July 15, 2013

West Indies cricket

The folly of omitting Shivnarine Chanderpaul

Roger Sawh, Canada
Shivnarine Chanderpaul shapes to play the pull, West Indies v South Africa, 4th ODI, Dominica, May 30, 2010
The argument against Shivnarine Chanderpaul's exclusion from the ODI side doesn't hold up against the gaping weakness that has plagued West Indies  © Associated Press


"Chanderpaul in one-day cricket? He's too old, man! Brethren, he doesn't score fast enough, he needs 150 overs! He's been in so many losses man! Brotha, we've got to move on from him!"

In the above few lines lies a modern-day cricket mystery that I struggle to comprehend.

The West Indies' one-day international cricket team of 2013 is the personification of the phrase 'all flash and little substance'. Blessed with a galaxy of stars of the Twenty20 arena, it's a group that would command an IPL owner's highest bids with ease and, given 20 overs of operation, would most likely deliver breathtaking results. Sadly for them, T20s and ODIs are entirely different endeavours.

On the spectrum of cricket formats, ODIs are thought to be in the middle while T20s and Tests lie at their respective extremes. A closer consideration, though, gives a better idea of things as ODI cricket is closer to Test cricket in nature than T20. Batsmen are required to build innings in ODIs, hence the format necessitates patience, soundness of technique, deep consideration, concentration, and conditional awareness. In T20s, a 'wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am' fifty in no time at all is a game-changer, but in ODIs, its effect is not quite as prolific - a steady and calculated approach bears greater fruit in a 50-over war of attrition, as the value of an innings lies not just in the shots and runs, but also in the negotiation of bowlers, spells, fielding restrictions and playing conditions.

In the West Indies' set-up, the vast majority of batsmen either completely lack or inexplicably suppress the rare talent of building an innings. It is a talent that Shivnarine Chanderpaul, an evergreen batsman of close to 300 ODIs who has been producing runs across formats despite approaching the age of 40, has bursting forth from his anti-glare eye patches. It is a gift that the powers that be in West Indies team selection are willfully blind to and, as collapses continue to litter modern-day West Indies cricket history, it is a boon that has been simply deserted.

Recent history bears testament to the need for a Chanderpaul-like presence. Throughout the course of the Champions Trophy, when Chris Gayle or Marlon Samuels failed to provide a platform for an innings, the team's batting would generally be lost at sea. In the just concluded tri-series with India and Sri Lanka, fireworks in Jamaica only temporarily hid the batting unit's frailties, as the team eventually failed to make their own home series final. Fast forward to Sunday, when Pakistan surgically dismantled the West Indies batting approach on a minefield in Providence, Guyana, and you could see the tumour just grow.

After pinpointing the ineptitude of the West Indies batsmen against pressure, and recognising the gaping need for an anchor man, Pakistan simply did what their team has the ability to do - they bowled a consistent and threatening line and length to allow the mentally fragile batsmen to whither in the South American heat. If only there were a stabilizer, a thorn in opposition's side, a Trott-like gnat to hover annoyingly despite the predator's fiercest swipes. If only substance had not been jettisoned for style and if only conditional awareness had come into play when the squad was being picked to select a player, any player, who could dig deep and tackle the demons of the pitch and the opposition. Chanderpaul is renowned for prizing his wicket like no other - more often than not, he would have found a way to tough things out.

Those who support Chanderpaul completely understand the argument against his inclusion. Quite frankly, though, it doesn't hold when compared with the need that exists. Across the cricketing world, ODI nations have their best Test batsmen in their line-ups because they recognise that the format requires a chutzpah that great Test batsmen possess. From Amla to Trott to Misbah, there is the knowledge that you need a backbone in an ODI batting line-up, regardless of the lack of glamour. Unless another batsman in the current line-up steps up to do the dirty work, the selectors have to plug the enormous hole in their order.

Chanderpaul never retired from ODI cricket - he was a victim of a post-World Cup 2011 purge that placed the blame at his feet for the team's unsuccessful campaign. He was a scapegoat, and he was thrown away in ODIs for the wrong reasons.

Chanderpaul is often described as a 'crab' at the crease. Crabs don't make great entertainers. They don't drive with elegance or pull with panache. They claw. They scratch. They exist in perpetual commotion with themselves, lacking suave but forever battling against all challenges. For the West Indies, there needs to be a survivor among the showmen; not only to see out the difficulties, but to help them develop strong shells of their own.

