwer like Lyon or Hauritz then O'Keefe's worth a go for sure, but if you want an atatcking wicket taking spinner like Australia traditionally have like Warne, MacGill, Benaud, Grimmett, O'Reilly then surely Fawad's our best option.

  • BRUTALANALYST on July 25, 2013, 21:18 GMT

    Warner needs to be in all of the remaining ASHES Tests for the sake of cricket worldwide.

  • on July 25, 2013, 15:09 GMT

    @Greatest_Game, that is unadulterated rubbish.

    Of the current Aussie squad, Warner goes past 50 more often than any other player apart from Clarke.

    Innings per 50 ratio for the current squad is; Clarke 3.16 Warner 3.40 Watto 3.76 Smith 4.50 Ed C 4.57 Hughes 4.90 Ussie 6.50

    As you can see Davey is far more consistent than all the other young blokes and not that far behind Clarke who is one of the very best getting around. If the guy goes out and scores a ton in his next few innings he'll be making them at around 1 in 9, reasonably consistent for someone with so little experience.

  • Greatest_Game on July 25, 2013, 14:38 GMT

    Bringing Warner back into the test squad makes absolutely no sense. In test cricket Warner scores a century 1 every 11.3 innings. Statistically, the Ashes will be over before his next big hit comes around. His test average calculated without including his 3 big scores, is 28. Yes, 28. In 60% of innings he is out within 30 balls. 50% of his innings he scores under 25 runs. In 30% of his innings he loses his wicket within 15 balls, scoring under 10 runs. Single digits once every 3.4 innings!!!

    When he is on song the man is brilliantly destructive. 193 is a great score. But don't forget that against Zimbabwe, in his 2 previous innings, Warner scored 6 in 9 balls, and 11 in 36 balls. Against Zimbabwe!!!

    Warner is a Ferrari V12 firing on only one cylinder. Occasionally he's off like a rocket. Mostly he sputters & takes up valuable space in which a real batsman, like Katich, could be scoring runs!

    Warner might have one big innings. He WILL fail most of the time. His stats prove it!!!!

  • Barnesy4444 on July 25, 2013, 14:20 GMT

    He could be Australia's long-term number 6. That should take some pressure off the batting line-up. He will go for it from ball 1 and can change the course of a test match in a session Douggie Walters and Gilchrist style. I think the third test will probably be a straight swap Smith for Warner.

  • sharidas on July 25, 2013, 13:52 GMT

    Though, I also feel that Warner would be good to have in England, frequent changes will only harm the team and the player. Let David continue in South Africa and make a comeback later. That will do him and Australian cricket a lot of good.

  • ZCFOutkast on July 25, 2013, 13:51 GMT

    Well done to Dean Elgar. Good ton for him, but I'm not convinced. He did well against SL A as well but has largely failed at international level(both Test&ODIs). Even the century he scored against NZ came when we were 350 odd at a comfortable 3.5 runs per over - a total which the woeful visiting Black Caps's combined innings could not match up to.

    Anyway, all these generous and selective caps set the benchmark for how we will judge CSA when they do get round to granting opportunities to players who have long deserved call-ups but continue to be inexplicably ignored.

  • xtrafalgarx on July 25, 2013, 13:37 GMT

    Seeing these boys both get BIG hundreds on a flat wicket, maybe our batters can get 100's but because the pitches are seamer-friendly we don't see these types of scores.

  • on July 25, 2013, 12:56 GMT

    @Chris_P, The Hayden story just goes to show that we need to be patient with these guys, you could say the same of Katich, Langer, Martyn and others too, not many of our great generation ever found instant success. You are right, there is no-one, aside from Rogers, who has been able to force their way in by weight of runs. Well anyway I think Warner has put in some good performances to date and I can only see him improving. I just keep asking myself where were Hayden, Langer, Hussey et al at the same point in their respective careers and of course they were in the Shield learning their trade, something the likes of Hughes, Smith, Khawaja and Warner are being asked to do at International level. That we just have one established International standard batsman aged between 26 and retirement is astounding. Perhaps we should have made more of the likes of Ferguson, Bailey etc... I don't know, its a mystery why this generation has never stepped up.

