England's Pietersen dilemma August 21, 2012

IPL 'catalyst' in Pietersen controversy - Flower

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Andy Flower, the England team director, has defended England's handling of Kevin Pietersen and suggested that the player's desire to appear in a whole season of the IPL proved to be the catalyst that destabilised his relationship with his team-mates and the ECB.

Flower, speaking for the first time since Pietersen was omitted from the final Test against South Africa, admitted that batsman may never play for England again, but insisted that the team could retain their No.1 Test ranking even without the man many consider to be their best player. Flower also joined those calling for a window in the international schedule for the IPL, though he conceded there was little realistic hope of that at present.

"I think it's fair to say that Kevin's issues over being available for the entire IPL have changed his attitude," Flower said. "I think that was the catalyst for a lot of the stuff.

"The IPL and the international fixtures in England are an area of conflict. And it will continue to be an area of conflict in the future. It would be better if there was a very clear window prior to our international season starting. But it doesn't look like that is an issue that is going to be sorted out in the future so it may well recur."

Flower did accept responsibility for some failures of man management within the England set up, but insisted that Pietersen was guilty of far more serious errors of judgement.

"You are questioning whether he has been managed properly," Flower said. "I suppose it's fair to ask that question. I think that's what we've been doing over the years. There are certain behaviours that are unacceptable and I think we've seen some of that just recently. So to move forward we must get over those hurdles.

"If you are asking if we take some responsibility for it I'm quite happy to take responsibility for a number of issues if that is the case. I don't think text messages from an England player to South African players with some of the content I've heard that is in them is my responsibility.

"I think one issue that I could have handled better is when I heard that some of the players were occasionally looking at that Twitter account that had been set up by some England supporter, or Nottingham supporter. I could have nipped that in the bud earlier.

"But let's just be perfectly clear on the severity of the situation. There is one thing a few players having a giggle at a Twitter account, there is another on some of the issues that we have seen rear their heads over the last two weeks. It is not just about the text messages, there are other issues to be resolved."

Flower confirmed that the ECB had approached officials with the South Africa touring team with a view to being shown the text messages Pietersen sent to their players that are alleged to have contained derogatory comments about England captain Andrew Strauss, but insisted the issue extended deeper than a mere spat between two senior players.

"The issue is not specifically between the captain and Pietersen," Flower said. "There are a number of unresolved issues and it would be inaccurate to judge it as just an issue between those two.

"At this juncture there's no meeting in the diary. We've just finished this Test match. I understand some people would like this resolved overnight, but I don't think it is something that can be resolved overnight if we want to go about it properly. There are a number of outstanding issues to be resolved. An example of that would be finding out exactly what these text messages contained if we do really want to move forward either way.

"I think face to face and man to man, where you can look people in the eye, is always the best way to resolve most issues. I think these things should remain private. I don't think they should be played out in the media so leaking information, using PR agencies etc to resolve this issue is not the correct way to go about it.

"I'm not sure of exactly the best way to investigate it, to be honest. We've tried to focus on playing cricket leading up to this Test match which is how this Test series should have been. It's really sad for everyone involved the focus wasn't on playing cricket here."

Flower was quite clear that Pietersen's current apology - either the YouTube video or the letter sent through his management company - was inadequate and did not constitute a resolution to the situation. He also hinted that it was hard to see the issue being resolved before central contracts are offered to players, which is likely to happen before the team departs for the World Twenty20 in Sri Lanka in mid-September. That suggests Pietersen may well not be considered for England's tour of India. He confirmed that Pietersen would not be offered a central contract until the issues were resolved.

"He sent an apology via his agent to the ECB," Flower said. "If you are going to move on from situations such as this you need to know exactly what situation you are moving on from. So I think we need to get to the bottom of some of this speculation and rumours before we move on.

"Regardless of central contracts, I wouldn't like to put a time frame on it because that might unrealistic. To resolve certain issues of trust and mutual respect, it might take longer than that. I would rather not speculate [on whether Pietersen may have played his last game for England]. But he was speculating on it during the Test series, so there is a chance I suppose.

England's one-day side has shown it can flourish in the absence of Pietersen with Ian Bell slotting into the openers' role, while Alex Hales made 99 in the Twenty20 against West Indies. Flower believes that, if the situation is not resolved, the Test team can move back to the top of the rankings without Pietersen.

"Without a doubt," he said. "English cricket has a great history and it has a great future. It is bigger than any one player. You will always move on from anyone, whether it be a captain, a coach or a player. I think the most important thing is that we do the right thing for England cricket. That's how we will make our decision.

"We try to make decisions that are in the best interests of the England cricket team or English cricket. That is what I've tried to do since I joined this team and that's what I will continue to do."

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • YorkshirePudding on August 23, 2012, 12:46 GMT

    The IPL is the IPL, and as people have pointed out its not exactly big in the UK, except among the Indian Expat community, in short we're not really tat interested in the IPL, T20 as a concept was implemented to give the counties in England a bit of an income boost as a game can be played after work, in the long run its a hit and giggle form of the game, the fact that the BBL was looking to emply Olympic Sprinters shows the grade of cricket that T20 is pitched at.

  • on August 23, 2012, 12:16 GMT

    @Ian Burnett: some body isn't thinking like that,s buddy that's problem

  • on August 23, 2012, 10:19 GMT

    @Ankur Singh: It's not that England fans don't like the IPL per se (why should we ?) - it's because it's impossible for fans here to have any affinity with city franchises in games played on the other side of the world. It applies to the BBL and any of the other T20 tournaments around the world. So matches played in all these tournaments mean little here. As matches played here in England mean little to people in India, australia, SA etc.

  • on August 23, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    @Venki_indian: Wasn't aware I was blaming India for anything in any of my posts ! You lot are so touchy aren't you ?

  • on August 23, 2012, 0:57 GMT

    IPL IPL IPL hahahaha...England Fans dont like IPL, ENGLAND coach doesnt like IPL...and ENG players dont like IPL..but I bet ENG coach will be coaching IPL team in future...ENG players will be playing in IPL in future !! and more funny and interesting fact ...these people are discussing about IPL more than the Indian Fans... !!

  • phoenixsteve on August 23, 2012, 0:20 GMT

    @The_Bowlers_Holding..... You are of course ABSOLUTELY right about why England lost to SA and pakistan. No excuses - they're batting was rubbish! And by the way... the_batsman's_Willey. COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • on August 23, 2012, 0:17 GMT

    @the_bowlers_holding .. I love this game !! and I will comment or follow any link related to any team !!!

  • StatisticsRocks on August 22, 2012, 20:09 GMT

    @premclement: Good point.7 SA players who played in the recent test series against ENG played in IPL. Now is anyone giving credit to IPL for their teams success NO, so why blame IPL for a team or a persons failure?

  • The_bowlers_Holding on August 22, 2012, 19:56 GMT

    Kapil Chetri- and it would be really nice if you stopped commenting on English links. As I said previously I cannot see KP playing for England in any format in the forseeable future, if you look at posts most England fans realise this is the only possible outcome given the nature of what's gone on and the need to maintain team spirit. Those Aussie and SA posters generally agree the only people who are for some reason are incensed are followers of the IPL, I have seen the IPL once and found it silly and inane-however I do not go on links about it deriding it as frankly it is of no interest to me and non of my business. I wish people could just concentrate on their own teams. ps England lost to Pakistan and SA because the opposition plyed better cricket, no excuse about players out etc.

  • AdrianVanDenStael on August 22, 2012, 19:35 GMT

    @Munafbhai: 1, "England team never managed to win a single world trophy in last 5 decades till KP came along". Well one could equally well say that "England team" never managed to win a global trophy in the last 5 decades before Ryan Sidebottom came along, or, for that matter, Paul Collingwood, Craig Kieswetter, Stuart Broad, etc, came along, so I don't think that argument takes us far. 2, "For that matter it was KP's flair which leadt to the two sole ashes victory in ages". In fact England have not won "two sole ashes victory in ages", but 3 victories in the last four series. In one of the two most recent such victories KP hardly played because of an Achilles injury, in the most recent he was nowhere near the top of the batting averages, and in the other he was top of the dropped catches league. I think Pietersen a fine player, but anyone who thinks he is the "sole" reason for any recent England success is not a very close watcher of the game.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 23, 2012, 12:46 GMT

    The IPL is the IPL, and as people have pointed out its not exactly big in the UK, except among the Indian Expat community, in short we're not really tat interested in the IPL, T20 as a concept was implemented to give the counties in England a bit of an income boost as a game can be played after work, in the long run its a hit and giggle form of the game, the fact that the BBL was looking to emply Olympic Sprinters shows the grade of cricket that T20 is pitched at.

  • on August 23, 2012, 12:16 GMT

    @Ian Burnett: some body isn't thinking like that,s buddy that's problem

  • on August 23, 2012, 10:19 GMT

    @Ankur Singh: It's not that England fans don't like the IPL per se (why should we ?) - it's because it's impossible for fans here to have any affinity with city franchises in games played on the other side of the world. It applies to the BBL and any of the other T20 tournaments around the world. So matches played in all these tournaments mean little here. As matches played here in England mean little to people in India, australia, SA etc.

  • on August 23, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    @Venki_indian: Wasn't aware I was blaming India for anything in any of my posts ! You lot are so touchy aren't you ?

  • on August 23, 2012, 0:57 GMT

    IPL IPL IPL hahahaha...England Fans dont like IPL, ENGLAND coach doesnt like IPL...and ENG players dont like IPL..but I bet ENG coach will be coaching IPL team in future...ENG players will be playing in IPL in future !! and more funny and interesting fact ...these people are discussing about IPL more than the Indian Fans... !!

  • phoenixsteve on August 23, 2012, 0:20 GMT

    @The_Bowlers_Holding..... You are of course ABSOLUTELY right about why England lost to SA and pakistan. No excuses - they're batting was rubbish! And by the way... the_batsman's_Willey. COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • on August 23, 2012, 0:17 GMT

    @the_bowlers_holding .. I love this game !! and I will comment or follow any link related to any team !!!

  • StatisticsRocks on August 22, 2012, 20:09 GMT

    @premclement: Good point.7 SA players who played in the recent test series against ENG played in IPL. Now is anyone giving credit to IPL for their teams success NO, so why blame IPL for a team or a persons failure?

