The Ashes 2013-14 November 25, 2013

'You just can't take any more' - Trescothick

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Marcus Trescothick has urged the media and public to give Jonathan Trott the time and space he needs to overcome the stress-related illness that has forced him to leave the Ashes tour.

Trescothick has first-hand experience of being in such a position having left the 2006-07 Ashes in the same situation after previously suffering on the 2005-06 tour to India. He has since been credited with helping break the stigma around mental illness, especially among sportsmen, and has said that cricket should now pale into insignificance for Trott compared to his health and well-being.

Andy Flower, the England team director, revealed that Trott had been managing his condition over an extended period of time before a decision was made at the end of the third day of the Brisbane Test that he should return home and Trescothick recalled the memories of his own traumatic experience seven years ago.

"You just can't take any more, you just can't get through the day let alone go out there and play a Test match and win a Test match," he told Sky Sports News. I sympathise with Trotty. I've been in that exact situation in '06 and '07 and tried to make that decision knowing that the consequences and all the attention it's going to bring on to you are going to be tough.

"I think we just need to allow a bit of time, that's the key at this point. I know there's going to be a massive media scrum over the next couple of days. We'll probably see him flying back home and seeing him arrive back at his house, but we just need to allow him that bit of time to get well again because your health is far more important than any game of cricket that we play.

There have been suggestions that Trott should not have been selected for the tour if his situation was known by the selectors, but Trescothick said the illness did not make such decisions straight forward and that emotions can sway in a short period of time.

"I've been in this position and you try to cope but it's very, very tough. I've started tours sometimes, feeling not in the right place and not in the the right state of mind but managed to get through the little period that you can carry on playing and doing well - but clearly it has got too much.''

In another interview, with BBC Radio Five Live, Trescothick added that Trott would only have made things worse for himself if he had tried to carry on.

"It would have been a horrible decision to make, to come out and talk about these things for the first time is tough, I'm sure he's not feeling great at all, but he's definitely made the right decision.

"When you're in that state of mind you get very good at hiding these things but there comes a time where you have to talk about it. It just gets too big sometimes and the best thing to do is to take some time away from it.

"It's debilitating, it grinds you down, and it's difficult to escape from, you can't get away from it in all areas of your life. There is no hiding place from it, 24/7. It's really really tough and it will take time for him to get back on track again.''

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  • dr.saurabhg on November 25, 2013, 21:53 GMT

    This incident reminded me of a certain gentleman called Robert Enke !!! Same stress cut short a promising career and life... so I feel Mr Trott took the best decision to take some time off and relax... After all Life has to take precedence over the game... and its high time we the fans and media realised that all our heroes our Human beings at first and suffer from same failings as all of us... Wishing a speedy recovery from him.. and hoping he finds the joy that this sport encompasses!!!

  • chokkashokka on November 30, 2013, 5:08 GMT

    Leave the guy alone....the guy is weak at this moment and needs time to recuperate. Performing in front of millions day in day out is hard - maybe he does not want to do it anymore. England need to send their scouts to South Africa to mine a replacement.

  • pestonji on November 30, 2013, 2:22 GMT

    Keep in mind that both Trescothick and Trott came down with illness while touring. I think this has much more to do with homesickness brought on by unbearably long tours than stress. Trscothick continued playing domestic cricket when he returned but retired from tests.

  • Deuce03 on November 27, 2013, 22:17 GMT

    A question to all those querying - from Mike Selvey to commenters here - why if this was a known problem Trott was in the team. If Clarke's back flares up and takes him out for the rest of the series would the same question apply? Or do you take the view that an underlying physical ailment (Clarke's back, Cook's back, Harris's legs, various bowlers' stress fractures) are just conditions to be managed and if a player is fit then they should play irrespective of any ongoing illness or injury? There really isn't a difference here.

  • I_Love_My_India on November 26, 2013, 21:06 GMT

    I guess Trott took the right decision. But I wish he and ECB could do this before the Ashes and making a mess. I wish Trott all the best and certainly admire Tendulkar for playing continuously and taking this mental stress for almost 24 years.

  • on November 26, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    Stay strong Trotty. I've been there. Just take it a day at a time. You can do it.

  • GreenBouncySpin on November 26, 2013, 15:29 GMT

    As a fellow human being, I sympathize with Trott. I sincerely wish him to recover soon and continue to stay healthy.

