West Indies v Zimbabwe, 2nd Test, Roseau

West Indies eye sixth successive win

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March 19, 2013

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March 20-24, Roseau
Start time 1000 (1400 GMT)


Shane Shillingford celebrates the wicket of Malcolm Waller, West Indies v Zimbabwe, 1st Test, Barbados, 3rd day, March 14, 2013
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The Barbados Test between West Indies and Zimbabwe lasted just over seven sessions, with the hosts winning by nine wickets a few minutes after a forced lunch break on day three. If you didn't see the game, you would find it hard to believe that Zimbabwe dominated at least two sessions, and even had a reasonable shot at taking a first-innings lead. They had West Indies 151 for 6 after making 211, and it needed a game-changing knock from Darren Sammy at No. 8 to suppress Zimbabwe.

The visitors were competitive with the ball, barring the expensive legspinner Graeme Cremer, who was targeted by Sammy and Marlon Samuels. It is their capitulation with the bat in both innings that will bother Zimbabwe. They were 100 for 2 before collapsing to 211 in the first innings, and lasted 41.4 overs in the second, making 107. An apparent inability to survive even straightforward offbreaks from Shane Shillingford and Samuels led to Zimbabwe losing as many as 13 wickets to spin, nine of them to Shillingford alone.

In the previous Test played at Roseau's Windsor Park, the venue for the second Test, spinners claimed 26 of the 40 wickets Australia and West Indies lost. Shillingford himself picked up a match haul of ten, Nathan Lyon followed with seven, and even Michael Clarke's part-time slow left-arm fetched him a five-for. Those figures show Zimbabwe have their work cut out, especially with Sammy saying the pitch for this match looked similar to the one on which his side had played Australia.

West Indies may be on their longest winning streak since 1988, but they will have reflected on their position in Barbados before Sammy bailed them out. Samuels and Shivnarine Chanderpaul, of all people, were guilty of throwing away starts. The opening partnership between Chris Gayle and Kieran Powell began with a 254-run stand against New Zealand in July 2012, but hasn't produced anything of note since then. A deflated Zimbabwe side, who have lost all internationals on this tour, could be a soft target for the West Indies batsmen to make amends.

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West Indies: WWWWW (Completed matches, most recent first)
Zimbabwe: LLLLW

Players to watch

The West Indies fast bowlers were a handful in Barbados, hitting the Zimbabwe batsmen several times with short deliveries. To their credit, the visitors did not back away but the quicks could easily have taken more than the seven wickets they managed between the three of them. Whether all three of them play in Roseau or not, they will come hard at Zimbabwe once again.

The tourists' captain Brendan Taylor has had scores on this trip of 8, 0 & 39 in the ODIs, 0 & 4 in the Twenty20s, 20 & 20 in the three-day tour match, and 26 & 6 in the Barbados Test. On the rare occasion he's got off to a start, he has not been able to convert it into anything substantial. The way he fell to Shillingford in the second innings in Barbados, stepping out early on, stopping midway, and nudging to forward short leg, showed confusion. He has one last chance to salvage something from a horror tour.

Team news

Barring injuries, the only decision for West Indies to make would be whether to include an additional spinner at the expense of the third fast bowler.

West Indies (probable) 1 Chris Gayle, 2 Kieran Powell, 3 Darren Bravo, 4 Marlon Samuels, 5 Shivnarine Chanderpaul, 6 Denesh Ramdin (wk), 7 Darren Sammy (capt), 8 and 9 Shannon Gabriel/Tino Best/Veerasammy Permaul, 10 Kemar Roach, 11 Shane Shillingford

Will Zimbabwe persist with Cremer? Or will they bring in the steadier offspin of Prosper Utseya, with so many left-handers in the West Indies top six? Will they tinker with the batting?

Zimbabwe (possible) 1 Tino Mawoyo, 2 Vusi Sibanda, 3 Hamilton Masakadza, 4 Brendan Taylor (capt), 5 Craig Ervine, 6 Malcolm Waller/Sean Williams, 7 Regis Chakabva (wk), 8 Prosper Utseya, 9 Ray Price, 10 Kyle Jarvis, 11 Tendai Chatara

Stats and trivia

  • This will be the third Test to be played at Windsor Park
  • In the last two years, West Indies have had only five fifty-plus opening partnerships

Quotes

"So far we have played five specialist batsmen and four specialist bowlers and we are looking to continue in that way."
Darren Sammy

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Posted by   on (March 20, 2013, 20:59 GMT)

@ ZCF_Outcast trust me i've grown up watching Warne and MacGill bowl Legspin its a very hard art to master but Cremer ( and Mushangwe ) have loads of potential and just need more experience and yes 12 months is a long time between tests if he plays 8 tests in one year you will see a big improvment !! Maybe if he spends time with Warney ?? Shane was always keen to help ot yong leggies !!!

