West Indies v Australia, 2nd Test, Port of Spain April 14, 2012

Lance Gibbs tells Lyon to develop vigorous follow-through

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Lance Gibbs, the West Indies offspinner who once held the world record for Test wickets, has suggested a more vigorous follow-through after delivery as an area in which Australia's offspinner Nathan Lyon should develop after watching him in action during the first Test against the West Indies at Bridgetown.

Lyon and Gibbs spoke in St Lucia earlier in the tour, but at that point Gibbs had not yet seen the younger man ply his trade in a Test. Having observed the five days of the match at Kensington Oval, won so dramatically by Australia on the final afternoon, Gibbs told ESPNcricinfo a certain snap was missing from the conclusion of Lyon's action.

"In the finish of his action he needs to cut his body in half as much as he can, give it everything with each delivery," Gibbs said. "His line and length is quite good, I could not judge too much about how he varies his pace, but in the finish of his action he seemed to be lacking something.

"On the fifth day of the game you should see something as far as spin is concerned, but he didn't really beat the bat, though he should have been spinning the ball away from the left-handers. If you're really giving it everything with your whole body, then you're going to see more spin."

Lyon managed figures of 1 for 113 in 42 overs at Bridgetown, returning only the wicket of Kemar Roach for his efforts. However, his analysis was no worse than that of the West Indies legspinner Devendra Bishoo, who also claimed only one wicket for the match and was hit out of the attack on the final day, as the part-time finger spin of Narsingh Deonarine was preferred.

Mindful of Trinidad's tendency for sharp turn and variable bounce, the West Indies selectors have bolstered their spin options by recalling the offspin of Shane Shillingford, who Gibbs said would spin the ball harder than Lyon while also varying his pace. Australia must also consider the option of playing the left-arm orthodox Michael Beer as a second spinner, a ploy not resorted to even on the dustbowl of Galle against Sri Lanka last year when Lyon debuted.

At times in Barbados Lyon's front arm did not seem to be leading off his action as strongly as it has on earlier occasions, while other observers have wondered whether his approach to the wicket is too straight. Earlier in the summer, Arthur had said he was working with Lyon on bringing his point of delivery a little closer to the stumps, to accentuate his drift away from the bat.

Nevertheless, Arthur and the national selector John Inverarity have both expressed happiness about how Lyon is developing. Arthur said that there remain areas for Lyon to improve, but all would follow given time, offering the reminder that the Adelaide-based offspinner is still a novice in terms of first-class experience.

"I'm really happy with where Nathan's at, he's worked extremely hard," Arthur said. "There's little facets of his game he needs to keep developing, and like any player in our side they've all got little facets that we're continually working on. He needs to do that, but he's a very good finger spinner.

"We must also realise he's only played 20 first-class games and I think 12 of them have been Test matches, so he's still learning his art in the toughest form of the game. He's going to be a very good spinner. We just have to keep monitoring Nathan, but I'm very happy with where he's at."

Edited by Kanishkaa Balachandran

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • POSTED BY JM_RSA on | April 16, 2012, 14:29 GMT

    Some people need to relaxe, Lance Gibbs is a legend of the game that is offering advice for Lyon to improve

  • POSTED BY Rooboy on | April 16, 2012, 13:54 GMT

    Geez some people need to remember Lyon has still not even played twenty first class games in his career. He's not gonna replace Warne but no one ever is. However if he can keep his average around 30 (especially given he will play half his games in Aus where conditions certainly don't favor offies) and keep things economical, he'll be doing his job. And that's what he's done so far. @front-foot-lunge - have you even seen Lyon bowl? Doesn't sound like it. @hhillbumper - yeah Hauritz was way better, as evidenced by his poorer test and first class averages. @jamesthewalldravid - don't comment on what you don't understand. Hate is a strong word and most Aus fans didn't hate murali, they just didn't respect him. Look at the reception he got from the Aus crowd when he played the tsunami appeal game at the MCG ... that's not hate. His continual whining and threats to boycott Aus (not to mention dodgy action!) didn't endear him to Aus crowds, but it's ridiculous to say it was hatred

  • POSTED BY zenboomerang on | April 16, 2012, 9:30 GMT

    @Beertjie... Haven't heard from you in a while?... Always well balanced thoughts on the game :) ... Re: O'Keefe - a bit like Finch, he had a few problems that niggled him early in the season & then managed to badly split the webbing in his bowling hand... It just wasn't a good season & hopefully he just shrugs it off & gets back on his bike... Time will tell...

