England v India, 2nd ODI, Rose Bowl September 6, 2011

One-dimensional attack hurts India

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How can India stop an opposition as strong as England with a bowling attack that appears feeble by comparison? In the absence of a strike bowler, an experienced spinner and a specialist death bowler like Jade Dernbach, India clearly appear to be at a disadvantage.

It would not be wrong to define the Indian fast bowling line-up that featured at the Rose Bowl as a one-dimensional attack: they all bowl at the same pace, deploying mostly the same approach. Praveen Kumar, Munaf Patel and Vinay Kumar all bowl in the 78-80mph pace bracket, which is barely threatening. Both Praveen and Vinay rely on swing while Munaf combines accuracy with bounce and a cunning change of pace to buy his wickets.

But on Wednesday evening, on a wet surface the Indian fast bowling trio failed miserably. Their lack of success exposed not only R Ashwin, the lone specialist spinner, but also the second line of attack of Suresh Raina and Virat Kohli, who combined to do the fifth bowler's duties.

In the face of such modest pace, against which they could not only pick the balls but also the areas they wanted to hit to, the England opening pair of Craig Kieswetter and Alistair Cook rushed off the block confidently. So unafraid was Kieswetter that he started advancing down the track audaciously virtually every ball. There were a few false starts initially, but then unlike Usain Bolt, Kieswetter had a second chance.

England had dashed to 56 for 0 at the end of five overs; India took the bowling Powerplay immediately, but the England pair added another 19 runs in the next two overs. By the tenth over the hosts had pretty much sealed the match. MS Dhoni, India's captain, agreed when he highlighted India's fast bowling weakness.

"It became a difficult once the ball got wet," Dhoni said, searching for reasons more than excuses. "None of our fast bowlers are really genuinely quick. They look to swing the ball and when it does not swing as it is wet it becomes difficult." The wet ball, Dhoni pointed out, only carried on to the bat nicely, allowing the batsman to counter them easily.

As Kieswetter and Cook overwhelmed the Indians with their explosive batting, Dhoni used every means to try and stop them. He thought introducing Ashwin inside the first five overs could at least slow down the England run rate. But the offspinner was clobbered by Kieswetter for 16 runs in his first over, including two massive sixes.

"Once Vinay Kumar and Praveen Kumar went for runs I thought it would good to give the offspinner a chance, thinking that would make the difference but even he went for quite a few runs," Dhoni said. "In the first five overs nothing worked for us."

The absence of Yuvraj Singh, who performed the duties of the fifth bowler during the World Cup so successfully, has hurt India severely. Yuvraj's canny change of pace and an aggressive line of attack not only restricted the batsmen from scoring freely but also fetched key wickets. Dhoni said that was the difference in the two defeats, first in the Twenty20 at Old Trafford and now at Rose Bowl.

But with Yuvraj out of the series due to injury, and a part-timer like Ravindra Jadeja missing today's match due to visa issues that delayed his arrival, India have been forced to rely on Raina and Kohli for some overs. Today their four overs cost 35 runs and Dhoni was satisfied with that considering the assault the England openers meted out in the first ten overs.

"It is not about the players who are not part of the side," Dhoni said. "It is very important that the five bowlers that we have got and the two spinners make a real difference in the series."

He now expects Jadeja to fill in the breach left by Yuvraj. "When you have the fifth bowler you can manoeuvre the bowlers. But with Virat Kohli and Suresh Raina it is becoming difficult to manoeuvre the bowling. Those are the four overs where you do not want to give away too many runs. But if your first four bowlers are going for too many runs it becomes more difficult."

The Indian selectors never explain their reasoning to the public, so no one will ever know why they did not think of Jadeja as the fifth option when they picked the ODI squad. It makes them appear precious, and such an attitude is only hurting Indian cricket.

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on September 8, 2011, 13:44 GMT

    Playing 5 regular batsman and 1wk and 5 regular bowlers will solve india's losing streak Dhoni has to step up the order and take the initial attack, if he does, why will he be commenting that "bowlers had to step up???" id in the next odi if the batting fails, wat will he be commenting" this time around Batsman need to step up???", wat if batting and bowling is gud and the fielding is outdone, will he say"fielders need to step up??" the whole test series was Dravid, Ishant and Praveens show and now in odi series the young and showing the brilliance and now i see is half the team is filling with CSK team, will in future the country's name will be change to "SOUTH INDIA" (like the south africa???)...

  • OliverWebber on September 8, 2011, 12:41 GMT

    Compare McGrath and Tait for Australia: McGrath didn't rely on pace, but sheer accuracy and consistency. Tait, the out-and-out speedster, had a short and inconsistent test career - McGrath was an oustanding test bowler for many years. So pure pace is not necessarily the answer. I don't think there's so much difference in *type* of bowler between England's current attack and their less successful bowlers of the 90s (pretty much all fast-medium, one or two who can swing it) - but the accuracy/consistency and fitness/stamina are vastly improved. I would suggest that's what the Indian bowlers need to work on. Look at Praveen Kumar: a nagging line outside off and a bit of swing gave him a pretty decent series. He's not especially fast. If his colleagues had performed like him, the result might have been different.

  • Naresh28 on September 8, 2011, 12:38 GMT

    Here is a list I found on the internet of Indian fast bowlers:-

    1, J Srinath - 156Kmph (99, Africa tour) 2, A Nehra - 149 Kmph (2003 World cup) 3, S Sreesanth - 149 Kmph (Kuwalmpur tri series 2006) 4, RP Singh - 147 Kmph ( Recent Aus series) 5, A Agarkar - 146 Kmph (when he made his debut around 2001-2002) 6, Z Khan - 146 Kmph ( 2003 world cup) 7, A Bhandari - 145 Kmph (2004 Aus tour-this guy was really good strong bowler with good action in his early days, but unfortunate one) 8, VRV Singh - 145 Kmph (2006 Africa tour) 9, Munaf Patel - 143 Kmph (early 2006) 10, L Balaji - 140 Kmph (2004 Pakistan tour)

    An interesting fact here is that our bowlers start off pacey and then slow down in their careers. Nehra is a good ODI bowler and is way up there but not in the current squad. I dont see Kapil in this list or is it that he is older than the list.

  • itsthewayuplay on September 8, 2011, 9:26 GMT

    I don't think simply pace is the answer - look at Mitchell Johnson and before Shoahib Aktar. They are/were tremendously exciting bowlers because of their pace and unpredicatability but rarely consistent matchwinners. Although Johnson still has time to change this. So if bowlers don't have pace as clearly India's don't then variety, such as a change of pace, becomes the main weapon. A quicker ball for the military medium pacers like India can be as effective as a slower ball for genuine quicks, or yorkers, bowling wide of off stump, alternate between leg cutter and off cutter yet Indian bowlers have not done any of these things. The top 3 wicket takers in Tests are spinners and yes I know that spinners bowl more overs and are more effective on days 4/5 of tests etc but the point I'm making is they do not have out and pace and use their guile and disguise in addition to their skill, principles that Indian's medium pacers should employ.

  • Naresh28 on September 8, 2011, 9:22 GMT

    INDIAN FANS should not be disppointed too much of the future. In emerging tournaments played in Australia recently. India finished tops in both tournaments. Some stats from those tournaments showed we had the second most no of centurions ,Most wickets from our bowlers(50), most sixes. In that tournament - Rahane, Tiwari, Pandey,Menaria shone in the batting. Varun, Vinay, Iqbal, Unadkat shone in the bowling. The tournament had SA, Australia, NZ, India playing. We appeared to be 2nd to SA in the bowling department and had more team members contributing in the batting than the other teams. Again two SA batsman were tops.

  • on September 7, 2011, 22:56 GMT

    I don't understand the excuses presented by Indian Captain and Team management that their key players are injured. None of these players with the exception of Sehwag was injured when tour started. I think its not too much Cricket, but its that Indian players are too soft and they can't play real hard cricked displayed by the English team. You normally get injured when you try get out of your zone and try to perform more than you are capable of. The Indian team as a whole not mentally and physically strong enough to compete against this profession English team. Its men against the boys!