  • The_bowlers_Holding on August 22, 2012, 19:56 GMT

    Kapil Chetri- and it would be really nice if you stopped commenting on English links. As I said previously I cannot see KP playing for England in any format in the forseeable future, if you look at posts most England fans realise this is the only possible outcome given the nature of what's gone on and the need to maintain team spirit. Those Aussie and SA posters generally agree the only people who are for some reason are incensed are followers of the IPL, I have seen the IPL once and found it silly and inane-however I do not go on links about it deriding it as frankly it is of no interest to me and non of my business. I wish people could just concentrate on their own teams. ps England lost to Pakistan and SA because the opposition plyed better cricket, no excuse about players out etc.

  • AdrianVanDenStael on August 22, 2012, 19:35 GMT

    @Munafbhai: 1, "England team never managed to win a single world trophy in last 5 decades till KP came along". Well one could equally well say that "England team" never managed to win a global trophy in the last 5 decades before Ryan Sidebottom came along, or, for that matter, Paul Collingwood, Craig Kieswetter, Stuart Broad, etc, came along, so I don't think that argument takes us far. 2, "For that matter it was KP's flair which leadt to the two sole ashes victory in ages". In fact England have not won "two sole ashes victory in ages", but 3 victories in the last four series. In one of the two most recent such victories KP hardly played because of an Achilles injury, in the most recent he was nowhere near the top of the batting averages, and in the other he was top of the dropped catches league. I think Pietersen a fine player, but anyone who thinks he is the "sole" reason for any recent England success is not a very close watcher of the game.

  • bumsonseats on August 22, 2012, 19:28 GMT

    now warne having his sixpence worth. warne could give KP a few tips on sending texts.

  • premclement on August 22, 2012, 18:54 GMT

    Come on don't be a daft and blame IPL whether it is about KP or England's team debacle. Have you not noticed the number of SA players play in IPL? I guess more than half of them play in IPL (Kallis, Smith, M&A Morkel, De villers, Steyn, Kallis, Dumminy). If they can do well for the nation and also in IPL, I do not understand the attitude of ECB and their players.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 22, 2012, 18:53 GMT

    @Munafbhai, actually its 3 ashes victories in the last 4 series, and as much as KP would like to claim credit for 2005, he dropped at least 5 sitters, and it was mainly the bowling unit and tactics of Fletcher and Vaughan that secured that victory. In the 2009 series he played 2 tests and then had to go have an operation on his achillies, that he injured in the IPL, in 2010/11, it was mainly cook that secured the victory with almost 1000 runs in 7 innings, along with some excellent bowling from anderson, Tremlett, and Bresnan. But dont let facts get in the way.....

  • the_blue_android on August 22, 2012, 18:02 GMT

    @ Neutral_Guy - What is SLPL? Just kidding!

  • JustCrik on August 22, 2012, 17:26 GMT

    Another article to suggest that ECB needs "Yes People" and not Performers...Its either ECB's way or Highway...Which is utterly rediculous...: We try to make decisions that are in the best interests of the England cricket team : so ready to loose number 1 at the cost of thier ego was decision in that direction.. :-)

  • StatisticsRocks on August 22, 2012, 16:53 GMT

    @lxq_ikrana: Honestly I am not aware as to why Flower cannot go back to ZIM. But that was not my point anyway. All I was trying to say everyone is in it for money and KP is whole heartedly expressing his wish to earn more money by playing a full season of IPL, which frankly to me is not acceptable as I would put country first any day. ECB could have easily said no to ENG players playing in IPL and be done with it. Pl dont point fingers towards IPL and it is KP who is to be blamed and not IPL as KP is the one who wants to not play for his country. IPL will go on with or w/o KP. Further I dont even agree to setting aside a separate window for IPL. If at all ICC does agree to that then it is impossible to find such a window in a given year as it always summer somewhere and there is a test match series going on throughout the year.

  • stumpedlloyd on August 22, 2012, 16:36 GMT

    @nattuz: Strauss does not have a problem with inswingers, he has a problem with straight deliveries! He shouldered arms to a straight one at Lord's. Asked how he deals with straight balls, Strauss replied, "I can take 'em or leave 'em."

  • MunafAhmed811 on August 22, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    ENgland team never managed to win a single world trophy in last 5 decades till KP came along. For that matter it was KP's flair which leadt to the two sole ashes victory in ages. The sole reason is his attacking batting style which the original English battersfrom Hussian ,Artherton to Strauss could never match. As a result of KP's batting style he was given $1m by RCB for IPL. Other English players who did get IPL offers were either SA, Ind, Pak, SL origin players. This resulted in IPL bieng branded as pyjama cricket , a clear case of sour grapes by English players who sucked at T20 .The only players who got IPL contracts ( Ravi, KP, Owais) were eventually harrased by ECB and Swann, Broad and others out of sheer jealousy. Ravi and Owais kept quite but KP's fiery personality did not let him keep quiet against the gross injustice. ECB are simply jealous that BCCI took T20 to a money making machine format the ECB could not could never and thus ECB is insirectly acting funny towards KP

  • lxq_ikrana on August 22, 2012, 15:57 GMT

    IndnCrktfan, I doubt you have the slightest idea what Flower has done for Zimbabwe, and why he cannot go back there (yet). Flower may come across as too unyielding, but to raise questions about his stature as a player or as a person is ridiculous.

  • nattuz on August 22, 2012, 15:46 GMT

    KP is eccentric at times but is surely world class!! he can bat on any wicket against any bowling and still manage to score decently. he is the only among the current lot of english batsman who is capable of getting to 40 centuries and above. he might have a problem with the short ball but so are cook and strauss with inswingers and trott with the swinging ball. kp is the only player like sehwag and gayle who can take the match away from the opposition in a matter of ten overs. also he has the patience to grind out on sub-continental conditions. if ecb decide that england would tour india without him , all once can say is best of luck to the english team!!

  • njr1330 on August 22, 2012, 15:45 GMT

    Isn't a conversation between two people, whether by voice or text or however, private between those two people, and nobody else'e business.

  • amanroy on August 22, 2012, 15:44 GMT

    What is all this fuss about IPL? Move on. Don't blame IPL for everything. KP, you can be the part of Indian team. We will warmly welcome you :)

  • on August 22, 2012, 15:34 GMT

    Kevin Pietersen should be offered permanent Indian Residency by Govt. of India under a Highly Skilled Migrant Programme and should be selected by BCCI to play for India for the upcoming T20 World Cup...Its a shame you will not be there KP and its not entirely your fault.Hell....its not even half your fault

  • on August 22, 2012, 15:27 GMT

    @ian Burnett: I like it when u say that IPL means nothing to you and an english cricket coach saying that you lost an English player to IPL.... Hahaha...what a joke.. I completely understand that IPL means nothing to you.... But as we don't discuss about county cricket, it would be really nice if you plz stop discussing about IPL.

  • phoenixsteve on August 22, 2012, 15:02 GMT

    All this talk of IPlL and it getting the blame? Why worry? It'll just take a few more seasons of T20 before even the Indian fans seek something more wholesome, satisfying and meaningful! As bad as England played the test series was agreat advertisement for the game. T20 is like the diner who discovers fast food and can't get enough - at first. Eventually with enough 'fast food' a more wholesome and cultured fayre is sought. Test cicket has been around a long time and will be around for even longer. I'm not so sure about IPL which has already bored this cricket fan! It just takes Indian cricket fans a while to 'eat their fill' of T20. Cricket is and should always be a great refection of life. If nothing else the Indian fans understand this?

  • allblue on August 22, 2012, 14:55 GMT

    @RogerC You're incorrect on several counts. All players in the EPL (or any other league) are released to play all internationals as this is a FIFA regulation. If the ICC had the same policy none of this conflict would exist. Secondly, the IPL is not based on the EPL at all. The league is no more than a financial re-arrangement and marketing exercise for English football, the whole four division league is still 92 clubs with promotion and relegation between the divisions as it has been for over 70 years, and with fewer clubs since its inception in 1888. The IPL is a franchise system, which was directly lifted from US (gridiron) football, so it is a different Anglo-Saxon model that influenced Lalit Modi.

  • phoenixsteve on August 22, 2012, 14:52 GMT

    Having read the article and hearing the Andy Flower side of things, one thought crossed my mind? "English cricket has agreat history and a great future it is bigger than any one.....": manager/captain. As England team manager Flower has to accept much of the blame for the underperforming England team? Team vs team I don't think there's much to chose between these sides? If Struass had played like Smith (he can) or Bell like Amla (he can) or Trott like Kallis (he can) it would all be very different! Ifs and buts I know.... but the England batters were in very poor form. Form is cyclical and it'll be interesting to see how SA cope with the number 1 spot? For now at least they richly deserve it and they are the new Kings of test cricket! Well done to them but COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • PPD123 on August 22, 2012, 14:44 GMT

    Well Pietersen is 32, he realises that he has a shelf life of another 3-4 years max, he is trying to maximize his returns/earning during this time and I for one would not blame him... he wants to secure his future... how can you blame him for that. The Eng top order (read Strauss, Cook & Trott) wont stand a chance in any T20 team, forget IPL.. so they are happy to toe the line of what ECB has to says... ECB is being foolish... u dont lose once in a generation player like Pietersen to some farce like this. True, Peitersen is not an easy bloke to handle, but that why the huge support staff and managers are there with the team. To precisely help the captain handle these characters... All said, I think the scar is too deep now and they will never be able to patch this up again... can you imagine Strauss and Pietersen in a partnership trying to save/win a match for Eng in the future...however professional u want to be at the end of the day u are human.. sadly a great talent will be lost....

  • Long-Leg on August 22, 2012, 14:41 GMT

    @devenmakesar: This is not about race or nationality. Britain is a hugely multicultural, multi ethnic country and the make up of its national cricket team reflects that diversity. Had Cooke or Anderson or anyone else been guilty of the same misdemeanors then they would have been treated the same way. Look how Flintoff was stripped of the vice captaincy and dropped after the pedalo incident in 2007. No, this is about the ego, greed and betrayal of one member of a team and in my opinion the ECB have handled the situation firmly and fairly.

  • FitzroyMarsupial on August 22, 2012, 14:39 GMT

    Players need to be careful what they wish for - IPL provides extra cash for loads of intl players at present precisely because there is no window. If there was a window - teams would have, say, 6 intl players of top class rather than 9-10 of mixed ability (no more pay days for Mascarenhas, Theron and Abdulla!)

