Australia v England, 2nd Test, Adelaide, 5th day December 9, 2013

Siddle and Harris give Australia 2-0 lead


Australia 9 for 570 dec (Clarke 148, Haddin 118, Broad 3-98) and 3 for 132 dec (Warner 83*) beat England 172 (Bell 72*, Carberry 60, Johnson 7-40) and 312 (Root 87, Prior 69, Siddle 4-57, Harris 3-54) by 218 runs
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Australia took a 2-0 lead in the Ashes series, with three to play as they inflicted a 218-run defeat on England in the Adelaide Test to follow up their overwhelming 381-run win in the opening match in Brisbane.

It took Australia only 11.4 overs to remove England's last four wickets for the addition of a further 65 runs after light morning rain, which delayed the start by 10 minutes, cleared and the Test was completed with floodlights piercing the gloom.

England's one consolation was a return to form for Matt Prior, albeit in insignificant circumstances. Prior, 31 not out overnight, was ninth out for 69 from 110 balls, the first time he had passed 50 in 17 attempts, a sequence stretching back to his match-saving century against New Zealand in Auckland in March. It will probably be enough to protect his place in Perth.

Prior pulled with gusto, but the shot also proved his downfall as he deposited Peter Siddle into the hands of Ryan Harris at deep square. It was a bountiful morning for Siddle and Harris, who had toiled away impressively on the fourth day, but who did not have to extend themselves unduly to round things up with two wickets apiece on the final morning.

Siddle and Harris took seven wickets between them. That should not alter the salient fact: Mitchell Johnson might not be the only reason for the shift in power, but he has been the overriding reason.

Australia, after seven defeats in nine, have now won two Tests on the bounce; England, unbeaten in 13 before this series, have been heavily beaten in both. Under the coaching influence of Darren Lehmann, Australia are playing positive cricket, fielding tigerishly and their bowling plans are working. England look weary and disorientated, a team which has so far failed to challenge the notion that it is in decline.

No England team has ever come back from 2-0 down to win a series in Australia, the one thing in England's favour being that they only need to draw the series to retain the Ashes.

But England will be particularly unsettled by the fact that they have lost so heavily in Adelaide where a dry pitch of comfortable pace bore a similarity to surfaces on which they have achieved many recent victories and offered arguably their best opportunity of the series.

Adelaide's first drop-in pitch displayed the ground's traditional characteristics, offering more spin as the match progressed, and will have delighted the curator Damien Hough.

Alastair Cook said three times at the post-match ceremony that England need to "look at ourselves". It will be the mantra ahead of Perth. He said: "We had a few opportunities on that first day to put pressure on that first day and we missed them. Mitchell Johnson has bowled well and quickly and we have to look at ourselves, our techniques and our shot selection."

Michael Clarke, Australia's captain, admitted that he had been unsettled when he drew back the curtains to see rain falling. He said: "The last thing we wanted was rain today - and I guess not enforcing the follow-on made me a little more nervous. I thought our bowlers could do with a rest and come out fresh in the second innings.

"We have to be realistic: that is only our second Test win in [11] months and that is not good enough if we want to be the No 1 Test side in the world - and that is our goal."

Johnson, man of the match after his first-innings 7 for 40, can now look forward to what is routinely viewed as his banker: the WACA. He said: "I'm really excited about being back in this team." He confirmed the mo stays on for the rest of the series.

Once the skies cleared so quickly, England's cause was hopeless: 304 runs short of victory with only four wickets remaining. They played as if they knew it.

Quite what Stuart Broad was up to, only he knew. Five balls into the day, he became the third England batsman to perish to the hook shot. Siddle fired in two short balls in his first over of the day. The first, a lackadaisical affair, was pulled by Broad for six. The next ball was quicker and shoulder height and Broad hooked it into the hands of Nathan Lyon at deep square.

Harris, delayed until first change, was also presented with a wicket in his first over as Graeme Swann dangled his bat at a wide one, which moved away slightly, and presented a comfortable catch to second slip. His second wicket of the morning, Panesar driving feebly to short extra, completed the job.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • Biggus on December 11, 2013, 9:42 GMT

    @Meety:- I wouldn't fancy bowling offies in Adelaide either. Not much bounce.

  • Meety on December 11, 2013, 7:02 GMT

    @ JG2704 on (December 10, 2013, 10:19 GMT) "....England get 3 inns to Australia's 2?" Well seeing this light hearted - what about England fielding 22 players - a full circle from the 1800s where Oz had to field 22!

  • Meety on December 11, 2013, 6:56 GMT

    @Biggus on (December 10, 2013, 5:32 GMT) - re: Lyon, dunno why he doesnt get the results at Adelaide, but I would think it would nearly be his worse ground. The main point I was making was - even Warney had a ground he didn't perform great on (WACA). @ brisCricFan on (December 10, 2013, 5:58 GMT) - I am a fan of Lyon, my only gripe re: SO'K was that he should of been given a go before Agar, Doherty (1st & 2nd coming) & Beer. SO'K was theoretically the 2nd cab off the rank in 10/11 when he actually took more wickets than Beer, Doherty & Smith combined in the Hobart tour game v Poms PLUS he scored a half ton. IMO - Lyon is better than Swann at the same age, & despite mediocre tours to Oz, think that Swann is a very very good spinner & would like to think when Lyon is 30 - he will be better.

  • Bonehead_maz on December 10, 2013, 19:29 GMT

    @ whofriggincares on (December 10, 2013, 11:56 GMT) I think a proper Test opener is someone who can score runs against quality swing bowling in swing bowling conditions (you can often tell by their scores in England). I certainly hope to see Warner do so in SA next year !!!!

  • Biggus on December 10, 2013, 14:42 GMT

    @RohanMarkJay:- Hardly worth taking the day off work to see England resist for, what was it? Eleven overs? Nevertheless many did. Biggest capacity ground in England is what, Lord's I guess, 28,000 so max 140,000 for a full five days if every seat is sold out and we had 153,000 in Adelaide in 4 days and 11 overs. I'd be very surprised if we didn't top 140,000 in two days at the MCG, a city of 4.2 million or about half the size of London. Not quite sure what your point is Rohan, I think you're going to have to give us more information. Are you entirely sure you're not just projecting your frustration on us out of, well...frustration? How about another angle since you've tried the old tired out Bodyline one, had a dodgy go at crowd numbers...did you find the grass in the outfield not green enough, or the sky not blue enough perhaps? I'm going to hazard a guess and say it's the numbers on the heritage listed scoreboard that REALLY bug you.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on December 10, 2013, 13:40 GMT

    Posted by RohanMarkJay on (December 10, 2013, 12:38 GMT), we don't do open top bus rides when we beat you, it's no big deal to us. Who would go and watch could be 4 balls of cricket on a Monday morning, people have jobs to go to. We will pop the fizz after 3 days in Perth though.

  • Shaggy076 on December 10, 2013, 12:13 GMT

    RohanMarkJay; Suggest you do some more research, biggest crowd at Adelaide for 40 odd years. The first 4 dayswere sell outs. The stadium will hold 50k when finished. Not bad considering the population of Adelaide.

  • Biggus on December 11, 2013, 9:42 GMT

    @Meety:- I wouldn't fancy bowling offies in Adelaide either. Not much bounce.

  • Meety on December 11, 2013, 7:02 GMT

    @ JG2704 on (December 10, 2013, 10:19 GMT) "....England get 3 inns to Australia's 2?" Well seeing this light hearted - what about England fielding 22 players - a full circle from the 1800s where Oz had to field 22!

  • Meety on December 11, 2013, 6:56 GMT

    @Biggus on (December 10, 2013, 5:32 GMT) - re: Lyon, dunno why he doesnt get the results at Adelaide, but I would think it would nearly be his worse ground. The main point I was making was - even Warney had a ground he didn't perform great on (WACA). @ brisCricFan on (December 10, 2013, 5:58 GMT) - I am a fan of Lyon, my only gripe re: SO'K was that he should of been given a go before Agar, Doherty (1st & 2nd coming) & Beer. SO'K was theoretically the 2nd cab off the rank in 10/11 when he actually took more wickets than Beer, Doherty & Smith combined in the Hobart tour game v Poms PLUS he scored a half ton. IMO - Lyon is better than Swann at the same age, & despite mediocre tours to Oz, think that Swann is a very very good spinner & would like to think when Lyon is 30 - he will be better.

  • Bonehead_maz on December 10, 2013, 19:29 GMT

    @ whofriggincares on (December 10, 2013, 11:56 GMT) I think a proper Test opener is someone who can score runs against quality swing bowling in swing bowling conditions (you can often tell by their scores in England). I certainly hope to see Warner do so in SA next year !!!!

  • Biggus on December 10, 2013, 14:42 GMT

    @RohanMarkJay:- Hardly worth taking the day off work to see England resist for, what was it? Eleven overs? Nevertheless many did. Biggest capacity ground in England is what, Lord's I guess, 28,000 so max 140,000 for a full five days if every seat is sold out and we had 153,000 in Adelaide in 4 days and 11 overs. I'd be very surprised if we didn't top 140,000 in two days at the MCG, a city of 4.2 million or about half the size of London. Not quite sure what your point is Rohan, I think you're going to have to give us more information. Are you entirely sure you're not just projecting your frustration on us out of, well...frustration? How about another angle since you've tried the old tired out Bodyline one, had a dodgy go at crowd numbers...did you find the grass in the outfield not green enough, or the sky not blue enough perhaps? I'm going to hazard a guess and say it's the numbers on the heritage listed scoreboard that REALLY bug you.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on December 10, 2013, 13:40 GMT

    Posted by RohanMarkJay on (December 10, 2013, 12:38 GMT), we don't do open top bus rides when we beat you, it's no big deal to us. Who would go and watch could be 4 balls of cricket on a Monday morning, people have jobs to go to. We will pop the fizz after 3 days in Perth though.

  • Shaggy076 on December 10, 2013, 12:13 GMT

    RohanMarkJay; Suggest you do some more research, biggest crowd at Adelaide for 40 odd years. The first 4 dayswere sell outs. The stadium will hold 50k when finished. Not bad considering the population of Adelaide.

  • Biggus on December 10, 2013, 12:02 GMT

    @JG2704:- Wasn't suggesting timeless tests results wise, I just thought our friends would like it even better if they went on for as long as possible.

  • whofriggincares on December 10, 2013, 11:56 GMT

    @rohanmarkjay, the Adelaide test this year had an attendance of 153,500 over the 5 days. The capacity whilst the current building works is going on is listed at 35000, 5 x 35000 is 175000, not too many empty seats there buddy. Perhaps you should know what you are talking about before making stupid comments.

    @ BoneheadMaz , I think you are being a bit simplistic and unfair to Matty Hayden. He made test 100's against attacks that included : Courtney Walsh, Waquar Younis, Shoaib Akhtar, Saqlain Mushtaq, Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock, Jaques Kallis,Makhya Ntini and Murali as well as some other pretty decent types. Add up the test wickets of the above mentioned and you will come up with a fairly large figure. Pretty sure you wouldn't have seen that type of quality in the junior reps in QLD. Anyway what exactly is a "proper test opener" Sehwag, Slater and Gayle are different types but they won a lot of games for their team just as Warner will , we hope!

  • RohanMarkJay on December 10, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    Didn't see many Aussie fans at the Adelaide oval to celebrate Aus going 2-0. What's with that Adelaide oval is also not as large as the other cricket/Australian football venues in Australia. Doesn't Aussies wanna see their team regain the Ashes?!!! I hope Cricket this great game is not declining in popularity in Australia despite the success of their long suffering Aussie team and supporters I guess this down under summer they will have something to crow about.

  • JG2704 on December 10, 2013, 10:20 GMT

    @cric_J on (December 10, 2013, 7:27 GMT) Yes , different horses for different courses. I'd have been all for Broad playing an attacking game in the 1st inns where closing the gap with runs was the most important thing to do but there was a remote chance in the 2nd inns that Eng could have salvaged the game. Re Finn/Rankin - Rankin seems to have a better tour so far and maybe now would be exactly the right time to unleash a guy with no experience and little expectation on his shoulders. Finn has always been expensive - but apart from 1 inns (on this tour) he's not been taking the wickets to compensate - and that at a lower level too. I'm wondering is his confidence is down and if so I don't see him being a threat. Willis said to drop Swann but keep Monty in but haven't we seen what Monty can(t) do as the lone spinner in NZ?

  • JG2704 on December 10, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    @ R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (December 9, 2013, 22:58 GMT) I'm not always in agreement with Warne , but I think he was just giving all the scenarios re keeping Australia out in the field etc. It could just take that little bit more out of the bowlers and with only a few days rest that could impact the next test , esp if Aus bowl first. It's unlikely but possible. My main point was seeing how weather can affect games and it could have been that they only got a couple of hours play and although it would have been totally undeserved , imagine the effect it could have had on both sides if Eng scraped a draw

    @Biggus on (December 9, 2013, 23:38 GMT) We don't need timeless tests to get results here. If that happened and there were no declarations the runs difference could be frightening. What about this for an idea to bring the sides closer together. England get 3 inns to Australia's 2?

  • BradmanBestEver on December 10, 2013, 8:32 GMT

    The Strauss-Petersen affair was a symptom of the poor attitude and goal alignment inherent within the English team set up.

    They were most fortunate in the last ashes series - their excessive luck during that series resulted in an overrated result which masked big problems beneath the surface.

    Until they start playing as a team and not for themselves they have no chance. This will take them a log time.

  • testcric4ever on December 10, 2013, 7:56 GMT

    Really frustrating to see so many wicket balls checked for no-balls. Some of them were so far behind the line it just clearly shows the umpires weren't actually watching for no-balls, which as far as I'm aware, is part of their job description. And someone out there correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed to me that the umps were checking the Aussie bowlers a lot more than the English. If you're going to arbitrarily check for no-balls every time a wicket falls, do it just the same for both teams.

  • brisCricFan on December 10, 2013, 7:28 GMT

    @Biggus; Well as we often get told, we don't get to pick the opposition... Its match-ups like that that made Zimbabwe drop off the program, but for a long time Sri Lanka were little better...

    At the risk of upsetting people, the mighty SRT played a fifth of his matches against the relative minnows (about 40 matches) for around 3600 runs... icing on the cake really... England and Australia rarely got to play those sides...

    As for Tubby, I recall in the interview the next day saying he would be remembered more for being the man to declare equalling the Don's high score record than if he had passed it... A gritty determined accummulator of runs... must say I preferred the supreme confidence of Hayden and that he could bust open a game by lunch the first day.

  • cric_J on December 10, 2013, 7:27 GMT

    @JG2704 : My remarks re Prior's approach towards the game weren't intended for you, mate. I totally agree that with some weather about, England should have shown more patience in the 1st session, Broad in particular. As you mentioned, he just needed to draw heart from his 6 off 70 odd balls vs NZ at Auckland this year, sans which Prior couldn't have saved the match. Also, The fact that Swann (who IMO has been a more than handy no.9 for us) hasn't done much with the bat this series and Jimmy and Monty are classic tail enders anyways, ought to have given Broad all the more reasons to hang around with Prior. It really irritates me that at times Broad simply refuses to trust his defensive game. Unlike Swann, he's more than decent at it if and when he choses to be.

