The Ashes 2013-14 October 16, 2013

Australia's Gabba Test team announcement on November 12

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Australia's Ashes squad announcement for the first Test in Brisbane has again been turned into a major set-piece event more than a week ahead of the toss of the coin, this time coinciding with the unveiling of the $26 million Centre of Excellence upgrade in Brisbane.

In 2010 the naming of a distended 17-man squad for the first Test in a made-for-television event on a grey day at Sydney's Circular Quay was widely criticised by players as a source of unease and tension ahead of a series England went on to romp in by a 3-1 margin. The sight of Nathan Hauritz huddling under an umbrella - he would be dropped when the squad was trimmed - summed up the uncertain nature of the occasion.

That event took place 10 days before the start of the series, but three years and an Argus review later the current Ashes squad will be announced on November 12, nine days before the Test and with a round of Sheffield Shield matches still to play. This also means that the likes of Phillip Hughes, George Bailey and Mitchell Johnson, all serious contenders for a place in the team, will only have one Shield fixture after their return from India before finding out if they will be playing in Brisbane.

Allrounder Shane Watson was among numerous players who questioned the wisdom of the 2010 announcement's timing. "Throughout last summer I felt there was a growing sense of panic all over the place which, to be honest, wasn't helped by CA announcing a bigger than usual Ashes squad down at the Rocks in Sydney in Nov 2010," Watson wrote in his 2011 autobiography, Watto.

"I don't know why the squad was named that early; there was still one more round of first-class games as well as the Australia A game against England to be completed. For guys who might have been under pressure, there was another week to be able to find some form. On the flip side, the players who were in contention for a place had a chance to put some pressure on the guys already in the team."

This time it is far less likely that the squad will be more than 12 or 13, with the conclusion of the Australia A match against the Englishmen on November 9 allowing the selectors to complete deliberations over their two most salient questions: who will bat at No. 6 and who will be part of the bowling attack with James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc and Jackson Bird unavailable due to injury.

The selectors are believed to be comfortable with the event's timing, and will reserve the right to add or subtract bowlers from the squad depending on fitness and form in the final Shield round before the squad assembles in Brisbane on Monday, November 18.

Guests for the announcement will first be guided through the upgraded Centre of Excellence facilities, which have been improved via a combination of CA revenues and funding from state and federal governments. Players at the centre are now able to prepare on a range of pitches while also using numerous advanced training aids.

Earlier this year, England broadcast their squad for the first Ashes Test at Trent Bridge four days before the match, after the final round of county and tour matches had run their course. The announcement by Geoff Miller, the chairman of selectors, was televised on Sky Sports.

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • POSTED BY Ram.TG on | October 19, 2013, 6:49 GMT

    CA - Common, It's OK to lose; show some courage!

    Try blitz the brits.

    Go with Warner, Finch, Watson, Clarke, Bailey, Smith (spinner), Wade, Faulkner, M.Jonhson, Siddle, Harris.

  • POSTED BY Shaggy076 on | October 19, 2013, 0:45 GMT

    I think the final couple of selections will depend on the first couple of shiel games at the moment the XL looks like Rogers, TBC, Watson, Clarke, Smith, TBC,, Haddin, Johnson, Harris, Siddle and Lyon with another quick and maybe Faulkner in the side. There is heaps of comp for those last couple of places which is good for Australia as well as the last quick. My preferred side at this stage is Rogers, Klinger, Watson, Clarke, Smith, Hughes, Wade, Johnson, Siddle, Harris, Lyon with 12th man Sayers or Cutting.

  • POSTED BY on | October 18, 2013, 5:00 GMT

    Warner Rodgers Watson Clarke bailey maddinson Paine siddle starc harris lyon

  • POSTED BY Matt. on | October 18, 2013, 3:56 GMT

    I agree with most of what you say @alstar2281. Warner needs to step out and clear his head and clean up his technique. I think Klinger should replace him. I wouldn't put Hughes in the opening spot though, he's too risky in that position. I think whoever performs the best in Shield out of Hughes, Bailey and Cosgrove should bat at 6. All 3 should be in the squad. I agree Johnson is too risky, have him in the squad and maybe play him in Perth. I'm not which of the young guns is the best though...Cutting, Hazelwood, Sayers, Coulter-Nile? Not sure id be too keen on Hilf either. Hopefully Patto can get back soon

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | October 18, 2013, 3:38 GMT

    I see CA haven't heard that saying about doing the same thing and expecting different results.