Posted by LabMan on (March 20, 2013, 16:56 GMT)

We need to stop this debate about the selection of Sammy. The truth is there is no great distinction between the all rounders in the West Indies.Their might be an argument that some may be slightly more talented the others but none of them are outstanding or game changing. They are all in the same bracket and their selection or non selection wouldn't have much of an impact on the results of the game. What has made the difference is the leadership quality that Sammy has brought and the passion that was lacking in the past years, his ability to extend that passion to those around him. Unfortunately I am noticing the passion to win is waning a bit. We saw it Australia, the Bangladesh ODIs and even in this series. Maybe its an overconfidence thing or maybe its all the in fighting but we need to rally around the West Indies and continue our climb out of the doldrums

Posted by Lenniesahayi on (March 20, 2013, 13:55 GMT)

So going into this match we(Zim) have played 88 tests,won 9,drew 26 and lost-----(remainder).Hoping the state of life does not cripple our game to the extremes(if we are not there already).

Posted by ZCFOutkast on (March 20, 2013, 12:08 GMT)

@Kuda What are you talking about? Is it not the batsman's job to unsettle the spinner early in order to prevent him from settling down to a rhythm?

Pathetic spinners(Cremer, Tahir, Lyon & Doherty) fold, good ones don't! Utseya would have never crumbled like those four did in those respective situations, and in my opinion he's a far much better wicket-taker than the current Price!

It seems to me that Price can bowl two days flat and unless other bowlers do his job for him, the opposition would declare before they've gifted him a 2nd wicket. If the amount of runs he leaks in the field were to be added to his bowling then calling him economical would be rather generous.

Posted by   on (March 20, 2013, 10:19 GMT)

get 0ff sammys back he has proven to me at least hes a good alrounder and capt.

any how i like the combination of sammy and gibson the guys you should be after are sarwan who is so inconsistant as i have said before many times if he was australian he would be dumped he might have an average of 40 but what are his numbers against the top countries of the world.

Posted by   on (March 20, 2013, 9:45 GMT)

@ ZCF-Outcast, utseya is not a test bowler, i dont see him bowling wicket taking delivaries, he relies on economy which is quite useful in limited overs but not in a test context. Its better to stick with cremer, or try Mutombodzi, they have much promise. The only reason cremer was expensive is that WI knew if they let him settle he will give them trouble, he needs to find a rhythm and bowl with better control, his variations especially with the googly can be useful.

Posted by SNIFFLEATHER on (March 20, 2013, 9:42 GMT)

Once again, the selectors have missed a golden opportunity to blood a youngster. Delorn Johnson should have been drafted into the side, with Tino Best making way in the final XI. I wouldn't select two specialist spinners, despite the likely spin friendly track, but rely upon Shillingford, Samuels and Gayle for the slow stuff. The quicks can't possibly be as unlucky as they were in Barbados, so I doubt that Shillingford will have the opportunity to take quite so many wickets in this test. It should be another large margin of victory for the home side, but they need to dominate throughout this time and ensure an emphatic victory, taking the series 2-0.

Posted by DanD-Dan on (March 20, 2013, 8:56 GMT)

Pontiac is right. I really don't understand all the Sammy bashing. He is an all-rounder, and a good one. Of course he doesn't get the runs like a specialist batsman, nor the wickets that a dedicated bowler would. Still, he has a very respectable average for a low-order batter (better it seems than some of the Windies' unreliable 'specialist' batsmen), bowls with good economy and gets the occasional wicket. As Captain he seems to have finally gotten the Windies playing well and headed in the right direction. What more could you ask? I think it would be a big mistake to take him out. I've been following WI cricket for years and I well remember when "superior" players failed as captains. Being a good captain requires an intangible skill set that is harder to measure than batting or bowling, but is no less important for a team to succeed.