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 15, 2012, 23:37 GMT

    @Wefinishthis - I'm a big O'Keefe fan. However, SO'K for one reason or another, did not have a great Shield season this year. Dunno whether it was increased responsibilities, something amiss in the NSW dressing room, or just out of form - who knows. I must say that whilst he took more top order Pommy wickets than the rest of our spinners did, & he should of had the next crack at the Poms BEFORE Beer did, he didn't actually "run thru the Poms". He had a very good allround match, in an environment that suggested he could replicate things in a Test situation. As for Beer, I hoped he'd never get selected for Oz again after he got hammerred by an Indian development side for about 9 rpo about 9 mths ago. Since then though, his form has looked reasonable, & his FC stats have improved a lot. As for Lyon, he is way better than you think, & I think is a better spinner than SO'K (that's not to say SO'Ks superior batting wouldn't put him ahead IMO).

  • POSTED BY Beertjie on | April 15, 2012, 12:15 GMT

    @Dubious, Cam Boyce doesn't aspire to be Warne or even McGill, but he is the best we've got for the near future - he may be ready for the Ashes in Australia in 2013-14, but I woudn't take him to England for that battle. Lyon needs to work hard in the future, as does SO'K who could find a place as an all-rounder if he can put last season behind him, get good advice and work hard. However, we don't need another Steve Smith!

  • POSTED BY mukesh_LOVE.cricket on | April 15, 2012, 11:18 GMT

    Lyon definitely has some talent , given the fact that guy has hardly any serious first class experience he has done well , and credit to Australian selectors for not dropping him , good luck to him

  • POSTED BY Wefinishthis on | April 15, 2012, 11:11 GMT

    Lyon's biggest problem is that he is standing in the way of an actual spin bowler (who can bat as well) call Steve O'Keefe. Beer is just.. well.. an absolute joke of a bowler, plus he's only got a few years left anyway. Lyon is only good when the conditions and opposition suit him, otherwise he's a waste of runs. Warner and Clarke are better bowlers than Lyon. Ridiculous that O'Keefe was shunned during the ashes after he ran through England's batting lineup in a warmup game. We'd still be no.1 if the selectors took my advice.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 15, 2012, 10:34 GMT

    @JamesTHEwalldravid - enough mate! I acknowledged that Murali was still a fine bowler - end of story! As for Saqlain - he was brilliant but his form dropped off, you may wish to say it was because of his knees, but his form tailed away at about the same time batsmen realised that there was a difference in his technique when he bowled the doosra. Saqlain was a great offie, probably the godfather of the doosra & should be acknowledged accordingly - however, GOOD batsmen worked him out! @AKS286 - yes, yes Beer is the best, Beer is the best! Boring!

  • POSTED BY JamesTHEwalldravid on | April 15, 2012, 8:36 GMT

    @ Meety Murali never got "found out", he was a threat till the end. He was not that good in Aus which has always been a tough place for off spinners. Add to that the hate he received there from fans, players & umpires was just unsportsmanlike and just not cricket. He was not great in India, but did better than Warne. This whole thing of having been found out is untrue. Same goes for Saqlean Mushtaq, for some reason people think he got "found out", but the truth is that he had serious problems with his knees. He played in pain throughout his career and The PCB did not do anything to help him when the injury first occurred. It was after he started playing county cricket that some level of help and relief was given to him. At the end of his career the damage to his knees started affecting his game dramatically. He no longer had that bite and lacked pace because he could not put his body into delivering the ball. He had two knee operations and could no longer play at the highest level.

  • POSTED BY Dubious on | April 15, 2012, 8:01 GMT

    @hhillbumper--no, both Hauritz and Lyon are New South Welshmen who now ply their trade for other states. About time other Australian states started pulling their weight I reckon. Steve O'Keefe is from New South Wales too, as is Steve Smith but he's not really any good. Beer is a Victorian. Cameron Boyce, the young Queensland leg break bowler looks promising but Shane Warne he is not.