    Re Finny/Rankin, I'd prefer Finny because 1. He looks more likely of getting a wicket and England will need some quick wickets. 2. I'm not sure I would want a debutant in a furnace-pressure, do-or-die Ashes clash. (contd..)

  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on December 10, 2013, 7:13 GMT

    This series is over, Australia need 3 more days of good cricket, England need 15. Think of it like that, it just isn't going to happen.

  • Bonehead_maz on December 10, 2013, 7:05 GMT

    @ brisCricFan .... yep he did. Hayden scored a LOT of runs once every good fast bowler retired. He'd done it for years in Sheffield Shield :). Prior to that Qld was like Ken Archer..... had looked better, (than Barnes ? ROFL), but OMG with a side featuring Morris, Bradman, Hassett Harvey and Miller, winning everything for 6 years, you just don't get third chances. ie comparative weakness in dominant Test sides...... History is all I mention.

    I personally think Jamie Siddons is unluckiest I've seen to never play a test for us, (outstanding fieldsman too) although, think also Law deserved more....... Times and places ? Always good to play at a time when no opposition has great bowlers - doesn't often happen. I bet the current English side wish they'd missed Steyn, Ajmal (does he really bowl ? - but that's another argument) and Johnson ? There are no others or am I missing something ? There havn't been any others since just before Hayden became dominant ? Current times is all we have.

  • Biggus on December 10, 2013, 6:54 GMT

    @brisCricFan:- I was at the WACA that day Hayden made that score Vs Zim but I left at lunchtime, it just wasn't enough of a contest to keep me in my seat. I reckon I'd rate Taylor's mega innings well above it.

  • Biggus on December 10, 2013, 6:30 GMT

    @Simon Vaughan-Spencer:- Don't know where you're getting that idea from. Most of us are pleasantly surprised thus far and crossing our fingers that a) Harris doesn't break down, and b) Bad Mitch doesn't kidnap Good Mitch, hide him in a storage unit in a secluded light industrial suburb and play at the WACA in his place. Whether England can come back as you're suggesting depends on whether England can find some intestinal fortitude (nowhere to be seen atm) also to a great extent if Australia let them, they're the one's setting the tempo right now.

  • on December 10, 2013, 6:06 GMT

    My - Australia actually win a couple of Test Matches (albeit convincingly) and they think they can rule the world again. They rely heavily on Johnson, whose inconsistency will probably be his downfall - and he is no spring chicken (I doubt he'll play another Ashes series any more than Anderson will). England have been very poor so far, but will come back, no doubt. Plenty of batting and bowling depth.

  • brisCricFan on December 10, 2013, 5:58 GMT

    @Biggus, Bonehead_maz, and Meety2; Lyon is not just the incumbent spinner, he is the best option as a complimentary bowler to this unit...those that say how unlucky for SOK, think back on one S McGill... probably the best turner of a cricket ball I have ever seen (far more than Warne) but for two things... a) he was a little less consistent with his line and length, and b) Warne was already in the team.

    Batting wise - the list goes on, Siddons, Law, Maher, Cox to name a few... unbelievable talents that just came along at the wrong time... the difference is that right now there aren't a lot of M Waugh's or S Waughs, or J Langer's or D Martyn's out there keeping players with ability out of the side...

    As for whether Hayden was an opener, well he wasn't the hang in all day to make 100 kind of an opener, but he was bred in the era of S Waugh wanting 4rpo so that his bowlers had the maximum time to go for the kill. He does hold the Aus Highest Score record... not M Taylor ;)

  • Bonehead_maz on December 10, 2013, 5:50 GMT

    1990 not 1980 and 2 metres to the left not right. Sorry.

  • Bonehead_maz on December 10, 2013, 5:34 GMT

    @ Biggus on (December 10, 2013, 4:30 GMT) ".............he didn't look good on the fourth day one has to wonder who was responsible for the plan to pitch on leg coming around the wicket. The two legs slips were placed very fine so it really had to be intentional, in which case it was a poor plan. " Yep ....they should have bee both 2 meters to their right, and he bowling at off ! nearly as bad as having him rush last season...... also a plan. Looking forward to Nathan becoming confident enough to over rule dumb plans !

  • Biggus on December 10, 2013, 5:32 GMT

    @Meety:- And yet Ashley Mallett moved to Adelaide, admittedly from Perth. I think Lyon would bowl well at the WACA, but it won't kill me if they go in with an all pace attack, though Faulkner wouldn't be the one I'd choose, much as I like him.

  • Bonehead_maz on December 10, 2013, 5:02 GMT

    @ brisCricFan . I agree with most things you write, especially about cricket at the Gabba. Sorry if what I said about Hayden is an upset. He wasn't anywhere during his career a proper test opener. Neither was Blewitt or Elliott, let alone Langer. Mark Taylor most definitely WAS ..... do you perhaps remember Brisbane test Vs Pakistan ..... Taylor 40's at lunch ? (about 1980) Geez..... get through that if you can ! Yet to fully believe Dave Warner is not just a Hayden re-incarnate .... we'll see in SA ! PS I'm a QLDer. I played Junior reps for QLD and I LOVED Matty scoring all those 1,000 + seasons.

  • Biggus on December 10, 2013, 4:30 GMT

    @brisCricFan:- If that's the case vis-a-vis Matthew Hayden and Mark Taylor it's something I was never aware of, in which case I'd be happy to concede the point, no worries at all. Nevertheless it remains true that a great many players have indeed served an apprenticeship whilst in the side. Some of us see a lot to like in Nathan Lyon and I'm loath to go back to barrel for another lucky dip. He's outbowled Swann comfortably in this series and though he didn't look good on the fourth day one has to wonder who was responsible for the plan to pitch on leg coming around the wicket. The two legs slips were placed very fine so it really had to be intentional, in which case it was a poor plan. I have in the past asked here why Steve O'Keefe hasn't got a game and think he ought to have before now, but Lyon is the incumbent and I think he's generally doing a pretty good job.

  • Meety on December 10, 2013, 3:51 GMT

    @ Mitty2 on (December 9, 2013, 8:34 GMT) - fully agree. Anderson does not bowl anywhere near 140kph, & I would further venture that he never tops 135. That said, most of the time he doesnt need to. @Biggus on (December 9, 2013, 7:55 GMT) - agree, perhaps we should of dropped Warne after all his stats at the WACA weren't good. I do recall (could be wrong), but during Warne's years of dominance NZ & SA batted out the 5th Day to save a tests (both actually at the WACA). It would appear - that the Adelaide Oval is not a ground Lyons likes (maybe half the reason he left Sth Oz)!

  • Robert1612 on December 10, 2013, 3:22 GMT

    The scary thing for England is that the WACA was in everyone's mind before the sreies started the 1 banker test for Australia to win. Harris has been outstanding at previous matches at the WACA and in fact announced himself on the international stage from memory a few years ago in an ODI. If we compare the bowling attacks: Harris v Anderson, MJ v Broadand and Sidds v whoever is picked we have them covered for pace (approx 10+ kph) and wickets taken in the seies; further despite FFL and his opinions Lyon has out bowled Swann in the first 2 tests ... so much for theier 2 "world class" bowlers and our mediocre medium pacers! The batting speaks for itself, Aust. with 4 x 100s, England nil, and struggling to make 200 apart from the 2nd innings on a dead pitch in Adelaide. Haddin clearly outplaying Prior as WK/batsman. All points to a resounding victory at the WACA, but as we all know these games are not played on paper, so keep up the effort Australia .. 3-0 in a weeks time!!!

  • GrindAR on December 10, 2013, 0:33 GMT

    @FFLNAH : You have a point. It is not physically aging that matters. Its the mental/psychological aging that should be considered. It is a bad thing loosing a player like Mike Hussey when he was consistently performing.

  • GrindAR on December 10, 2013, 0:29 GMT

    It was a pathetic show by Swan and Panesar or their Captain of using them fruitfully. The pitch was not as one sided as the result suggests. It is just the pathetic display by eng fielding/bowling unit. It should have been a lot closely contested. Did eng team arrive here with any positive agenda at all? They seem quiet willfully loosing the matches. This is becoming the boring ashes played ever. No substance at all folks. Just pull your sleeves and show some guts. The way you exhibit yourself is the way you will be treated. I already decided to shutdown my time on following current matches. Nothing seems competitive.

  • Biggus on December 9, 2013, 23:38 GMT

    @JG2704:- Nah, let's play some timeless tests instead.

  • brisCricFan on December 9, 2013, 23:30 GMT

    I must say I find it funny all those that are deriding the acheivements of this side by comments such as "one win at home and you think they are world beaters"...

    I for one don't think that they could honestly go to SAf in a few months time thinking they will whitewash the Proteas... they aren't yet at that level and IMO this team on paper and that team are miles apart... what they can be is competitive and if things click, might win a game... but at the same time could reasonably expect to at least draw the series...

    What some commenters don't accept is that this is a rebuilding phase for Aus cricket and they are producing good results in a very short period compared to Eng, Ind, SAf, WI that have historically taken 10-15 years to regain any sort of dominance. It was great for cricket to see Eng finally click and get a good team together as it is now for SAf and will again when countries are faced with 4 WI quicks rotating from both ends. Thats why we love cricket.

  • brisCricFan on December 9, 2013, 23:21 GMT

    @biggus; Normally we agree on most things... but the Hayden point is something I disagree with... it wasn't so much that he wasn't ready to make the step up, he was brought into the team without the support of the captain (Mark Taylor was not a Hayden supporter) to be a fill in for the injured Matt Elliott of which everyone expected to just walk back in... it placed enormous pressure on Haydos because he not only had to perform but be out of this world to have any chance of retaining a spot as Elliot at the time was in the form of his career... In the end, he didn't handle it terribly well but he was really on a hiding to nothing at the time...

    On another note, and I have been saying this before this summer, we need to bring back the young Phil Hughes to replace the aging Chris Rogers. He is another that hasn't been treated well by the establishment. 3 tons with one a double already this FC summer... Now is his time to cement his place.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on December 9, 2013, 23:10 GMT

    @cric_J (post on December 9, 2013, 16:38 GMT): I'll consider team choices closer to the next game. I wanted Prior to play this game, and think he's the kind of player that once he gets back into his stride, he stays there for a decent time. Therefore I'd be more than happy for England to stick with him now. I can't help but wonder what might have been had England won the toss here... Playing the team we did with the two spinners might have been genius in another parallel universe somewhere where Mitchell Johnson's evil twin resides, and England's batsmen know to check the field placements before playing instinctively...

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on December 9, 2013, 22:58 GMT

    @JG2704 (post on December 9, 2013, 9:36 GMT): Also interesting that Warne said England should have deliberately made Australia stay out for as long as possible to increase the likelihood of injuries! Whilst I totally agree that England should have judged their shots better and stuck in longer, I'd never wish injuries on any player - let alone to your own countrymen.

  • Shaggy076 on December 9, 2013, 22:58 GMT

    Neil Retief; That is the exact same circumstances as the last time we went to South Africa and the time before. Both times South Africa were overwhelming favourites but it still remains we have never lost a test series on South African soil since South Africa return to test cricket. But South Africa are getting closer they were good enough to draw the last series.

  • cccrider on December 9, 2013, 22:22 GMT

    Biggus - great debating - 'everything you say is nonsense'. You've hung yourself there, not even dealing with the problem that is Lyon. There is no doubt that Hayden was treated awfully and we lost 3-4 years of him mid-career. churning out runs 1000 a season like a metronome. You dismiss a 6 year gap between tests as no big deal? You have no idea what you are talking about, look at Hayden's career. The pre-2000 treatment would have stopped a lessor man.

  • Chris_P on December 9, 2013, 21:11 GMT

    @Marcio. Maybe I do have selective memory for I was at both the Gabba & SCG last time when the speeds were posted & clearly recall Broad nipping 145 & Anderson hovering 138-142. It is something I do follow, & at the Gabba this year, it was plain to see Anderson was down substantially on last your & Tremlett definitely. Either way, they are not having an impact this time round, Anderson, particularly looks knackered.

  • RandyOZ on December 9, 2013, 20:37 GMT

    Disgraceful effort by England, once again. Their team of United Veterans is falling apart at the seams, and unlike Australia they have nothing in the cupboard except Root, who admittedly played very well. Hopefully Perth will produce some serious bounce and we can wrap this up!

  • on December 9, 2013, 19:57 GMT

    Although it didn't really make any difference, shot selection again left a lot to be desired. A small comfort that the Ashes can be retained with a drawn series, but that looks unlikely with Perth next up, and England don't look like taking 20 wickets. Another comprehensive defeat.

  • ModernUmpiresPlz on December 9, 2013, 18:45 GMT

    @anupkeni Assuming the bowlers would have been just as energetic and sharp as they were in the second innings without a day to rest, while also risking whether they would pull up ok in 3 days for Perth. Seems like a pointless risk just to have an innings win.

  • anupkeni on December 9, 2013, 18:24 GMT

    Australia could have won this test match by an innings and 86 runs had they enforced the follow-on. Australia made 86 more runs in the first innings with 9 wickets down than England did in both the innings with 20 wickets down!!!

  • JG2704 on December 9, 2013, 18:13 GMT

    @Biggus - I'm starting to go along with our friend Unbiased Referee's comms from the other day. The series is getting too one sided so I reckon maybe we should pack it in and play some shorter formats stuff instead. What do you reckon?

  • JG2704 on December 9, 2013, 18:06 GMT

    @CricJ - PS , I see your changes. I'm just wondering about Boyd Rankin. He seemed to be the best of our 3rd seamers in the warm ups. I think we need a spinner on most surfaces so I'd keep Swann in. The last time he was dropped vs SA , the lesser Tahir had his best game for SA in that series

  • JG2704 on December 9, 2013, 18:05 GMT

    @cric_J on (December 9, 2013, 16:38 GMT) Hello. I like the way you say about not making wholesale changes and then say you'd probably make 3. I'm interested to know what they are. I agree in general re Prior attacking his way back into form but my point was more aimed at Broad. I'm not sure how much rain was around but we've all seen how weather can be a friend to a side who is struggling but that side has to make their own luck sometimes. My thoughts were that if there was alot of iffy weather about , keeping wickets for as long as possible could have actually helped save the test match , if the weather was as bad as it could have been. In the last test in the last Ashes in Oz , Eng batted on for way too long and Aus were 4 down overnight. They lost their remaining wickets in the morning which for Eng was just as well. Had they survived another hour or 2 , the rain would have saved them. Also just wish our batsmen would learn when hooking/pulling

  • on December 9, 2013, 17:35 GMT

    This Eng team can still spring a surprise...provided they drop Prior and Swann. The XI for Perth should be Cook, Carberry, Root, Pietersen, Bell, Ballance, Bairstow, Bresnan, Anderson, Broad, Panesar.