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Posted by adyall on (July 19, 2013, 2:46 GMT)

I thought that we tried to use Sarwan in this role, but he failed. There are enough senior players in the team who can/should perform that role...e.g. Gayle, Samuels. Shiv is great, no doubt...but we should be looking to build for the future rather than trying to win games

Posted by gtman on (July 18, 2013, 9:43 GMT)

Playing Shiv might not solve the problem, but at least it would have brought a bit of stability to the batting, especially in the home series. I agree that Devon should not be in the squad. Darren Bravo and Sarwan both failed in England, however Bravo can still be given another chance or two. Sarwan had so many chances and he rarely fulfill the task as a reliable batsman. Im sure there are a few other batmen who the Windies can give that opportunity to e.g. Powell and Narsingh etc. Don't forget that the Tiger is doing well at Derbyshire in all forms of the game.

Posted by   on (July 18, 2013, 1:14 GMT)

Shiv Chanderpaul and Brendan Nash need to be reintroduced into West Indies cricket

Posted by   on (July 17, 2013, 23:43 GMT)

@rohit Ramesh and ray24 West Indies need chanderpaul to play for them badly until he retires. He can replace a lot of players in this side but I will only name a few . Devon smith , pollard and Tino best although he is a bowler he serves no purpose , and he nor Devon smith should never be recall to play for WI . They have fail , fail , and fail . Chanders will help West Indies and their is no young player who has his temperament and so can play instead of him , other guys are Sarwan and narsingh they can help wi .

Posted by Reuelsean on (July 17, 2013, 21:53 GMT)

Bringing back Chanderpaul on the ODI team is not the answer, forget about statistics and averages, Wi need to be focused on the future and Chanderpaul doesn't factor into those plans. Bravo has been in the job for a short time and already ppl are calling for his head, his captaincy has been good so far, give him a chance to do his job. I'm glad the selectors don't listen to you guys, otherwise we would be changing players every game. Darren bravo is the player who needs to play the anchor role and bat through the inns, a job that he is very capable off doing, he just needs time.

Posted by Ray24 on (July 17, 2013, 14:52 GMT)

Excellent player, but 39. WI for your own good move on.

Posted by DanD-Dan on (July 17, 2013, 7:58 GMT)

In addition to his ability to scratch and grind, let's not forget that Tiger has one of the fastest 100's in ODI history. He can turn it on when he wants to.

Posted by   on (July 17, 2013, 5:38 GMT)

guys like shiv and sarwan are badly needed. They have tonnes of massive hitters at the top in gayle, samuels, pollard, bravo, but they can't rotate the strike. They play about 5-6 dot balls and go for the big one. Guys like sarwan and shiv can score 3 runs every 4 balls taking minimum risk. I reckon drop pollard and dwayne bravo and pick sarwan and shiv instead getting sarwan to bat at 3, and shiv at 5.

Posted by   on (July 17, 2013, 3:08 GMT)

And I thought Shiv Chanders had retired from ODI Cricket till I read this article! You cannot drop Chanders. With a explosive Afridi like batting line-up that the Windies have, you definately need a Chanderpaul even in T20 Cricket and definitely in ODI Cricket!!

Posted by adreanal on (July 17, 2013, 1:14 GMT)

Retaining big names like Gayle, Pollard and Samuel cannot win matches. Get men who respect themselves enough to at least try to make some runs. These big names now are not helping West Indies. They belong to the IPL and are only hurting the West Indies game after game. What does it take to see the writing on the wall... These men have made their money elsewhere and couldn't care less about West Indies cricket. .Give the captaincy back to Sammy. Bravo's mind is still on the IPL also.

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 23:22 GMT)

how can you omit one of the best batsman in the world over 10 thousand test runs he deserves to retire when he decides to

Posted by PrathameshYamgar on (July 16, 2013, 22:48 GMT)

guys you are missing a trick here

true that you need bowlers in odis, but there is also the fact that bowlers, even if they are good, go for runs, and bowlers dont fetch you runs when they come to bat.

allow this team to continue till the 2015 world cup, and i am sure they will go thru to the semifinals at least. they should have gayle at the top and pollard at the end, like number 7 or 8.

gayle to bat in the power play and pollard at the finishing line

because samuels, gayle, pollard, bravo, sammy, between them they can bowl 20 overs, so it is a matter of time when these unit starts clicking. they should be given an extended run, mind you west indies have been consistent in the last 10 months since since this squad is here, compare that with the squad that was for the last 5 years.

give them some time in the middle and they will fetch results

pollard gives his best when the overs are less, and he is effective then. they will win more series in the future with this squad.

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 22:06 GMT)

Who in their rite mind would leave out chanderpaul out of a one day side?? thts like SL leaving out Sangakkara and Mahela,,Aus leaving out Micheal Clerk,England leaving out Trott,.,South Africa leaving out Amla,india leaving out Kholi,,Pak LEAVING OUT Misbal.,,Nz leaving out Guptil,.,,,,,,.,wi need shiv.,.....especially nw that they have some really good bowlers.........

