England v Australia, 5th NatWest ODI, Ageas Bowl

Watson leads Australia to winning finish

The Report by Andrew McGlashan at the Ageas Bowl

September 16, 2013

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Australia 298 (Watson 143, Clarke 75, Stokes 5-61) beat England 249 (Bopara 62, Faulkner 3-38) by 49 runs
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

Shane Watson's 143 included 12 fours and six sixes, England v Australia, 5th Natwest ODI, Ageas Bowl, September 14, 2013
Shane Watson led Australia's innings with an 87-ball century © PA Photos

As in the Ashes, Shane Watson saved his best until last to enable Australia to end their almost four-month stay in England with silverware as they wrapped up the NatWest series with a convincing 49-run victory. Watson's 143 provided nearly half of Australia's total and his stand of 163 with Michael Clarke, who battled through with his troublesome back, was the defining period of the match and series.

England's chase only ignited when Ravi Bopara and Jos Buttler were adding 92 in 13 overs; perhaps it was the autumnal chill which descended and left spectators huddle up in jacks that prevented an early spark. But by then it was a monumental task, even for Buttler's nerves of steel. Kevin Pietersen was run out in the third over and any remnants of a chance, however slim, disappeared when Eoin Morgan departed straight after the halfway mark of the innings.

Australia were clearly the better team over the three-and-a-bit ODIs that the weather allowed and this trophy, although low down in the priority list when they arrived in late May, will be some solace for Darren Lehmann - who wasn't even in charge when the Champions Trophy squad landed at Heathrow. Australia really have been here that long.

That is not to say there are no benefits England can take, and in this match it was the bowling of Ben Stokes and debutant Chris Jordan - who replaced the injured Steven Finn - as they shared eight wickets. Stokes finished with 5 for 61 having struck early in the innings and then during Australia's collapse of 7 for 87. Both young pace bowlers were sharp, hitting 90mph, and held their nerve against flashing blades.

As in Cardiff, Australia struggled at the top and tail of their innings but this time the central plank provided by Watson and Clarke was so dominant it made a crucial difference. It appeared a rain break in the 10th over might derail their innings when, on resumption, Stokes struck twice in consecutive balls to leave Australia 48 for 3. But England's inexperienced attack could not keep up the pressure as Clarke and Watson feasted on some wayward bowling during their rapid partnership.

Watson reached his eighth one-day hundred from 87 balls in a muscular display of hitting and then latched on to Joe Root's sixth over, which cost 28, the most expensive by an England bowler in ODIs, including three massive leg-side sixes. He was threatening his best score against England - an unbeaten 161 at the MCG in 2011 - but edged behind to give Stokes his fourth wicket.

Stokes claimed his fifth two balls later when Mitchell Johnson lobbed back a return catch and along with Jordan and Boyd Rankin, the latter superbly economical on another good batting pitch, provided a positive glimpse at some of England's depth. Jordan had managed to open his wicket tally in his second over - after being driven twice by Aaron Finch in his first - when he beat Phillip Hughes for pace and the left-hander top-edged to midwicket.

Jordan returned in the batting Powerplay, taken early by Clarke in the 29th over, with Australia at the peak of their scoring rate and removed the Australia captain when he clubbed to mid-off for 74 five balls after Rankin had dropped him in the same position. Clarke had not been convincing at the start of his innings, as England tested out his back with the expected short-pitched attack, but was given early scoring opportunities to get his innings underway and was rarely under a run-a-ball. His straight drive for six off Stokes stood out.

The problem for England was that the combined 10 overs of spin from Root and James Tredwell went for 96; Watson immediately aimed Tredwell over midwicket in a four-over spell that proved his only one of the day. If other sides have been taking notes, Tredwell will need to "batten down the hatches", as he put it the other day, in future series.

Overs 21-30 of Australia's brought 93 runs - a scoring rate considered impressive for the final 10 of an innings - and at 202 for 3 after 30 overs anything seemed possible, but a combination of some laziness from them and resilience from England gave the final 20 overs a very different outcome, to the extent that Australia did not use up their final five deliveries.

Australia rued their late collapse in Cardiff, but it never had the feel of a repeat here. The Pietersen-Michael Carberry opening partnership has not hit it off in this series and for the second time it ended through a breakdown in communication. Pietersen was beaten but Matthew Wade could not take the ball cleanly and it bobbled to short fine-leg. Carberry started to make his way up the pitch, but only made a positive call a few seconds later, by when there was not enough time for Pietersen to make his ground.

Carberry's hometown innings - and perhaps, even, his last for England - was ended by the DRS after Rob Bailey had turned down an appeal from James Faulkner. Joe Root, who laboured for his 21, dragged on against the quick and thrifty Johnson when playing without footwork and most shambolically Luke Wright - a last-minute replacement for Jonathan Trott, who suffered a back spasm - was run out when he did not even attempt to ground his bat going for a sharp single.

Adam Voges gained an lbw decision against Bopara with his first ball, only for DRS to show it was sliding past leg stump, but he claimed the key wicket of Morgan when the England captain was drawn out of his crease and Wade did not add to his list of errors.

For a while, as Buttler and Bopara started picking off boundaries at will, a grandstand finish was not out of the question until Faulkner, from round the wicket, cleaned up Buttler. Seven balls later Bopara rifled a catch to cover off Johnson's first ball back to give him his 200th ODI wicket. That was that, barring the finishing touches, but for anyone who is feeling misty-eyed at the end of England-Australia contests, don't worry: it all starts again in 66 days.

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Posted by ScottStevo on (September 20, 2013, 8:52 GMT)

you like, as I agree, we were never going to win that test. In the 3rd, we completely dominated the test match and had you pinned against the ropes and reeling when the weather saved you! But we didn't compete? Or are you only mentioning the tests that back up your obscure comparison? In the 4th test we rolled you again for 238 and Eng did v well to claw it back as anything other than losing our last 5-6 wickets for 70 runs would've won us that match. Even then you were 3-50, effectively 3-10 in your second! And again, us chasing 299 at 100-0, tell me you weren't thinking that test was in trouble. Again, a special collapse that only Aus can produce aided by Broad's magic spell, costing us dearly. Think you'll find the 2 series we're comparing here are markedly different in terms of competition! The record book shows what it does as Aus were unable to capitalise from positions of strength. This was not the case in the Eng v SA series...

Posted by JG2704 on (September 19, 2013, 19:54 GMT)

@ScottStevo on (September 19, 2013, 13:30 GMT) Have I once said SA were struggling in the series? All I've been saying is that bar the 1st test where we were annihilated we were competitive with SA. Surely taking 1st inns leads (albeit marginally) suggests this. Even if we were marginally behind on 1st inns it would suggest we were competitive - no? I could say exactly the same about England/Australia (which the original poster said about SA/Eng) and say Aus were never going to win the 1st,2nd or 4th test and the record book shows 3-0 but somehow , judging by your previous comms on the series the record book doesn't sit so well on this series?

PS SA were 163-6 in their 1st inns - I'd say Eng were on top at that particular stage or would it only work if SA had Eng 163-6?

Posted by ScottStevo on (September 19, 2013, 13:30 GMT)

@JG2704, marginal 1st innings leads and SA struggling at times (hardly) - clutching at straws a little here! Personally, I don't recall at one stage during the business end of any of the test matches thinking, England are in commanding position here; or even, England are a good chance. It was as straight forward an away series win vs the next best team as you're likely to see! Not entirely sure why we're arguing over a series that's long gone, or why we're bothering comparing the two completely different series played against SA...Perceive it however you wish, the record book does enough for me.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 19, 2013, 11:24 GMT)

@ScottStevo -notice you skipped over the parts where I stated that Eng were marginally ahead on both 1st inns and that SA were also struggling at times. The point is re the drawn test - with 115 required and 6 wickets remaining - unless there was a huge collapse SA weren't smashing us and 51 runs isn't a smashing either. Re stereotyping Eng fans - singing when they're winning - personally I don't sing when we're winning and I try not to whinge about anything other than selection issues/poor tactics etc when Eng lose.Regulars will prob agree that I am one of Eng's biggest self critics Obviously I can't speak for others. As for Aus fans (as a whole) - I disagree with Milehouse79. There are genuine Aus fans who always give credit where it's due and give self criticism where it is deserved also.Guys like Meety,ZenB,ChrisP,Praspunter etc etc and then there are others who have to blame everything bar on field performances for defeats and keep going on about yesteryears domination

Posted by ScottStevo on (September 19, 2013, 8:49 GMT)

@Milhouse79, as is the steroetype of the English - sing when you're winning! By far and away the worst winners - ever wondered why it is that nobody wants England to win in any sports? Does the phrase 'Ashes Hero' ring a bell, mate? Or legends of '66? Also, I didn't bring up that argument, just clearing it up for some who seem to have very distorted recollections of what was a hugely one-sided series. @JG2704, hilarious! Swann and Prior scroing freely basically means having a swipe and getting away with it as Swann in particular is only good for around that much with the bat. But, it's nice to see how 'balanced' your version of events go, fella! You were 6-140 odd chasing 340! Fair enough, you had a go, but seriously, from that point, there was only ever one likely winner - and they won! In the draw, England were never in with a chance to win - and it was more likely that you'd get bowled out trying to score that many in such little time than scoring them...

Posted by xtrafalgarx on (September 19, 2013, 3:15 GMT)

@Mitty2, The whole "Bell's coming of age" thing is very amusing. I would understand it if he had played 20-30 tests, but for a 31 year old man who is a veteran of nearly 100 tests, it's ridiculous. He has played more tests than many a' great player yet people think he has just COME OF AGE! Jees, you wonder well, how did he play that many tests in the first place if this is his coming of age....

Posted by Redbackfan on (September 19, 2013, 1:10 GMT)

Well done Watto fantastic short form player but not a test player. Wade can't keep, Lyon should have at least 10 more wickets but Wade can't keep. People are harsh on Voges and hughes. Voges had a poor series but is a good player with good stas and Hughes 2 tests nearly helped us win the first test with 80 odd not out and then gets 1 ODI and people bag him. It must be hard to perform when you get a few games here and a few games there. I hope they don't pick Johnson for the ashes cause he like Watson is great at short form cricket but inconsistent at test.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 18, 2013, 19:48 GMT)

@ScottStevo - Ah , one of the brigade .51 runs is not a smashing. The match which you claim Eng were never in was one where they had SA 163-6 in the 1st inns where they eventually scored 309. The match which in the 2nd inns they had SA 282-7 where they eventually scored 351 and where Swann and Prior were scoring freely before the partnership was broken by a run out with Eng 63 behind with 3 wickets in hand. In the drawn match - again Eng had a 1st inns lead and I make it were 112 (having had to chase at a faster rate than usual) behind with 6 wickets remaining. I certainly wouldn't say England would have won but I wouldn't say SA were nailed on to win from there either. But your balanced post is appreciated as always

Posted by JG2704 on (September 18, 2013, 19:47 GMT)

@ Mitty2 on (September 18, 2013, 11:02 GMT) Sterotyping and singling out are the exact opposites of each other. GG is spot on with what he says. My point re Bell is that he was in top form and sometimes when a batsman is in top form they are hard to deal with , no matter how well your plans are executed. Yes Aus bowlers did a great job but do you reckon Cook was in the same form that he was in during the Indian tour?