    But I would not recommend for him to start playing cricket ever again unless he is COMPLETELY recovered from this stress illness. If Trott is only partially recovered to a state where he can be like he was before (i.e., cricketer known to have stress related issues) then sooner or later he may break down again. This can kill him further. Trott needs a clean chit to play further cricket else it not only hurts England cricket but also his health tremendously which is more important than anything else.

  • 07sanjeewakaru on November 26, 2013, 10:02 GMT

    Who notice this! When Trott dismissed and went off the Gabba field in the 2nd innings,He gave some kind of stifled goodbye like gesture to the crowd.In that moment I thought there is something wrong...

    Get well soon Trotty...A fan from Sri Lanka....!

  • shirl on November 26, 2013, 3:01 GMT

    Please do not knock the likes of Treschotick, Trott or Tait (forgotten much??) for showing a bit of humanity & leaving Tests behind for these types of reasons. If you have never had these types of afflications good on you but please spare these players any taunts or jibes. These just stem from ignorance from something, that can at times be very debilitating, not matter who you are & what you do. I hope Trott comes back to international stage, he is brilliant to watch - yes, I am a die-hard Aussie & really like to beat the 'international' English cricket team.

  • Not_Another_Keybored_Expert on November 26, 2013, 1:27 GMT

    ALL of the blame must go to the ECB and its staff, If they have known about this for a month why wait until now? He should of been helped a month ago when the problem arose.

  • dr.saurabhg on November 25, 2013, 21:53 GMT

    This incident reminded me of a certain gentleman called Robert Enke !!! Same stress cut short a promising career and life... so I feel Mr Trott took the best decision to take some time off and relax... After all Life has to take precedence over the game... and its high time we the fans and media realised that all our heroes our Human beings at first and suffer from same failings as all of us... Wishing a speedy recovery from him.. and hoping he finds the joy that this sport encompasses!!!

  • chokkashokka on November 30, 2013, 5:08 GMT

    Leave the guy alone....the guy is weak at this moment and needs time to recuperate. Performing in front of millions day in day out is hard - maybe he does not want to do it anymore. England need to send their scouts to South Africa to mine a replacement.

  • pestonji on November 30, 2013, 2:22 GMT

    Keep in mind that both Trescothick and Trott came down with illness while touring. I think this has much more to do with homesickness brought on by unbearably long tours than stress. Trscothick continued playing domestic cricket when he returned but retired from tests.

  • Deuce03 on November 27, 2013, 22:17 GMT

    A question to all those querying - from Mike Selvey to commenters here - why if this was a known problem Trott was in the team. If Clarke's back flares up and takes him out for the rest of the series would the same question apply? Or do you take the view that an underlying physical ailment (Clarke's back, Cook's back, Harris's legs, various bowlers' stress fractures) are just conditions to be managed and if a player is fit then they should play irrespective of any ongoing illness or injury? There really isn't a difference here.

  • I_Love_My_India on November 26, 2013, 21:06 GMT

    I guess Trott took the right decision. But I wish he and ECB could do this before the Ashes and making a mess. I wish Trott all the best and certainly admire Tendulkar for playing continuously and taking this mental stress for almost 24 years.

  • on November 26, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    Stay strong Trotty. I've been there. Just take it a day at a time. You can do it.

  • GreenBouncySpin on November 26, 2013, 15:29 GMT

    As a fellow human being, I sympathize with Trott. I sincerely wish him to recover soon and continue to stay healthy.

    But I would not recommend for him to start playing cricket ever again unless he is COMPLETELY recovered from this stress illness. If Trott is only partially recovered to a state where he can be like he was before (i.e., cricketer known to have stress related issues) then sooner or later he may break down again. This can kill him further. Trott needs a clean chit to play further cricket else it not only hurts England cricket but also his health tremendously which is more important than anything else.

  • 07sanjeewakaru on November 26, 2013, 10:02 GMT

    Who notice this! When Trott dismissed and went off the Gabba field in the 2nd innings,He gave some kind of stifled goodbye like gesture to the crowd.In that moment I thought there is something wrong...

    Get well soon Trotty...A fan from Sri Lanka....!

