Sri Lanka v Pakistan, 1st Test, Galle, 3rd day June 24, 2012

Don't ban captains for slow over-rate - Whatmore

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Dav Whatmore, the Pakistan coach, has criticised the ICC's decision to ban the captain Misbah-ul-Haq from the Galle Test because of an over-rate offence committed during the fifth ODI against Sri Lanka in Colombo earlier this week. Whatmore suggested that instead of banning a player, a better alternative would be to impose penalties during the match in which the offence was committed, rather than let the punishment affect the next game.

"I find it very difficult to understand why a good player, a captain, is barred from playing," Whatmore said after the third day in Galle. "I know there's rules with it. People want to see the best teams participating, particularly in Test matches where there is some discussion on the popularity of it. You want your best players playing all the time. I think we need to reassess and revisit that."

During the fifth ODI, Pakistan were found to be three overs short of their target even after time allowances were taken into consideration. As this was Pakistan's first serious over-rate offence in the past 12 months, the match referee Chris Broad handed Misbah two suspension points while each of his players received a 40% fine. It meant Misbah had to sit out the Galle Test, since suspension points are to be applied to the subsequent international matches in which Misbah was most likely to participate on a chronological basis immediately following the announcement of the decision.

Misbah was replaced by Mohammad Hafeez as captain, and his place in the side went to a debutant, Mohammad Ayub. In Misbah's absence, Pakistan struggled in response to Sri Lanka's 472 and were bowled out for 100. They are 36 for 3 in the second innings, chasing 510 for victory.

Kanishkaa Balachandran is a senior sub-editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on June 26, 2012, 14:07 GMT

    bad luck misbah better luck in next match!!!

  • K-ABBAS on June 25, 2012, 10:40 GMT

    I'm Agreed with "khurramsch " ODI penalty should get ban on ODI. Misbah in this situation, condition and against spinners like Hearath and Randiv would be different result.

  • sabee66 on June 25, 2012, 7:41 GMT

    Doesn't surprise me as Chris broad is the match Referre....lol

  • tfjones1978 on June 25, 2012, 6:50 GMT

    I agree with the coach that banning a captain is a silly idea and does not prevent the captain from doing it. Say if it was the final match of Test World Cup 2017 and the next match was say against Bangladesh or Zimbarbwe (or a new test team). If you were captain and were loosing the match in which if the time ran out you would win the Test World Cup, wouldnt you just play hooky and slow down the match where ever you can! The alternative is in match penality. At the END of each SESSION if the match referee deems that Team X through invalid delays caused an insufficient number of overs bowled then Team Y is awarded a bonus. If Team Y was batting then they get 150% of their run rate of that session. If Team Y is bowling then Team X is deducted runs at 150% of their run rate of that session (and the umpires should be reminded to warn batsmen to face up within a reasonable amount of time or be dismissed for failure to face up). Penality for on-field delays should be in match consequences!

  • khurramsch on June 25, 2012, 6:13 GMT

    guys have you notices picture? misbah is bowling???????

  • khurramsch on June 25, 2012, 6:11 GMT

    12 wrong decisions ( 9 vs pak 3 vs SL ) in just 3 days very poor & it makes more poor when they came from 2 very experienced elite panel umpires. Icc should take notice to this. & yes agree if SL has it for england home series why not for here? ok if technology is expensive, they could still allow reviews as in this match most of decsions can be rectify by simple replay. or icc should allow 3rd umpire to overturn simple once by simple replays on spot. you want on time finish or right decision? & there should b a ranking system for umpires , each bad decision to minus some points & after certain limit remove them from elite pannel.

  • khurramsch on June 25, 2012, 6:08 GMT

    banning is ok for me but odi penalty should get ban on odi not other formats & same with other formats. bad umpiring + no misbah was crucial but very poor batting performance from pak & some how i feel that hafez is not ready to be captain of tests. his batting form gone since captain or vice captain.toufeq last played in feb vs eng & failed. younas not in form as well. this test is lost but thy should try to spend time & get some form now.