Posted by Jaffa79 on (September 18, 2013, 17:08 GMT)

@ ScottStevo and the rest. You guys amaze me! Constantly whinging about umpires, DRS and everything else! I thought that 'S.A beat you worse than they beat us' argument was dead coming off a 3-0 loss but hey! You have to cling on to something don't you? I suppose you guys are going to dredge up the Indian pitches for the 400th time as well. Well played to Aus for winning this ODI series by the way, it was quite an achievement at the end of an arduous tour but your supporters are easily the worst in the world. One eyed, delusional, whining and incapable of accepting defeat. The stereotype is true: worst winners and worst losers in the world...

Posted by ScottStevo on (September 18, 2013, 12:46 GMT)

@JG2704, You've got a bizarre recollection of events in that Eng v SA series! They lost by 51 runs, but were never in contention and SA cruised in what was an easy win. Also, in the draw, there was only ever one side looking likely of winning that match - and it wasn't Eng, mate! In Aus it was a role reversal where in 2/3 tests Aus were the only likely winners and SA did exceptionally well to salvage draws - having no threatening spinner on day 5 decks was our real undoing. Also, I think we bowled reasonably well at Bell, and of all the English batsmen, he benefitted most from some contentious decisions. But fair play to him, he took those chances and put up big scores and batted well throughout regardless of how we bowled at him.

Posted by   on (September 18, 2013, 12:45 GMT)

Where is @Optic the great Luke Wright supporter? In this game we discovered that he can't even run between the wickets. I got lambasted before this series for pointing out his consistent failures for England. Wright will never succeed.

Forgot to say well played to Australia, who totally outclassed England in this series. I don't think it'll have much impact on the Ashes as I think both teams have pretty much decided on their chosen side now, but a win is a win.

Posted by   on (September 18, 2013, 12:42 GMT)

@Mitty2; To be honest I'm not too sure Wright is any good at T20 either. His average in that format is only just in the twenties and his record is inflated by a few good innings against the Dutch (the Dutch!), Afghanistan (woo hoo!), and New Zealand. Otherwise, he's very good at getting single-figure scores and playing and missing at 5 balls in a row. He scuffs a lot of balls along the ground as he has no timing.

Regarding Fawad Ahmed, I think he's all right but I too rate Nathan Lyon higher. Why he was discarded for the first few Ashes Tests in favour of Agar I don't know.

Ahmed could be very good in future but when I watched his bowling I felt he put a little too much overspin on the ball instead of lateral spin. Watching Shane Warne you always felt the ball would rip off the surface a lot as the seam rotated pretty much 90 degrees to the pitch most of the time. Ahmed's seam looks a bit more diagonal, so it spun a bit but isn't going to go through the gate that often.

Posted by TheBigBoodha on (September 18, 2013, 11:57 GMT)

@greatest game, was my post really that bad? I mentioned there was good and bad in the Aus batting. I wasn't trashing Bailey or the team. I just thought he created what he feared, and given what a tremendous finisher he is, I couldn't understand why he was so defensive. I think whinging is not the right word for what I wrote.

Posted by Mitty2 on (September 18, 2013, 11:02 GMT)

@JG2704, one good way to entirely disprove my point would be say that we underestimated him - which is false. Another is to say that his technique is so supreme that no plans will help. For Bell (outside perspective) I think his failures have always been mental, and I think that prior to the Ashes he'd put in a lot of gritty, crucial innings (one in NZ, one in Nagpur and the other just escapes my memory) so this mental aspect to his game was effectively gone beforehand. He came in confident, and because of his very, very good technique, he prevailed - no getting out sillily when set. This is not the same with the rest, as the aforementioned all have technical flaws that can be exploited (despite respective confidence.)

And yes I realised regarding GG specifying, but I think it's unfair to stereotype and single out when every one does it. Regarding the Eng v SA series, there may be similarities to this series with the case of Lord's; but I don't think Eng were ever in the contest.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 18, 2013, 8:56 GMT)

@ Jared Hansenon (September 18, 2013, 3:54 GMT) Agreed but by the same token we have had plenty of Aus fans who have said that Eng only won the test series because of DRS,Broad not walking , luck etc etc. Obviously there could be a shutout but you never know what will happen. Bell was potentially our liability batsmen pre series and he turned out to be our saviour. Could go the other way and Bell may lose his touch and Cook,Trott etc find theirs.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 18, 2013, 8:55 GMT)

@ Mitty2 - there are several others on here falling into the regular whingers category. GG is specific by naming 2 who have been booing all summer and then have nothing to back up others responses with when they're found out. Also Eng got smashed by SA in one test , lost another by 51 runs (which I wouldn't exactly call smashed) and drew the other game which could have gone either way. Granted Aus were on top in the other 2 tests but themselves got smashed in the final test. And yes you have to give Clarke and Aus bowlers credit for what they did but they did not manage to do the same with Bell so is it not also a fair shout that Cook,Trott etc underperformed combined with Aus playing well or is Bell just that much better than Cook and Trott in your eyes?

Posted by Mitty2 on (September 18, 2013, 6:34 GMT)

@greatest_game, some nice, accute steretyping there - not to mention generalising (2 people whinging out of the total 157 who hve commented). You should know as well as anyone that that *myth* was only built up because we rarely lost. Indian fans whinge, england fans whinge, australian fans whinge, NZ fans most certainly DID whinge on this site during that series. and would you believe it, South African fans whinge! Don't give us the southern hemisphere crap - everyone does it.

Also, having 10 men in Brisbane affected nothing (was always going to be a draw), it's just a simple fact that we had the better of the draw. And would you expect otherwise fpr people to complain about a bowlers' injury when we're attempting to bowl out a side on a still flat deck?? I, like many others, put that draw down to matthew wade's ridicuously bad keeping. And yes, everyone rightly blames Perth on selection. In what parralel universe is Starc, Johnson and Hastings a suitable test attack?

Posted by Mitty2 on (September 18, 2013, 6:23 GMT)

@Tim, that's a ridiculous comment, and in fact, anyone English fan who still holds on to the fact that Eng caused their own pitfalls and its not due to the opposition is only in for trouble. That people say on paper Eng underperformed is a hypothetical based on nothing... Is Aus's best - considering we had only lost 2 tests for over a two year period after the '10/'11 ashes - losing 3-0 to an overrated Eng side? No. This Aus side outplayed SA for the majority of the series at home, whereas Eng got smashed against them...

You simply cannot dispute that Root, Prior. Trott and Cook all failed because of smart and obvious tactics from Clarke and brilliant execution from our bowlers. People said trott was in career best form, but then suddenly fails against Aus. Likewise Cook + Root. Oh no but eng underperformed.

On the bowlers, Swann, Anderson, bresnan and Broad all bowled under their career bowling averages. Hah, yes sure Eng underperformed.

Posted by mbabu73 on (September 18, 2013, 5:33 GMT)

Rankin from Ireland, Jordon from Barbados and Stokes from New Zealeand. Well done England.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 18, 2013, 4:47 GMT)

@ Posted by TheBigBoodha wonders "Why not just keep attacking? Almost every wicket was self-termination. Why?" Really, you ask why? Here's why - as someone said somewhere, "As ye whines, so shall ye weep!"

DRS, umpires, selectors, CA, Stuart Broad, Clarke's back, Wade, Watto, Warner, weather, whinge, whinge, whinge. Wake up, Australia! YOU WON. Be happy, celebrate, have a party & wake the neighbors, get on top of your roof and yell "Yes, Yes, Yes: At last, we finally won a series. (Make sure you are wearing your pajamas - it was only a few ODIs And nooo, noo no, don't have another beer, you'll just get all weepy!

Seriously man, what happened to Aussie grit? That 'never say die' Aussie spirit? You guysd are beginning to make Broad look like a bruiser, and that is sad, sad, sad. So sad, it deserves it's own whinge!

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 18, 2013, 4:28 GMT)

@ Jayzuz, TheBigBoodha. I can't believe that during a game (& series) that Australia WON, you were whinging about "luck." I've never heard Poms like so many Aussies here. You have lost the plot - Aussies aren't supposed to whinge. Zimbabwe had to go on strike to get the beer money they get paid, but they didn't forget that southern hemisphere teams win, not whinge. The Kiwis had Eng by the throat, did not close it out, but didn't whinge. Kiwis go for the win - the southern hemisphere way. But when Aus could not bowl out SA last year, all we heard was luck, luck and more luck. SA played the 1st test with 10 men, lost Philander before the 2nd, & then lost Kallis' bowling, and one of his batting legs just after he had ripped out Punter and Quiney. Yet all we heard was the "if Aus had not lost Pattinson" whinge. Pattinson the match winner?? Really?? Saffas didn't whinge, just won the last match, & series. Remember the golden rule. NO WHINGING under the southern cross - its embarrassing!

Posted by   on (September 18, 2013, 3:54 GMT)

Fascinated by English supporters claiming that they can win the return leg easily. Considering how well Australia have batted at home for the last few Summers, at times when our batsmen have been in worse form than now, how poor the English batting was in home conditions (Ian Bell made all the runs that counted, really) and how bouncy the wickets are going to be I honestly don't fancy their chances. There's a good chance they could be shutout just like Australia were in these Ashes.

Posted by   on (September 18, 2013, 1:38 GMT)

This series just goes to show that outside of the Test XI the English cupboard is totally bare. Excuses that England put forward a weak team (for what purpose exactly????) just don't cut it after months of boasts of massive depth of talent and superior players. England were decisively outplayed and would have gone down 4-1 had they not had the best of the weather once more.

Posted by paapam on (September 18, 2013, 0:59 GMT)

England need Cook, Bell and Swann back in the playing eleven.

Posted by Shaggy076 on (September 17, 2013, 23:21 GMT)

Tim Jevons - Are you saying that there can be no attribution to the way the Aussie bowlers bowled that the English top 6 had poor series and that the only reason they underperformed was because they weren't in good knick. This holier than now attitude of giving no credit to the opposition for the way players performed in my opinion is quite poor.