  • shirl on November 26, 2013, 3:01 GMT

    Please do not knock the likes of Treschotick, Trott or Tait (forgotten much??) for showing a bit of humanity & leaving Tests behind for these types of reasons. If you have never had these types of afflications good on you but please spare these players any taunts or jibes. These just stem from ignorance from something, that can at times be very debilitating, not matter who you are & what you do. I hope Trott comes back to international stage, he is brilliant to watch - yes, I am a die-hard Aussie & really like to beat the 'international' English cricket team.

  • Not_Another_Keybored_Expert on November 26, 2013, 1:27 GMT

    ALL of the blame must go to the ECB and its staff, If they have known about this for a month why wait until now? He should of been helped a month ago when the problem arose.

  • on November 26, 2013, 0:28 GMT

    Since no one has bothered asking before posting comments comparing Trott to other players (or else I am the only one who doesn't know), let me ask - what exactly is stress-related illness? Is it illness induced by stress? Is it illness induced when under extreme stress? Or is it a mental illness that you have once in a while but really flares up - like a niggling back or achilles heel - after being under stress for a certain period of time?

  • on November 25, 2013, 23:31 GMT

    All manner of sledging should be banned. Players sledging should be "RED CARDED" and banned for the rest of the test match/series.

  • on November 25, 2013, 23:12 GMT

    it's an illness - he's gone home much the same as if he had a broken arm or leg. some of you guys need to do some reading and stop comparing everything to sachin. there are far more important things in life than a game of cricket.

  • Rising_Edge1234 on November 25, 2013, 22:23 GMT

    It's silly to play 2 Ashes in one year. That's mega stress. Play one per year or 2 years. I like watching Trotty bat. I wish him my very best and hope he'll be back in Eng colors.

    - from a West Indian

  • Baundele on November 25, 2013, 21:34 GMT

    Stress drains you out; it is not about mental strength, it depends on so many things that even your employer does not know.

  • PCLex2 on November 25, 2013, 20:29 GMT

    To be called an International Professional Cricketer, you have to handle "Stress" as part of the job. You are not chosen to play Ashes just because you know how to score runs but you also are expected to have composure and handle pressure.

    Are there any International Cricketers that do not stress out on how they perform in the game? I am glad it happened before second game as opposed to the game day like in 06/07. This will give the replacement enough time to prepare before next game. You probably have to study/work/live in a competitive environment to see what anxiety/stress are really like right from your childhood and all your life which should actually makes you a strong person :)

  • MridulTrehan on November 25, 2013, 20:25 GMT

    All the best Trott. Whatever you end up doing, do not and let me repeat DO NOT give up cricket.

    Killing the Demon is always the best way to go..

    Get well and Play Well!

    From India

  • JG2704 on November 25, 2013, 20:06 GMT

    Honestly some of the comments on here are absolutely baffling.

    Seriously do people think that stress/depression is caused by a few off performances on the cricket pitch and can be cured by a few excellent performances on the pitch? And if these guys didn't play cricket they would be free of stress/depression etc?

    If these guys quit as soon as they lose tests/test series then why didn't Trott and Strauss quit straight after the UAE disaster? And if this is the case then why did Tres retire before he played a test in the 2006 Ashes series and his last series in an Eng shirt being a home series win vs Pakistan?

  • danishsyed88 on November 25, 2013, 19:58 GMT

    Feel so sorry about Trott. Probably the best (consistent) player England have had in recent times and definitely the most able person who could lead England to victory.

    Sorry, but without him England just aren't that good enough. They've depended on one or two batsmen every innings to get them to a decent score, out of which Trott was the most usual. Who will take up the mantle now? :|

  • ThyrSaadam on November 25, 2013, 19:48 GMT

    Not sure about if ECB is handling this correct? Not sure if players of other countries have same issues, or if they reveal it or not? But something's wrong with the England set up, this is their third player...

  • on November 25, 2013, 18:36 GMT

    Really feel bad for Jonathan trott and i am pretty sure he will fight this out and come back on top. He still has a lot of cricket left in him. Its absolutely right that health comes first before everything else including cricket!! I seriously don't know why is this thing happening to English players only?? (i am not sure if other country's players have left the tour for stress related issues). Maybe this might make the english management thinking. Respect from India for trott!!