    @ss1981 and Ram.TG: Starc is injured and out for the Summer. Bird is also injured and certainly won't play the first test..

    @RyanHarrisGreatCricketer: so your logic is that Rogers isn't good enough because he doesn't rotate the strike, even though he averages 50 in FC cricket and was one of the few Australian batting successes in England, but Quiney, whose only 3 test innings are 9, 0 and 0 and S. Marsh, whose last test series in 2011 garnered him 17 runs at an average of 2.66, and who both have FC averages in the 30s, are just the players to steer Aus to victory. Fascinating.

  • POSTED BY Ms.Cricket on | October 17, 2013, 11:12 GMT

    Cricket Australia should stop their ridiculous policy of not playing Siddle and Lyon in the ODIs. Australia is the only team in the world that cotton-balls its best bowlers even though the policy has failed miserably. Australia has fallen down the ODI rankings over the years. Never did they rest McGrath, Warne or other front-line bowlers during their days of dominition.

  • POSTED BY Ms.Cricket on | October 17, 2013, 11:12 GMT

    CA will pick Rogers, Watson, Clarke. And the rest are useless. Why get excited about this?

  • POSTED BY James_Murphy on | October 17, 2013, 10:24 GMT

    Warner is a certainty. 139 today cements his spot. His average in Aus the last two years has been great also and he can put the fear of god in the opposition. He can take the game away in a session. The three quicks are likely sids rhino and Mitch j and Lyon is likely to play unless fawad takes a few bags in the shield. The only spot for me is 6. Could be any of Hughes, bailey, Faulkner with roughies being Voges and Maddinson. I'd go Bailey however I wouldn't be surprised if they go Haddin at six, Faulkner at seven. Gives bowling options and relief to Harris and Siddle. Warner rogers Watson Clarke Smith Bailey Haddin Johnson Siddle Harris and Lyon

  • POSTED BY KhanMitch on | October 17, 2013, 9:55 GMT

    I think its fine to name the squad 10 days before the test because we would have played enough Ryobi and shield games by that stage. Rogers, Warner, Watson, Clarke, Khawaja, Smith, Haddin, Johnson, Harris, Siddle, Lyon, Faulkner 12th man. I am going on this with early Ryobi form as Khawaja has top scored in the last 3 games and should hopefully take this form into shield. I am not sure about Warner but he did get 70 in Durban and got a 100 today. Bowling sorts itself out as Johnson has to come in.

  • POSTED BY Barnesy4444 on | October 17, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    alstar2281, that's a very accurate and sensible statement. There is an opener's spot and number 6 up for grabs. I also lean towards Hughes and Bailey but would like to see Bailey do something against the red ball with 3 slips and a gully, he favours the leg side a bit too much. It would be good for Warner to have a break from the international spotlight for the benefit of the whole squad if Bailey scores some Shield runs.

  • POSTED BY Ram.TG on | October 19, 2013, 6:49 GMT

    CA - Common, It's OK to lose; show some courage!

    Try blitz the brits.

    Go with Warner, Finch, Watson, Clarke, Bailey, Smith (spinner), Wade, Faulkner, M.Jonhson, Siddle, Harris.

  • POSTED BY Shaggy076 on | October 19, 2013, 0:45 GMT

    I think the final couple of selections will depend on the first couple of shiel games at the moment the XL looks like Rogers, TBC, Watson, Clarke, Smith, TBC,, Haddin, Johnson, Harris, Siddle and Lyon with another quick and maybe Faulkner in the side. There is heaps of comp for those last couple of places which is good for Australia as well as the last quick. My preferred side at this stage is Rogers, Klinger, Watson, Clarke, Smith, Hughes, Wade, Johnson, Siddle, Harris, Lyon with 12th man Sayers or Cutting.

  • POSTED BY on | October 18, 2013, 5:00 GMT

    Warner Rodgers Watson Clarke bailey maddinson Paine siddle starc harris lyon

  • POSTED BY Matt. on | October 18, 2013, 3:56 GMT

    I agree with most of what you say @alstar2281. Warner needs to step out and clear his head and clean up his technique. I think Klinger should replace him. I wouldn't put Hughes in the opening spot though, he's too risky in that position. I think whoever performs the best in Shield out of Hughes, Bailey and Cosgrove should bat at 6. All 3 should be in the squad. I agree Johnson is too risky, have him in the squad and maybe play him in Perth. I'm not which of the young guns is the best though...Cutting, Hazelwood, Sayers, Coulter-Nile? Not sure id be too keen on Hilf either. Hopefully Patto can get back soon

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | October 18, 2013, 3:38 GMT

    I see CA haven't heard that saying about doing the same thing and expecting different results.