    I understand that it annoys KP that there will be Kiwis playing IPL rather than touring Eng, but ECB made their position clear (as they are entitled to do) and they are contractually obliged to play the games. If he doesn't like it - don't sign the central contract.

    That said I agree entirely with @stumpedlloyd - there surely was a better way to deal with this. Flower is correct - deal with it behind closed doors - but KP called it right (amongst so much he has got wrong) when asking why details of his negotiations with the ECB have been consistently leaked (as of course was his infamous email about Peter Moores). Inconsistency is the death of management.

  • Jim1207 on August 22, 2012, 14:30 GMT

    @Ian Burnett, and others who call IPL as domestic tournament: Even though it's called domestic, every coutnry earns money through IPL. How? so all boards want money from IPL - an Indian domestic tournament - but they won't appreciate it to next level, at least a middle level above all other dometic. So whose mistake is it? India, being the golden duck, is willing to share the profits with many countries, but it would not be given an international status plus all the fans around the world would call India as destroying the world while their own countries would milk India's money and fill their banks. Doesn't make sense for me. Domestic Tournament, anyone?

  • Venki_indian on August 22, 2012, 14:21 GMT

    @Ian Burnett yes sir..Duncan Fletcher coaching india for money, Flower also coaching india for money..dont blame BCCI or IPL for your own problems.

  • BnH1985Fan on August 22, 2012, 14:20 GMT

    IPL is not THE cause of the problems. It is KP's committment to IPL, which caused him to stay away from domestic cricket in England, which seems to be the issue for Flower. Somewhere South Africans are thanking their starts that KP decided to play for England rather than SA! KP has had a big role in SA winning the last test to become #1!!!!

  • bumsonseats on August 22, 2012, 14:12 GMT

    swingit well said i could not agree with you more. whatevers said its a english thing so let us sort it out.

  • bumsonseats on August 22, 2012, 14:06 GMT

    its an english thing that those who run english cricket will sort it out. i take heed of the English supporters who write on here be they for or against KP more so than other who just add their 4 penny worth. KP i hope we have heard the last of him at least maybe, the last i will see of him as an english player. i just got fed up with him.the guy who said he would make a great ambassador to the game has got to be joking. what happens to him next does he live in the uk i doubt it as english supporters will have long memories of letting his team down i know i will. can any county afford him, i doubt that also. so i would think he will travels the world making loads of money on meaningless T20 and retire at 40 odd and go live in australia.

  • madras_boy on August 22, 2012, 14:03 GMT

    Lot of English players applied for the auction to play in IPL. Unfortunately a select few (Talented Cricketers !) got selected to play in various franchises. They were selected knowing well that they wont be available for the full season. Ofcourse, KP is one among them. ECB has set an eye/target on the 8th position in ICC rankings now !!! Watching England play without KP is pathetic and i feel sympathy for English cricket. ECB should resolve the conflict as soon as possible for the betterment of the English cricket.

  • zoot on August 22, 2012, 14:02 GMT

    @stumpedlloyd

    If you remember those days then you will remember how much "respect" Boycott had for his playing colleagues. There will always be personality clashes and rivalries between players.

    @oldmanofsea

    The BBL and SLPL cannot compete with the IPL in terms of revenue and viewers. The answer is not to simply pretend that it's not happening. The cricket boards will have to learn to coexist with whatever develops. It is not fair to the players to deny them the opportunity of earning a lot of money and of becoming more famous. Professional cricket at international level can be a very short career.

  • on August 22, 2012, 14:01 GMT

    @RogerC: Not clear what you mean by "...EPL soccer where all international players are expected to play ignoring their national duties" ? International footballers must be released by their clubs if called up by their country and the EPL certainly do release players throughout the season. for example, in January several players will be released for the African Cup of Nations.

  • cloudmess on August 22, 2012, 13:56 GMT

    I have a feeling that in 2 or 3 years' time the general consensus will be that the ECB - and Andy Flower - could have handled their star player a lot better. I also fear that this could be the beginning of the end for the Flower reign. Success can often lead to instransigent, inflexibile thinking. It is what brings down many a regime. Did English cricket really benefit when Gooch and Micky Stewart were ostracising Gower in 1992? Or when in 2006 Fletcher was marginalising Panesar and any cricketer not part of his 2005 Ashes side? KP was out of order with his texts, but it was a heat of the moment mistake from an emotionally driven man. He should serve a fixed punishment and then be quickly reinstated. Flower and Strauss have to consider English cricket before their own ruffled feathers. Has their own personal success of the last 3 years been undermined by KP's batting efforts in all 3 formats? Was it undermined by KP's brilliant 149 which saved the 2nd test?

  • on August 22, 2012, 13:52 GMT

    @777aditya: Doesn't another ex Zimbabwe player - Duncan Fletcher - coach India ?

  • StatisticsRocks on August 22, 2012, 13:49 GMT

    Sure Mr Flower blame ENG losing # 1 ranking to IPL. KP did play in the first test match where ENG managed to only take 2 wickets. Just coz the coach and ECB could handle this issue properly now you want to point fingers somewhere else...Good going Mr. Flower. Why r u coaching ENG and not ZIM I bet it is not for money LOL

  • on August 22, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    @venkatesh018: Why do you say England are hypocritical ? @Arun14: But despite "1 billion" it is STILL only a domestic tournament with interest only to Indian fans and mercenary cricketers. Can you not understand that matches involving Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata etc are generally speaking, of interest only to people in India or ex pat Indians around the world - it's not being arrogant, rude, hypocritical or any of the usual insults chucked this way, it's simply that the IPL matches have no meaning in England. Much the same as Leicestershire v Hampshire has no interest today to Indian fans in India.We don't expect you to be interested in our domestic tournaments, so why should we be expected to be interested in yours ?

  • rahulcricket007 on August 22, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    FLOWER SUGGESTED THAT KP MAY NOT BE IN THE TOUR FOR INDIA . HELL YEAH ... WITHOUT KP ENGLAND HAVE NO CHANCE .

  • torsha on August 22, 2012, 13:39 GMT

    I agree with Ravi Krish. Flower is just can't digest the fact that KP is playing in IPL and blames it for their conflict.

  • devenmakesar on August 22, 2012, 13:39 GMT

    AT END OF THE DAY KP IS OSTRACISED BCOS HE IS NOT ENGLISH, WOULD ECB HAVE DONETHE SAME TO COOK, WAYWARDNESS OF BROAD NO IS THE ANSWER. KP IS PASSIONATE CRICKETEER AND ONE OF THE BEST IN ENGLISH TEAM.ECB IS PARTISAN, THEY TOOK THE BEST OF HIM AND NOW ARE PUNISHING HIM, COMMON HE WAS THE MAN WHO GAVE THEM FIRST INTERNATIONAL TROPHY AFTER 350 YRS IN CRICKET. ONE THING SURE IF KP HAD PLAYED THE LAST TEST ENGLAND MAY HAVE WON AND DEFENDED THE NO1 TITLE. ITS A LESSON FOR OTHER NON ENGLISH PLAYERS IN ENGLISH TEAM.

  • RogerC on August 22, 2012, 13:39 GMT

    IPL is modelled on EPL which is England's own invention and pride. The English can accept a six month window every year for EPL soccer where all international players are expected to play ignoring their national duties. However, the same English can't accept just seven weeks of IPL cricket window. Why such double standards? Please think what financial security a cricketer has when compared to other games. IPL is a boon for cricket and cricketers and it will only grow in the years to come, never mind what England thinks about it.

  • stumpedlloyd on August 22, 2012, 13:27 GMT

    I am not a fan of the IPL by any stretch of the imagination, but enough of this already! The intractable positions of Andy Flower and Andrew Strauss because their sensibilities were hurt are proving to be more destructive for English cricket as KP's foolhardy behaviour. England wouldn't be No. 1 without KP. He's averaged 54 in the last year or so with 4 tons and 6 half-centuries, starting with the SL tour to England. Everyone in this fiasco is acting like petulant children and there is no one willing to be the bigger, better person. As an English fan since the days of Dennis Amiss and John Snow, watching what's happening now is awfully disheartening. For the first time since I began following cricket, I am hoping England tour India without KP, but with Strauss skippering, and get routed.

  • oldmanofsea on August 22, 2012, 13:27 GMT

    @ Suman Gadhok : Lets say the ICC sets aside 6-8 weeks of the international calendar for ICC. What happens if in 2 years time, BBL and SLPL are also big en India will successes. Then Australia and Sri Lanka will also demand a few weeks to be set aside for SLPL and BBL. Also, IPL is currently a 8-10 team format. What if it extends to 15 teams and will take 12-16 weeks instead of the current 6-8? Then India will demand that the window be extended to 16 weeks to cover the full IPL. Hence, the issue is not that simple that ICC can solve by just allocating a window to IPL. There is no easy solution to this one.

  • 777aditya on August 22, 2012, 13:27 GMT

    Zimbabwean (boss) commenting on a South African (topnotch player) - where is the English in English cricket?

  • allblue on August 22, 2012, 13:22 GMT

    @jjamie15 You're right, it is a good question. How did 'private messages' get into the public domain? That's an oxymoron right there. As we don't know, we can only speculate and as such prime suspects are the SA camp. They would have known what a huge psychological weapon had just been handed to them on a plate, and it's hard to believe they wouldn't have used it, albeit discreetly 'off the record' through a third party while they innocently wandered round a meadow picking daisies. Another possibility is KP himself, or rather his agent. They are only interested in one thing - their 15%. By forcing the issue in this manner they get massive publicity for their client, and tap into the anti-England sentiment in India by portraying poor innocent misunderstood Kev as a victim of evil old colonials. I suspect that his commercial value in India is increased by this affair, with companies jostling to get him in their TV commercials exploiting just that sentiment. Happy days for his agent.

  • on August 22, 2012, 13:21 GMT

    Last I saw, Strauss left a ball that was on the middle. Stump and got out lbw. Is this what KP had passed on ? Bowl straight and Strauss will be out ? Seems to be a british cricket malaise in general. Players from other parts of the world are tolerated if they fit in. No place for oddballs like KP and polite guys like bopara. Tigers at Home against weaker opponents.

  • venkatesh018 on August 22, 2012, 13:00 GMT

    Why should KP not play in the IPL instead of playing against a NZ team whose own main players will be skipping the England tour and playing in the IPL. What sort of value can be attached to those Test matches? The English are the most hypocritical lot in the cricket world.