Posted by Shaggy076 on (September 17, 2013, 23:14 GMT)

Shan156 - I think you have missed the point. The next Ashes series is always the most important. The English series was up until the time it passed. You cant dwell on the past but look to the future. I'm pretty sure most Aussie fans know its not going to be easy to win it - but we have seen enough from our players to suggest it is quite possible.

Posted by SyedAreYouDumb on (September 17, 2013, 19:45 GMT)

Well played Watto!! Reminded me of the time when you smashed Bangladesh with 185 not out. Nice shots and were well hit. Also people will continue to bash Fawad, but you guys seem to forget that all the ODI'S he played in had nothing for the spinners (also check Tredwell's stats vs Fawad's in those matches, both were punished). The only time, spinners had something in it for them was in 2nd T20i and Fawad bowled brilliantly. Lets see how he plays vs India in India (next series). Anyway England will win Ashes down under but will lose ODI'S, as per usual...

Posted by Roshan_P on (September 17, 2013, 17:20 GMT)

@dinom I sincerely hope you don't mean Finch and Bailey can play in Tests! That would be a sight - a batsman like Bailey floundering against Anderson when he swings it in to him. Those two are simply glorified thumpers. Very good thumpers, but not Test quality batsmen who can play good bowling.

@Mitty2 Your XI actually makes a lot of sense, although I probably would have Bell higher up the order. He can attack the bowling as he's a stroke maker, and definitely Cook and Trott to open so long as Trott picks up the pace a bit. I would have Bell at 4, Root 5, Bopara 6 and Buttler 7 (or moved up the order if needed). I would also think about removing Trott and having Root open, and making way for someone like Stokes or another bowler.

Posted by Roshan_P on (September 17, 2013, 17:12 GMT)

Well done Australia, but don't forget that this was a weak England side. They were certainly not playing their best team. It's always great to see Watto bat well. He combines power and elegance really well, which is seen best in his booming cover drives. He should be a force when it comes to the next Ashes. It's a shame Phil Hughes didn't make use of this opportunity, but it was a good ball from Jordan. He seems to be a good bowler, and if he can swing it he can be successful in Tests too.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (September 17, 2013, 16:19 GMT)

@Mitty2 (post on September 17, 2013, 14:01 GMT): I'm in pretty much 100% agreement. We have the players, and although I'm dubious about stats (particularly in short formats) - they suggest something going right for key players. Like some others, I've always been saying England just don't their order correct and keep slotting guys in where they are uncomfortable/simply do not perform as well (e.g. KP opening!). England are at their strongest when they open with grafters (who can sometimes kick on towards the end); guys like KP, Morgan etc. should only be brought on once a decent platform is set. Trott has a phenomenal record at 3, but in my opinion is not needed at 3 if the openers have already done their job. Root and Bopara are 'flexible' and can be used accordingly depending on game situations. Bowling-wise: not much to add to what you've said, but when pitches/conditions allow for it England should use more spinners.

Posted by USA_Res on (September 17, 2013, 15:48 GMT)

Australia need to get over this Test match "woulda, coulda, shoulda" and come to terms with the fact that they lost the Ashes series 3-0. Frankly, if they bring the same approach to the series down-under, I don't see them doing any better. Australia lost the test series, and England lost the ODI's for the same reason, game mentality. England took their test match mentality to the ODI's and Australia took their ODI mentality to the Tests. Approachs to the formats need to change on both sides, or I see pretty much the same outcome.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 17, 2013, 15:46 GMT)

@Shan156 on (September 17, 2013, 14:26 GMT) I was going to say exactly the same but could not be bothered at the time. There are plenty of junk posts as always but still enough quality posters/posts to not dedicate this as a featured comment. We usually get the same 1 or 2 as featured comms but at least they post sensible stuff

@USA_Res on (September 17, 2013, 15:14 GMT) If Eng actually dibbed/dabbed the 1s and 2s to begin with as opposed to playing out so many dots they'd be better off

Posted by ScottStevo on (September 17, 2013, 15:31 GMT)

@Shan156, and what if England don't win it in Australia, then what? To be honest, I'm not happy losing this series to England, but what it has shown, is that barring a few sessions here and there, we can match up against England and certainly win test matches against them. In our home grounds (and a few tweaks to DRS, although I somewhat hope they keep umpires decision for the return leg so that Aus can benefit from as many hometown decisions as England have received on this tour) where the decks aren't dried out for spin, I think we are going to give England one heck of a shake. If we can control your top order the way we have in the last series, I think we will win. And at the end of a b2b series, whoever holds the urn at the end of it will most likely be happiest...

Posted by USA_Res on (September 17, 2013, 15:14 GMT)

Congrats to Australia, well deserved wn. Basic difference between England and Aus in these one-day matches is difference in attitude. England come at it with a Test match mentality, i.e. dib-dab 1s & 2s, Australia come with a beach cricket mentality, i.e. go for it. All you have to do is watch Watson in this match, and Finch in the earlier T20. Where is the successor to Beefy??? The England approach to the short game just doesn't cut it. It only really takes one player on either side, to have an exceptional thrash, and the game is done. England really didn't bat that badly, (apart from Pieterson and Wright getting ducks), and the bowling wasn't all that bad either (apart from Bopara's tendency to bowl down legside, and Roots 28-for). The decider was Watson's innings. If he had been restricted to 90 (still a great knock), Australia would have lost.

Posted by Shan156 on (September 17, 2013, 14:26 GMT)

@Int.Curator, now, I don't know what cricinfo saw in your post that they featured it but it is mostly nonsense to me. Anderson, Broad, and Swann worked hard enough to get good returns in the UAE. Dhoni called Anderson as the difference between the two sides in India which is not usually pace friendly as the Aussie pacemen would later find out. Let Harris first work hard on his fitness.

I see that many Aussies keep mentioning that the return leg of the b2b Ashes is the most important. It appears that Aussie fans have already made up their minds that Aus. will win that one and hence they can claim that they won the more important series:-) The only problem I see, apart from the fact that both series are equally important, is that England will win the return leg too. Let's see what Aussie fans have to say then.

Posted by Mitty2 on (September 17, 2013, 14:01 GMT)

Regarding Eng's balance for future ODI's... (This coming from a very outside perspective) from what seen in the CT, against NZ and this series I think that Eng have a big dilemma. Cook + Bell statistically a very good opening partnership. Trott has a phenomenal 50+ average and KP has won millions of games single handedly. But on strike rates, the current preferred top 3 I don't think is good enough. I'd put Bell down at 5 because we all know his stroke making ability, Cook + trott open and KP at 3. I think that Morgan can rise to the challenge by batting at 4 (impressed by him this series) and Bopara (mainly because of Buttler's reassuring form and Bopara's solid ODI bowling) at 6.

On the bowling: Rankin has been phenomenal and looking forward to seeing him these Ashes. He should be first selected; economical and always threatening - he even set up Hughes' wicket for Jordan. Finn bowls far better with the white ball, he should be next and then Tredwell and Anderson. Thoughts?

Posted by dinom on (September 17, 2013, 13:59 GMT)

This series win gave Aus potential players for the return ashes: Rodgers, Finch, Watson, Clarke, Smith, Bailey, Haddin, Siddle, Harris, Bird and Lyon with Warner, Faulkner, Johnson and Ahmed.

Posted by Mitty2 on (September 17, 2013, 13:48 GMT)

@steve back, liked the one. Opposite with me, would much prefer O'Keefe or Zampa to Fawad Ahmed! Haven't seen that much of Wright, but from all I've heard he's a t20 specialist slogger and this Eng A side already has Buttler, Morgan, Bopara and KP who can all score quick enough. You do have Trott, Bell and Cook for this, but for this ODI would've been helpful if Eng got a top order batsman from the county who can play anchor - not sure who.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 17, 2013, 13:32 GMT)

Some comms re Tredwell. Personally I don't think he bowled that badly despite his figures from what I saw of the games. It was just that guys like Watson,Bailey and Clarke were in full flow and pushing on when Tredwell came on to bowl. I'm also wondering if he was the victim of his own decent reputation and past performances. I seem to remember him having a decent series vs Aus last time they were here for a series and I wonder if Aus batsmen had a plan to try and unsettle him from the off

Posted by JG2704 on (September 17, 2013, 13:32 GMT)

@Jono Makim As for Swann - in tests in particular - that's a tough one. I've always said that he will be the hardest to replace of all our older players. The one thing we can hope is that someone who is out there now may flourish later in their careers much like Swann has done. As for now that's an even tougher one. I suppose Monty is still next in line but I'm not sure about him as a lone spinner

@Karl Jenawayon (September 17, 2013, 9:03 GMT) What do you mean Eng have never had a competitive side? They were finalists in the last ODI tournament involving all 8 major int sides and last winter only lost 3-2 in India. Granted they don't do it often enough but they can compete with the best on their day

Posted by JG2704 on (September 17, 2013, 13:32 GMT)

@Jono Makim - Maybe harsh but we have opened with 2 reputed power hitters and they are playing exactly the same way as Bell/Cook who get stick for their SRs etc. I just don't see the point in opening with these type of players if they are not going to play their expansive games and I thought they were called Powerplay overs for a reason. We may as well open with guys like Trott and Root if we're not going to try and take advantage. Personally ,esp when chasing I like to try and get up with or even ahead of the rate and then if there is weather and DL comes into play you're not faced with such a mountainous task. The thing is we're still losing wickets early when playing so cautiously so at least by playing with more aggression gives the bowling side more to think about

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (September 17, 2013, 13:21 GMT)

@Int.Curator (post on September 17, 2013, 7:46 GMT): I assume you're talking specifically about ODI's, otherwise the majority of that post is nonsense. Even at that [ODI's], Australia still have some work to do with this "reliable batting line-up" as they're carrying some talentless passengers and are still over-reliant on Clarke.

I'm usually one of the first posters to be harsh on the likes of Broad when he ain't bowling well, but if anything during the recent Ashes series I thought Broad bowled magnificently in rather bowler-unfriendly conditions. In that devastating spell that won England one of the games the ball was doing naught either through the air or off the pitch; yet those bowlers you claim "disappoint you" certainly did dig in very deep and, unlike those bowlers you claim "work hard", delivered. As you say: Bring on the Ashes! A new chapter awaits.

Posted by landl47 on (September 17, 2013, 13:18 GMT)

@jmcilhinney: I'm rather more positive about Stokes than you are. He's quite sharp, takes wickets and generally has pretty good control. He tends to bowl the odd wayward over at the moment, but he's 22. Whether he's 3rd or 4th seamer, if he can bat well enough to be a #7 he gives England a dimension it has lacked since Flintoff retired. He now needs to work on his batting- I was less impressed with his batting than his bowling. He should cut out the scoop, play the right shot to the ball that's bowled and work on his defence.