    @ss1981 and Ram.TG: Starc is injured and out for the Summer. Bird is also injured and certainly won't play the first test..

    @RyanHarrisGreatCricketer: so your logic is that Rogers isn't good enough because he doesn't rotate the strike, even though he averages 50 in FC cricket and was one of the few Australian batting successes in England, but Quiney, whose only 3 test innings are 9, 0 and 0 and S. Marsh, whose last test series in 2011 garnered him 17 runs at an average of 2.66, and who both have FC averages in the 30s, are just the players to steer Aus to victory. Fascinating.

  • POSTED BY Ms.Cricket on | October 17, 2013, 11:12 GMT

    Cricket Australia should stop their ridiculous policy of not playing Siddle and Lyon in the ODIs. Australia is the only team in the world that cotton-balls its best bowlers even though the policy has failed miserably. Australia has fallen down the ODI rankings over the years. Never did they rest McGrath, Warne or other front-line bowlers during their days of dominition.

  • POSTED BY Ms.Cricket on | October 17, 2013, 11:12 GMT

    CA will pick Rogers, Watson, Clarke. And the rest are useless. Why get excited about this?

  • POSTED BY James_Murphy on | October 17, 2013, 10:24 GMT

    Warner is a certainty. 139 today cements his spot. His average in Aus the last two years has been great also and he can put the fear of god in the opposition. He can take the game away in a session. The three quicks are likely sids rhino and Mitch j and Lyon is likely to play unless fawad takes a few bags in the shield. The only spot for me is 6. Could be any of Hughes, bailey, Faulkner with roughies being Voges and Maddinson. I'd go Bailey however I wouldn't be surprised if they go Haddin at six, Faulkner at seven. Gives bowling options and relief to Harris and Siddle. Warner rogers Watson Clarke Smith Bailey Haddin Johnson Siddle Harris and Lyon

  • POSTED BY KhanMitch on | October 17, 2013, 9:55 GMT

    I think its fine to name the squad 10 days before the test because we would have played enough Ryobi and shield games by that stage. Rogers, Warner, Watson, Clarke, Khawaja, Smith, Haddin, Johnson, Harris, Siddle, Lyon, Faulkner 12th man. I am going on this with early Ryobi form as Khawaja has top scored in the last 3 games and should hopefully take this form into shield. I am not sure about Warner but he did get 70 in Durban and got a 100 today. Bowling sorts itself out as Johnson has to come in.

  • POSTED BY Barnesy4444 on | October 17, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    alstar2281, that's a very accurate and sensible statement. There is an opener's spot and number 6 up for grabs. I also lean towards Hughes and Bailey but would like to see Bailey do something against the red ball with 3 slips and a gully, he favours the leg side a bit too much. It would be good for Warner to have a break from the international spotlight for the benefit of the whole squad if Bailey scores some Shield runs.

  • POSTED BY on | October 17, 2013, 8:56 GMT

    Rogers, Warner, Watson, Clarke, Smith, Bailey, Hartley/Paine, Johnson, Hauritz, Siddle, Harris

  • POSTED BY RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on | October 17, 2013, 5:51 GMT

    I do think that this is the xi aus should stick with:

    Watson, Quiney, S Marsh, Clarke, Maddinson, Smith, Haddin, Harris, Siddle, Lyon, Hilfenhaus or Holland

    No point in searching for a no.6 rather push down steve smith, who plays spinners well to 6 and get a top order player .