    Prior's innings was a fluke on a flat track, so he should make way for Bairstow.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on December 9, 2013, 17:25 GMT

    @Landl47, I respect your comments, it's no surprise they are regularly featured. With the squad you mention though, England are in decline and Australia are on the up. We also have players making big scores and taking loads of wickets in the shield at the moment, young players with lots of talent. I don't see that in county cricket (which I follow closely being a Middlesex supporter and living in Europe). I think the lack of depth is particularly exposed with the bowling options on this tour.Lehmann can bring back a culture that will lead us back to number 1. We know we can compete with the best as we did against SA not so long ago. I think that experience is overrated and age is too often factored as a reason for not being good enough anymore.

  • Beertjie on December 9, 2013, 17:17 GMT

    Spot on @Neil Retief on (December 9, 2013, 11:20 GMT) that the tour to South Africa next year will be a good indicator of how the Aussies have progressed as a team. I expect this team may be found wanting, but if Pakistan can surprise opponents off the back of their bowlers, so can this team. A squad of pace bowlers comprising Johnson, Harris, Siddle, Pattinson, Bird and Faulkner will be hard to contain. This will be the seventh Aussie tour to South Africa sincethe latter's re-admission and SA have yet to win a home series. Despite never being a Hughes fan I expect him to tour and do well there, so we can just wait and see. If Johnson breaks a few limbs, it ought to be spicy.

  • ModernUmpiresPlz on December 9, 2013, 17:17 GMT

    @maximum6 Herculean effort? Eng v WI better to watch?

    So a heavily rain affected 3-0 win is herculean and watching your team pound a team that isn't particularly good at the moment is a better watch for cricket fans? England actually had some time off between ashes series, not to mention that I'm pretty sure they knew this tour was coming up and weren't "ambushed". Should I add that the scheduling is because of other factors like the 2015 world cup, rather than "childish scheduling". I'm not sure why playing 10 tests against Australia in a year would mean that England's poor performance is definitely due to scheduling. Wouldn't they play better after having seen their opposition so many times so recently? I don't understand where any of your comment is coming from.

  • cric_J on December 9, 2013, 17:05 GMT


    It will be bit hard on Stokes, but IMO Jonny must come in. Perth being a bowler's paradise, we will need an extra batsman, more so with our recent showings with the bat.

    Also I want Finny in the team at all costs (in Monty's spot ). I wanted him in the first 2 tests as well but his poor efforts in the WUs really didn't do any good to vindicate my opinion (more of a hunch really). Given Perth is a result wicket, England must give themselves every chance of a win. They need to be more attacking with their bowling plans and will need a strike bowler to execute them. I agree that Finn can give away a lot of runs, but considering we've given away plenty sans him too, he deserves a go as he has a knack of getting wkts.

    Not too sure if Swann should be dropped. He has looked out of sorts on wickets which were expected to provide him more help than Perth is. And Perth being the wicket that it is, it might not be a bad idea to go with 4 quicks . If so, I'd go Bres, Broad, Jimmy, Finny.

  • 2.14istherunrate on December 9, 2013, 16:41 GMT

    I think that the turnaround of series has been so close together that England after their Herculean effort in the summer have not recovered in time to go head to head again with the Aussies. They have been ambushed and not been in the right state of mind to respond. Totally childish scheduling of series is really responsible for this, and England have been exposed to too much Australia when a tour of the Carribean might have been vastly preferable to play and, as importantly, to watch. Hopefully we will regroup now and get it together but realistically it will be tough. Australia have taken the chance well.

  • cric_J on December 9, 2013, 16:38 GMT

    @jmc @JG2704 @NICK : First thing that England shouldn't do is go for wholesale changes in the team. It never helps chopping and changing a side too much, it only unsettles it more.

    However I would make 2 changes for sure and probably a 3rd one too.

    Contrary to some suggestions here that Prior was lucky to get the runs he did and should have dug in rather than go at the bowlers, I'm certain attack was the best way for him to get his motor running again. He's got out being defensive 2 out his last 4 innings now and has always been a player who thrives on taking the attack to the opposition. And it's amazing what runs under your belt do.

    I'd actually go with Prior for Perth not only because he batted decently, but mainly because he's an important part of this team when it comes to lifting the team's mood when things don't go our way. Also his inputs re the review usage have usually been helpful.


  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on December 9, 2013, 16:26 GMT

    Sorry to state the obvious but England are miles away from competing with Australia. That some here (eg @DJAbacus) think somehow they will find their inner supermen is optimistic when it's been pretty obvious they don't have the skills to take 20 wickets or make 400+ scores (and haven't done so for 20 innings now). @FFL suggested flat pitches were the end of test cricket (not this flat pitch lol, ENG 172) but if England field teams that don't want to compete their cricket will surely be over.

  • on December 9, 2013, 16:23 GMT

    I have to agree with Boycott. What a horrible sentence to start with, but he made several very good points in the TMS interview. England just don't seem to want it as much as the Aussies. They don't know what it is like to win the Ashes (just like us in 2005) and know it will be a career high for most of them given their age. Most of the England players seem to think that winning Ashes series is something that just happens. Some of our players seem to be batting as if it is their god given right to score runs. Root showed them that application and not hooking compulsively works, they stopped bowling short at him when he did't hook. Fast bowling does scramble the brain, it is intended to. A top class batsman has always had to have the skill and bravery to stand 20 yards away and face it. Not take it on, face it. Watch Randall in the Centenary Test or Gavaskar against the Windies, they ducked and swayed, chose their attacking shots carefully and came out on top.

    5-0 to Auz? Probably...

  • Wayne_Larkins_Barnet on December 9, 2013, 16:19 GMT

    England won't need a spinner in a three day game. I think it is impossible that England can get a win in Perth, it just won't happen they are terrified of our bowlers. This team doesn't know what to do under pressure and they will be plenty more of it.

  • ModernUmpiresPlz on December 9, 2013, 16:01 GMT

    @Arron Carberry out? 3 of his 4 dismissals could be considered pretty unlucky, dropping one at his feet and rolling back on the stumps, and 2 right out of the middle of the bat that picked out the one fielder that could have caught them, one of them an absolute screamer. All that and he's still scored significantly more runs than Cook and performed more consistently. He's scored 1 less run than Bell, and 16 less runs than Root, the only 2 batsmen for England that have done better, and he has to open the batting and face a brand new ball. Surely if you're going to drop Carberry on performance then Cook is an instant drop.

  • cric_J on December 9, 2013, 16:01 GMT

    @sleepingfreddyb (featured) : A truly encouraging comment. This one must be read out to our lads in the dressing room really ! May provide them the inspiration and backing up they need to turn it around from here on.

    Maybe England can draw some inspiration fro last year's India tour. They were rolled over on an excellent batting surface in Ahmedabad and were inevitably expected to lose at Mumbai when Dhoni called for a square turner. (Cook's expression at losing the toss that 1st morning will be etched in my memory for a long while). But they managed to win that one with our best bats in KP and Cook turning up with inspirational knocks.

  • cric_J on December 9, 2013, 15:55 GMT

    Well played Australia. Thoroughly outplaying us in each department and completely deserving the win, just like the 1st test.

    More than anything else like tactics, techniques and team combinations, England have to BELIEVE in themselves to turn things around. ATM they need to think only about the next test and how to win it. They need to put the thoughts about retaining/losing the urn aside.

    It'll almost be miraculous if England do win in Perth, given our recent "form" with the bat and the "liveliness" of the wicket there. But those 11 lads who step on the field come Friday, must BELIEVE they can bring about this miracle.

    On desperate searching, IMO England probably have a few advantages going to Perth. They were expected to lose this match even before the series began (more so ATM), so that may take off some pressure of expectations. Also, some of our players, though still miles from being back in "form" really, did put up a fight in the 2nd innings.

  • on December 9, 2013, 15:49 GMT

    mitchell the one of finest fast bowler in the world once again proved in the second ashes test at adelaide oval.the way he was bowling is tremendous.even the barmy army praises for his awesome bowling.well played aussies.england need to improve the batting line up.root the young player well batted by standing 4 hours in the ground unfortunately he was dismissed by the aussies gain the ashes 2-0 congrats

  • on December 9, 2013, 15:42 GMT

    I'd leave Swann in.....form is temporary, class is permanant.......I'd actually leave Carberry out (he looks terrified every time he bats and his body language at the crease suggests timidity) Root to open with Cook, Bell at 3, KP at 4, Ballance to come in at 5, Prior 6, Bresnan 7, Broad 8, Swann 9, Anderson 10, Finn 11.....a five man attack with a tall quickie, a quality spinner and a dependable all rounder...Re Prior, it's amazing how a change in attitude can change the player....I watched this morning's passage of play and he looked really confident playing his natural attacking game, and for a while Johnson & Co didn't know where to bowl........Little to choose between the two teams in terms of talent, it's the attitude, simple as that

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on December 9, 2013, 15:06 GMT

    Biggus on (December 9, 2013, 12:48 GMT). Wise words.

    England have always measured themselves against Oz in cricket. Oz must not measure themselves against this poor England side but should continue to improve and aim for numero uno.

    As for Engalnd's Fabian approach, it will be interesting to if they are also cunctatory regarding changes required to their entire setup.

  • on December 9, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    @lland47.I hear what you are saying and you certainly have a valid point. There seems to be a completely lost generation of Australian batsmen and the core of our team is very mature.I'm hoping however that the hunger for success continues to drive this group for the next 2-3 years till they can be replaced.The fact that players such as Clarke, Watson, Johnson, are frustrated with the lack of team success careers might peak their motivation levels for the forseeable future now they have a winning formula.I still hold out hope for Hughes who is quite young (dont laugh)and could be likely to replace Rogers for the Saffa tour.Then there is Wade and Khawaja who have been exposed at the top level who might come good in a year or 2.It seems likely however that Australia will have to bank on their bowling strength to win games and scrape by with their batting somehow.Their bowling though is looking good for years to come and is anchored by Siddle who is both experienced and young.

  • hnlns on December 9, 2013, 14:58 GMT

    Cook must be wondering why he has been reduced from a run-hungry double century maker to a single digit scoring batsman. With the next test at WACA, English batsmen can only dread thinking of what Mitch will be up to on what should be the friendliest surface for genuine quicks.

  • ModernUmpiresPlz on December 9, 2013, 14:45 GMT

    @DJAbacus I did that but I'm on the opposite side. I figure it makes it a win/win situation for me, at least drowning my sorrows would be free if it happened.

    @landl47 Australia are fine in the bowling department though, we have plenty more where that came from. WK spot is definitely Haddins but we do have some replacements waiting in the wings. The only problem is the batting, but that's already a problem so I don't see the difference. I'm hoping when Clarke and Watson retire Warner will have stepped up into a more senior role and Smith will have matured into a more technically sound test batsmen, and maybe introducing a slightly wiser Khawaja for Rogers and Hughes for Watson will work out ok by then. Fingers crossed we find someone who can be a linchpin like Clarke, but that's probably a bridge too far by the looks of it.

  • fguy on December 9, 2013, 13:45 GMT

    IPL bashers - you have to admit that the road to MJ's redemption started when he could get into rhythm playing for MI & make a case for himself in the Oz off-season

  • landl47 on December 9, 2013, 13:22 GMT

    @Meety: My rationale is fairly simple. Rogers 36, Haddin (who has been brilliant in both disciplines) 36, Harris 34, Clarke 32 with a chronic back problem, Watson 32, Johnson 32. That's the heart of the side; take them away and you have Warner, who is playing very well but is hardly a leader in the change room, Bailey, Smith, Siddle and Lyon. I don't see them as a particularly strong group, do you? Only Smith is under 25 and Faulkner (whom I do rate) is up and coming.

    England will be anchored by Cook 28 and Broad 27 for at least the next 5 years, and they have 5 under 25s on this tour- Root, Stokes, Ballance, Bairstow and Finn. Bell is 31 and healthy, so I like his chances of lasting longer than Clarke and Watson. That's a stronger core of young players than Australia's, so I think Australia will decline faster than England.

    Of course, if Aus's young quicks ever get healthy and a few new batsmen come through, it could all change. None of us has a crystal ball.

  • DJAbacus on December 9, 2013, 13:20 GMT

    What to do when your team is 2-0 down?

    Stride confidently down the the nearest bookmakers and slap £10 on England to win 3-2 at 25-1.

  • DJAbacus on December 9, 2013, 13:12 GMT

    On a slightly different tact. It just goes to show how important 'Home Advantage' is in cricket. It effects ODIs and T20s as well but I think it has the most impact on Test Cricket. Not only are you playing in conditions that suit the 'Home' players, bowlers and batsmen, but the away players are without friends and family for a considerable amount of time and this must have a large psychological impact on the players. Many of the players are around the 30 mark and will have young children. It's no fun to be separated from your children even for a a couple of days. Add into that a hostile local crowd and media and the 'Away' team is really up against it. Australia, India and Pakistan are strong at home and weak away from home. England are strong at home but up and down away from home. Great wins away vs India and Australia but losing 3-0 to Pakistan and 0-0 vs NZ not so good. Only SA seem to be able to play well consistently home and away which is why they top the rankings.

  • Bonehead_maz on December 9, 2013, 12:59 GMT

    A really nice feeling to be leading 2-0 from 2. Some slightly worrying signs with our bowling plans in second innings. A quick look through Root's highlights will show he will not come forward unless it's nearly a full toss. Why are we bowling the same length to he and Pietersen (who almost always comes forward) ? I thought Lyon was bowling too leg stump, but given how fine the two short legs were positioned, was obviously expected to - how did they come up with that ? If feeding Prior with short and wide outside off, interspersed with chest high to pull, wasn't a ruse to keep him in the side, it's surely madness ?

  • CricketChat on December 9, 2013, 12:58 GMT

    May be too early to call if the tide turned completely for Aussies or Eng after only 2 matches, but Aussies are playing with purpose on the field which I think is the main reason for their wins. Eng on the other hand are in doldrums with the reliable Trott out and Cook and KP still to contribute big. Anderson has been largely ineffective as is Swann. They both were expected to get the crucial breakthroughs. For all the hype around Panesar, he just didn't look penetrative at all in this test.

  • Biggus on December 9, 2013, 12:48 GMT

    Let's not forget it wasn't so long ago it we who were inept and England who were on top. I'm loving this but we shouldn't get to excited and start hyperventilating. For whatever reason the English are misfiring on all cylinders and we're having it pretty easy, this isn't a proper test of where we are as a side. I've always had doubts about the long term wisdom of England's Fabian strategy for test matches and having a defensive mentality as your default position leaves an opponent who has the resources and a good plan free to seize the initiative. There's always a way to crack a fortification, especially if those sitting in it believe it's impenetrable. MJ has been very hot, but that doesn't explain why England are dropping dollies.

  • PFEL on December 9, 2013, 12:37 GMT

    South Africa and Australia aren't far apart in level at all. People forget so easily that last tour of SA it was 1-1, and just a year ago Aus dominated the first 2 tests of the series only to be held off by rain, injuries, luck and Faf! And they regularly made 500+ against Steyn, Philander, Morkel so we know they can play them.