  • Chris_P on July 25, 2013, 12:47 GMT

    @LewisDuckworth. You asked the question so here it is. As I have stated ad infinitum, a sustained effort over a season should be the minimum to proceed or at least a promise of a future. At 19 years of age, Agar represents 10-15 years investment plus his batting average was 40 at the time, Fawad, at best 3 -4 years, & with a fc bowling average of 31, I would suggest he doesn't represent the fear factor many imagine he presents. At no time, now or in future should anyone be selected after 2 matches, that is insane. You nailed it, in a country where he could be expected to bowl against a test class batting line-up, against Scotland & Ireland his average was over 70. Work it out for yourself what might happen against batsmen who are leagues up on the Scottish & Irish batsmen he got thrashed by.

  • on July 25, 2013, 12:33 GMT

    @Chris_p.plz see the bowling card of aus A playing against southafrica A.you will get answered.

  • Chris_P on July 25, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    @Omer Farooq. Don't kid yourself Fawad is a good leg spinner. With a fc bowling average of 31 he rates as a "run of the mill" leg spinner, nothing more. If & when he can produce a season of sustained good bowling efforts only then should he be considered for selection, something that even Stephen O'Keefe can't manage to achieve despite consitently achiving top returns.

  • landl47 on July 25, 2013, 12:17 GMT

    I'm sure Warner's innings was great to watch, although the wicket here does appear to be good for batting. Whether he'll be able to reproduce this form on a turning wicket against Swann is something we'll have to wait and see.

  • on July 25, 2013, 12:15 GMT

    Get Warner back to England asap.

  • on July 25, 2013, 11:20 GMT

    Mr Whofriggcarescares, great comment and great analysis of the top six. I always respect opinions when they are back up by facts, and you have articulated that very well.

  • HawK89 on July 25, 2013, 11:12 GMT

    Australia's chances for this Ashes series has sailed off. Cricket Australia needs to change and stop being a joke. Prepare for the Ashes series in AU and the first XI playing, without making last minute changes. These Ashes debuts for Australia are just gambles, hoping that a miracle cricketer comes out of no where and performs. People pay to watch The Ashes, so stop sending out the Australia Schoolboy XI.

  • Shaggy076 on July 25, 2013, 10:59 GMT

    I cannot understand why people believe a 30 + year old jurney man spinner, who is an average fielder and poor bat and has only played 3 games of shield cricket should be an automatic inclusion in the test squad. He was given a shot on the A tour and found short. There is no way he should be playing before Lyon so really there is no need for him to be on the Ashes tour at this stage of his career.

  • Chris_P on July 25, 2013, 10:48 GMT

    @Omer Farooq. He bowled on the same pitches as other spinners who bowled all over him. Again, help me understand why a player who had a bowling average of over 70 in England needs to be selected ahead of others more deserving? In Zimbabwe he bowled against guys who are flat out handling any kind of spin. Simply said, there is no valid reason to select him ahead of someone more deserving such as Stephen O'Keefe. He has to do the hard yards ot earn his place, just like anybody else irregardless of what his background was.

  • on July 25, 2013, 10:36 GMT

    my ashes 11 for Australia 1august test will be shane watson 2 chris Roger 3 Michelle clake 4 david warner 5 smith 6 hugues 7 maxwell 8 haddin 9 jhoson 10 siddle 11 harris

  • on July 25, 2013, 10:23 GMT

    @xtrafalgarx - Yes, Khawaja showed brilliant temperament when he felt bogged down against Swann in the first innings - tried to slog one straight down the ground.

  • hhillbumper on July 25, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    Warner should be in the test team.He is a once in a lifetime talent and with the worlds greatest bowling attack England are doomed to lose the series 3-2.

