Australia v India, 2nd Test, Sydney, 4th day January 6, 2012

An embarrassing capitulation

India have returned to the dark ages of overseas tours, when the failures of their batsmen led to crushing defeats
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It is a measure of India's misery in Australia that at one stage of their second innings in Sydney the only point of interest was whether they would register their first 300-plus score of the series. And once that was achieved, through a few I've-got-nothing-to-lose blows from Zaheer Khan, the target shifted to 329, the score Michael Clarke mounted all by himself. That was chased down comfortably too, with R Aswhin striking a few of his own, but the jury was still out about who won this contest: after all the Indians hadn't dismissed Clarke.

The real story of the day was 4 for 15. A familiar collapse that sent hurtling towards despair a day that promised a fightback, a salvation of dignity if not prevention of defeat. At the lunch that the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust hosted on the fourth day, the chairman of the trust had hoped, with Sachin Tendulkar and VVS Laxman still at the crease, the match would be extended to the last day.

It is just as well that Cricket Australia doesn't budget for the fifth day in their final projections. In the end, those who had paid Friday's gate money might have been grateful that the last three Indian batsmen dragged the match to the last session. The Swamy Army, the group of Indian supporters whose numbers have grown remarkably since 2003, turned out to be wiser. A bulk of them simply didn't turn up.

Ishant Sharma hung around with Ashwin long enough to take the score past another significant landmark: 347, India's highest score in an away Test in the previous 12 months. And then, with a free-swinging hit that landed in the stands behind long-on, Ashwin took India past 364, their previous best in 18 away innings, registered in the last New Year Test in Cape Town. The last time they managed to reach 400 overseas turned out to be in an eerily similar Test to this one. Bowled out for 136 in the first innings, they conceded 620 to lose by an innings and 25 runs at Centurion in December 2010.

These numbers are useful only for one purpose: they are evidence of India's rediscovered wretchedness away from the subcontinent. The nucleus of this team still carries a group of remarkable cricketers who contributed massively to erase the painful memories of touring, and how it must hurt them to be part of this horror streak, which now seems interminable.

And for a proud bunch of players, nothing would sting more than this statistic: Not since 1968, not even in the hopeless era of the 1990s, which some in this ground have painful memories of, have India lost six away matches on a trot. Between 1959 and 1968 they had lost 17.

This must count as their most embarrassing loss in Australia for over a decade. The defeat at the MCG might have rankled for reasons that, with hindsight, would feel far more positive. The lament there was about an opportunity lost. In various stages of that match, India held positions from where victory could be contemplated. And play began on the fourth morning with all results apart from a draw still possible. At the SCG, apart from that burst when Zaheer Khan winkled out three left-hand, top-order batsmen, India were in a battle that got more uphill by the session.

It isn't unusual for teams to look a bit ragged when opposition batsmen pile up huge runs, but very few top teams can manage the look of utter desolation India acquire after a barren session. As at Centurion, Edgbaston and the Oval, every trace of competition went out of the Indians on the field once Ricky Ponting and Michael Clarke set their stall.

Energy and inspiration can create opportunities even on unresponsive wickets. The Australian bowlers managed to get more out of a third-day wicket last evening by coaxing more effort out of their bodies. After Ben Hilfenhaus had bent one more through Rahul Dravid's defences, James Pattinson and Peter Siddle found a higher gear to make the ball hurry and zip. With better catching and a bit of luck, they could have had India four down last evening.

That India managed only one wicket for over 600 runs was largely due to some magnificent batting from Clarke, Ricky Ponting and Michael Hussey. But it was also true that India were quick to abandon hope and wait for the mercy of a declaration. Apart from a brief period when Ponting was nearing his hundred, there seemed neither any purpose nor intent from the Indians on the field. Those in the deep hardly took a start, some didn't even pretend to put an appearance of a chase, and bowlers simply took the cue and went through the motions.

MS Dhoni remained the most energetic man on the field, sometimes chasing the ball to fine leg from his position as wicketkeeper instead of the man at square leg, but as a Test captain he remains guilty of letting himself be dictated to by the circumstances, rather than making something happen.

Dhoni has many exceptional qualities, and his composure in adversity remains his greatest strength, but flagging teams sometimes require a bit of fire and inspiration, and Dhoni has personified resignation. That he has many creaking and ageing bodies at his disposal doesn't make the job easier.

More than anything else, though, the batsmen have failed the team the most. This Test was lost on the first day, when India managed to get bowled out for 191 after choosing to bat. With hindsight it may seem the wrong choice, for the first two sessions were the friendliest for the bowlers. But it was the right choice in the circumstances: a trailing team must make the running, and there is no better way to set up a Test that posting a big score.

To a large degree the Indian batsmen have been caught unawares by the nature of pitches and the kind of bowling they have encountered. There was a quiet confidence among the senior batsmen that there would be no repeat of the serial disasters that befell them in England because the Australian surfaces - hard and true with minimal deviation - and nature of the Australian bowling - back of a length - have traditionally suited their style of batting, which often relies on hitting on the up and through the line.

But unlike on their previous two tours, the pitches this time have had a matting of grass and the Australian bowlers have bowled a yard fuller. These two factors combined to present the Indian batsmen the same difficulties they encountered in England. And so far, the results have been disturbingly similar for them.

Also, the score line reads exactly the same as it did at the same juncture in 2007-08. But four years ago, the Indian team carried to Perth a sense of injustice and anger. This time they will board the same flight in despair.

Sambit Bal is the editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY on | January 9, 2012, 5:34 GMT

    Everything said was true to the core....But there are some more...Riding on a blind horse is never going to take you anywhere... You only can expect the unexpected to happen. Dhoni might have more potentials within him, but the fact is that, he has no control over the so called legends in his team, similarly it seems that, he has not shown any great concern over the failures of others too. He should be more aggressive even if the team loose. If all the cricketers who has established well in the team over the years expect the favorable ground conditions and want to face only the bowlers whom they know very well in the field in all the away tours, then they should not have boarded the flight. If they feel that their mind & body could not handle the pressure, they themselves could have withdrawn at some point of time. We Indians expect more from all legends, we don't expect them to win every match,but expect them to fight, to have no give-up attitude.

  • POSTED BY Mitcher on | January 9, 2012, 4:53 GMT

    The absolutely scary thing should be for Indian fans that things are likely to get much worse. With no tours for two years, how will the new brigade who surely have to replace the big 3 in that time learn to play outside India? No doubt after a few home romps the fans will forget the reality but prepare for another crash. Also, SCG a grassy wicket?? There was A BIT there for the bowlers, nothing more. If it was so bad, why did India bat first?!?!? Classic excuses. You think SCG was bad, get ready for Perth. Nothing like the highway India were gifted in 2008.

  • POSTED BY mps400 on | January 9, 2012, 4:42 GMT

    I read a lot about how the Indian team is only formidable on subcontinental pitches, and how that means that there is a need to make wholesale changes to the team. A better mode of inquiry may be to address whether there is a need to do so, as it appears that each team (with perhaps the exception of the most inept sides) tends to develop sides that most favor their conditions. So, when Australia dropped two tests in India recently, what did that mean? Should Australia now develop dustbowls? Because England suffered an ODI whitewash, should that mean that square turners should be the order of the day in England?

    I do very well wish that the Indian team would succeed in foreign conditions, being an Indian fan. But to suggest that Indian batsmen or bowlers only succeed in home conditions and to make that seem like it is somehow an inadequacy is to somehow question the nature of the modern cricket (i.e., covered pitches, suited to home advantages).

  • POSTED BY fudgys11 on | January 9, 2012, 4:24 GMT

    Continued......Batsmen having difficulty in adjusting is not a big deal since they mostly get only one chance to make a mistake and then has to wait for the next innings. The bowlers on the other hand get 6 chances every over to cover their mistakes. Captaincy comes into play only when the team is fielding. That is where your mettle is shown. This series is being lost when India is fielding as Good oppurtunities are being lost on the field and bad field placements. This is all covered up in home series where the spinners are unplayable and everyone makes Dhoni a super captain, a complete no brainer. You have got to make things happen even with a mediocre bowling. Lets also not run down Tendulkar as he has made the maximum effort among the batsmen to atleast fight. Think out of the box : Let Dhoni be injured for a match and make Zaheer the captain. Anyway things could not go worse , might be a blessing in disguise. Make Seperate the captains for Test/One days

  • POSTED BY on | January 9, 2012, 4:09 GMT

    @ stormy16. Mate, I don't think that point holds. A country with such a large stock of players and such a huge cricket investment should never be short of talent. Further it is not just the pool of players that you need to rely on. The fact is that Indian players, in general, are physically no where near as fit as most of their opponents, especially Australia, South Africa, England and New Zealand. Add to that their lack of discipline and their frequent lack of preparation in foreign conditions, and there is always going to be a chance that things will go pear shaped the way they have. Australia have won the first two tests based mostly on sheer hard work and discipline - batsmen have left balls and played themselves in, and the bowlers have "maintained" a probing line and length. India should learn from this, but it appears they hardly ever do.

  • POSTED BY fudgys11 on | January 9, 2012, 3:59 GMT

    First of all remove Dhoni from Test captaincy. You cannot react to a situation in tests and expect things to happen. The opposite batmen are in no hurry to make things happen, fielding has to do that in a test. In One-days its the opposite. He seems to behaving, infact anybody will have, similar tactics for both. You need different captains with different mind sets. A Bowler would be a better captain since he always plots for the batsmen. Also its the easiest thing for Srikanth/Dhoni to state the obvious and say that batting has failed and the Australians have played well. Where is their contribution to buck the trend ? If they have nothing to contribute, they have no business to be there. Make anybody a captain/selector and after every defeat , the same obvious things could be said. You have got to make things happen. Make the opposition play to areas which gives you chance of getting their wickets. Poor field placements which doesn't make batmen take risk have no meaning.

  • POSTED BY SRT_GENIUS on | January 9, 2012, 3:00 GMT

    @stark-truth: Sachin will retire once he can ensure that Kallis can't get to his records. What's so complicated for you to understand here ? But VVS and Dravid must go now.

  • POSTED BY correctcall on | January 8, 2012, 21:04 GMT

    Now the odds are right will the Indians play for a win ?

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 19:42 GMT

    go and get some real fast bowlers, thats the only way India's overrated batting can actually start winning

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 19:25 GMT

    here we go again - cmon guys - even if India was shot out on the first day - our bowlers took 4 wickets - that is where the problem was - india scored 400 in the last innings and still lost. The match was lost when we could not dismiss Ponting and Clarke. Let us not get after VVS - he scored a fifty - what did our youngsters do - Sehwag is the most useless batsman with his wild shots and he has no idea about the situation - we wanted a good start but he is interested in whacking it in the air - we need more stable openers - sehwag must bat later if we want to win at perth !

  • POSTED BY on | January 9, 2012, 5:34 GMT

    Everything said was true to the core....But there are some more...Riding on a blind horse is never going to take you anywhere... You only can expect the unexpected to happen. Dhoni might have more potentials within him, but the fact is that, he has no control over the so called legends in his team, similarly it seems that, he has not shown any great concern over the failures of others too. He should be more aggressive even if the team loose. If all the cricketers who has established well in the team over the years expect the favorable ground conditions and want to face only the bowlers whom they know very well in the field in all the away tours, then they should not have boarded the flight. If they feel that their mind & body could not handle the pressure, they themselves could have withdrawn at some point of time. We Indians expect more from all legends, we don't expect them to win every match,but expect them to fight, to have no give-up attitude.

  • POSTED BY Mitcher on | January 9, 2012, 4:53 GMT

    The absolutely scary thing should be for Indian fans that things are likely to get much worse. With no tours for two years, how will the new brigade who surely have to replace the big 3 in that time learn to play outside India? No doubt after a few home romps the fans will forget the reality but prepare for another crash. Also, SCG a grassy wicket?? There was A BIT there for the bowlers, nothing more. If it was so bad, why did India bat first?!?!? Classic excuses. You think SCG was bad, get ready for Perth. Nothing like the highway India were gifted in 2008.

  • POSTED BY mps400 on | January 9, 2012, 4:42 GMT

    I read a lot about how the Indian team is only formidable on subcontinental pitches, and how that means that there is a need to make wholesale changes to the team. A better mode of inquiry may be to address whether there is a need to do so, as it appears that each team (with perhaps the exception of the most inept sides) tends to develop sides that most favor their conditions. So, when Australia dropped two tests in India recently, what did that mean? Should Australia now develop dustbowls? Because England suffered an ODI whitewash, should that mean that square turners should be the order of the day in England?

    I do very well wish that the Indian team would succeed in foreign conditions, being an Indian fan. But to suggest that Indian batsmen or bowlers only succeed in home conditions and to make that seem like it is somehow an inadequacy is to somehow question the nature of the modern cricket (i.e., covered pitches, suited to home advantages).

  • POSTED BY fudgys11 on | January 9, 2012, 4:24 GMT

    Continued......Batsmen having difficulty in adjusting is not a big deal since they mostly get only one chance to make a mistake and then has to wait for the next innings. The bowlers on the other hand get 6 chances every over to cover their mistakes. Captaincy comes into play only when the team is fielding. That is where your mettle is shown. This series is being lost when India is fielding as Good oppurtunities are being lost on the field and bad field placements. This is all covered up in home series where the spinners are unplayable and everyone makes Dhoni a super captain, a complete no brainer. You have got to make things happen even with a mediocre bowling. Lets also not run down Tendulkar as he has made the maximum effort among the batsmen to atleast fight. Think out of the box : Let Dhoni be injured for a match and make Zaheer the captain. Anyway things could not go worse , might be a blessing in disguise. Make Seperate the captains for Test/One days

  • POSTED BY on | January 9, 2012, 4:09 GMT

    @ stormy16. Mate, I don't think that point holds. A country with such a large stock of players and such a huge cricket investment should never be short of talent. Further it is not just the pool of players that you need to rely on. The fact is that Indian players, in general, are physically no where near as fit as most of their opponents, especially Australia, South Africa, England and New Zealand. Add to that their lack of discipline and their frequent lack of preparation in foreign conditions, and there is always going to be a chance that things will go pear shaped the way they have. Australia have won the first two tests based mostly on sheer hard work and discipline - batsmen have left balls and played themselves in, and the bowlers have "maintained" a probing line and length. India should learn from this, but it appears they hardly ever do.

  • POSTED BY fudgys11 on | January 9, 2012, 3:59 GMT

    First of all remove Dhoni from Test captaincy. You cannot react to a situation in tests and expect things to happen. The opposite batmen are in no hurry to make things happen, fielding has to do that in a test. In One-days its the opposite. He seems to behaving, infact anybody will have, similar tactics for both. You need different captains with different mind sets. A Bowler would be a better captain since he always plots for the batsmen. Also its the easiest thing for Srikanth/Dhoni to state the obvious and say that batting has failed and the Australians have played well. Where is their contribution to buck the trend ? If they have nothing to contribute, they have no business to be there. Make anybody a captain/selector and after every defeat , the same obvious things could be said. You have got to make things happen. Make the opposition play to areas which gives you chance of getting their wickets. Poor field placements which doesn't make batmen take risk have no meaning.

  • POSTED BY SRT_GENIUS on | January 9, 2012, 3:00 GMT

    @stark-truth: Sachin will retire once he can ensure that Kallis can't get to his records. What's so complicated for you to understand here ? But VVS and Dravid must go now.

  • POSTED BY correctcall on | January 8, 2012, 21:04 GMT

    Now the odds are right will the Indians play for a win ?

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 19:42 GMT

    go and get some real fast bowlers, thats the only way India's overrated batting can actually start winning

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 19:25 GMT

    here we go again - cmon guys - even if India was shot out on the first day - our bowlers took 4 wickets - that is where the problem was - india scored 400 in the last innings and still lost. The match was lost when we could not dismiss Ponting and Clarke. Let us not get after VVS - he scored a fifty - what did our youngsters do - Sehwag is the most useless batsman with his wild shots and he has no idea about the situation - we wanted a good start but he is interested in whacking it in the air - we need more stable openers - sehwag must bat later if we want to win at perth !

  • POSTED BY Perfect.Stranger on | January 8, 2012, 18:35 GMT

    The indignity of recent events calls for a head to roll. I say lets sack the 12th man. That will solve the problem for sure...

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 17:15 GMT

    some great philosopher had once said "No one can stop an idea whos time has come". T20 is here to stay. T20 and 50 overs format is the future of cricket as waiting 5 days for a draw is now passe. But having said all of this i feel there is an urgent need to rationalise IPL matches. The IPL seems to have become more important. THE TOURNAMENT HAS BECOME TOO LENGHTY. The Big Bash is a good example, short and sweet.

  • POSTED BY Bang_La on | January 8, 2012, 16:38 GMT

    My dear Indian friends, why don't you order ICC, I know BCCI can, to make sure that India would only play on their own soil. NO AWAY matches. That would simply show what tigers the Indian players are, right? You are not only bringing criticism on Indian players by playing on hard pitches but also shorten their career by causing Osteoarthritis. Think carefully, think again.