  • ashes61 on August 22, 2012, 12:56 GMT

    Quitting IPL entirely until his ENG career is finished is probably the minimum gesture required, apart from the grovelling (face to face of course) in front of Strauss, Flower & the rest of the team. But it wouldn't - and shouldn't - be enough. I susect the "unresolved issues" will prevent the team agreeing ever to play with him again. The amazing thing is that it is still possible that KP still doesn't "get it." That may be incomprehensible, but I suspect he still doesn't even grasp how far beyong the pale he has gone (and for some years now). That is testament to his complete misunderstanding of what makes the world go round. What baffles me are the comments here from those who seem to think ENG needs KP more than he needs ENG! I've never been more confident now about the future of ENG's Test team! Time to move on.

  • Arun14 on August 22, 2012, 12:54 GMT

    Derbyshire33 - even if 'nobody apart from people from India' cared about the IPL, we are still talking 1 billion. Wake up to the world outside of your shire.

  • on August 22, 2012, 12:46 GMT

    The IPL will take many more international players carrier it should be played in india with indian players only icc should take action so player like kp play for their countries not for these staged tournaments only. indian are destroying international cricket and look their rating in test cricket now shame

  • Cricket_vs_Football on August 22, 2012, 12:44 GMT

    @Knowledge_Speaks:Very well said

  • on August 22, 2012, 12:42 GMT

    @Aboss: That's not what Hayden is saying. According to him, T20 is what all players prefer to play :) The whole KP saga has been mismanaged. The difference in India is that once a player becomes as invaluable as KP has, he is handled with care and when he becomes disgruntled, then people notice. Eng have always treated KP as a foreigner and they are paying the price for it.

  • Pramod75 on August 22, 2012, 12:38 GMT

    Interesting to note that BCCI / IPL is responsible for every issue in international cricket. Firstly IPL is a domestic tournament and secondly, given the international schedule, it can only be played in certain months which for all practical purposes is the only time England can host a test series. I see this issue as the same as Indian players not allowed to play in English county season (in earlier era) or even other T20 domestic tournaments in current era. KP is just a player and today if England thinks Strauss is more important than KP, then so be it. If they produce results, they are hailed and if not, Strauss and Flower will go. However, with IPL, it is Indian cricket that is suffering more than anyone. In which world will you see a player like Ravindra Jadeja earning the kind of money he earns today (grossly overpaid). Rohit Sharma, regarded as the most promising player for future is forever remaining the most promising player. Tiwary forever is 12th man.

  • DeathKnell on August 22, 2012, 12:37 GMT

    "player's desire to appear in a whole season of the IPL proved to be the catalyst that destabilised his relationship with his team-mates and the ECB" - how should that matter? why each player has to have a say on somebody's interest & schedule... why not Strauss is playing all formats then? why not Broad is captaining other formats.. let KP (after all is a mercenary) play the format he wants..if everything has to KP's IPL interest & text messages, then what about Swann's autobiography & other players' participation in all sorts of things???

  • sust2001 on August 22, 2012, 12:33 GMT

    Because of KP's brilliant performances, Andy was able to continue his job as a coach of England team and nobody complained as England team was ranked as No. 1 in the test cricket. Now this story is over and Andy is dreaming to see success in the T20 world-cup without his key player! I think he needs to think what he will do after horrible results of T20 in Srilanka. While every great cricketer is encouraging to play in the IPL if there is no international match scheduled, Andy is tilting face in 180 degree opposite direction. It is clear that Andy`s EGO problem will keep KP out of England team. Once Andy will be sacked from his head-coach position soon, KP will return. It is really unfortunate to miss such a great player like KP in the T20 world-cup.

  • allblue on August 22, 2012, 12:30 GMT

    There is one good thing to come out of this. On these boards and elsewhere there have been a multitude of supporters of other teams, some of whom have previously displayed a fierce, almost pathological hatred of English cricket, who are now only too willing to offer friendly and supportive advice as to the way forward. Dropping Strauss, Bell, Broad, Swann and Anderson, sacking Flower and re-instating KP seems to be the consensus. Similarly, ex-Aussie player Shane Warne and current Aussie coach Micky Arthur are prepared to disregard self-interest and sweetly suggest what has to be done. In an increasingly cynical world such magnanimity is touching, it warms the cockles of my heart I tells ya! Thank you all for your kindness.

  • ultrasnow on August 22, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    Indian fan here and I can't believe KP did not play the last test (and maybe future tests). He was the only thing I liked about the english batting. The others are boring, sorry that's the plain truth. KP has got talent and flair, he's daring and he's a hero, a braveheart, a gladiator!. That switch hit perhaps defines the KP way of thinking - he's different. Handle with care England or you're gonna lose this gem, Regards.....

  • Natesan333 on August 22, 2012, 12:27 GMT

    KP get the Indian citizenship and play for our national team. This way you can also play for the IPL and it won't clash.

  • cooldxve on August 22, 2012, 12:24 GMT

    Hats off to the ECB for taking such a bold decision against one of its top players. Other boards should learn from them.

  • asiacricket1234 on August 22, 2012, 12:23 GMT

    Im not sure why a England player has to be concerned over his financial future??? Yes they dont earn as much as the Indian does but they do earn more that Million Pound just from ECB and than they have county contract and Sponsors. Most of the successful player end up with a Job in Media after retirement too. So KP cant say that he wanna earn more because he is going to finish his career soon. He is earning a lot. What people should keep in mind that KP is a person who left his country for better career and how he attacked them after that. He than create trouble in every single county team he has played for. This guy isnt honest to anybody. He will leave england too if a get a better offer in other country. ECB has done the right thing. No need of KP :D

  • TheScot on August 22, 2012, 12:16 GMT

    Dear Andy Flower, I have been a fan of yours during your playing and I still am. But right now, I think you are supporting the wrong people (England Team sans KP) - with a right reason (Team spirit and Bosses). Pietersen is at fault, agreed but he was managed to make mistakes. The true fact is that your bosses (ECB) still can not manage the cricket board, as they could not in Nineties and early Naughties. They can not generate profits like other boards and their product doesn't have X Factors or enough buyers. The another truth is that the people who are abiding by ECB are not getting much in reward like other big international players. But one of them is getting that - a certain Kevin Pietersen. So the other big players are jealous and feel left out. They are not poster boys, heroes, stars, millionaires, like Kevin Pietersen is. So they (cricketers) created such an environment around KP to make him do mistakes. ECB & you (Andy) are giving them 'reward' by 'Managing Out' KP.

  • Nduru on August 22, 2012, 12:16 GMT

    @Tokoloshe: Andy Flower is the last person anyone could say was 'fake'. He has always talked like that, even when he was playing for Zimbabwe. The fake player is KP with his affected accent and England tatoo. He is the real reason for this whole mess. He has a God complex. The blind spot with some of the Indian/IPL fans is that they also have a God complex - they worship players blindly without seeing their faults. You guys are lucky you've had such wonderful men to worship - like Sachin and Rahul - if they were as arrogant as KP they would never have lasted like they did.

  • D-Train on August 22, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    Pietersen has never considered himself an Englishman. He considers himself a South African who "works for" England. He should never play for England again because his heart isn't in it.

  • on August 22, 2012, 11:49 GMT

    Should this situation fail to be resolved, then Pietersen should relish the 'hired gun' moniker and move on. Securing his family's financial security shold be of paramount importance.

  • on August 22, 2012, 11:42 GMT

    What is it with IPL bashers? Is it that players make some money? Or is it that cricket stadiums are filled with spectators who like the entertainment? Or is millions of viewers world over who watch the carnival on TV? What is wrong if few weeks in a year are set aside by the boards for this T20 cricket. There is rest of the year for test cricket.And look behold, we can all watch snippets on TV of the retired and pensioners enjoying their "Classical" test matches for five days. I am not saying that, IPL can not be improved.It certainly can be taken to the next level by ensuring that all countries are fairly represented and world class players from all over get to play.

  • on August 22, 2012, 11:28 GMT

    it was COOK,TROTT,SWANN,ANDERSON,BROAD who made england no 1,not KP.

  • zoot on August 22, 2012, 11:24 GMT

    Flower has finally admitted the problem but the problem is with the ECB rather than the players who would all prefer an IPL window so that they had the chance of enhancing their global reputations and earning a lot of money.

  • ChrisCl on August 22, 2012, 11:24 GMT

    What I find strange about all this is the role of the South Africans. Very convenient to let the ECB know about the texts on the eve of the Lord's Test. Pietersen dropped, the one single player who could of pulled off an attacking innings to drive England over the line on Monday. If the text was sent to one or more of the South African players why did they have to make it public? KP and Eng have been stitched up like a kipper by SA.

    My personal opinion is that yes KP has messed up. But you don't have to like someone to play professional sport alongside them. Perhaps KP is arrogant and rubs his teammates up the wrong way. But all that matters in the end is what he delivers on the field. That applies as much to him as it does to the other players in the England team. Unless KP has committed gross professional misconduct (at this stage Flower has not even seen the texts!), Flower's and Strauss's professional duty is to pick the best 11 regardless of whether they like those 11 individuals

  • on August 22, 2012, 11:23 GMT

    Flower is being obtuse, T20 cricket was invented and introduced by the ECB , the coplete invention of the format is thier baby, They are just jealous that the BCCI took it to a different level. The ECB tried to replicate the formla and fell flat on their faces, so now its a case of sour grapes

  • Hardy1 on August 22, 2012, 11:22 GMT

    Wow. Just own up to the texts that were sent which even if derogatory, should not be looked at with such intensity because barely any of us get along with every single person we work with (obviously if he leaked team tactics etc. that's a different situation that should spell the end of his international career). It's just pathetic how England's best player isn't playing due to something so petty (and apparently isn't due to play anytime soon) and has made them the laughing stock of world cricket. Flower talks about how he should have nipped the twitter account in the bud - well if this team is as professional as it likes to believe then it should be able to nip this in the bud and just get on with it.

  • Long-Leg on August 22, 2012, 11:20 GMT

    Much has been written about Pietersen being the biggest star of English Cricket. He may have star (media) quality, but he is only one of a good crop of players. I would put Bell, Cooke and Trott alongside him in terms of value to the England test side. Pietersen has the ability to take the attack to the opposition and score quickly, but he has also infuriated England fans by throwing his wicket away at vital moments. He will be missed, but he is not head and shoulders above the others as some people seem to think he is.