He's not ready for test cricket yet, but in a couple of years he could be very good indeed.

Posted by hhillbumper on (September 17, 2013, 13:04 GMT)

I think we all know that from this springboard Aus will go on to world domination. Aus will win the Ashes 5-0.We all know that England haven't won in Aus forever so tell us Aussies shall we just give you the Ashes now and save ourselves the embarrassment? As for Overton I do not agree with not playing him. He is a young talent and should have been picked and played.Jordan has something as indeed does Stokes. As for KP and his seemingly unique calling system.did laugh when he got run out and pouted a bit. Good talent but useless team mate. He is to England what Watson is to Aus although to be fair he does put in more effort

Posted by HatsforBats on (September 17, 2013, 13:00 GMT)

@Steve Back, Siddle has a better career avg than Broad & Anderson, and performed better than all 3 in 2009. A couple of digits here and there make no difference. England have a very good bowling attack,but Broad is capricious, Anderson struggled through the series, and while Siddle was fairly innocuous he gives his all 100% of the time. He's an admirable cricketer.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 12:54 GMT)

I think the reaction Down Under is already out of control this 1 Day series reminded me of England v Australia A back in the 90's. A side did about the same but it was obviously not the Aussies 1st team which this England side isn't. From what I have observed this Summer England won 3-0 and rarely played well but they did win all the big moments whereas Australia played above themselves. Can only see an England win this Winter with England winning at least 3 Tests, god help them if England's top six fire. That said well done in the one dayers although yesterday was win toss win match organisers want questioning as to why you would have a day night match in September.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 12:31 GMT)

@Mitty2: "Some high depth in cultural diversity there!" - well indeed, but whether we win or lose I'd rather have this multicultural outfit than Luke "Play and Miss" Wright! Australian fans must be laughing at the sight of him in international cricket. So he once got 99 against Afghanistan (Afghanistan!). Big deal! He's a technique-free biffer, a slogger with nothing between the ears. He's got no game sense and his ODI average is creeping ever closer towards the teens. Maybe we should look for some imports from East Timor or somewhere like that. They can't be any worse than Wright.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 12:24 GMT)

@Int.Curator: "Broad, Anderson and Swann disappoint me. They are great bowlers as long as the conditions favour them. They don't dig in and work hard like Siddle and Harris do in all conditions."

Funny then, that Broad, Anderson and Swann all averaged less than Siddle during the Ashes series.

Posted by HatsforBats on (September 17, 2013, 12:23 GMT)

@Chris_P, I see no harm whatsoever in suggesting how a team may fair in the run chase when conditions and team form/composition are considered. So my prediction was wrong? Meaningless. As I check/discuss cricket here daily (and for the past 9yrs) I'm aware of the comments you mention. "What's wrong with seeing positives?" First and foremost I'm a cricket fan, so in no way do I consider declaring a possible win for the opposition as a negative. If England had chased 300 (a record for the ground) that would mean a very exciting match had occurred, everybody wins.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 12:20 GMT)

@Jono Makim: Regarding our spin: Nobody, that's who. Tredwell has never been a first-class/long format specialist anyway, and to date has played only one test. Simon Kerrigan is by means ready for international cricket and currently has a weak bowling action. He needs to improve over the next couple of seasons. Monty Panesar has a respectable Test record for a slow left-armer, but let's be honest, he's no Rangana Herath, His average is serviceable, about the same as Daniel Vettori's, but he's nowhere near as consistent a wicket taker in all conditions. We need Graeme Swann, who is the only genuinely world-class spinner England have had since Derek Underwood, to play Tests for at least 4-5 more years.

Posted by HatsforBats on (September 17, 2013, 12:02 GMT)

@whofriggincares, fair call if they decided for Watto to drop anchor and Clarke up the ante. At the rate they were going they conceivably have put up 400. I saw it as an opportunity to be ruthless, squeeze the bowlers hard (without risk and with ease as they had been doing) and don't give them a sniff. With only Bailey in form after them, Clarke was a big wicket, thankfully it didn't matter in the end.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 17, 2013, 11:38 GMT)

@Int.Curator on (September 17, 2013, 7:46 GMT), what a load of rot about Anderson and Broad. They were both good in UAE and, while Broad was injured, Anderson was also good in India. I don't think that either of those locations are exactly helpful to fast bowlers.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 11:34 GMT)

England's team was generally experimental, so it's of no concern they lost the series. The management are very much looking at the big picture i.e. preparation for the next world cup! This last game was very much a "win the toss, win the match" pitch, so again no surprise the Aussies won. If I was an Aussie I wouldn't see this as any consolation for the test series loss - it reminds me how England used to be!

Posted by KARNAWAT33 on (September 17, 2013, 11:04 GMT)

Watson was in sublime touch. He needs to be there in the XI for the ASHES in Australia. Longevity is a humongous problem which he needs to sort outwith Lehmann. A big respite in the form of Fawad Ahmed who might wave a magic wand over Oz's post Warne spin troubles (which have seemed everlasting and the veteran has been asked to wear the BAGGY GREEN time & again). Clarke needs to sort out his back problems and stick consistently with a playing XI irrespective of their performances in the near future (If Michael Carberry can, anyone can). Well played Australia! Beating India won''t be a problem. Time to concentrate on regaining the URN at home!

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 10:50 GMT)

i dont knw why Carberry played in that fashion(SR),he played in 20-20 county hitting 100 of just 60 balls

Posted by Paul_Rampley on (September 17, 2013, 10:40 GMT)

Great win but lets not get ahead of ourselves with ashes predictions as England's best 4 bowlers were not playing. Also I have to agree with Amith and FlemingEdwards on Khawaja and i also read that article where Inevarity said he is on the side of these young batsman and wants them to come through. Swann was all over our lefties(Hughes, Khawaja, Rogers, Warner) in the ashes but they will work on this and come back strong in the home ashes, and i also tip Khawaja to come back strongly. Its all about runs for your state. And not much mention of the upcomign ODIs but i would rest the test players from it and let them play shield.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 10:00 GMT)

This ODI series was so underwhelming it was hard to see the point of having it, after the real stuff (the Ashes) was all decided and done with. Good to see a few performances from Buttler, Stokes, Jordan and Rankin from the almost entirely experimental side. I think though only Pietersen, Root and possibly Rankin, if they take only one spinner, have a realistic chance of being in the Ashes squad.

Posted by Chris_P on (September 17, 2013, 9:51 GMT)

@HatsforBats. I would suggest that no game, whatever it is, is NOT over until the last ball, final whistle, the hooter or whatever else signifies the end, ergo, why else would you set yourself up for the dump by making an ill-informed prediction? Why not just sit back & comment on the result afterwards? I see too often certain fans from one particular country exercise the futility of poor predictions, so why join them? WHat's wrong with seeing positives?

Posted by siddhartha87 on (September 17, 2013, 9:46 GMT)

Bailey should play in the Ashes down under.He should make a good no 5 or no 6.His temperament is tremendous something that is missing from talented player like Hughes.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 9:28 GMT)

@JG2704, can't help but thinking that you are missing the effect of two new balls on your thinking towards top order batting. Australia also had top order power hitters in every game but the only time they really got going was against the English 'spinners'.

Which brings me to England's spin problem, just who do you turn to if Swann pulls up lame? Kerrigan and Tredwell look way out of their comfort zone and we all know that Monty is having a few issues right now. So who is next in line? I thought Australia's spin bowling cupboard was pretty bare, but England's, without Swann does not seem to have any tennants at all?

Posted by milepost on (September 17, 2013, 9:24 GMT)

England got smashed in this series it wasn't close at all if you actually watched the games. England just can't keep up with big chases - but I suspect they will as the new generation of batsmen come in. Why would Aussie fans hang around to watch ODI cricket in England in mid September, it's cold!? The test teams aren't as far apart as some usual...... yawn..... posters keep going on about..... yawn..... Saying this was a sub par England side is very unfair - there are some real talents in the ranks and that's good for cricket fans. Rankin has always looked the goods and deserves a trip to Australia for sure.

Posted by whofriggincares on (September 17, 2013, 9:22 GMT)

@hatsforbats, I take your point but seriously what else was he going to do in the powerplay regardless of the previous 10 overs? He and Watto had obviously spoken about it and Pup was the one to have a dip and Watto the anchor. The dropped catch was a drive that wasn't quite there and the dismissal was a pull shot that got big on him totally different not the exact same shot at all. He had Bailey who has been in seriously good form , Voges and Faulkner to come and Watson set at the other end. It is a matter of opinion I guess but you cant be worried about collapses when you are 3 for 200 of 30 overs . Thank god we don't play that way we would be just another England or India. Hope we collapse to be all out for 298 plenty more times in the future!

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (September 17, 2013, 9:18 GMT)

haha even when the aussies win, their fans cant stop whingeing. Hilarious stuff.

Posted by anton1234 on (September 17, 2013, 9:06 GMT)

Rankin should go to Australia along with Finn and Tremlett and not in place of one of them. The best fast bowlers in the country are Anderson, Finn, Tremlett, Rankin (last three in no particular order). Yes, they are all better than Broad but we know Broad wont be dropped by England unless he goes through a bad patch for a year or two, or gets injured. Stokes looks quite a good find, much better than Woakes, whose medium pace is innocuous. . I think Stoakes can be developed into a serious allrounder in the mould of Flintoff. A decent no.6 or 7 and and bowling some match winning spells like Flintoff did against SA, WI and Australia in short bursts. He shouldn't be looked at as a support bowler who comes in and does a holding job.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 9:03 GMT)

england deserved to lose after playing half a team. I wonder if full strength team wud have stopped australia england never had a competitive side in odi.it will be decades before england kid lift their maiden wc trophy.next wc in australia and I don't see enfland reaching last 4.india and australia are favourites .

Posted by JG2704 on (September 17, 2013, 8:58 GMT)

Re batting ctd. I'd like to have seen our more powerful batsmen opening and try and take more advantage of the powerplay overs like so many sides do in T20. The other disadvantage in not going harder up front is if the game becomes rain affected and reduced in overs. England were lucky that the game the other day did not finish as a reduced overs game after they made such a laboured start. Re the positives we'll take from the series.