    No rogers because he struggles to rotate the strike and no warner because he plays short pitched bowling poorly

  • POSTED BY Ram.TG on | October 17, 2013, 5:46 GMT

    1. Watson 2. Rogers 3. Finch 4. Clarke 5. Bailey 6. Smith 7. Haddin 8. Starc 9. Siddle 10. Johnson 11. Harris

  • POSTED BY alstar2281 on | October 16, 2013, 23:16 GMT

    It worked wonders last time. CA just don't learn do they!! 1. Rogers, 2. TBA, 3. Watson, 4.Clarke, 5. Smith, 6. TBA 7. Haddin, 8. Harris, 9. Siddle, 10. TBA, 11. Lyon. Batting wise their are two spots, 2 & 6. Sheild form should be crucial. I like the idea of Bailey at 6 but he needs to get back to shield Cricket & get at least one century on the board in that form of the game as he struggled last year.I will go with who ever is scoring shield runs. I would not have Warner in the team, he needs some time out. 2nd Opener spot is there for anyone to take at this point in time. Shield runs crucial. Klinger would be roughy if he holds his ODD form into the shield & Hughes in with a chance, but I'd prefer him to be playing shield instead of ODIs. Kwajah may look good but he doesn't impress me with his attitude or application. Their is one fast bowler spot open - but not for M.Johnson, it is just too risky. Lyon is the best spinner. Ahmed has alot of hype but he looks average to me.

  • POSTED BY ss1981 on | October 16, 2013, 23:02 GMT

    I haven't settled on what my ideal first test XI would be, given the fitness concerns of Clarke, Bird and Starc, nor do give much weight to the Ryobi Cup form as that really only provides a baseline for Sydney form. Despite being one of my favourite players, I'm not yet sold on Aaron Finch as being a test-quality batsman, and won't be until he starts making runs consistently at Sheffield Shield level, same with George Bailey.

    All things being equal and with fitness not being an issue (except for Pattinson who all but ruled himself out of the first test a few weeks ago), my XI would resemble something along the lines of; 1. Rogers, 2. Watson, 3. Clarke (C), 4. Smith, 5. Voges, 6. Maddinson/Warner, 7. Haddin (WK), 8. Siddle, 9. Harris, 10. Starc/Bird, 11. Lyon

    If either Starc and Bird weren't fit, I'd have no issues with Ben Cutting joining the squad, along with Fawad Ahmed being in the squad, as wrist spinners can be quite successful at the 'Gabba on days four and five.

  • POSTED BY OneEyedAussie on | October 16, 2013, 22:43 GMT

    This farce will only compound the difficulties created by CA when they scheduled this ridiculous 7 ODI series against India.

    Looking at the photo accompanying the article I can't help but be reminded of what a ludicrous decision it was to pick Doherty over Hauritz for Brisbane and Adelaide. So, what will we see this year? Finch opening? Glenn Maxwell as a specialist spinner? Agar batting at 6? At least I won't have to wait too long to find out!

  • POSTED BY bobagorof on | October 16, 2013, 22:42 GMT

    Why is it necessary to turn the naming of the team into a media spectacle? Is CA really that hard up for cash that they can't hold a separate media conference or issue a press release announcing the squad, and they have to tack it on to another media event? If they aren't, then why announce it so far ahead of the match? What is gained from this, to compensate for removing the opportunity for players to post another score and put their names forward? And if bowlers are able to added or removed from the squad based on the final round of matches, then what is the point of naming the squad in the first place? Why not wait until the matches are done? Can someone at the announcement please ask?

  • POSTED BY ShutTheGate on | October 16, 2013, 21:56 GMT

    @Barnsey444 Starc and Pattinson are injured and unavailable for the Brisbane test and you're proposing to drop Siddle?

  • POSTED BY Paul_JT on | October 16, 2013, 21:48 GMT

    Warner or Hughes is a conundrum given the different conditions of their preparations. A similar, though less important, contest also exists for the reserve bowling slot. As it is, my squad: Rogers, Hughes or Warner, Watson, Clarke, Bailey, Smith, Haddin, Johnson, Harris, Siddle, Lyon, plus Faulkner or Hazlewood (12th man) and D Hussey if Clarke is unfit.

  • POSTED BY anton1234 on | October 16, 2013, 18:46 GMT

    Australia do have some problems. They couldn't defend 360 today and were beaten with plenty to spare.

  • POSTED BY Barnesy4444 on | October 16, 2013, 17:03 GMT

    Mary786, I agree the team should be based on form, Shield form, NOT one day form. If players were selected on form then Hughes wouldn't have been dropped from the test team in England and Khawaja wouldn't have gotten a game at all. Hughes was averaging over 60, Khawaja under 30 yet he gets a game ahead of Hughes!! Hughes is an opener, Warner is a number 6 (if he's picked at all given his recent behaviour). I forgot to name Siddle in my probable 12.