  • POSTED BY OzWally on | January 8, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    VVS - 132 tests, 221 innings and just 17 centuries. Wow! Has anyone with nearly 9,000 test runs ever converted so few innings into tons? If that keeps you in the team, think of who would still be playing for Australia. Forget Philip Hughes, Kim Hughes would still be an automatic selection.

  • POSTED BY stark-truth on | January 8, 2012, 15:26 GMT

    Sachin Tendulkar's obsession and regards for personal milestones has been a major setback for India. He slowed down and let the slow bowlers dominate him, in the end meekly capitulating to Clarke. Oh Clarke! Here is a man Sachin should learn from, and we all know why....

  • POSTED BY stormy16 on | January 8, 2012, 14:57 GMT

    Take this view folks. This is what India always were - tigers at home, mice away! That was untill there was a perfect storm scenerio in Indian cricketing history with an attack able to get 20 wickets supported by some of the all time great batsman. The storm is now unfortuantely comming to and end and India is back where it always was. This doeasnt mean all is lost but the opportunity to build again. No team stays at the top forever (except the Aus's and Windies) but keep going up and down. Look where Eng are today compared to Eng 1985 - 2005! NZ had a dream patch when they had Hadlee and Crow and India had a great time with the dream combination - that is still there - but fast running out of gas!

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 14:55 GMT

    I feel Pujara should replace VVS for the next test series which will be in India as the current Australia series is the last overseas test tour for this year.

  • POSTED BY SomeCents on | January 8, 2012, 14:32 GMT

    This test team were thrashed by England and pushed by the almighty West Indies...at HOME! So realistically, what should we have expected on seaming pitches in OZ? Frankly, the Indian team has been thoroughly exposed. Maybe now we will stop talking about this paper great batting lineup. Flat track murderers; otherwise, wimps. I would dearly love for the commentators/journalists to be honest when raving about Sehwag's next flat track double century.

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 14:15 GMT

    @arindam. Here is an idea to implement your suggestion. Include Saurav in the team ,and then axe him!

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 11:27 GMT

    The indignity of recent events calls for the head of Kohli. Rohit Sharma should replace him. Its no bad thing for India to have competition for spots.

  • POSTED BY Raisur on | January 8, 2012, 10:25 GMT

    Indian cricket Team is performs well in home condition, when it comes to outside india, they are like toothless tiger. Sachin has amassed run under his belt, like Sunil Gavaskar both have created records, but never delivered when indians required from his bat. I feel, what India requires is a young breed and might loose the same way, no harm. In years to come will definitely build up a strong team. The media should be matured enough to bring the facts to limelight and dont exaggerate. The media needs to be blamed for the hype. It should be the other way, let the result follow. I feel, give a revamp and let the old leg's say adieu !!!!

  • POSTED BY Dhsquarem on | January 8, 2012, 9:49 GMT

    I think that below are the reasons India have not been successful overseas; 1). None of Indian cricketers play in English county anymore. It used to give them a lot of exposure to those wickets that has pace and bounce. But now India cricketers only play IPL when they are not playing International games. That too on flat India pitches. Since Indian cricketers play most of the time on flat pitches, they do not have any practice of playing good swing and bounce. Also now most of them are only good at t-20 and they can not concentrate for a longer version of a game.

    2). Indian opening pair is so vulnerable to good swing bowling that it is always possible to get Sehwag or Gambhir out in first 5 overs. Sehwag does not understand responsibility at all. He wants to have a crack at every ball even in test matches. He does not understand how important is an opening stand. Once opposition have one of the openers out in first 5 overs, they are mentally on top. Coach can explain these things.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | January 8, 2012, 9:48 GMT

    @Sambit Bal, why did it take you so long to write such an article? India were flogged 4-0 in England, this article applies to then too. It is these sorts of slow realisations that have led to India's steady decline and terrible overseas record. The retention of Laxman is much the same.

  • POSTED BY Scheduler on | January 8, 2012, 9:38 GMT

    We should have separate teams for seam ,swing conditions and flat track pitches. ICC should have separate award functions for FLAT pitch records and seaming bouncy pitch records. But without a shadow of doubt Virender Sehwag the so called champion batsman will sweep away all the awards.All the indian commentators shud stop saying how great the indian players.Mr.Srikanth says this is the best line up am not sure he spends time watching the Ranji trophy.Time to throw all these flat track bullies except sachin and dravid out of the team

  • POSTED BY buntyj on | January 8, 2012, 9:36 GMT

    a new indian team from bench strength- mukund, pujara, rahane, sharma, kohli, jadeja, ashwin, wk, p kumar, yadav, aaron ? any comments?

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 9:25 GMT

    I am wondering what made them think not to play test next five years with Bangladesh. I even feel they rnt up to the standard to play test. I suggest ICC to revoke their test status.

    Mazumder from Dhaka.

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 8:58 GMT

    it was not only seam which disturb this mighty indian batting but also bounce that create doubt in the mind of batsmen. so if the sub continent teams wants to improve their overseas record they need to preppair bouncy and seaming tracks at home... anyway hop we will see some good cricket in upcoming matches .

  • POSTED BY joseyesu on | January 8, 2012, 8:24 GMT

    Sehwag - Purely a entertainer, and he won't play as per the situation, Gambir- talented and he needs luck, Dravid- Wall, but too much defensive, Tendulkar - God of hundreds, but still the 100th is missing seems not lucky, Laxman- Gone are those Edens and Sydney and need to replace, Virat- Need to assess on away tours still, Dhoni- Not fit for Test and no technique, Ashwin- when he bats, worries why others are not able, Ish -Much hyped, but no wickets, Zak - Exp and also going good, Yadav, seems like he proved in 1 test and left it. There is no team work altogether.

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 7:52 GMT

    Axe Sourav Ganguly!! Oh, he is not playing for India anymore. Is he? Then stop him playing the IPL! Can't do that? At least remove him from commentary. How else can India play better?

  • POSTED BY ZsZs on | January 8, 2012, 7:21 GMT

    Bal seems to be handling this Indian team with kid gloves, Is it really necessary that you have to praise, praise, praise then a criticism? is indian egos that weak now that the simple truth must be said with such sugar coating?

  • POSTED BY VinayJoglekar on | January 8, 2012, 7:01 GMT

    i think India is missing the aggression Ganguly used to get in his captancy. That never say die attitude is lost

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 6:54 GMT

    Phew...Don't think that its requires huge reaction from fans....losing 6 test at stretch , no doubt,is not the best thing to happen..but I guess, India need to persist with the same side...it just during bad times team don't click as an Unit..that would be resolved with some good performance.With u, Team India...Best of Luck for next 2 test..

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 6:49 GMT

    just give me 1 good reason these great players take rest from international matches... for keeping up their fitness.. like the way they withdrew from west indies series ... why dont they take a break instead from ipl... in ipl there are no injury or rest issues... ipl is meant to groom new players not old players... come on yaar i think country should come first... and please dont act like hopeless in field... atleast give a fight... winning or loosing is other thing.... but without a fight... its useless baseless and pathetic..

  • POSTED BY itisme on | January 8, 2012, 6:34 GMT

    The ONLY problem with the India test team is DHONI. Get rid of him fast. He is a nobrainer. A test captain cannot just wait for things to happen. he has to MAKE things happen, which Dhoni cannot. Thank you Sambit for making this clear in your article.

  • POSTED BY Rahul_78 on | January 8, 2012, 6:18 GMT

    I have a sneaking feeling that old warhorses are up for fight at Perth. The stakes are staked against them and they have nothing to loose. And this is the final appearance for SRT, Rahul and VVS in OZ. Underdog tag suites this team..!

  • POSTED BY moko58 on | January 8, 2012, 5:44 GMT

    Indians have become more media savvy. Dravid's talk was well received. Laxman told the press before the series that we would recover our Number one status. Dhoni got the 'Fairplay' award. Indians are doing everything to market Test cricket without trying. However they are not doing what the Indian fan wants - scrap it out on the field. We want new fresh minds . not just a record. We want somebody who will fight it out like Laxman did long long ago in 2000.

  • POSTED BY BapiDas on | January 8, 2012, 5:12 GMT

    In the longer format of the game, 20 wickets of the opposition must be taken to win a match and nothing else matters. Unlike the ODI and T20 matches it is NOT A BATSMAN'S GAME and that is precisely what Team India did not remember! The batting greats have still not been able to switch to the "TEST" mode, they are not 'leaving' enough number of deliveries and force the bowlers to bowl run making deliveries and still playing with the ODI mentality of not allowing too many 'dot' balls. The bowlers are failing to 'attack' and take wickets, they are still trying to 'defend' and bowl 'dot' deliveries.

  • POSTED BY lananad on | January 8, 2012, 5:03 GMT

    Indian team is overated. All those batting starts could not make it. They will just pile up centuries but when it really matters during crunch games they fail. What an embarrasment. Bowling of course is always very weak.

  • POSTED BY Mervo on | January 8, 2012, 4:57 GMT

    Grass? Cricket is supposed to be played on a turf wicket, that is grass, not rolled mud or soil. I suspect more Indian pitches should be made of turf and kept alive not dead. That way the batsmen will learn how to cope and bowlers like Khan and Yadav will prosper more frequently, rather than being the support act to a line up of spinners made to look like kings because of the extravagant turn they receive.

  • POSTED BY viral.jain on | January 8, 2012, 4:18 GMT

    the real problem is dhoni has not shown the same kind of imagitiveness with his team selection like he does for the 1 day side. the solution is to include ajinkya rahane in the side and use him at no 3 or 6. he has prior experience of the conditions, he was selected for england 1 day series because of success on A-TOUR here, and will be better equipped to handle the new ball threat which has been the a catalyst of a batting collapse the full last year. i m surprised no 1 has even suggested this. its not as if having a third opener in the side is a completely new idea.

  • POSTED BY gothetaniwha on | January 8, 2012, 3:42 GMT

    NZ should have played 4 tests at least it was 1/1 after 2 and Aussie at least would have being challenged , give India one test next time .The only 4 match series that they should play is against ZIM ,who would beat them at home .

  • POSTED BY RK.Chandru on | January 8, 2012, 2:29 GMT

    Where are the replacements for Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid? When we're yet to find the replacement for Ganguly even after many years of his retirement and with the tried ones nowhere up to the mark despite numerous chances given to them on a platter, people are asking for a complete revamp. Grooming of fresh talent should be done in a phased manner and not completely. Does anyone believe, the Pujaras, Rohits,Badris and the Kohlis are anywhere near the class of the Tendulkars, Laxmans and Dravids? I'm afraid, NO! No doubt, problem with India right now is only the batting and with such paltry scores in the kitty even the finest bowlers' morale will be dented. Let the openers first give the team a solid start. Let Mr. Sehwang learn to respect the opposition's bowling and learn to play a longer innings instead of a quick 30 or 40. Let Gambhir be shown the exit doors. Virat and Dhoni stand exposed and instead of wasting time with Kohli, let Rohit be tried. Do not blame poor Laxman alone.

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 2:12 GMT

    I really HATE the chanting of "India Jitega" by Indian fans in Australia and England. It is embarrassing.

    What I see:

    1. It is amazing how the team's performance has changed after Gary Kristen left.

    2. Ishant is praised highly for his attitude and effort. However, he rarely picks up wickets.

    3. Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman and getting very old and quality replacements are hard to find. Ganguly is still not full replaced.

    What we might do:

    1. Play for entertainment and not for pride. Focus mainly on IPL.

    2. Apart from IPL, focus mainly on playing ODIs and twenty-twenty.

    3. Greatly reduce the number of tests India plays - no more than 6 tests in a year. Let us reduce the frequency of hear-breaks and also allow the test cricket to slowly fade.

    Most Important:

    1. For whatever reason, we Indians are not good in sports - even Pakistanis and Srilankans are better. What are the reasons - do you know?

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 1:34 GMT

    Drop Ishant Sharma. He is a brain-dead trundler. Keep Kohli, but bring in Rohit Sharma.

  • POSTED BY Alexk400 on | January 8, 2012, 1:13 GMT

    There was no demon in both picthes. Both are batting track if you apply yourself. Indians did not apply themself. sehwag do not want sachin to score century and taking credit away from him. Why in the world sehwag hitting the ball in air when ball is swinging in first 20 overs. Can someone tell him we need opening partnership? I think sehwag is greatest player if he applies his mind once in a while. he throw away wicket every time. He can play straight if he wants to. The problem is this , indian team rely too much on sehwag pyrotechnics to win overseas. Major reason for the loss is Gambhir performance. We needed player who leave as many balls as akash chopra did in 2004. We can't have pokers in both sides. I also think Ishant sharma is collecting free pay cheques. Yadav is done ..all his energy gone in first test. Next is his knee will buckle.All indian bowlers did that because of lack of gym culture.

  • POSTED BY caught_knott_bowled_old on | January 8, 2012, 0:50 GMT

    The batsmen are indeed responsible for losing at SCG and the batsmen are also responsible for squandering an opportunity to win in Melbourne. The famed Big Three are no longer adding value. Bring in the next generation of batsmen.

  • POSTED BY righthandbat on | January 8, 2012, 0:37 GMT

    I would love to see India begin a new team based on athleticism. Chasing balls in the outfield/diving, running between the wickets better, less misfields and so on would be great. They should look to the players domestically who have these traits and start thinking about them.

    Furthermore, they need a batting lineup with good footwork, and a good ability to play the shorter pitched deliveries.

    Lastly, taking a leaf out of McDermott's book and bowling fuller outside off could pay greater dividends.

  • POSTED BY Naresh28 on | January 8, 2012, 0:35 GMT

    People calling for Sachin to retire. He is currently the top Indian scorer in Oz, he scored some good runs in SA, in England he scored a 56, a 91. So for me he still is needed by India for the mere fact that has scored against three top teams. Dravid scored in Windies and England. I would drop players like Gambhir, Shewag, Laxman, and Dhoni. Dravid could open with Aakash Chopra and also captain India once more. Rohit and Kohli should be in the team. Players like Sreesanth, Raina, Praveen, Irfan, Yuvraj should return into squad. I would also retain Dhoni as a wicky(India needs to find one good one) and batsman(poor) Players like Raina, Yuvraj and Dhoni are good one day players - but bring sharpness to fielding. Yadav and Sharma could also be part of team. Gambhir's weakness has been found out.

  • POSTED BY on | January 8, 2012, 0:23 GMT

    The greatest mistake was electing to bat after winning toss. That was the fatal mistake. Dhoni should have properly assessed the pitch condition, before making the decision. He should stop being always defensive attitude and there is nothing more to loose in this series, just go for attack in the remaining tests. Nothing else to do, there is no need to change anyone in this team except Kohli. I bought a ticket to watch Adelaide test, but if itis going to be the same story again in Perth, I will abandon my plan.

  • POSTED BY Harry_Kool on | January 7, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    @baskar_guha. And you were watching what game with the doctored pitch? I guess it is something different for you, to see pitches being prepared that actually give results rather than bloating averages of batsmen with poor techniques.

  • POSTED BY Ajay_Toronto_ on | January 7, 2012, 21:15 GMT

    It seems that this Indian cricket team has no shame whatsoever...how can a team be outperformed at this level for 12 innings on the trot (overseas that is), and still be considered as worthy of being called a Test team...at the risk of being a fair-weather fan, I must say that as much as I support India, I am sure that from here on, regardless of what Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid or Laxman EVER achieve, they will be remembered as the ones responsible for bringing this period of great shame and insult to their country...Mr. Srikkanth, this Test team needs a revamp...I think you have already given them more than their share of chances and trials.

  • POSTED BY likeintcricket on | January 7, 2012, 20:46 GMT

    The game was already decided when Aussies posted 600+ runs and Clarke declared early to get two important wickets. The rest was just a show to please the crowd and keep the interest in the series. Its time for India to insert some fresh blood in the team and kick the oldies out. They are not gonna win any matches for them. They have to match the aggression with aggression. If the Australian plays with 4 fast bowlers at Perth than god knows what will happen to India.

  • POSTED BY IAS2009 on | January 7, 2012, 20:24 GMT

    India's over seas victory will be thing of past for long time to come, in last decade they manage to win some test matches largely because od Sachin, Dravid Laxman and Veru. but all these payer gone in next couple of years (because of their performances) it will be very hard for India to beat any team outside subcontinent)

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 19:58 GMT

    I don't think there will be any changes in the Indian team for the next test. Bringing rohit in for kohli won't make any difference. sehwag has to play for atleast 20 overs.. gambhir should be aware of the balls outside off.. if these 2 can make 100 together.. then our middle order will be in a good position to score runs freely.. then dhoni down the order can bat in his natural style and kohli ashwin can make some contribution.. 400 easy.. now the rest depends on discipline bowling, attacking field and decent fielding. 2-2.

  • POSTED BY explorer76 on | January 7, 2012, 19:31 GMT

    It is surprising that so much of the criticism has been against indian batting (I am not an indian fan btw). Sure the first innings of 199 was below par but then every team does get a score like that once in a while - australia has had much worse performances recently. I think the main weakness was the inability of the bowling to attack back and restrict australia. Once you have conceded a 400+ lead, there is really not much hope in saving the test from that point on. India's batting in second innings was not match winning but it was not lame either. I am fairly certain that from 400 down in first innings, australia could not have saved the test either or for that matter any of the other teams.