  • Nerav on August 22, 2012, 11:16 GMT

    At the end of the day England (and English fans ) are the ones who will lose out. KP will become a successful franchise player and earn more money then the rest of the England team combined. I think ECB and Flower are making a big mistake by trying to fight the IPL. At the end of the day money speaks volumes. Best players will play where they get the most money.

  • DERBYSHIRE33 on August 22, 2012, 10:57 GMT

    Am sick of the IPL, nobody apart from out of India seems to care about the franchises with the mercenary players which is what KP is. English domestic is much more important than the IPL

  • on August 22, 2012, 10:55 GMT

    The Best Cricket board is BCCI which has always maintained a consistent policy that they will allow players to skip the tournaments when they are tired and just they need to inform the board.

    Many people say captain and coach should run the teams but it proves with Andy and Strauss how things go wrong when you give too much power to them.

  • on August 22, 2012, 10:43 GMT

    KP is just taking a leaf out of his buddy Henry Gayle's book and want to be a hired gun rest of his career. What's wrong with that? :-). What is important to a player who is 33 years old and has only 3-4 years of cricket left? Playing for England or securing his future? This is what Gayle did in my opinion and that's what KP wants to do. Of course, he can be dropped or kicked out of the English team but no one should question his right to earn a living (and it shouldn't just be playing for England).

  • on August 22, 2012, 10:42 GMT

    Andy flower is showing arrogance . Is it fair for england to lose a player like pitersen. England never won any big tournament before the KP Magic in winning 20-20 word cup. Is not a big lose for england .. tell me Andy?

  • itsthewayuplay on August 22, 2012, 10:31 GMT

    The are a no of issues. The ECB, captain and coach have said that harmony on the dressing room was key to Eng rise to the top and therefore Pieterson was dropped from the last test and but no action has been taken against the players who followed the Twitter account. These same people are investigating the contents of the Pieterson's texts are happy that Broad had no involvement in any aspect of the Twitter account and yet allegedly shared a house with the person who set up the account and regularly posted messages on it. Flower has said that all the issues have to be resolved before Pieterson's Eng career can considered but omitting him from the World T20 squad and implying his contract won't be renewed because of outstanding issues suggests of a witch-hunt.

  • on August 22, 2012, 10:24 GMT

    @ Sonya jones,Why you are telling everyone that you dont know anything IPL or Indian Cricket. You are saying preposterous stuff, after all the cricket can survive only by generating money, and IPL is doing that. Look at the number of spectators for a test match and a 20-20 match(be it 'your' rubbish IPL).In India, players are just players, but they have a huge fan following, it doesn't mean they are Gods. Maybe certain Gods in many religions doesnt have as many fans as some of the Indian Cricket players. That way, you can consider them as 'Gods' LOL Please continue what you were doing.

  • Aboss on August 22, 2012, 10:21 GMT

    @Gokula Kannan; please dont compare Test Match Cricket to T20 cricket. The only reason players play T20 is because of the money. Ask even a club cricketer if they would like to play 20 overs or 30+ overs. Cricket is already popular globally and it is not because of T20 cricket. I dont like to bash IPL but T20 cricket will never produce cricketers like Sachin, Dravid Wasim Warne Ponting Lara Murli etc. There is just not enought time in a T20 game to showcase all of ones abilities. it is just too one dimensional. Diluting the longer version of the game will reduce the standard of cricket to where baseball will seem like a better option. Technique will go out the window, and the only strategy will be to hit long. Bowlers will scramble the seam all the time killing the art of swing. and what to talk abt spinners just look at what IPL has done to indian spinners. even england have better spinners than india.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 22, 2012, 10:14 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster, its the same as any soccer player will tell you that he loves playing for his premiership club, and how great the club and fans are, well until someone else pays the piper then they become the the greatest club on earth.....This is the problem when money becomes the overriding factor, you also forget that KP still needs to be nice to the ECB as he nees them to issue an NOC for him to play in the IPL.

  • Derryck on August 22, 2012, 10:13 GMT

    Hat's off to the english selectors.KP may be a good player,but he must never be allowed to think he is bigger than the game of cricket.It's a good example for many cricket boards to follow.Three cheers to to the english selectors.

  • meenuraghu on August 22, 2012, 10:13 GMT

    Had Andy Flower done something about the players giggling over the parody twitter account, none of this would have happened. KP would not have been upset enough to have his outburst after the second test and neither would have sent text messages. With KP playing at LORDS, England had a good chance to win and retain their no. 1 spot. I am surprised about all this team spirit talk. Did Flower or Strauss speak to the other players about having a pop at KP? Did it not matter if he was upset? If they did not think this issues needed to be sorted out, they have failed in their job miserably. Now that Strauss is upset, everyone is having a go at KP. I did not hear of a single player supporting KP when Swann had a go at him in his book. He has been punished enough. Flower is coming across as petty in suggesting that it's curtains for KP. I am also appalled at the media having made this into a circus. Everybody needs to chill out and get back to cricket.

  • AbhijeetC on August 22, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    I think KP acted stupidly in this entire period. First of all if wanted to not to play certain games, he should have just informed ECB, that he is unavailable for personal reasons for some few ODIs and when IPL comes next year, he should have just informed he is playing entire IPL and not NZ test. Even some of the NZ players will not go to England next year, It would make a sense that both NZ and England field weak sides. However, KP just hurried everyone, first with stupid ODI retirement, 2nd with ill treated press conferences and now text messages......the next IPL is still a long way for god's sake.....

  • Aboss on August 22, 2012, 9:55 GMT

    The IPL fans are cheering the fact that KP can now play IPL full time. they dont realise that without International cricket KP will just be a domestic player looking for the highest bidder. KP is not the guy to spend his career playing T20 cricket in fact he made the biggest blunder by ditching his team mates and country. Instead of showing discretion he tried to pull a media stunt and from the looks of it has misfired. KP is a born test batsman and not some T20 side show. My only advice for KP is to ditch his IPL contract and show the ECB he deserves his spot back in all formats for England. Then he should fire his agency if they cant make him enough money to support him and his family.

  • on August 22, 2012, 9:51 GMT

    Dear Simon Jessup Are we jealous old boy because you sure sound like a frustrated colonial who thinks only in England is cricket played fairly. Get real IPL IS HERE TO STAY AND EVERY ENGLISH CRICKETER GIVEN HALF A CHANCE WILL PLAY.

  • on August 22, 2012, 9:48 GMT

    @ Gokula Kannan: England are NOT jealous of the IPL (Another of KP's badly thought out comments - why would England be jealous ?) - the problem is that IPL is always played in April/May which is the start of the northern hemispheres summer. We only have half decent weather for 5 months or so (even less this year) and the international season in England has to fit in with this window. Frankly why should we see less international cricket here in order to accommodate what is really only another country's domestic tournament despite the ludicrous sums of money involved ? I can't see India changing their scheduling so it doesn't clash with our County Championship or CB40 so why the reverse ? As for your comments on T20 and test matches that is of course your own opinion but the full houses over the 5 days of the Lords Test indicate that to real cricket followers Test cricket remains the most important and given the joy of SA's players when they won it would seem that the players agree too.

  • tokoloshe on August 22, 2012, 9:47 GMT

    I am no Pietersen fan although I enjoy watching him bat. I cant help feeling sorry for him though. He has been hung out to dry by his team and the very fake Andy Flower. How pathetic is his fake accent!? Trying to sound English. His team mates have lots to answer for. Anderson, Broad, and Swann have all sold poor old KP up the river. I hope it comes back andbites them in the arse.

  • Charlie101 on August 22, 2012, 9:45 GMT

    @Gerardpereira I would check your figures as an ECB central contract iincluding sponserships is worth 1,000,000 per annum much more than the IPL . If KP falls out with the ECB , the sponsers will run for sure as certainly in this country he will be blamed ( rightly or wrongly ) . A few Indian sponsers during the IPL will appear but Dhoni , Seyweg etc will receive the bulk of the TV deals . The IPL is still very nice work if you can get it but imagine the scenario of an injury before the IPL window and missing the tournement and your money !!! The ECB pays rain or shine - which would you rather have ??? KP has to make his money from playing cricket as a TV pundit deal may be difficult - remember the Nick Knight comments !!!!

  • on August 22, 2012, 9:37 GMT

    Can anybody categorically state what KP said in these txts, or is everyone commenting based on hearsay (probably multiple levels of recursive hearsay)? If the England hierarchy wanted to sort this issue out in the interests of English cricket and its followers, then they would be looking to build bridges, not pedantically stick to the one issue which is likely to tear them down. As things stands, the logical conclusion is that the England hierarchy were delighted to have the alleged txts as a pretext to act. Their motivations? No doubt manifold, but denial about the IPL and shifts in cricket's power-base, being in Sky's pockets financially, wanting to paper over the chasms in the funding of the English county game by flogging the international team even harder (goose and golden eggs comes to mind), deflecting charges of slipping standards and poor man-management, burying the emergence of cliques and (perhaps most unfortunately) being happy to rid themselves of an awkward outsider.

  • declaration on August 22, 2012, 9:29 GMT

    speaking as one who has always considerd that mr pieterson lacket moral charecter and did not want to see him play for england in the first place i now hope i can now watch international cricket and enjoy .

  • Tamil_SL on August 22, 2012, 9:20 GMT

    No one is bigger than the game. Whether its KP, Flower, Strauss, ECB or IPL. T20 was not born in Asia, it was only developed and made commercial success in sub-continent. Stop blaming IPL for anything and everything that seems to be going wrong in cricket. Its like blaming EPL and Spanish League for poor performances of star footballers when they play for the country.

  • alboo on August 22, 2012, 9:17 GMT

    Well, Laxman, Dravid have retired. Rohit is as cracking as a biscuit that has been peed on.

    Come to India, Pietersen, with your wife and child and play in our IPL. The BCCI will dance to your tunes and give you rest when you want, and money when you want, and you can be a star in commercials to your hearts desire.

    We will watch and we will be entertained.