  • POSTED BY ihaq1 on | October 16, 2013, 16:39 GMT

    Finch, bailey, maddinson although short version experts might be inking themselves in as firstline test players although Finch could end up playing one down since khawaja was not such a great success...rogers, watson, aaron finch, clarke, Bailey, steve smith, spinner, wicketkeeper,Johnson, harris, siddle, maddinson, reserve fastbowler

  • POSTED BY sampu_sheikh on | October 16, 2013, 15:36 GMT

    My Squad for Australia

    1. Watson 2. Rogers 3. Khawaja 4. Clarke 5. Bailey 6. Steve Smith 7. Haddin 8. Agar 9. Siddle 10. Johnson 11. Harris 12. Cutting 13. P Hughes 14. Wade 15. F Ahmed

  • POSTED BY Jaffa79 on | October 16, 2013, 15:18 GMT

    Oh brilliant! This was superb last time around! So...a 24 man squad to be announced it is then!

  • POSTED BY anton1234 on | October 16, 2013, 13:59 GMT

    Looks like Finch and Bailey are playing themselves right into contention now. If Warner is unstable mentally then Funch has to be given a go. He could take England apart. Bailey looks very solid in the ODI arena and I am sure will be able to transfer some of that form to the middle order.

  • POSTED BY Mary_786 on | October 16, 2013, 13:14 GMT

    @barnsey444 I am a fan of Warner and Hughes but we need to pick on early shield and ryobi form. I am against picking based on ODI form in India because the pitches there are flat and low and in complete contrast to what we will get in the ashes here. Guys such as Smith and Khawaja have started the Ryobi well and will hopefully continue their form in the shield as we need both these guys. Hopefully warner does well in the shield games otherwise he might lose his position as well.My tip is that it will be Rogers, Warner, Watson, Clarke, Khawaja, Smith, Haddin, Johnson, Harris, Siddle, Lyon, Faulkner 12th man

  • POSTED BY Barnesy4444 on | October 16, 2013, 12:22 GMT

    Players can be talked to behind the scenes about possibility of selection and what they need to do. Publicly announcing the team too early doesn't serve any purpose at all. Either way it should probably be: 1) Rogers, 2) Hughes, 3) Watson, 4) Clarke, 5) Smith, 6) Warner/Bailey, 7) Haddin, 8) Starc, 9) Pattinson, 10) Harris, 11) Lyon.

  • POSTED BY RJHB on | October 16, 2013, 11:57 GMT

    Lost for words! CA have absolutely lost the plot.

  • POSTED BY ejp2795 on | October 16, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    In recent years the Aussie team has been taking the field with Icehouse's "Great Southern Land" blaring over the PA, maybe from now on it should be Paul Kelly's "(I've done all the) Dumb Things"!!

  • POSTED BY nzcricket174 on | October 16, 2013, 7:59 GMT

    Definitely should have given players that one extra chance to prove their worth through the sheffield shield

  • POSTED BY Behind_the_bowlers_arm on | October 16, 2013, 7:38 GMT

    Australia playing in India rather than preparing CHECK. Injuries meaning a bowling attack of Siddle & Johnson CHECK. England having better run up fixtures CHECK. Ludicrous naming of squad as a PR opportunity rather than being driven by cricketing common sense CHECK. We just about have our ducks in a line for a re-run of 2010/11 by the look of it. Madness is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. The squad should be named (with no big ceremony or drinks soiree with finger food) on the evening of the final pre Test Shield game.

  • POSTED BY Charlie101 on | October 16, 2013, 7:31 GMT

    After the Oval test the Aussie talk from Ian Chappel and others was that "now Australia have a settled batting line up 1 -6 . So does it matter that there is one more round of Sheffield Shield games ??? There have to be some bowling changes but Siddle , Harris and Lyons must be already inked in so not many places are up fo grabs .

  • POSTED BY Big-Dog on | October 16, 2013, 7:30 GMT

    I can predict it now: Warner, Finch, Johnson, Ahmed......and every other no hoper that the NSW media has promoted at will. With the NSP's penchant for refusing to select on form or selecting test players on ODI & T20 form, we are doomed.

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | October 16, 2013, 6:57 GMT

    This is good news. Threre will be less anxiety once the feeling of being selected sets in.

