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West Indies in England 2012

Better win than be second favourites

Jarrod Kimber
Kemar Roach rattled England's top order, England v West Indies, 1st Test, Lord's, 4th day, May 20, 2012
It's when England build a partnership that West Indies will be tested  © PA Photos
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I once mindlessly suggested to my father that it was a shame to see the Windies struggling. That was followed by him abusing me for a long time about how you shouldn’t feel sorry for them, as they happily beat up on everyone when they had that chance. His scars were still raw.

But that attitude seems to be disappearing in recent times. The Windies are fast becoming the second favourite team of cricket fans, especially to those who never saw them pummel their country’s batsmen inside their heads.

They’ve been a perfect second side of late. They have exciting young cricketers, mystery bowlers, mini Lara, a talented young quick, and they’re not likely to beat your team in a Test match.

Not that they don’t get close.

At home against India, they worked themselves into several good positions only to end up losing or drawing. And against Australia they played well only to fall apart when they needed to be at their best.

Yet again, they’ve snuck up on a better side and find themselves with a good chance of winning the Test. Rudi Webster, the former Windies psychologist, recently said they don’t know how to win. To beat England when they’re chasing less than 200 on a solid batting pitch at home, you need to really back yourself.

The two wickets were promising. But there is little to lose in a four over session that is essentially being played with Hammer Horror type lighting. It is when England puts on a partnership of any note or as they close in on the total that the Windies will be under real pressure.

Will they do everything they can to win this match, or will they just put in another effort that annoys the opposition before they eventually fold?

It’s nice to be everyone’s second favourite team, but it’s better to win a few matches. They may never be universally feared or hated again, but it would be nice if they could do more than just temporarily annoy fans, and on occasions like this, really ruin the mood of a few like my dad.

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Posted by danoz on (July 7, 2012, 11:47 GMT)

the west indies have about 5 million people and are realitivly poor in comparrison to england and australia.the west indies doesnt have the funds of india,australia and england.

surprisly the west indies biggest weakness is thier fast bowlers,fidel edwards and kumar roach bowl around 145km and ravi rampaul 135km and sammy 130km,none are tall like english bowlers.

in the 1980's they had 4 bowlers around the 150km mark and joel garner who was close to 7feet.the west indies need a fast bowling acadamy on every island.

i would set up a west indies division 2(like county championship) with carribean nations who play cricket at a low standard like belize,cuba,caymen islands,turk and caicos,bahamas,dominican republic,haiti,puetro rico and suriname.and bring games to these islands,the windward island can play in martinique,leeward islands can play in guadulope and puetro rico,guyana can play in suriname,jaimaica can play in belize and cuba.

when they improve they can go in division 1

Posted by Phil Hutch on (June 1, 2012, 11:27 GMT)

I have been watching West Indies team for the past decade. The selectors and management is a bunch of jokers. they keep on talking about, the team is improving. what team is improving,when the batting is good there was no bowling, now the bowling is good, they get rid of the good batting, so they must be confuse as to what they wanted, any one in the world who understand cricket, know that you can pick a windies side from the discorded players, that can easiely beat this Otis Gibbs, Sammy, and Hillier side, it a disgrace. They need to go.

Posted by Ken Jones on (May 28, 2012, 8:26 GMT)

I would like to know why the West Indies selectors did not pick Brendon Nash to tour England? Otis Gibson and Darren Sammy have to go..Chris Gayle is avaiable for the rest of the tour,but i doubt they will call him up for the 3rd test...as for the one days i think West Indies will beat England..when players like Gayle,Bravo,Narine,Pollard and Russell join the Squad...

Posted by Tantra on (May 26, 2012, 14:13 GMT)

No real improvement in West Indies cricket until the WICB is decimated. As far as this team is concerned,they did their part in staging a recovery. They could even lose the match now.

Posted by docusmc1996 on (May 26, 2012, 3:54 GMT)

go windies. I hope you beat england...

Posted by ali bajan on (May 24, 2012, 18:13 GMT)

As a West Indian fan I can see why everyone is "impressed" by the WI performances. But that is exactly what this article is about.

As a West Indian fan I am not at all "impressed" by the coach's and captain's desire to lose...

I can see everyone else (who are not west indian fan) laying praises on this bunch. I can not do that, because to me they are just a bunch of losers who are worse than a team that gets beat in 3 days...

A team that gets beat in 3 days is a BAD TEAM .... This team is WORSE than bad..... They are VERY CAPABLE of WINNING ... but CHOOSE to LOSE .....

I think I have seen enough of Gibson and Hillare's philosophy! I think it is better we TRY to win even if we lose in 3 days, we are trying to win ....

This team that goes out there to try to lose but put on a good show is a travesty ...

and FYI, drop chanderpaul and this team would lose in 2 days...(that is food for though as Gibson does not want Chadners in the team)...

Posted by Mark on (May 24, 2012, 12:09 GMT)

@Dinny yes supporters in other nations might find this hard to believe but there were a good chunk of Aussie supporters who supported opposition teams especially the West Indies. Many Aussie supporters didn't like their national team very much. I think it is because of their ultra aggressive attitude and sledging tactics. However the surprising thing is these very same snarling Aussie cricketers would become the nicest most intelligent cricketers you could hope to meet once off the field, I guess out in the middle its serious business. This was especially true of Shane Warne and Glen McGrath. Everyone who has met them said the Aussie cricketers are very nice guys off the field with a deep love and knowledge of the game. Windies on field persona was more palatable to most cricket fans even to a lot of Aussie cricket fans plus the Calypso style of cricket was the most exciting in the world. Yes you are right there were many Aussies who supported the West Indies more than their own team.

Posted by Harsh Thakor on (May 24, 2012, 4:34 GMT)

I am impressed with the West Indian resurgence in the last year after being rock bottom.They gave India a good run for their money in the sub-continent and lost a hard fought test series against the Australians.I admire their fighting spirit in the recent test at Lords.They are on the road to catching up with the best.

Posted by thejesusofcool on (May 23, 2012, 14:48 GMT)

The team has a defeatist attitude.

Remember Sulejman Benn being dropped because he had the wrong attitude?

Yeh, his attitude was he wanted to win and stuff any opposition.

Whilst players with his attitude get excluded, WI will never recover.

This lot just don't have a nasty edge-for Christ's sake,opening after lunch on the last day when you still have a small chance of winning with MARLON SAMUELS???!!!

Hardly Lance Gibbs is he?

Why wasn't Roach given the ball & told to try a bouncer or two?

See, it's all that attitude thing again.

Posted by j l walsh on (May 23, 2012, 12:10 GMT)

what is the coach of the windies team doing?now one is telling the young batsman that they should mouve their foot how manny got out LBW.the coach was england boling he donot seem to be coaching the bowlers,they should be trying to hit top of off with seam pointing to slip or leg or seem up straight cross seam straight know one seem to blow yorkes,why?

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