  • POSTED BY JM_RSA on | April 16, 2012, 14:29 GMT

    Some people need to relaxe, Lance Gibbs is a legend of the game that is offering advice for Lyon to improve

  • POSTED BY Rooboy on | April 16, 2012, 13:54 GMT

    Geez some people need to remember Lyon has still not even played twenty first class games in his career. He's not gonna replace Warne but no one ever is. However if he can keep his average around 30 (especially given he will play half his games in Aus where conditions certainly don't favor offies) and keep things economical, he'll be doing his job. And that's what he's done so far. @front-foot-lunge - have you even seen Lyon bowl? Doesn't sound like it. @hhillbumper - yeah Hauritz was way better, as evidenced by his poorer test and first class averages. @jamesthewalldravid - don't comment on what you don't understand. Hate is a strong word and most Aus fans didn't hate murali, they just didn't respect him. Look at the reception he got from the Aus crowd when he played the tsunami appeal game at the MCG ... that's not hate. His continual whining and threats to boycott Aus (not to mention dodgy action!) didn't endear him to Aus crowds, but it's ridiculous to say it was hatred

  • POSTED BY zenboomerang on | April 16, 2012, 9:30 GMT

    @Beertjie... Haven't heard from you in a while?... Always well balanced thoughts on the game :) ... Re: O'Keefe - a bit like Finch, he had a few problems that niggled him early in the season & then managed to badly split the webbing in his bowling hand... It just wasn't a good season & hopefully he just shrugs it off & gets back on his bike... Time will tell...

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 15, 2012, 23:37 GMT

    @Wefinishthis - I'm a big O'Keefe fan. However, SO'K for one reason or another, did not have a great Shield season this year. Dunno whether it was increased responsibilities, something amiss in the NSW dressing room, or just out of form - who knows. I must say that whilst he took more top order Pommy wickets than the rest of our spinners did, & he should of had the next crack at the Poms BEFORE Beer did, he didn't actually "run thru the Poms". He had a very good allround match, in an environment that suggested he could replicate things in a Test situation. As for Beer, I hoped he'd never get selected for Oz again after he got hammerred by an Indian development side for about 9 rpo about 9 mths ago. Since then though, his form has looked reasonable, & his FC stats have improved a lot. As for Lyon, he is way better than you think, & I think is a better spinner than SO'K (that's not to say SO'Ks superior batting wouldn't put him ahead IMO).

  • POSTED BY Beertjie on | April 15, 2012, 12:15 GMT

    @Dubious, Cam Boyce doesn't aspire to be Warne or even McGill, but he is the best we've got for the near future - he may be ready for the Ashes in Australia in 2013-14, but I woudn't take him to England for that battle. Lyon needs to work hard in the future, as does SO'K who could find a place as an all-rounder if he can put last season behind him, get good advice and work hard. However, we don't need another Steve Smith!

  • POSTED BY mukesh_LOVE.cricket on | April 15, 2012, 11:18 GMT

    Lyon definitely has some talent , given the fact that guy has hardly any serious first class experience he has done well , and credit to Australian selectors for not dropping him , good luck to him

  • POSTED BY Wefinishthis on | April 15, 2012, 11:11 GMT

    Lyon's biggest problem is that he is standing in the way of an actual spin bowler (who can bat as well) call Steve O'Keefe. Beer is just.. well.. an absolute joke of a bowler, plus he's only got a few years left anyway. Lyon is only good when the conditions and opposition suit him, otherwise he's a waste of runs. Warner and Clarke are better bowlers than Lyon. Ridiculous that O'Keefe was shunned during the ashes after he ran through England's batting lineup in a warmup game. We'd still be no.1 if the selectors took my advice.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 15, 2012, 10:34 GMT

    @JamesTHEwalldravid - enough mate! I acknowledged that Murali was still a fine bowler - end of story! As for Saqlain - he was brilliant but his form dropped off, you may wish to say it was because of his knees, but his form tailed away at about the same time batsmen realised that there was a difference in his technique when he bowled the doosra. Saqlain was a great offie, probably the godfather of the doosra & should be acknowledged accordingly - however, GOOD batsmen worked him out! @AKS286 - yes, yes Beer is the best, Beer is the best! Boring!