  • POSTED BY Naresh28 on | January 7, 2012, 19:24 GMT

    I agree with @here2rock we did not take advantage of toss. As soon as Dhoni selected to bat - I knew it was a mistake. Another mistake was when I saw that Rohit Sharma was missing in the lineup. Dhoni seems to captain going by his own hunch. The team is supposed to decide at team meetings before game.Shewag/gambhir are suppose to give a good start. So many times they have failed. Exposing Dravid far too early.

  • POSTED BY Scrop on | January 7, 2012, 19:20 GMT

    Shut up Fanatic_cracko, He is the same guy who has given Aus players lots of sleepless nights. Even now, ask the Aussie players, they would say Sachin is the most difficult batsman to bowl.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 19:11 GMT

    Until the day India realises that cricket is a TEAM sport, they will never become a "true" number one, not even a 2 or 3, forget the ICC rankings, they mean nothing unless you're unbeatable and feared like the Windies and Australia were. It's a pity, great batsman, quality slow bowlers and but a poor attitude when things get tough, has always been the same. Anyone who disagrees just need look at the one thing that doesn't come up in the stat column... fielding, so poor and always at best can be considered average, a great sign to show that they're all in it for them selves, always has been and unless some national pride comes alive, always will be.

  • POSTED BY charlie2921972 on | January 7, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    India XI for Perth Test 1)Sehwag/Gambhir 2)Dravid 3)Rohit 4)Sachin 5)Laxman/Rahane 6)Ashwin 7)Dhoni/Saha 8)Zaheer 9)Ishant/Mithun 10)Umesh 11)Ojha

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 18:21 GMT

    I somewhat share Sambit Bal's despair - we are back to the dark ages of Indian cricket in the 90s. But I partly fault the likes of Mr. Bal for creating the environment (over the past couple of years or so) that fosters such a feeling of utter despair and the general how-can-Indian-cricket-fall-to-such-depths-from-being-the-number-one-team-just-a-year-back brouhaha among its followers. The fact is that Indian cricket team - even after they got to #1 ranking - has always been a mediocre/above-average team at best. It's one of those teams - not unlike other subcontinent teams - that plays brilliant cricket (mostly at home) in flashes interspersed with some pretty ordinary cricket. Yes, relatively speaking, the players have become fitter, more professional, mentally stronger but they are in no way world beaters like the 80s West Indian team or the 90s Australian team. And yes, while the Indian team did manage to give a better account of itself on some of the overseas tours in the last deca

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 18:17 GMT

    Six Successive Test Defeats Away from Home? Wait. It will probably soon be eight.

    Team India should now seriously think about playing against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

  • POSTED BY nikhilshahb on | January 7, 2012, 18:12 GMT

    Totally disagree with this negative view. Gambhir and Sehwag have been trying to recapture the form they were in before the recent England tour and have not been able to do so. Otherwise this team is possibly the greatest Indian team ever. Mentally it needs to overcome the pressure of not having been able to win a series in Australia.

    Once Gambhir fired in second innings India were able to put 400 runs on the board and typically more if Sachin, Dravid and Laxman can convert which they have been doing since the last 20 years. They just did'nt do it this time. That's all.

  • POSTED BY ut4me87 on | January 7, 2012, 18:09 GMT

    Please make Ganguly the non-playing captain. We need a player with a fire in his belly and a real desire to win at all cost - if that means that world will look at that man as Mr. Nasty so be it.

  • POSTED BY Surhud29 on | January 7, 2012, 17:55 GMT

    I do not understand this talk about defensive captaincy. Michael Clarke was on verge of doing the same thing as MS Dhoni. Unfortunately, India lost wickets at crucial phases of the game. My dear friends, field placements are more bowler oriented rather than captain oriented. The bowler has to play a major part in field settings. I bet on this that Michael Clarke was not confident of that 400 +lead once Gautam and Sachin started creaming boundries at will. Luck is with the Home team and times change very fast in Test Cricket. It is not impossible that in last 2 games the Australian team capitualtes and my friends critcizing the Indian team eat humble Pie!!!!

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    @OhhhhMattyMatty. I agree with you, for a change, about his suggested new Indian team. Mukund could be the third opener. If such a team loses a series, it will be Ok; since there will be some gain for the future. Who knows, they might play better than the current team; definitely in fielding -- catching, chasing and stopping balls from racing to the boundary. Only their throw to break the wicket needs improvement -- even there they will be better than the current lot.

  • POSTED BY cricpolitics on | January 7, 2012, 17:14 GMT

    Unless something is worked out behind the scenes between ACB, BCCI, and ICC to fabricate few Indian wins so that IPL could stay attractive there is nothing good that is about to happen for the Indian fans. If the the fortunes turn around all of a sudden for this Indian team in this series it will have a BIG question mark about the cricket credibility?????

  • POSTED BY Alexk400 on | January 7, 2012, 17:13 GMT

    I don't mind losing. But losing without a fight. Some heads should roll. Saying aussie played better is not an excuse. 6-0 in overseas and still has tons of excuse...hmmm

    Not sure what is with BCCI people. May be they don't care. Or just wrong people running the BCCI.

  • POSTED BY cricpolitics on | January 7, 2012, 17:11 GMT

    I can't believe some of these Indian channels are still promoting this series by using words like agneepath, intensity, passion, tigers, heat, battle of the titans, and showing the graphics of fire. It's a typical Bollywood style hysteria that has been created for nothing. This series so far is everything but the above mentioned hyped commercials.

  • POSTED BY cricpolitics on | January 7, 2012, 16:57 GMT

    Dhoni must be dropped from the test side and should only captain the one day and the T20 teams.

  • POSTED BY cricpolitics on | January 7, 2012, 16:50 GMT

    IPL should help reduce the mourning. These paper tigers are saving their best for the 57 excruciatingly long days of IPL.

  • POSTED BY cricpolitics on | January 7, 2012, 16:46 GMT

    The sooner Indians accept the reality the better. Their team is just not up to the task, period. The mourning needs to stop otherwise there will be no end to this mourning since the loses are only going to get bigger.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 16:44 GMT

    Basic things that must be implemented on PRIORITY, First, ORDER the boys not to hit 4s & 6s but just to run between the wickets more aggressively... No one in the team is realising the importance of taking singles.. those who can not do so, remove them from the team. just SACK them even if they score centuries in 4s & 6s!! Second, promote Kohli/Rohit/Ashwin/Rahane/any youngster to occupy the top positions (1, 2, 3..) and let Dravid/Tendu/Seniors support them at the bottom (5, 6..) postions in the batting order, if they really be looking at building up the team for future... Third, Captain should be a dictator in the field.. in short, he must demand the performance from every player at every session... Fourth, REMOVE the COACH and COMPUTERS... they are not required to play a game at that level. They are required at coaching centers.. Depending too much on them always degrades ones self-ebility and remain immeture. That's what we are seeing now.. PITTY!!

  • POSTED BY PGPEXVI on | January 7, 2012, 16:25 GMT

    Let's accept it - We have a mediocre team when it comes to playing a test match. The technique and character is simply missing. In bowling department, barring Zaheer, no one has performed. Even Zaheer fails at the incisive bowling at times. Bringing Yuvraj is just going to add another ENTERTAINER in our squad. ENTERTAINMENT can mix well with T20 format and to some extent with ODIs but not with TEST format in an away series.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 16:07 GMT

    Not sure, what a good coach would have done with INDIAN team in this situation?? Atleast, to win other 2 games..

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 16:05 GMT

    I am having a hard time understanding this , India was never a non-sub continent team ever , they haven't had a great track record outside India , have not reached 300 runs on 3 occasions only in 17 innings on away pitches , were all of us expecting a Miracle this time? India just lost the summer games in England not winning a single match ( not even T20 or ODIs ) and we were still expecting India to do magic in Australia which is a lot tougher than England ( for myself atleast ) . I am having a hard time to chew on the fact on how India made it to number one ( test status ) , that just does not sound right - Well , for India's well wishers , they will be delighted to hear that after this tour , they are not playing any games away until 2014 ( Talk about fantastic planning ) !

  • POSTED BY zavahir on | January 7, 2012, 15:47 GMT

    What nonsense, what grass? it was a perfect batting track. so, dont blame the grass.

  • POSTED BY Jack_India on | January 7, 2012, 15:35 GMT

    We are so much adapted to the shorter version of the game (ODI and T20) that we are always eager to finish a 5 day test match in 4 days.

  • POSTED BY Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on | January 7, 2012, 15:34 GMT

    I'm sure Dravid will be seriously considering retirement if India doesn't bounce back for a drawn series with meaningful performances from his willow. He would be the last one to make himself look like a hindrance for India's progress during this mayhem. He would gladly bow down if he is a hindrance to India's progress. Keep watching. You'll know that I've already said it here. And you fellas will also realise that it's Dhoni who is the hindrance regardless of who retires and who doesn't retire.

  • POSTED BY SamRoy on | January 7, 2012, 15:30 GMT

    @Abid Ashgar probably you forgot that India won in England in 2007 and would have won last year in SA if it wasn't for Dhoni and Ishant (they had SA with only 130 runs ahead and 6 wickets down in 2nd innings). Ishant Sharma is an extremely overrated bowler. Praveen and Umesh are hundred times better. And Dhoni is a bad test captain. Great limited overs captain though. I have saying the same thing on the board for last 2 years.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 15:26 GMT

    Yes, our batting failed in the first innings. But consistently our bowling is very unreliable. This will hurt badly for a long to come since I see no replacements coming. To let Aus score 600+ runs for the loss of 4 wickets sums it up.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 15:22 GMT

    Its sad to see the greats of the game fail. Sachin just changed his game after reaching 70 in the second innings of the test match.. Why! just Why!! He cant get over this milestone.. Its been haunting the whole Indian team..Not just SACHIN!

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 15:21 GMT

    i bet india will be trying to tour bangladesh as soon as possible to proove that they can win overseas.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 15:16 GMT

    Dr. Jha is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. His comments were swept away in a lot of drivel above & underneath his comments.... Indian batsmen have always struggled on bouncy & quick wickets no matter how we want to think.... the technical brilliancy of the so called trio is highly overrated....

  • POSTED BY Bang_La on | January 7, 2012, 15:16 GMT

    @Fanatic_cracko, hahahahaha Better send them to Bangladesh. Well, there won't be a century of centuries but Bangladesh could better their records :)

  • POSTED BY Fanatic_cricko on | January 7, 2012, 14:50 GMT

    Australians play to win, India does not have that mental strength. Go and play Zimbabwe and Bangladesh to create records.

  • POSTED BY Fanatic_cricko on | January 7, 2012, 14:44 GMT

    Go and play with Zimabwe to make some record. At least your guy will achieve his target 100th ton and can change the losing streak....

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 14:39 GMT

    Indian team is not , was not and will not be good enough to win a series out side subcontinent period.

  • POSTED BY deeps_np on | January 7, 2012, 14:38 GMT

    India downfall is because of Dhoni's defensive captaincy. As he spread the field from the first over of the match. And Second big reason is failure of Umesh Yadav and Ishant Sharma as they simply do not know how to pitch the ball up when it is new. And no words for Indian batting. Get ready for 4-0 humiliation defeat.

  • POSTED BY Wondervij on | January 7, 2012, 14:32 GMT

    Wat a mess..they just dnt know how to play da moving ball..firstly our openers are nt dng da job to see off da new ball..secondly, the middle order is filled with ageing giants..sachin plays his natural game till he reaches 70 but after tht god knws wat happens to him..its hard to believe a player who has scored 99 hundreds finding it so difficult to score another 100..thn our captain himself dsnt hve the technique to play at the highest level..dnt thnk dey wud be able to win the remaining games..

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 14:31 GMT

    indian cricket team is not match stick fire they're valcano they will burst the australians this time for sure

  • POSTED BY abyrao on | January 7, 2012, 13:15 GMT

    Gautam Gambhir, Laxman, Kohli are all living on past reputations. Look at Australia Hussey and Ponting were under pressure to perform. Thats where the problem is with Indians too much of historical talks nothing for the present or future. 600 plus runs with not even half the side dismissed, something somewhere is awfully wrong. Apart from Zaheer the entire bowling unit needs a revamp.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 12:16 GMT

    Bring Yuvraj Singh back..he will surely throw something special..

  • POSTED BY sabee66 on | January 7, 2012, 12:12 GMT

    so many IF's and But's from the fans, i can understand their frustration its so simple INDIA was accidentally good...lol(umpires) now , they are exposed badly, first in ENGLAND and now in AUS, they shouldn't tour here, they should go to B.D or Srilanaka so that there main players can make records... WACA will be the graveyard of Indian batting....lol

  • POSTED BY OzHarris on | January 7, 2012, 12:09 GMT

    India's Attitude::: Look mate! i bowl 24 balls- and bat for 24 balls too ..IPL i get the same money... Do i have to play for 5 days.....???? Who Cares . i ll play for IPL 4 - GO for GLORY IPL.....

  • POSTED BY Raju_Iyer on | January 7, 2012, 12:06 GMT

    I have a few simple questions for everyone spewing venom : When was the last time in history an Indian team toured England and Australia in succession? How did M S Dhoni's captaincy which won us the T 20 and the World Cup suddenly become atrocious in Tests alone?! Why haven't youngsters like Raina, Gambhir or Kohli been able to produce even ONE match turning / saving innings in these 6 losses that have now become our obsession? Why can't we simply understand that this is a team sport and there will be some great wins and some disappointing losses as well?I for one will look forward to the rest of the series and hope Team India puts up a great show.

  • POSTED BY Itchy on | January 7, 2012, 9:52 GMT

    @here2rock: Australia did not bat in cooler conditions - they came on day 4 when India was batting. I was at the game on days 1 & 2 and it was seriously warm. The Indian team did not back up Dhoni's decision to bat - I'm pretty sure Clarke would have opted to bat first as well. Most commentators who are ex-players were saying it was the right decision to bat first but the Indian team let themselves down by batting poorly.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 9:34 GMT

    The decision making paralysis of the current national Parliamentarians seemed to have caught up with the Indian Cricket Team Management. Running away from the truth seems to be the order of the day. Just why is Kolhi playing test cricket...haven't we given him sufficient chances to prove himself ?

  • POSTED BY here2rock on | January 7, 2012, 8:47 GMT

    This is what hurts me the most as an Indian supporter that India refuses to make changes and learn from their mistakes. They carry on a cricket field without any planning it seems. They are not very good readers of the situation that is when to attack or defend. In the Sydney test when Clarke brought himself on before the new ball both Tendulkar and Laxman shut the shop instead of seeing this opportunity to score 50-60 runs before the new ball was taken. What happened, Tendulkar lost his wicket to a straight ball and Laxman went against a good new ball. Nothing gained. Why would Dhoni bat first on a green pitch when his side has been struggling with batting overseas for a long time now? Too many tactical errors.

  • POSTED BY Anantharao on | January 7, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    Dhoni need to change the team. We do have a practice of keeping the players who scored in last match. They don't think how they played in last 10 -20 innings. We have youngsters and even they score 0-1-2-3-4-5-6 -7-8-9 runs, they will gain experience. Our old batsmen are too difficult to learn from now on. Another very important note is blaming - bouncy pitches - environment of the touring countries. If we don't accept the mistake that we are very less prepared for these kinds of pitches, we are not going to find a solution. The solution is use of bowling machines - To Bowl Bouncers to head - and preparing similar pitches in India by importing soil and curators - to prepare similar pitches - of these countries. These are achievable items for BCCI. Also I need to tell Indian batsmen considering the Batting Stand Change. Follow Ashwin's batting stand(Bat back lift) for batting to gain enough time to bat very fast bowlers. Hope this article is read by some officials

  • POSTED BY Farce-Follower on | January 7, 2012, 8:18 GMT

    I am so glad that Mithun or Vinay were not part of this bloodbath. Else they would have been held responsible. Our galacticos - Ishant and Zaheer were zeros on this pitch. And still not a single fan asks for their scalp. Just desserts Guys.

  • POSTED BY mehulmatrix on | January 7, 2012, 8:09 GMT

    Very well written article. Very apt to mention about the attitude of Dhoni and players. Dhoni always seems to be more defensive in tests and Ive thought that the test team wont do fine under him. This and england series show that. But wonder how come the senior members didnt lift the spirits of the team! Losing is ok, but the attitude and fight should be there. The young aussies attack showed that and how well their middle has come back! For the cricket entertainment maniacs, there are such matches to criticize and do the maddening following in IPL(to come soon!).

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 8:07 GMT

    That Indian batting fails when pitted against quality fast bowling in helpful conditions is as unsurprising as glass breaking when dropped on concrete floor. The only times when the Indian batsmen fired as a unit in Australia were in 1986 when Australia was rebuilding and in 2003 when Glenn McGrath was out injured and Jason Gillespie and Brett Lee were only half-fit. The surprise is how little has been done to analyze the root cause for this weakness and address it, especially in the last decade when money is no longer an issue. Pay top dollars to top-class fast bowlers from Pakistan, England, SA and Australia to play in Ranji trophy (and create pitches conducive to fast bowling)? Enable and require Indian batsmen to play in the domestic competitions in those same countries? Surely, we are not afraid that by traning our batsmen to be better players of fast bowling, theu'd lose their ability to excel in typical subcontinental conditions?