Posted by Kronik600 on (July 16, 2013, 17:46 GMT)

I agree with this article...not sure why Shiv was ommited....I know it was said they are building a team for the future...but that is not the case when you recall players like Devon Smith....who is a complete waste of time on the International arena.....Tino Best in the ODI team.....even in the WI A team....players like Nikita Miller being selected....come on...he is not the future of this WI team...I don't care if he gets a 100 wickets each season in our mediocre first class competition

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 15:30 GMT)

chander should be a main pick who else in the westindies team can bat through 50 overs.he has the potential,talent and class,in a 50 over game you got to get reliable players to hold a team together and motivate them as well,shiv is well respected in all over this world and his presence in any team will always intimidate any opposition.

Posted by TestIP on (July 16, 2013, 15:29 GMT)

The problem with WI batsmen, none of them knows how to rotate the strike in one day cricket. Look at the way Gayle, Samuals, pollard and bravo is batting. 1 runs in 15 balls. Just rotate the stike, take your singles and build a decent scores. If WI does not hit out and make a big score, they are always all out for less than 200. This has to do with the batting coach. Shiv is a wonderful player and is able to rotate the strike hence why he is better than most of these players. WI cricket board needs alot of changes before good cricket will come back. Sarwan was also a good player but we dump at the peak of his career. The selectors should have made a young team around gayle, Shiv and Sarwan as their experience batsmen.

Posted by W_indian on (July 16, 2013, 14:35 GMT)

I believe the entire West Indies Cricket Board need to be purged from top to bottom because i still cant comprehend for almost 15 years (not 1yr or 5yrs but for 15yrs) they cant seems to get there act together. it now shows beyond doubt this game expose us beyond boundaries about we are not unifying nations in our region. It shows how dumb we all think because it is being display at the international stage and the most hurtful part we know we can do better but we simply fail to apply the basic principles for better achievements. The WICB needs to be dissolved and re-brand, also lead with people who have vision and not doing things for their own ego.

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 14:31 GMT)

Well written Roger! It was unfair the way Gibson treated him after the World Cup.....why was he punished when Gibsons rested him for half the world cup games. At 39 and still making 40s and 50s why dropped him in a disgracefull manner. With Sarwan made 100 vs Zim then got dropped the next series i bat and no way that will make me better. The current team is a T20 side bottom line.

Posted by kamranbutt on (July 16, 2013, 13:46 GMT)

Chanderpaul is good player for westindies

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 13:19 GMT)

For me Chanderpaul is still good enough to be in the ODI Squad. I appreciate that they're looking forward and want to blood in youngsters, but as long as Shiv has the hunger to play ODIs, then the Selectors should include him. He's the best batman we've had since Brian Lara retired and i understand that the hirachy want him focused for Test Matches, but Chanderpaul has achieved so much without making too much of a fuss and as long as he still has that fire burning, then we should appreciate one of the most underrated batsmen in the history of West Indies cricket.

Posted by HBalli19 on (July 16, 2013, 12:32 GMT)

The West Indies selectors are responsible for the loss of the game, 1. they selected the wrong players 2. Why change a good captain like Darren Sammy, he brought change to West Indies cricket, I mean he did not do it alone but his leadership help the team win the T20 World Cup 3. It is too early to give Bravo the captaincy 4. Chanderpaul is a great support for all the failing batsmen of WI team 5. New WI cricket team policy should be that if you fail consistently you should sit on the bench and let better players play.

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 10:49 GMT)

Generally, when countries want to lengthen a cricketer's playing life they take him out of the 5-day game and keep him in the shorter versions - ODIs and T20s. The WICB on the other hand does it backwards- they restrict Shiv to the 5-day game but has removed him from T20s and ODIs.

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 7:29 GMT)

better all the waet indian young batters just need to look at batting clips of virat kohli and shikar dhawan the same afridi and co mauled all over the park aagainst them...technique is very important for a batsman which johnson charles and darren bravo lack...pakistan bowlers are good and dangerous doesnt mean tht they are unplayable...and the current crop paki bowlers are no way near wasim and waqar either...

Posted by Oluyemi74 on (July 16, 2013, 5:00 GMT)

How can people make a case for Sarwan? It's a mystery that he returned to the team earlier this year. He did nothing to get in and he did nothing to keep his place. West Indies cannot afford to pick teams on past performance. Chanderpaul is a more reliable option but I understand the the thinking behind his non selection. We have to try a few other players if we are serious about building a team for the next world cup.

Posted by bajan0123 on (July 16, 2013, 4:34 GMT)

They are two batsmen that can help this WI team who should be given a chance and they are Kirk Edwards and Kraig Brathwaite. The WI keep playing too many failing player. I see mention of Andre Russell, he cannot help this team; he is no better than the allrounders in the team right now that is underachiving. The team need batsmen with technique. Bravo and Pollard need to be drop, they bowling and batting is awfull. My Team is 1. Gayle 2. Charles (WK) 3. Edwards 4. Samuel 5. Bravo 6.Sammy 7. Bravo (capt) 8.Narine 9. Roach 10. Holder 11.Best. Good luck guys.