  • POSTED BY JamesTHEwalldravid on | April 15, 2012, 8:36 GMT

    @ Meety Murali never got "found out", he was a threat till the end. He was not that good in Aus which has always been a tough place for off spinners. Add to that the hate he received there from fans, players & umpires was just unsportsmanlike and just not cricket. He was not great in India, but did better than Warne. This whole thing of having been found out is untrue. Same goes for Saqlean Mushtaq, for some reason people think he got "found out", but the truth is that he had serious problems with his knees. He played in pain throughout his career and The PCB did not do anything to help him when the injury first occurred. It was after he started playing county cricket that some level of help and relief was given to him. At the end of his career the damage to his knees started affecting his game dramatically. He no longer had that bite and lacked pace because he could not put his body into delivering the ball. He had two knee operations and could no longer play at the highest level.

  • POSTED BY Dubious on | April 15, 2012, 8:01 GMT

    @hhillbumper--no, both Hauritz and Lyon are New South Welshmen who now ply their trade for other states. About time other Australian states started pulling their weight I reckon. Steve O'Keefe is from New South Wales too, as is Steve Smith but he's not really any good. Beer is a Victorian. Cameron Boyce, the young Queensland leg break bowler looks promising but Shane Warne he is not.

  • POSTED BY AKS286 on | April 15, 2012, 7:48 GMT

    haha meety talks like a lawyer of LYON always with an excuse and silly worrds about swann "where is he when he was at the age 23", panesar is behind but he prooved in many matches (still struggling i agree).we want wickets and pressure from lyon not the exused logics about him.

  • POSTED BY gothetaniwha on | April 15, 2012, 6:07 GMT

    The thing that makes me laugh is even Clarke doesn't seem to rate him and only throws him the ball when the opposition are 7 or 8 down Against NZ he got the Great one Chris Martin all three times he batted .

  • POSTED BY warnerbasher on | April 15, 2012, 2:56 GMT

    the bloke is 24 and has played just 30 first class games. give him a break. I gurantee that he will be a better bowler at 33 than Swann is and have about 200 more test wickets.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 15, 2012, 0:24 GMT

    @PaddyRasta - I suppose the question must be asked - "Has anybody from the WIndies asked for advice from Gibbs". I've hardly heard a thing about Gibbs for 30 yrs, & he was (from an accumulated wicket taking point of view) the Murali of his day. @jmcilhinney - he's already ahead of Panesar! @Chris Sun, I agree that he needs a bit more variety, however teesra's & doosras only get poor players of spin out. Once Saqlain Mushtaq got worked out he struggled to buy a wicket, & Murali wasn't as effective, (still fine), against good players of spin once batsmen got onto him. @Front-Foot-Lunge - nice to hear from you again, there are only 3 regular current spinners in the Test world with averages better than Lyon, 2 are from Pakistan. Swann is a top class spinner - but where was he when he was 23????

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 23:55 GMT

    Several posters say Lyon has got talent ? Well so have I . Need I say any more !

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 23:04 GMT

    The truth is, Bishoo is not quite ready for test cricket. I think. with the right kind of help, he could be ready in 3 or 4 years. Right now he bowls a very high percentage of bad deliveries. Even lower order batsmen have a feast picking up easy runs from backward of point to cow-corner, from balls that are either too short, or too wide or both. Deonarine can also use some help. Seeing that he too is from Guyana, I'm surprise that Sir Lance hasn't taken both of these guys under his wings to give them that much needed help with their chosen craft. Who knows, may be they have a similar attitude as some other Windies former players. I once heard that Sir Garry had offered his unsolicited help to {Jamaicans) Gayle or Hinds or both, and was promptly rejected. I still think Benn is the best of the slow bowlers in the West Indies, but he seems to be out of favor with the selectors. I couldn't see Australia surviving on the 5th day at Kensington Oval with Benn getting bounce and turn.

  • POSTED BY PaddyRasta on | April 14, 2012, 22:33 GMT

    @ Peter Norton I am not questioning Gibbs wanting to help young spinners, but charity begins at home. He is providing free advice. These former WI greats could go a long way to advising young Bishoo, Narine, Shillingford and others and also provide inspiration and motivation to aspire to become the best. If Lyon now quickly uses the advice and e.g. takes 10 wickets in the T'dad Test, Gibbs would have done a diservice to his countrymen. There may however be a problem with this - Gibson not letting anyone else come in, give advice and then be given due credit as he is the bowling coach.