  • plumbear on August 22, 2012, 9:12 GMT

    Without England KP would be very little. It provides the platform and is 'shop window' for him to express his talents. I don't agree with some of the above comments about club contracts and then playing for England thereafter. It's proven not to work in the England football format. Take NZ rugby by way of example, all the players are centrally contracted to the NZRFU, thereafter their respective clubs. Look at the success they have as a country in that sport. Also, NZ rugby 7's team (possibly equivalent to different format in the game i.e test v 20/20) and they have separate players who are centrally contracted on that basis and again they are the best in the world at that. England should be the priority for all the players and IPL should only be an option where England is not their priority. If it was ECB I'd have all England players centrally contracted (which they are) and include in the contract that they can only be released where and when they are not required by England

  • Charlie101 on August 22, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    An apology thru a third party is no good at all. KP needs to have a meeting with Strauss and Flower show the text and apologise face to face . Under normal circumstances I do not think KP would do this , hence the you tube video. Now that the central contract and basically his test career is at stake there is a chance of an apology. I assume the management team willl have to go if the 1,000,000 central contract goes and this may help negoiations. I want to see KP back in the team but all the issues need sorted including the Nott's supporter twitter account.

  • mathewjohn2176 on August 22, 2012, 9:06 GMT

    @ Sonya jones, ordinary leagues involves mostly an Australian players including the captain in late addition be it IPL ,BPL or SLPL.@ smithie,good that you didn't mention about DRS,sreenivasan ,tendulkar and dhoni for the first time LOL

  • on August 22, 2012, 9:03 GMT

    No player is bigger than cricket, i also wonder if KP would have done same thing if he was playing for SA.flying high is not an achievement but flying high with dignity is greatness.

  • Selassie-I on August 22, 2012, 8:59 GMT

    So facebook, you want 8 months a year of solid, domestic, T20 cricket? no thanks.. I know people are excited by it at the moment but that's what ODI was like initially, people will again become bored with it, especially if it is played so much. The IPL is enough, there should be a window for it but we shouldn't spend 2/3 of the year playing it. Also the standard of international cricket, especially test would decline hugely as cricketers would not be practicing the skills necessary. Why chuck away 100s of glorious years of history behind cricket away for a few quick bucks? I refer to Virgil "Curst greed of gold, what crimes thy tyrant power has caused"

  • on August 22, 2012, 8:56 GMT

    Lets face it KP is South African born and bred, he owes no loyalty to either the ECB or the England. England payed well for his services but the IPL is a better paymaster. KP is doing what any of us would do, change jobs for a less stressful job that pays better. Good luck KP.

  • JNi3 on August 22, 2012, 8:51 GMT

    Cricket is the game to enjoy. KP plays for IPL and which turns in to the happiness for many people. People love his batting. The thing is ECB is joulous about IPL.... Dont worry KP, u r alwez welcome in INDIA to play IPL. We all love u.....

  • on August 22, 2012, 8:46 GMT

    Flat_Track_bullies. In short the answer is NO there is not a legal angle to disclosing a conversation or text in this contex. You, I and everyone else in the world disclose conversations all day and everyday without fear of discipline. As for big Kevin, I hope never to see him play for England again. No doubt he will join the great IPL full time (maybe with some clssy buster cup cricket in between) and smack around the has beens and the never will be's in front of packed houses paying twopence a ticket. He will of course earn decent money, funded in main by the bookies.

  • Herbet on August 22, 2012, 8:45 GMT

    I think this issue goes deeper than the text messages, they have just been the icing on the cake if you like. I think the players/coach will harbour greater resentment that Pietersen has done this chest puffing, me, me, me, I want to earn more money, I want to play in the IPL with my friends tantrum just as the SA team arrived, and exactly when the team should have been knuckling down and concentrating on a really hard test series. I think they will feel that he screwed it up for them, however inaccurate that may be. Even prior to this, with Pietersen's personality and what happened when he was captain, most of the players probably didn't like him anyway and it wouldn't have took much for him to have rubbed them up the wrong way. This could be the ideal catalyst for the England team. All Flower has to say is "go out and prove to the world you don't need him, they all think you are nothing without him".

  • gullycover on August 22, 2012, 8:24 GMT

    I think Mr. Pietersen has spoiled & damaged the chances of other South African players to play for the English Cricket team. And I mean seriously damaged :P

  • Flat_Track_bullies on August 22, 2012, 8:03 GMT

    BEST THING FOR ENGLISH CRICKET - say Thank you to Straussy and Flower for their services. Cooky to take KP out for lunch, sort things out, and lead the team in all formats: Jonny B to replace Strauss, Trott to open with Cook. Ofcourse KP is in!!!

  • Flat_Track_bullies on August 22, 2012, 8:00 GMT

    Is it LEGAL to disclose a private conversation? In the UK, you can present a private phone recording as a proof if that was without the permission of speaker. Im sure there is a Legal element to that??????

  • on August 22, 2012, 7:47 GMT

    Everyone in this world is looking to earn big money.Why not KP?. He is correct in saying that England is jealous about IPL.Compared to International cricket IPL gives huge money and everyone wishes to play in it.ECB & ICC want to earn money but why not KP.One good idea is like in Football,where the players play for their clubs for nearly 10 months in a year and International matches are so less,Cricket should follow the same style.Top most cricket playing nations should form their clubs and every top most players from all countries should play in every league around eight months a year.Other four months should be given for International window.Then cricket will be popular globally.It foolish to say that test match is the real format in this fast world.I am big fan of cricket in my early ages,but now a days i do follow only T20 cricket and especially I love IPL.I see rarely their is any fan for Test matches.So cricket as to be changed totally to globalize.

  • Naresh28 on August 22, 2012, 7:45 GMT

    KP could walk into the SA team. He is such a classy player.

  • UAETigers on August 22, 2012, 7:27 GMT

    KP's behaviour and handling is same as of Shoaib Akhter from PAK, he was no doubt a match winner and a Super Star who loves lime light and media attention like a showbiz personality. These kind of sportsment have very high ego and very difficult to manage as they don't comprise neither they listen to good advices given to them to avoid clashes and controversies. Seems like it's a sad end for another brilliant and extra ordinary cricketer who loves to live a Bollywood hero life.

  • Smithie on August 22, 2012, 7:18 GMT

    @Dheepan - would that very B grade Australian team be the one that whitewashed India 4 zip?

  • edgie on August 22, 2012, 7:17 GMT

    I aggree with Kanzis. if i was caught sending trade secrets of my current employer to their opponents, I would not only get disciplined, I could very well be fired!! And in any properly managed organization, the same rule applies from the cleaners up to the CEO and shareholders! KP breached that trust, and he should be punished for it, plain and simple, no special rules or dispensation simply becasue he is a good batsman. And i aggree with Andy, the IPL was the catalyst, and specailly KP's agrument that he wants o spend more time with his family, YET he wants to spend that very same time away from his family playing in the IPL. Seriously now, that is called contradicting yourself...

  • on August 22, 2012, 7:12 GMT

    I wonder whether Pieterson has been the scapegoat of an unseen behind the door heavy ego battle.It is well known that he is arrogant.That attitude has made him fierce less and also to stand out from the others. He has been a difficult customer and so as many others in the past.It will be a huge mistake if English Cricket close it's all doors to a man who has helped them so much to achieve their present status.The crucial part he played in 2005 Ashes and the world T20 championship should never be forgotten.He wills survive with the mushrooming of so many T20 tournaments around the world.However,though giving a window of time for him to reflect on his behaviour is reasonable , it is not fair to close the doors altogether in the international cricket .We would like to see him back in action once again like Chris Gayle and that opportunity should not be stolen from him.

  • 100_rabh on August 22, 2012, 7:06 GMT

    Poor KP, he might have sent some texts to Saffas on how to get Strauss out but those texts are the only reason now because of which Strauss will be able to save his place and captaincy of England, for next couple of tours at least!!

  • The_bowlers_Holding on August 22, 2012, 7:03 GMT

    I don't think KP will play for England again, I like his batting generally although he has never been a pleasure on the eye like say Gower. This is a time test and inevitably when he has been out of the limelight for a while he will crave attention and make some statement. I think he seems a bit insecure when he is interviewed maybe feels like a face at the window, make no mistake with an English mother he has every right to play for the mother country but his upbringing is maybe different and he seems humourless. His ommision from any side will detract from their potential however the predictions of England plummeting ala WI and NZ is a bit lop sided as they weren't very strong beforehand. England have some great young players coming through Woakes, Root, Hales, Bairstow, Stokes.......p.s. Why are all the non- English fans so pre-occupied on this issue they have spent the last 7 years telling us he shouldn't be playing for England and now he isn't they are up in arms!

  • KK_Cricket on August 22, 2012, 6:49 GMT

    Andy Flower's career may have ended due to an unfortunate event but think its very unfair on his part to say that KP will never play again..Strongly believe, he is running the show from behind and bringing curtains on KP's career.. He down within knows what value KP brings to England team especially in the sub continent and even Australia and his ability to dominate attacks gives England the advantage.. Now that he has learnt his lesson, why not pardon him and bring back normalcy to the situation.. And strongly believe, KP has more to contribute to the English cricket then what Andy Flower and Strauss would do.. Flower and Strauss would stay for year or so max but KP has a long future ahead..

  • UAETigers on August 22, 2012, 6:36 GMT

    KP's behaviour and handling is same as of Shoaib Akhter from PAK, he was no doubt a match winner and a Super Star who loves lime light and media attention like a showbiz personality. These kind of sportsment have very high ego and very difficult to manage as they don't comprise neither they listen to good advices given to them to avoid clashes and controversies. Seems like it's a sad end for another brilliant and extra ordinary cricketer who loves to live a Bollywood hero life.

  • jjamie15 on August 22, 2012, 6:21 GMT

    Here's a question that no one seems to have asked - how did the texts become public? The ECB, Flower and Strauss weren't aware of them, so they've either been leaked by KP or the South Africans. Either way, it's a very naive way of communicating, i.e. physical evidence. Why couldn't KP just speak to his 'good friends?' Wherever they came from (surely it presented a fantastic opportunity for SA to disrupt the England camp in the lead up to a huge test match with so much at stake), KP HAS to be disciplined. One player simply does not make a team; Bradman, Tendulkar, Sobers - all of them cannot field in 11 positions or consistently score enough runs single-handed to win games. Group cohesion and team dynamics also play a key part - the team is everything and you cannot risk affecting several players to indulge one. My thoughts? He's a fantastic player; England may be successful with him or without him. I'd drop him for India, NZ, then ask him if he wants the IPL or the Ashes...