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 4:25 GMT)

West Indies has enormous talent but not a leader who channelizes the talent in the right direction. For ever, being called "entertainers" is not doing justice to that talent. Sammy should be reinstated as captain. Chanderpaul should be brought in to mentor juniors like DS Smith and DM Bravo, in the one or two years left of him. Just look up to the effect produced by Tendulkar on the youngsters in the Indian ODI side...

Posted by prem131969 on (July 16, 2013, 4:07 GMT)

People should not forget the 68 ball century in a test match vs australia and matches he won himself for the W.I side.

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 3:21 GMT)

@cricketdebator you are totally wrong chanderpaul will make s different in this team and sarwan also deserve another chance if pollard could fail, fail , fail and still fail and play . It's not a step backward , eg Afridi recall and what he did ? And Chanders and Sarwan I am sure if included in that last match the decision would have been different .also narsingh is available .

Posted by wanderer1957 on (July 16, 2013, 3:12 GMT)

I have watch most if not all WI matches for the past ten years and i have sadly come to the conclusion that most of the present crop of players or just not good enough. (1) Most of them lack the basic technique of batting,they are unable to concentrate long enough to build an innings and that is the chief reason why they keep getting out in the twenties and thirties also watching Best and Russel bowl and Charles and Pollard bat you just see what wrong with WI cricket,these four individuals should not play for any WI cricket team until they master the basic of Batsman-ship and the art of bowling. Just a question.Why is Miller is not in this one day side,he bowl stump to stump,like wise Afridi and we seen the results.

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 2:34 GMT)

Great arguments well writen. Numbers do not lie. Chanders has an average of 42 from 268 ODI. 11 centuries and 59 fiftes...Pollard..wait, let me check. he has played 83 ODI's and averages 25. His recent scores are : 3,0,0,4.28,22,30 and 29. Oh shucks, lets look at Gayle. His last 8 innings reads: 1,14, 10, 11, 109, 36,21,39 with an average of 30.What?a world class batsman with avf of 30? Maybe we shouldlook at the Bravos. First Dwane.he is averaging 20. with scores of 0,14,8,8,25,19 should I go on? An yes he is the capitan, leader of the men. While little brother Darren who is playing in this team simply because he looks good in the nets have an average of 31. he has played 61 ODI and has only amassed 1598 runs. lately his scores read: 5,70,1,55,27,12,35 and DUCK. How are any of these men BETTER than Chanderpaul?????

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 2:02 GMT)

WI selectors are not choosing the best ODI team. Too bad WI fans suffer.

Posted by Balb on (July 16, 2013, 1:41 GMT)

Cricketdebator, you made a good point that even if Chanderpaul is in the West Indies side they still lose. You forget that cricket is not won by one man alone. Shiv is the most consistent. You can add twenty/20 if given a chance. The omission of Chanderpaul was just around the time when Gayle spoke out and Sarwan was ousted. Only Gibson know why?

West Indies continue to build which is good but you need an experience one in the mix. Lloyd played until he was around forty plus years before he left. We need to mould young ones with a root in the middle. One with a heart like 'Tiger'. Can you really rely on Gayle, Bravo, Samuels, Sammy and Pollard to mould a young WI team in preparation for the world cup in 2015? Oh no, they will be at the IPL.

Gibson dumped a younger Sarwan, so who else you think is more fitting to see a new and young WI team than Shivnarine Chanderpaul.

Cameron, please recall Shiv. Give him the reins so that we can relive another Sir Frank Worrell.

I rest my case.

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 1:05 GMT)

Great article! Shiv is needed.

Posted by Devanand.Bhagwan on (July 16, 2013, 0:52 GMT)

Excellent point, Roger - and well stated!

It is also note worthy to point out that Chanderpaul excelled in the last (Bangladesh) Premier League this past year, where he was a stand out! So he is still sharp in the short format of the game!

Posted by   on (July 16, 2013, 0:11 GMT)

Good food for thought. Bravo is not a good captain and seems much more about promoting himself. Even though Sammy may not have the glamour of Bravo, he can make the team play together.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 23:14 GMT)

Adam_from_maine: You make some great points! I agree with everything you said, and I wish some selectors and WI management would read this stiff. So many decisions in the past have seemed rash to me. It takes a while for a guy with talent to become a great (and consistent) cricketer. This is something that WI selectors seem to overlook. After one or too failures they throw you away, instead of working on your weaknesses, apparently. This is why we don't see Bishoo, Shillingford, Deonarine, Benn and a host of others in this team. Also, I notice that this team is packed with IPL "name" stars, and perhaps the selectors effort to attract interest in these series might have affected the selection. Any other international team would have rested Gayle and Pollard at this stage, but perhaps the selectors are gunning for ratings.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 22:21 GMT)

The main source of WI under performance is Opiss Gibson. He has no motivational skills. He tries to lead by being a bully. I agree Shiv and Sars should be playing for WI but they should play under a new coach. With Shiv and Sars presence Gayle will perform better and they will mentor the younger batsmen that WI will need for the 2015 World Cup.