  • POSTED BY mlkt on | January 7, 2012, 7:49 GMT

    sehwag not firing is defintely the cause....other thing is that india's tail starts after loss of fourth wicket...no one is contributing(kohli, dhoni, bowlers) after that.....and when we have not been able to find a replacement for ganguly at no 6 since last 3 years, how good will be to do radical dissection of the team by enforcing the trio to resign/dropping them, dont know!!.....gavaskar has said that india was always like that touring abroad, with occasional wins.....but he needs to be reminded that in 90's fans were not really expecting our team to do something special on tours...the fact why thesecurrent losses are causing more pain is because THESE VERY BATSMAN by their deeds of last 8-10 years have made us believe that india can win abroad.......i thing real difficult times will come when they retire...nobody has taken the place of ganguly and kumble yet...and no body could replace RD/SRT/VVS.......THE THING WHICH NEEDS URGENT ATTENTION IS THE ATTITUDE OF THE TEAM AS A WHOLE.

  • POSTED BY amarnath79 on | January 7, 2012, 7:30 GMT

    Not picking Harbhajan for the series was a historic mistake. He can at least get under the Aussie skin. The present set of players are acting as mere lambs.

  • POSTED BY SamRoy on | January 7, 2012, 7:15 GMT

    @all Whatever team you guys are suggesting will lose against Australia because of two reasons. Dhoni's terrible captaincy and Dravid and Laxman looking more old age cricketers playing in benefit matches. Seriously both of them continuing to play on with pretty bad reflexes is turning into a bit of a joke.

  • POSTED BY buntyj on | January 7, 2012, 7:04 GMT

    changes at perth - rohit for kohli is a no brainer (though i'd be pleasantly surprised if he scored runs in oz), vvs? i would bring in rahane (is a mid order bat for mumbai in long format opener in limited overs format); actually id prefer rahane for kohli but that wont happen; vinay or mitthun for ashwin? no , 3 good pacers enough at perth, ashwins batting needed, neither vinay/mithun close to test standard now; even with rahane/rohit in as changes india more likely to lose than win; adelaide- india's only chance to win or draw (4 bats have scored tons here) provided they remember 1st am will swing also just before/after tea each day due to seabreeze, some spin late season from 2nd eve (ojha for ishant who doesnt swing may be considered) and good belter days 1-3, suddenly deteriorates on day 4 with uneven bounce and usually slow low dead on day 5; day 4 worst for batting not day 5;

  • POSTED BY m_ilind on | January 7, 2012, 6:56 GMT

    Bowlers may win you matches, but it is the batsmen who save them! India's batting has failed miserably both in Eng & Aus. In Eng, the defeats were blamed on injuries to key bowlers i.e Zaheer. What's the excuse here? When will India's famed batting stand up and take the blame? BTW, I am not even thinking about Sachin's 100th ton, since it's only meant for the record books!

  • POSTED BY one-eyed-but-keepinitreal on | January 7, 2012, 6:16 GMT

    @dr.jha - yes Perth 2008 was a flat pitch. It has been for more than a decade in this era of homogenous drop in wickets. SA chased over 400 on the same deck. So it irks me when Perth is used as an example of a team's ability to play on fast bouncy wickets. Left arm swing bowlers have always done well there, though, and India had two in 2008. As a NSW fan I remember, even though we lost a few matches, that our Leftie's always did well at the WACA, Mike Whitney, Phill Alley, Nathan Bracken, etc. Perhaps a reason for Starc or even Faulkner now that Pattinson is injured. India over the past few tours have avoided what has become our fastest and bounciest wicket - the GABA. Over the last couple of years the curators have been able to give a little life to these drop ins. cudos first to Tassie and Qld. Now Vic (test and one of the 20/20s had beautiful bounce) and NSW have followed suite. Hopefully Mr WACA can follow the lead and bring it back to form. Wicket variety provides better batsmen.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 5:54 GMT

    When you loses you have lame excuses.. Like Dhoni always have .. you lost it so accept it and move forward to show you can compete. This is the only thing missing in Indian team. They consider they are the best.

  • POSTED BY one-eyed-but-keepinitreal on | January 7, 2012, 5:53 GMT

    @here2rock - in Sydney, as in Adelaide, and between two even teams, you win the toss, bat first, make runs, then win the match. These wickets do not generally start to deteriorate until late on the fourth day, after which the deterioration can be quite rapid. Dhoni made the right decision - he was not backed up by the batsmen. There was little difference between the first and second day wickets. There was little or no seam, even in the first two hours. The only pitch conditions which lead to India's sub-par score, pace and bounce, were still there during Ponting's dismissal to the new ball late on the second day. The pitch became a little slower and easier on the third day, bounce still there, half of which India batted due to Clarke's over sporting declaration which could have allowed India to gain the lead prior to significant pitch deterioration if they batted well. Kholi was the only bat who lost his wicket due to pitch variation. Swing was there on all four days - re Hilfenhaus.

  • POSTED BY raamvenky82 on | January 7, 2012, 5:46 GMT

    dhoni is a very good odi captain because its just a matter of one day. but in test matches clever alone wont be enough,you need to be agressive and agressive for for the whole 5 days.thats why ganguly and kumble didnt managed this worst feet in tests overseas.both of them are very clever and agressive. msd needs to be more agressive because his minds are working well only when the team have good momentum.

  • POSTED BY zenboomerang on | January 7, 2012, 5:14 GMT

    @Sambit Bal... Their is nothing embarressing about losing - Dhoni's decision to bat 1st was a big surprise & looking at last years match should have rung alarm bells... Game over day 1... You also should give some respect to the Oz bowlers using their home conditions to the best - the same bowlers last year were chucking down pies... That has been the biggest surprise for Aussie fans this series... A complete turn-around this summer...

  • POSTED BY cricinfo_2010 on | January 7, 2012, 4:42 GMT

    The fall of India in ENG and AUS is simply 2 reasons: 1. Sehwag didn't fired/absent - he was the instrumental in the past success over any other batsmen. 2. India don't have swing bowlers, other than Zaheer - Ishaant and Umesh are just straight line bowlers with no variation with no consistency in line and length (Dhoni probably need 20 fields on either side to contain this kind of bowling) - India missing likes of Praveen, Sreesanth and Irfan. I think Vinay Kumar is better bet than Ishaant and Umesh. Ashwin is just a time killer on the field with bowling - bowling because just someone has to bowl - no positive intent. But, impressed with Ashwin's bowling. Ojha would have been better.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 4:41 GMT

    @ nobbin Dravid>>>Marsh and laxman<<<<<Clarke ... And u got the bowling comparison wrong Zaheer = Hilfenhauss, pattinson>>>yaday and Siddle>Ishant .. IF Watson, Harris and Cummins Return.. then some real trouble for India ...

  • POSTED BY here2rock on | January 7, 2012, 4:39 GMT

    Australia had the best of conditions, batthed when the pitch was at his best, India bowled in hot conditions, Australia bowled in cool overcast conditions. Dhoni should have never batted frist consiedering how bad India has been batting of late. A huge tactitcal error by him again.

  • POSTED BY Imran_Ahmed_Mani on | January 7, 2012, 4:34 GMT

    Its time for corrective action but MS still think that they can do it with the same attitude and same aging fellows.

  • POSTED BY M-S-R on | January 7, 2012, 4:31 GMT

    Play Pakistan.... & get fired up, India!

  • POSTED BY dr.jha on | January 7, 2012, 4:31 GMT

    only problem is indian players and public and media they all are living in a dream world.. they have conjured up few nothions and have been celebrating it since... faulty selection plays its part too...i mean come on , the only time they scored runs in australia was when pitches were flat..( and i am including perth wicket of 2008 as flat) except fro brisbane where dada scored a centuary nowhere else it has been even a threat of anything off the surface.look at their records .. barring sachin and dravid , nobody else has a decent record away from subcontinent and please don't start about laxman in australia .. those were dead pitches..and even sachin and dravid have poor records in SA. its time they start selecting technically correct batsmen or they will keep suffering .. viru can only play straight ball, which is outside off, away from the body , not bounchin too much , not too fast , with feild restrictions and small ground... oh and he can either hit out or get out vs spinners.cont

  • POSTED BY Manush on | January 7, 2012, 3:26 GMT

    We are Masters of excuses and no game plan and bereft of ideas and commitments. MSD has once again proved himself to be a poor choice for 5 days cricket as a captain as also as a lower order batsman. He has been getting away due to his grand success in shorter versions of the game. The so called seniors have had enough of all gains in their extended career. The BBCI has been blank in ideas and have been basking in One day Glory and never shown any sign of long term planning in developing youngsters to fill up the void which is overdue. For the last over 15 months the Media and pundits in India have been talking endlessly on one individual landmark which has ruined Sachin's peace as also the team's direction. Look at Clarke who is a standing example for teams interest over individuals. Kapil another great Indian Cricket had been in the rent past has been emphasizing this point but few takers. The selection committee should be held responsible for this expected debacle in my view.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 3:12 GMT

    can any body tell me, when did dhoni played a good test inning? he may be good in ODIs/T20 But when did he played responsible inning last time, can anybody please refresh my memory?please. what about sehwag? what should we call him? opener batsman or number 8th/9th/10th/11th slogger. even zaheer khan did played better than him in 2nd inning (similar passion). Do we need laxman any more? whatz wrong with varun aaron, he played good against WI. i think he was better option than bringing inured ishant to this tour. Ashwin can bat, but what about his bowling? even M clarke bowled better than him. i don't blame dravid, gambhir, zaheer, umesh................nne of them are my favourite, but atleast they r doing something. Sachin is playing good, but what about responsiblities? Is he just playing for himself? i think so........... there is lot to say. but i think i said more than enough.......................plaese do correct me if i'm wrong......

  • POSTED BY foursandsixes on | January 7, 2012, 3:03 GMT

    Can we get a role for Saurav - a mentor or motivator, or what the heck - a non playing captain? The team needs his spirit. MSD also needs tactical advice during the day's play and between days - certainly when the going gets tough. It is clear he is not getting any.

  • POSTED BY r2d3 on | January 7, 2012, 2:54 GMT

    Indian batting needs a lot of fixing. I think the first fix needs to be with Sehwag. The team needs him to give a good start and most of the time he throws away his wicket. He doesn't seem to be bat according to the condition of the pitch, weather, or the situation the team is in. He just goes out there and tries to hit every ball to the boundary from the first over. He should play defensively the first hour, trying to get a feel for what the pitch, air and bowlers are doing. That also helps wear the shine off the ball, making it easier for him and team later. His "see ball, hit ball" strategy is really an "all guts and no brains" strategy. It works only on dead pitches where the ball isn't doing anything. Once he falls quickly, it has a psychological effect on the rest.

  • POSTED BY caught_knott_bowled_old on | January 7, 2012, 2:23 GMT

    India's top 5 batsmen are responsible for this loss. If anything, the England series and this Australia series only proves that there is no reason to keep the ageing middle-order batsmen. India's losing badly anyway. Bring in the new talent now.

  • POSTED BY Naresh28 on | January 7, 2012, 2:01 GMT

    @INDIAN FANS - we are carrying too much dead wood in the current test team. SHEWAG, GAMBHIR,LAXMAN, DHONI - thats four places. Two are openers. That is not good. We can only select a team for the next game from those who are in Australia at present. Dravid could come good and would make the best captain. If we opened with the two youngsters - Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli - both are highly regarded by Ian Chappell - they are the future. Bring in Saha, Rahane and Ohja. Laxman is a slow runner

  • POSTED BY Kyle_Jones235 on | January 7, 2012, 1:55 GMT

    @Mervo Wow your comment is very ignorant, and I have been very frustrated by many people voicing similiar opinions after this test. Yes Sachin Tendulkar is not the same man he once was, but I don't understand why whenever an old player has a rough patch everyone jumps on the "retire now" bandwagon.

    What about Ricky Ponting and Michael Hussey? They were in huge form slumps and people asked for their retirement, should they have retired also? Your own point about Jaques Kallis discredits what you say, as Kallis was also in a huge form slump, averaging around 10 in his lasts 5 or so tests until his big double century... Tendulkar has been at least getting starts, kallis didn't even manage that.

    People were calling for Rahul Dravid's retirement, but in England he was the only competant Indian batsmen and made their defeats slightly less embarrasing. It goes to show that these kind of defeats really exaggerate the flaws of the batsmen and create bias more than anything else

  • POSTED BY Noboundary on | January 7, 2012, 1:38 GMT

    We have 5 players who are well past their expiry date... it is foolish to argue on the strength of their occasional performances... if we bring back Gavaskar, Richards etc... they will still do decently well (at least occasionally)... that does not mean we should have them in present teams! We all appreciate the greatness of these senior players and would like to see them retire and make way for younger, fitter players who are motivated. Their presence reduces intensity in the field (they bat and field poorly and demoralize the bowlers also!). Dhoni: his captaincy is a joke and once stripped off it he will have difficulty in even getting a place in the final 11!

  • POSTED BY pruffhill on | January 7, 2012, 0:43 GMT

    my fellow Indians and cricket followers from around the world. PLEASE DO NOT PANIC. This Indian team can do it. Lets not be supporters of convenience who support only when India win. The Indian Batting was more encouraging in the second innings, it didnt do the job but it showed some promise. Would have been great had Sehwag stuck around and Kohli made his mark but that wasnt to be. Gambhir's back, Sachin looks like class, Dravids there, vvs halfed turned up. We will get there. Rohit Sharma should get his test cap. At the end of the day it was a batting track that was at its juciest on the first morning and we made the wrong decision. You cant go to Aussie and bat first when your team is struggling to post 300 overseas. Dropping the older guys is NOT the answer. We forced GANGULY to retire 3 years back and still cant find his replacement. Stay positive, Team India needs to remember what they can do and take inspiration from their own selves. Never listen to what the chappel bros.

  • POSTED BY on | January 7, 2012, 0:33 GMT

    I agree with most comments here. One cant blame the pitches of course and the application of the Indian batsmen and fielders is woeful. And all this rubbish about the hundred hundreds,most being one day hundreds But realistically one must be positive about this Indian team. They only have to improve in three areas-batting,bowling and fielding.

  • POSTED BY RameshRayaprolu on | January 7, 2012, 0:27 GMT

    If Ganguly was captaining this team, I guess the current overseas 0-6 record could have never happened for India. I think MS should step up and be aggressive towards the team in getting things done. I believe Ganguly always did it, and so the team during his time was always trying to show some fight. Loss or win does not matter, fighting until the end of game matters.

  • POSTED BY Ms.Cricket on | January 7, 2012, 0:20 GMT

    India should give a chance to Rohit Sharma and Rahane in the next Test. On the next tour Dravid and Laxman, great as they are, will not be around while Rohit and Rahane could be. Indian fielding needs more spark. So best is to cut losses and look forward and gain experience for the future. India cannot win this series now so the best team for next Test should be Sehwag, Gambhir, Rahane, Tendulkar, Rohit, Kohli, Dhoni, Ashwin or Ojha, Zaheer, Ishant and Yadav.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 23:39 GMT

    Sack the coach. He spells disaster. McDermott has got India's number fair and square. India can counter it be bringing in Pollock or Mcgrath who know to counter MCDermott far better. As far as batting is concerned it is time for the holy trinity to hang the glove. The famed Indian batting line up seemed so irrelevant to rookie bowlers who massacred them with so much ease while Zak and Aswin showed some grace. Kohli has no better record than Hughes and Khawaja. Why should he be playing while they are not playing. He is still a great one dayer like Yuvi. It doesnt hurt to try Rahane, Monaj Tiwari and even Uthappa in the long form. They are always brought in high pressure situation in ODI and may be they might thrive in a low pressure test situation where they will have 200 overs to waste. If Dhoni an ODI specialist can adapt to tests surely they can.

  • POSTED BY Lmaotsetung on | January 6, 2012, 23:26 GMT

    LOL...one score of 600+ and another score of 400 and someone says Aussie prepared doctored pitch to suit their team when 3 aus wickets fell in their first inning for cheap and Dhoni won the toss and could well have used the conditions on first day to his advantage.

  • POSTED BY TheDoctor394 on | January 6, 2012, 23:21 GMT

    Like they did in England, India just give up too easily.

  • POSTED BY finncam on | January 6, 2012, 23:17 GMT

    India were outplayed again, by a better TEAM. It's as simple as that.

  • POSTED BY sunil_muppirala on | January 6, 2012, 23:02 GMT

    And BTW , if India cant score against Pattinson,Siddle ,Lyon and Hilfenhaus ,they dont deserve a place in the team.Time to try out Rahane and Sharma. They may fail too,but we would never know unless we try them.

  • POSTED BY DMS1111 on | January 6, 2012, 23:01 GMT

    All teams go through there bad periods.Look how pathetic England were for many,many,many years.They EVENTUALLY started to win.England should be called the world team with players from all countries playing for them as they were not good enough to get a game from there natural country.They are a long way from the great teams the WI and AUS.Don`t give up India just yet...