Posted by ZCFOutkast on (March 20, 2013, 7:56 GMT)

@Julian That was Cremer's second successive Test and Century conceded at over 5rpo. If he plays again the end result will be the same! I said it before, playing this Test would be his biggest mistake and the inevitable happened! We have a lot(Mushangwe & Mutombodzi) that's showing far more promiseand control than he did at the same age so let's stick to them! Even Maruma has similar potential with the ball but multiple time s more with the bat.

You may argue that there were 12 months in between, but a good bowler should be able to do something right 20 overs. Cremer did nothing right in 42 overs across both matches. If he hadn't bowled a single ball in the 1st Test, we might have had a chance!

You're right about Utseya in for Price. First piece of common sense I've bumped into...

Posted by ZCFOutkast on (March 20, 2013, 7:19 GMT)

@grahaam It's pontless to speak of Coventry in the ODI context. If anything what the BPL proved was that he'sturned into a glorified Piet Rinke - a gamble even in T20. We're best served by introducing a young Kasuza, or persisting with a younger Chibhabha who top scored for us from the middle order.

Why do you need Meth when Hami is there? Hasn't Mpofu recovered?

Posted by   on (March 20, 2013, 4:42 GMT)

Zim must stick with Cremer he has plenty of potential and he only needs more experience he has never had more then a couple of games in a row give him time and Zim will reap the rewards a good leg spinner = test wins!! For this match williams in for Chakabva ( taylor to keep wicket ) william has a good ODI record and adds some left arm spin not sure why he is constantly left out of the team!! Utseya in for Price ( Mushangwe would be better ) he's right arm off breaks could cause problems with so many lefties in the Windies top order plus he adds some batting!! No need for meth since pitch will spin plus Jarvis n Chatara bowled well With Williams @ 7 and Utseya @ 8 the batting order is much longer. But Zim selectors always have other ideas so lets see what they come up with :)

Posted by   on (March 20, 2013, 4:41 GMT)

Stop talking about this Bravo for Sammy nonsense ,it's ridiculous the first being the Bravo prefers to play T-20 cricket ,rather than tough it out for 5 days and his form in One Day cricket is horrendous for a player of such talent ,speaking of which ,Darren Sammy will never be in Bravo's league in a million years but he has made more use of his limited ability than Bravo has done with his ,and the stats show that !!!!!!! .Last thing to note ,Bravo as captain is a recipe for disaster,he is niether an economical bowler nor reliable batsman ,but he is a better fielder than Sammy ,so i guess we should pick a team of self centered individuals ,like Dwayne ,Darren and Tino and lose th plot of Test cricket ,which is to ultimately rise above personal and match situations , right ....utter rubbish

Posted by Phat-Boy on (March 20, 2013, 4:11 GMT)

Adkum, Sammy's stats do not tell you that he has averaged about 33 for the last 18 months in Test cricket, though admittedly his bowling average has been in the 40s in that time.

But why does he have to fit into either category? Not saying he's in the same league as these players but neither Chris Cairns nor Andrew Flintoff had a record good enough to be considered a specialist batsman or bowler (maybe Cairns' bowling at a stretch) but they were still worth their place in the side.

Sammy is improving with the bat every series he plays and even Brian Lara has come out in the last week and given him a ringing endorsement as captain.

Posted by   on (March 20, 2013, 3:24 GMT)

I have to agree with you RIDDYMON bishoo should not have been treated the way he is being treated, winning the ICC emerging player of the year award mean something. You dont win that award without having potential and talent west indies selectors are making a big miss take what they need to understand is that when other countries sees good players coming through they are going to target them and try to make sure they don't have any success whether its a batsman are a bowler look at even bravo from now on he going to have it hard when he play against top rank team they are going to target him they did it in England and Australia but you have to support them when they are going through times like this until they establish them self the same thing is going on with narine every country knows the danger he posies so they are going do everything to make sure he don't have any success against them on hope he get drop from the team, as a selector you have to know these thing

Posted by Riddymon on (March 20, 2013, 2:21 GMT)

@adkum and @rajkumar: He fits into neither category..he's an all-rounder. You guys don't get tiring of Sammy bashing? The dude does his job as a decent #7 through #9. Blame the failures of the W.I. team on the team as a whole and stop acting like replacing Sammy will make a huge difference. Their top order is spotty at best, their middle order is inconsistent except for Chanderpaul and their tail normally underperforms (but then they are the tail)...this has been Windies problem for a long time. His economical medium pace and consistent lower order scoring have helped to pull windies out of a number of jams in the past. As I said...stop acting like Sammy is the cause of all of Windies problems and replacing him will = more success for the team. Even with our strongest team in recent times with names like Lara, Gayle, Sarwan, Chanderpaul, Bravo...we still lost all of our games. Let's stop this silly "sammy is the problem" rhetoric everytime news of a Windies squad is released..