  • siltbreeze on July 25, 2013, 9:08 GMT

    @ZCF_Outkast I wondered the same thing about Gqamane - every time I look at his stats they're phenomenal. Any ideas why Hendricks would be preferred?

  • siltbreeze on July 25, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    From an English perspective, Warner is the batsman I'd fear most after Clarke. It won't happen but Watson should drop out - Khawaja, Hughes and Smith have all done enough to be persevered with, and Watson's bowling (1-88 so far) hasn't been good enough to save him. And Lyon must come in for Agar - his batting at Lords was brilliant and fearless but his bowling is way off Test standard.

    The fact is, you don't have great batting options and Ponting and Katich are clearly still two of your best 6 batsmen. Burns and Bailey mentioned on here - Burns averaging 30 for Leicestershire and Bailey 37 for Hampshire, both in County Championship Div 2. Katich averaging 72 in the same division, and Ponting 123 in Div 1.

  • xtrafalgarx on July 25, 2013, 8:27 GMT

    To people saying things along the lines of "at least warner can score 150 unlike Khawaja, Hughes etc." That's great, Warner is a match winner, but every team needs people with the technique and temperament to bat all day ASWELL as match winners. Take England, they have Cook, Trott and Bell to bat through and Pietersen to win matches in sessions. So do not under estimate what i like to call "partnership players" that we have, i believe Khawaja is one which is why he can make a good number 3, even though he may not always have the score to show for it.

  • on July 25, 2013, 8:10 GMT

    @Chris_p 1 more solid reason is English batsman can't play leg spin wel.infact no one can play a good leg spinner.not even subcontinent batsmen.

  • runout49 on July 25, 2013, 8:03 GMT

    Warner's innings is one out of the box and has South Africa A on the ropes !

  • Mitty2 on July 25, 2013, 7:59 GMT

    This wasn't Maxwell's maiden FC century... When he was selected to India he in fact averaged 42 with the bat on top of a 32 bowling average (still an absolutely shocking section), but still have to agree with the person who suggested that Warner's innings is marginalised considering Maxwell scored ton - it must mean a very flat deck (but then why did SA elect to field?). We all saw Maxwell's batting on Indian bunsens and on green tracks: he just tries to hit out. Looks like it worked for him here. How he was selected over Silk and Burns still baffles me, but he's a talent

    But on Warner, this is a quality seam attack, so credit to him. Abbot was phenomenal against Pak and De Lange has been in the fringes of the best seam attack (baffled why they picked kleinveldt over him) for a long time... So this truly does underline why he SHOULD be in the team and persisted with. Ideally he'd come in for prima donna Watson.

    However, this doesn't change the fact that he should be in Aus right now.

  • farkin on July 25, 2013, 7:58 GMT

    take maxwell he is a lot less trouble then warner is

  • InvisiblePJs on July 25, 2013, 7:13 GMT

    @ buckers97 - I don't normally comment on 'potential XIs' for upcoming matches, but I like the look of yours given what we have available. I think I would lean toward Khawaja slightly - he showed good application in the 2nd dig at Lord's; and I certainly think they could do worse than giving Faulkner a try - he has the same left arm qualities of Starc, and is a useful right hand bat, which we don't have enough of in the team.

  • on July 25, 2013, 7:09 GMT

    wel Chris_p here is your answere.I know he didn't performed wel in England but that is due severe cold conditions over there at that time and let me inform you one more thing that perticular pitch was grassy with a lot of support for the quicks but nil for the spinner.and still he got a wicket.the pitches prepaired for ashes are totally dry which supports swan and reverse swing by and James.just look what he has done on a pitch which supports spinners against Zimbabwe you will get your answers.

  • SHER-A-PANJAB on July 25, 2013, 6:04 GMT

    This team of SA looks batter than The team playing in S>lanka..

  • ZCFOutkast on July 25, 2013, 5:55 GMT

    400 runs in one day! Serves you right for continuing to marginalise deserving players. Gqamane should have played. Most exciting player in SA right now. Last time he was left out needlessly against Sri Lanka, and this time around he's excluded again. If all of Gqamane, Tsolekile & Bavuma cannot be consistently slotted into an A side, it's no wonder that the Test&ODIs teams reflect zero progress as far as transformation goes.