1 - Boyd Rankin - Who looks to have a much higher consistency level than Finn and looks a very promising player

2 - The form of Jos Buttler - The one good thing about our top order not performing is that Jos comes in earlier and isn't having to go kamikaze from ball 1. Eng should bring him up the order

3 - Chris Jordan - I like the way he came back from a poor start with the ball

4- Ben Stokes - To me looks like he has something about him and should definitely be persisted with.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 17, 2013, 8:46 GMT)

Well played Australia - fully deserved winners of the ODI tournament. Re England , We will have taken a few positives from this series but I feel it kind of pointless that we were experimenting with different players /formation we played the same old tactics and this only worked once - and only just - when we were set a chase at less than 4.5 rpo. Don't think Carberry has done himself any favours whatsoever. His SR's have been worse than Bell and Cook. I'm not sure if he's been batting to orders or if he's just become inhibitted in Eng colours. I know we lost wkts early once or twice but there seemed to be little positive intent up front from anyone For me it kind of defeats the object of having 2 reputable power hitters opening if they are going to play like Bell and Cook. I'd have thought they could have gone harder knowing that theris the extra batting depth. I believe they are going to rename the 1st 10 overs the dourplay overs

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 8:43 GMT)

finch, marsh and Watson has ability to fill shoes of Hayden, Gilchrist and symonds so CA shd work on dem by providing as many opportunities and they will find a very good top order and Clarke n Bailey, warner down the order and either smith o Maxwell in end and everyone knows they have top quality bowling attack and that will bring them back back as world champions in ther own backyard. .

Posted by PrasPunter on (September 17, 2013, 8:39 GMT)

@Tim Martin, am aware that he even scored a ton in an ODI last summer. When he was in, the score was around 214 odd for 4 with 15 overs. From there, we should ideally have reached 320+ (minimum ) . He takes a lot of time to get going. And I hope you watched his dismissal - a nothing shot off a very average bowler . He finds it really hard to go for the big shots when required. Atleast thats what I could with the last couple of ODIs. None of us complain about Huss at 5 or 6 because of his ability to step-up. But I definitely don't see that with Voges. And less said the better about Wade - i lost it.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (September 17, 2013, 8:36 GMT)

Certainly would have been a different game had Clarke been ruled out! Good knock from Watto, and with England refusing to adjust their batting lineup it was never going to be a successful chase. Jordan and Stokes were nippy, but despite managing to bowl Australia out I still think England were a good bowler light. Surprising thing is England actually handled McKay better this game, but unfortunately for them the right Mitch Johnson also turned up.

Now hopefully all the moaning about the weather etc. will stop now; after that initial heavy shower, it actually turned out to be a glorious evening.

Posted by Paul_Rampley on (September 17, 2013, 8:34 GMT)

This win will help carry momentum into the home ashes, well done boof and the team. Now for an exciting start to the shield season and to see our young guns such as Warner, Khawaja, Maddinson get some shield runs to get a start in the home series and i predicgt big ones from Warner and Khawaja early on. For our bowling backups to stand up in the absence of Starc, Pattinson and Cummins. Could be time for Johnson, Cutting, Hazelwood to fire.Rhino and Siddle will be key once again.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 17, 2013, 8:28 GMT)

@Neil Dyer on (September 16, 2013, 13:11 GMT) - Hopefully the Surrey win will help them avoid relegation but Eng have certainly done Somerset no favours re avoiding the drop and denying us Jos for the Notts semi still leaves a bad taste. They released Jamie for the Notts semi but of his last 4 YB matches he'd been going at 9rpo anyway. I think they should have looked at everyone so that also includes Briggs on his home ground.

@Garp on (September 16, 2013, 18:05 GMT) Boyd Rankin (albeit via Ireland) looks a good find. He wasn't going at 7 an over. You're right in that our shorter format bowling looks on the downturn but then again Watson was on fire so credit where it's due

@xtrafalgarx on (September 17, 2013, 1:21 GMT) England got to 249 as it was so 250 was hardly in the bag was it?

@Paul Rone-Clarke on (September 17, 2013, 7:35 GMT) Thought Morgan wasn't too bad

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 8:25 GMT)

Eng have done too many experiments specially with the bowling, relying heavily on bowling all rounders. experiment is ok but at least try to make a balance playing XI. i was going through Eng player stats & was surprised to see that no ENG player has played even 200 ODI. This shows their lack of interest in odi, they r happy with winning test matches (particularly ASHES)

Posted by vsroc on (September 17, 2013, 8:25 GMT)

It was a convincing victory for Australia,who ended their tour to England in majestic style by wrapping up the Natwest series,in the fifth ODI match.Watson and Clarke dominated both well in batting to blossom their partnership against some wayward bowling of England.Both the spinners of England,James Treadwell and Root ,in their combined quota of 10 overs,were hammered all round the wicket by both the Australian batsmen to score 96 valuable runs.Except for a breezy partnership between Jose Buttler and Ravi Boppar,all other batsmen of England failed miserably. failed miserably.

Posted by HatsforBats on (September 17, 2013, 8:23 GMT)

@whofriggincares, We (Aus) took 80 runs of the 10 overs before the powerplay, and 8 runs off the over before Clarke holed out after already being dropped from the same shot in the same position at the start of the over. With 20 overs left to bat, a collapse-prone lineup, and two genuine tail-enders...it was a poor shot. If that had been Watson people would be talking about how he throws away good starts. Clarke is allowed to be criticised.

Posted by muzika_tchaikovskogo on (September 17, 2013, 8:21 GMT)

I think Australia have a pretty good chance of winning back the ashes later this year. Their bowlers will be more effective in home conditions. Its just a matter of getting the battting in place and there's no better place to do it than home.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 17, 2013, 8:17 GMT)

@landl47 on (September 17, 2013, 0:36 GMT), Buttler is undoubtedly the biggest positive for England to come out of this series. His keeping still needs work but you could say that about anyone at his age, especially when they haven't been keeping regularly at domestic level. He really became the batsmen that we all hoped he would and most though he could this series. Hopefully he can maintain this sort of level in the future but it was to his advantage that England lost early wickets and he got to play longer innings here. Rankin also looked very good. It's a real shame for Ireland to lose his services but he would never have developed with them to the level that he might for England because of the relative exposure levels. Stokes is not ready to be a third seamer and may never be, but he showed genuine promise as a batsman and fourth seamer. Unfortunately for Carberry, he seems to have missed his last chance to impress, looking scratchy even when he did make runs this series.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 17, 2013, 8:08 GMT)

I went to bed when Wright was run out because it was fairly clear at that stage that England had no hope. They ended up getting much closer than I thought they would, so well done to the lower-middle-order for that. You'd have to say that they would have been in with a shot if they hadn't managed to run out two of their most attacking batsmen for ducks. I guess KP didn't know where the ball was but he should have just run when Carberry called and he would have made it home. As for Wright, he looked to have given up the ghost when simply a good lunge, never mind a dive, probably would have seen him safely home. You just can't afford to inflict that sort of damage on yourself when chasing a big total. The partnership between Watson and Clarke was obviously the difference here. England did well enough on either side but both batsmen scored with such ease, other than against Rankin. The England bowling was too weak and the top order too out of sorts to make a proper fist of this series.

Posted by HatsforBats on (September 17, 2013, 8:01 GMT)

@Chris_P, why would I be eating humble pie? You know I'm Australian and support Australia right? The pitch was a great batting pitch, no turn even bounce, the outfield was quick and England bat deep, seemed to me a good opportunity for them to chase a big total. There's no accounting for batting like rabbits.

Posted by Amith_S on (September 17, 2013, 7:59 GMT)

I agree Sunil, ussie should have played at the oval but i guess this will make him more hungry to score in shield and get some valuable practice in the longer format before the home ashes. I hope he does well. I hope all our young batsman start to make their mark in test cricket, we need them. And hats off to watson, i was critical off him but boof is brining the best out of him,

Posted by HatsforBats on (September 17, 2013, 7:54 GMT)

@whofriggincares, a bit touchy mate? We (Aus) had taken 80 from the 10 overs before the powerplay and 8 off the over before Clarke tried to force that ball down the ground. With nearly 20 overs to play and our collapse-prone lineup, it was still a poor shot after being dropped from the same shot in the same position at the start of the over. Clarke is allowed to be criticised, buy some tissues if it bothers you that much.

Posted by swauzzie on (September 17, 2013, 7:48 GMT)

I hope they "see the light" & drop Wade. He's not a classy keeper & his batting? Well what good can you say about that? Not much at all! I can think of at least 3 keepers who should be playing instead of him. Hartley, Paine & definately Haddin!

Posted by Captain_Tuk_Tuk on (September 17, 2013, 7:44 GMT)

England is playing with same mindset as Pakistan like I said it before no mater who the Captain is and Trot or no Trot if you play defensively you can never win and thats why we lost against Zimbabwe but we can blame Misbah for #Misbahsfault England will have to think and change there strategy now.

Posted by Haleos on (September 17, 2013, 7:41 GMT)

"What a Player" not pointing. not watson....its Fawad...very consistent. again giving away over 7 an over. best buy for CA since they started playing cricket.

Posted by siddhartha87 on (September 17, 2013, 7:41 GMT)

.Root scored 36 runs @9 , KP scored 71 runs @17.75 and Trott 28 runs @ 14.00.Good that the first choice England XI did not played :D.It would had been disaster for them

Posted by ReverseSweepIndia on (September 17, 2013, 7:40 GMT)

@Shaggy076, "he score a ton in last test" thats where lies the problem. He will probably score when his selection is on verge of dropping, he won't score when team needs it. And now when he already has scored a ton I wonder when next one will come (talking about tests purely, as I already consider him great in limited format). He is 32 and no point investing in him. You will be better served by investing same amount of tests (experience) in Smith & Khwaja. One man which will prove much better than Watto (at #3 position) currently is Baily in any test series home or abroad and I am ready to bet on it. But your selection panel do not know why can't see it while even most of Aus supporters believe so. Looks like some selection panels world across are lost brothers (Ishant, Hafeez, Watson, Wade don't believe these guys play test cricket and keep on getting selected)

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 7:35 GMT)

England's ODI batting is pretty poor. Buttler, Bopara and Stokes aside, the big guns of Morgan and Pietersen failed completely in this series, Root did not contribute either. Trott? The least said the better. But the bowling? I am amazed at the attacks England put out. Who would have thought that Rankin Jordan Stokes and Root would have bowled 36 overs between them in an ODI this Summer. Who a year ago had even heard of any of these guys? Let's be clear, this is not even Englands second string attack. Onions and Tremlett would be in that (and they are both fit and playing) this is a development England attack. Bopara coming on first change in the 1st ODI? Has he ever even bowled that high for Essex? Not wanting to diminish the Aussies play, let's be honest about it, it was Clarke, Watson, Hughes etc against Englands development squad bowlers for most of the series, and the young guns did pretty well for the most part. Good to see England have so many young quicks coming through.