  • dabbadubba on November 25, 2013, 18:31 GMT

    warner and mitch are going to be our heros this ashes.. I think anderson is the next target... maybe as they said broken arm... pommies..aussies are back and this is going to be a very interesting ashes !

  • Vikram_Rathore on November 25, 2013, 18:22 GMT

    ECB didn't quite handle this well! In fact, I would think that they have stepped on the cake here. For someone already fighting off devils in his mind, to send him back mid-tour citing mental stress, wasn't such a great decision. I don't know if Trotty is right now thinking about being part of one of the inbetween moments in the Ashes history - not something Trott would like to brag about with a Guinness in hand, long after he hangs his boots!

    I really feel sorry for Trot... What were/ are the coach (and the team management) doing until and after this happened?

  • markthespark on November 25, 2013, 18:13 GMT

    So many comments about other players who are mentally strong or tough, and Trott somehow isn't. This isn't about toughness as a cricketer. Trott has been a very tough cricketer. He has a mental affliction that affects him not just as a cricketer but as a human being. When you're unwell in yourself in this way it affects every facet of life, including but not limited to your ability to play sport. Suggesting he's somehow less tough than Sachin or Steve Waugh or whoever betrays a lack of understanding of how this illness works. If you haven't experienced this you can't know. If you haven't experienced this then be thankful, you don't want to.

  • cooljack_143 on November 25, 2013, 18:11 GMT

    Oh for ENG test cricket losses make them loose their players, like captain Strauss who retired after failing vs SA,other past ENG captains too retired when their team lost,now Trott, may be it will be turn for Cook to retire when they , if they loose to OZ.Why don't ENG just play it as a sport, don't have to take things so seriously as if your life is gone with one loss. Trott's is s different scenario altogether, but timing is same.I hope Trotty gets to go bang in IPL, make some bucks & be happy, he truly deserves all the riches there .ENG players are loosing a lot with their heavy test match schedules .Give these players some breathing space, allow them to play world fancy tournaments,like Prior echoed before,help them make some bucks and all will be well then!!!!!!

  • on November 25, 2013, 17:52 GMT

    Too convenient. Everyone is thinking the same thing - he has walked owing to being worked over by MJ.

  • JG2704 on November 25, 2013, 17:31 GMT

    @InsideHedge -/ Dan Parker It said in the subject article that Trott had been suffering from it for several years. Several meaning at least 2 if not more. This means he has definitely toured India,NZ, UAE and SL and maybe has done SA and Aus with the condition and has coped ok with it. If he had coped in previous tours and felt no different pre tour then why would he/Eng not think he would cope this time? Trescothick himself toured just about everywhere before he had his breakdown and maybe he had issues before that point? Maybe/hopefully Trott is not in too bad a way but recognizes that he's not right for playing cricket and he's erring on the side of caution rather than risk it getting out of hand like with Tres , in which case something good came from Tres's situation. It's not a case of being/not being mentally strong etc - stress/depression is an illness just like a physical illness.

  • on November 25, 2013, 17:27 GMT

    What material does sachin's mental strength made of? Even steel will melt under the pressure of billion people's expectation.

  • Yevghenny on November 25, 2013, 17:23 GMT

    test cricket may be a team game, but as an individual you are under intense scrutiny, and have no place to hide. It is an incredibly demanding sport, that tests mental strength to the maximum, and that's not even throwing in the 5 months a year living in a hotel

  • WC96QF on November 25, 2013, 17:17 GMT

    It just makes u wonder at the courage, endurance and mental strength of somebody like Sachin Tendulkar to have been able to sustain himself at the highest levels for an unbelievable 24years!

  • InsideHedge on November 25, 2013, 17:11 GMT

    It's true, he should NOT have been selected for the tour in the first place if this a long standing illness. I also think they could have managed this better, sending him back immediately after the heavy defeat and the comments from Warner pretty much means it's over and out for his international career. He's been humiliated. I guess it's Warwickshire's gain but not in the way they would have liked.

    England should have waited till the warm up game, feigned an injury and sent him home. His illness didn't need to be made public. If it was so important for everyone to know, Flower & Co should have disclosed it when his symptoms were first known.