    The vote of confidence in Hudson, plus the inclusion of Lorgat is already showing signs of just how much this combo will fail dismally! Without fail, in the next game all 3 should play in the same side, and indeed all the List A matches of this tour.

    The likes of Rudolph, Duminy, A&M Morkel have been persisted with throughout the most horrendous form, yet even recovery(unlike Morne&Steyn) is not enough for our best ODI bowler for a long time now - Tsotsobe, to get back into an attack that's downright pathetic at the moment.

    CSA get these things right gentlemen!

  • satishchandar on July 25, 2013, 4:13 GMT

    Look at the other centurian.. Million dollar bench warmer Maxwell.. I think they just went with nothing to lose attitude and reaped the rewards.. However, England is a different thing.. Even if Warner can counter attack pace bowlers, he would need to face Swann who would turn it away from the leftie.. and to make things worse, the part timer of Root is of same breed, the offie.. Warner is a sort of player who usually believes in his hitting abilities.. His block innings were always ugly and chancy.. Better for him to score 190 odd in games which he is supposed to be using to spend time in middle rather than failing here.. Hope he does continue the touch to England and then back in Australia.

  • TheBigBoodha on July 25, 2013, 3:09 GMT

    Great to see Warner having a good innings. He's had a pretty bad run of things the last few months. Hopefully he's pulling through it as a better man. Sometimes it is the worst of times which are the greatest for the development of the spirit. Some forget that Warner was averaging 47 as a test batsman before the India tour, and one bad tour and a lean trot of a couple of months should never be an excuse to write off a young batsman who has only been playing at the top level for less than two years.

    Not sure if he should be a middle order batsmen in the Ashes, though. The Poms have doctored the tracks for Swann, and Warner is a left-hander who is not great against spin. I'd love to see him smashing Swann around in the Australian leg of the Ashes

  • Chris_P on July 25, 2013, 3:03 GMT

    It looks as though, with Australia, South Africa haven't really named their 2nd best team, & not by a fair bit either. I mean in our team, Finch & Marsh aren't even in their state teams for Sheffield Shield due to lack of form. Maxwell, while an incredible talent in T20 is well short of test material, even counting with the current lot we have. @ Omer Farooq. Give me one, that is ONE solid reason while Fawad should be in the squad for England, & being Pakistani born doesn't count as one either. Go look up his record with Australia A in England & ponder that statist, then you can answer yourself.

  • jmcilhinney on July 25, 2013, 3:02 GMT

    While this is obviously a positive for Australia and may even be enough to get Warner back in the side for the third Test, it's important not to get too carried away. There was a lot of criticism of Australia's batting before this tour but everyone was feeling much better after the warmup games where people like Watson were scoring fairly freely. That hasn't translated into success in the Test matches though, where the standard of bowling is higher. Warner is another who may look good scoring freely against inferior bowling but, if he's not prepared to knuckle down and grind it out during the difficult phases, he just won't succeed in England. If he tries to hit his way out of trouble he will fail more often than not.

  • Chris_P on July 25, 2013, 2:57 GMT

    @ Jono Makim. Agree that Hayden was slow out of the box re: tests, but recall that he was pulverising shield attacks for nearly 10 years prior to his test record clicking into place. And he had Slater & Taylor ahead of him. Where are the Shield batsmen pulverising the attacks now? Name one shield batsman banging the door down demanding test selection by sheer weight of runs? I see many shield games in Sydney, so I only get to see non NSW players once a season, but on probably the only real sporting pitch that requires a decent technique, I don't see it too often by batsman. No wonder we are breeding bowlers coming out of our ears, who wouldn't want to bowl to this lot if you had talent! This time round, the climb back is going to take a lot longer than 20 odd years ago, my friend.