  • TamilIndian on September 7, 2011, 21:44 GMT

    I just want this tour to get over please... can the english rain gods please shower out the rest of the tour? - PlzzzzZZ

  • on September 7, 2011, 21:17 GMT

    sreesanth, variety of ojha, all round abilities of yusuf pathan you need these three players as they are match winners at the end of the day.. that is why india won the world cup as every player in his own time is a match winner i dont see anyone in the current indian line up as a match winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • srisri on September 7, 2011, 21:12 GMT

    Since we don't have bowlers.. why can't we field a team of 11 batters, who can rotate the hands to bowl with the same pace as Munaf/Kumars.

  • Nampally on September 7, 2011, 20:36 GMT

    ODI is all about who scores more within limited 50 overs of less, alloted. A combination of aggressive batting + economical bowling + tight fielding & good catching wins. India batted well but failed in other departments. 188 in 23 overs is a very good total. But if the bowling is attrocious even 300 is inadequate. Leaking out 10 runs/over by the pacemen was terrible. Dhoni had a choice to ask for 3 replacements for the injured players. When the bowling is so weak why did he not go for 3 bowlers? Ojha is right in England and has been playing for Surrey. He is an econmical bowler.Aeron has been sent to reinforce the pace attack. Why is he warming the bench?why Jadeja, who was especially sent at Dhoni's request, is warming the bench?. Why not bring in Rahul Sharma for his fast leg spinners to combat a team weak against leg breaks. Mishra is too slow to be effective. Rahul is the answer. There is no point in saying we don't have bowlers when you are not using the available talent.

  • on September 8, 2011, 13:44 GMT

    Playing 5 regular batsman and 1wk and 5 regular bowlers will solve india's losing streak Dhoni has to step up the order and take the initial attack, if he does, why will he be commenting that "bowlers had to step up???" id in the next odi if the batting fails, wat will he be commenting" this time around Batsman need to step up???", wat if batting and bowling is gud and the fielding is outdone, will he say"fielders need to step up??" the whole test series was Dravid, Ishant and Praveens show and now in odi series the young and showing the brilliance and now i see is half the team is filling with CSK team, will in future the country's name will be change to "SOUTH INDIA" (like the south africa???)...

  • OliverWebber on September 8, 2011, 12:41 GMT

    Compare McGrath and Tait for Australia: McGrath didn't rely on pace, but sheer accuracy and consistency. Tait, the out-and-out speedster, had a short and inconsistent test career - McGrath was an oustanding test bowler for many years. So pure pace is not necessarily the answer. I don't think there's so much difference in *type* of bowler between England's current attack and their less successful bowlers of the 90s (pretty much all fast-medium, one or two who can swing it) - but the accuracy/consistency and fitness/stamina are vastly improved. I would suggest that's what the Indian bowlers need to work on. Look at Praveen Kumar: a nagging line outside off and a bit of swing gave him a pretty decent series. He's not especially fast. If his colleagues had performed like him, the result might have been different.

  • Naresh28 on September 8, 2011, 12:38 GMT

    Here is a list I found on the internet of Indian fast bowlers:-

    1, J Srinath - 156Kmph (99, Africa tour) 2, A Nehra - 149 Kmph (2003 World cup) 3, S Sreesanth - 149 Kmph (Kuwalmpur tri series 2006) 4, RP Singh - 147 Kmph ( Recent Aus series) 5, A Agarkar - 146 Kmph (when he made his debut around 2001-2002) 6, Z Khan - 146 Kmph ( 2003 world cup) 7, A Bhandari - 145 Kmph (2004 Aus tour-this guy was really good strong bowler with good action in his early days, but unfortunate one) 8, VRV Singh - 145 Kmph (2006 Africa tour) 9, Munaf Patel - 143 Kmph (early 2006) 10, L Balaji - 140 Kmph (2004 Pakistan tour)

    An interesting fact here is that our bowlers start off pacey and then slow down in their careers. Nehra is a good ODI bowler and is way up there but not in the current squad. I dont see Kapil in this list or is it that he is older than the list.

  • itsthewayuplay on September 8, 2011, 9:26 GMT

    I don't think simply pace is the answer - look at Mitchell Johnson and before Shoahib Aktar. They are/were tremendously exciting bowlers because of their pace and unpredicatability but rarely consistent matchwinners. Although Johnson still has time to change this. So if bowlers don't have pace as clearly India's don't then variety, such as a change of pace, becomes the main weapon. A quicker ball for the military medium pacers like India can be as effective as a slower ball for genuine quicks, or yorkers, bowling wide of off stump, alternate between leg cutter and off cutter yet Indian bowlers have not done any of these things. The top 3 wicket takers in Tests are spinners and yes I know that spinners bowl more overs and are more effective on days 4/5 of tests etc but the point I'm making is they do not have out and pace and use their guile and disguise in addition to their skill, principles that Indian's medium pacers should employ.

  • Naresh28 on September 8, 2011, 9:22 GMT

    INDIAN FANS should not be disppointed too much of the future. In emerging tournaments played in Australia recently. India finished tops in both tournaments. Some stats from those tournaments showed we had the second most no of centurions ,Most wickets from our bowlers(50), most sixes. In that tournament - Rahane, Tiwari, Pandey,Menaria shone in the batting. Varun, Vinay, Iqbal, Unadkat shone in the bowling. The tournament had SA, Australia, NZ, India playing. We appeared to be 2nd to SA in the bowling department and had more team members contributing in the batting than the other teams. Again two SA batsman were tops.

  • on September 7, 2011, 22:56 GMT

    I don't understand the excuses presented by Indian Captain and Team management that their key players are injured. None of these players with the exception of Sehwag was injured when tour started. I think its not too much Cricket, but its that Indian players are too soft and they can't play real hard cricked displayed by the English team. You normally get injured when you try get out of your zone and try to perform more than you are capable of. The Indian team as a whole not mentally and physically strong enough to compete against this profession English team. Its men against the boys!

  • TamilIndian on September 7, 2011, 21:44 GMT

    I just want this tour to get over please... can the english rain gods please shower out the rest of the tour? - PlzzzzZZ

  • on September 7, 2011, 21:17 GMT

    sreesanth, variety of ojha, all round abilities of yusuf pathan you need these three players as they are match winners at the end of the day.. that is why india won the world cup as every player in his own time is a match winner i dont see anyone in the current indian line up as a match winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • srisri on September 7, 2011, 21:12 GMT

    Since we don't have bowlers.. why can't we field a team of 11 batters, who can rotate the hands to bowl with the same pace as Munaf/Kumars.

  • Nampally on September 7, 2011, 20:36 GMT

    ODI is all about who scores more within limited 50 overs of less, alloted. A combination of aggressive batting + economical bowling + tight fielding & good catching wins. India batted well but failed in other departments. 188 in 23 overs is a very good total. But if the bowling is attrocious even 300 is inadequate. Leaking out 10 runs/over by the pacemen was terrible. Dhoni had a choice to ask for 3 replacements for the injured players. When the bowling is so weak why did he not go for 3 bowlers? Ojha is right in England and has been playing for Surrey. He is an econmical bowler.Aeron has been sent to reinforce the pace attack. Why is he warming the bench?why Jadeja, who was especially sent at Dhoni's request, is warming the bench?. Why not bring in Rahul Sharma for his fast leg spinners to combat a team weak against leg breaks. Mishra is too slow to be effective. Rahul is the answer. There is no point in saying we don't have bowlers when you are not using the available talent.

  • 6forus on September 7, 2011, 19:37 GMT

    oh man... i cant understand wht dhoni trying to explain about this defeat, we dont have bowlers who can bowl according to the situation....country of one billion and still no bowler who can cross 90mph...??? wana point one thing.. when irfan pathan took hatrick against pakistan in his first over ... after the match even teh gr8 sunil gavasar, shastri, manjrekar, wasim and our selectors mentioned he will be the best bowler for india and a gr8 allrounder after kapil dev.. after 2 3 years he was vanished from the national side, juz 2 bad series he was dropped, why? when mcgrath, murali, warne used to give more runs and when they had bad time, they were not thrown out from the team, they gave them more chances, OUR selectors wants only PAISA... no matter who is playing o not, if agarkar was dere he wud ve been best in these ngland conditons, when at this age he wud hve bowled 140 plus.. or atlest pick sreesanth who can be little threat .. y he is been dropped no idea...