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | April 14, 2012, 22:01 GMT

    world class spinner.Shame about Lyon though.Couldn't spin a plate

  • POSTED BY OzWally on | April 14, 2012, 21:04 GMT

    @Nadeem Ur Rehman. Lyon actually outbowled Ashwin in the last series against India. Both played 3 tests, Ashwin did take 2 more wickets, but at an average of 62 compared to Lyon's 41 and Ashwin's strike rate was 112 compared to Lyon's 81. Not a superstar agreed, but better than anything the "hot bed" of spin bowling could come up with.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 20:18 GMT

    This fellow doesn't look the part yet. Perhaps with more exposure at Test level, he will. Looks a little timid too. I don't know, could just be me. Why would Gibbs be giving tips to the 'enemy' during a Test Series? I'm all for the spinning fraternity exchanging notes, offering advice etc. but not during an important series especially for the team for which Gibbs starred for years. Aussies had a chap named Hauritz, what ever happened to him?

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | April 14, 2012, 17:46 GMT

    absolute world class. Shame that he retired nearly 40 years ago.he would still out bowl Lyons now. Warne must seem like a distant memory. Just shows what a total freak he was.Good fun though listening to all those people telling us how good he is.Hauritz was better. Did he come from the wrong state?

  • POSTED BY jafarkhan on | April 14, 2012, 17:05 GMT

    best of luck WI for next Test i want WI the world NO1 team ... please WI Produce the player like Walsh .. Ambrose and Lara

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 16:52 GMT

    Incidentally those mentioning Ajmal or Swann should recognise that Gibbs was a totally different class and they will never overtake him.

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | April 14, 2012, 16:24 GMT

    Lyon is clearly not an international-class spinner (like every other spinner since Warne), and this is a fact that most Australian fans accept. Their long quest to find Warne's replacement has taken them from hard-fought battles to the realms of complete humiliation in recent years, but it's obvious that Lyon is one of the worst spinners that Australia have fielded in a long time. He doesn't turn the ball, surely a requirement for a spinner, and never takes top order wickets. Shall I start a comparison with Swann or save Australian fans from pain. I'll be nice....

  • POSTED BY Damo_s on | April 14, 2012, 15:51 GMT

    Lyon will be easy pickings for any world class batsmen because he is average at best. Perhaps he may improve with experience but I dont see him ever being a game changer like Swann or Ajmal.

  • POSTED BY AKS286 on | April 14, 2012, 15:50 GMT

    beer is the world class spinner.

  • POSTED BY SamRoy on | April 14, 2012, 14:55 GMT

    @RandyOz Let's see whether he lasts 5 years without being dropped from the test team for a series. Has talent but not good enough against quality batsmen on a decent pitch.

  • POSTED BY jonesy2 on | April 14, 2012, 14:40 GMT

    given the time lyon will develop into at least a world class spinner, once he gets there which could be as soon as in the next few months, he could become anything

  • POSTED BY naveenpnayak on | April 14, 2012, 14:18 GMT

    I dont see any specialty in Lyon's bowling.. W.I have a good spin attack. All the teams have improved with their spin department other than Aussie.. I like the way Doherty balls.. It would be great to see Warne as the bowling coach for the Australian Cricket Team. I would also like to see Hydo replace Langer as their Batting coach..

  • POSTED BY Dadu786 on | April 14, 2012, 14:07 GMT

    Bishoo has same problem, he leaks runs and not conssistant, he at least delivers short ball and good batsman put him eassily on backfoot to point region.

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | April 14, 2012, 13:41 GMT

    I feel sorry for Lyon. Having to learn to be a first-class spinner is tough and to have to learn while playing tests is doubly so. He's done well to come as far as he has in the circumstances. Props to Lance Gibbs for making a constructive suggestion as to how he can improve; Gibbs was a wonderful bowler in an era when seamers dominated.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 13:38 GMT

    australi need a specialist spinner i.e. who can take wickets. it was warne who caused a number of batting collapses and also wrapped up tailenders quickly. also, dont forget that a lack of good spinner cost australia 2011 world cup quarter-final. if they want to persist with lyon, he has to work even harder. warne, murali, kumble did not becoms what they are in a year and half.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 13:35 GMT

    Can't quiz that advice. If the great spinner says that the follow through is the problem, more than likely it is. He is the master at that game(off spin).