  • left_arm_unorthodox on July 25, 2013, 2:49 GMT

    Have a look at Warner's stats from India. He averaged behind Clarke, Cowan, Henriques, and Smith. Sure he got runs in S.A. -- but so did Maxwell, which maybe says something about the pitch and the bowling. Warner probably is in Australia's best six or seven bats, but he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

  • wellrounded87 on July 25, 2013, 2:47 GMT

    @Big_Maxy_Walker If you can play a shot a ball for 223 balls who cares. And why won't it work against the english team? There bowling wasn't exactly electric. I still think the bowling attacks are pretty even between AUS and ENG. Swann gives the poms the edge. The gaping difference is in the batting, we are clearly outclassed by the poms. And because our batting is so bad it makes the english bowlers look a lot better than they actually are.

    @Sameer-hbk No Katich isn't that good. He is having a good season in County cricket and he never should have been dropped but at this point recalling him is a bad idea. Should he be recalled he might be in the side for a year? then we're back in the same spot and having to replace him with inexperienced batsmen and the best result he could bring is some respectability to the side, he's not a saviour by any means. It's better to blood the young players now and let them improve a lot of batsmen peak in their late 20's remember.

  • Doogius on July 25, 2013, 2:44 GMT

    @Jono, Davey boy goes big once every 2 years on flat pitches. Just the fact that Maxwell scored a ton devalues what Warner did. Reminds me of Life Of Brian - he smashes a hundred on a road against a 2nd 11 and he's not a naughty boy - he's the messiah. I know most of Ozzys want the boys to do better but bringing in tools isn't the answer.

  • Chris_Howard on July 25, 2013, 2:37 GMT

    One important thing about this innings is it was against some decent bowlers who've played some Test cricket. Abbott took 9 wickets on debut. Unlike the teams that the Australians ave played warm up games against, which haven't. Clever by England to not give the Aussies decent bowlers to practice against.

  • on July 25, 2013, 1:39 GMT

    With regards to Hayden agree time is an important factor in some players careers. A big but though is Haydos had scored 1000s of runs in what was the best first class competition in the world and was introduced to a team where success was needed imeadiately due to the long list of talent that was out there. He didnt have that success in his early career was dropped had to score more runs in first class then made the most of it.

    ATM Australia has few people scoring runs in anyform of the game so no pressure at all on players to improve their game. One off games like warner's is enough to get you selected. where as before a career of performances had to be achieved.

    Patience with Steve Waugh (42 innings before a century) would be an example of a successful Aus but even he didnt have the same optourtunities as a player like Watson.

  • on July 25, 2013, 1:05 GMT

    Wait until the home tests to introduce Ahmed... Agar has already been thrown to the wolves no sense to keep playing spinners on so little FC cricket

  • bobbsy on July 25, 2013, 1:03 GMT

    Australia A has a better batting line up than Australia- just add Katich to the A line up and England loses 2-3

  • Rowayton on July 25, 2013, 1:03 GMT

    One more thing - I think it's a bit rough to describe Henriques and Maxwell as 'bits and pieces players'. If either of them is to have a test future, it is as batsmen who can bowl a bit, so they should be batting in the top half of the order. If Pat Howard wants to do something useful as high performance manager, he should be getting into the ear of state captains and convincing them to bat these sort of players at number 4 in Sheffield Shield matches - so that their teams rely on them as top order batsmen. I do agree that if you're not good enough to bat number 4 for your state team, you're not good enough to bat number 6 for Australia.

  • on July 25, 2013, 1:03 GMT

    I wouldn't get to ahead of ourselves by getting excited but i think its clear Warner is in australias top 6... i say Watson goes as he is the only batsman yet to pass 50 and Anderson is eating him alive...As for Hughes time to return him to No. 1 where he averages 51

    Hughes, Rogers, Khawaja, Warner, Clarke, Smith, Haddin, Siddle, Starc/Lyon, Harris, Bird

    Id then stick to that batting line up, you can try and be fancy with Maxwell and maddinson or cowan but those have been the best 6 FC batsman in Aus over the stretch and that's the best we have to go on

  • MinusZero on July 25, 2013, 1:01 GMT

    What does it all mean. Watson and Clarke looked to be in form albeit against a division 2 side before the first test. Look at them now. Australia dont need a quick run scorer, they need someone to build an innings around.