  • rsurya on September 7, 2011, 19:32 GMT

    If parthiv can keep wickets then bring in rayudu or stiwary in for Dhoni. What is he doing behind and before the stumps??? Enjoying the privileged out of form for years. I hear someone saying " Did you forget him winning the worldcup for us" For many of his fans India played a direct finals. Not every match is played in las vegas....... mind it....

  • loyalIndianfan on September 7, 2011, 18:35 GMT

    Always the same question is asked...Why can't a country of a BILLION plus produce a couple or just ONE person capable of bowling 90mph! Its been a problem we've had since the 80's! Is MRF even producing fast bowlers or just STEADY ones!

  • nawwabsahab on September 7, 2011, 18:26 GMT

    dhoni shud stop displaying idiotic reasons and shud stand and accept defeat and say we are no more good to defend scores or attack any team...also plz plz plz find atleast one 80/85 mph plus bowler for God sake....cant we have a proper fast bowler...and plz no more kapil, srinath praise...plz

  • on September 7, 2011, 18:08 GMT

    Captains should stop give reasons saying this player is missing that player is missing when leading a country(sorry BCCI) having lot of good cricket players and who look forward to play in international games for the rich BCCI.

  • Mahesh_Sankara on September 7, 2011, 17:23 GMT

    1) Why can't Murali Kartik be recalled.. he is not only familiar with the English conditions but also is still the best left arm spinner in India.. if not anything else, this move will bring the competitive spirit in Bhajji.. 2) Dhoni made a blunder by not giving Munaf a chance to play in the Test Series. He's doing the same mistake with Varun Aeron. Just blood the youngster. We have nothing to loose. 3) While I'm not a great fan of Jadeja, at the moment, he is the best spin bowling all rounder.. So he should be an automatic choice.. If Vinay Kumar is given extended run , Irfan Pathan is much better any day. Let's admit that he is the only fast-medium bowling all rounder in India.

  • Sunil_Canada on September 7, 2011, 17:17 GMT

    When you don't have 7 first choice players (Sehwag, Sachin, Gautam, Yuvraj, Zaheer, Harbhajan, Ishant) because of injury, you cannot blame the captain or selectors. But I must ask Dhoni, please tell me didn't you guys take England lightly? Didn't you think it would be easy to beat Englang? Were you not over confident? Whatever you may say, it showed becasue of absence of key payers from WI tour which should have been treated as preparation for England. The way you gave up against WI, we knew what to expect in England. Don't take any team lightly. You should prepare like Indian team used to prepare againt mighty Australians 10 year ago. I don't want to cry about IPL. IPL is there to stay and players should & will play & must make money and while playing IPL or Ranji if they are injured, that's bad luck and that's ok. Please play IPL, Champions League as well as be serious when you play for India without any compromise.

  • mensan on September 7, 2011, 17:15 GMT

    where is varun aaron who was praised by everybody? why jadeja time and again?

  • GlobalCricketLover on September 7, 2011, 17:11 GMT

    "Indian selectors never explain their reasoning to the public". Nagaraj, don't be harsh on selectors. As soon as anyone finds a reasoning behind their acts they will certainly let everyone know! You can't expect them to give something they don't have...

  • on September 7, 2011, 17:04 GMT

    even guys playing on street can bowl faster than indian bowlers....

  • on September 7, 2011, 16:35 GMT

    i think its time fr irfan to make a return or bring an experienced bowler lyk sree or nehra to the team

  • on September 7, 2011, 15:33 GMT

    only way india can get off this is by playing their natural cricket with full determination..bowlers should be feeling more confident.. that is very essential to win an match..speak with your bat and bowl them out india..

  • InnocentGuy on September 7, 2011, 15:19 GMT

    @BifferSpice, nice :)

    Actually, don't bother too much about these ODIs anyway. It's a series gone so awry that even a couple of wins in the ODIs isn't going to (shouldn't?) make a difference. So India won the last tour to England and England won this one. Of course England won it more convincingly than India did. So let's wait and see how the next tour goes.

  • NairUSA on September 7, 2011, 15:12 GMT

    Well, that is what we have and we have to play these medium pacers. Has anyone seen Indian lads who can bowl fast and effectively any time recently? No is the answer. A more viable alternative is to restore our expertise in spin bowling. If these gentle medium pacers had taken wickets yesterday, this article would have been written praising the virtues of playing these trundlers in one dayers.

  • kancnaic on September 7, 2011, 15:12 GMT

    iT IS PITYABLE THAT WE HAVE TO SEE THE MATCH KNOWING ALREADY THAT INDIA WILL BE BEATEN.THE SELECTORS HAVE SELECTED MANY PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT UP TO INTERNATIONAL STANDARED.BUT WE CAN DO NOTHING BUT SEE THE MATCH.

  • iliastop11 on September 7, 2011, 15:05 GMT

    where is yousuf pathan and irfan pathan. its clearly visible how india badly needs a clean hitter at no :7 slot which is best suitable now 4 yusuf pathan or irfan pathan

  • ptnair on September 7, 2011, 14:56 GMT

    @SamRoy - I agree with your thoughts. Good observation. So what would be your choices for the next test series?

  • kancnaic on September 7, 2011, 14:54 GMT

    DHONI HAS ALREADY KNOWN ABOUT HIS TEAM BOWLING.THEN WHY HAS HE SELECTED THIS COMBINATION?DHONI'S SHARE IS 50% AND SRIKKANTH'S SHARE IS 50% FOR INDIA'S FAILURE.

  • Nampally on September 7, 2011, 14:36 GMT

    I have been pushing for a wicket taking bowler in these columns right from the start. If India goes with 2 spin bowlers, they both have to be accurate - if batsmen take risks, they are OUT. India has Rahul Sharma, who I thought is the best leg spinner in these English pitches for the ODI's. He is accurate, economical and bowls much faster than a conventional leg spinner. His height makes the ball bounce even on Indian wickets. On English pitches he would have been a great spinner - bit like Chandrasekhar. When each of the injury occured I thought the Selectors will get this bowler. But he is not even seen on the horizon. The second accurate spinner is Ojha, now playing for Surrey. Dhoni says India has all 3 pacemen with similar pace 75-80 MPH. Why not include Aeron instead of Vinay Kumar at 85 MPH? Dhoni does not select the right team & expects miracles.Aeron, Kumar & Munaf in Pace and Rahul Sharma & Jadeja (both can bat) to replace Yuvraj.This provides a balanced & good attack.

  • bharath74 on September 7, 2011, 14:28 GMT

    Anyway bowlers are being hit all over the park, why not give Varun Aaron a chance than relying on spinners like Vinay Kumar, yes our so called pace bowlers have less pace than Anil Kumble. Jadeja,Ashwin,Pravin, Munaf and Varun shud be our bowling choice, jadega can bat as well.. Rahane,Parthiv,Kohli,Raina,Dhoni & Dravid for batting shud be a balanced side.

  • AnisKhalid on September 7, 2011, 14:12 GMT

    I English conditions u need a Good fast bowler & Fast ball allrounder in the team, how many one of them r there in the team. Spin allrounder like yuvi and jadeja wil be better in asian condtions. Why these selector and captian not bring Irfan Patan back to team?

  • zico123 on September 7, 2011, 14:00 GMT

    ofcourse Praveen, Munaf, Vinay trio is one-dimensional attack, it took us 3 games to understand that !! Dhoni keeps saying our bowlers are not genuine quicks, then why he don't play Aaron Varun?? he must play in the remaining 3 games, you never know he might be the bowler India was looking for

  • spinkingKK on September 7, 2011, 13:58 GMT

    The answer to the question raised by Nagraj Gollapudi is, Jadeja hasn't been good enough. So, the selectors were right in not picking him in the first place. Maybe, now, they are ok because there are not many around to pick from. However, Irfan Pathan must have been picked. Also, Indian selectors shouldn't give up on Agarkar. He is a veteran now and still young enough at 31 or 32. He is a very rare Indian bowler with good fielding skill as well. He can bowl at 142kph and also got a test century at Lords. By giving him good instructions on what his role in the team is, I beleive the Indian ODI team will reap rewards. He should be able to do the job what Robin Singh used to do.