  • Dhushan on June 25, 2012, 5:21 GMT

    Misbah playing this match would not have changed the result, only maybe take longer for SL to win. I do have to agree with Whatmore on what he's saying though. Penalties should be given in that particular match. This can be done if the team bowling 1st is short of the particular number of overs. Then they would maybe have to chase in a lesser number of overs, however, I don't know what can be done in an ODI when the team bowling 2nd is short of the overs. Then I guess fining them is the way to go.

  • jmcilhinney on June 25, 2012, 5:14 GMT

    This rule has been in place for some time. This is like so many cases where people don't have anything to say about a rule until it directly affects them, at which time they are suddenly against it. Low over rates is a serious issue in Test cricket. The fact that Whatmore has something to say about it now indicates that this penalty has hurt and therefore Pakistan may be less likely to commit a similar offence again. I'm not picking on Pakistan either. All teams, including my own England, are guilty of poor over rates at times and I'm pleased to see the ICC making a real effort to do something about it. Let's hope that it doesn't get to the stage of the umpires having to try to force bowling teams to get on with it on the field. I'd be disappointed if England were to suffer a similar fate but, if they do, they will deserve it.

  • Udendra on June 25, 2012, 4:56 GMT

    @ProdigyB: ha ha lol, well said!

  • on June 26, 2012, 14:07 GMT

    bad luck misbah better luck in next match!!!

  • K-ABBAS on June 25, 2012, 10:40 GMT

    I'm Agreed with "khurramsch " ODI penalty should get ban on ODI. Misbah in this situation, condition and against spinners like Hearath and Randiv would be different result.

  • sabee66 on June 25, 2012, 7:41 GMT

    Doesn't surprise me as Chris broad is the match Referre....lol

  • tfjones1978 on June 25, 2012, 6:50 GMT

    I agree with the coach that banning a captain is a silly idea and does not prevent the captain from doing it. Say if it was the final match of Test World Cup 2017 and the next match was say against Bangladesh or Zimbarbwe (or a new test team). If you were captain and were loosing the match in which if the time ran out you would win the Test World Cup, wouldnt you just play hooky and slow down the match where ever you can! The alternative is in match penality. At the END of each SESSION if the match referee deems that Team X through invalid delays caused an insufficient number of overs bowled then Team Y is awarded a bonus. If Team Y was batting then they get 150% of their run rate of that session. If Team Y is bowling then Team X is deducted runs at 150% of their run rate of that session (and the umpires should be reminded to warn batsmen to face up within a reasonable amount of time or be dismissed for failure to face up). Penality for on-field delays should be in match consequences!

  • khurramsch on June 25, 2012, 6:13 GMT

    guys have you notices picture? misbah is bowling???????

  • khurramsch on June 25, 2012, 6:11 GMT

    12 wrong decisions ( 9 vs pak 3 vs SL ) in just 3 days very poor & it makes more poor when they came from 2 very experienced elite panel umpires. Icc should take notice to this. & yes agree if SL has it for england home series why not for here? ok if technology is expensive, they could still allow reviews as in this match most of decsions can be rectify by simple replay. or icc should allow 3rd umpire to overturn simple once by simple replays on spot. you want on time finish or right decision? & there should b a ranking system for umpires , each bad decision to minus some points & after certain limit remove them from elite pannel.

  • khurramsch on June 25, 2012, 6:08 GMT

    banning is ok for me but odi penalty should get ban on odi not other formats & same with other formats. bad umpiring + no misbah was crucial but very poor batting performance from pak & some how i feel that hafez is not ready to be captain of tests. his batting form gone since captain or vice captain.toufeq last played in feb vs eng & failed. younas not in form as well. this test is lost but thy should try to spend time & get some form now.