  • Dhanno on July 25, 2013, 0:54 GMT

    There is cricket and then there is cricket. What warner did in SA has no bearing on what he can do against ENG. Yes, Aus need proper batsman at 1-2, 3-4 and 5-6 (except Clarke with his dodgy back I dont see anyone else in there, Oh maybe Khawaja). So yes, they do need proper batsmen and not steven smiths. But Warner aint that person. He can be a flash in pan, like in india, he will hit one 80 at 100 SR but he cant grind it out in Ashes and change Australia's fortunes. Over course of next 8 matches (3 in here and 5 in Aus) the guy will still not avg better than 30, if he were to be brought back. Yes, that might be better than Hughes/ Cowan/ and someone else but seriously guys that wont be test match stuff.

  • Rowayton on July 25, 2013, 0:44 GMT

    Got to agree with Jono. It's a bit much to criticise somebody for playing too many shots when he has just scored 193. Anyway if he's hit 29 fours and one six off 226 balls, it's hard to describe it as a slog - it's about three boundaries every four overs, and as we remember from past experience, Pretoria is a high scoring ground. The fact is, when DW comes off, he can score 150. Can't say that about too many of the others. And it's not a bad attack - Abbott and de Lange are both quite highly rated.

  • xtrafalgarx on July 25, 2013, 0:38 GMT

    Good to see a couple of hundreds, hope to see more when the sheild comes around. I hope this is a sign that Maxwell is improving too, because this wasn't a bad attack by any means.

  • PFEL on July 25, 2013, 0:34 GMT

    @Big_Maxy_Walker, you couldn't be more wrong. Digging in is what the Aus batsmen have been trying to do all series, and failing miserably. They need to play more shots, getting in a defensive mindset is really damaging them. All they've been doing is sitting around until they get a good ball.

  • Draconarius on July 25, 2013, 0:33 GMT

    Good to see. Who to drop for him will depend on the tour match result. Ideally it would be Watson, but unfortunately it will probably be whichever one of Hughes or Smith fails in the tour match.

    @Maxy: What would you have him do? Ignore the ball when it's there to be hit? I didn't see anyone complaining when Clarke plundered 230 at an even faster rate against South Africa's front-line bowlers last year.

  • PFEL on July 25, 2013, 0:32 GMT

    "It's always nice to get the century out of the way on the first day," . . . Funny quote from someone who just scored his FIRST century haha.

  • hmmmmm... on July 25, 2013, 0:28 GMT

    As long as he doesn't open, warner might work at 6 but it's this sort of innings which defines the Australian team's issue at the moment - aggression vs. judgement! Our last number 6 - Hussey, was above all an intelligent cricketer, he knew when to graft and when to hammer, and had the skills, self control and focus to do it at all levels of the game...I have a feeling warner is not capable of that.

    On the point of maxwell, please do not ever consider him a test cricketer - if he scored a ton it probably also puts warner's in context. Never in a million years will this be repeated on a swinging wicket against top flight bowlers of the calibre of anderson or steyn or morkel. We shoudl be rewarding consistency not one off/inconsistent wonders with major technical flaws - watson, warner, hughes, smith...fine to have one player who can take the game in a session but the rest need to bat all day (and some). At the moment I think the only ones that could are clarke, rogers and khawaja

  • on July 25, 2013, 0:17 GMT

    The Poms have traditionally stuggled against leg spin....Ahmed may prove a handful for them, hes just taken 8 for playing for Aust A. Agar needs time to mature and a few coaching sessions with Dan Vettori would really help him along.