  • atuljain1969 on September 7, 2011, 13:51 GMT

    Dhoni has suddenly turned into a villain, every action of his is not helping Indian team to win. But we all must realise that since the begining of this tour, everything has almost gone against India. Be it injury to Zaheer on very first day of Test, when India was in a commanding situation and later from the withdrawal of many frontline players. Any team which looses so many players consistently, has to change its strategy instantly. It also put the already decided strategy to dustbin. Indian Team has always been slow to adapt, so in hindsight we may give India a benefit of doubt of the results they are getting. On any other day, it may not happen consistently. However one thing we could observe very well, the bowlers have failed to maintain the desired line and length consistently, and their economy rate has been awful in this Tour. Which means either they are not upto the world standard or that the coach has failed to correct them and nobody is playing county cricket right now.

  • arvindthiru on September 7, 2011, 13:49 GMT

    I would suggest this team for the 3rd ODI Parthiv, Rahane, Dravid, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja,PK,Ashwin,Aaron, Munaf. Since the match is in oval, its going to be a good batting pitch, so we surely need bowlers who can bowl 10 overs each. If Kohli doesn't play well in this game replace him with Tiwary/Badri for the 4th ODI. Moreover with Oval being a good batting surface, they might even consider playing mishra in the place of Jadeja. Its high time Dhoni starts scoring.When an almost second string Indian-side can give the best England-side close finishes in the ODI series in England, there is nothing to panic here. This Indian side is still missing Sach, Sehw, Gamb, Yuv, Bhaj, Zak. What would England do without Cook, Trott, Bell,Morg, Swann, Anderson ? Indian ODI team is still doing well, not sure abou the future of test team though

  • on September 7, 2011, 13:43 GMT

    Lets face it this is so far removed from India's top team that it's not even funny. During the tests they were missing some players, but they still had enough of their best players. However now other than Raina, Dhoni, Kohli and maybe Praveen none of the Indian players would get into their strongest ODI XI. Even Dravid isn't a first choice ODI player now.

    This series now is no longer about the results for India, its about how young players like Patel, Rahane, Tiwary, Ashwin etc perform; its a great chance for them to show their potential. Dhoni should just tell the young lads to play without fear and entertain the crowds.

    This isn't Englands fault, they can only beat what is put in front of them; however a much bigger ODI test will be this winter when we go to India and face a team of Sehwag, Sachin, Gambhir, Kohli, Yurvaj, Raina, Dhoni, Harbajan, Kumar, Zaheer and Ishant. Win that series and ODI's against South Africa and we'll be a top ODI side and can aim for the next World Cup.

  • si47 on September 7, 2011, 13:36 GMT

    what happened to Irfan Pathan?

  • on September 7, 2011, 13:29 GMT

    INDIA IS COOKED ONCE AGAIN............. MISERABLE.. i thnk, Indians players can play cricket only in Sub Continents........ Eng Rocks!

  • TestIP on September 7, 2011, 13:19 GMT

    Where is Irfan Pathan? This guy was a way better bowler than there jokers who bowl pace as if it is spin....LOL! At those pace can these indian bowler even bowl out the Canadian Team? What a joke the indian selectors keep pushing the same loosers over and over. India bowling should be; Zaheer, Irfan, Ashish Nerha and develop 2 to 3 other bowlers with pace and swing....this line up will cost them....cannot defend a decent score...what a joke!

  • devulapalli on September 7, 2011, 13:18 GMT

    Fundamental flaw was in the strike bowling attack. They were gentle slow medium pacers with no variation and with the white ball not swinging, they were smashed around the park...What India needed was Sreekanth and Varun with first change of Praveen and Munaf. Ashwin with that attack in place and a few quick wickets would have been a lot more effective. It appears that Dhoni, Fletcher and Srikanth have lost their thinking caps in the English Channel and the 49 days have become their Waterloo.

  • SamRoy on September 7, 2011, 13:17 GMT

    After being hammered in the test series there is no point in worrying over the ODI series. Worst loss since Tendulkar was captain. Tendulkar at least lost badly against the third best team ever (after 80's WI and Bradman's invincibles). So now the team needs re-building. First, let Rohit, Virat and Rahane play test cricket for at least 10 matches at a stretch and rotate Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman for the fourth middle order batsman's slot. Secondly, forget about Yuvraj and Raina playing tests unless they can go and play Ranji trophy and score at least 4 hundreds in a single season.. Thirdly, identify your spinners for the future. Ojha is steady but needs to change his one-dimensionality. Try with Iqbal Abdulla. Ashwin needs to be tried in a few tests. We would love to have a quickish accurate leggie like Chandra or Kumble. Preserve Ishant and Pravin. I have finally given up on Sreesanth. So finally only two glaring problems remain. A third seamer and a fourth middle order batsman.

  • arunkumar_s6 on September 7, 2011, 13:17 GMT

    no one in this world will go with a attack like this.. no variety.. three seam bowlers (perhaps i maybe wrong in mentioning them as seam bowlers) bowling at same pace (not even pace), medium, same length.. Everyone likes to hit the ball out of the ground in shorter version game with this kind of pace. Maybe praveen has swing, but if it's not going to swing like it happened yesterday, then he will be taken on by the opposition. with over 100 billion people in a country, can't the selectors find at least 10 to 20 fast bowlers who can bowl more than 140 kmp to 145 kmp???? This is a real shame. A country which has a academy and training center for fast bowlers all over the globe was not able to produce even a single fast bowler. U can tell varun aron and umesh yadhav are there, but i haven't seen them bowling in international arena yet. I think they will be playing consistent matches after reducing their phase to 130 or 135. India is still hiding with that worldcup win. It's for sure.

  • NewYorkCricket on September 7, 2011, 13:16 GMT

    Triple the pay of bowlers in fast class and within the national team. That will be a start and will encourage more junior players to take bowling more seriously. Bowling, especially fast bowling, is one of the most stress activities in modern sport and should be compensated accordingly. Is BCCI listening?

  • ani_cric on September 7, 2011, 13:11 GMT

    India bowlers are good actors meaning doing Drama other than bowling (string @ batsman, throwing the ball on batsman when the batsman is well in the crease, showing frustration as though they are top class players).. with no talent if they just dance and show off.. Zaheer is lucky he is not playing else he will another good actor but cannot make any diiference..... i dont see difference between indain fast bowlers and spinners as they bowl at same pace .....STOP ACTNG AND START BOWLING

  • on September 7, 2011, 13:05 GMT

    well !!talking abt dhoni"s selection smtimes really surprises me,here he talk abt not having a genuine quice bowler dan What the hell VARUN AARON is dng there???i have seen in the past also that dhoni"s selection is biased... e"body knows his closeness with kumar,s raina,rp singh.......where kumar is performing very well(i dont see him as a future test bowler unless condition assists him,he is miliatry pace).....with ganguly we have seen a Captain who knows to get best out of the player...Dhoni never showed confidence on the likes of Yusuf Pathan,murli karthik(where the hell he is),irfan pathan(i m sure he must have done better than Raina in english conditons with bat even if we dont count his bowling prowess) umesh yadav(bowls continuosly above 140kph)..though mahi as a captain had more success than ganguly but it was ganguly who bulit that successfull team from whom later dhoni reap the awards..ganguly was knwn to pick the talent and backed thm even if he has 2 fight wid selectors

  • KK_Cricket on September 7, 2011, 12:52 GMT

    I still can't understand why is Ojha being ignored?? If Ashwin is not bowling well, why are we persisting with him? Ojha is playing for counties and selectors cant even notice his performance there? Why does Dhoni go to Ashwin in absence of Harbhajan?

  • vikram1705 on September 7, 2011, 12:37 GMT

    If indian pitches were competitive enough, Sehwag and Sachin would not have scored so many runs. On good pitches, slip codon is as far as they go. The BCCI should arrange a test series for India against the likes of Bangladesh and Zimbawe.

  • cricketizgood on September 7, 2011, 12:23 GMT

    Truly speaking, I am proud what Indian batsman have done. Parthiv, Raina, and Rahane were impressive. Playing against top class bowlers like Anderson, Broad, Swann, Bresnan can never be easy on any conditions. Especially when the key players like Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir, Youvraj out of the game the asking total was decent. But India lacked in defending that total and that is the area where England is superior than India. Bresnan, Broad, Samit Patel, Bopara give England depth with both bat and ball whereas India has no decent all rounder.