  • jmcilhinney on December 9, 2013, 12:20 GMT

    @AussiePhoenix on (December 9, 2013, 8:06 GMT), I don't think that England did just say "let's get it over with". I obviously don't know what was said in the dressing room but Matt Prior in particular was out of form and a player like him was never going to get back into form by playing defensively. I think that they probably decided that they wanted to get as many runs as they could rather than batting for as long as they could. There is certainly something to be said for having batted longer but there is also something to be said for having passed 300, which they may not have done if they'd gone ultra-defensive, even if they'd batted longer. It's a mental milestone that they can now look back on and say that they can do it. I'd say that Stuart Broad maybe could have held his enthusiasm in check until a more suitable ball came along but other than that I have no real issues. If they had batted until just after lunch and not made 300 they'd be getting just as much stick or even more.

  • dunger.bob on December 9, 2013, 12:17 GMT

    @ Sleepingfreddyb: You make an excellent point about there being plenty to play for from England's point of view. I'm a bit hazy on this, but if they win again that'll be 4 in a row and a record for England or something like that. The best England side ever. That sounds like something a player might want to be a part of. So it's not as though there's nothing to play for apart the Ashes themselves.

    I've been wondering if England might have unconsciously taken things a bit easy this time. I'm not talking about out and out complacency but just a bit less polish on the plans. .. I couldn't understand why Cook & Carberry batted out the whole first, and only as it turns out, only day in that first tour match. In hindsight now maybe Cook felt the rest of the batting was so reliable the biggest issue was melding himself and Carberry into a viable opening partnership. If that's what it was, that's a pretty serious under-estimation of our bowling.

  • RVC-38 on December 9, 2013, 12:13 GMT

    in my opinion we have two teams here with a lot of players nearing retirement in both teams.... now this is where the difference is, the pommy retirees have done it all, won it all...l they look like the hard work is too much hard work.... the Aussie retirees have there last chance to get themselves into aussie ashes history and IMO it is showing on the field at the moment.

  • ModernUmpiresPlz on December 9, 2013, 12:00 GMT

    @Neil If Australia can even hold a flame to SA at home I'll be massively impressed. I'd expect fast bouncy tracks and both bowling lineups, especially with Mitch in form, have real fire. The batting lineups on the other hand... well SA aren't just in a different league, other than Clarke they're playing an entirely different game. Australia don't need to win to consider that tour a success, they just need to be genuinely competitive. I don't think anyone is even expecting that much. If Australia manage to make decent runs it could well be close, but that SA lineup is almost a lock to make decent runs. They're solid everywhere.

  • RVC-38 on December 9, 2013, 11:56 GMT

    @ Neil Retief on (December 9, 2013, 11:20 GMT) That's what the poms keep doing.... reminding the Aussies about the past victories.

  • Pritt32 on December 9, 2013, 11:50 GMT

    The Australian team is firing in all cylinders such as inspirational captaincy, quality bowling and good batting. England is completely losing the plot. The team is short of ideas, ragged and tired. What next for England? Is it premature to judge on the basis of one series? England is simply going through a torrid time. The batting is not firing, as they struggling to score past 350 on good tracks. Why are they face difficulties playing left hand bowler Johnson? Pietersen's form raises serious concerns. Even Prior and Cook are struggling for form. The bowling is conceding many runs. Cook as a captain is too defensive. Swann, Broad, Monty and Anderson have lost their rhythm as bowlers. If defeats persist, then change seems inevitable. England chance of retaining the Ashes is diminishing rapidly. It will be an upheaval battle to win three or two matches judging on the form of the Australian team.

  • on December 9, 2013, 11:39 GMT

    Ausie played fantastic cricket.England was no match as they are plying for survival only.Their bowling and batting both are ordinary

  • Shaggy076 on December 9, 2013, 11:39 GMT

    ScottStevo; I agree with you the series is far from over. Australia have turned there form around and it is not impossible that England can do it as well. Cricket you only need a couple of bowlers to have big days a couple of bats to make big runs, and they have players in there side who have done that. They should never be taken lightly in Perth. However, if we dont underestimate them and stick to our plans we should prevail.

  • BounceTrack_BULLY on December 9, 2013, 11:38 GMT

    Healthy competition all around. Aus and SA are performing well.

  • Marcio on December 9, 2013, 11:22 GMT

    Those comparing today to the SA Adelaide test are forgetting something VERY significant. Australia were reduced to THREE bowlers from almost the start of the game, when Pattinson broke down after just nine overs, and with Watson also being out injured. It is generally considered that you need five bowlers to win in Adelaide, so Australia - not SA - did remarkably well in that game to go within two wickets of a huge win. Remember also that luck played a huge role there as well - Faf was dropped by Wade and was given out twice, only to have decisions overturned - one LBW had 40% of the ball pitching inside the line of leg stump but hitting when Faf was on 34 early in the morning of the fifth day. So there was literally a couple of mm between Australia and victory in that test - and the series, as AUS then foolishly changed the ENTIRE fast bowling lineup for the last test and lost.

  • on December 9, 2013, 11:20 GMT

    Touring South Africa next year will define how the Aussies have progressed as a team - remember,this is a clash between the number 3 and 5 test cricket teams in the world and England are playing like the number 8 team in the world !!!Their batting is woeful ,bowling not much better and fielding well below standard .Not one of their diciplines is up to standard and the question is '' are they not making the Aussies look fat better than they are'' - picture this same batting lineup facing Steyn ,Morkel and Philander and bowling at Smith ,Amla ,de Villiers and Kallis ?If my memory serves met correctly,we bowled these guys out for 45 and made 300 plus on the same wicket to win a test in their last visit to South Africa.The true measure of this Aussie team will be in SA next year and i believe they will be found wanting - time will tell.

  • Marcio on December 9, 2013, 10:59 GMT

    @Chris_P, your memory is very selective. None of the England quicks bar Finn were getting into the 140s regularly last AUS Ashes tour. At the time I made the comment here that our quicks were 10-15 clicks faster, but innocuous. One big difference is that the weather is far drier this time. It was the wettest summer in 100 years when England last toured. This was a big advantage to England and esp. their bowlers, as the conditions were very English.

  • on December 9, 2013, 10:57 GMT

    If Aussies can keep their trap shut, there is nothing not to like about them. They are a work in progress, they are led brilliantly and have fast bowlers to die for. Plus the fact that they are trampling all over the self centered and self congratulating poms has just made them a favorite among many! :P

  • woodgreen on December 9, 2013, 10:41 GMT

    Cook says hes diappointed after this test.Summing up why we lost.He should be devastated.We are diappointed if we lose a Hampshire league match,he should be traumatised by this.The Aussies clearly want it more than England and if the only emotion you can register is mild diappointment then time to retire to the farm and let the new breed who might actually care take over

  • manmishr on December 9, 2013, 10:41 GMT

    Was a big fan of Mitch ever since he started his career ... Glad to see him bowl the way he's doing it .. For a pacer to irritate Indians in the subcontinent takes a great potential and this guys doing it d best with all authority.

    Aussies , apart from SA are a team to beat now... Although SA are still way ahead but Aussies are approaching fast .. Good signs for Cricket overall... With Pakistan's bowling turning all the more challenging, its an uphill tasks now for indians and English team to rebuild from here ...

  • woodgreen on December 9, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    How are the wacky and hilarious tour diaries coming on this time around?

  • geoffboyc on December 9, 2013, 10:34 GMT

    So part 1 of England's plan is now complete and the Aussies are feeling triumphant and over confident; I thought Cook did a great job in disguising the plan with his glum faced interview although Bell, Broad, Swann and Prior nearly gave the game away with their second innings dismissals. Now the series really begins after England have handicapped themselves so they face a genuine challenge to keep the urn. Let's hope they can pick up the threads again now the play acting preliminaries are over.

  • DJAbacus on December 9, 2013, 10:32 GMT


    I am sure you would like to forget about losing 3-0 in England, 4-0 in India and no doubt you will want to forget about losing 3-0 in SA in a couple of months time. Pretending the loses didn't happen and only the wins really count would be really great but unfortunately life doesn't work like that. Personally, I like to look at the bigger picture. What better way to properly compare the current England and Australia teams than to see this as a 10 match series. That way, home conditions which as we all know as so important in Test Cricket are negated so 3-2 to England with 3 matches to play. Let's see if Australia can draw level in Perth. Come on England let's keep our advantage.

  • ModernUmpiresPlz on December 9, 2013, 10:30 GMT

    @scottstevo You would have a fair point if England's batsmen didn't look so fragile at ADELAIDE. They were getting stuck in their creases over short stuff on a dead Adelaide pitch. They'll be batting from behind the stumps at the WACA.

  • Nutcutlet on December 9, 2013, 10:22 GMT

    From the moment Stuart Broad gave his wicket away with a repeat arial pull to midwicket, I realised just how England was going to approach this 5th day. Get through it, keep the crowd entertained & don't be long about it, like the teacher who says you can go out to play when you've finished your work. A few scribbles later, it's all over and those watching back in UK can get off to bed. No point in wasting any more sleep. We knew what Cook was going to say. We've heard it before. Recently. I suppose those who are looking for 'positives' will say that it was good to see Prior playing confidently, but don't be kidded, Australia (Oz) were just sitting back, knowing that England was in self-destruct mode so there was no need to go into overdrive, merely conserve energy. Proper Test cricket resumes at the WACA on Friday. I wonder how long that Test will last as a genuine contest. This one lost that accolade after England's first knock, just like the one before.

  • Rufus_Fuddleduck on December 9, 2013, 10:22 GMT

    @Mitty2, a huge thanks for your eloquent posts. Overall, the time is ripe. Let the hour bring forth the man - or as Sir Pelham Wodehouse put it, let the hour remorselessly reveal the Wash-Out. As of now, no prizes for guessing who's been washed and put out to dry! Where is Iron Bottom's genius when it is needed by the hour?

  • SrinivasPachari on December 9, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    Great effort from Australia...

    I have a question, is MJ the quickest left arm bowler in the history of cricket? I have been watching cricket for 20 years and I have never seen a quicker left arm bowler in my time than Mitchell Johnson. I think MJ will be absolutely deadly throughout his career, if he maintains his consistency, because he creates unbelievable angles with pace. I would definitely not dare to play the pull shot at will against that pace + angle + bounce. One more thing he has done perfectly in Adelaide is, he has put all his doubters to rest by hitting the stumps in the 1st innings consistently (at an avg of 92mph). A close look at the scorecard and will tell you that he has taken 1 lbw and 4 clean bowled out of his 7 wickets.

    To the people who think that England found their mojo in the second innings, watch MJ's pace number, it has significantly reduced from an average of 92 to 88. This is a comeback of epic proportions. You have to give it to the man.

  • RVC-38 on December 9, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    @ DJAbacus on (December 9, 2013, 9:35 GMT) You are kidding yourself mate it is not a 10 game epic, we have already been told how good we are in the first 5. now it looks like it is on serve,. sorry late break to Australia. .

  • zoot364 on December 9, 2013, 10:13 GMT

    @electric_loco_WAP4, Tymal Mills is a left arm opening bowler. He plays for Essex and can be pretty quick when he gets it right. But he isn't accurate enough and generally bowls too short.

  • RVC-38 on December 9, 2013, 10:05 GMT

    @ bobmartin on (December 9, 2013, 9:29 GMT) It's great isn't it, even with a so so team. we can still hold our own against the masters.

  • PFEL on December 9, 2013, 10:00 GMT

    "I think it's pretty poor how root is being messed around. First he comes into the team as opener, then he is no6, now no3?"

    Sound familiar, Phil Hughes? Lol

  • PFEL on December 9, 2013, 9:59 GMT

    "I think it's pretty poor how root is being messed around. First he comes into the team as opener, then he is no6, now no3?"

    Sound familiar, Phil Hughes? Lol

  • Warm_Coffee on December 9, 2013, 9:58 GMT

    England have no chance at Perth a place where only Australia are basically masters at. Hope they are prepared to handing over the Ashes back what a shame.

  • Redken on December 9, 2013, 9:51 GMT

    It seems to me that the England batsmen have tried to hit their way out of trouble resulting in some cheap wickets for Australia if they are to get back in this series they have to put in some hard graft I think England's approach all round has been somewhat thoughtless and crude eg when they bounced Clarke out in the first test they just overdid the tactic thereafter. England just don't have the kind of bowlers to fight Mitchell's Johnson's aggression with similar tactics. A much more thoughtful approach is needed. Austrailia so far have simply outplayed and out thought England.

  • milepost on December 9, 2013, 9:49 GMT

    @Mitty2, brilliant comments, really funny thank you! Where is Front Foot Lunge anyway, gone a bit quiet? @DJAbacus, what are you on about 10 match series, can England hold their advantage? You don't get this Ashes for the result in England but I suppose you desperately need straws to cling to, like your team.

  • wonderstar1 on December 9, 2013, 9:49 GMT

    Bob Martin .. Oh Bob Dear. Can I put this way? An below ordinary side is getting all out for 172 runs on the flattest of the pitches you will ever see and looking like minnow side even worse than Zim?

  • GurSinghgur on December 9, 2013, 9:49 GMT

    "Michael Clarke's leadership and him standing up to the ego-driven Jimmy Anderson set the tone for the series". Yes indeed it did, @avagoumug. And what a tone. How nice it was to see and hear an ego-free courteous soft-spoken Oz captain telling the arrogant Pom where to get off. Funny he got fined for it. Why must grown men paid to play cricket--which Clarke does very well--stick to cricket instead of sledging?

  • ScottStevo on December 9, 2013, 9:48 GMT

    @Chris_P, there's nothing to gloat about yet. We haven't won the Ashes and from recollection 2 up with 3 to play where the other side need only 2 isn't impossible, or even implausible! the worst thing I keep seeing, is that everyone just expects we're going to walk up to the WACA, throw the ball to MJ, roll Eng for 25, smash 200 and declare, then roll Eng for 30 and be done after a day or so. This isn't going to be the case. If Eng select the right players, they could beat us - easily. A guy like Finn or Tremlet could do major damage to us. We still have major frailties with our batting line up and are only ever a wicket or so away from a major collapse! I'm glad we're in a great positiion, but let's not count our chickens...not just yet. We still need to play hard at the WACA as Eng are going to be desperate for a turnaround, and they've got some fine players in their squad...

  • Biggus on December 9, 2013, 9:47 GMT

    @cccrider:-Not so, Matthew Hayden simply couldn't cope with test cricket first time around. At that point he was not a great being treated appallingly but promising youngster who couldn't quite make the step up. Everything you've said is nonsense and I can't help but wondering where the anger is coming from. Are you Steve O'Keefe?

  • PFEL on December 9, 2013, 9:45 GMT

    what's really funny is how many English batsmen through their wickets away with catches in the infield and in the deep (4 from hook shots!), when they should have been batting to save a test. From the way things went if they had have just shut up shop like South Africa a year ago they should have been able to save the game in hindsight, especially with weather around. I mean only like 2 or 3 of their wickets fell to good balls the rest were throwing their wickets away.

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on December 9, 2013, 9:42 GMT

    Even I have to admit that pundit and poet RandyOz was right all along: "the inevitable slide continues".