Posted by s.sreekant on (September 17, 2013, 7:29 GMT)

Great win fo oz but still a weak point would be Fawad Ahmed,though he is still in development hope he does not go down as an just another oz experimental spinner and the opening combo has not yet settle in,lots of chops and changes which is not good,they have to settle on a pair.the main problem with current team is that they are not playing with a constant team and line up soon they have to settle on a permanent team but with a few changes occasionally,they have to find a right combo and they need to stop tinkering with Wade's position which is not doing good for his form he should be told to bat at 6 or 7 which his position or go as an opener,so tat he can work on his game rather than sending in various position.

For me the man of the series should be George Bailey easily the best player of Oz team in the series,the way he played in the 4th game was great,poor bailey missed out.

Posted by zn264 on (September 17, 2013, 6:58 GMT)

Just shows that the Kiws and Aussies are too good for Poms in the ODIs in their own backyard (add SA for the kiwis too), wish the same could be said about test cricket. About time the ANZACs got together for a couple of December tests like previous years, this time NZ might actually have a shot!

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 6:52 GMT)

The difference between the two sides was the batting of Clarke, Bailey and Watson and the bowling of James Tredwell, who rightfully should be credited with the 80 runs off nine overs conceded by Joe Root as the latter wouldn't have bowled but for Tredwell's poor performances. Perhaps playing him at Old Trafford was a defensible selection, not so Cardiff and Southampton.

Posted by Shaggy076 on (September 17, 2013, 6:49 GMT)

ReverseSweepIndia - He got a ton in his last test. Cant drop him on that. Did have a period of dominating test cricket for a 2 year period so obviously unlike Yuhraj he can do it. Also his bowling is very useful for all formats of the game.

Posted by KhanMitch on (September 17, 2013, 6:48 GMT)

What folks forget is that we are not too far from beating the enemy, our bowling is as good as theirs provided the pitches are not tailored to spin from day 1, i am predicting we will get much closer to them in our home ashes, just need to show faith in our players and as some of you have mentioned should have been shown to our younger batsman in the ashes series just passed. I am sure Khawaja and Warner will fire in the home ashes after some early shield runs.Rogers, Warner, Watson, Clarke, Smith, Khawaja as my top 6 and 2 reserves could be Silk, Burns but it all depends on early shield form, that has to be rewarded and i am sure boof will do that.

Posted by xtrafalgarx on (September 17, 2013, 6:48 GMT)

@FFL, six years? Last time i checked England has only been winning ashes consistently since 2009, that's four years mate, get your maths right. Even if it is 6, atleast it ain't 19 like you lot.

Posted by Shaggy076 on (September 17, 2013, 6:46 GMT)

Jared Hansen - He also played West Indies. Our batsman including Finch, Clarke etc scored very little runs that series. Voges and Hughes were our shining lights. You can only score runs against who you played but his one-day record so far is of a very good standard. So he gets out once after not batting in competition for some time and your willing to put the line through on that performance.

Posted by Shaggy076 on (September 17, 2013, 6:43 GMT)

Front-Foot-Lunge - Probably got something to do with day night games starting at midnight our time.

Posted by Sunil_Batra on (September 17, 2013, 6:42 GMT)

Great win by the boys and well done to Watson for coming through in a key game for us. Now attention turns to our home ashes. @DouglasMoxon guys like Hughes, Khawaja are in the same boat, needs shield runs and they will get back in. I am basing this on Inevarity's comments a few days back in the SMH where he mentioned Khawaja, Hughes as the batsman he wants to see back in the side if they get shield runs. This on top of the fact that boof knows of his talent as well. I think given he top scored in Lords, got a howler in Manchester he is not far from getting another chance and i hope the likes of him and Hughes do well in our home ashes where Swann should be less of a threat.

Posted by anver777 on (September 17, 2013, 6:28 GMT)

"What a Player" wish Watson continue this power hitting form for Rajasthan Royals in the upcoming CLT20 !!!!

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 6:15 GMT)

Of course, when giving too many urns 298 the England players were sure of winning the match because thought Australia is incapable of taking more than 5 wickets. England was happy about offering excess runs because they wanted their batboys to shine with easy runs from useless AUS bowlers. That calculation misfired. Ahamad fired his ball to end Emg;and innings by taking the 10th wicket. .

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 6:01 GMT)

Strange a weak Australia defeated England. AUS bolwrers are weak still they managed to pull out a win . strange.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (September 17, 2013, 5:54 GMT)

Amazing how few Aussies have hung around to witness the finale of this tour. This young and up and coming ODI England side were practically level pegging with the full-strength Aussie side all series. England are the undisputed better Test team, as they have been for a long six years, but we knew that already. 4-0 in the Ashes and now finally the Aussies get to go home from their nightmare tour. The thing is, when the Ashes happen down-under in a few months, there will be no where for Aus to escape to! Can't wait.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 5:42 GMT)

@Shaggy076 : Yes, Hughes had a good ODI series in Australia but he was playing against Sri Lanka - no offense to the Sri Lankans but the bowling attack they used in that series wasn't terribly incisive. He got good scores, but his weaknesses were still on show - he gets out of the blocks very slow, has very poor leg-side play and comes to a near standstill against spin bowling. When he's got his eye in he can be damaging but it takes a long time - if he gets out cheaply all he's done is soak up deliveries.

Jordan displayed his weakness simply - by walking across his crease he got himself in the wrong position for a ball that was perfect to cut. So Hughes' instinct takes him FURTHER across and attempts a frenzied hook against the line when the ball's nearly passed him. That ball was going nowhere but to hand.

To be a world class cricketer there's too much Hughes needs to work on. I don't think he'll ever make it.

Posted by tickcric on (September 17, 2013, 5:35 GMT)

I didn't see much of the series but I saw most of Bailey-Clarke & Watson-Clarke partnerships. I guess the highlights of this series. Both partnerships were great fun to watch. Bailey & Watson provided the power and dominated the attack, Clarke provided the finesse while remaining very positive throughout. This ODI series will be forgotten quickly but it presented two fantastic ODI partnerships.

Posted by ReverseSweepIndia on (September 17, 2013, 5:29 GMT)

Watto again showed it here that in both limited over format he & Yuvraj can be counted as greats, but that`s it. If they stop fancying Tests, fans can ultimately come to terms that they are made for just these formats. Good win for Australia. CT debacle aside, they have always looked settled (except few places) and much better ODI side. Eng looked like have realized that it is better to give extended run to a player if they see potential in him. Buttler is the example and he has started to express on big stage. I am not sure about Stokes. He had a 5-fer, but he still looked average. But again, its too early to take the knife out. Aus is coming over here for 'few' ODIs, why not bring Maddinson along with? And you need to find place for Smith (moving Watto to open can do it).

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 5:04 GMT)

Watson played a match winning innings after a while..but what an innings! The minute Kevin was run out, England's chances looked bleak. Carburry still hasn't transitioned into a comfort level zone on the international stage but looked like he belongs. England tried hard to play catch up but were found wanting at every stage of the chase. The match was over for all practical purposes right after Morgan's wicket. Bopara flattered to deceive, and it might be worth considering him for the opener slot till a worthy heir replaces all these pretenders.

Posted by deano_411 on (September 17, 2013, 5:02 GMT)

@ Douglas Moxon that makes no sense.. Take out Bell, Anderson and Swan and Aus win the ashes... You can only beat what is in front of you and two of the three games AUS won with massive amount of ease

Posted by humdrum on (September 17, 2013, 4:46 GMT)

England lack the mental strength to chase down big totals--even at their best,they have chased 300 plus only once in the last decade.Compare that with other teams over the years and you realise where they stand.In between stating that 50 over ODIs don't matter,you have statements that they want to end the drought on ICC trophies.Then some half hearted measures,some self congratulations,sneering at the opposition and that's it.At least for now,folks.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 4:45 GMT)

when jeyasuria was toying likes of manoj prabakar and venky prasad all around the wicket n ground ....he would more often play a defensive stroke to let the captain n blowler come for one more ...... I think there is a strange similarity in this series ....I find england toying with the aussie team and leting them win on lose on their own accord ..... Although i wld grab this series with both hands and as a fan see lota changes in the team morale under darren lehman ...i wouldnt bet a cent on this ausssie team .......phil hughes ....ussie,are like brand new Holden captivta that wouldnt starttt...times running out!

Posted by hotcric01 on (September 17, 2013, 4:42 GMT)

Australia is very lucky to have world class allrounders like Shane watson and James Faulkner.Watson can win matches single handedly with both bat and ball.That is why a team need at least 2-3 this kind of top class batsmen in their batting order.Because one or two good innings from them can win matches even without much help from others.This aussi side is a very very good,balanced ODI team after a long time.I think david warner also should be included.Then this team will become "unbeatable" again.

Posted by sk_punter on (September 17, 2013, 4:21 GMT)

Another great batting from #watson and excellent produce of 75 from #clarke although he had troublesome back, was the defining period of the match and series. By winning this last #ODI of #natwest they've climbed at no.2 position...Great keep it up #teamaus

Posted by Philippe on (September 17, 2013, 4:14 GMT)

watto is becoming more like shahid afridi year by year.. he plays well once in blue moon (although he is 100 times better than afridi)

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 3:57 GMT)

Australia beats England B side 2-1 !~ Ho Hum ! < take out Watson and Clarke ( and Bailey ) and what have we got left then ( England C side would be fancying themselves ! ) A win is better than a kick in the bum ... but LOTS of work still to do before the home summer . Australia will do better in home conditions ... but until the likes of Hughes and Warner and Khawaja can start putting t their hands up consistently it will be no sure thing . .... and Bailey and Voges , as 2 of Australias best performers of late might be thinking they should be in line for higher honours ... and I will vote for that !

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (September 17, 2013, 2:56 GMT)

Australia have been the better of the 2 weakened sides, although England are probably more weakened; Aussie win is probably about fair. On a positive Buttler, Stokes and Rankin for England not seen enough of Jordan yet. It puzzles me why the Bop is derided when he fails, he has been a stellar performer in ODI's for a couple of years and his bowling is more than handy. Not sure what Aussies have learnt as I haven't seen much of the play, Bailey has looked solid and dependable whenever I have seen him play period. Now for a rest from cricket till Nov.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 2:47 GMT)

Wow, Voges is getting bagged for 'wasting balls and piling up the pressure', when averaging 48 at a strike rate 87 after 25 matches. Australian fans are just... no words.. smh...

Posted by OneEyedAussie on (September 17, 2013, 2:43 GMT)

I would trade it for the Ashes any day of the week, but a good win for Australia nonetheless.