  • on September 7, 2011, 12:22 GMT

    Why the selection is poor from Indian side. 2nd ODI was a 20Twenty game. I can not blame Indian for their loss but they have to select Ishant Sharma, who is quick, better length and the advantage of hight can perform better than the shotre bowler who even can't bowled bouncers. The bouncer is the main threat from English bowler, why Indian do the same. Good Luck for the future and give life to Cricket Game.

  • mulreddy on September 7, 2011, 12:15 GMT

    Why guyz are balming bowling department, India was the No I team for amlost 18 months. They won the matched, by capturing 20 wickets in all the matches they won. They just didn't became No I just by batting powers. The main problem, now is with Dhoni. He was just lucky to lead the 10 brilliant players who made India No 1. Even, RP singh as a captain could have won the 2011 world cup. It's not Dhoni's talent, it's the team's talent that won us the world cup and really, he is a a batsman, without any technique, hate to see his batting.

  • on September 7, 2011, 12:13 GMT

    Whole series is lost because of bowlers. Y selectors are not much interested to send a specialist and experience bowlers who can bowl in england condition. U have agarkar as specialist and experience bowlers who played some cricket in england when india tour england in 2007. Selector should think about bowlers not about batmens. Selectors think about bowlers not batmens..

  • on September 7, 2011, 11:42 GMT

    i thing India was no 1 by chance bating line up yes but bowling line was poor apart fro zahir bhajii bowling on indian trac dilibretly maide for bhaji soon the old player go produce fast bowlertrach. Raman Pancholi

  • 2929paul on September 7, 2011, 11:29 GMT

    Surely this ODI was lost by India because of the DRS? Or some English umpiring conspiracy? Or perhaps England are just better than India? Fitter, stronger, better bowlers, better batters, better fielders, better prepared, more depth of talent. A team on the up against a team in decline. I can't wait to see what happens when they go to India. Let's face it, India didn't beat England in the World Cup and they are a better team now than they were then. If England win in India, what will the excuses be from the Indian captain, the BCCI and the fans on here?

  • on September 7, 2011, 11:21 GMT

    Aren' there any allrounders other than R.Jadeja in the domestic circuit???. Why aren' the selectors looking into this Indian Team is in dire need of an genuine allrounder for a long time now. We had Irfan for some time and after that Jadeja was the last allrounder we had seen and now body seems to bother looking for that vacant position. Selectors please wake up.

  • Sarthak1305 on September 7, 2011, 11:18 GMT

    @Tejas Pradhan: Are you kidding me pace more important than line and length??? Line and length are the basics of bowling pace gives the edge much like swing however any bowling coach would say aim for the top of off stump and if only "pace" was important shoaib akhtar and shaun tait would have had more wickets than wasim akram and glenn mcgrath. Having said that we do need a fast bowler who for the love of god can bowl some fiery yorkers and clock 85-90 mph maintaining his line and length

  • rko_rules on September 7, 2011, 11:00 GMT

    Come on guys, why everyone is asking for Varun Aaron??? You all know that DHONI IS PATHETIC CAPTAIN OF FAST BOWLERS. He will destroy Varun aaron's career by asking him to bowl at slower pace and concentrate on line and length. I have said this in my previous comments as well. He never encourages fast bowlers. He hates fast bowling and there is a fact, that in his long period of captaincy, he has not been able to give India a single world class fast bowler except his friend Praveen Kumar who is just a slow medium pacer. And English COMMENTATORS LOVE HIM BCOZ THEY KNOW THAT ENGLISH BATSMEN CAN DEAL WITH PRAVEEN VERY VERY EASILY.

  • HaaZ on September 7, 2011, 10:47 GMT

    @tiger Khan.. When you win the world cup and are considered to be world champions, you don`t say let them come to india we will throw them out of the ball park, you go to their home land and throw them out of the ball park, try to bare the loss, don`t give no excuses, just saying...

  • on September 7, 2011, 10:46 GMT

    Added to injury woes,none of Dhonis schemes have worked on this tour.He even got himself to bowl in the test series. Just give Varun Aaron an opportunity,get Jadeja back.However i wont be surprised if they dont get to play esp looking at Dhonis selection trend in the WC.

  • BoonBoom on September 7, 2011, 10:32 GMT

    @Tigerkhan... I agree with you. When Indai hosts England in October, they will have a chance to defeat England because the matches will be played on placid batting tracks where Indian batsmen will simply thrive. This proves one point that India is only good on batting friendly tracks in their own backyard (thats why they won the WC) and this is certainly not a characteristic of number one ranked team. Remember Australia and West Indies used to win matches under any conditions and on any tracks. Just accept the fact India is not as good as other teams!!

  • on September 7, 2011, 10:30 GMT

    Why have 3 bowlers bowling the same way , why not Varun , who at least would bowl faster, or a extra leg spinner may be.. Time for Indians to think out of the box, especially when Sehwag, Tendulkar, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Rohit, Bhajji and Zak are not around. I dont know if England will ever make 180+ in India if their current top 5 + top 2 bowlers are not in team, dont know if the mighty aussies or Windies would have done it either. The best Dhoni can do is try out the maximum number of players before Aussie trip.

  • ashish_gajjar on September 7, 2011, 10:23 GMT

    dhoni pls weak up and pls given chance to varun aaron

  • BifferSpice on September 7, 2011, 10:12 GMT

    if [insert bowler] had been picked, india would have won. i can't believe that [insert current bowler] has been picked. it's all the selectors fault. and dhoni. dhoni should have done something magical out there to somehow alter the entire match. also harbhajan singh being absent has hurt us, even though we were all calling for him to be dropped when he was playing, because we thought he was ineffective, but now realise he would have won us the series. and khan. oh khan would have got every englishman out every time. for 0. and tendulkar out for this series has hurt us so bad, cos you all saw the scintillating form he was in during the test series. it's the IPL, it's the weather. wait till you come to india. series outside india shouldn't count. england need to win in india to be considered number 1 side, even though we can't play outside india either. it's the pitches. you shouldn't be able to make pitches that suit bowlers, not when we haven't got any...

  • dariuscorny on September 7, 2011, 10:04 GMT

    who are we all?dhoni will not listen to us.he will continue with vinay kumar.i bet. even if he plays aaron as a kid he may get into pressure, immediately dhoni will ask him to bowl with line and length.i hv a question wat we hv got with line n length during all these yrs we hv only drawn series abroad.but that too nowdays seems to be a distant dream for us.i can predict they will turn aaron into a slow medium pacer even if he gets a chance.learn from pakistan they alwys encourage their bowlers to bowl fast as they can, no matter they leak runs but the moment they taste the blood they get mighty dangerous.thts the attitude we want. be ruthless dont wait for the batsmen to make mistakes just unsettle them with raw pace.varun if u get a chance no matter what is the situation please dont cmpromise on ur speed ever.this will encourage our spinners also to bowl out opposition team

  • ejsiddiqui on September 7, 2011, 9:53 GMT

    @tigerkhan If Veera and Tendla will wack England in India then it would prove another point i.e. Indians are lat track bullies.

  • on September 7, 2011, 9:45 GMT

    Luck is not going in indias way still plyrs batted well only bowlling is a problem.

  • serious-am-i on September 7, 2011, 9:44 GMT

    I still begin to wonder why was vinay picked ahead of RP singh who performed well in the 1st practice match (Limited overs). I agree he failed miserably in test matches but I strongly reckon he is a better ODI bowler than a test bowler and he would have created a different angle being an left-armer or at least Aron as he would bring up pace rather than kumble's bowling speed pacers we have at present. BCCI needs to groom in more youngsters - pacers let them play in counties in England or in Australia where they would be more prepared to increase pace and dimension rather than on the sluggish slow wickets in India where if bowlers like Steyn have it as a home ground would def. go down on pace, I have no doubt about that.