  • POSTED BY sunil_muppirala on | January 6, 2012, 22:59 GMT

    Pls dont blame the IPL...it has its place.But the Indian pitches absolutely suck . No one wants to be a fast bowler in India.Why wont the dim wits in BCCI understand that we need fast bowlers to win test matches anywhere.

  • POSTED BY sunil_muppirala on | January 6, 2012, 22:55 GMT

    continued...

    Rahul and Laxman, thanks for all the great memories you have provided (huge fan of both) , but please call it quits after Sydney.Its true we dont have the plyers to replace them, but we cant keep losing with the same team.We will never find new players unless we try them. Sachin has to mentor for a year and leave.

  • POSTED BY sunil_muppirala on | January 6, 2012, 22:51 GMT

    Not being too harsh at the team but the team is just not good enough . Whats the point in having close to 100 hundreds between the top 3 indian batsmen.Every time India loses they keep saying the opposition bowlers bowled well.When the hell are they going to play well. They only score runs when the opposition team bowls badly or when the tracks are absolutely flat . This test was the worst since this was the best batting conditions that they could have hoped for and yet they couldnt score 200 runs.Pathetic. I am normally not very harsh on the players ,but there is no point in carrying players who keep failing. Heads have to roll . As much as i am a fan of Sachin ,Rahul and Laxman ,they have to go. Atleast 2 of them have to go and we need to find new players.Its a problem that new players are not pushing for a spot but no point in carrying players who have failed us time and again.Its true we bowled very badly in this test ,but the batsmen lost it in the first session of the test match

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 22:21 GMT

    Pakistani here: Watched bits of the match and I have to admit that the Indian team showed no signs of collecting themselves after a humiliating defeat in the first test which in my opinion was lost just because of Dhoni's defensive approach when the Aussie tail was batting. Lessons must be learnt very quickly in this sport because if you keep making the same mistakes again and again than the people of the sub-continent can be very unforgiving. I would love to see a fightback in the remaining two test matches, nothing more satisfactory than to see an Asian time fighting their hearts out on Aussie turf.

  • POSTED BY mustufa on | January 6, 2012, 22:16 GMT

    Nothing needs to change, just play the same team, Perth could be the final nail in the coffin of the oldies who don't want to retire.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 21:42 GMT

    India's lack of resolve and poor execution has shown them to be the highly overrated team that many (except their own supporters) of us already knew.

  • POSTED BY ingy7215 on | January 6, 2012, 21:41 GMT

    Ohhhhhhh...the piranha's are out in force.....Agree with Mervo....Indians have been over rated...playing at home is far different than performing away....Seriously feel sorry for Indian cricket fans because it is not going to get better any time soon.... they have had the solace of knowing that at home they were nearly invincible with Tendulkar Dravid Laxman.... that soon will not be the case as overdue retirements are going to make them cellar dwellers......

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 6, 2012, 21:35 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas: I can fully understand your frustration & disappointment just like all other fans.But Dhoni is not the only problem. The same team under Kirsten performed superbly.Since Fletcher took over India had 6 straight overseas losses in tests to England & now to Australia.India also needs bowlers who are wkt. takers. Dinda & Irfan Pathan were the guys who took bagful of wkts. in Ranji this year. Get them both in the XI & drop Kohli.Alternate choice to Pathan is Jadeja. Having Jadeja on spinners wkt. & Pathan on Seamers' wicket.India will have 6 batsmen & 5 bowlers.In this team only Sachin & Ashwin are consistent batsmen. The rest are inconsistent. At the same time 4 bowler theory is not working. So an all rounder is the answer.Jadeja & Pathan are both great fielders & provide a different look in bowling. Jadeja got a triple ton in Ranji this year.The Selectors are trying to justify their "great" selection instead of working to the team needs.Send these 3 to boost team morale.

  • POSTED BY Jambhavan on | January 6, 2012, 21:24 GMT

    So here we go again - another post mortem. Aging batting "legends" who don't want to retire - true. Fielders who move like sloths - true. Inconsistent bowling - true. Unimaginative listless captaincy from MSD - absolutely true. Clearly the #1 problem is the batting and it's not so much that the "legends" are too old, or that the youngsters are too green, rather it's the IPL influence. How many time have Indian batsmen in test matches (outside India) played a long innings of 150+ in the past 2-3 years? Many of the same batsmen flourish in the one day format but why can't they perform in tests? Simple - IPL has eroded the ability of Indian batsmen to concentrate for long periods and play long innings. Given IPL's popularity in India, it would appear sadly that Indian test cricket is in terminal decline.

  • POSTED BY GeorgeWBush on | January 6, 2012, 21:21 GMT

    India clearly learnt nothing from defeat in England. Another tour abroad and again they schedule too few warm up games to have any realistic chance of winning the first test. After that confidence drops and defeat after defeat will follow. If India want a competitive test side then they have to take test cricket more seriously and that means the BCCI needs to change the schedule for future tours to give the players the chance to get used to conditions. In future proper preparation will be even more important as the team will be very inexperienced once Dravid, Laxman and Tendulkar are no longer in the team. I'm sorry to say it, but India are getting precisely what they deserve.

  • POSTED BY Shan156 on | January 6, 2012, 21:20 GMT

    @Mervo, agree about the hype on the 100th 100 but c'mon, you can't compare Kallis, the batsman, with Sachin. Sachin has been more consistent for a much longer period and has superb records against everyone, everywhere. Kallis may have a better overall average but he averages less than 30 in 12 tests in England and just over 35 in SL. Sachin ought to be the best batsman of this generation. As a cricketer, because of his better bowling abilities, Kallis may be better than Sachin. But, as a batsman, Sachin towers over everyone else.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 20:37 GMT

    Yeah lets bank on the future. Send the under-19 team to play next time around.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 19:59 GMT

    time to take the bitter pill, axe Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman. The wall has some bricks missing as chappel put it, laxman has lost is love for Aussie pitches and Tendulkar, despite getting fifties, is leaving the team hanging dry everytime. had he scored the 120 odd he made in the test in one innings, it would have been useful. these runs in slices are taking his team no where.

  • POSTED BY Mervo on | January 6, 2012, 19:57 GMT

    Really India have been over rated for years. They were for a time flat-track bullies against lesser opposition, which inflated their ranking. Reality has now sunk in. There are major problems in both batting and bowling, often derived from too much of the non-cricketers' cricket - T20.

    Tendulkar should retire, he is a shadow of his former self. He will be soon overtaken by better players anyway, such as Jacques Kallis. What a stunning performance he gave over these last 4 days. Tendulkar should retire rather than chasing this '100th hundred', a notion I don't understand, as half of the 100s are in ODIs, and they are not even classified as first class games, due to the restrictions on the bowlers, the field size and settings. I can't see the point of the whole 100th hundred at all.

  • POSTED BY balawji on | January 6, 2012, 19:46 GMT

    India's historical win-rate in tests, going as far back as 1932, has been greater than 25% only against Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. So, even though 6 in a row hurts, I guess we will win 1 out of 4 against Australia this time around (true to the record).

  • POSTED BY shivashish on | January 6, 2012, 19:38 GMT

    Thanks for the media in india at least we are having some concern on india's habit of loosing in test matches abroad otherwise it is sad story in the india for test matches.In country like india respect for the test cricket is missing in the public which has an direct approach on the players attitude.I think india's current batting trio were dedicated for the cause of test matches but the upcoming generation will soil it with their ipl style of play.look at kohli,the guy has the attitude as if he has been around for 10 years and he can't make mistake.

  • POSTED BY OhhhMattyMatty on | January 6, 2012, 19:38 GMT

    Indian team from now on: Rahane, Dravid(c), Pujara, R.Sharma, M.Tiwary, Karthik(wk), I.Pathan, Ashwin, P.Kumar, I.Sharma, U.Yadav

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 19:26 GMT

    There is no mention not even hint for any change (anywhere in the entire cricinfo website). We have 6 defeats overseas in as many matches. If Ganguly was in the team, these same columnists would have been all over the place preaching how new young blood would have helped.

  • POSTED BY nobbin on | January 6, 2012, 19:14 GMT

    gambhir- cowan sewagh- warner dravid- marsh sachin-ponting laxman- clarke dhoni- hussy kohli- haddin aswin- lyon saheer- ben ishant- siddle yadav- pattinson i cant find which part aussie become greater than india....... but i think its team work

  • POSTED BY ObaidAnsari on | January 6, 2012, 19:05 GMT

    And what are the positives dhoni took from this match? The rate at which he takes out positives from each match irrespective of result may leave cricket with only negatives ;)

  • POSTED BY Shan156 on | January 6, 2012, 18:54 GMT

    Immediately after every Indian defeat overseas, fans start blaming the pitch and start talking about how it is impossible to beat India in India. It is true that it is very difficult to beat India in India (they have suffered, what, like 3 series defeats in the last 25 years or so, England have suffered 3 in the past decade). But, it is not correct to blame the pitch for the defeat. India's batting has so much class to overcome the difficulties posed by the pitch. Instead, blame it on the batsmen not working hard enough - excluding the big 3, of course, who are simply getting old and two of them should retire gracefully; Tendulkar is fine - he could even play the next time India tours down under. Kohli looks like he seriously lacks the technique to bat in tests though he is a very fine ODI batsman. Gambhir is good, give him time. Sehwag needs to curtail his aggressive approach a bit. Give the bowling unit more time. Finally, Dhoni should be out of the test team.

  • POSTED BY harshacc on | January 6, 2012, 18:44 GMT

    God Ashwin is a more reliable bat than Kohli.Push him up the order.What do we have to lose?The big guns aren't carrying on with their starts

  • POSTED BY toucheandsuch on | January 6, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    What needs fixing at Perth - Sehwag to be told he must bat 50 overs, Gambhir to stop closing the face of the bat, Rahul to look happy and bat freely, Sachin to bat like he did for his first fifty runs, VVS ditto as Rahul, Virat to be the 12th man and Rohit to play instead, MS to think about field placings and relax his grip on the bottom hand, Zaheer and Ishant to keep talking to Umesh and develop a real team. Finally and this may sound shocking, but Ashwin should be replaced by Pragyan. It is shameful that even with the bounce on offer, he did not trouble anyone. He is there to take wickets not to get runs. Can someone remember the heroics of Dilip Doshi and Shivlal Yadav on far less helpful wickets and with many butter fingers on the field? More than our pacers, Ashwin was a disaster and no one is talking about it. BTW the reason Zaheer came a cropper against Ponting & Clarke was that he was not able to bring the ball back to them and they knew it. Is he really fit?

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | January 6, 2012, 18:35 GMT

    I thin India showed a bit more fight.But that was a hell of a late collapse and just shows the weakness of the batting lineup against a very weak Aus bowling line up

  • POSTED BY Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on | January 6, 2012, 18:19 GMT

    WILL ANYBODY LISTEN TO ME? Can we please drop Dhoni and Kohli? Can we have Dinesh Karthik and Rohit Sharma please? I beg you BCCI..Please....Dhoni is a liability...please...enough is enough...he's been doing this 'spread the field when the oppostion is under pressure' for more than an year now.....and look at his gully batting and compare with the topnotch batting of his counterpart...and Dhoni probably thinks that he is increasing the pressure by spreading the field as in an ODI or t20...please drop him...for God's sake...It's very painful to realise that he let yet another series slip when India had the upper hand twice at MCG and once at SCG......Now the trimuvirate will have to retire without a series win down under...what a sad story..

  • POSTED BY IndianCrazyFan on | January 6, 2012, 18:14 GMT

    To me the series is lost when Sachin was unfortunately bowled by Siddle on 2nd day at MCG. That triggered a gr8 collapse and ended and Indians not gaining any confidence. Whatever anyone has to say bad or good Sachin is still the best of the lot . Only failure now we see in last 8 months is 5,6 failures . If you see the stats though Sachin scored 50-60 runs 5,6 Laxman or Ganguly made sure we dont lose momentum It was missing in last 6 tests. Kohli didnot fit well in the lot. Rohit is sure to get chance. Poor guy will debut at Perth on tough wicket.

    I remember Indian losing 4-0 in 1992 and there might be a great chance of them ending same. 2007 India bounced back from SCG -- Indians did well at SCG scored 500 odd but unlucky to lose so they never were on bad state. But now they were completely thrashed. Unless we see 200+ from someone hard to see them bouncing with 2-1 or 2-2 or 2-0

  • POSTED BY srivatsan on | January 6, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    @@baskar_guha, Spin wickets for what?. MCG was a juicy wicket but Australia batted first, no one prevented Indian bowlers from taking wickets. SCG no one has any right to complain apart from 1-2 very good dismissals they threw their wickets away. You won't get a more friendlier surface (if Ashwin could score 65 and top order cannot you have serious problems dude). Whatever surface you provide Australia, they did not lose as badly last time in India, rather India won it because of a determined Laxman. Last Ashes every wicket was bowling wicket apart from Gabba (remember 98 all out) and Adelaide (3-2). Most recently SA gave them a mine field in Cape Town that they got shot out for 47 (remember they also shot SA out for 90 odd). It's just conviction to play pitch etc are excuses.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 18:01 GMT

    When four (or six?!?!) Australian men outscored twenty Indians... that's what I ll remember this match for for a long time...

  • POSTED BY smalishah84 on | January 6, 2012, 17:59 GMT

    Sambit I haven't read such scathing stuff from you in a long time. Have to agree though that the Indian body language too has been very very negative. There has to be energy in the field by everybody and not just the captain. And Dhoni is not as bad as people are making him out to be.

  • POSTED BY sam_m on | January 6, 2012, 17:39 GMT

    This sort of defeat is happening all too often for the Indian side. Despite that, their batting continues to be worshipped by fans and oppossing players before the start of every series. If it hadn't been for a successful world cup campaign, half of the team would have been dropped by now.

  • POSTED BY 200ondebut on | January 6, 2012, 17:35 GMT

    Why do ppl still go on about the pitch? You can't say it is a bad batting wicket when one side score 659 for 4!!! (and it was the same story in England) Excuses excuses excuses. Wake up India - it is not the pitches it is your players!!!

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 17:30 GMT

    I don't think this Australian team is in the same league as yesteryear teams in terms of talent but they make it up with their aggressive attitude and their will to win. As shuvoroy31 said, we should take bold actions and sit the old legs. There needs to be pressure to perform in every test match especially in a significant away series as this one. I wouldn't count any of the runs scored by any of our batsmen in the 2nd innings as that counts to nothing. Gambhir, Laxman and even Sachin- your runs were useless. You played in a rather comfortable and pressure-less situation where you had already realized that this hill can't be climbed. I also think aggression in the field is essential for us to compete which we can't do with our seniors or marginally fit players. It's high time we instill physical and mental strength in our players. BCCI should occasionally stop counting its money and start doing something about all this. This is sickening to the core.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 17:22 GMT

    Before the series, I picked India to win the series based on their batting strength and supporting bowling attack. However, I have been disappointed on both the fronts. Sehwag does not look interested. Gambhir keeps on getting out in slips. VVS and Dravid are not in good form. Tendulkar looked good on occassions but as soon as the teeam is in under pressure, he gets out as well. Mahesh Yadev looked very good in first test but did not have a very good game. Ishant is not improving and Ashwin had no chance. Why not play an extra bowler? After all, if the star batsmen are not doing anything what is Virat Kohli going to do? All in all, not a good series for India so far. But at least you have IPL to look forward to.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    Thankfully, the series is as good as over. Request VVS, Dravid and SRT (for crying out loud!) to join Dada in the commentary box. Please, don't occupy the line-up to mess the careers of Kohli, Sharma and such talents! It was a blast, these guys have made India immeasurably proud and entertained a generation; but now, move on.

  • POSTED BY arvik on | January 6, 2012, 17:03 GMT

    The dream is over. The stalwarts will leave without conquering the final frontier that they always dreamed of. Sorry mates, your skipper let you down at MCG and more so at the SCG. Did any one realize that Australia who won the toss in 2011 against England and in 2010 against Pakistan and opting to bat folded out meekly? Australia ended up in the losing side against England and if not for Kamran Akmal, Pakistan would have thrashed them as well. MS won the toss and elected to bat - that was over confidence & silly. You've to look at history, MS. SCG is a batting paradise but not during the first 4 sessions. MS simply handed it over to Clarke - a slow starter, perhaps. As the legendary Wasim Akram repeated over & over, the body language was always amiss. I believe they didn't want to win it as much as we wanted them to. In fact, at Perth, MS will play Rohit ahead of Kohli when he could get creative and play Ashwin for Kohli and Ojha as the second spinner - the pacers are useless anyway.

  • POSTED BY Dashat on | January 6, 2012, 16:51 GMT

    baskar_guha one side just scored 650 on this pitch and the other 400 in the 2nd innings? doctored wicket you think?

    Please go and paint the road for a while.

  • POSTED BY ashu.lifeisbeautiful on | January 6, 2012, 16:50 GMT

    The Indian batsmen seem to have met their match in the form of the Aussie pace attack BUT the Aussie batsmen seem to love the Indian bowling. This point is missing jigsaw of the picture you have painted. The pitch appeared to be different when the Indians batted because the Australia's pace battery was charged up and they seemed really motivated to finish off India.