  • Oldpunk on August 22, 2012, 6:12 GMT

    Andy Flower seems like a top guy - tough but fair, a team man, ethical. If the ECB fold and let KP back into the Test side, then I think Flower will walk away when his contract expires. Flower or Pietersen? Flower please.

  • on August 22, 2012, 5:57 GMT

    finally the reality came out.Why KP did all these things?he created an environment to justify playing whole IPL.Under normal circumstances that is impossible.But now he can blame all and play IPL.Because that was his prime goal.

  • on August 22, 2012, 5:54 GMT

    KP will now get his wish and all IPL followers will be glad to see him play a whole series and not rush back to play NZ in a early season test series. I hear that that the top NZ players will not be available as they will also be completing a full IPL series. The only people that will miss out is the English cricket fans who will not see KP in an England shirt. Wether they can win or not without their top batsman is not the issue. The issue is England fans want to see KP in an England shirt.

  • on August 22, 2012, 5:50 GMT

    @Kanzis the smses were more of a moaning to a friend vibe, not selling company secrets as you say.

  • sharidas on August 22, 2012, 5:42 GMT

    There certainly are no issues about KP being not considered for the English teams, as there is no way one can tolerate the indiscipline created by his tweets to the opposition. Obviously, KP cannot keep his mouth and twitter quiet...and it may be about time, a ban is kept on twitter and such during a tour, which I think is fairly easy to implement, though, it goes without sayiing that the players should be more responsible. As for the IPL, nobody can deny the fact that the payment a player receives in one season itself, goes a long way in keeping his future secure. One bad injury during a test match and no matter what compensation a Board can offer, will be next to nothing in comparison. There are in fact, way too many matches being played under most Boards, which will naturally be justified by them. These days MONEY is everything and it will be hard to stop that call.

  • Tommy82 on August 22, 2012, 5:41 GMT

    Cricket has lost a great test and one day player just because of some rumors. ECB and the team management has made a mess out of this situation. Added to the fact tat most of the English team is obviously jealous of KP's success and talent. They've just added fuel to fire by isolating KP completely in the dressing room. One can never perform successfully when he knows tat people around him r waiting for him to fail. It seems as if even Flower has been waiting for something like this to happen to chuck him off the team.

  • Deep_Point on August 22, 2012, 5:38 GMT

    Melbourne Stars have two more spots to fill before the Big Bash League signings close out - come on KP, get yourself down to "The World's Most Liveable City" for a few weeks of summer sunshine and a few (more) quid in the back pocket.

  • Nadeem1976 on August 22, 2012, 5:30 GMT

    ECB is stubborn for ages. If i was KP i would call IPL and all other T2020 leagues and tell them that i am available to play full time and move on.

    ECB you have just lost #1 rank by not playing Legend player. That's a management mistake. KP would win that last match i am confident.

    Cricket is no more gentlemen game and ECB needs to evolve.

  • JonB007 on August 22, 2012, 5:21 GMT

    Ran out of characters on my last post, but,wanted to add this that I hope KP kept his dual citizenship & comes back soon to play for SA, it not, hope he makes lotsa money playing ILP & similar tournements.

  • Neutral_Guy on August 22, 2012, 5:20 GMT

    This is the difference between IPL and other leagues.. IPL creates rebels against their own teams by the way of scheduling and even much more that we can't even imagine.. You can take SLPL and see how well it is managed without making any player go against their country's schedule.. No offense on IPL, but this is definitely a fact..

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 22, 2012, 5:20 GMT

    @Kanzis: Why do you people have to become cheer leaders for test cricket ? The 'hit and giggle' cricket as you call it is the future of the game whether you like it or not. Ask any player and he will tell you how much he loves playing T20 cricket in the IPL or any other leagues of similar nature. Almost every SA player features in the IPL and look what they did to England ? There is nothing wrong in having fun playing exciting T20 cricket and then pulling over the bland whites to play long and boring test cricket. Both formats can exist. England are living in self denial while the rest of the world is moving ahead. If you ask me, KP didn't do anything wrong by signing an IPL contract.

  • JonB007 on August 22, 2012, 5:19 GMT

    Andy, this all hog wash that you have said. You have accepted IPL was one of the main straw and you have admitted that the you should have acted faster on that twitter account faster, but, although that twitter account belonged to a very close of 2 English players you not ECB did not do a good job of that investigation. That is where the other 2 players instigated the whole problem & they used the owner of that twitter account to pull all kinds of strings against KP(how come that twitter account holder got a hold of the locker romm info on everything going on in the Englands dressing room?), but, its you or ECB deleted that whole instigation & went after KP. Per KP he had approached everyone to do something about that twitter account and no one did anything & when he took the matter in his whole hands then you(Andy) & ECB sort of like grew up & said something should be done. It was no secret that many in the english dressing room did not want to get along with KP.

  • Alexk400 on August 22, 2012, 5:16 GMT

    Who ever advised him to say he will play all type of matches to get selected. They did good job. Now he can retire because only time ECB gona ask him play is when england plays zombwabwe during IPL time. HAHHAA. KP pls retire and done with it. There are many jealous haters who do not like you making money in IPL. Atleast play one full IPL then go back to england again.

  • Romenevans on August 22, 2012, 5:15 GMT

    I love IPL.....One more bites the dust. Anyway...Andy Flower and England team was overrated and SA gave them a reality check. Move on!

  • slogtocowcorner on August 22, 2012, 5:14 GMT

    Drop him and be done with it. There maybe a "I" in Kevin but there is no "I" in "Team"

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 22, 2012, 5:12 GMT

    @Meety: hahahaha... naw I don't think any time soon buddy. Well.. it looks certain KP won't play for England again. I feel so sad for him and his fans. I am a KP fan too. World cricket will surely be lesser without him. I still hope the ECB + Strauss and Flower sit down with KP and settle the issues plaguing them in the coming weeks.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 22, 2012, 5:10 GMT

    @Ravi Krish, in the Same vein why is Fletcher invoved in Indian cricket and not Zimbabwian Cricket? Flower had a VERY public spat with the government of zimbabwe when he wore a black arm band for the "death of democracy" in his county, and left because of that....@Zahidsaltin, actually KP wanted to pick and chose, you cant have a consistant selection policy when a player decides when and where he will play, especially when he gets the best part of £800,000-1,000,000 per annum from his central Contract (almost equal to his IPL Wages)......@Plow, To an extent, but would you really want someone to play who has just insulted you, sent details of team tactics to them, and basically distracting from the game, I wouldnt and 99% of people wouldnt. KP has been his own worst enemy.

  • Capt.Harry on August 22, 2012, 5:09 GMT

    Hey man this situation with KP vs ECB is very simple to resolve.If he has done something wrong then discipline him for a game, a series,a month,a fine etc and move on.Isn't that what they do when in most sports e.g.football has it's disciplinary code, cycling and doping,the Olympics and the use of steroids etc.. etc...What The ECB needs to do now is to standardize or regularize it's discipline code so that it covers every mode of deviant behavior amongst its' players.It is time to take action against him or select him back on the team.Come on England you have made great strides in dismantling the once mighty Australians.Don't let a petty squabble bring down the entire kingdom.Captain Strauss and manager Flower it is time to face this situation head on and find a solution now.

  • mumbaiguy79 on August 22, 2012, 5:07 GMT

    I just wish the IPL goes away. Money has become the mantra for most players these days. Guys like Sobers, Richards, Botham and Kapil used to play for the love of the game. On the other side you have players like Gayle and KP who play the game for all the wrong reasons.

  • on August 22, 2012, 4:51 GMT

    Kevin Pietersen is one of the present day great entertainers in the league of old timers like Viv Richards or Clive Lloyd. Presently people throng the stadia or switch on the TV to watch batsmen like Sehwag, Dhoni, Sachin, Afridi, Abur Razaq, Shane Watson, David Warner, deVilliers, and of course Pietersen weave their magic. The players have a short career span and they need to make as much money as they can during their best playing years. Not all are going to bcome TV anchors or commentators. So if IPL pays a handsome amount and the player wishes to earn a packet, the administrators should empathise with them rather than adopt a dog in the manger policy. It would be such a waste of talent if Kevin Pietersen doesnt play for England anymore. Cricket and its fans would be the greatest losers in this war of egos between the administrators, coach and captain on the one side and player on the other.

  • Greatest_Game on August 22, 2012, 4:49 GMT

    "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, " said Winston Churchill. The history that well illuminates issues around KP & the IPL is this: Eng lost at The Oval in the most comprehensive test defeat, ever, Lost at Lords, lost the series, & lost the no.1 ranking. A fundamental difference between the 2 teams is that the ECB actively prevents team members from playing in the IPL, and Cricket South Africa (CSA) encourages IPL participation - heck they even HOSTED the IPL. Of the non-Indian players there are more Saffers than from anywhere else. The result? A happy, focused test team that is ranked #1, and a very deep reserve of players with high-end 20/20 experience. When Eng won the World Twenty20 the man who was most instrumental in their success, the Man of the Tournament - Kevin Pietersen, IPL player!

  • on August 22, 2012, 4:49 GMT

    All comes down to England taking advantage knowing opposition teams will cause conflict. Especially countries like NZ who do not get enough from the coffers from the ICC and will end up not playing with potentially their 5 top players next season

  • Emancipator007 on August 22, 2012, 4:48 GMT

    2.Egoistical KP to a fault has been trying to reach out to his team-mates for long and has been totally wedded to the English cricket cause (which is the only issue which needs discussion, not some bally-hoo about team unity, IPL and like). Is it KP's (or Gayle's, Malinga's, Afridi) fault that they are sought by lucrative T20 domestic leagues? Flower is pushing the buttons and contradicting himself by saying that the SMSes were not the issue and then saying that they need to uncover what was messaged. Flower and Strauss are limiting KP's unfettered talent just like Gooch's regimen did to Gower 20 years back. Viv was no less pompous about his talent but Lloyd gave him free reign. Chappelli did the same with Lillee. Taylor tolerated Warne's off-the-field shenanigans and on-field tantrums. Warne was openly gunning for captaincy during Tubby's long form slump.

  • on August 22, 2012, 4:35 GMT

    At the end of the day, no person can be bigger than the team and country. It is not India, where ordinary players lare treated like gods and allowed to make their own rules. KP not only sent a message bad mouthing his captain but he told them how to best get out member of his own team. This is wrong. KP should be removed. Let him continue playing rubbish leagues where ordinary cricket is played by ordinary players.