  • Dhushan on June 25, 2012, 5:21 GMT

    Misbah playing this match would not have changed the result, only maybe take longer for SL to win. I do have to agree with Whatmore on what he's saying though. Penalties should be given in that particular match. This can be done if the team bowling 1st is short of the particular number of overs. Then they would maybe have to chase in a lesser number of overs, however, I don't know what can be done in an ODI when the team bowling 2nd is short of the overs. Then I guess fining them is the way to go.

  • jmcilhinney on June 25, 2012, 5:14 GMT

    This rule has been in place for some time. This is like so many cases where people don't have anything to say about a rule until it directly affects them, at which time they are suddenly against it. Low over rates is a serious issue in Test cricket. The fact that Whatmore has something to say about it now indicates that this penalty has hurt and therefore Pakistan may be less likely to commit a similar offence again. I'm not picking on Pakistan either. All teams, including my own England, are guilty of poor over rates at times and I'm pleased to see the ICC making a real effort to do something about it. Let's hope that it doesn't get to the stage of the umpires having to try to force bowling teams to get on with it on the field. I'd be disappointed if England were to suffer a similar fate but, if they do, they will deserve it.

  • Udendra on June 25, 2012, 4:56 GMT

    @ProdigyB: ha ha lol, well said!

  • A_S_M on June 25, 2012, 4:48 GMT

    Perhaps better to ban the offender in the next single ODI and NOT Test match as the offence was committed in an ODI and not in a Test match. Also, it dilutes the reason for a ban in the next match as the present match was still won by the opposing side (SL) despite the slower over-rate of the Pakistan team. Perhaps, better to take action within the on-going (present) match, as Dev Whatmore suggests, by imposing suitable penalties instead of imposing a ban in the next. Also, don't rule out the effect of regular financial bans, albeit 'little', as it, too, can have have a cumulative punishing effect over time; add to this the 'bad statistics' the country generates for itself.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on June 25, 2012, 4:39 GMT

    Whatmore got idea when own captain penalized. Poor Dhoni!

  • Pathiyal on June 25, 2012, 4:32 GMT

    ICC decision is illogical. this is regarding of whether misbah's inclusion would have resulted differently! they could have penalised him by taking his match fee not by sacking him for next game. they will have to correct themselves. they have to review the umpiring decisions in the ongoing test.

  • agent001 on June 25, 2012, 4:15 GMT

    The punishment must be balanced with the crime committed. It makes no sense to penalize the captain of any team for 5 day test when the slow overrate was in the ODI. If an ODI had followed the one where the slow overs were committed then the punishment would have been for one day not five days. The law fails the smell test and appears stupid by design. It has nothing to do with any one saving a test match.

  • on June 25, 2012, 3:14 GMT

    Win or loss does not matter. However, the rules need to make sense. slow over rate in ODI should not lead to penalties in Test - this is ridiculous as there are totally different formats. One ODI does not equal to one Test - infact 5 ODIs should equal a Test. Similarly, T20 penalties should not apply to ODI. How long does it take ICC to realize this simple logic? Secondly, 7 decisions in favor of SL (one wrong decision against SL does not matter as he would have been out earlier if right decision was made) while batting and 3 decisions against Pakistan while batting actually means you are playing 17 wickets of SL vs 7 wickets of Pakistan - is this a fair contest? Who is expected to win with this lopsided contest, irrespective of how one bats? Most likely SL will win but it is the Umpires and the ICC management that has failed.

  • bobagorof on June 25, 2012, 2:16 GMT

    The reason for banning the captain is because financial penalties weren't effective in reducing the instance of slow overs. The public who pay to see the match want to see as much cricket as possible (leaving aside the argument of going off for light and slight drizzle). Teams used to bowl 16-17 overs an hour on a regular basis, now it's more like 12. With financial penalties not working, the ICC decided to take stronger action - banning a player is a pretty big incentive. Imposing penalties during the match, like penalty runs for example, is a good idea but still leaves open cases for abuse, such as the final day of a Test.