  • POSTED BY phoenixsteve on | January 6, 2012, 16:36 GMT

    Another very convincing win by the Aussies and some semblance of days gone by.... We shouldn't get carried away though because this India side is very poor. Weakly led with a poor bowling attack supported by aging 'legends' in the field. On this showing you'd have to rank India below all test playing teams bar perhaps Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Of course the Indian supporters (some of them anyhow) will respond with "wait 'til they come to the subcontinent" - this is just masking the wretchedness of the Indian game. India and it's fans deserves much better and the sooner the old men (AKA "legends") are replaced the better. I for one have grown tired of the excuses and lack of fight shown by the Indian cricketing machine. Come on BCCI - even you guys can do better than this!

  • POSTED BY rajat-column on | January 6, 2012, 16:32 GMT

    Indian batsman have a lot of problem with the moving ball. Their habit to poke outside the off stump is suicidal and which needs to be rectified because the moving balls outside the off stump are not to be played in swinging conditions in test matches. That is the reason SM Gavaskar was very successfull in overseas conditions against quality attacks.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 16:30 GMT

    Continued from previous post.....

    That shows everything. The batsmen HAVE to score more consistency - else India will get nowhere in this tour. As for Kohli - Drop him. Even Umesh and Zaheer have higher averages than him in this series. Looked totally gullible to the bowlers. Time that Rohit Sharma deserves a try.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 16:27 GMT

    The batting has been the main problem, that I agree. The chief problem is that the batsmen don't perform consistently enough. Look at the scores made by each batsman in the 4 innings they have played:

    Gambhir - 3, 13, 0, 83 - avg 24.75 Sehwag - 67, 7, 30, 4 - avg 27 Dravid - 68, 10, 5, 29 - avg 28 Tendulkar - 73, 32, 41, 80 - avg 56.50 Laxman - 2, 1, 2, 66 - avg 22.75 Kohli - 11, 0, 23, 9 - avg 10.75 Dhoni - 6, 23, 57*, 2 - avg 29.67 Ashwin - 31, 30, 20, 62 - avg 35.75

    Tendulkar is the ONLY batsman who scored decent runs in all the innings & had 2 half-centuries. The fact that the second highest batting average here is from Ashwin says it all. The rest of the batsmen all have ONE half-century and was out cheaply in the other innings. Laxman and Gambhir's only main contribution to the runs was in their innings today. Dhoni, Sehwag and Dravid with the exception of their 50's had one mediocre score above 20 and low scores in their other two innings.

  • POSTED BY KK_Cricket on | January 6, 2012, 16:22 GMT

    Defensive mindset is completely taking India down and out... Need an aggressive leader who can take it on him and show confidence on his players especially bowlers... Dhoni should be in the team as wk...

  • POSTED BY TRAM on | January 6, 2012, 16:22 GMT

    @baskar_guha, I agree. I extend what you said. Ind should 2/3 sets of tracks. One for pace, one for spin and other absolutely flat. Train the Ind top pool of players in pace & spin tracks. They are already maters in flat tracks. Use the kind of tracks depending on the opponents, spin/flat if Aus/Eng/SA visit and Pace/Seam track if sub-continent teams visit. Let the "TRACK-WAR" begin. Actually it has already begun, right? In other words, India should NOT copy Eng/Aus pitches blindly thinking that pace tracks is the de facto standard.

  • POSTED BY Marcio on | January 6, 2012, 16:09 GMT

    @baskar_guha, did you even watch any of the game? Far from preparing a fast bouncy, green track, this Sydney pitch was unusually flat, slow and dry! Perfect for India! Not sure what positive you are talking about for India. They scored 590 runs for 20 wickets, AUS 650 for 4 wickets. India got thrashed! I hope India come back strongly in the next game, though. It's no fun watching teams get thrashed, least of all one with (formerly) great players in it.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 16:06 GMT

    If Aus made pitches similar to the ones used in England, then I would say that Aussies are the worst players of the moving ball. Remember the Ashes boxing day match when Australia were all out for 96 and India with three bowlers who can seam & swing did not use the conditions to their advantage. The truth is India are over confident & Australia had worked hard to win this match. You can see that everyone is contributing, there are a few exceptions. Worst part after losing the 1st test, India go into the 2nd test unchanged as if they've got only 11 to play. Why carry along other players.

  • POSTED BY ZackAidan on | January 6, 2012, 15:57 GMT

    I think it is time for Indian cricket to wake up and start making sporting pitches in India so their batsmen are use to bouncy pitches. i sometimes wonder what would our ranking be if we only played away series for two years. I guess we will be right next to West Indies and Bangladesh. It is a tremendous waste of talent. Sachin should be given rest now he has had a great career now it seems that he is out there to make records. He hasn't been a part of any match winning performances for the past 5 to 6 years.

  • POSTED BY samudralakiku on | January 6, 2012, 15:49 GMT

    @ Farce-Follower - I agree with you completely. MSD along with some senior players should be dropped and made responsible for these loses. When ever you think there can not be any more lows, Indian team strives hard to find another new low. This is disgusting.

  • POSTED BY anita1_cric on | January 6, 2012, 15:47 GMT

    The articule does not make sense.. in this pitch india make 300 + runs is not at all a big deal ...even indian woman cricket team would have scored that in this pitch which was like batsman paradaise .. Indian must be ashame of themeselves

  • POSTED BY CBJ. on | January 6, 2012, 15:40 GMT

    The simple fact is that the Indian batsmen are getting older and/or do not play particularly well when aware from home. It doesn't matter what slant you put on it, with very few exceptions, India constantly get pummeled when facing a decent bowling attack out of the sub-continent. Before Dravid's heroics in England, he was in poor form. VVS was awful in England (and should have been dropped), Gambhir cannot play the short ball, Sehwag has no footwork and lives/dies by the sword, Kohli (who I think is an excellent prospect) just isn't performing. The exception - as always - is the Little Master.

    And if India are ever introspectively honest (as if that will ever happen), they might actually start looking at the negative way in which T20 - and in particular the IPL - is changing the characteristics and techniques of their batsmen.

    Also, poor tactical decisions, a weak bowling attack and shoddy fielding don't help.

    Seriously, who is surprised by these results????

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 15:36 GMT

    Well the pitches and conditions should not be an excuse, when you have legends Laxman, Dravid and all of the above the little master Tendulkar in your team, they can and they have scored all over the world, I think may be they are aging and India needs to inject fresh blood in the team and plan long term for test cricket, give Rohit and Rhane a chance and tune the mindset of kohli because he just always throw away his wicket..... and where is Yuvraj comon guys India is much better test side than what Australia made them look [Pretty Average], In the end I would like to say that do not blame pitches follow the indicators where they are pointing

  • POSTED BY REH223 on | January 6, 2012, 15:28 GMT

    @baskar_guha: stop crying over nature of pitches. If you want india to be real no.1 then they must be able to beat every team on any pitch that is offered. AUS team of last decade never cried over the pitch nature. They just performed superbly in all conditions and that is why they were the no. 1 team

  • POSTED BY Rumy1 on | January 6, 2012, 15:19 GMT

    Kohli and Ashwin should be dropped and Rohit and Ojha must play in Perth. No questions about that. Although WACA is a pacers delight I wouldn't risk playing average Ranji bowlers like Vinay or Mithun. Wonder how they made it to team. No Dravid must be persisted with. Even 1/3rd of an out of form Dravid is better than likes ODI wonders like Kohli or Rahane. Given the conditions and team in dire straits, ideally,a major surgery is required mid way on tour if some pride is to be salvaged. Rush experienced Wasim Jaffer,Badrinath and Irfan Pathan right away in to Perth. If Bhajji is fit now he should be on flight as well. Send Kohli, Ashwin, Gambhir and Mithun home. If Gambhir is to be persisted with, then, let Sehwag and Jaffer open. Gambhir can be No.3, Sachin No.4 and Dravid No.5 Laxman No.6 Rohit will sit out. Irfan will replace Ashwin at Perth. Mr.Srikkanth are you listening? On another note, when will greats -Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag and Laxman deliver and atleast win a series overseas

  • POSTED BY Fiery67 on | January 6, 2012, 15:15 GMT

    @baskar_guha the pitches prepared are not tailored to disadvantage the opposition but to provide good attractive cricket & allow both bowlers and batsmen opportunity to succeed if they play well. For proof look at the pitches prepared for last seasons ashes tests, same conditions as this season, and if anything that favoured the english team (and aust were soundly beaten - although admittedly by a better team so pitch conditions are in no way an excuse). Indian supporters may be getting confused a bit because they are comparing the conditions to what generally prevailed on their last visit which were somewhat of a nadir of pitches in this country (far to bland/lifeless to try and ensure full five day matches). This was recognised as an error (all fans would rather see 3-4 days of exciting cricket than 5 dull ones that may still not provide a result in the match) by CA an an edict to prepare pitches with more pace/bounce was issued - result, generally brilliant test matches since.

  • POSTED BY AdnanSiddiqui on | January 6, 2012, 15:14 GMT

    Share embarrassment on a batting track this time - Is this really a world strongest batting lineup (just on paper I guess) ... I am amazed reading comment like "Do you think they would have similar tracks against the Proteas or the English given their attacks?: ... Come on baskar_guha - this was a batting track where close to 700 runs were scored for mare 4 wickets.

    I think this is a result of negative mindset - Seems like India lost it before stepping in the ground !!! ... I hope to see better contest from the strongest ever batting lineup in next 2 test just to avoid further embarrassment.

  • POSTED BY sandgroperdada on | January 6, 2012, 15:12 GMT

    When will Indian supporters and commentators stop referring to Tendulkar as 'god' and the best batsman in the world? What is the evidence? He is a great batsman, no doubt. But when has he got India out of a difficult situation as today? I am sick of all the fuss about his hundredth hundred. He is a good batsman, but he doesn't have the tenacity and staying power of some of his contemporaries in world cricket. This test match proved that once again. Indian batsmen have lost this test match for India. Sehwag should be dropped. He is absolutely irresponsible. I have faith that Dravid will fight back. I am not so sure about VVS. Time for major changes and chances need to be given to the younger brigade.

  • POSTED BY ddlj26 on | January 6, 2012, 15:12 GMT

    India i believe is not a decline, Cricket is a game of mental strength more than talent especially test cricket, your attitude on the field represents your win loss ratio, what has been disappointing from India has been the attitude, they have wandering all over the place with batting, bowling and fielding... Show the right attitude by showing the desire to win and things will take care of itself

  • POSTED BY Ross_Co on | January 6, 2012, 15:07 GMT

    baskar_guha Eastern Australia has had one of the wettest & coldest summers in decades. Didn't need any pitch doctoring - just miserable weather. As for "The lesson for BCCI is to prepare turning tracks for all matches" - umm, as opposed to...what exactly?

  • POSTED BY ssasmal on | January 6, 2012, 15:07 GMT

    Not fair to compare with England tour: England tour debacle was due to Absence of Zaheer, Tough weather condition, Physical and mental fatigue, Long injury list. Australia tour is because Australians are playing good cricket.

  • POSTED BY mensan on | January 6, 2012, 15:01 GMT

    with IPL, india has no hope of doing well in tests anyway. second 4-0 whitewash awaits them.

  • POSTED BY rohitcanbat on | January 6, 2012, 14:58 GMT

    Very very bitter feeling.been following cricket for 35 years(since I was 10 years old)In these years we toured down under 8 times.78,81,85,92,99.03,07,and 12.this is the 3rd time we were facing a weak Aus team.In 78 we faced the weakest team as all their stars were away playing for Packer.In 85 they were a young side with only Border as a player of repute.this was the 3rd time we faced a comparatively weaker team .In 78 we lost 3-2 and in 85 it was 0-0.Better thing were expected from india this time and but now we are headed towards 4-0 whitewash.I cannot digest this.I want all thel batsmen dropped except Gambir and Kohli.let rohit,rahane etc get a hit.After the 4-0 debacle in england and this 2-0, nothing more worse can happen .Shewag,sachin,dravid and Laxman should leave on moral grounds.Sachinas usual committed the sin of going ultra defensive as his 100 approached.Instead of smashing clarke and lyon he allowed them to get on top of him.we beared you for 22years.Now pl quit.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 14:56 GMT

    I would lose with a bunch of youngsters than with oldies who just would not go quietly into sunset....We have three people -sehwag and Zaheer who are not best of the fielders in the side. However greats the great are there comes a time when their enthusiasm is not what it was when they were 18....time to go guys....let the new come in....even if it is painful in short term

  • POSTED BY veetee2011 on | January 6, 2012, 14:51 GMT

    Two thoughts. 1. If Aus, Eng, SA, NZ make grassy/bouncy/seaming pitches,we should make the turning pitches. We have to play to our strengths for all the home series. Remember the 1990s? Turning tracks? Win toss, bat first, post big total, get the opposition bundle out in two days. Game over in 3-4 days. 2. We should get rid of the aging four-five players immediately and replace them with youngsters. With a young team, at least fans won't blame as much compared to the current/aging team.

  • POSTED BY mondotv on | January 6, 2012, 14:48 GMT

    Doctored seam friendly wickets? Have a look at the weather my Indian friends - the wettest November and December in about 50 years and surprise - the MCG did a bit more than usual - and I mean a bit, not a lot and the SCG actually played about the same as always - it has turned earlier but only in dry summers. I think everyone's reading too much into the role the wicket has played - and not enough into the fact that neither Ishant Sharma or Zaheer Khan are fully fit and Yadav like a lot of young quicks is a little inconsistent but a very promising talent. Meanwhile Australia's attack has really clicked and Hilfenhaus has come back with a bang.

  • POSTED BY ahweak on | January 6, 2012, 14:47 GMT

    The article is correct regarding the body language on the field. Victory needs intent first, followed by effort. There was neither intent nor belief in the field. Dhoni is a poor test captain and a poorer test batsman. He should stick to ODI and T20.

  • POSTED BY FireChopper on | January 6, 2012, 14:41 GMT

    Dhoni's captaincy has a problem. You can't just stand there appearing cool and composed all the time. As a leader you have to goad, coerce, inspire...basically do anything and everything to get a performance out of your team. Contrast him with any of the former great captains like Imran, Mark Taylor, etc. In ODIs, he is better both as a player and as a captain (India is a better ODI team than test team).

  • POSTED BY Jackk12 on | January 6, 2012, 14:40 GMT

    Grassy pitch? ROFL. This pitch was as flat as it could get (Anyone remember 659/4?), yet Indians got bowled out twice. Keep blaming pitches and anyone but yourself.

  • POSTED BY spongebat_squarestumps on | January 6, 2012, 14:33 GMT

    @baskar_guha - "The lesson for BCCI is to prepare turning tracks for all matches when England, South Africa and Australia come calling in the next two years" - so how exactly does this help Inda win when overseas? No team becomes #1 by winning home series only...

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 6, 2012, 14:30 GMT

    The most embarassing capitulation was the total failure of the Indian Bowlers who were dominated by Ponting, Clarke & Hussey.It is tough to come back when you are so dominated by the opposition with 620 runs for the loss of one wicket. It was the turning point of the match. Lack of wicket taking bowlers & ability of Dhoni to keep the side inspired are the 2 biggest factors that need to be addressed. An exhuberant & outgoing Captain is India's top priority. In this respect Clarke was miles ahead of Dhoni.Future goal:India should groom someone like Manoj Tiwary or Kohli for the captaincy role. Australian tour: India needs wicket taking bowlers. Both I.Pathan & A.Dinda have done exceptionally well in Ranji matches this year.Fly both of them & include them in the XI.India should play 5 batsmen +WK + All rounder + 4 bowlers.With Ashwin batting well, India will have batting till #8.This will prevent demoralizing capitulation due to lack of Wkt. taking bowlers. Indian Seelctors must ACT NOW!

  • POSTED BY DMS1111 on | January 6, 2012, 14:22 GMT

    Would you like the australians to prepare turning tracks for you next time.Would that make you happy.In return when australians go to India you can in return prepare quick bouncy wickets for the australians.Excuses..excuses...just admit that you were not good enough to win.....

  • POSTED BY prozak on | January 6, 2012, 14:18 GMT

    Sure. Lets start blaming the tracks. Its not the players fault.

  • POSTED BY ruester on | January 6, 2012, 14:13 GMT

    As an English fan, I am shocked to read that India won't play an overseas test for two years. Your younger players need to experience all conditions in order to improve. BCCI take note of the ECB they are sending our best up and coming players to play in sub continent conditions, they are not sitting back and thinking we are number 1 we are the best. They are planning and investing for our future success too, BCCI, as a cricket fan I am disgusted at your insular attitude and desire to put T20 ahead of everything else, Indian fans will grow bored of T20 and will switch off soon enough. Test cricket is the ultimate form of the game and India will continue to get thrashed overseas if you don't act now. Just think you are getting a beating now with batting greats in your side. Sachin, Dravid and VVS will have to come to an end soon....then you will be in serious trouble because from what I have seen of India, your young players can only bat on flat slow pitches.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 14:09 GMT

    Past Test series we have seen by the Indians played... they can't even bat for 1 day, but the oppositions do bat for 2 days make our bowlers tired and our batsmen are not even tired. The bowlers are far more better than the regular batsmen....Youngsters are just playing for fame and loads of money and the legends are tired and could not give up as they are the only hope of the Indian Test Matches....the differences between the past and the present young players(talking abt the test squad) the young can't bat for hours nor they have enough patience nor have a price on their wicket.....how can we win if we cannot even draw a test match???????