  • qscgyi11 on September 7, 2011, 9:35 GMT

    I just don't get it. PK has swing and control, Munaf has accuracy and bounce. What does Vinay Kumar has? There are 100 of lads in India who can go and bowl at same pace at vinay kumar does. Why they play him, I just don't get it. On the other hand, Mr. Dhoni says that pace is the answer... you have it in Varun Aroon, why not play him. Why not give him a chance instead of some ordinary bowler. Unleash him. If it comes good then great, other wise these bowlers are also not giving you much to smile. So nothing wrong in trying.

  • tigerkhan on September 7, 2011, 9:07 GMT

    well, let them come to India then we'll see all the English Dimensions...... When Veera and Tendla will wack them to all the corners of the ground and Zaheer & Bhajji will get them cheaply.

  • mlkt on September 7, 2011, 8:55 GMT

    probably dhoni will also join the injured list before the next odi....he is finding tough to answer the questions....so the easy way out is to get injured....probably tendulkar also did the same..

  • Naresh28 on September 7, 2011, 8:32 GMT

    Can anyone answer why Pakistan is able to unearth so many quick, strong bowlers at will. Come on BCCI WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ASPECT OF INDIAN CRICKET. There are no good emerging spinners after Kumble and Harbajan to talk about. England are so confident that they can chase down any total given to them. Cook actually boasted that they could have won the first as well.

  • BoonBoom on September 7, 2011, 8:17 GMT

    One-Dimensional Attack!!!! So you still think Indian attack has any dimension??? Unbelievable thinking....how much further hammering you need before you realise Indian attack has no dimension, nip or any ability to penetrate to any batting line-up?? India has always won matches thru powerful batting - never thru bowling!!!

  • dariuscorny on September 7, 2011, 8:12 GMT

    @tejas pradhan i fully endorse ur feelings and ideas that we must throw age old mentality of mantaining line and length.which has dented our bowling.i will say one thing now which i hv never said that dhoni must immediately stepdown not only he is out of form but also he's making fatal mistakes wen u hv players why u r admantely making such decisions like playing vinay,praveen,munaf together, each of them bowl at 70mph.dont understand why he is not picking aaron and encourage him bowl at 150kmph which he can do.this will give some tooth to the attack.im sure he wud be at times wayward can leak runs but stil willl pose threat in batsmen's mind.drop vinay bring in aaron give him exposer.in every match vinay played he was thrashed all over the ground.i mean batsmen are taking our bowlers for granted bcoz of this pace.this is pathetic time has come for us to change our mentality towrds fast bowling we need to adopt brutuality instead of line and lenghth

  • jagandhoni on September 7, 2011, 7:56 GMT

    Problem is 5 th bowling option and fast bowling...praveen,vinay and munaf all are bowling medium pace..Give a chance to fast bowler Varun Aroan and Ravindra Jadeja..Bowling Problems will solve atleast 50%....

  • on September 7, 2011, 7:35 GMT

    Dhoni give a chance to varun..so he can show his bowling ability ..all said about varun's speed around 145-150 km/hr. It is good thing out cricket..when rahane show his talent ...why varun not in team? Dhoni grow up.....

  • cricarnab on September 7, 2011, 7:29 GMT

    The time has come to give Varun Aaron a chance. I think here Indians can learn from Pakistan- they are not afraid to unleash raw pace in the match, even though it might at times be indisciplined. Pace, like Aaron's at least gives India one option of a possible game changer.

  • ste13 on September 7, 2011, 7:26 GMT

    very professional performance by England, but I would prefer to see more challenge from India. Come on, this tour has been disasterous anyway. Pls then give a chance to youngsters

  • MaruthuDelft on September 7, 2011, 7:21 GMT

    @Tejas Pradhan, Yes Mann You are spot on..Pace is the answer...intially we will loose but once the pace culture sets in we will churn out a few good bowlers.

  • on September 7, 2011, 6:57 GMT

    High time for india to think about next series. This series is gone and give time for youngsters like Ashwin, Aaron more time to understand and they are sharp enough than so called harbhajan singh and Co. (Sreesanth, Munaf Patel etc.) Believe in developing the players in extreme conditions and not in india. Never allow old useless players to play again in india and get five wickets or 100 runs and say we have come to form and then ignore youngsters like Aaron or Ashwin.

  • Tomtree on September 7, 2011, 6:55 GMT

    With respect, Venkat Krish (03:21), you say " In this case, England alowed India only one match and that too was partly washed out." I suspect that this is the itinerary that India chose for themselves, coming off the back of IPL and the tour of the West Indies. Had they learnt anything from England's pre-test preparations in Australia, they would have requested (and got) more warm up matches. However, that would have required compromising on IPL commitments....

  • mohsin9975 on September 7, 2011, 6:46 GMT

    India are nt missing any batsmen at all. Its d bowling. Its nt that we r missing a bowler d/t injury or bad selection. 188 was a gud score. I think india is only missing zaheer. And he is 33 nd is never a regular in the odi team. Bhajji is no better than ashwin. India dont really hav any pace bowler in the domestic circuit as well who we can say is international class. Vinay kumar is our best bowler in ranji trophy nd seriously he is gud for nothing wid that gentle pace. Dhoni has got d playing 11 wrong almost every game in this tour. How do u expect to win a game wid less than 4 bowlers? Even a score of 250 wudnt hav saved india wid that bowling. Bring jadeja in for tiwary nd aron for vinay. This is the best 11 out of the squad at present(even in the future). Having said that rahane has been superb as expected. Parthiv has been a surprise. Dhonis captaincy very passive

  • annys on September 7, 2011, 6:42 GMT

    India should play parthiv,rahane,kohli,dravid,dhoni,raina,jadeja,aswin,varun,rp,praveen in the same batting order.

    you need five bowlers for sure

    varun brings in pace lets not worry about his in experince

    rp brings in a different angle

    praveen i dont think we can keep him out

    aswin and jadeja will give good variety

  • ultimatewarrior on September 7, 2011, 6:34 GMT

    Very well said @Hotu Chainani, I am entirely agree with you hopes Indian selection committee will also hear you.....I believe India can still win the series with these given players and save the pride of themselves (whatever is left).....

  • awesome10 on September 7, 2011, 6:30 GMT

    India have never produced express fast bowlers and that is not the current requirement Mr. "Dhoni. We need bowlers who can take wickets on a consistent basis. After Kumble we have not been really able to get a genuine wicket taking bowler apart from Zaheer Khan.

  • madras_boy on September 7, 2011, 6:29 GMT

    This ODI was like a T20 game. Cannot be considered as a 50 Over game. Shld be considered as a DLT20 game (Duckworth Lewis T 20). While I can accept that their bowling is better, their batting is weak. Cook's wicket would have changed the game. Comeon India, make it 3-1 now. Pitch men in India - make sure to prepare the piches for the 5 ODI series in october favourable to India and England must go demoralised when they leave. Wanna see the repeat of Yuvi against Broad again !

  • on September 7, 2011, 6:29 GMT

    India should use the thumping they are receiving to try the young and the new. Dhoni should step down (isn't he "injured") and let Parthiv Patel keep and get a couple of others to show what they can do. If the youth can win a match or two, that can help identify who is mentally ready to play international cricket for India.

  • plingal on September 7, 2011, 6:26 GMT

    The biggest problem in my opinion plaguing Indian Cricket (Bowling) is the adulation/admiration showered on BATSMEN as opposed to BOWLERS. If you have a group of budding cricketers it is all too plain to see that most if not all are almost always budding BATSMEN. 20/20, one day cricket, feather bed pitches in the subcontinent have added to that. If bowlers are not inspired from the grass roots level (like how you see batsmen aspire to become a Sachin/ Dravid) then it is going to reflect in the Indian Team too. So along with all the other suggestions/opinions voiced by the author/other posters I think the board needs to find ways of making the other disciplines (not just batting) lucrative/admired. You see all these awards for most number of sixes/fours, fastest fifty etc. etc. for batsmen. Maybe there can be awards for most dot balls bowled, obviously most wickets, fastest ball bowled etc. per match .. these are small incentives that may help in the long run.

  • on September 7, 2011, 6:21 GMT

    Ojha is in England call him to the squad then form an 11 like this Parthiv,Rahane,Kohli,Thiwari,Raina,Dhoni,Jadeja,Ojha,Varun,Praveen,Munaf/RP sing.