Looks like Watson, Clarke, Bailey, Faulkner, McKay & Johnson can book their trips to India. I can see Wade's spot going to Haddin (though they should probably take Paine).

Posted by whofriggincares on (September 17, 2013, 2:33 GMT)

@hatsforbats, What a lot of drivel in that last post. Clarkes dismissal didn't look great but in the context of the innings was totally acceptable , they took the powerplay at 3 for 200 odd what else was he going to do wait for the right ball? He did exactly what he had to do and went after the bowling it didn't come off this time so what. As for England chasing down the total easily well that was a brilliant prediction , here comes the "IF KP wasn't run out , if if if blah blah blah" as it turns out 298 was plenty and still we have people taking potshots at Clarke after another brilliant innings. Get a life.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 2:13 GMT)

Are you sitting? We WON a SERIES !! Thanx Watto Clarkey Faulkner, and the rest. ;)

Posted by Mad_Hamish on (September 17, 2013, 1:51 GMT)

For those who wonder what Voges is doing there, an average of 48 and strike rate of 87.81 overall suggests he's worth considering... His last 10 one dayers gives him an average of 54 and a strike rate of 84, his last 20 an average of 52 and a strike rate of 86.76. Didn't have a great series here but shouldn't be discarded on 3 innings.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 1:24 GMT)

what's special in ageas bowl whenever England play with other team they lost their 4 th game in a row while losing they have let other team batsman to score big 100' s. VS SA AMLA 150+. VS NZ GUPTILL 189 .VS AUS FINCH 156 IN T20. VS AUS WATSON 143 .so Hampshire crowds may be disappointed

Posted by xtrafalgarx on (September 17, 2013, 1:21 GMT)

@hatsforbats, True, but anything over 250+ should be good enough for this english one day team. They won the last game, but almost made a meal of chasing a mere 227 runs, watching from Australia, as soon as we passed 250 i turned of my TV and went to bed, knowing this one was in the bag.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 1:10 GMT)

atleast australia won the ODI series .. they must be feeling gud now after they lost ashes ..

Posted by shuvo_bba on (September 17, 2013, 0:41 GMT)

At last, cricketing actions finished at a country of boring raining. Australia is far better than this English side. But they should be careful about their needless collapses. Hughes, Wade: Yes, they should be shown the door. Also Hazlewood needs to be picked up ahead Coulter-Nile. Bailey needs to put up more responsibility in his cricket so that he could be a solid no.6 in the return Ashes down under. Callum Ferguson, Dan Christian can be tested for India series.

I would be delighted for this squad for Brisbane: Rogers, Watson, Khwaja, Clarke (c), Smith, Bailey, Haddin (wk), Siddle, Harris, Johnson/Pattinson, Lyon.

Posted by Chris_P on (September 17, 2013, 0:37 GMT)

@HatsforBats. Wow, how is that humble pie? Whatever you want to do in life, DON'T take up weather forecasting! Not sure what the series provided, but I guess both sides took a little out for their preparations for the 2015 WC. English supporters can critique their own team, as for ours. Wade, almost unbelievably, is keeping worse, Fawad continues to show his shortcomings at the top level,, McKay is a wonderful short form bowler, Hughes needs to start again in the upcoming shield season, the Voges experiment should grind to a halt. I was sorry not to see Maxwell given a run, this guy, when on song, is a wrecking machine in the short form, his time will come.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 0:33 GMT)

@TheBigBoodha If you think this summer was bad, you might want to cast your eye over the stats for the 2009 Ashes. England were out-bowled, out-batted, out-fielded by a SIGNIFICANT margin and ended up winning the series 2-1. England played extremely well in 2011. Australia were a bit unlucky in 2013, but only to the extent that they deserved a narrower margin. The better team won in 2013, something that didn't happen in 2009.

Posted by   on (September 17, 2013, 0:22 GMT)

India is waiting....!!

Posted by H_Z_O on (September 16, 2013, 23:58 GMT)

Better team won, but considering the changes England made from their Champions Trophy side, I still think they may have come out of this series the happier.

Buttler especially has had a much-needed series of consistent quality to silence the doubters, while Rankin, Stokes and Jordan all impressed with the ball.

With 5 of the players who played in the Champions Trophy final (and the team that beat Australia earlier in that tournament) not playing in this series, that's not bad.

For Australia, there's got to be a huge psychological boost in proving to themselves that they can beat England. It won't matter that it's a different format, it's a series win, and a dominant one. They need to carry this into the Test series Down Under, but it's a step in the right direction.

But the players with a point to prove, Wade, Marsh, Finch, Ahmed, they all had poor series. Australia's best performances came from guys we already knew all about. It isn't a bad thing, just an observation.

Posted by RohanMarkJay on (September 16, 2013, 23:55 GMT)

So ends a nothern summer by two closely matched cricket teams. I am expecting a cracking contest between these two down under beginning in 10 weeks, which will give test cricket and cricket in general a much needed shot in the arm. Australia will be tough to beat down under. However unlike the 1990s and early to mid 00s, I don't expect this England side to roll over. I expect them to take it to Australia in Australia.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (September 16, 2013, 23:43 GMT)

Rankin probably has booked his ticket for Aus. Just goes to show what being in the England setup can do to one's talent. I've been mighty impressed with him and a year ago I did mention he might never make the test team but now he looks like the first cab in line. Top order batting for England is still a worry be it ODI or test and Prior's form (he hasn't done well since being back playing for Sussex)

Posted by Rooboy on (September 16, 2013, 23:10 GMT)

@Steve Back - dont ask the Aussie fans why Wade is in the team, ask the selectors! I have no idea why. Paine has had a history of broken fingers which is obviously not ideal for a keeper, but Wade is showing he is not the option. Talk of him playing tests as a specialist batsman is not a good sign for where Aus cricket is at

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 23:04 GMT)

@ Steve Back : Even as somebody who has been supportive of Matthew Wade, I have to say that I am very confused by his ongoing position as first-pick ODI keeper. He's been impressive in the test team for his ability to hang around when the going is tough and craft and innings, get his eye set and then damage the bowlers. Obviously he can only bat that way in ODIs when he's opening, which he did reasonably well (less so than Tim Paine) He is a terrible pinch-hitter as the previous match demonstrated so playing him down the order makes NO sense.

It's especially odd when Haddin has a much better ODI average AND strike rate, and CAN pinch-hit. The deal seems to be that whoever has seniority gets the test keeper spot, and whoever is next in line for test keeper gets the ODI spot. There's a big problem with this because it's not picking the best man for the team to win.

Also, Hughes and Marsh should be dropped for the foreseeable. But that's obvious, surely?

Posted by cricpanther on (September 16, 2013, 23:03 GMT)

England is the father of cricket game, but looks like, England blindly following rules book and too much rule book cricket leads them to grow naturally, they are not understanding the true meaning of the game on specially batting, when to hit, how to hit, how to chase? how to avoid run outs etc. England is way behind in odi cricket from other countries.

Posted by Craptastic on (September 16, 2013, 22:58 GMT)

and 44 days until England play WA in Aus! While Aus are in India! Does anyone else think that's crazy!!

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 22:57 GMT)

All in all, a horrid series from England's point of view.

Posted by Shaggy076 on (September 16, 2013, 22:49 GMT)

Some fans have short memories, Hughes was outstanding in Australia then plays one game here and everyone wants him sacked. Voges has not had the best series but he one us a couple of games by himself in the latest series. As for Wade, there is not much point picking Haddin as we all know what he can do and at this stage Payne has not re-discovered the form he had prior to being out of the game for 2 years with his injuries.

Posted by Peterincanada on (September 16, 2013, 22:43 GMT)

@Hatsforbats I hope you didn't put your money on that. England were never in it.

Posted by Mitty2 on (September 16, 2013, 22:36 GMT)

Well dome boys. Really needed this win for some confidence heading into the Ashes series down under. Everybody spoke of Aus forgetting how to win after choking in the fourth test (and rightly so), so the only positive - albeit small - way to go is just win games, regardless of format.

@steve, don't get us started. Lost us the last game, caused us to draw against SA in adeliade, tried to make us lose to SL, has single handedly made Lyon have a bowling average of over 30 when it should be on about Swann's level, and in India... He was catastrophic. There's not one series where he doesn't miss chances; whatever amount of runs hw may make, it will never make up for the amount of drops and missed stumpings he has. Paine, Neville, Hartley, Haddin all far superior.

Interesting to see that Eng have an Irish captaining, an Irish and someone from Barbados (correct me if i'm wrong) opening the bowling not to mention a saffa opening the batting. Some high depth in cultural diversity there!

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 22:31 GMT)

If Luke Wright is interested, there are quite a few struggling club teams here in Norfolk that might appreciate his services. They just ask him simply to improve on three areas first: his batting, his bowling, and his running between the wickets.

Posted by PFEL on (September 16, 2013, 22:05 GMT)

Just as I said last time, this England's team selection is atrocious and they should not have felt "vindicated" by a fortunate win in a match that was basically decided by the toss. You can't go into an ODI against Australia with 2 bowlers and a Tredwell.

Posted by seniorgators on (September 16, 2013, 21:37 GMT)

Well done to Australia on taking out the One Day series. Well that's the summer over in the Old Dart. Oz won the One Day trophy, England the Test series and it was 1 all in the 20/20. To break the deadlock the ICC has gone back to the 20/20 series and with Oz having the superior overall run rate, ICC have awarded the overall total cricket series to Australia. Fitting really given the weather and the umpiring both worked in England's favour. Well played England though - not far off the mark although the challenge will now be to try and be that bit more competitive in Australia's back yard. Well that's all from me till Brisbane. I just need to have minor surgery to remove my tongue from my cheek! Ozzie, Ozzie, Ozzie. Oi, Oi, Oi.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (September 16, 2013, 21:37 GMT)

Australia won-okay, but what was the real verdict? England's voyage of discovery and the early dawning of the future proved highly successful, thank you. Quite frankly the future looks bright... very bright!! Well done to the selectors for daring! That eight wickets were shared by Jordan and Stokes with both bowling consistently in the high eighties and Rankin proving once more a handful has to be a big positive. The whole look of this side was exciting and if part timer Root had not been given one more over by Morgan, who looks a man in charge of himself and well able to lead from the front, the target might have been a whole heap easier.. Wright might have been a better otion. but that's life. For the rest it was all a bit cold and really it is getting autumnal now. Pity about the washed out games. Goodbye Australia-see you so soon again!!

Posted by Shan156 on (September 16, 2013, 21:30 GMT)

Well deserved win for Australia. They were the better team over the series.