  • bobagorof on June 25, 2012, 2:09 GMT

    @Altamash.Baig: Unless it's Shahid Afridi (who retires if his socks haven't been washed with the right detergent), I don't think it will be much of a problem. Players generally only retire at the end of their careers, and while there may be lots of one-format-only Captains in future, it's unlikely that they will base their retirement decision around over rates. The worst-case scenario is that a Captain who has already chosen to retire after the match may be tardy during their final game - I don't think you'll have a succession of players being made captain and retiring so the team escapes penalties for slow over rates!

  • ProdigyA on June 25, 2012, 1:34 GMT

    ur rite..lets ban the coach and the pcb chairman.

  • samincolumbia on June 25, 2012, 1:15 GMT

    The list of excuses for the mediocre performances keep growing by the day!

  • d1n0 on June 25, 2012, 0:36 GMT

    That's why you have vice-captains!

  • Nadeem1976 on June 25, 2012, 0:08 GMT

    what a tragedy , whole pakistani nation wants Misbah to only play test cricket but he was not allowed by ICC. When we want him not to play ODI he keeps on playing and losing and when we ask him to Play test cricket, he is banned.

    If ICC needs to save test cricket then they cannot ban test captain on the basis of poor run rate in ODI's.

    However the way Pakistani played, i don't think even with Misbah they would score more than 150 runs. Sad batting display. No temperament at all.

  • Happy_AusBang on June 24, 2012, 23:45 GMT

    Not just the batting, I have doubts about the Pakistan bowling as well. It is a good unit in terms of attack, but there is a lack of defensive bowling in the team. When the chips are down, when the other team starts playing them well, the bowlers don't seem to have a clue how to contain runs. This may be because the captain and the team is not used to think in terms of containing and defensive bowling; also, fielding plays a vital part in containing the other team, an area in which Pakistan is simply not up to the mark. What we see as a result, when the bowlers don't have any joy with their attacks, they start leaking runs in abundance. When they were not getting any wickets (thanks partly to the atrocious umpiring), they should have been able to contain the runs and soon opportunities would have come their way.

    The other thing I wanted to say, Umar Gul should not be an automatic selection in every match in every format of the game. There are a few other bowlers waiting in the wings.

  • Alphabaig on June 24, 2012, 23:06 GMT

    Something for the ICC to think about, a special case scenario: A Captain playing only 1 format of the game, announces his retirement after the match in which the over rate offence occured

    At a time when teams are looking to have different set of players for different formats and a lot of players retiring to play in various leagues, the above mentioned scenario may not be as unlikely as it initially seems.

  • drdani on June 24, 2012, 22:22 GMT

    @yorklanka-- :) @Morfi-- correct !!

  • on June 24, 2012, 22:17 GMT

    Misbah is not Rahul Dravid, they would have still lost. Pakistani batting is brittle and old...just like the Indians and no fresh talent in the horizon

  • on June 24, 2012, 21:54 GMT

    Dropping ajmal in the last odi costed pakistan 2 matchez...That match and this match....

  • on June 24, 2012, 21:45 GMT

    Absence of the captain can be huge for a team...Itz not jst the absence of the player but it also effect the players mentaly... bt its no time to make excuses for pakistan...Our batting is not up to the mark and he have to xcept it... N i dnt think tht our batsmans lack talent ...I belive its the slw bating approach tht alows opositions bowling to get on top n implement their plans....Pakistan have to be a bit positive in their approach...

  • Morfi on June 24, 2012, 20:12 GMT

    Yes, and the point is also that an ODI offence shd carry and ODI penalty and a Test match offence shd carry a test match penalty and so on. The dynamics are all different in every game. Banning someone from a test match based on a slow ODI over rate is like punishing a traffic light offence on a small city road with a fine for overspeeding and crashing on a motorway!

  • yorkslanka on June 24, 2012, 20:04 GMT

    @the wallster- in that case are you against England resting three main bowlers for the third ODI vs WI if it had not been rained off?Surely the paying public would have been deprived then also wouldn't it?