  • JG2704 on December 9, 2013, 9:36 GMT

    Finally , I think Warne made good points in commentary re Broad playing too gungho considering the situation. I'm not sure how much rain was around but Eng were never going to get the runs but there was a remote chance that the rain could have saved the side had they dug in a bit more.I suppose some of the batsmen yesterday could have done more in this respect too. Broad did this job vs NZ in NZ last year and there's no way Eng would have saved the final test had Broad not played the way he did. Maybe he didn't back himself vs this bowling unit but it seems to me that we didn't explore every avenue to save the game

  • zoot364 on December 9, 2013, 9:36 GMT

    Well done Australia. You won playing aggressive and thinking cricket. England have been a side in gentle decline for some time now, and towards the end of the last English summer the signs were clear that Australia were getting their game together. So the result shouldn't be too much of a surprise; indeed several English commentators had Australia as favorites. Without Johnson's return to form the games might have been closer but I doubt the result any different.

  • DJAbacus on December 9, 2013, 9:35 GMT

    Great fight back by Australia. They were humiliated in England 3-0 but have managed to claw a couple of test matches back. Now it's only 3-2 to England in this epic 10 Test Match Series. Will Australia pull level at the Waca or will England keep their advantage? Roll on Thursday.

  • Eight8 on December 9, 2013, 9:31 GMT

    Well, Australia might not necessarily have won it on their first innings as Adelaide is one of the few grounds in world cricket where 500+ in the 1st innings has still ended up with a loss, but England definitely lost it with their first innings. 170odd on that pitch simply not good enough.

    ps: @Mitty2: your post is gold! FFL nowhere to be seen on the message boards for a few days now.

  • bobmartin on December 9, 2013, 9:29 GMT

    In the last two tests England have achieved the impossible. They've made an ordinary side look almost world class.

  • dunger.bob on December 9, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    Lyon may actually go all right in Perth. My reasoning being he looked better in Brisbane than he did in Adelaide and the difference was the bounce. .. If bounce is what he needs, I can't think of a better place than Perth.

  • JG2704 on December 9, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    As I've said before , I think our batsmen need to learn quicker and be wiser to Aus plans re getting wickets to the hook shot on the boundary. There's enough quality coming from the 3 pacers to get wickets without having to give them freebies. Also would like to see our batsmen show positive intent by playing good,positive cricket shots - esp vs Lyon who I think we have shown too much respect to. Bell showed in the 1st inns how to do this. Re bowling , I'm not sure where to go. The Monty experiment will obviously be over now so I'd probably bring in Rankin , although I feel he should have played the previous warm up game. He adds a bit of pace/hostility but seems to have the control which Finn is sadly lacking. We need the win in the next game - I felt a draw would have been good in this game even before it started. But I'm genuinely not sure if Stokes carries enough threat with the bat or ball although he didn't bowl too badly. Controversially I still like Jonny as a 6th bat

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on December 9, 2013, 9:25 GMT

    By the way ,who is this Tymal Mills some Eng fans talking about ? Is he a S African ? Is he a bowler ? -spin, pace,m/pace ? I think I heard he is a L/A quick like Mitch . Well ,if so he may bowl left arm seam but there's only 1 like Mitch -L/A @ 150+.There are many of his ilk - left arm quick -,but 30 ks slower .

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on December 9, 2013, 9:17 GMT

    @Mitty2 (post on December 9, 2013, 8:44 GMT): loved it! :-) Really laughed reading that mate - thanks for that. Series like this really bring out the best banter.

  • JG2704 on December 9, 2013, 9:15 GMT


    4 - As Ive said before , England batsmen seem unable to be positive without becoming reckless 5 - The bowling looks by& large unthreatening too 6 - It's a vicious circle as the bowlers prob feel under more pressure because they have little confidence in the batting being able to turn things around and the batsmen are under preessure because the bowlers dont look like bailing them out.With Aus it's the reverse and the batsmen are playing with more freedom leading to better scores knowing the bowling is more than capable of bailing them out. I also find that lower order/tails contribute more runs when the team is on top - another difference between the 2 sides 7 - There's no obvious answer re change of personnel as none of our squad players have done much on tour.I feel Jonny has been unlucky not to get a look in and I still felt the Stokes inclusion (after doing nothing in the warm up matches) was strange

    Apart from this all is looking rosy re Eng's bid to retain the Ashes

  • Rowayton on December 9, 2013, 9:09 GMT

    I thought England were gone before this match started. Now I've got nothing against young Stokes, but I could not believe that after failing miserably with the bat in the first test, for the second they pick a bloke to bat 6 who is a first gamer with a first class average of 35. Extraordinary. Everybody is going on about the pace at Perth - I reckon this is overrated. My prediction - Perth will be a draw.

  • Mitty2 on December 9, 2013, 9:02 GMT

    To reiterate how bad England have been so far, both Harris and MJ have higher averages than most Eng batsmen, three of their four innings have ended before they made 180 (all on good batting wickets), their captain is comprehensively being out-performed and out-captained by the opposing captain, their supposedly 'world class' spinners are being outperformed by an Adelaide "club level medium pacer" groundsman, their world class batsmen with their 40+ averages are heavily under performing - "complacency" lol? - and are showing no spine whatsoever, and their pacers have been very innocuous. There is no silver lining. This is as comprehensive as it gets. There's no 'we start series complacently/poorly and always come back'; no 'on paper we're a superior team and only Clarke would make our team'; and no fourth innings century (Root close) to give hope, and their weakness against pace is only further going to be exploited at Perth. The Ashes are coming back to where they rightly belong.

  • BRUTALANALYST on December 9, 2013, 9:00 GMT

    People are talking about it's good KP and Prior got some runs but KP smacking Steve Smith with field up and getting a cheap half century in a second Innngs and Prior having a slashy risk a ball innings again with field up in 2nd innings is hardly convincing for me. I said before if England go 2-0 down they should throw Tymal Mills in for Perth who cares now they have got to do something drastically different and at the very least it will be some consolation for English fans to see him rush a few Aussies.

  • JG2704 on December 9, 2013, 9:00 GMT

    Well played Australia. A dire situation for England.The positives (which are the feintest silver edge to the cloud) are that at least Eng's 2nd inns was better and that 2 of the batsmen (who hadn't previously on tour) got 50s. The negatives are 1- We are still being thrashed and this is the 1st time under Flower that Eng have been thrashed in 2 consecutive tests 2- Our batsmen are continually getting out to the same shots - getting caught on the boundary.Good plans from Aus but surely Eng should learn not to keep making the same mistake. Cook's was terrible as he didn't even have his eye in 3- All out batsmen have made 50s but not 1 has made more than 1 50 and not one has made a ton. So it's the worst of both worlds as they are neither getting the big scores (when set) once in a while or the 50+s regularly - both would lead to competitive scorres and it means that the players are making just enough runs to keep them in the side but not enough to impact on results.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on December 9, 2013, 8:54 GMT

    @Hayley House -There is only 1 bloke going to get 'struck' in Perth . It is Broad . He may as well try his 80mph bouncers at Mitch - if he is needed to bat at all - and just watch it disappear back into the banks at the WACA . I have not even spoken about Johnson the bowler yet !!

  • Mitty2 on December 9, 2013, 8:52 GMT

    @cccrider, I don't know if you're joking or not. Let's ignore the fact that Lyon has gotten more turn and bounce than Swann in both tests, let's ignore that Swann and Panesar both average almost a 100 in this series and Lyon averages far better (whilst also having a significant impact in the 1st test by capturing the key wickets of Bell and Cook and also initiating their mega collapse), let's ignore that historically Aus is a grave yard for off spinners with even the greatest in Murali having a very mediocre record here and let's ignore that Lyon's the best performed spinner this series, Nathan Lyon by age has a superior record to the great Benaud at the same time, has a very good strike rate for an off spinner on these non-assisting pitches, is economical and as Ashley Malley said himself, is likely to become Australia's greatest ever off spinner. But no @cccrider, I'm sure Mallet's opinion means nothing.

  • on December 9, 2013, 8:52 GMT

    @Aditya Srinivasan "...when the Aussies tour the Proteas in February '14 - that tour will tell us who the best test team in the world is..."

    Don't worry, we Aussie fans already know who the best team in the world is, but we are looking forward to the tour anyway. Besides, we might even win -- SA will have their traditional home ground disadvantage.

  • Shaggy076 on December 9, 2013, 8:52 GMT

    Biggus ; I'm pretty sure both S Warne and G Mcgrath did their apprenticeships in test cricket as well.

  • on December 9, 2013, 8:52 GMT

    England blown away again.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on December 9, 2013, 8:48 GMT

    Well credit must goes to Aus team for 2 thrashing wins and nearing holding the urn @ Perth even though Eng were mediocre and a no contest. The seniors incl. captain Clarke ,Siddle and Johnson led by their performance helping the young Aus team to play as a team . Warner and Smith benefiting in particular . But I don't understand why so much credit goes to the coach DL .Darren was a great player but a coach has no role once in the field and all credit goes to the Aus team -players took the field . Talking of which,who Aus need to fiel for Perth - Watson to go ,to be replaced by all rounder Voges and Lyon making way for Cutting/Faulkner . Voges will provide option of P/T spin . Though I doubt it will be needed at all ! -:)

  • Mitty2 on December 9, 2013, 8:44 GMT

    Permission to gloat @Chris_P after sitting through all those 7 losses, all the off-field drama and media damnation these past 8 months? I feel like doing so in the fashion of Front Foot Lunge:

    Australia's long established, 25 year long Ashes domination continues. Australia beat England for fun these days. Cook yet again showing himself as the worst captain in the history of the world, with the imagination of something without imagination. Clarke constantly beating him tactically and of course with the bat. Cook's just hiding by opening. The real men bat at 4. Swann is literally the worst spinner (if you can even call him that - hes a medium pacer) ever seen. The contrast between him and Lyon - renowned as the world's biggest turner - is just so embarrassing. Eng's cupboard is disgracefully bad, and the fact that in this squad they have an Irishman, Zimbabwean, 3 SAs, NZer and an Indian is more embarrassing. Anderson most overrated bowler in the world, and is slower than John Hastings.

  • LoungeChairCritic on December 9, 2013, 8:43 GMT

    @jmcilhinney I was well aware of Prior's match saving innings in Auckland last year. He and Monty batted for quite a while at the end. After his heroics in Cardiff 2009, I remember thinking to myself at the time that Monty has done it again. I hope England keep Monty in the side for Perth. Robin Peterson killed us at the WACA last year. In my opinion Monty will be able to use the bounce and drop to his advantage bowling from the Prindiville End into the doctor. The WACA will suit both attacks. England also need to inject either Finn or Rankin into the side to bowl quick and sharp spells. It is going to be hot, so you will need to have 5 bowlers and not 4. Stokes in my opinion also has a future. It was great to see him give Johnson a loving nudge in his 1st test. Allrounders need to be good competitors.

  • Chris_P on December 9, 2013, 8:37 GMT

    @jmcilhinney. Mate, Anderson was regularly nudging 140 last time, now he is barely going past 130, it's a marked difference & Broad was well into the 140's, he didn't hit 140 in Brisbane & just nudged it a couple of times in Adelaide. Tremlett in Brisbane wasn't hitting 130 after bumping 140 with ease last time. I'll wait to see Bresnan, he has't been the same bowler since his injuries. They are missing that extra zip & those dropped catches aren't helping.

  • Mitty2 on December 9, 2013, 8:34 GMT

    @Jmcilhinney, speaking from a person who's watched all on TV (going to first four days of the boxing day test) and watched most of the play, Anderson rarely (saw him go above a few times) goes above 134km/h and Broad has operated in the mid 130's consistently but has never ventured above 140. Stokes has been Eng's fastest baller so fa. In Eng pitches pace obviously doesn't matter as much but as displayed here, the best ballers have been Harris and MJ, and they're both operating above 140. Pace's not necessarily a must here - as showcased so expertly by Mcgrath and currently shown by Bird in his short, dominant FC career and two home tests. What's funny about that is that Bird operates just under mid-130's and has for the most part struggled in his two A tours in Eng (plus his underwhelming Durham test) but has dominated in Aus (probably because of his height). Pace is not the biggest factor - Eng's self destruction is. 20 dismissals by being caught on the leg sie is absolutely abysmal.

  • cccrider on December 9, 2013, 8:32 GMT

    You can't sensibly compare Matt Hayden and Nathan Lyon. They are polar opposites - one was a great treated appalling by national selectors and the other ordinary at best and being gifted with a baggy green. We lost 3-4 years of Hayden mid-career. The attempted comparison is nonsense.

  • KiWiRoCkEr on December 9, 2013, 8:29 GMT

    With just one or two wins, suddenly one team earned the name of unbeatable team which lost the last 9 tests as 7-0. The other team got the name of overrated, mediocre which crushed the so called unbeatable team 3-0 only 2 months back

  • justtogood on December 9, 2013, 8:16 GMT

    @Radu - to answer your question re AB De Villiers and FAF, AB is one in a league if his own and no English batsman can even be spoken about in the same sentence!!! As for FAF one that kid has his eye in he's very difficult to get out and AUS pitches are very similar to those if AUS. England are very over rated period......

  • Biggus on December 9, 2013, 8:15 GMT

    @yorkslanka:-It may be tough on Root to be shifting him around the order but if anything his meritorious efforts to adapt are enhancing his reputation. He looks to be a good player with a good temperament. On top of that he's a useful offie. Lots to like right there, I think he'll cope.

  • jmcilhinney on December 9, 2013, 8:09 GMT

    @Chris_P on (December 9, 2013, 7:36 GMT), I'm afraid I can't agree regarding the pace of the England bowlers. If Anderson and Broad are slower than they were on the last tour then it will be only marginally and, when he plays, Bresnan will be close to what was if not the same as well. Anderson has been mid to high 130s for a long time and Broad is high 130s to low 140s most of the time with a few effort balls going to mid or even high 140s. Broad was down on pace while he had issues with his heel (which may flare up again but is OK for the moment) but is pretty much back to what he was and Bresnan looked to be back to what he was before his first elbow surgery when his back issue was found. What they don't have is someone taking the wickets that Finn and Tremlett did last time. Finn has lost it since the coaches tinkered with his technique and Tremlett has not recovered his pace since his injuries and shouldn't be here.

  • AussiePhoenix on December 9, 2013, 8:06 GMT

    @ jmcilhinney "with the personnel they had, playing defensively might have gotten them to lunch but definitely not far beyond." Can't you see that's the point so many people are making here? To turn things around you have to fight, for as long as you can. Last man standing stuff, otherwise what is the point of turning up. Being defensive can include many different tactics. It was still a great batting track, not giving away your wicket is a pretty simple mindset for all, even Monty (he proved that in first innings). Instead of excuses, just say it - as a team England didn't put in the effort. It's better to try your guts out and still lose, than say - 'Oh we can't win this, let's just get it over with.' Where is the Agincourt spirit?