  • on November 25, 2013, 16:20 GMT

    firstly this makes you appreciate even further the mental strength of the likes of Kevin Pietersen and Michael Clarke... Trott with his condition should not have been allowed to tour Australia.... with the unrelenting scrutiny from opposing players, the crowd and the media... I doubt any medical professional would have approved of this.... I know as a man myself Trott's ego wouldn't have allowed him to let down his team but England management needed to make this call after what they experienced with Trescothick and Yardy....

  • on November 25, 2013, 15:53 GMT

    Now you got to realize that the players who played more than 15 years .. they would be mentally so strong and they must have done something very well to overcome such situations and consistently performed.

  • on November 25, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    Hope he gets well , Must have taken a lot of courage to accept it and take a hard decision.

  • on November 25, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    Trott is a very very fine batsman and its really disturbing to see him suffering. I hope media and people let me take some deserved time of the game and be mentally focused again. Get well soon Jonathan Trott. Love from Pakistan

  • on November 25, 2013, 14:57 GMT

    What I think people utterly fail to realize is just how more devastating the mental side of things can be; physical issues look bad because they are so obvious, they are there for all to see. With the mind though, it can feel like a trap you cannot escape from, a hell that never seems to end. I wish Trott all the best, no doubt the pressure can get to you severely in cricket and especially an Ashes campaign, hopefully he bounces back soon.

  • Webba84 on November 25, 2013, 14:39 GMT

    As much as I want Australia to win the Ashes I wouldnt wish what is happening to Trott on anyone, I know what it is like too well. I wish him and his family all the best and hope he gets better soon. Sure when he is recovered he will be back to making life hard for our team soon enough.

  • Webba84 on November 25, 2013, 14:39 GMT

    As much as I want Australia to win the Ashes I wouldnt wish what is happening to Trott on anyone, I know what it is like too well. I wish him and his family all the best and hope he gets better soon. Sure when he is recovered he will be back to making life hard for our team soon enough.

  • on November 25, 2013, 14:57 GMT

    What I think people utterly fail to realize is just how more devastating the mental side of things can be; physical issues look bad because they are so obvious, they are there for all to see. With the mind though, it can feel like a trap you cannot escape from, a hell that never seems to end. I wish Trott all the best, no doubt the pressure can get to you severely in cricket and especially an Ashes campaign, hopefully he bounces back soon.

  • on November 25, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    Trott is a very very fine batsman and its really disturbing to see him suffering. I hope media and people let me take some deserved time of the game and be mentally focused again. Get well soon Jonathan Trott. Love from Pakistan

  • on November 25, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    Hope he gets well , Must have taken a lot of courage to accept it and take a hard decision.

  • on November 25, 2013, 15:53 GMT

    Now you got to realize that the players who played more than 15 years .. they would be mentally so strong and they must have done something very well to overcome such situations and consistently performed.

  • on November 25, 2013, 16:20 GMT

    firstly this makes you appreciate even further the mental strength of the likes of Kevin Pietersen and Michael Clarke... Trott with his condition should not have been allowed to tour Australia.... with the unrelenting scrutiny from opposing players, the crowd and the media... I doubt any medical professional would have approved of this.... I know as a man myself Trott's ego wouldn't have allowed him to let down his team but England management needed to make this call after what they experienced with Trescothick and Yardy....

  • InsideHedge on November 25, 2013, 17:11 GMT

    It's true, he should NOT have been selected for the tour in the first place if this a long standing illness. I also think they could have managed this better, sending him back immediately after the heavy defeat and the comments from Warner pretty much means it's over and out for his international career. He's been humiliated. I guess it's Warwickshire's gain but not in the way they would have liked.

    England should have waited till the warm up game, feigned an injury and sent him home. His illness didn't need to be made public. If it was so important for everyone to know, Flower & Co should have disclosed it when his symptoms were first known.

  • WC96QF on November 25, 2013, 17:17 GMT

    It just makes u wonder at the courage, endurance and mental strength of somebody like Sachin Tendulkar to have been able to sustain himself at the highest levels for an unbelievable 24years!

  • Yevghenny on November 25, 2013, 17:23 GMT

    test cricket may be a team game, but as an individual you are under intense scrutiny, and have no place to hide. It is an incredibly demanding sport, that tests mental strength to the maximum, and that's not even throwing in the 5 months a year living in a hotel

  • on November 25, 2013, 17:27 GMT

    What material does sachin's mental strength made of? Even steel will melt under the pressure of billion people's expectation.