Posted by rsiddiqi on (July 15, 2013, 21:39 GMT)

As a Pakistani supporter with great admiration for Chanderpaul, we unfortunately are treating Misbah the same way. Scroll any comment section of a pakistan related article (or Misbah related), all you will find are complaints of how hes either not afridi (not directly of course), or his slow approach, defensive mindset..something or the other. He is the only one providing stability for Pk at the moment. Just like Chanderpaul could provide a backbone to build around for the all star t20 west indies team.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 21:30 GMT)

Shiv might have his languid moments, but there is absolutely no WI batsman who can make a paradise of any pitch in Guyana as Tiger. I reckon had cricket continued to be played at Bourda, Chanderpaul would have doubled his batting statistics by now.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 19:18 GMT)

Now the windies selectors will be fuming about making bravo as their captain because he doesent have captaincy skills nor he deserves a place in the squad,so none of the west indies team are sure starters except gayle and narine

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 19:02 GMT)

It is a shame for WI to play home games and not have 1 of your home stars be represented, mainly Chanderpaul! Then to show up with that poor excuse of a performance. how long will it take before the fans stop coming? Make those changes now!! C.Gayle, K.Powell, K.Edwards, S.Chanderpaul, DM. Bravo, M.Samuels, w/k J.Charles, c/D.Sammy, S.Narine, J.Holder, K.Roach 12th man DJ.Bravo. Per changes open with Chanderpaul and play DJ.Bravo as the extra bowler.If your most reliable batsman can play 5 days test cricket then he sure can play ODI. With this current team the likely hood of winning games is very few and far between.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (July 15, 2013, 18:57 GMT)

Shiv is currently contracted and doing great in the English format (even T20) where he hit one of the best innings of the tournament recently. The bigger issue is Deonarine who is available and in Guyana ! why is he not picked on his home ground on conditions he knows well v predominant spin attack of Pakistan as after Shiv one of the best players of spin in W.I . . .

Posted by cricketdebator on (July 15, 2013, 18:48 GMT)

West Indies problems do not stem from the absence of Chanderpaul, and therefore his presence will not solve them. Those who call for his inclusion should remember that even when he was on the team, West Indies was losing anyway, and looking at the current state of them team, there is nothing to suggest that if the "tiger" is included the result would not be any different, so from that perspective, it make no sense to play him in place of a young future player. Turning to Chander at this stage would be a backward step in my opinion, which we should avoid at all cost. What the selectors need to do is to make bold decisions in dropping those big-name failures from the team and replace them with a team of any young promising players around the Caribbean. Initially, they may lose as well , but at least we could take comfort from the likelihood of them getting better and better, and eventually develop into a winning team. Certainly, they can't do any worse than what the incumbents are doing

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 17:54 GMT)

WI can hardly do with branding someone of Shiv's class as 'Tests' only ! For a team that doesnt have any batsman worth the name, they must ( I repeat must ) always play Shiv and Sarwan whenever they are fit. Sarwan too is far to valuable a talent to be left out. It pains my heart to see how shabbily he has been treated.. they are just spoiling his life and career.

Gayle is nothing but a big name and must be dropped, even if not permanently. Sammy, Pollard and Dwayne are just sheer wastage.

Remember Shiv once opened for WI in ODIs with Hooper, and he can do that again. Where on earth are Adrian Bharath and Braithwaite ?

My XI :

Batsmen ( out of) : Shiv, Darren Bravo, Adrian Bharath, Denesh Ramdin, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Marlon Samuels, Brendon Nash, Jhonston Charles

Bowlers ( out of ) : Roach, Narine, Best, Holder, Andre Russel,

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 17:48 GMT)

Roger you have expressed my precise sentiments. All I would add is that the records will reflect that when necessary Chiv has been as aggressive, and effective as any dashing batsmen currently on the WI team. His assault on Steve Hamerson at Borda speaks to that. West Indies today need Chanderpaul in all 3 formats. The obviously talented, dashing batsmen in the team need someone to bat around. WI selectors must put on their thinking caps. If they have none, then the WI Board should make some radical changes at the Selectors level. On that note, Darren Sammy has shown more batting skills that any of our top batsmen in addition to his big-hitting ability. He should bet batting at NO. 6 on the West Indies team in all 3 formats, no lower (unless strategically necessary for a lower place batting in T20). God's speed...

Posted by vsssarma on (July 15, 2013, 17:46 GMT)

ODI cricket is not exactly IPL. A team needs solidity too like what a Rahul Dravid can give. It is the same solidity that Shiv can provide to WI team. He is certainly one of the top 10 greatest ODI batsmen of WI. Viv Richards, Andre Russell, Lara, Gayle, Sarwan, Clive Lloyd and then Chanderpaul.