  • Chris_P on December 9, 2013, 8:04 GMT

    On another note, I hope the genuine Aussie fans don't gloat, celebrate the efforts to date, but we have had our crunch times as well. Mind you, personally I won't hold back on FFS, rednwhite army & a couple of others deserving of a reminder, but by & large our discussions have been friendly & respectful, we all appreciate what the Ashes & these contests are.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on December 9, 2013, 7:59 GMT

    Relatively speaking, England went out with somewhat of a bang as opposed to the whimper seen in the first game and indeed the first innings of this game. Some runs beside Prior's name for example will do him the world of good, and all-in-all England's second innings score would have been quite commendable in the first innings. Surgical precision once again from Australia's bowlers, and they've once again shown they're not simply dependent on one or two key players. Well done Australia.

  • Biggus on December 9, 2013, 7:55 GMT

    @cccrider:-" Just drop Lyons. No training wheels at test level." If we'd done that Richie Benaud, Steve Waugh and Matthew Hayden would never have had the test careers they had, just to name three of many. I think he's worth persisting with.

  • sachin_vvsfan on December 9, 2013, 7:54 GMT

    Where is RandyOz? Surprised to not hear from him when they are on top. This may keep FFL quiet for some time until the Indian tour( where our listless bowlers take the game to next level :) )

  • SugarFoot on December 9, 2013, 7:39 GMT

    What can I say besides the obvious? England have no grasp on the short ball. Australia have a new bowling match winner in Johnson. England cannot field. Australia can. England were absolutely spanked both in Adelaide and Brisbane. England are on the decline and I will be watching every ball in Perth. You little ripper.

  • on December 9, 2013, 7:38 GMT

    @Paul Rone-Clarke First test match figures: Broad 8/136, Johnson 9/103. I'm sure you have more straws to clutch at...

  • yorkslanka on December 9, 2013, 7:37 GMT

    Congrats to Australia on another win and another really dominant performance. I have to admit, before e series, I predicted a 3-0 win for wrong could I have been !! Good to see Prior get some again. I think it's pretty poor how root is being messed around. First he comes into the team as opener, then he is no6, now no3?come on give the guy a chance, he is only a young lad and this messing risks his future if he fails...

  • Chris_P on December 9, 2013, 7:36 GMT

    @ jmcilhinney. Agree catching is vital, last time here, England dropped nothing while we dropped heaps. It's all in cycles, usually favouring the teams on a roll. England's catching, as I have mentioned a few times, has been very sub standard for their level, it has bitten them hard. Their bowlers though, are 10+ kph down on last tour, you need pace down here, they are giving starts whereas previously they were on the front foot. It's still a contest, but they are on their last chance.

  • NormalServiceResumed on December 9, 2013, 7:31 GMT

    Test match cricket is certainly being "ruined" by roads like this one. Great to see another magnificent bowling performance by Swann and Panesar, 4/380 between them. Must hurt a lot to support a "nation" beaten by such a mediocre and overrated team.

  • Chris_P on December 9, 2013, 7:27 GMT

    @ landl47. There is some age issues with the Aussies, but we have plenty of pace reserves, & spectacular back-ups as well. Keeping wise is covered, of Rogers, Watson & Bailey, Rogers will be the hardest to replace & who knows how long Clarke will last. I seriously don't think we will sink, perhaps might take a little while to get back on top though. I think they will try to take all players through this series, but there is a huge question mark on Watson's role, he is not doing the all-rounder's role & for all his talent, his batting is not up to scratch.

  • on December 9, 2013, 7:27 GMT

    I do not really understand what England set out to do. They basically could have raised a white flag for what it's worth. It is worth remembering that almost exactly a year ago at the same ground, facing a similarly daunting target and an only slightly smaller number of overs (and without any respite from the weather), South Africa played out 148 overs for a draw which left Australia bruised and arguably turned the series. If naturally aggressive players like AB and Faf can do that, why did England not even try? Most of them went out hooking, for crying out loud!

  • RVC-38 on December 9, 2013, 7:26 GMT

    @ jmcilhinney on (December 9, 2013, 6:31 GMT) Mate common it is the closest thing you will get to a road in Australia Harris smashing 50, lyon smashing sixers even Prior got runs, true if they didn't drop the catches the score would have been lower but if Warner had smashed it over Carberrys head in the first Innings he would have gone on to make 200 but it did not happen.

  • AB34 on December 9, 2013, 7:24 GMT

    @landl47 and @Meety. You should try to count the number of over 31-32s on the England team; Carberry, Pieterson, Bell, Prior, Anderson, Swann, Panesar

  • jmcilhinney on December 9, 2013, 7:21 GMT

    @LoungeChairCritic on (December 9, 2013, 6:31 GMT), if one of the batsmen had still been at the crease then maybe they would have played differently but Prior is not the sort of player who would last if he tried to stonewall all day. Maybe Prior's match-saving century against NZ wasn't shown in Australia but, all through that innings, he continued to attack even though England had no chance of winning, because that's his best form of defence. Broad and Swann also don't have the defence to last that long. If Cook or Bell or Root had still been around then they may have played differently but, with the personnel they had, playing defensively might have gotten them to lunch but definitely not far beyond.

  • on December 9, 2013, 7:14 GMT

    Shell shocked? Yes. But England's biggest failing in the second test was their truly terrible fielding. No less than 7 chances muffed, and that's not including the run out miss. Aussies might still have won, but the fielding was the biggest difference here. Playing staff wise the Aussies have two in superlative form in Clarke and Johnson. Let's not forget that the best bowling figures in the first test was not Johnson, but Broad. England need to win two and lose no more to save their grip on the ashes. But for Perth I think they'd have a genuine chance.

  • Meety on December 9, 2013, 7:08 GMT

    @jmcilhinney on (December 9, 2013, 6:48 GMT) - re: luck, fortune favours the brave! LOL! @cccrider on (December 9, 2013, 6:49 GMT) when you make comments like "...obvious Lyons is playing out of his league..." - your opinion should be derided!

  • warnerbasher on December 9, 2013, 7:06 GMT

    The batting still needs improving because against the good teams we won't be receiving the friendly 130km offerings served up by Anderson and co

  • Shaggy076 on December 9, 2013, 7:06 GMT

    England fans should be very disappointed with what happened on the 5th day. Broad, Prior, Swann none of them even wanted to try to keep Australia in the field. It was a good batting wicket and every minute Australia kept in the field would have creates fatigue for Perth. After fighting so hard yesterday, today was poor.

  • PrasPunter on December 9, 2013, 7:01 GMT

    @Redbackfan, yes the batting has been inconsistent - but as I see it, barring Smith all have made vital contributions at key moments in the 2 games - Watson scoring a 50, Rogers scoring one, Bailey's innings was crucial at 170+ / 4 and big ones from Pup, Warner and Haddin. And we had Johnson and Harris chimming in with good 50's as well. So not a pathetic batting performance as a whole. If we win the toss at Perth, 300+ odd should be good enough and if we could get atleast 3-4 50-run partnerships, we are safe, hopefully with Mitch doing what he usually does over there. Go Aus !! 3-0 come Dec 17 !!

  • on December 9, 2013, 7:00 GMT

    broad is too slow to make any difference to Johnson in fact none of the English bowlers bowling at 80-85 mph

  • cccrider on December 9, 2013, 6:49 GMT

    Rooboy, this is a place for opinions, and I'll have mine. Who cares if Lyons has the best figures of the two teams playing? What a ridiculous yardstick. Lyons is palpably not up to it, inaccurate, inconsistent, unreliable. When even Kerry O'Keefe criticises a spinner, its obvious Lyons is playing out of his league.

  • jmcilhinney on December 9, 2013, 6:48 GMT

    @Meety on (December 9, 2013, 6:22 GMT), we'll need to see a couple more innings to know for sure whether Prior has turned the corner but, to be frank, that innings looked pretty much like every good Prior innings; no more or less lucky, other than maybe the ball he left that nearly shaved his off stump. You may not have seen the match-saving century he scored in NZ but it looked pretty similar to his innings here. That's the way he plays. If you want to see a genuinely lucky innings, watch Haddin's.

  • dunger.bob on December 9, 2013, 6:32 GMT

    2/3 of the job done. Keep at it boy's. .. It really was a great effort to get a result out of that pitch. Without MJ's blitzkrieg there wouldn't have been enough time for a result but the other bowlers all did their bit as well. RE. Lyon. Australia's a very hard place for offies. Just ask Swann how well he's going.

  • jmcilhinney on December 9, 2013, 6:31 GMT

    @rickyvoncanterbury on (December 9, 2013, 5:40 GMT), while I'm not about to say that Australia didn't outplay England anyway, I don't think that it's quite fair to point to Australia's runs and say that they batted so much better than England. Let's not forget that Bailey should have been out on 10 and Haddin had 3 genuine lives, the first when he was on 5. That's 156 runs off Australia's first innings total right away, plus all the runs that were scored at the other end while they were in. Clarke had a couple of let-offs too, although they were both very tough chances. I don't think that Australia did make the pitch look like a road. England's poor catching just made them look like they did. England made it look like a minefield in the first innings but their second innings was as good as Australia's first should have been and we don't know how Australia's second would have turned out. I think that the catching was actually a bigger factor in the game than the batting.

  • LoungeChairCritic on December 9, 2013, 6:31 GMT

    After 7 long years. It is nice to see things go our way. It was a good toss to win in Adelaide. I must admit I didn't understand England's 2nd innings tactic's. Obviously the highlights of the Oz v SA test in Adelaide last year was not shown in the UK. Oz are not a great team, but at least they are all contributing at certain times. They have hardly dropped a catch. My favourite part of the game, was Mitch Johnson's stare to Anderson when he bowled him for a golden duck. Actions speak louder than words. After spending most of his career being pleasant to batsmen, it great to see him display some inner mongrel. All good fast bowlers, go over the edge at times.

  • Rufus_Fuddleduck on December 9, 2013, 6:31 GMT

    Iron Bottom may not be a bad idea. Like Headingley, nothing to worry about, just go out and do it - because what can anyone complain after England lose at Adelaide? Only thing here lacking here is old goose Willis. The greatest fast bowler on the planet, the greatest spinner on the planet and the upcoming greatest all-rounder on the planet don't quite match up to Willis. Pity he wasn't appreciated as much those days. Still if Iron Bottom had done it then, he may as well do it now

  • sachin_vvsfan on December 9, 2013, 6:27 GMT

    Well, not a happy day for India and Eng fans with two consecutive losses in the formats that their fans like the most. I still feel Eng have better batters than Aus but Mitch is becoming too much . Anderson and Broad are not exploiting the same way Mitch is doing. @Rufus_Fuddleduck I think thats the difference between these two teams. Aus will not play for draw(Mind you even a draw has to be earned). Even SA plays for a draw (evident in last India tour to SA and SA tour to Aus)

    Is there any instance in the past 15 years or so when Aus played out themselves for a draw? #JustCurious

  • Meety on December 9, 2013, 6:25 GMT

    @ landl47 on (December 9, 2013, 5:46 GMT) "... Given the age of the side, their decline is likely to be quicker and sooner than England's..." - Could you explain your rationale there? I agreed with everything prior to that.

  • trumpoz on December 9, 2013, 6:24 GMT

    Ahhh 2-0. Well at least the English cricket team turned up to bat in the 2nd dig. Root's innings is a real positive - he looks to be a classy young player and will be a formidable batsman in the future. Good to see Siddle and Harris getting some wickets. Lyon was trying too hard, but thankfully that doesn't mean too much as we well and truly flogged England.

    Hard to see England coming back from this - Just need good Mitch to turn up for Perth and the Ashes are coming home.

  • Rooboy on December 9, 2013, 6:23 GMT

    cccrider - get over it. His name is LYON not Lyons, and his test bowling average indicates that while he's no Warne , he is doing a more than adequate job for Aus. He's been the best spinner of either team so far, which admittedly, isn't saying much, but I believe even Murali averaged over 50 per wicket (or was it 70?) in Aus. I don't know what some people expect from Lyon. lol Rufus, yep that's all eng need to do. And I only need another 100 test wickets and then I'll be a 100 wicket test bowler. Both look equally likely at this point

  • Meety on December 9, 2013, 6:22 GMT

    Where to now for England? 3 days to turn the ship around, given the mental aspect of the game, it is very hard to see that happening. Whilst Panesar did get a big haul in 06/07 at the WACA - he will get dropped, the big question is will Swann get dropped too? I thought Swann was better in Adelaide & his spin could work into the Freo Doctor. Assuming that Stokes has done enuff to keep his place (from Eng team management POV) - then Swann will probably stay & it will be either Bresnan or Finn in for Monty. The WACA is a result pitch & so England must be looking to win it (as opposed to draw & hope for the best at the SCG & MCG). The Prior innings I thought was at times a bit lucky - so I am not sure he has turned the corner, Eng should of batted Bairstow higher in the AC XI game. My side would be 1. Cook, 2. Carberry, 3. Root, 4. Bell, 5. KP, 6. Bairstow (wk), 7. Bresnan, 8. Broad, 9. Swann, 10. Finn, 11. Anderson. Stokes unlucky but out. Bairstow be given license to smash.

  • Avagoumug on December 9, 2013, 6:14 GMT

    I feel so much credit must go to Boof Lehmann. He has the ability to mould a team, have the players believe in themselves, to play their natural game keeping it simple and to have go. Look what he did with Queensland in his first year as coach and look where they are now without him??? I am so much more comfortable with the Australian team being coached by an Aussie and an ex player who understands what it takes to play at test level. Michael Clarkes leadership and him standing up to the ego driven Jimmy Anderson set the tone for the series. Anderson is very pedestrian when the ball is not swinging. Boofs support and not agreeing to a meeting with the Poms shows he won't be dictated too and just get on with the game

  • GurSinghgur on December 9, 2013, 6:12 GMT

    Just one square inch of silver lining for England: once-prolific and match-saving Matt Prior again makes some runs .

  • PrasPunter on December 9, 2013, 6:11 GMT

    Drop Lyon for Perth and get Dougy in . But I doubt if this is going to happen !! An unchanged squad has already been announced !! Or Play Faulkner in place of Lyon atleast !!

  • on December 9, 2013, 6:11 GMT

    England's two consecutive losses against Australia, and India's two consecutive losses to South Africa prove one thing. The "mental factor" plays a major role while touring "enemy" territory! Sometimes, even more than the cricketing skills. (I am NOT undermining the importance of cricketing skills; just underlining a heavily downplayed factor).

    Once a team gets into a negative mindset, it sets in motion a downward spiral. Mental conditioning coaches have a larger role to play in tackling this, than the cricketing coaches! If we fail in doing that, the "cricketing results" will partially lose their meaning!

  • Marcio on December 9, 2013, 6:10 GMT

    @Rufus_Fuddleduck "England only need to win two of Perth, Sydney and Melbourne - and draw the third - in order to retain the Ashes."

    ... and Australia only need to win one game - or draw two. Which team would you rather be?

  • milepost on December 9, 2013, 6:09 GMT

    A great result, this test didn't deserve to be spoiled by weather. I wonder how many changes England will make for Perth. Can England come back into the series? They need to be able to handle our pace at the WACA and I just don't think three days is enough to turn it around. There aren't too many draws at the WACA.