  • POSTED BY azzaman333 on | October 16, 2013, 6:28 GMT

    Absolutely stupid timing. The team should be announced AFTER the 3rd round of Sheffield Shield so the selectors can actually take all relevant from 4 day cricket into consideration for their decision. It's not like there isn't time, there's 4 full days between the end of the 3rd Shield round and the 1st test. If, say Cutting or Hazlewood takes 10fa, or Maddinson or Khawaja makes a big ton at the Gabba in the NSW v Queensland match and they aren't part of the squad for the first test, it'll make an absolute mockery of the selection process, not to mention the other 4 states playing cricket around the country. I just hope that those selected for the first test also play for their respective Shield sides in that 3rd round, but I expect they'll be put in cotton wool in case of injury, rather than letting them spend some time in the middle in a competitive 4 day game. The management of this team is deplorable.

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  • POSTED BY azzaman333 on | October 16, 2013, 6:28 GMT

    Absolutely stupid timing. The team should be announced AFTER the 3rd round of Sheffield Shield so the selectors can actually take all relevant from 4 day cricket into consideration for their decision. It's not like there isn't time, there's 4 full days between the end of the 3rd Shield round and the 1st test. If, say Cutting or Hazlewood takes 10fa, or Maddinson or Khawaja makes a big ton at the Gabba in the NSW v Queensland match and they aren't part of the squad for the first test, it'll make an absolute mockery of the selection process, not to mention the other 4 states playing cricket around the country. I just hope that those selected for the first test also play for their respective Shield sides in that 3rd round, but I expect they'll be put in cotton wool in case of injury, rather than letting them spend some time in the middle in a competitive 4 day game. The management of this team is deplorable.

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | October 16, 2013, 6:57 GMT

    This is good news. Threre will be less anxiety once the feeling of being selected sets in.

  • POSTED BY Big-Dog on | October 16, 2013, 7:30 GMT

    I can predict it now: Warner, Finch, Johnson, Ahmed......and every other no hoper that the NSW media has promoted at will. With the NSP's penchant for refusing to select on form or selecting test players on ODI & T20 form, we are doomed.

  • POSTED BY Charlie101 on | October 16, 2013, 7:31 GMT

    After the Oval test the Aussie talk from Ian Chappel and others was that "now Australia have a settled batting line up 1 -6 . So does it matter that there is one more round of Sheffield Shield games ??? There have to be some bowling changes but Siddle , Harris and Lyons must be already inked in so not many places are up fo grabs .

  • POSTED BY Behind_the_bowlers_arm on | October 16, 2013, 7:38 GMT

    Australia playing in India rather than preparing CHECK. Injuries meaning a bowling attack of Siddle & Johnson CHECK. England having better run up fixtures CHECK. Ludicrous naming of squad as a PR opportunity rather than being driven by cricketing common sense CHECK. We just about have our ducks in a line for a re-run of 2010/11 by the look of it. Madness is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. The squad should be named (with no big ceremony or drinks soiree with finger food) on the evening of the final pre Test Shield game.

  • POSTED BY nzcricket174 on | October 16, 2013, 7:59 GMT

    Definitely should have given players that one extra chance to prove their worth through the sheffield shield

  • POSTED BY ejp2795 on | October 16, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    In recent years the Aussie team has been taking the field with Icehouse's "Great Southern Land" blaring over the PA, maybe from now on it should be Paul Kelly's "(I've done all the) Dumb Things"!!

  • POSTED BY RJHB on | October 16, 2013, 11:57 GMT

    Lost for words! CA have absolutely lost the plot.

  • POSTED BY Barnesy4444 on | October 16, 2013, 12:22 GMT

    Players can be talked to behind the scenes about possibility of selection and what they need to do. Publicly announcing the team too early doesn't serve any purpose at all. Either way it should probably be: 1) Rogers, 2) Hughes, 3) Watson, 4) Clarke, 5) Smith, 6) Warner/Bailey, 7) Haddin, 8) Starc, 9) Pattinson, 10) Harris, 11) Lyon.

  • POSTED BY Mary_786 on | October 16, 2013, 13:14 GMT

    @barnsey444 I am a fan of Warner and Hughes but we need to pick on early shield and ryobi form. I am against picking based on ODI form in India because the pitches there are flat and low and in complete contrast to what we will get in the ashes here. Guys such as Smith and Khawaja have started the Ryobi well and will hopefully continue their form in the shield as we need both these guys. Hopefully warner does well in the shield games otherwise he might lose his position as well.My tip is that it will be Rogers, Warner, Watson, Clarke, Khawaja, Smith, Haddin, Johnson, Harris, Siddle, Lyon, Faulkner 12th man