Posted by Pontiac on (March 20, 2013, 1:25 GMT)

Sammy as a bowler is the guy who who allows the other bowlers to bowl aggressively by bowling long cheap spells when needed. I think this team makeup is very good - Sammy lets all the other bowlers concentrate on attacking - the quicks can bowl in short fearsome bursts, the spinner can attack, and if the pitch requires boring the batsman into giving away the wicket, that's what Sammy does. He asks one question only: do you know where your off stump is? The other all-rounders are not as economical and consistent as he. He can soak up overs, which allows for tactics.

As someone else pointed out in a comment recently, since the end of 2011 Sammy has averaged over 30 in tests - maybe 35. That's significant. So while Sammy as the 4th bowler might not be good, Sammy as the 5th is a real asset if he maintains an average of 35 going forward. I just want to see him get a not-out in a Test!

Posted by Yuji9 on (March 20, 2013, 0:58 GMT)

I can't believe Denesh Ramdin keeps getting picked! I still haven't forgiven him for the TAL NAH VIV nonsense. A young keeper like Shane Dowwrich gets my nod ahead of Ramdin. 6 & 7 are the problem for Windies. Kieron Pollard's ODI century at Sydney actually confirmed that he was Test material. Sammy is described as a positive influence but he takes losing far too well and smiles and shrugs it off every time. Now Windies are aiming for six wins in a row but not against strong opposition. Players like Samuels and Dwayne Bravo have the experience to captain this side now and Chris Gayle adds to that leadership group. Sammy needs to step back and captain the T20/ODI sides. There are some exciting young Windies players around who should be blooded now and what can Shiv Chanderpaul gain by playing this series? My team for the future would be : Gayle, Powell, DM.Bravo, Samuels (c.), DJ. Bravo, Pollard/C. Hughes, +Dowrich, Best/J.Taylor, Gabriel/J.Holder, Roach/Beaton, Shillingford/Bishoo.

Posted by Albert_cambell on (March 20, 2013, 0:55 GMT)

Chatara shoulnt be playing test matches. How can a guy who bowls at 116 km/h can be in ur test team. I would pick Keegan meth into side. Also williams should come in for chakabva. Williams did a decent job when he was playing for Zimbabwe.

Posted by boxer44 on (March 20, 2013, 0:09 GMT)

@ Rajkumar Kamal please if u have nothing constructive to say stay off the site. Enough with the Sammy bashing, if u are a windies fan be thankful that we are finally winning.

Posted by   on (March 19, 2013, 23:34 GMT)

it has been a tough tour for zimbabwe . the lads have played well in spells for the entire tour. everyone had their moments but no enough performances in one game. They should stick to the guys who played the last game . they showed a lot of character in the first innings . after a years absence the team cannot just come out as world beaters. The skipper has had a tough tour but he shouldn't lose heart good players go through ups and downs and her is good enough to bounce back. Go Go zim l will be behind the team all the way in good times and bad times .

Posted by   on (March 19, 2013, 23:04 GMT)

Another win for WI here, but I hope Zim show a bit of fight and take it to the fourth and fifth day. Also does anyone know when the Windies will play Pakistan later this year?

Posted by   on (March 19, 2013, 22:06 GMT)

5 test wins against less than mediocre opposition ????? i still firmly believe we as West Indians have accomplished little.........its good to be winning yes but we are still perennial whipping boys......thank you Darren Sammy but its time you left........

Posted by   on (March 19, 2013, 21:52 GMT)

Zim must stick with Cremer he's got plenty of potential and just needs to get more experience plus the pitch will turn so no need to bring in meth stick with chatara n jarvis possibly bring in utseya for price ( should have kept mushagwe for tests ) and keep cremer then bring williams in for Chakabva ( taylor keeps wicket ) williams has a good ODI record and adds left arm spin dont know why he always out of the team !! with williams at 7 and utseya at 8 the tail is also shortened !!