  • POSTED BY indianpunter on | January 6, 2012, 13:48 GMT

    As big a fan of Tendulkar as i am, i cannot help but say that Sachin had a role to play in today's debacle. Had he put his teams cause before his personal landmark ( which i fear he will never get to ), we might have extended the game to day 5. I cannot, for the life of me, comprehend why Sachin had to bottle up and become so defensive when he got to the 70s. We would have had a better chance, had he been still around when the new ball came along. Sachin can take a leaf out of Clarke's book. Team before self, but then how many Indian players will know that ?? I havent felt this gutted since Sydney 2008.

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | January 6, 2012, 13:34 GMT

    @baskar_guha - you are clutching at straws, desperately clutching at straws; "The lesson for BCCI is to prepare turning tracks for all matches when England, South Africa and Australia come calling in the next two years...." do you really think that India producing "spinning tracks" at home is going to make them into world beaters? Of course not. The problem in England and in Australia isn't just the batting. Look at this "first choice, uninjured" india bowling compared to Australia. Australia take 20 wickets and india only 4 wickets, 3 of those were rookie Aussie batsmen. Then Aus pile up 600+ runs in one declared innings and bowl out india twice on a totally flat pitch for under 600 runs in TWO innings. The gulf between England and Australia is vast, but the gulf between india and Australia is even bigger. Australia aren't even that good. india have somehow managed to make Australia look good!

  • POSTED BY Alexk400 on | January 6, 2012, 13:31 GMT

    For me it is lack of planning from fletcher to dhoni to counter opposition. They are waiting for someone to fall and blame it on them. No one want to take responsibility. Even 4-0 loss to england BCCI did nothing. Even after 4-0 loss against aussie , bcci won't do anything. Why bother. Not pattinson injured , india may be able to draw next two tests. Pattinson was taking key wickets and applying lots of pressure. Without him , it is like safety valve release for india. For me indian bowlers used all their energy in first Test in boler friendly condition and they did n't have nay to offer. Indian bowlers are kinda impotent in overseas. Ashwin is non existent , Ishant sharma just collecting paycheck. Yada is typical indian bowler , his speed will go down to 130ish in next few tests and disappear because he is useless junky bowler. Anyways i stopped watching cricket..India need 4-0 whoophing...i hope it stings badly.

  • POSTED BY Chris_Howard on | January 6, 2012, 13:23 GMT

    India should have made Australia bat again. In fact, they should have been playing to win. But no, they had accepted defeat and just tried to delay it as long as possible. Time was on their side. They could have batted til mid-fith day, got a lead of 150-plus, and given themselves a chance - or at least made Australia earn it. Sadly, they never tried, they gave up and gave it away. They lost belief in themselves, and they lost belief in cricket. Cricket is a funny game. It aint over til it's over. They could have won, or at least, not given up trying to.

  • POSTED BY Texmex on | January 6, 2012, 13:21 GMT

    Dhoni should look at Clarke on how to captain. Even after a 100 run partnership the Aussies were constantly scheming, trying new things like putting close in fielders right under Laxman nose, putting people saving singles etc. That paid off with Tendulkar's wicket. On the other hand Dhoni's men give up as soon as their is a 100 run partnership.

    Also Tendulkar gets out whenever he goes defensive and in a negative frame of mind.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 13:19 GMT

    but irfan pathan is not in squad this time to win perth test

  • POSTED BY here2rock on | January 6, 2012, 13:14 GMT

    To India's defense Australia had the best of batting conditions. The ball moved all over the place on the first day. India bowled in hot conditions and Austraila enjoyed cooler conditions. Nothing went right for India apart from winning the toss. Why would you bat first on a green track, India has not scored more than 300 runs aboard for so long, crazy decision.

  • POSTED BY Biggus on | January 6, 2012, 13:00 GMT

    The comments on the pitches posted here are silly. If you think this was a particularly 'juicy' SCG wicket you're dreaming. These are not 'doctored' wickets but standard Aussie pitches, the same ones our guys grow up playing on, the same ones Bradman, Miller, Border and all the others have played on. All the Australian test pitches have distinct characteristics, one of the things that makes a tour of our country a true test, although it's almost unheard of to have a pitch without grass and regarded universally as a bad thing. For the following tests Perth will of course be fast and bouncy and Adelaide is the flattest strip in the country, and that's the precise place that India could do well if they are not completely demoralised by that point. Frankly, as nice as it is that we're winning the underperformance of the Indian team robs me of some of that pleasure. I'd have preferred the series was closer, at least I'd have a test to watch tomorrow.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    even Sri Lanka is doing better than India, atleast they r putting up a fight

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 12:53 GMT

    He doesn't has any right to blame Bowlers. His bowlers could have done far better had he shown some faith on them. As soon as batsman hits one or two boundaries either in the direction of deep point , deep extra cover or deep square leg he immediately opts for sweeper on either side of wicket. If he gets discouraged so quickly than there is no point saying that bowlers did not perform. We are primarily a batsman crazy nation. Therefore we are self proclaimed best batting line up in the world. The day we start reducing our hailing and loving attributes for our batsman, our bowling will certainly improve. Its been ages when we played with five bowlers in a match. Four bowlers strategy put a hell lot of pressure on bowlers, whereas on the other hand you still opt for seven batsman in spite names like Tendulkar and Dravid. If Dhoni is a good captain he should scrap this strategy of seven batsman. Who knows such a tactic might end up bringing a all rounder.

  • POSTED BY gordyfargus on | January 6, 2012, 12:52 GMT

    Lol @ baskar_guhar, you think India should prepare turning wickets. WOW that would be a massive surprise for touring sides. I'm not sure if you seen the Sydney test but there was very little seam. And wasn't it Indian fans who said Australia were worse on seaming wickets anyway. If you are complaining about curators making more competitive wickets prepared to be really embarrassed when your team hits Perth. Just a fact for you, Australia has won series in India, India never have in Australia and this will stay the same at least for another decade.

  • POSTED BY DustyBin on | January 6, 2012, 12:46 GMT

    to baskar_guha : I don't know what strip the SCG curator was instructed to prepare a year ago when England visited, but the visitors were sure able to win on it then

  • POSTED BY derrida_derider on | January 6, 2012, 12:44 GMT

    PS: Laxman, Dravid and possibly even the awesome Tendulkar have stayed a season or two too long. Great players, but age catches up with even the greatest.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 12:42 GMT

    hehehe so called Champions ;)

  • POSTED BY dms1972 on | January 6, 2012, 12:40 GMT

    The thing I can't work out where Gupta.Ankur gone

  • POSTED BY derrida_derider on | January 6, 2012, 12:39 GMT

    Gee, India have played both these Tests as though they are playing on Indian pitches. The batting technique (all wristwork, no footwork), the fields set (go on the defensive early and test the batsman's patience) and the bowling (grind the ball up and hope for reverse swing) are all fine for slow abrasive pitches, but not for Australia or England.

    Eastern Australia had the wettest spring and summer for many years so of course there's a bit more grass around. But the SCG pitch was very far from a greentop - the spinners on both sides should have done a lot better on it. But Brisbane WILL be green - it often is even in dry years. Perth is going to be very quick and bouncy, as usual. So Indian batsmen had better learn to get their feet moving very quickly into the right position rather than just relying on the wrists and a good eye to adjust the bat.

  • POSTED BY Saqib_Sheraz on | January 6, 2012, 12:36 GMT

    It has been proved that SL is far better than India while playing overseas. Good Luck

  • POSTED BY PiyushD on | January 6, 2012, 12:33 GMT

    they all win in familiar surfaces and struggle in unfamiliar ones England,NewZealand,Australia suffer this humiliation in subcontinent and India, Pakistan and SriLanka face the same in Subcontinent, SA is the only team which can play well on either type of pitches but then they can easily loose on either too, so why this kolavari, if India is No.1 in India they stand No. 4 in away pitches so they are fitting to be No 2 overall,one good support to Sachin either Dravid,Sehwag or GG and this team will fly again, make no mistake at perth Australia can also suffer and contest will be much closer, I'll say ge in Vinay also in this attack at perth he can swing the ball, though India still missing PK here.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 12:32 GMT

    Hey Guys... these are tough days if you are a die hard Indian cricket fan and ofcourse we all are... We all should remember the joyous moments of Apr 2011 and now we have to endure this too with a pinch of salt... It is just that the intensity with which India played in SA last year has been missing in both England & OZ... Thatz all... but plz lets not question the skills of these players... just imagine at 36+ our senior trio even today battles out 90+ overs on field every day which shows their physical fitness. Just dont rankle them now and leave them and especially media and public should back them during these adverse situations... Trust me.. this team would bounce back in PERTH and let me see what people talk at that time... I have been following cricket for the last 20 years atleast and this is possibly one of the best teams which we have seen. So let us back this team strongly and try not to ridicule them... PLEASE.... Jai Ho India....

  • POSTED BY tragicmagic on | January 6, 2012, 12:22 GMT

    I can't see any positives for India. There bowling attack was awfull!!!

  • POSTED BY RogerC on | January 6, 2012, 12:20 GMT

    Like it or not, this is the impact of IPL. The motivation for Indian players to do well in test matches is no longer there.

  • POSTED BY Vishnu27 on | January 6, 2012, 12:19 GMT

    To all India fans: Australian wickets have always been hard, fast & bouncy. There has been nothing unusual or "special" in these pitches. Stop crying & look at the real issue: India can ONLY play at home.

  • POSTED BY funkyandy on | January 6, 2012, 12:09 GMT

    There has never been an international team paid so well who perform so badly!! The fielding of the Indian team is a disgrace - most Associate teams would out do this Indian team. Its problems in the field are personified by Sachin - he fields in the slips when he feels like it, and poor Rahul Dravid has to move from at 1st slip for Sachin. And Laxman's fielding skills are non-existent!! Time for the old boys to go (except Dravid - still a force to be reckoned with and unlike Sachin doesn't play for personal glory) and give Pujara and Rohit Sharma a run in the team. Oh... and stop playing IPL - its rubbish!!!

  • POSTED BY a1234s on | January 6, 2012, 12:08 GMT

    India is being outclassed in the tactical dept. Australia has sized up every single batsman.

    As soon as Tendulkar comes in, Hussey and Clarke are brought on to bowl. They choke Tendulkar, cut off the singles, force him to make a mistake.

    Hilfenhaus for Dravid, Pattison for laxman and Sehwag.

    Sehwag /Laxman are offered width, Dravid/Sachin are bombarded with off stump lines.

    Dhoni needs to start strategizing,fast.

    Australia is so innovative on the field. Two players mid-pitch, a deep gully,slips a bit further away for Clarke, denying singles, always on the attack.

  • POSTED BY Reg_Dyer on | January 6, 2012, 12:05 GMT

    For those who want to claim that Australia have prepared green wickets especially for India, it should be acknowledged that there was plenty of movement available for the Ashes last year and Australia suffered. In fact, there were similar bleatings about 'green' wickets in England in the summer from Indian fans and some players. The fact is the wickets offer movement for both teams so if one scores over 600 and the other doesn't get close in two innings, some explanation other than 'green' wickets is required. Noone scores 600+ or even 700+ (as England managed) on a 'green', bowler-friendly wicket.

  • POSTED BY Rawlonski on | January 6, 2012, 12:02 GMT

    Sometimes big loses happen, what is important is what you take from them, and history tells us that in India's case it is likely to be very little. What is the bet that they serve up the same team for Perth, after all, how can you drop a batsman who averages 50, but the thing about averages is that they are based on past performance and in the case of many of the Indian, it is THE PAST.

    Hopefully they are more competitive as a close game is a good game.....

  • POSTED BY rkannancrown on | January 6, 2012, 11:41 GMT

    A word about captain & coach is also needed. Dhoni's style, at critical moments, has been to go on defensive. It worked ok in India against WI but will fail against Australia, particularly in Australia. The best strategy is to counter attack. Fletcher's position is laso increasingly becoming difficult. He inherited a good situation but is apparently unable to get the team to perform. Indian selectors will have to seriously ponder the future. Dravid, Sachin & Laxman are surely on notice - their collective lack of runs is at the forefront of the team's situation. The bowling attack does not look that good but Dhoni's tactics to go on the defensive are not helping the bowlers either.

  • POSTED BY venbas on | January 6, 2012, 11:35 GMT

    Must say that this string counts amongst the worst of worst Pathetic performances by any Indian team. The manner of defeat is what hurts a lot and I feel ashamed to be a India cricket fan which was hyped up as No. 1 not so long ago. On one hand the seniors in the team are not getting any younger and should seriously contemplate retirement. But the youngsters are only too happy to remain in IPL aura and money. Wonder if the result with top teams will be any different in this situation. Alas, I am afraid that at the end of the day BCCI would just wrap the whole thing under the carpet and get going on the IPL moolah and FTP tours with minnows. Humble request to Indian fans - Boycott IPL and let the wise men running the show know that they cant take our passion for granted.

  • POSTED BY baskar_guha on | January 6, 2012, 11:25 GMT

    What is remarkable is how more than the Indian team, columnists like you write such resigned stuff. Even in this match, there were plenty of positives for India. They did mount a fight facing a deficit of close to 500 runs. And several batsmen did score 50s which is better than not scoring them. Such defeats happen. And teams do go on losing steaks just as easily as they go on winning streaks. I do expect the Indians to fare better in the next two tests despite Cricket Australia's concerted attempt to offer more seam and more bounce at all the venues for this series. Do you think they would have similar tracks against the Proteas or the English given their attacks? Doubt it. The lesson for BCCI is to prepare turning tracks for all matches when England, South Africa and Australia come calling in the next two years.

  • POSTED BY rohanm79 on | January 6, 2012, 11:13 GMT

    Well its obvious isnt it? The Australians looked at what happened in England and decided this was the best way to stop the Indian batsment - make pitches similar to the English pitch that gave the Indian batsmen so much trouble.

    I am not that negative as you are regarding the Indian team's performance...a team that just suffered a 4-0 loss takes a little bit of time to regain confidence. Although the sydney test went badly, i think it gave them good time in the middle where some of the confidence would have been regained (for the batsmen) anyway. And I think this was seen from Dhoni's comment where he said at the end of the Sydney test- we can beat this Australian team

    Besides beating Australia in Australia would be hard and more impossible to beat India in India

  • POSTED BY Farce-Follower on | January 6, 2012, 11:08 GMT

    There you go again, Cricinfo : absolving MSD from the crime of insipid leadership. What is the use of calm and poise, when it actually promotes a certain irresponsibility and laziness. India deserves a better Test captain. MSD is not even fit to be in the side.

  • POSTED BY eyballfallenout on | January 6, 2012, 11:02 GMT

    ndian team carried to Perth a sense of injustice and anger, they should have taken with them failure for loosing 3 in the last over. They could have drawn. Then they may not of sat in the plane like children tailing the bat and ball and going home.

  • POSTED BY AidanFX on | January 6, 2012, 10:59 GMT

    I made a comment after day 1 about Ind. They had Aus reeling for 3 for 36 - I stated India looked flat soon afterward. It appeared to me then that India rely on a group of wickets to be energized and sharp in the field. As soon as Clarke and Ponting started to gain momentum (I am only referring to 1st day here) they began to look flat. Ishant bowled quick but he seemed disinterested somehow. Khan tries his hardest but I think he lacks match fitness and quickly loses potency. Yadav just seemed to lack direction. Ashwin didn't look threatening. Looking back on my observation then - the two record partnerships Clarke, Ponting-Clarke, Hussey (I hear back to back partnerships of that size is a first) and the dec of 659 having only lost 1 wicket in day's play - as remarkable as it sounds; actually was on the cards day 1. I also noted that Aus in 1st Test looked a lot sharper in the field and bowled a lot better when Ind were cruising at about 2/200 - (note Siddle got a late wicket)

  • POSTED BY shuvoroy31 on | January 6, 2012, 10:53 GMT

    Time has indeed come to remove the old hands once & for all. Granted they are legends in their own right & have all done magnificent things, but they are still mere mortals incapable of resisting the scourge of ageing. Make no mistake that those waiting in the wings - the much-awaited 'young' crop - are just as bad, much worse if compared to the old stars in their zenith. Yet, considering the fact that they will have to be blooded into the team in near future, why not begin the process now? It is not that we are left with anything to lose! But the BCCI have other ideas - displaying an eerie sense of foresight like a wise, old Chinese master they have already ensured that India play no overseas tests for the next two years. Surely enough several hastily arranged series with WI, ZIM & SL will be squeezed in & the fickle, T20-loving Indian public will resume their chest-thumping as India regain its golden touch of stumbling to home victories.

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 10:52 GMT

    the defensive mindset doesn't help in any case .....

  • POSTED BY on | January 6, 2012, 10:52 GMT

    come on Bal, lets just face it.. team india is simply not good at this level.. you cannot bask on past glories forever that too on the ones achieved on flat tracks of india. It is high time the oldies hang their boots, and a younger team is formed with a firm eye on the future. Also, sporting pitches should be prepared in India by the BCCI so that youngsters get a taste of what to expect on away tours..They will fail in the shorter run, but that is a worthwhile experiment than carrying on with our listless old legends ... and Sachin will only get his 100th 100 in india against bangladesh. Its been a long long time since Sharjah when sachin won us a game against a quality opposition. a very disappointed fan..