Hopefully, this result will force Giles and the selectors to change the make-up of the team. 3 regular bowlers plus one allrounder plus 2 who can bowl a bit (Bopara and Root) is a recipe for disaster. Today, we saw Tredwell struggle and Root had to bowl more overs and look what Watson did to Root in his 6th and final over? 4 regular bowlers is a must if England want to win. It looks like as if they are not confident of their batsmen or bowlers. With this team, England will find it difficult to win against teams ranked below them leave alone India and Australia.

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 21:21 GMT)

@HatsforBats..Good call on England getting those runs easily..you sure know your stuff!!

Posted by Patchmaster on (September 16, 2013, 21:13 GMT)

Yet again, Bopara lack of intent put too much pressure on other batsmen - he simply doesn'y play for his team mates. Sure, a run a ball 60 is great, but not in this match - the run rate was over seven an over when he came in, and at no point did he look to reduce that. Terrible batting.

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 20:49 GMT)

@PrasPunter Why shouldn't Voges be in the team. Have you seen his career stats? Average 50 and S/R 88. Don't know why you wouldn't want him in the Australian side ATM.

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 20:38 GMT)

Despite that partnership, this is an incredibly one-sided match. Ah well, at least it's nearly over and Australia can take away their consolation one-day trophy.

Posted by cricpanther on (September 16, 2013, 19:42 GMT)

you always know, Shane Watson Hammered Runs, but you never know when England Collapses on all dept!!

Posted by cricpanther on (September 16, 2013, 19:39 GMT)

Well Done Watson!! Watson should be the Captain Australia, selectors please see Watson as Captain!! On the other hand, Eng is disappointing most of the times, Eng, Pak, Zim, similar situations...No Good Batting!!

Posted by eggyroe on (September 16, 2013, 19:23 GMT)

Looks like with Shane Watson,has done enough at the end of the Test Matches and the Mickey Mouse 1 Day games to become lodged in the selector's mind,to allow him to be considered for the coming Ashes in Australia.Then of course we then have to allow for certain players at the top of the batting order who think that they have the God given gift that they are never out,but are allowed the privilege at the top of the innings to use a D.R.S.Review.If they use one up for personal gain then so be it,but surely this has to be at the detriment of the collective team effort,and surely the team result is the ultimate and team member's are purely incidental and can be replaced at any time irrespective of stature and past perfomances

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (September 16, 2013, 19:12 GMT)

KP channels Inzaman Ul Haq when he's on strike for start of overs and Usian Bolt on the last ball LOL

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 19:11 GMT)

Bopara looks as fluent and difficult to contain as ever [sic].

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 19:01 GMT)

Oh my, it just gets from bad to worse for England. Luke Wright: can't bat, can't bowl, and now we discover, can't run. What was going on? A dive and a bit of effort at the beginning of that run would have got him in. He was just sightseeing. There was a run there had Wright sprinted like he should have done. Morgan was very quick to call. Wright was docile and not paying attention. Now we've got Bopara. Whoppee.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (September 16, 2013, 18:55 GMT)

Joe Root has been way out his depth with ball and bat looks like a rabbit in headlights v Johnson worrying for Ashes and his footwork makes Sehwag's look like Lara . . .

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 18:51 GMT)

What an utterly appalling shot from Joe Root. What on Earth was he doing? He played one of the worst innings in an ODI that I've ever seen. Morgan's our only hope now.

All out for 180 probably.

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 18:46 GMT)

Thank God that Carberry's out now. That was torturously slow. Very much like Ravi Bopara that for every good shot he played, he chewed up and wasted a load more balls. A lot of runs came off edges past the hopeless Wade - very unconvincing. Not the best of series for him here - there isn't much time for grit and stonewalling when you're chasing 300.

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 18:45 GMT)

good play watson

Posted by Garp on (September 16, 2013, 18:05 GMT)

One thing for sure the future is not bright for England once the main bowlers start bowing out. The bowlers used for this ODI series are horrible, going for 7 or more an over is shambolic! Where do the selectors get these cricketers from? are they pulling names out of a hat or something?

Posted by HatsforBats on (September 16, 2013, 17:40 GMT)

Another poor batting collapse by Australia, they were looking good for 350+ for a while. A very poor dismissal by Clarke, absolutely no need to force those shots in the 32nd over. This is far from a settled side (for either team really), I'd like to see Voges dropped for good, his batting is just not up to scratch, and Wade's one good quality (his batting) seems to have deserted him. Excellent bowling again by Rankin. Stokes figures are flattering in the end, an excellent delivery to get Wade but very average (& expensive) aside from that. The track looks excellent, I'm backing England to chase this easily.

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 17:27 GMT)

Just damage limitation from England's bowlers at the end of that innings, I think. As an England fan, I think Australia are still well on top - runs on the board and don't forget - we've got Bopara in our ranks, who cannot run between the wickets and gifts chances behind the stumps to the ever-hapless Matthew Wade.

Australian fans: why is Matthew Wade in the team? Both Haddin and Paine are twice as good as wicket keepers, and while Paine is widely acknowledged to be a lesser batsman, his ODI stats are actually far better than Wade's.

PS: Joe Root's over to Watson was the worst I've ever seen at international level. Rankin was excellent again. Good on Jordan (who I slated before this series) and Stokes, but Watson was too good for them today.

Posted by PrasPunter on (September 16, 2013, 17:24 GMT)

what on earth does Wade, Voges and Hughes doing in this team ? Pathetic stuff from Voges !! All he manages to do is waste balls and pile up the pressure on the batsman at the other end. !! Clarke and Watson are pure class, the rest - the less said the better.

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 17:18 GMT)

It was like Morgan was dreading to bowl the spinner in all these games. Why do England feel they have to play one in every game, especially when Root will be there anyway.

Posted by mzm149 on (September 16, 2013, 17:12 GMT)

What an innings by Watson. At one time 350 was looking quite gettable but due to careless behavior of Bailey and poor shot selection by Clarke, Australia could not get there. Still 298 is quite a good score, but due to easy batting conditions this match seems to tilt in any direction.

Posted by TheBigBoodha on (September 16, 2013, 17:11 GMT)

Can't believe we lost 6/80 odd In twenty overs against that attack after being 3/220. Stokes barely bowled a decent delivery, yet picked up 5 wickets - all from terrible shots. How can this team just repeatedly keep throwing away unbeatable positions again and again and again? Forget coaches. They need a psychologist. They should have gotten 350 after the position they were in in the 30 th over.

Posted by luvindia on (September 16, 2013, 16:58 GMT)

@TheBigBoodha - I have seen same thing in 2011 India v Eng ODI series in Eng. Whenever Ind has upper had rain arrives. India whitewashed in Test by Eng team. India lost ODI due to Eng weather.

Posted by xtrafalgarx on (September 16, 2013, 16:41 GMT)

Get off Watson's back people! In a good team he would be a perfect fit at no.6, can get hundreds and bowl a few, what more could you want? Well played Watto mate.

Posted by TheBigBoodha on (September 16, 2013, 16:36 GMT)

Some great and sloppy cricket here from Australia. After the great stuff from Watson and Clarke, Bailey comes out and tries to close up shop. All he did was take the pressure off England. A self-fulfilling obsession realised - created their own collapse. Why not just keep attacking? Almost every wicket was self-termination. Why?

Posted by xtrafalgarx on (September 16, 2013, 16:07 GMT)

We always find a way to hand Joe Root a wicket, so annoying. Carelessness by bailey there, second time this winter he has gotten out due to not being fully focused (first time was the sri lanka run out). Very annoying indeed....

Posted by paraslodaya on (September 16, 2013, 15:56 GMT)

WAKE UP!!!!!!!! Australian selectors what have u done team like australia who dominated the world cricket for over a decade. Hughes should be dropped and so must be wade. If selectors give one more chance to phil its understandable.but at the movement wade must definately be shown the door right now.

brilliant inings from watto and clarke. it just determines the importance of senior players in the team to guide the team to victory along with youngsters.

ON the other hand brave decision by the english to drop trott to bring balance to side which till now in the series has looked unsettle.

keeping the fingers crossed and hoping australia wins a series . good luck clarke and co. hope they find a better side before going to india and give some tough competition to india who are looking very dangerous under the captaincy of MAHENDRA SINGH DHONI.

good luck KANGAROOS.

Posted by Jayzuz on (September 16, 2013, 15:38 GMT)

Maybe I did actually have a point, @Nick. Other than the break in concentration caused by the rain, the Aus batsmen have smashed it. Not sure You could say either of those balls by Stokes was a great delivery. And he's been going for 7 an over ever since.

Posted by Jaffa79 on (September 16, 2013, 14:53 GMT)

Jayzuz...do you ever stop whinging and complaining? Pitches, umpires, the weather anything else? Why can't you ever accept defeat? As an England fan, I had to put up with 15 years of beatings at the hands of the Aussies and I, along with all other Poms realised that you guys were just better. It is a shame that you guys are such bad losers.

Posted by TheBigBoodha on (September 16, 2013, 14:52 GMT)

Have England got a line to the man upstairs? I can't ever recall a summer of cricket like this. Looks like one team is dominating, but the other one gets fortuitous climactic interventions and a few nice umpires calls, and suddenly they get wickets/runs and win.

Sorry, but England looks to be bowling a whole heap of trash here, are still getting smashed, yet are in a decent position. It's confusing stuff indeed.

Can anybody else remember this happening so consistently for one team over an entire summer? Has it EVER rained when England have won a toss this summer? Given that this is England, and how often it has rained when. Australia has won the toss, this is an uncanny development indeed.

Posted by OZ_CRICKETLOVER on (September 16, 2013, 14:32 GMT)

Pippy has failed... once again my dear australian selectors.. please wake up.. please give the place to some one who is worthy !! and not to some mediocre batsmen and talking of wade.. i don't think he too deserves a place in the team

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (September 16, 2013, 14:25 GMT)

Impeccable timing there Jayzuz... Two quick wickets and nobody/nothing to blame except the Australian batsmen! Even the die-hard England fans have been dubious of Stokes being used a frontline bowler... and what does Matthew "I can't find a pair of gloves to fit me" Wade do? Leave everything up to captain Clarke AGAIN!

Posted by Jayzuz on (September 16, 2013, 13:49 GMT)

Australia win the toss and start smashing it everywhere and rain comes. Is anybody surprised anymore? This is now almost an unfeasible amount of bad luck this tour for Australia. How different would things have been if the washed out games had gone to their logical conclusion?

Posted by   on (September 16, 2013, 13:11 GMT)

So now it's clear. Jamie Overton was apparently picked merely to deprive Somerset of his services for two crucial Championship games. Perhaps if Somerset are relegated, Ashley Giles has an assurance that Jos Buttler will sign for Warwickshire... Just saying...

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