Selectors hav to look at performances and make the right changes for the bangladesh series otherwise you guys willl lose they've just had 2 hard series against W.I. and SL so they'll be primed !!! bring back rainsford, Chigmbura coventry and giv querl a chance ( is there a reason why Querl is not selected ?? )

Posted by   on (March 19, 2013, 21:51 GMT)

I'm sorry I know this will offend a lot of people but you Sammy haters need to give up. The dude played a possible match changing innings and he has bowled well. Of course he isn't the tear away strike bowler but he is steady and he builds pressure. Besides which we were losing all the time before he became captain now we are winning and you are making noise that he isn't a batsam or bowler! Well he is a dedicated captain who deserves respect and breathing space. We've had so many star batsman but terrible captains. Give it a rest please. Let's go Windies!

Posted by   on (March 19, 2013, 21:35 GMT)

WestIndies is in a strong position to win any side, the opening pair should get theor act together.

Posted by VivGilchrist on (March 19, 2013, 21:08 GMT)

@adkum, WI were in trouble, Sammy top scores to set up victory, yet you still criticize the man?

Posted by Rally_Windies on (March 19, 2013, 20:54 GMT)

beating up on Zimbabwea and Bangladesh ....

if the WI was a real Test playing nation -- the main players would all be rested and would would have seen about 4-5 debutantes in these two Tests .....

Posted by ZCFOutkast on (March 19, 2013, 20:00 GMT)

Williams in Waller out, Maruma in Cremer out, Utseya in Price out, Mpofu in Craig stays thanks to Chakabva's injury

Tino, Vusi, Hami, Ervine, Taylor(wk), Williams, Maruma, Utseya, Jarvis, Mpofu, Chatara

Posted by Riddymon on (March 19, 2013, 19:56 GMT)

I know Windies have more spin options than they can shake a stick at nowadays but I would still love to see Bishoo come back into the side. I fail to understand how someone who was ICC emerging player of the year can get dropped from the Test side and fall to obscurity after one bad series. Nothing against Permaul...just think that Bishoo was treated unfairly there.

Posted by adkum on (March 19, 2013, 19:53 GMT)

Sammy said he has played 5 specialist batsmen and 4 specialist bowlers. I wonder which category does he fall in? His stats show him a dismal batter and a mediocre bowler. Of course he has had his fair share of sparle and showed some potential like any other test player. But while he is asking the team to show strength and to perform what is he doing to set the example. Is the odd good score and a steady economical bowling all it takes to command a place. WI is staying in company of Bangla and Zimbabwe in test rankings. If this is the measure of competence then WI can keep him forever and continue to give themselves a pat on the shoulder that we are doing fine - "Look how well we have done. Thanks to dear Sammy. He is indeed such a great guy.The best around." So we have to keep him on forever and ever more. I hope Hunte gets replaced and the new guy stop this nonsense of insularity in WI cricket.

Posted by   on (March 19, 2013, 19:32 GMT)

It's hard to judge whether W.I have turned a corner in terms of test cricket since their last three series have been against (in order) New Zealand, Bangladesh and now Zimbabwe. They have won their last five matches against these oppositions convincingly, but I don't want to pass any judgement until they play higher ranked oppositions.

Posted by   on (March 19, 2013, 19:31 GMT)

5 specialist batsmen and 4 specialist bowlers, 1 keeper...and sammy...where does he fit in? he scored runs in the last game, but aren't taking wkts. how do we class him? a batsman or bowler. time for him to give way for a younger player or even sarwan...or dwayne bravo.I think bravo will be the better player to replace sammy Quotes "So far we have played five specialist batsmen and four specialist bowlers and we are looking to continue in that way." Darren Sammy

Posted by grahaam on (March 19, 2013, 19:25 GMT)

Possible Zim XI cannot be right , no need for 2 spinners , Meht to replace Cremer or Price , leaving one spinner either Creme Price or Utseya. Willaims for Waller or Chakabva with Taylor taking the gloves if Chakabva misses out , Meth inclusion adds more swing to compliment that of Jarvis which was effective in the first Tes, and Meth can hold a bat. The balance improves and Williams adds a spin option, the batting goes deeper. Come on Zim selection, one last chance to show you care.Home series against Bangladesh will include Coventry and Chigumbura in 20 and 50 over matches , why were they not here for the limited over matches?

Posted by   on (March 19, 2013, 19:22 GMT)

The main problem is the Zambabwe batting. Unless the top order bats with responsibility, this one is ending in 4 days.

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