While a strike rate should be high, the average should be high too. With an average of 42 and strike rate of 71, Chanderpaul can provide the much needed stability to the team.

Why did they forget Andre Russell who has a strike rate of 120 and average of 30 ?

Posted by zarasochozarasamjho on (July 15, 2013, 17:45 GMT)

If you look at Chanderpaul statistics (where else do you look); you will find a world class test batsman - throughout his career, ocassional bumps ignored (even Bradman got a duck in his final test innings). JUST on this basis he should be included in the team. I do not care how slow he is; can't be slower than how WI batted in this match. I feel frustrated and I am a Pakistani fan. How does Chanderpaul feel? WI is at a loss if he is not playing. Period!

Posted by macadamnut on (July 15, 2013, 17:43 GMT)

@ Jose Puliampatta - Sarwan seems to have forgotten how to bat. He came back into the team this winter, looked alright in warm-up games then invariably scored a very slow 0 or 1 in internationals. I don't think he's been into double digits in a real match since the World Cup. Incidentally I've never known why Chanderpaul should've shared blame for the World Cup with Gayle and Sarwan, or why K Pollard shouldn't, or why Devon Smith was dropped for two years because he couldn't play Mohammed Hafeez. And why is it that someone who's been captain and then isn't captain can never be captain again? How is Pollard next in line after Bravo? It's madness.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 17:42 GMT)

I agree Sammy was best thing for Captain did u seewhat happen after he was drop huh, when something is not broken please don;t fix it that happen to W.I, bravo gayle & pollard now Narine, what happen too them? When shillingford & Chanderpaul even Rusell will get there try?

Posted by K_Doc on (July 15, 2013, 17:08 GMT)

Great article. The WICB and Selectors are shortsighted. They should be judged on performance as should be the WI players or be replaced. Chanderpaul in, Pollard out. Sammy back to captaincy, the team responds better.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 16:38 GMT)

Chanderpaul is Misbah for Westindies. No one likes him but he is as essential in the team as is Chris Gayle. Without Misbah, Pakistan would have seen consistent scores of less than 100 but he has given them respectable scores. On a flatest of tracks Westindies may do well but on a little difficult wicket they need Chanderpaul.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 16:12 GMT)

Having Chanderpaul in the team would help, but it wouldn't help much if the rest of the team continue to be useless. I mean the whole rest of the team - batsmen who score 0, bowlers who can't penetrate, a novice wicketkeeper and a captain without a clue. No, just adding Chanderpaul will not fix the problem. He will simply stand at the crease scoring a an incredibly slow run rate as he watches in horror his partner batsmen come and go in a blink. And all this will trying to chase a score too high to reach. West Indies needs a TEAM of players, who all show up to every game and fight. Also, Gayle (always the great West Indies hope) looks like he can't run between the wickets, so why is he playing right now?

Posted by bajanborn on (July 15, 2013, 16:05 GMT)

The WI problem lies in the selectors and coach full stop .until someone who can fill the spot left open by the absence of a patient batsman in the middle order and a coach who can apply cricketing knowledge accordingly wi will continue to frustrate its fans and even the players .why should Bravo jr. go in at # 3 after the team loses a wicket to the second ball of an innings when Simmons an opener is in the team ? what has pollard done to merit a place in the team and Bravo sr. who is neither fish nor fowl ?Bravo cannot continue to bat at 6 for that is a larry gomes or hussey's position .lets admit it bravo cant bat that well . time to go visionless selectors and the coach who is hopeless .i am hurting .

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 15:56 GMT)

No doubt that there are talented cricketers in the West Indies. Putting together team in a team sport remains a big challenge for West Indian cricketing visionaries, selectors, coach and board, though. We don't know if they are still doing team building or if they are striving for wins. At the work place yesterday, where international cricketing fans and followers were discussing the game, a question was asked. Where is Chanderpaul? All, I as a Guyanese and West Indian cricket fan could say was, "The coach don't want him". Am I wrong on that? On another point. Although I really like Dwayne Bravo as a cricketer. Why was Sammy removed from the captaincy. Was it another stroke of brilliance from the visionaries?

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 15:52 GMT)

Chanders is solid rock in the middle, By the way, what is / went wrong with Sarwan? Any one knows?

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 15:24 GMT)

There is also another player which the West Indies discarded who could fill this role.One Brendan Nash who recently made 199 not out in County Cricket.Any clue why he is not in the West Indies set up?