  • on July 25, 2013, 0:01 GMT

    Australia have plenty of quality players coming through. 1.alex doolan 2.jordan silk 3.nic maddinson 4.joe burns 5.glenn Maxwell 6.tim paine 7.shaun marsh 8.chadd sayers 9.pat cummins 10.fawad ahmed 11.gurinder sandhu 12.adam zampa 13.mitch marsh 14.ashton agar 15.james Faulkner 16.sam whiteman

  • Someguy on July 24, 2013, 23:50 GMT

    @Big_Maxy_Walker - Generally Warner will play a shot a ball once he gets going, but he has proven that he is capable of digging in in tough conditions, carrying his bat in Hobart is a perfect example of what he is capable of. I believe he is genuinely capable of being a world class test batsman. Either as an aggressive opener or middle order batsman. Warner batting with the tail would be much better than someone who doesn't score as quick. He has the ability to score a lot of runs, very fast. So wont need the tail to hang around too long to potentially post a big total.

    At the moment, I think Hughes is the one most at risk, I don't think Watson will get dropped because of his bowling, but personally, I would dump Watson, then you could open with Hughes, where he doesn't have to try and start against spin, and maybe slot warner in at 4, then leave Clarke and Smith at 5 and 6, having your best players of spin come in later in the innings.

  • Buckers97 on July 24, 2013, 23:45 GMT

    1.Shane Watson 2.Chris Rogers 3.Usman Khawaja/Phil Hughes 4. Michael Clarke (c) 5.Steve Smith 6.David Warner 7.Brad Haddin (wk) 8.James Faulkner 9.Peter Siddle 10.Ryan Harris 11.Nathan Lyon 12.Jackson Bird

  • xylo on July 24, 2013, 23:45 GMT

    Ha ha... Maxwell scores century... Judging the quality of the opposition is left as an exercise to the reader.

  • Hammo1976 on July 24, 2013, 23:27 GMT

    I really hope that both Warner and Maxwell both make it into the test team sometime during the current Ashes series. Both players do not have the adequate technique to last for a long period at test level - May get you the occasional flashy 50 but not much else.

    The best hope for Australia is to have a throwback to the early 80's and ensure all players grow a mo ! Those guys under Border at least had fire in the belly

  • on July 24, 2013, 23:13 GMT

    chadd sayers and fawad ahmed will destroy south Africa a side.

  • nzcricket174 on July 24, 2013, 22:37 GMT

    The RSA A Side are not a bad team. de Lange and Abbott both have test 7-fors on debut I'm pretty sure.

  • LewisDuckworth on July 24, 2013, 22:19 GMT

    @KenMcCarron: While what you say is accurate, it's worth noting that Doolan scored more runs then Smith in the Shield last year and is a natural first or 2nd drop which are probably the two positions we're struggling to fill the most.

    And while you're also right about them outperforming Bailey in the Shield, it's worth noting that Bailey's performances for Australia since coming into the ODI squad improved significantly compared to what he was doing with Tasmania. He seems one of those guys that lifts with the added responsability, so why not give him a go in the test team? He can't be any worse then what's there.

    Othes who should be considered are Mark Cosgrove who's been churning out the runs for years now despite his weight issues and Joe Burns who looks one of the best middle order batting prospects we have at the moment.

  • on July 24, 2013, 20:09 GMT

    @Big_Maxy, why worry about how many shots he plays? The fact is he has done better than any of Watson, Hughes, Khawaja, Smith or Cowan and he has pretty clearly just hit himself back into form. The lad can and does go big, we need him.

    @Ken McCarron, I agree, I don't think anyone who actually follows Aus domestic cricket closely is even mentioning any of those guys either, with the exception of Doolan, though he too still has plenty to do.

    Out of interest I just looked up Matty Hayden's career record on statsguru. After his first twelve tests, which were spread across 6 years(!) he was averaging in the 20's with one century to his name. And then at the age of 29-30 he came good and ended up with 30 centuries and a fifty average. We just need to be patient folks!

  • Sunil_Batra on July 24, 2013, 19:36 GMT

    Cowan will be nervous, he is next batsman waiting in line and I think with this innings Warner has jumped the queue to be next batsman in line.