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 13:17 GMT

    Why do people persist in assuming that a specialist spinner is an automatic inclusion to the Australian, let alone any, Test side? Is it just me or do others think the addition of a "specialist" spinner, especially in the Australian team where Hussey and Clarke can bowl well on turning wickets, is a luxury we shouldn't feel compelled to take? Lyon and Hauritz average in the 30's, which in itself is hardly a compelling argument to give them a game. Unless he a proven matchwinner in the State team, I say drop him and add another specialist batter, or better still, someone like David Hussey who can bowl a bit.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 12:48 GMT

    Lyon will only be a superstar against inferior batting line ups and spin friendly pitches. He will never emulate Warne or Murali they are undisputed legends of the game. Batsmen will eventually find out how to bat to him then another potential Australian spinner will emerge from the domestic competition and displace him, unless Lyon can reinvent himself which Warne and Murali did. Gibbs' advice highlights the flaws that's stopping him from becoming a better bowler. If he irons these flaws, he'll get better with experience. He needs a variety of deliveries up his arsenal like top spinners, armballs, doosra, teesra and what have you. Warne had the top spinner, slider, flipper, wrong'un, zooter, the googly and the classical ripping leg break. Try filling those shoes.

  • POSTED BY Marcio on | April 14, 2012, 11:34 GMT

    Good advice, I'd say. I think the slectors are right to persist with Lyon. he's still very young for a spinner. Compare him to Swan, who didn't do anything till he was in his late 20s). I've seen Lyon bowl really well a few times, and despite what some have written on cricinfo comments, he can really turn the ball. He will have to improve and take a few wickets, though, to cement a spot in the team. BTW his economical bowling helped AUS win the test, as he dried runs up at one end in the second innings, even though he wasn't taking wickets.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 10:22 GMT

    As an Aussie I am stunned to read people referring to Lyon as a superstar. We're stuck with a 'superstar' obsession when it comes to spinners and I don't think we should be. Lyon looks, to me, like a solid if unspectacular offspinner which is really all we need. I'm not even convinced that he's really better than Haurtiz, but Lyon is still pretty new to the game and is only going to get better. We should definitely persevere with him, but it'd be silly to expect him to take out entire batting line-ups single handedly..

  • POSTED BY SDHM on | April 14, 2012, 9:51 GMT

    The problem for Lyon is that he's hardly played any cricket! He was thrown into the team after four matches, was it? So it's hardly surprising he's not the finished article. He hasn't had time to develop his action and learn what works best for him yet and I'm not necessarily sure that Test match cricket is the best place to learn your trade, certainly for an inexperienced spinner. If Australia are certain he's their spinner however, then he has to be given time to develop.

  • POSTED BY Behind_the_bowlers_arm on | April 14, 2012, 9:51 GMT

    I'd listen to the master Gibbs if i was Lyon. He is right that the finish for an off-spinner needs to be an aggressive movement to give the ball a rip rather than just float it up there. If this is to be a turner then Lyon needs to step up and deliver. Its a tough decision for Australia as it would be difficult to drop a fast bowler and its not as though Beer is a world beater or maybe even a better option than Clarke bowling more. I'd presume it would be Siddle to go if one is left out though i'm not terribly comfortable with that selection. Whatever happened to the fast bouncy true Windies wickets of days gone by? Appears we are finding ANOTHER sub continent style country for wickets. Surely it just takes some proper watering and grass growth to prepare a wicket rather than a dustbowl? Roach and Edwards and the Windies players who like to play shots would prefer faster truer surfaces. Very strange.

  • POSTED BY ravi_hari on | April 14, 2012, 9:46 GMT

    It is good to see seniors helping out younger players on improving the art they were masters of. We saw Akram doing it to Starc, Bedi doing it so often and now Gibbs to Lyon. It is a veryhealthy culture where these greats want the game to improve and their skill to be employed well. Lyon became a spinner by accident. It will take a long time for him to master the trade. He will do good to listen to such greats and mould his abilities accordingly. Today with so much technology avilable batsmen all over the world sort out bowlers very easily. Unless one develops variations and techniques to dismiss a batsman, the bowler will find it difficult to continue for long. Look how Bhajji is finding it difficult to take wickets even at domestic level. Keep leraning and changing so that you surprise the batsmen and fetch wickets. All the bes toLyon andmany such youngsters. Ravi

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | April 14, 2012, 9:15 GMT

    @RandyOZ, he'll have to overtake Warner as Australia's #1 spinner first.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 8:39 GMT

    PaddyRasta Lance Gibbs was one of the all time greats and at one tme the world's leading wicket taker. He clearly cares about young spinners whichever team they play for.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | April 14, 2012, 8:27 GMT

    Nathan Lyon is a future superstar so good on Gibbs for recognising this and giving him some advice. Come of Nath, show them what you're made of!