Posted by MMZCric on (July 15, 2013, 14:52 GMT)

WI Management is getting it wrong over and over again. There is no doubt Chanderpaul should be in the team, the fans knows it, the entire cricketing world outside of WI knows it, unfortunately the WI selectors doesn't knows it. They also failed again in selecting Bravo for the Captaincy, he may be a good T20 player but in ODIs and Tests he is absolutely useless. The Captaincy should go back to Sammy as Captaincy comes with leadership and unfortunately Bravo doesn't have a clue.

Posted by Reuelsean on (July 15, 2013, 14:40 GMT)

Really Fed up of all the articles and ppl asking for this player to be dropped, and that player to be brought back. Can't ppl see that regardless of how many players the Wi team changes, that we still loose really badly? And what has sammy done as ODI captain? he has lost more series than he has won, as has been the trend with most wi captains over the last 10 yrs or so. You guys are really just suggesting plastering a very deep soar. The fact is the Wi have been playing really horrible cricket for years now. Really fed up of all the excuses by the wi players and management staff.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 14:26 GMT)

Agreed with one who said West Indies need specialist batsmen in the middle order... Not all rounders of average average... And removing Sammy from captaincy was very hasty and mindless...

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 13:48 GMT)

Chanderpaul is not a bad option because the team needs what he has, which is backbone. However for the team to win, not only now but with an eye to the future, we need to drop Pollard and Duane Bravo. I am ashamed to hear people refer to Pollard as a West Indies batsman. Pollard can win a few games single handedly but does nothing of consequence in the next 8-10 games. He is a bad gamble. Bravo, though talented, has proven quite useless. He is way behind Sammy as a cricketer and captain. Sammy is a fighter. Bravo is blinger. Gayle is on borrowed time. He needs to show up when needed and not just strike a redemptive innings of 150 after failing in the previous 4-5 matches. He is befuddled by the moving ball, but I must confess that even me sitting on my couch yesterday felt fear as the Paki bowlers kept delivering at well over 90mph. My lineup; Gayle, Charles, Bravo, Samuels, Kieron Powell, Simmons , Sammy Holder, Narine, Roach, Shillingford/Permaul/Gabriel (based on the wicket)

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 13:45 GMT)

Chanderpaul's records speak for himself. Wish current crop of WI players adopt his attitude and never say die approach.

Posted by A.Ak on (July 15, 2013, 13:45 GMT)

41+ avg and 70+ strike rate, is not bad for someone known as stabilizer of the innings. He has got 150, one of the fastest test ton, he is in the list of all time greats.

Posted by macadamnut on (July 15, 2013, 13:43 GMT)

And where is Shiv Chanderpaul while all this debate rages about whether he is even capable of playing limited-overs cricket? Oh, just playing T20 for Derbyshire, when he isn't opening the batting for Guyana's T20 side.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 13:34 GMT)

Very well written Rog! I'll never comprehend the West Indies selectors' thought process.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 13:21 GMT)

His last ODI was against Pakistan in the WC 2011. Where he remained not out.


I think WI really need's him.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 13:19 GMT)

Very well written Rog! I'll never comprehend the West Indies selectors' thought process.

Posted by vannoj on (July 15, 2013, 13:04 GMT)

Many cricketing followers around the world let alone those in the Wets Indies often claim that Chanderpaul is not suitable for ODI, but have anyone stopped to check his record in this format of the game. The one to check is his strike rate. Have the people who are saying strike rate is the reason for his omission ever check Chanderpaul's strike rate? Just for comparison with some of the other WI middle order batters: L Simmons - 68.23 D M Bravo - 70.36 Devon Smith - 71.03 M Samuels - 73.03 S Chanderpaul - 70.74 You make your judge. And add these: patience, soundness of technique, deep consideration, concentration, and conditional awareness. Who on the WI team has there characteristics.

Posted by CricketChat on (July 15, 2013, 12:58 GMT)

Going back to Shiv would be a backward step. He was clearly past his prime about 2/3 yrs ago and very much a short term fix even if he can bring in a semblance of stability in the middle order. WI selectors need to be commended for their foresight in not recalling Shiv despite repetitive failures of the middle order in recent times. As one of the readers pointed out Sarwan is expected to fill in that role, but he failed miserably despite being given several chances of late and should be out of reckoning for the moment. Added to that DJ Bravo and Pollard, who occupy critical positions in the middle order, are not consistent with bat to hold the innings together if the top order fails. Given their lack of success with bowling, it only compounds the problem. It would be wise to invest in future even if it means painful losses in the meantime.

Posted by Tronyai on (July 15, 2013, 12:57 GMT)

Please wi cricket bring back shiv he could play beyondthe40s

Posted by lazytrini on (July 15, 2013, 12:23 GMT)

Sure Chanderpaul has has a couple quick scoring innings. But 1 innings like that per 100 innings isn't justification for his inclusion in a limited overs side. If we're questioning/criticizing the inconsistent performances of current members of the team, the suggestion that he is the solution is pure folly.