  • on December 9, 2013, 6:08 GMT

    The best series this summer in the southern hemisphere. is not the Ashes but it will be the when the Aussies tour the Proteas in February '14 - that tour will tell us who the best test team in the world is... Kallis vs Johnson , Steyn vs Clarke , Siddle vs Smith , Philander vs Watson.. should be great...

  • InfiniteWhite on December 9, 2013, 6:07 GMT

    A really one-sided contest. Unfortunately for England, Friday in Perth will be 38C and Saturday 37C. For those who never go to Perth, it will feel like the heat on your face when you open your oven to check your baking. England will have 3 enemies: their forms, Johnson and co and the heat. Winning the toss or not, England will melt in the field.

  • austentayshus on December 9, 2013, 6:06 GMT

    The world now feels right .. I reckon we will win in perth .. and eng will will in sydney melbourne will be draw 3-1 to aussies and urn is regained

  • humdrum on December 9, 2013, 5:59 GMT

    @Rufus_Fuddleduck: Why go for a draw when you can win it mate ? If eng can win 2, they can jolly well win 3,you know.Old chap.

  • on December 9, 2013, 5:59 GMT

    Shift from the "School Masterish" Mickey Arthur to Darren Lehman made a dramatic difference to Australia. Is there a lesson to be learnt there, for England?

  • Redbackfan on December 9, 2013, 5:58 GMT

    Great bowling effort has set up a 2-0 lead thus far. Lyon's bowling yesterday was disappointing but some of his deliveries were very good such as the Root dismissal. Hope the short stuff doesn't get overused for the rest of the series, we did have success with the short stuff but some were luck and some were poor shots. Not convinced with the bating line up it still seems fragile at times. Warner, Clark and Haddin have all been good but the rest are lacking consistency. Just want to win in Perth now and get the ashes back cause it's not over till the fat lady sings. Go Aussie

  • humdrum on December 9, 2013, 5:57 GMT

    Desperately missing the theatrics of Swann.He is unlikely to take too many wickets in the series ( 4 wkts for apprx 400 runs so far in the series ) so he should make the most of whatever he gets and give us a real exhibition each and every time.

  • humdrum on December 9, 2013, 5:50 GMT

    Let's get rid of the entire coaching staff and make that icon of English cricket,Sir Iron Bottom,the one man army in charge of the team. Would give him the golden oppurtunity to put into practice his brilliant suggestions ( instead of waffling on television) and lead the team back to glorious heights.

  • landl47 on December 9, 2013, 5:46 GMT

    An easy day for Australia; I had hoped that England would try to at least make the Australians work for a few hours before the inevitable defeat.

    Australia has just looked the hungrier side. The bowlers have been sharper, the fielders more on their toes and the batting has been good enough to take advantage of some lackluster work by England in the field. It's easy to say Mitch Johnson has been the difference, but in the second innings of this test he only took one wicket (albeit the important one of Cook) and even in the first innings Carberry, Pietersen and Root fell to other bowlers, so he only got one of the top 5. The England batsman can play him, as 5 of the top 7 showed in getting 50s in the game, but the intensity level isn't there as it is with Australia.

    The Aussies have played excellent cricket, with everyone chipping in. Given the age of the side, their decline is likely to be quicker and sooner than England's, but for now they are rightly celebrating a job well done.

  • RVC-38 on December 9, 2013, 5:40 GMT

    It is funny how one team can make it look like a road... Australia 12 wickets for 702 runs average per wicket 58.5, England 20 wickets 484 runs average per wicket 24.2.

  • Rufus_Fuddleduck on December 9, 2013, 5:31 GMT

    Hardly anything to say beyond the obvious. Thanks for politely refraining from saying that there's only one team competing right now. And yes ... England only need to win two of Perth, Sydney and Melbourne - and draw the third - in order to retain the Ashes.

  • on December 9, 2013, 5:30 GMT

    Well done Australia. Don't relax your grip on the series.

  • Fan1969 on December 9, 2013, 5:27 GMT

    Happy to see some signs of England fight back. Prior was hitting aggressive strokes, KP did not give it away early and looks set for a big one. Root showed fight in 2nd and Carberry in 1st innings. Bell showed good form. If England can avoid the hook shot even with a slow run rate, they can fight it out.

    Batsmen seem to quickly forget playing pacers. Speedsters Brett Lee and Shoaib retired a few year back but Bell, Cook, KP, Prior have all played them and they regularly play Steyn and company.

  • cccrider on December 9, 2013, 5:22 GMT

    Just drop Lyons. No training wheels at test level.

  • AJS007 on December 9, 2013, 5:20 GMT

    Two awkward moments of the test. Carberry's helmet and Panesar's reaction in every over as if he missed 5 wickets in 4 balls

  • RVC-38 on December 9, 2013, 5:19 GMT

    I knew it was going to be tough going at the Adelaide oval, people where questioning weather the 3 day break may effect performance, will standing in the sun for a couple of days where em out, well I am happy to say me and my mates got through it and we are certainties to be watching the Perth test match.

  • humdrum on December 9, 2013, 5:14 GMT

    Cook,Bell ,Root and KP having one fifty each in four innings is the real story behind England's debacle.A double batting failure on a belter of a wicket reveals weakness in the mind and probably in the dressing room as well.Based on this no-show, a hammering awaits in Perth and the Aussies have it going for them by some distance.The side looks jaded and the body language is depressing to say the least.At the end of the series, there are likely to be many vacancies in the team as well as the back up staff/coaches.And that's the way it should be.The deadwood would take their sorry methods and ideas with them,thankfully.

  • Ronita on December 9, 2013, 5:08 GMT

    England was well within the game on day one and two. Monty Bowled beautifully, unfortunately bad fielding screwed every thing. On papers his bowling looks average now. Too bad. Root and Petersen were good too. Swanny has to work little bit for next test. England needs a fielding coach. Cook should wake up. Bell was good too.

  • 66mph on December 9, 2013, 4:57 GMT

    It's really quite simple, Australia have the desire to win and England don't. Perhaps this series has come around too soon for England and couldn't come quickly enough for Australia, who are clearly pumped up and have been ready to go from the first ball in Brisbane. In times past there has been a gulf between the sides in terms of talent, now that gulf is minimal and so the result depends on a few factors such as desire, a bit of luck, as well as taking chances. So far England have failed in all three categories. Australia have won both tosses which, especially in Adelaide, is a good head start. Australia are fired up. Australia have been taking great catches, England have been dropping easy and/or routine ones.

    Add to this a home crowd (when it turns up - I was at all four days in Brisbane and was amazed at the number of empty seats), home pitch and conditions, England's overwhelming desire to feed deep square leg and you have a recipe for Aussie success. Come on England, wake up!

  • disco_bob on December 9, 2013, 4:57 GMT

    While many, not just Australians will not be unhappy to see England get the comeuppance that has been long overdue, this series so far has been more a celebration of the comeback of Mitchell Johnson whose immensely entertaining seat of your pants bowling at the Gabba, and supreme accuracy and skill on a fast bowler's graveyard in Adelaide, has been a thrill and a delight to witness.

    Having said that, I must also commend the skill of Ian Bell, and the pluck of Joe Root who will surely one day be the captain of England.

    Looks like MJ is on a hat trick MoM and series win at the WACA, where after breaking England's spirit in the first two Tests, he is a serious danger of breaking some fingers.

  • CricketLifer on December 9, 2013, 4:42 GMT

    Looked like England's strategy was not to get out to Johnson to show that he did not take wickets so they gave their wickets in a hurry to other bowlers. Johnson has definitely gotten into their heads as Mr. Chappell has noted!

  • sm007h on December 9, 2013, 4:26 GMT

    England appeared to be in a hurry this morning - must be something yummy for lunch!

  • amuthu on December 9, 2013, 4:19 GMT

    An emphatic victory for Australia. Well deserved as well. Tough for England to come back in the series after this humiliation.

  • postandrail on December 9, 2013, 4:05 GMT

    To put it in it's proper context Australia actually won by eight wickets and 218 runs as they declared twice.

  • pantherapardus on December 9, 2013, 4:02 GMT

    Looks like England will come back strongly in Perth.. People who don't agree will just witness during the test only.. because the two most attacking batsmen scored half centuries in this innings and it looks like they are finding their feet.. beware!

  • lillee4PM on December 9, 2013, 4:01 GMT

    When the carcass and entrails of the English touring party is dropped off in Perth, the vultures will be swirling above the WACA waiting to pick up the remaining morsels. The funeral will then be held at the MCG and the wake in Sydney!

  • BradmanBestEver on December 9, 2013, 3:59 GMT

    Well done Australia - a second comprehensive victory. Clearly the better side.

    Good to see Harris and Siddle take wickets to show we do not rely always on MJ.

  • on December 9, 2013, 3:53 GMT

    I hope Broad gets stuck into the Aussie batsmen for the 3rd test, namely Mr M Johnson.

  • wouldlovetoplayagain on December 9, 2013, 3:49 GMT

    Can someone please tell the Barmy Army to keep going strong with their Mitch Johnson song. It is firing him up incredibly, and if they can keep singing it in Perth he could get a surely unprecedented hat-trick of Player of the Match awards, and win the Ashes on his home ground at the WACA. So thank you Barmy Army, after a frustrating winter series you are making my summer!

  • Cantbowlcantbat on December 9, 2013, 3:49 GMT

    There's been a lot of comment about whether England are as bad as they appear and whether Oz have truly improved. Its incredible that Oz have turned around a 0-3 Ashes loss to a 2-0 lead in a few months, but look at other past results: a hard fought losing performance against SA at home, an away loss to India 0-4 following a home win 4-0 shortly before. My view is that these weird results are typical of 3rd and 5th ranked teams. This is not a series between 2 highly ranked teams. Home conditions can have a huge effect and a sudden form reversal of a key player (MJ) can turn the tables quickly. The real test for Oz will be against SA in SA, although Oz have a very good record in SA- they haven't lost a series in SA since 1970.

  • AussiePhoenix on December 9, 2013, 3:47 GMT

    Obviously we want to see England bounce back to keep the series interesting. Seriously, how will they do that? To get walloped twice by an Australian team England have openly ridiculed for some time, means what they've been doing as a team isn't working. To change attitude, approach, refine skills and repair mental scars mid series is not easy. And if getting back on top of Johnson is the only strategy, think again. Harris and Siddle took most of the wickets in the second innings on a flat Adelaide batting paradise. What will they do for the rest of the series on pitches where batting is actually challenging?

  • xtrafalgarx on December 9, 2013, 3:46 GMT

    England are shot, it's really hard to see them coming back from this. They will fight back at some point or another you would expect, but hopefully it's after the third test when the series is gone.

  • on December 9, 2013, 3:40 GMT

    A real thrashing by the Aussies is what this was.The barmy army have to come back now before its too late.their urn is quickly slipping away from them.what an outstanding performance by Mitch.his 1st innings tremendous effort completely blew away England.Although you do have to know it was some horrendous dismissals that i have ever seen.i guess if they don't learn this lesson now, they never will.STOP hooking and IMPROVE your fielding.that was i believe one of the major difference between the 2 sided.many congrats to the Aussies and hopefully they can wrap it up at the WACA and regain the urn.GO AUSSIES AND MITCH AND THE MO! LOL

  • on December 9, 2013, 3:37 GMT

    That is a remarkable victory for australia. Plenty to ponder for england. Cook needs to stand up and set an example as a leader. Good luck for both the teams...

  • on December 9, 2013, 3:37 GMT

    Clarke declaration was very useful & good.

  • on December 9, 2013, 3:34 GMT

    Moustache is seeming to do the trick for everyone out there!! First it was Sir Jadeja then Shikhar Dhawan then Warner and now finally Johnson!! "Mustachio of Magnifcence" Alastair Cook could try of the French beards and see what it brings him!!

  • Sadhanand on December 9, 2013, 3:33 GMT

    Well done Australia!!! 2 down 3 more to go....All the best for the WACA test.

  • on December 9, 2013, 3:22 GMT

    Normal Ashes results have resumed.

  • couchpundit on December 9, 2013, 3:20 GMT

    TERRIFIC work by McDermott!!!!

  • on December 9, 2013, 3:17 GMT

    Time for the Barmy Army to dig deep to raise enough charity money to get Mitch to shave off his mo before the WACA? Looks like England's best chance.. :)

  • Ozwarrior on December 9, 2013, 3:16 GMT

    Well done Australia. You actually deserved these victories much earlier, in the summer Ashes back in Pomland. Broad not walking, several blatantly iffy decisions by the umpires and rain turned a definite 2-1 Aussie win into a 3-0 Pom scoreline which flattered to deceive.

    The overrated and overhyped Poms have been found out sans umpiring protection,and cockahoop they were on account of some dubious decisions. No longer now as reality bites into that arrogance.Now let the slaughter games begin!

  • on December 9, 2013, 3:14 GMT

    A great win in tough conditions! That Pitch was as dead as a dodo and every other surface which will be played on in the Ashes will give the bowlers more pace, bounce and sideways movement and for the WACA that is an understatement in the EXTREME! In saying this; Australia need to be careful as our batting lineup is still very fragile and for that reason an upset could be on the cards if they are not careful. Here's hoping that Chris Roger's will enjoy facing many more balls which he can leave on length and that Watson and Steve Smith can resist the urge to fend at short deliveries outside off stump.

  • on December 9, 2013, 3:05 GMT

    no need to play ashes because we know that eng and aus both will play good in front of there home crowd.

  • on December 9, 2013, 2:57 GMT

    Congrats to Cricket Australia, fantastic performance and well done Australian players. Keep it up.

  • LeftArmOverTheWicket on December 9, 2013, 2:53 GMT

    I see the result as innings and 86 run. ICC should change the rule in how some of the result be read :). It's pay back time England (or World XI if you consider the number of imports). Nightmare awaits till Friday only to be changed to agony...

  • Star_gazer on December 9, 2013, 2:53 GMT

    It was bound to happen. Nothing last for ever. This is a weak England team anyone can see that. I do believe Aussies sledging must get at least 30% credit for wining here. It has left a bitter taste. Would have been class otherwise. Well played both teams.

  • on December 9, 2013, 2:49 GMT

    Cumon England, cumon KP, show us wat u r made of....atleast show sum fight... :(

  • zn264 on December 9, 2013, 2:49 GMT

    Well done Aussie...but c'mon England pull your head in! For all of us neutrals who want an exciting series over 5 games, you have to win the next one! Otherwise I'm left to watch my team do everything they can to draw against the Windies AGAIN.

  • on December 9, 2013, 2:40 GMT

    I will not surprise if Aussie win by an inn at WACA....

  • on December 9, 2013, 2:36 GMT

    Congratulations to resolute Australia; commiserations to confused England. England needs to look afresh at the 3 Tests left in the series as a separate series and try to win 3-0 or atleast 2-0. Not easy but if they reboot their tactics and mindset it is still doable. After all they needed to win 3 Tests to retain the Ashes. They can draw inspiration from their last visit Down Under and thats a beginning. So to keep the interest alive I am switching loyalties and will root for an England win at Perth!