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 8:26 GMT

    great advice to the opposition. It is a pity that our WIBC will never properly utilize the likes of Gibbs, Richards, Sobers and Rohan Kanhai, arguably the best coach we ever had.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 8:23 GMT

    He is a below average spinner, no variety, nothing special...I am unable to understand why Arthur is saying that he is a very good spinner.he was the least successful bowler in their 4 test series against india (among bowlers from both the sides), and he continues to be the same against west indies...at the most, he is an ordinary off spinner, nothing special about him at all, and even after 5 years , he will still remain an absolutely ordinary and an average spinner...

  • POSTED BY zenboomerang on | April 14, 2012, 8:21 GMT

    @Nutcutlet... Yes, Laker was someone special & Lyon is still young enough to pick up many tips from those before him - including Gibbs... I think Lyon can grow much more if given the time... @PaddyRasta... Don't be confused - many dozens of Aussies coach, captain, train teams overseas - its all about sharing knowledge & making cricket a better sport to watch for everyone...

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 8:06 GMT

    Great advice from a master offie. Nathan Lyon is going to be a superstar. He needs time. Remember Warnie got smashed in his first game against India and and was allowed time to develop. When he first came into test cricket, Nathan was giving the ball a huge rip, now he is too slow in the air and off the pitch. However, like Mike Hussey, Michael CLARKE, Siddle, Rhino and Hilfy they have great test match temperaments. That buffoon Geoff Lawson dared to say that Lyon was a typical No. 11, well Lawson, 40 not out in a matchwinning partnership with Rhino, yep you know your cricket, not!! I would not change a winning side. If you bowl stump to stump and can do a bit with the ball, you will get wickets. The pitches in the Windies are slow low and ordinary. What's the deal with that? The players made this a great wicket, not the curator.

  • POSTED BY vrn59 on | April 14, 2012, 7:57 GMT

    Nathan Lyon has got a lot of talent, but he needs to start taking wickets consistently. It isn't easy for an offspinner to take wickets in Australia, but the WI have turning wickets where Lyon can be more effective. He has been given too many chances; it is now time for him to deliver. What I feel is that he tries to merely contain the bastmen (which is necessary), so that the fast bowlers can run in and attack from the other end without worrying about the economy rate too much. At least in these conditions, Lyon must try to play a more attacking role, by giving his deliveries some flight and turn and maybe by making a few technical changes like Lance Gibbs has suggested in this article. Australia need a match-winning spinner. Stuart McGill and Brag Hogg have performed decently after Shane Warne's departure, but someone like Lyon, or maybe even Beer or Doherty, needs to take over now.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 7:51 GMT

    I'm sorry but how is this news? Any coach would have told Lyons this as it's what we all teach kids.

    So the guy's performances and action were OK before but now he is struggling, it's his action?

  • POSTED BY KingofRedLions on | April 14, 2012, 7:50 GMT

    PaddyRasta - Spin bowlers tend to help each other out, no matter their team.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 7:34 GMT

    We cannot take Nathan Lyon out of the side. I agree we can use beer on occasion, for bowling not drinking. Since Warne has left they have changed the spinner to often once they fail. There needs to be some leeway given. Now he is in the big league he will improve dramatically as long as he is given time. I totally agree with you @jonesy2 with the paceman. There has to be some kind of rotation for all the quicks young and old. We need the more experience to stay around a little more longer to guide the young talent that is coming through. Overall I think the advice given was spot on. I hope Lyons can take this into the next test.

  • POSTED BY Nutcutlet on | April 14, 2012, 6:38 GMT

    See previous post >Erratum: It should be "finishing below left hip". That'll teach me to make comments before coffee!