  • ultimatewarrior on September 7, 2011, 6:17 GMT

    Why Dhoni giving preference to Ashwin over man in form or at least more suited to England Climate, Amit Mishra, only he knows or Coach knows....

  • shrastogi on September 7, 2011, 6:03 GMT

    Dhoni should bat up as there is not much use of 7th batsman in England in absence of fifth good part time bowler. Depending upon conditions if 4 pace bowlers are played then Jadeja should be fifth bowlers else two spinners should play. 187 was not match winning total but young India team is batting well. Its the bowling which has to deliver.

  • rsurya on September 7, 2011, 6:02 GMT

    @Kuttu_123. Superb ya....

  • on September 7, 2011, 5:38 GMT

    It is only bad luck to India. Team has played good undoubtedly.

    No doubt, Indian batting line up in ODI and 20-20 is good, but bowling part is very weak, compare to English side. Our bowlers didn't give any trouble to the opponent. It is much worrying. It is the high time that our selection committee has to think further to select fast, accuracy and consistent bowlers and quality spinners to the side

  • vpk23 on September 7, 2011, 5:31 GMT

    India has an history of benching the reserve players till the last moment or never. Get that young gun going quickly. Unleash the fast man. What are they waiting for. Another injury??..

  • on September 7, 2011, 5:08 GMT

    India jus need some quicks as Australia needs some big bats!! I feel Varun Aaron should be given a chanc to play, let him play the next three matches.. He ll brng the fire to the bowling attack like Dernbach dng for England.. BCCI should make a notice tat pacers are needed instead of some useless bowlrs.. We hav enough swing bowlrs bt no pacers who can reach upto 145.. The team should be Rahane, Patel, Dravid, Kohli, RainA, Dhoni, Jadeja/manoj, Praveen, Aswin, Munaf, Varon.. I would certainly say if Irfan can bowl with decent pace and line and if he improve his battng a bit.. he can be a good AllRounder.. Come on BCCI wake up and make the team build well.. Rahane is dng a grt job and he deserves to b a opener!!!

  • pcraju on September 7, 2011, 5:04 GMT

    @Hotu Chainani - Some of the suggestions you've made seems to be a working solution but not all..Bringing back RP singh or Mishra is not going to make great difference..Varun Aaron is one option that Dhoni hasnt tried which he shd try anway none of the bowlers are doing great..it is not about using which player..no player should do magic now...only Dhoni has to know how to use the players upto their potential...It is about creating pressure to the opposition and showing determination and aggression on the field..Dhoni is not an aggressive captain..he wins matches only if players click i guess..Ganguly would be better captain in such situations...Luck favoured Dhoni for such a long time...Keeping cool at times is good for the team..but not getting aggressive when requires is also not good..

  • Prakmca on September 7, 2011, 4:51 GMT

    If india had played Jadeja, England could have won the match by 20 overs...... While batting Jadeja bill bat with the excellent strike rate in limited overs match and all shorter version games......First of all no one knows why Jadeja was picked up....

    His strike rate in T20I is 80%... this itself clearly tell what he is capable of.....

  • on September 7, 2011, 4:36 GMT

    LOL, I don't get it, why are they not playing their fastest bowler Varun Aaron and yet complaining about lack of pace in their attack? That is just absurd.

  • on September 7, 2011, 4:31 GMT

    one dimensional attack? i think they dont have any attack.

  • on September 7, 2011, 4:30 GMT

    Give Jadeja and Aaron a game.., put vinay and tiwary at bench.., surely that's the best possible 11..in these circumstances

  • on September 7, 2011, 4:24 GMT

    Slow bowl is a surprise if you know bowl fast. Wonder what munaf, vinay and praveen were doing.

  • on September 7, 2011, 4:13 GMT

    Even if India hire Waqar or Wasim they still will not match up the bowling attack Pakistan have at them moment we have "genuine" quick fast bowlers who can swing the bowl as well. Shoaib Akhtar retired at the age of 36 even at that stage he was used to bowl 92 Kmph but your Indian bowlers hardly touch the mark of 85 Kmph. I am proud that we gave England tough time both in Test and One Dayers last summer even though our batting flopped.

  • on September 7, 2011, 3:44 GMT

    Wake up, Dhoni ! Hand over the gloves to Parthiv Patel and martial your resources from a close-in position. Bat up the order, and lead from the front. Patel and Rahane have settled into the opening slot, as has Dravid at one drop. You should be in next at 4. Kohli and Raina could follow you, in that order. You need to pay five bowlers. If Jadeja manages to come in, he can be the bowling all rounder. Brinng in Mishra, to replace Ashwin - who has been out of sorts. Give Varun Aaron a break, that will give your attack some teeth. Maintain Praveen Kumar as your swing specialist, and bring back RP Singh - who had some wickets in the warm up games. Technically, having played county cricket, he knows English conditions better than the other bowlers. All the best for the next ODI

  • on September 7, 2011, 3:42 GMT

    The only way India can be a better side is by shrugging of the attitude that 'line and length is more importance than pace'. This has destroyed many Indian Pace bowlers in the past and is the reason why we are in this situation.

  • on September 7, 2011, 3:33 GMT

    yes these medium fast bowlers dosnt make trouble English batsmen in these conditions india would find some genuine fast bowlers like Varun , Dinda , Umesh ,Mithun and in spin i think LADDA is gud option he spin much quicker den our other spiners

  • on September 7, 2011, 3:21 GMT

    If we do a serious post-mortem of what went wrong during this series, to my opinion these are the few things that went against India. The itinerary should hve been T20, ODI and finally TESTS. 1) When India tours England or Australia, they would have few county matches to get acclimatized to the condition before they play test matches. In this case, England alowed India only one match and that too was partly washed out. So India went into play without any practice on English conditions. England cleverly deprived India of this. 1) Failure of Very Very Special Laxman and SRT. Dhon's pathetic form both as a batsman as well as a keeper (if he had not dropped those many catches, England wouldn't have posted imposing scores). 3) Getting Raina to face short pitched deliveries in spite of his continuous failure against it is something Dhoni should answer public. If the itinerary was made like T20, ODI, counties and finally Test the result would not have been as pathetic as this.

  • 9ST9 on September 7, 2011, 3:13 GMT

    Sunil Gavaskar on commentary was smugly remarking that Dernbach being a specialist ODI bowler is being carted around the park poor 'SunnyG' must have been pretty thrilled by the batting effort - I think he probably ate his own words for a midnight snack.

  • on September 7, 2011, 3:08 GMT

    I think india won the odi world cup-2011 only with their brilliance in batting not with their hopeless bowling.It is sad for indian cricket that they are still depending on batting n openly saying that they were never good at bowling.How could one team win matches with out taking wickets in any form of the game. India's bowling is surely paceless,sparkless n at times looks like hollow when their regular bowlers were absent.I think in the remaining matches indian bowlers have to show the intent which is lacking in the series so far.

  • moko58 on September 7, 2011, 3:05 GMT

    This is exactly the reason some of us advocate 5 bowlers in the Indian team. The 11 runs made by Tiwari could have been made by Mishra . We need imagination now.

  • jsnaurvi on September 7, 2011, 2:59 GMT

    Why not selectors select pacers like MS Gony, Chahar... He ball fast and bounce on Indian wickets but no they will stick with Munaf and company... and many will suggest Irfan..

  • kuttu_143 on September 7, 2011, 2:58 GMT

    Dhoni's excuse is ''None of our fast bowlers are really genuinely quick'' than what Varu n Aaron is doing in the dressing room

  • Nerk on September 7, 2011, 2:55 GMT

    Why do Indian supporters keep arguing that England have to beat India in India to prove they are number one? When india were number one I don't remember too many of them saying they should beat Australia in Australia to prove it.

  • on September 7, 2011, 2:48 GMT

    Not enough 20/20 thats what cost them, only one game planned and then a 23 over game.... India should have sealed it as they have the IPL best training ground for cricket in the world...... yeah right!

  • on September 7, 2011, 2:41 GMT

    Please, stop making excuses Dhoni. We all know that all our bowlers are same and I know that you will bring on your good friend, R.P. Singh, in next one day in place of Vinay Kumar to show to the world that you tried to make this attack two-dimensional but not Varun Aroon who is with his express pace could have stopped the English batsman from charging down the wicket. Vinay Kumar is not the 1st choice bowler for even Kochi Tuskers in T20 so how come he is playing for India is a big puzzle. Wake up Dhoni or if you need rest then skip the Champions league at least so that you can show to the world that you are doing introspection and start making plan in that period to demolish this english side when they come to India in October.