  • HatsforBats on December 9, 2013, 2:35 GMT

    A well deserved win for Australia, and some well deserved wickets for Siddle & Harris. Aus will be pleased for a short session and their bowling attack will relish getting to the WACA with some pace & bounce. We might even see Bollinger (or someone) replace Lyon, we'll see.

    A strange mornings play to be honest, England still with 4 wickets in hand fold in an hour? Broad is good enough to make test centuries and pitches don't get much better than that, to play with intent doesn't have to mean playing aggressively.

    But England can take a lot of positives from this match. Prior had his groove on (that pull in front of square sounded majestic), and KP, Carberry, Root & Stokes all dug in under pressure. Yes it was a beautiful batting wicket, but they showed some spine and even though they look dejected I get the feeling this game will be a turning point for them. I think Anderson & Broad will be stinging abot being so outbowled so I'm expecting to see the real England turn up in Perth.

  • on December 9, 2013, 2:34 GMT

    Total devastation. Let's have more of it.

  • ShutTheGate on December 9, 2013, 2:34 GMT

    Where are all those punters posting on this board a month ago saying that England were going to win this series 5-0 and that this was one of the all time great English teams? Lungey you've been quiet lately!!

    Another great victory from the Aussies and they have now only lost one of their last five tests. Saying that the Aussies are far from world beaters. Rogers life is limited, Smith and Bailey are still finding their feet at test level and Watson is no where the number 3 we need to become world number one - compared to Ponting and Boon for example.

    After this series I think it's time to get a young top order batsmen in the team and prepare for when our 30 year something players retire in a few years.

  • BrisVegan on December 9, 2013, 2:33 GMT

    Roll on Johnson's Ashes! Sure he hadn't taken a wicket in almost a full day at the end of England's second innings, but I feel it was his first innings heroics that allowed Harris and Siddle to pick up the remaining wickets as desperate batsmen thought they could chance their shots without fearing for the lives / limbs. Unfortunately for them, Harris and Siddle both bowl beautifully disciplined lines and lengths and were always a chance to clean up the tail without breaking a sweat.

    The damage had already been done and M.J. swaggers away with another deserved Man of the Match performance.

    Some positive signs for England in the batting department, but too little too late, I'm afraid. They'd do well to avoid another big loss at the WACA but either way, England will not win the Ashes, even retaining them will take some doing if M.J. can conjure another lethal spell in any of the remaining tests. Credit to the whole Aussie team though, excellent team work and captaincy by Clarke.

  • on December 9, 2013, 2:30 GMT

    When in ascendency be humble and strive to make yourself better otherwise downfall is usually just around the corner.

  • pat_one_back on December 9, 2013, 2:29 GMT

    Token runs for Prior as the soft underbelly of this highly overrated Eng team are finally laid bare for all to see. Aust have had their troubles in recent years of rebuilding, a cyclical process thrown into chaos by poor selection and a poor fit of coach in Arthur. this had bred what must now be recognised a flawed sense of greatness

  • LoungeChairCritic on December 9, 2013, 2:28 GMT

    After watching the Adelaide test match, I can't wait to see the poms at the WACA. In saying that I do think the pitch will suit them as well. Anderson, Broad & perhaps Finn/Rankin can do as much damage on the wicket as our attack. Watching Steyn, Morkel and Philander run through us last year at the WACA is still etched in my memory. I think England would be mad to play Swann over Monty on the WACA. Robin Peterson bowling left arm spin from the Prindiville end took some key wickets last year. When you consider how many right handers we have in our middle order, picking Monty over a Swann makes sense. With Cam Sutherland (curator) being retrenched at the start of the summer, it will be interesting what the new curator delivers. One thing is for sure with Perth missing out on a test next year for the India series, the WACA would want the test to go 5 days. The balance sheet is always better in a Ashes year.

  • on December 9, 2013, 2:23 GMT

    Johnson now the fastest bowler in Australia and probably in the world, the English players are afraid of him, the other bowlers will benefit, as siddle and Harris did today

  • page8383 on December 9, 2013, 2:23 GMT

    You little ripper!! Finish the job boys and bring the urn back home!!

    I love cricket!

  • on December 9, 2013, 2:19 GMT

    It could be a five nil ashes loss. Australia captain Michael Clarke now have the right formula and he will help the aussies return to the top.

  • Mary_786 on December 9, 2013, 2:19 GMT

    And a special mention to boof who has changed the entire culture of the team, we are enjoying our cricket once again.

  • Mary_786 on December 9, 2013, 2:18 GMT

    Fantastic effort boys, Johnson is perhaps the best bowler in the world after Steyn now

  • on December 9, 2013, 2:16 GMT

    You'd have to rate the English as almost no hope at Perth. How will they contend with the Aussie quicks there? If the team decides they need to rest/rotate a quick I suppose to would be Ryan Harris. I'd like to see Phil Hughes or Usman Khawaja in for Steve Smith. Pat Cummins or James Pattinson in for Nathan Lyon. Both if Harris needs to rest.

  • on December 9, 2013, 2:16 GMT

    Ashes to ashes, dust to dust; if MICH doesn't get you, SIDDLE or HARRIS must.Gr8 win by Aussies.

  • OneEyedAussie on December 9, 2013, 2:12 GMT

    Congratulations to Australia for extracting a victory from what was really a pretty lifeless surface. Cook was right to criticise his team for dropping catches early in the game - but wrong to insist that was the difference between the two teams. England have been comprehensively outplayed in the first two games and Perth is not a happy place for them. It will be interesting to see what Cook does in Perth if he wins the toss - probably not a bad one to lose for Clarke. I am mildly concerned about Harris' fitness, hopefully he will pull up ok and be ready for the WACA.

  • dinosaurus on December 9, 2013, 2:12 GMT

    I think it is getting close to the point where the English team may need to add an item to their carefully chosen dietary plan - a solid serving of humble pie.

  • ELECTRIC_LOCO_WAP4. on December 9, 2013, 2:10 GMT

    Everybody is a king on their home body plays well away from home PERIOD

  • brisCricFan on December 9, 2013, 2:08 GMT

    As an Aus supporter, can only say disappointed with the lack of fight and application today - but fairs fair, these are the bowlers and it isn't their job to be saving matches, damage was done Day 3, and to a lesser extent late Day 4 after the loss of KP.

    WACA is not going to be a picnic and we know how MJ has performed here in recent history. Australia should go in unchanged in 4 days time... Eng have a few questions.

    @David Hopps; seems to indicate this one innings from Prior might keep the wolves at bay but really is this enough? He is so badly out of touch that this one innings could just as easily be the blip on an otherwise poor series... Eng can't afford the risk of further failures. I watched him in Brisbane and even his keeping wasn't up to his standard. Its obviously effecting him. Bairstow is batting better and they must win if not at least not lose in Perth. Time to pull the trigger??

  • anupkeni on December 9, 2013, 1:58 GMT

    It looks like Australia will win the Ashes at Perth.

  • on December 9, 2013, 1:55 GMT

    Great start, finish them off 3-0!

  • jmcilhinney on December 9, 2013, 1:53 GMT

    One of the major points of interest for Perth will be the composition of England's bowling attack. Monty will obviously not play but I'd expect them to retain Swann. Will they play Bresnan for some reliability and batting or will they risk one of the tall timber and try to exploit the extra bounce. I wonder whether it might be worth gambling with Finn. If it doesn't come off then they will almost certainly be 3-0 down but if he gets it together then he could take a swag of wickets. Maybe they'll take an each-way bet and go for Rankin or Tremlett. Also, has Stokes done enough to retain his spot at #6? Ballance and Bairstow are probably both better batsmen but the extra bowling option is definitely a big plus, especially with Anderson and Broad both being pretty much unreplaceable on this tour.

  • dunger.bob on December 9, 2013, 1:53 GMT

    Woohoo!! 2 Nil. .. Damn near got 'em now boys. No time to rest on your laurels though, keep driving it in to them and make it 3-0.

    MJ's spell of 5 for 9 or whatever it was in the their first innings was the catalyst for this victory. Ripping them out so quickly gave us the time for that very short 2nd dig before having at them again with the ball. If he hadn't done that I doubt there would have been enough time to force a win. Also they might have ended up with 350-400 themselves which would have meant a much longer 2nd innings for us. Again, chewing into time and I've no doubt it would have left us short.

    @ England fans: Has Matty Prior done enough to keep the critics happy or do you think he'll still be under pressure to keep his spot? .. He looked much better today than almost any time in either leg of the double header so far imo.

    @ Aussie fans: Will Lyon play in Perth? My feeling is no. Give Faulkner a run.

  • on December 9, 2013, 1:50 GMT

    I still believe ENG will make it 3-2 and batting first seems to be the confidence boost ENG needs. AUS is still dependent on a fair share of runs from Haddin and ENG should take it as positive. Both games ENG have been in control initially. It's a matter of time than a " big rise" in Australians capability. Credit due to MJ fir his pace!

  • jmcilhinney on December 9, 2013, 1:50 GMT

    I think that the encouraging thing for England is that they made as many in their second innings as Australia likely would in their first if England had held their catches. That suggests that, if England continue to turn up with the bat and can hold their catches, they are still in with a chance. The discouraging thing is that they've only made on decent score in four innings and their catching has been inconsistent for a while. This is not the first time that dropped catches have potentially cost them dearly. With Perth coming up, they will have to be up for the fight.

  • Cpt.Meanster on December 9, 2013, 1:48 GMT

    Well done Aussies. England have NO chance now. 3-0 at Perth for sure and then the Ashes will be back where they belong. Who cares if England win the dead rubbers or not. They will be hammered at the WACA by Johnson and co. An average team finally showing their true colours. England's wins have mainly come on the back of the opposition's short comings rather than their own talent and skill. They had been quite lucky for some time now. Australia are back to playing like they always have and exposed England from head to toe. Yep, sure is end of an era haha.

  • siddhartha87 on December 9, 2013, 1:47 GMT

    Congrats to Aussies. They fought hard in England (apart from Lords) but still they lost 0-3. Really good to see them 2-0 up.

  • Shaggy076 on December 9, 2013, 1:44 GMT

    I think England supporters should be absolutely appalled with what happened here on the fifth day. The sky still very cloudy, don't think it was going to rain but it is a real possibility. On top of that the next test is 3 -days away and prior to today, Australia had only bowled 158 overs the same as Englands first innings, imagine what they could have got out of making Australia toil for a couple of sessions for there wickets. There would have been more strain on Harris and Johnson going into a test on a bouncy wicket. But after capitulating to a raft of poor aggressive shots the Australian bowlers should be fresh enough to exploit the bouncy Perth wicket. England tried to fight yesterday, but today they showed no fight at all.

  • jb633 on December 9, 2013, 1:41 GMT

    Congrats to Australia they have deserved to smash us both tests and they have done just that. This will be 5-0 I simply have seen nothing to offer me any hope whatsoever that we can change it around. I predict a dreadful 2014 with India getting revenge in our own back yard. We have peaked and now will trough. This was a woeful effort from all involved.

  • Biggus on December 9, 2013, 1:41 GMT

    Happy for our guys but what's with England? I knew we were going to have a chance after some promising signs over there but this is almost surreal.

  • on December 9, 2013, 1:40 GMT

    aussie resurrection. it wpuld be australia`s ashes this time.england have been blown away by johnson.

  • Basamba on December 9, 2013, 1:40 GMT

    Well played Australia. England should try Rankin ahead of Monty Panesar and Gary balance ahead of Stokes maybe.

  • Vishnu27 on December 9, 2013, 1:39 GMT

    2-0! Can't wait to there Friday. Sunday should see our early Christmas present.

  • lebigfella on December 9, 2013, 1:36 GMT

    Well played Australia... you out played, out fought, out thought and out muscled England. We were weak and timid. It really is a huge concern that we are literally on the back foot in all departments... Cook, KP, Swann & Anderson have not really turned up... we've got a lot of soul searching between now and Friday...

  • Chris_P on December 9, 2013, 1:31 GMT

    Attention Ian Botham. Your scheduled surgery to remove your feet out of your mouth is set for the 4th day of the Perth Test.

  • Chris_P on December 9, 2013, 1:30 GMT

    Great effort by the Aussies. That's how to close out a game, something they haven't been doing well for a while. There was some good efforts by some of the English, but this pitch was still a belter so 312 on a good track still offers up some questions. It was good to see the other 2 pace bowlers step up. Still plenty to do though.

  • write2gajanan on December 9, 2013, 1:28 GMT

    Aussie Aussie Aussie, Go Aussies Go! #RegainTheUrn

  • write2gajanan on December 9, 2013, 1:28 GMT

    Aussie Aussie Aussie, Go Aussies Go! #RegainTheUrn

  • Chris_P on December 9, 2013, 1:30 GMT

    Great effort by the Aussies. That's how to close out a game, something they haven't been doing well for a while. There was some good efforts by some of the English, but this pitch was still a belter so 312 on a good track still offers up some questions. It was good to see the other 2 pace bowlers step up. Still plenty to do though.

  • Chris_P on December 9, 2013, 1:31 GMT

    Attention Ian Botham. Your scheduled surgery to remove your feet out of your mouth is set for the 4th day of the Perth Test.

  • lebigfella on December 9, 2013, 1:36 GMT

    Well played Australia... you out played, out fought, out thought and out muscled England. We were weak and timid. It really is a huge concern that we are literally on the back foot in all departments... Cook, KP, Swann & Anderson have not really turned up... we've got a lot of soul searching between now and Friday...

  • Vishnu27 on December 9, 2013, 1:39 GMT

    2-0! Can't wait to there Friday. Sunday should see our early Christmas present.

  • Basamba on December 9, 2013, 1:40 GMT

    Well played Australia. England should try Rankin ahead of Monty Panesar and Gary balance ahead of Stokes maybe.

  • on December 9, 2013, 1:40 GMT

    aussie resurrection. it wpuld be australia`s ashes this time.england have been blown away by johnson.

  • Biggus on December 9, 2013, 1:41 GMT

    Happy for our guys but what's with England? I knew we were going to have a chance after some promising signs over there but this is almost surreal.

  • jb633 on December 9, 2013, 1:41 GMT

    Congrats to Australia they have deserved to smash us both tests and they have done just that. This will be 5-0 I simply have seen nothing to offer me any hope whatsoever that we can change it around. I predict a dreadful 2014 with India getting revenge in our own back yard. We have peaked and now will trough. This was a woeful effort from all involved.

  • Shaggy076 on December 9, 2013, 1:44 GMT

    I think England supporters should be absolutely appalled with what happened here on the fifth day. The sky still very cloudy, don't think it was going to rain but it is a real possibility. On top of that the next test is 3 -days away and prior to today, Australia had only bowled 158 overs the same as Englands first innings, imagine what they could have got out of making Australia toil for a couple of sessions for there wickets. There would have been more strain on Harris and Johnson going into a test on a bouncy wicket. But after capitulating to a raft of poor aggressive shots the Australian bowlers should be fresh enough to exploit the bouncy Perth wicket. England tried to fight yesterday, but today they showed no fight at all.