  • on July 24, 2013, 19:34 GMT

    I believe the is only Maxwell's second first class ton so we shouldn't get too excited. Warner has the second best average in the Australian team after Clarke so he needs to come in at the expense of Hughes who isn't coping with Swann. I disagree with the comment about bits and pieces players. Whether we like it or not Hughes Smith etc have performed much better than Ferguson Voges Bailey Doolan etc in the Sheffield Shield over the last two years.

  • HansonKoch on July 24, 2013, 19:29 GMT

    Maddinson should be in the team by summer in Australia.

  • on July 24, 2013, 19:24 GMT

    wel what I think he should play at no 6 one more thing inspire of agar they should try ahmed.atleast he has variety.if batsman are not performing wel why not try to bowld out opposition at low score.it can only be possible by having variety in bowling.

  • on July 24, 2013, 19:20 GMT

    Actually that was Maxwell's 2nd FC century. I know most people will pigeon hole him as a T20 slogger but he has a lot more talent than that, I hope he can start making centuries more often now. His second important contribution with the bat after his half century against the Zimbabwean team.

    Good to see Warner in the runs, he's as good a young batsman as we've got and should be straight back into the test team in my opinion.

  • on July 24, 2013, 19:07 GMT

    warner, ahmed and sayers should play for Australia soon.

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on July 24, 2013, 19:07 GMT

    Warner is still just playing a shot a ball style which wont work against the English team. Have to dig in. And the selectors still picking bits and pieces players at 5 and 6 is disappointing that they haven't learnt their lesson. Proper batsmen 1-6, Keeper 7, 4 Bowlers. Stick with the traditional test type team.

  • Baundele on July 24, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    ...and Australia keeps playing Cowan.

  • on July 24, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    he should be in team now

  • whatawicket on July 24, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    sos send warner and maxwell asap

  • on July 24, 2013, 18:58 GMT

    both should be in team along with ahmed.don't know why coach not giving a chance to legy.

  • on July 24, 2013, 18:58 GMT

    both should be in team along with ahmed.don't know why coach not giving a chance to legy.

  • whatawicket on July 24, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    sos send warner and maxwell asap

  • on July 24, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    he should be in team now

  • Baundele on July 24, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    ...and Australia keeps playing Cowan.

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on July 24, 2013, 19:07 GMT

    Warner is still just playing a shot a ball style which wont work against the English team. Have to dig in. And the selectors still picking bits and pieces players at 5 and 6 is disappointing that they haven't learnt their lesson. Proper batsmen 1-6, Keeper 7, 4 Bowlers. Stick with the traditional test type team.

  • on July 24, 2013, 19:07 GMT

    warner, ahmed and sayers should play for Australia soon.

  • on July 24, 2013, 19:20 GMT

    Actually that was Maxwell's 2nd FC century. I know most people will pigeon hole him as a T20 slogger but he has a lot more talent than that, I hope he can start making centuries more often now. His second important contribution with the bat after his half century against the Zimbabwean team.

    Good to see Warner in the runs, he's as good a young batsman as we've got and should be straight back into the test team in my opinion.

  • on July 24, 2013, 19:24 GMT

    wel what I think he should play at no 6 one more thing inspire of agar they should try ahmed.atleast he has variety.if batsman are not performing wel why not try to bowld out opposition at low score.it can only be possible by having variety in bowling.

  • HansonKoch on July 24, 2013, 19:29 GMT

    Maddinson should be in the team by summer in Australia.

  • on July 24, 2013, 19:34 GMT

    I believe the is only Maxwell's second first class ton so we shouldn't get too excited. Warner has the second best average in the Australian team after Clarke so he needs to come in at the expense of Hughes who isn't coping with Swann. I disagree with the comment about bits and pieces players. Whether we like it or not Hughes Smith etc have performed much better than Ferguson Voges Bailey Doolan etc in the Sheffield Shield over the last two years.