  • the_wallster on June 24, 2012, 19:43 GMT

    Whatmore's talking rubbish. The paying public come to watch cricket. If you don't get 90 overs a day in, they're not watching cricket, they're watching the team mess around. The paying public demands this, and the punishment is just.

  • KingOwl on June 24, 2012, 18:50 GMT

    Pathetic excuses. Don't bring in all these demands for rule changes when the team is doing poorly. Do so when the team is doing well. Then, there will be greater credibility.

  • Syed_imran_abbas on June 24, 2012, 18:45 GMT

    I agree with watmore.. Best Players and Best Umpires as well please ICC.

  • Herath-UK on June 24, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    Dave has a point unless the captain is a habitual offender in that regard. I feel Misbah is a good captain and his absence is a real loss to the Pak team but overall even we Lankans would enjoy a good game than a decimated one. Ranil Herath - Kent

  • merandy on June 24, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    I agree with Whatmore. What's the point of banning the captain of the team. It's a team event and the entire team should be responsible even though captain has major responsibility to prevent these situations. On the other hand I saw Afridi was involving in excessively with field placements and it looked to me he was dragging the captain. As Whatmore said the fine should not be imposed to the next match. This is very unfair unless the captain deliberately slowed down the over rate.

  • billbowden311 on June 24, 2012, 18:06 GMT

    Yeah the over rate thing is very stupid!

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  • billbowden311 on June 24, 2012, 18:06 GMT

    Yeah the over rate thing is very stupid!

  • merandy on June 24, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    I agree with Whatmore. What's the point of banning the captain of the team. It's a team event and the entire team should be responsible even though captain has major responsibility to prevent these situations. On the other hand I saw Afridi was involving in excessively with field placements and it looked to me he was dragging the captain. As Whatmore said the fine should not be imposed to the next match. This is very unfair unless the captain deliberately slowed down the over rate.

  • Herath-UK on June 24, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    Dave has a point unless the captain is a habitual offender in that regard. I feel Misbah is a good captain and his absence is a real loss to the Pak team but overall even we Lankans would enjoy a good game than a decimated one. Ranil Herath - Kent

  • Syed_imran_abbas on June 24, 2012, 18:45 GMT

    I agree with watmore.. Best Players and Best Umpires as well please ICC.

  • KingOwl on June 24, 2012, 18:50 GMT

    Pathetic excuses. Don't bring in all these demands for rule changes when the team is doing poorly. Do so when the team is doing well. Then, there will be greater credibility.

  • the_wallster on June 24, 2012, 19:43 GMT

    Whatmore's talking rubbish. The paying public come to watch cricket. If you don't get 90 overs a day in, they're not watching cricket, they're watching the team mess around. The paying public demands this, and the punishment is just.

  • yorkslanka on June 24, 2012, 20:04 GMT

    @the wallster- in that case are you against England resting three main bowlers for the third ODI vs WI if it had not been rained off?Surely the paying public would have been deprived then also wouldn't it?

  • Morfi on June 24, 2012, 20:12 GMT

    Yes, and the point is also that an ODI offence shd carry and ODI penalty and a Test match offence shd carry a test match penalty and so on. The dynamics are all different in every game. Banning someone from a test match based on a slow ODI over rate is like punishing a traffic light offence on a small city road with a fine for overspeeding and crashing on a motorway!

  • on June 24, 2012, 21:45 GMT

    Absence of the captain can be huge for a team...Itz not jst the absence of the player but it also effect the players mentaly... bt its no time to make excuses for pakistan...Our batting is not up to the mark and he have to xcept it... N i dnt think tht our batsmans lack talent ...I belive its the slw bating approach tht alows opositions bowling to get on top n implement their plans....Pakistan have to be a bit positive in their approach...

  • on June 24, 2012, 21:54 GMT

    Dropping ajmal in the last odi costed pakistan 2 matchez...That match and this match....