  • IAS2009 on September 7, 2011, 2:39 GMT

    until a miracle happens India is going to go back winless, their batting depth was exposed in test series and bowling is not even county level standard. everyone in team will wondering when this nightmare tour will end, it is time now to bring young blood and give them more chance to play at high level, by winning world cup at home with friendly format will not make India a top team. World cup winning team of the past do not fold that easily with in same year of winning world cup.

  • Raju_Iyer on September 7, 2011, 2:30 GMT

    One game lost and out come the knives, eh? You don't become a World Cup winner and No.1 # Test side, besides winning ODiI series against the likes of Australia IN Australia without having a good bowling attack. Sure some key players are injred, but that does not mean the future is immensely dire or bleak. Have confidence in our champions, guys, for sure they will bounce back...

  • Longmemory on September 7, 2011, 2:29 GMT

    Any team that looks to Ravindra Jadeja for deliverance is doomed. The response to the columnist's question as to why he was not included in the original team is simple - he is mediocre in every aspect of the game. That's what its come to in India today - if you bat as badly as you bowl and field, bingo, you are an all-rounder. What's hurting Indian cricket is that our talent pool - notwithstanding all the 6's hit in the IPL and all the wins at home and runs scored on our tracks - is really very shallow and gets mercilessly exposed whenever we run into quality opponents away from home.

  • samonly007200 on September 7, 2011, 2:28 GMT

    India needs a bowling coach for sure...!!!! Get some one from SA to coach... Need change of mind and statergy... If you cannot produce someone to bowl at150, then develop your bowlers to bowl with common sense. And for god sake bring back Irfan Pathan

  • on September 7, 2011, 2:24 GMT

    1. I agree with CRICK3TCR4ZY Vinay Kumar is bowling like he just playing to give the gift of runs to england batsman. Varun has the pace and he can hurried the batsman. 2. Dhoni should promote himself in the bating order so he can take time to settle and make much awaited big score for hisself.

  • Indunil76Shantha on September 7, 2011, 2:22 GMT

    This Indian team doesn't look like they want to win something. Many feels Dhoni should have been rested for the ODI's and the whole team could have change with some young players who didn't taste the 4-0 of Test bitterment. That could have had a change in approach. and sometimes it works. A young team led by Kholi could have put a better fight than this. "Coz they simply want to prove a point if they were given a chance, mark my word they have enough young players to match that task. Anyway, Congrats to England. How many more ? :)

  • CricketChat on September 7, 2011, 2:17 GMT

    Vinay doesn't belong at int. level. Ind should play 5 specialist bowlers and 6 batsmen. Bowlers shouldn't be sacrificed to cover up batting failures. Can't believe the Ind coach has been silent thus far leaving MSD to face the music.

  • Meety on September 7, 2011, 1:54 GMT

    Would of expected more from Praveen Kumar, but whilst this is a 2nd grade XI playing, I would of expected a bit more of the bowlers on display.

  • on September 7, 2011, 1:49 GMT

    Indian are really lack of fast balers and meantime England should go to subcontinent and win the test/ODI series to prove it to world then we can agree that England is a best side, i hope they should go long way.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on September 7, 2011, 1:39 GMT

    Bowlers and Dhoni cost us a match once again. Same story the whole series. Dhoni, please get out of the Indian Team.

  • landl47 on September 7, 2011, 1:37 GMT

    I have to say, if India are pinning their hopes on Jadeja to perform a miraculous transformation in the Indian bowling, they are desperate indeed. He's a very average spinner and including him means one of the batsmen has to be dropped. Since all the batsmen have produced at least one decent innings in the 3 short-format games so far, who is it to be? And that makes India's tail, which hasn't wagged so far, even longer, since Jadeja can't be counted as a specialist batsman either. It would be good to see the young quick bowler, Varun Aaron, given a go, though; Vinay Kumar hasn't really looked the part in any of the games he's played.

  • citizenkc on September 7, 2011, 1:36 GMT

    India cannot possibly win a match of any kind with this bowling lineup. Our inadequacy in this area has been hopelessly exposed on this tour. Zaheer and Harbhajan have a couple of years left at best. Praveen is already working too hard and Sharma's body is breaking down. The future is immensely dire. I don't see any prospects for the future. Maybe we can win a few ODIs and T20s because of our batting strength, but I don't see how India is going to take 20 wickets in the near future.

  • CRICK3TCR4ZY on September 7, 2011, 1:31 GMT

    I think its time for India to drop Vinay Kumar and include Varun Aaron in the playin XI. He is a genuine fast bowler who relies on speed and I think can be a very good ally of Kumar as an opening bowler. Not only Vinay Kumar has struggled but looked ineffective and never looked like taking any wicket at all.

  • KrazyCricketKid on September 7, 2011, 1:21 GMT

    Varun Aaron should play the remaining games

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  • KrazyCricketKid on September 7, 2011, 1:21 GMT

    Varun Aaron should play the remaining games

  • CRICK3TCR4ZY on September 7, 2011, 1:31 GMT

    I think its time for India to drop Vinay Kumar and include Varun Aaron in the playin XI. He is a genuine fast bowler who relies on speed and I think can be a very good ally of Kumar as an opening bowler. Not only Vinay Kumar has struggled but looked ineffective and never looked like taking any wicket at all.

  • citizenkc on September 7, 2011, 1:36 GMT

    India cannot possibly win a match of any kind with this bowling lineup. Our inadequacy in this area has been hopelessly exposed on this tour. Zaheer and Harbhajan have a couple of years left at best. Praveen is already working too hard and Sharma's body is breaking down. The future is immensely dire. I don't see any prospects for the future. Maybe we can win a few ODIs and T20s because of our batting strength, but I don't see how India is going to take 20 wickets in the near future.

  • landl47 on September 7, 2011, 1:37 GMT

    I have to say, if India are pinning their hopes on Jadeja to perform a miraculous transformation in the Indian bowling, they are desperate indeed. He's a very average spinner and including him means one of the batsmen has to be dropped. Since all the batsmen have produced at least one decent innings in the 3 short-format games so far, who is it to be? And that makes India's tail, which hasn't wagged so far, even longer, since Jadeja can't be counted as a specialist batsman either. It would be good to see the young quick bowler, Varun Aaron, given a go, though; Vinay Kumar hasn't really looked the part in any of the games he's played.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on September 7, 2011, 1:39 GMT

    Bowlers and Dhoni cost us a match once again. Same story the whole series. Dhoni, please get out of the Indian Team.

  • on September 7, 2011, 1:49 GMT

    Indian are really lack of fast balers and meantime England should go to subcontinent and win the test/ODI series to prove it to world then we can agree that England is a best side, i hope they should go long way.

  • Meety on September 7, 2011, 1:54 GMT

    Would of expected more from Praveen Kumar, but whilst this is a 2nd grade XI playing, I would of expected a bit more of the bowlers on display.

  • CricketChat on September 7, 2011, 2:17 GMT

    Vinay doesn't belong at int. level. Ind should play 5 specialist bowlers and 6 batsmen. Bowlers shouldn't be sacrificed to cover up batting failures. Can't believe the Ind coach has been silent thus far leaving MSD to face the music.

  • Indunil76Shantha on September 7, 2011, 2:22 GMT

    This Indian team doesn't look like they want to win something. Many feels Dhoni should have been rested for the ODI's and the whole team could have change with some young players who didn't taste the 4-0 of Test bitterment. That could have had a change in approach. and sometimes it works. A young team led by Kholi could have put a better fight than this. "Coz they simply want to prove a point if they were given a chance, mark my word they have enough young players to match that task. Anyway, Congrats to England. How many more ? :)

  • on September 7, 2011, 2:24 GMT

    1. I agree with CRICK3TCR4ZY Vinay Kumar is bowling like he just playing to give the gift of runs to england batsman. Varun has the pace and he can hurried the batsman. 2. Dhoni should promote himself in the bating order so he can take time to settle and make much awaited big score for hisself.