  • POSTED BY amjadmayo on | January 6, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    I am saying again and again batting is not a problem for Indian, there is great concern is our bowling. Our bowling is too weak to out any team twice in a test match. If batting fails then our bowling fill the gap of batting, like Pakistan. But that it not happened, we lost again & again and never learn from our mistakes, more horrible thing. Now time is to come, see off some old fellows with great honor. Inject some new and technically correct player in batting department and good swing & seam (aggressive) bowlers in bowling department. If BCCI have not changed these things it might be worse results come in future.

  • POSTED BY Nutcutlet on | January 6, 2012, 10:46 GMT

    2nd post / 2nd point: The so-called legends in this team are still functioning in a fashion. VVS, SRT, RD, and ZK are all still worth their places for the time being. There is enough current evidence to show that they can, at their best, at least compete at test level, but what the rest of the team has yet to realise is that they are merely competent players now, and legends no longer! Legends - as the word suggests, live in history & although RD played supremely in Eng. last summer, that was the last 'legendary' performance anyone can point to. Mindsets are carried by words. Forget 'Legends' (they are history) - now think Veterans - for that is what they are. Taken together with my first point about presentation in the field/ captaincy, I have made two detailed points which are designed to be of assistance to anyone who cares to read this - because I am tired of India pumping themselves up like a fat balloon at home and popping to a shred of rubber away. I haven't even mentioned IPL!

  • POSTED BY kanjithem on | January 6, 2012, 10:44 GMT

    I wrote sometime during the England debacle that if India played similarly in Australia, they would play Australia back into good form - which they were not right up to the test against NZ. So far, this prediction has come true. Regardless of what has happened, there is one positive for India from the second innings in Sydney. The fact that most of their batsmen scored is a good sign. Of the ones who failed, Dravid and Sehwag will score sooner or later. But Kohli is the problem. They need to decide whether they will keep with him or bring in Rohit. Another question mark is Laxman for Perth. I must admit that I do not know what his record is on that ground, but will he be able to handle the bounce there? Don't envy the selector's job but decisions have to be made. Don't let the team get used to losing.

  • POSTED BY buntyj on | January 6, 2012, 10:36 GMT

    ishant needs a helpful track and then doesnt bowl in the right areas; while he will trouble the bat as he has in spells on this tour he will get the edges rarely compared to the times he will miss them and thus will likely have a non flattering career average and strike rate in future too; ive been impressed with dinda this season and feel that his better line n length wouldve been useful in oz. i would be pleasantly surprised if mithun or vinay kumar can up their game to close to test standards on this tour. of course with pk and aaron (would also benefit from county season even at cost of bcci) injured but likely to return the pace attack still looks respectable though not top quality and could win india tests at home too against many (but not all) teams if helpful tracks were prepared whats painful is that despite pak/sl conditions being similar their batsmen take pride in playing the hook unlike india where its now a lost art. even more painful that fans, media etc condone this.

  • POSTED BY buntyj on | January 6, 2012, 10:23 GMT

    while the bowling was relatively better chinks still shown thru- india have decent spinners but not necessarily the best but despite the wickets they pick up on indian tracks none of our spinners (on tour or those left at home) in recent years have looked like getting wickets on days 1-3 in away tests; rahul sharma might be worth a gamble but it would be just that a gamble and our selectors arent ready for it; bhajjis batting isnt missed due to ashwins batting and ashwin can be persisted with; i would like to see ashwin groomed like kumble at gully and zak at first slip where catches tend to be gentle; this would extend their careers but some of our seniors hog these 2 positions; . pacy yadav is raw n it shows and would also benefit from a county season or 2 months with mcdermott. zak can bowl well in spells but unlikely to be as effective now after so many injuries at his age; will be missed most vs left handers as best indian bowlers tend to fail vs left hand bats;

  • POSTED BY Nutcutlet on | January 6, 2012, 10:18 GMT

    It's difficult to argue with Sambit's rueful report. I could point to a plethora of reasons for the failure of yet another Indian overseas campaign; we all could - and most of us would be right. The question now is: where do the Indians go from here? May I suggest that the following receive due consideration? India should look like a TEAM in the field. No matter what form the batsmen and bowlers are in, a sense of pride, a discipline, an efficiency and 'snap' set a tone which carries over into other aspects of the game. In making this basic point, the w/k is in every sense pivotal, but here India is ill-served as Dhoni is the captain! Where was the encouragement for his bowlers? The tougher it gets, the more they need geeing up. As far as I saw, they got none. Teams with this trait (Eng, SA, Oz, NZ & SL) make the most of their talent, which, btw, does not exceed the talent of the Indians, by developing a team ethic - India does not.This begs questions of the captaincy. Start here!

  • POSTED BY buntyj on | January 6, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    moreover its india's 8th innings defeat since 2000, including 6 away, and 6th since 2008 and 3rd in last 4 tests; is there a clearer sign that this isnt a champion team? whats the record on innings defeats for other test teams (other than bd/zim) since 2008? certainly we have ageing batsmen who shouldve have had decency to retire; but theyve stayed on since the bench strength when touring though fine fielders simply cant adjust abroad at all; bcci missed a trick in not sending reserve batsmen for full county season and/or full oz club season to learn finishing touches particularly for pace, bounce, movement they wont at home; more imp now since there are few practice games on tours and nearly all indian batsmen play with heavy, bottom heavy bats unsuitable for the hook; this means a tall fast bowler can pin them on back foot or half cock with bounce and improve chances of getting edge when bowling up and moving the ball. it took most of our seniors much exposure abroad to learn.

  • POSTED BY Buggsy on | January 6, 2012, 10:06 GMT

    For me the biggest disappointment has been Ishant Sharma. What on Earth happened to this guy?

  • POSTED BY xtra on | January 6, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    I don't Understand why to praise Dhoni for anything in these circumstances. I find the most irritating thing in his interviews that he don't seem to recognize the negatives in the day's play but never misses whatever far fetched positive. Six losses on a trot. How many more before he see that something is wrong. I think the author is biased when he praises Dhoni in between his lenient criticism and blame the aging senior batsmen. How can you blame the team and leave the captain with benefit of doubt. In the midst of all this I start getting the feeling that may be all that golden winning era of Indian cricket team has had to do with Gary Kirsten. I am not judging Fletcher, he is methodical and one can see his methods already in bringing young blood into the team. But with that, I hope Indian come back to winning method in Perth. I don't want to see Dhoni's men getting comfort zone by bombastic home wins. Home wins we had too many, something bold this team need to claim no. 1 spot.

  • POSTED BY Kunal-Talgeri on | January 6, 2012, 10:01 GMT

    For years, we have built a cricket team around an iconic middle order because that has been our primary strength. It is time Dhoni builds a side around himself. And that means some bitter truths and change. It is only fair, given how patient he has been with Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman. We will lose Tests abroad, but the young 'uns will develop precious experience in their formative years.

  • POSTED BY rahulcricket007 on | January 6, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    why do we talk too much about overseas record . it's true that india struggle in overseas but at home we are unbeatable . our last test series defeat at home was come in 2004 . last test defeat at home was in 2010 . didn't aus lose both times when they toured india in 2008 & 2010 . it 's pretty simple . india struggle in aus & aus struggle in india . HOWEVER THE WAY IN WHICH INDIA IS LOSING MATCH IS NOT ACCEPTABLE . INNINGS LOSS SEEMS LIKE AN INSULT TO THE NATION . INDIAN TEAM PLEASE LOSS SERIES BY 2-0 OR 3-0 BUT NOT BY 4-0 .

  • POSTED BY annys on | January 6, 2012, 9:55 GMT

    India needs to play the following for perth test:

    gauti,rahane,kohli,sachin,dravid,rohit,dhoni,ojha,zaheer,ishanth,yadav

  • POSTED BY East_West on | January 6, 2012, 9:55 GMT

    Well Sambit, I said a while back and repeat again - we are a hero-worshiping Fake#1 test nation, we never deserved it and we will never be #1 again! we are an over-rated fake 3 obsessed nation that can't deliver when it matters the most - what is the point in having these folks have 10000000+ runs among them when they can't even save the match - innings defeat will be a norm for Indians! Mark my words!! what are we good at????? Just wondering? what are we really good at?? you don't see any accountability on part of this indian team? to all my fellow-indians who are obsessed with fake 3, do you know why Australia was #1 and why they maintained this superiority for longer than india??? Ask yourself that and analyze it!!! what a shame!!!! meek surrender, even a little known Afghan team will have more mettle than this fake indian team!!! now what is the excuse?? let me guess, Bhajji is not in the team? or yuvi is not in the team???? Hahahhaha!

  • POSTED BY Maddy_Venki on | January 6, 2012, 9:54 GMT

    Indians have this unique problem where their old stalwarts are nearing their end, so the easy thing to do is to say let's shake hands bid them farewell and rebuild. Like Australia is doing, but the fact that the Yuvraj's, Rahane's and Kholi's are so deficient playing at the highest level that this move doesn't justify as well :-(

    Also on the bowling front can't understand how inexperienced bowlers like Pattinson can bowl that incisive length and more experienced bowlers like Ishant can't consistently bowl in a channel that can probe, let alone pick up wickets.

    And as usual Hilfy, who was no where in the picture for Australia has been made into a hero (not that he has bowled badly) but India has this innate ability to make others look better than they actually are!

    Clueless where we can find the answers......

  • POSTED BY Rumy1 on | January 6, 2012, 9:46 GMT

    Kohli and Ashwin should be dropped and Rohit Sharma and Pragyan Ojha must play in Perth. No questions about that. Although WACA is a pacers delight I wouldn't risk playing average Ranji bowlers like Vinay or Mithun. Wonder how they made it to the team. No Dravid must be persisted with. Even 1/3rd of an out of form Dravid is better than the likes ODI wonders like Kohli or Rahane. Ideally, a major surgery is required mid way in the tour if some pride is to be salvaged as the situation is extremely dire. Rush experienced Wasim Jaffer, Badrinath and Irfan Pathan right away in to Perth. If Bhajji is fit now he should be on the flight as well. Send Kohli, Ashwin, Gambhir and Mithun home. If Gambhir is to be persisted with then let Sehwag and Jaffer open. Gambhir can be No.3, Sachin No.4 and Dravid No.5. Laxman No.6. Rohit will sit out. Irfan will replace Ashwin at WACA, Perth. Mr.Srikkanth are you listening??

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  • POSTED BY Rumy1 on | January 6, 2012, 9:46 GMT

    Kohli and Ashwin should be dropped and Rohit Sharma and Pragyan Ojha must play in Perth. No questions about that. Although WACA is a pacers delight I wouldn't risk playing average Ranji bowlers like Vinay or Mithun. Wonder how they made it to the team. No Dravid must be persisted with. Even 1/3rd of an out of form Dravid is better than the likes ODI wonders like Kohli or Rahane. Ideally, a major surgery is required mid way in the tour if some pride is to be salvaged as the situation is extremely dire. Rush experienced Wasim Jaffer, Badrinath and Irfan Pathan right away in to Perth. If Bhajji is fit now he should be on the flight as well. Send Kohli, Ashwin, Gambhir and Mithun home. If Gambhir is to be persisted with then let Sehwag and Jaffer open. Gambhir can be No.3, Sachin No.4 and Dravid No.5. Laxman No.6. Rohit will sit out. Irfan will replace Ashwin at WACA, Perth. Mr.Srikkanth are you listening??

  • POSTED BY Maddy_Venki on | January 6, 2012, 9:54 GMT

    Indians have this unique problem where their old stalwarts are nearing their end, so the easy thing to do is to say let's shake hands bid them farewell and rebuild. Like Australia is doing, but the fact that the Yuvraj's, Rahane's and Kholi's are so deficient playing at the highest level that this move doesn't justify as well :-(

    Also on the bowling front can't understand how inexperienced bowlers like Pattinson can bowl that incisive length and more experienced bowlers like Ishant can't consistently bowl in a channel that can probe, let alone pick up wickets.

    And as usual Hilfy, who was no where in the picture for Australia has been made into a hero (not that he has bowled badly) but India has this innate ability to make others look better than they actually are!

    Clueless where we can find the answers......

  • POSTED BY East_West on | January 6, 2012, 9:55 GMT

    Well Sambit, I said a while back and repeat again - we are a hero-worshiping Fake#1 test nation, we never deserved it and we will never be #1 again! we are an over-rated fake 3 obsessed nation that can't deliver when it matters the most - what is the point in having these folks have 10000000+ runs among them when they can't even save the match - innings defeat will be a norm for Indians! Mark my words!! what are we good at????? Just wondering? what are we really good at?? you don't see any accountability on part of this indian team? to all my fellow-indians who are obsessed with fake 3, do you know why Australia was #1 and why they maintained this superiority for longer than india??? Ask yourself that and analyze it!!! what a shame!!!! meek surrender, even a little known Afghan team will have more mettle than this fake indian team!!! now what is the excuse?? let me guess, Bhajji is not in the team? or yuvi is not in the team???? Hahahhaha!

  • POSTED BY annys on | January 6, 2012, 9:55 GMT

    India needs to play the following for perth test:

    gauti,rahane,kohli,sachin,dravid,rohit,dhoni,ojha,zaheer,ishanth,yadav

  • POSTED BY rahulcricket007 on | January 6, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    why do we talk too much about overseas record . it's true that india struggle in overseas but at home we are unbeatable . our last test series defeat at home was come in 2004 . last test defeat at home was in 2010 . didn't aus lose both times when they toured india in 2008 & 2010 . it 's pretty simple . india struggle in aus & aus struggle in india . HOWEVER THE WAY IN WHICH INDIA IS LOSING MATCH IS NOT ACCEPTABLE . INNINGS LOSS SEEMS LIKE AN INSULT TO THE NATION . INDIAN TEAM PLEASE LOSS SERIES BY 2-0 OR 3-0 BUT NOT BY 4-0 .

  • POSTED BY Kunal-Talgeri on | January 6, 2012, 10:01 GMT

    For years, we have built a cricket team around an iconic middle order because that has been our primary strength. It is time Dhoni builds a side around himself. And that means some bitter truths and change. It is only fair, given how patient he has been with Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman. We will lose Tests abroad, but the young 'uns will develop precious experience in their formative years.

  • POSTED BY xtra on | January 6, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    I don't Understand why to praise Dhoni for anything in these circumstances. I find the most irritating thing in his interviews that he don't seem to recognize the negatives in the day's play but never misses whatever far fetched positive. Six losses on a trot. How many more before he see that something is wrong. I think the author is biased when he praises Dhoni in between his lenient criticism and blame the aging senior batsmen. How can you blame the team and leave the captain with benefit of doubt. In the midst of all this I start getting the feeling that may be all that golden winning era of Indian cricket team has had to do with Gary Kirsten. I am not judging Fletcher, he is methodical and one can see his methods already in bringing young blood into the team. But with that, I hope Indian come back to winning method in Perth. I don't want to see Dhoni's men getting comfort zone by bombastic home wins. Home wins we had too many, something bold this team need to claim no. 1 spot.

  • POSTED BY Buggsy on | January 6, 2012, 10:06 GMT

    For me the biggest disappointment has been Ishant Sharma. What on Earth happened to this guy?

  • POSTED BY buntyj on | January 6, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    moreover its india's 8th innings defeat since 2000, including 6 away, and 6th since 2008 and 3rd in last 4 tests; is there a clearer sign that this isnt a champion team? whats the record on innings defeats for other test teams (other than bd/zim) since 2008? certainly we have ageing batsmen who shouldve have had decency to retire; but theyve stayed on since the bench strength when touring though fine fielders simply cant adjust abroad at all; bcci missed a trick in not sending reserve batsmen for full county season and/or full oz club season to learn finishing touches particularly for pace, bounce, movement they wont at home; more imp now since there are few practice games on tours and nearly all indian batsmen play with heavy, bottom heavy bats unsuitable for the hook; this means a tall fast bowler can pin them on back foot or half cock with bounce and improve chances of getting edge when bowling up and moving the ball. it took most of our seniors much exposure abroad to learn.

  • POSTED BY Nutcutlet on | January 6, 2012, 10:18 GMT

    It's difficult to argue with Sambit's rueful report. I could point to a plethora of reasons for the failure of yet another Indian overseas campaign; we all could - and most of us would be right. The question now is: where do the Indians go from here? May I suggest that the following receive due consideration? India should look like a TEAM in the field. No matter what form the batsmen and bowlers are in, a sense of pride, a discipline, an efficiency and 'snap' set a tone which carries over into other aspects of the game. In making this basic point, the w/k is in every sense pivotal, but here India is ill-served as Dhoni is the captain! Where was the encouragement for his bowlers? The tougher it gets, the more they need geeing up. As far as I saw, they got none. Teams with this trait (Eng, SA, Oz, NZ & SL) make the most of their talent, which, btw, does not exceed the talent of the Indians, by developing a team ethic - India does not.This begs questions of the captaincy. Start here!