Posted by Mr.JA on (July 15, 2013, 12:16 GMT)

It would be very difficult for selectors to bring back Shiv. The entire selection panel led by Butts need to go as they lack the vision to move Windies cricket to within 5 years of other Nation. We need a fresh outfit. Where in the world would Poor- Lad maintain a pick with scores of 0,0,4,0 and 3? . OMG. Narine, Gail, Samuels Darren and Dwayne Bravo must be made to work for their respective picks. I would opt for in batting order: Powel, Charles, Simmons, Darren Bravo, Edwards(capt), Deonarine, Sammy, Shillingford/ Miller, Holder, Cummings, Gabriel.

Posted by PACERONE on (July 15, 2013, 12:04 GMT)

Some people like to pick on certain individuals this is why W.Ii cricket is like it is.There are bowlers to replace the ones that do not perform,but for batsmen you might have to bring back Greenidge and Haynes.Nash was made vice captain and then discarded quickly while others are still playing and are totally useless.If Gayle does not perform then the batting usually fails.Why not try and bat him at #4 and see what happens.Young W.I batsmen are consumed with hitting sixes,when they cannot play for a single.Getting caught on the boundaries is a normal occurrence.That ball could of been a single or more if hit on the ground.

Posted by ODI_BestFormOfCricket on (July 15, 2013, 11:59 GMT)

Bravo and pollard are neither good batsmen nor good bowlers, even not good allrounders too. They are good for t20's only, just play supportive role and ineffective. Sammy is better than above two allrounder. WI Need geniune batsman who holds innings together and rotates strike at 80's.

Posted by ramesh80 on (July 15, 2013, 11:37 GMT)

i don't understand why people are so crazy about player age? if he is fit,he has hunger for runs then he should be drafted into squad. What has west indise team gained from excluding chandrapaul for nearly two years? nothing !!! If chandrapaul is willing to play then include him in team. let him play for 1-2 and what ever year he wants to play and he is fit. Chandrapaul will bring solidity in team while now it has been filled by hard hitter like pollard, Charles, Bravo, Sammy etc!!!

Posted by everfaithful77 on (July 15, 2013, 10:08 GMT)

This entire West Indies ODI team needs to be REVAMPED and RESTRUCTURED around younger players. CHANDERPAUL would be the glue that keep things together in a youthful team. He never retired from ODI cricket and probably has at least two years of service to offer. This would be more than enough time to help build a youthful, skillful and formidable ODI unit like India's. Windies are currently loosing badly and regularly so now is the best time to make major changes. I would suggest releasing Gayle, Pollard, Best, Smith and Simmons from current team after 2nd ODI. I think Chanderpaul is currently nursing a hamstring injury and may not be available for selection right now. So in the mean time Deonarine can be recruited to perform similar role along with young players like Kirk Edwards (opener) and Keddy Lesporis (middle order bat). Ashley Nurse (offspinner had a fantastic 2013 season), Johnson or Cummings can relieve Narine and Roach. YOU CAN"T EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS WITH SAME TEAM.

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 9:47 GMT)

well written. that was the role Sarwan should have been playing. I am not sure he has been successful with his emotions and performance. if he gets that right in the next year he can play that role for another 5 years.

Posted by jplterrors on (July 15, 2013, 9:21 GMT)

Gayle and Bravos are useless in ODIs never do anything, D.Sammy is their best player

Posted by   on (July 15, 2013, 9:17 GMT)

Chanderpaul has done well. But at this juncture I believe he is not the solution for West indies. I think they need to look for a star who will serve them for the next 10 years and clearly chanderpaul is not the one. The problem here is that does West Indies have someone who can do this for them.

Posted by Synaesthesia on (July 15, 2013, 9:07 GMT)

Yeah Shiv can play T20's and ODI's! I've seen him smash sixes like the best of them. He has the technique to adapt his game, and his record speaks for itself! Bring him back the team needs him!

Posted by B.C.G on (July 15, 2013, 9:01 GMT)

So a 39 yr is the solution to all the problems.Great.For how long I wonder.Soon everyone will be calling for Sarwan(the other experienced guy;experienced in making 1s) to return.

Posted by SNIFFLEATHER on (July 15, 2013, 8:54 GMT)

Why oh why do we keep hearing this argument to bring back Chanders? The decision was made a while ago and it likely won't be reversed - the idea was to prolong the test career of the best West Indian around, not waste his energies on countless, near pointless limited overs drivel, such as the tri-nations and ODI series currently ongoing. Roll on the proper cricket - then we'll see Shiv! Go with a Fudadin, Powell or Deonarine if you want somebody to steady the line-up in the shorter format.

Posted by TJJOSEPH on (July 15, 2013, 8:51 GMT)

Why do you need Chris Gayle there in ODI team?.Once in 15 matches he performs and always put the tem under pressure. remove him from the top and let simmons open with charles. Chander can be the mentor.

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