  • POSTED BY jonesy2 on | April 14, 2012, 6:01 GMT

    its funny when your high profile youre going to get a top story about nothing really. i reckon beer and lyon should both play in the next test, they need to start a rotation policy with the quick because there is just too many superstar fast bowlers not getting games and when a spinner needs to come in they need to be in the middle of a rotation

  • POSTED BY PaddyRasta on | April 14, 2012, 5:53 GMT

    I am a bit confused. Has Gibbs been hired as a consultant to the Australian team? If not, then why is he giving advice to the opposition? Surely, he should be working with Bishoo and Shillingford. Are WI not already one down with 2 to go?

  • POSTED BY Nutcutlet on | April 14, 2012, 5:44 GMT

    Lyon is Australia's #1 Test match spinner, but not the finished article, as Lance Gibbs constructively points out. Speaking of an offie's follow-through, I wonder if Nathan Lyon has seen that memorable & instructive photo of the immortal Jim Laker in his: left leg braced, upright and arm/hand finishing below the right hip? Laker's spinning finger frequently got raw with all the bowling he did - something that NL is probably spared!

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 5:10 GMT

    Beer needs to come in..........

  • POSTED BY Percy_Fender on | April 14, 2012, 4:52 GMT

    This is good advice for all spin bowlers, young and old.

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  • POSTED BY Percy_Fender on | April 14, 2012, 4:52 GMT

    This is good advice for all spin bowlers, young and old.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 5:10 GMT

    Beer needs to come in..........

  • POSTED BY Nutcutlet on | April 14, 2012, 5:44 GMT

    Lyon is Australia's #1 Test match spinner, but not the finished article, as Lance Gibbs constructively points out. Speaking of an offie's follow-through, I wonder if Nathan Lyon has seen that memorable & instructive photo of the immortal Jim Laker in his: left leg braced, upright and arm/hand finishing below the right hip? Laker's spinning finger frequently got raw with all the bowling he did - something that NL is probably spared!

  • POSTED BY PaddyRasta on | April 14, 2012, 5:53 GMT

    I am a bit confused. Has Gibbs been hired as a consultant to the Australian team? If not, then why is he giving advice to the opposition? Surely, he should be working with Bishoo and Shillingford. Are WI not already one down with 2 to go?

  • POSTED BY jonesy2 on | April 14, 2012, 6:01 GMT

    its funny when your high profile youre going to get a top story about nothing really. i reckon beer and lyon should both play in the next test, they need to start a rotation policy with the quick because there is just too many superstar fast bowlers not getting games and when a spinner needs to come in they need to be in the middle of a rotation

  • POSTED BY Nutcutlet on | April 14, 2012, 6:38 GMT

    See previous post >Erratum: It should be "finishing below left hip". That'll teach me to make comments before coffee!

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 7:34 GMT

    We cannot take Nathan Lyon out of the side. I agree we can use beer on occasion, for bowling not drinking. Since Warne has left they have changed the spinner to often once they fail. There needs to be some leeway given. Now he is in the big league he will improve dramatically as long as he is given time. I totally agree with you @jonesy2 with the paceman. There has to be some kind of rotation for all the quicks young and old. We need the more experience to stay around a little more longer to guide the young talent that is coming through. Overall I think the advice given was spot on. I hope Lyons can take this into the next test.

  • POSTED BY KingofRedLions on | April 14, 2012, 7:50 GMT

    PaddyRasta - Spin bowlers tend to help each other out, no matter their team.

  • POSTED BY on | April 14, 2012, 7:51 GMT

    I'm sorry but how is this news? Any coach would have told Lyons this as it's what we all teach kids.

    So the guy's performances and action were OK before but now he is struggling, it's his action?

  • POSTED BY vrn59 on | April 14, 2012, 7:57 GMT

    Nathan Lyon has got a lot of talent, but he needs to start taking wickets consistently. It isn't easy for an offspinner to take wickets in Australia, but the WI have turning wickets where Lyon can be more effective. He has been given too many chances; it is now time for him to deliver. What I feel is that he tries to merely contain the bastmen (which is necessary), so that the fast bowlers can run in and attack from the other end without worrying about the economy rate too much. At least in these conditions, Lyon must try to play a more attacking role, by giving his deliveries some flight and turn and maybe by making a few technical changes like Lance Gibbs has suggested in this article. Australia need a match-winning spinner. Stuart McGill and Brag Hogg have performed decently after Shane Warne's departure, but someone like Lyon, or maybe even Beer or Doherty, needs to take over now.