  • Baundele on August 22, 2012, 4:28 GMT

    If a player asks his cricket board for allowing him to play an entire season for the IPL, the board may accept or reject that; but what the team mates have to do with it? If Flowers accepts the 'responsibility' of their mis-management, will they be punished as well? Or, only the player has to suffer?

  • Odeti on August 22, 2012, 4:27 GMT

    Three Biggest disasters of this era 1) Handling Vinod kambli by management (16 tests 2 double hundreds, 50+ avg, never played test cricket) 2) Shane Bnd saga (Best player NZ ever had by a distance, best strike rate in tests and ODI's and the only bowler who won more matches on his own) 3) Kevin Pieterson (Greatest fighter) whatever be the reason, he has to be part of England for its success. A public apology should have been accepted for a player of his stature. God, this is cricket and some players are bigger than game itself not just team. This is not a Brazil football team to keep Romario out and win the World cup. India took 10 years to get perfect combination due to 1 mistake and NZ will always be under dogs. I hope Eng can do better than this. If there is a issue there is two sides of a coin and he already asked for an apology. save the Game

  • landl47 on August 22, 2012, 4:27 GMT

    It's pretty obvious from a lot of the comments that the people supporting KP have no management experience whatever. It's BECAUSE KP is a top player that he has to be treated the same way as everybody else. Once you start reducing acceptable standards for some people because they are stars, you end up reducing standards for everybody and the team falls apart. India has done that and has fallen apart. South Africa and Australia have always insisted on acceptable standards- it probably cost Warne the captaincy, but look how successful Australia were without Warne as captain. Either KP will get his act together and rejoin England or England will rebuild without him. At the end of the day, England will be stronger than if they simply turn a blind eye and let him behave like an irresponsible schoolboy.

  • on August 22, 2012, 4:21 GMT

    @ravi Krish....u made an excellent point... the fact abt Andy... Andy needs money than his own country's future... zim needs u andy get back to ur country to bring the best out of it... they need u not england...

  • anver777 on August 22, 2012, 4:16 GMT

    KP had realized the mistake & already apologized publicly............ so why not ECB reconsider???? I think he deserves another chance !!!!!!!!!

  • v_singh on August 22, 2012, 4:14 GMT

    (FYI, I am from India) Though the grounds on which Pieterson has been fired are right (sending text to opposition), the buildup to it is a failure of the mgmt. (1) Broad (+ Bresnan and few others), who was rumored to have followed KP bashing twitter account (acc. holder was Braod's friend), is the T20 captain.. your T20 captain makes fun fo you.. great !! And FLower does nothing. (2) Inability to understand that IPL can bring in lots of cash for players (whats so wrong about earning money ?) Why does English board not participate with BBCI (and the Aussies n SA board) to make T20 even better ? ECB tried and embarassed itself with Stanford.. (3) Someone pointed out Flower shud b in Zim if he too was not after money. True, but he had issue(s) with Mr Mugabe, though lots of ex-Zim players like Heath Streak, Campbell et al have made themselves available to Zim service.. I assume Flower could find a way back too if he wanted to...

  • Swingit on August 22, 2012, 4:10 GMT

    I see two sets of comments: outside England who are fans of KP and mouth off about why England should take KP no matter what and how everyone is just jealous of KP and his IPL stardom (mostly Indian fans) and then the English fans who back Flower and the ECB and say KP got what he deserves and the team even if weaker is better off without him. As a neutral I would tend to leave the matters of English cricket to the English so who really cares how much Indian, or other fans cry? Did Windies fans really care what anyone else said about Gayle? they mostly wanted him back and most still hate Sammy cuz of it even if every other fan says Sammy is doing fine. Would Indian fans care if anyone else says Sachin has to go now? let the English do the English. One point I have to make though is to the people saying who cares what KP does all that maters is having a winning side. Wow what shallow people. Imagine if we said that to steroid athletes.

  • on August 22, 2012, 4:03 GMT

    I wouldn't to be bias to any party here. But there are facts which I think need consideration.

    a) All parties shouldn't have washed dirty clothes in public in the first place. b) KP was ill treated in SA before moving to England. c) KP was the only world class player in English team who happened to have a big demand in IPL. d) Are Andy and Strauss the people who should decide on KP's fate? e) Are all parties involved in this issue of high integrity?? f) If KP's behaviour was not up to the standards for last 3 years what were ECB and Andy doing about it all this time? Is it only after the text messages they suddenly woke up? g) Why central cannot be customized? Why most of the cricket boards are very cut and dry when it comes matters related to central contracts? f) No one is more important than the game.

  • Nemo2011 on August 22, 2012, 3:56 GMT

    They say in sports a couple of weeks is a long time!! I wonder how Andy Flower is so sure of taking long time in resolving issues of trust and mutual respect with KP. A 1st round exit in T20 World Cup and a whitewash in India will turn things around pretty quickly, I guess.

  • on August 22, 2012, 3:46 GMT

    Every one knows without KP the test ranking would have gone in srilanka !! dont fool yourself flower !!

  • Kanzis on August 22, 2012, 3:29 GMT

    At the end of the day if you were working for some one and went to the opposition speaking disparagingly about your boss and gave them tips on how to out-perform your current business/team and that became public what do you think would happen to you? you would get fired, this is exactly what KP has done. Just because he is talented now we must all just accept what he did and look the other way?? "oh KP is really talented he did this but hey its no biggy" what a ridiculous notion! It is because we pander to these ppl that they think they can do what they want and get away with it. for goodness sake he posted a youtube video and got his management team to send an apology letter, how can that be construed as showing remorse? it isn't, it is stage managed PR moves. He is reaping what he has sowed, Fully support Andy Flower and the ECB's stance

  • Greatest_Game on August 22, 2012, 3:28 GMT

    @johnathonjosephs. You wrote that "The only problem I see with the IPL is the money that they pay their players. The money is a HUGE amount and really is changing the minds of young and old cricket players." So what is the solution. Should all the team owners keep the money for themselves? Should cricketers play for a pittance? Without the players there is no game. If the game is making money, the players are the FIRST people who should reap the benefits, not the TV broadcasters, administrators, team owners, etc.

  • on August 22, 2012, 3:12 GMT

    @Plow...I love the approach...that is how the men would have handled it. This was a case of ego that triumphed over governance and resorting to age old Victorian discipline of Victorian discipline. I would have rather liked the word suspended rather than dropped. Might as well go all way right? The bright spot in my opinion was Johnny boy..but Taylor could have been avoided.

  • on August 22, 2012, 2:54 GMT

    Ravi Krish made an excellent point !

  • Dheepan on August 22, 2012, 2:31 GMT

    I don't understand how Pietersen's txt messages that was sent privately to another player (be it South African or Indian) be an issue. What is English cricket so afraid off? Pietersen shouldn't have vented out after the headingley test, which was his only mistake. He was in his right to send msgs to whoever he wants. If i were Pietersen, I would say Bye-Bye to English cricket and join IPL and BigBash full time. It is atrocious to treat a cricket superstar like this. Cricket is the only sport where they maintain its all about integrity, but the reality is.. Its all about the money! So shut it and let Pietersen move on with his life. Bairstow played well, but he is no immediate replacement to KP. Neither are Bopara and Bell (forever). Strauss and Cook are decent players but they are not feared by bowlers like KP, Ponting, Sachin, Kallis etc., They dont have the IT factor! English beat a very B-grade aussie team in Oz, other than that they don't have much achievements to show for.

  • on August 22, 2012, 2:22 GMT

    Continue to fool yourself Mr. Flower.. KP was instrumental in England rise to the top!!!... England isn't going anywhere without KP.... You know it, England knows it, and the rest of the would knows it!!!!

  • Tamil_SL on August 22, 2012, 1:53 GMT

    Players such as KP need to be managed differently. They have a different Psyche. Sehwag, Afridi, Shoaib Akhtar, Warne are a few cricketers from modern cricket that need to be understood by team management rather being blamed for having bad relationship with captains or particular team member.

  • on August 22, 2012, 1:51 GMT

    The problem clearly lies with KP's behaviour, which to all intents and purposes has been going on for some time. Let's examine this issue objectively - would any other team in international sport tolerate one of its leading players texting derogatory comments about their captain (let along hints on how to dismiss him) to the opposition during a match? Previously I had some sympathy for Pieterson's complaints about the touring schedule and was prepared to cut him some slack due to his outrageous talent. But this has now become a case of open betrayal - it's difficult to see how the man can achieve a reconciliation with his captain, coach and teammates now.

  • sportofpain on August 22, 2012, 1:45 GMT

    Typical hypocrisy. The guy is your most talented bloke by far and is being rewarded by the free market that is the IPL. But it appears some folks can't stomach that. Pietersen's problem is that he was not politically astute - when he said England was jealous of the IPL, he was a marked man. The old coats were not going to accept that from an upstart South African

    However the bottomline is that people come to watch great players - Kevin is a standout among some pretty mediocre other players. Andy Flower must like Phil Jackson recognize that and make it work just the way Jackson did with Dennis Rodman.

    As for the REQUIREMENT to play both T20 and ODI's, that is so broken. Sachin chooses which formats to play. Absolutely no problem. And for that matter so did Dravid and Ganguly. The BCCI was just fine with that and used it as a chance to groom younger talent. We won the inaugural world T20 with those youngsters.

    England - wake up. Talent like Pietersen's is precious and rare.

  • vswami on August 22, 2012, 1:27 GMT

    It looks more and more like a tall poppy syndrome. Everyone in the establishment believes he needs to be cut down to size and they are sniping at him from all directions. If I were KP, I would simply retire and look how best to salvage the next 4-5 playing years with options available all over the world. And maybe write a book about the English dressing room that the whole world would love to read.

  • johnathonjosephs on August 22, 2012, 1:21 GMT

    The only problem I see with the IPL is the money that they pay their players. The money is a HUGE amount and really is changing the minds of young and old cricket players. Its easy for someone to say money is not the cause when they are not making as much as these players are getting. Once you start getting this much money, you go over a change. This is not just restricted to oversea players, this has affected India first and may be the reason why the Future Indian Team does not look that great for Tests

  • on August 22, 2012, 1:18 GMT

    hats off to the BCCI for the manner in which they manage their super star iconic veterans

    KP should have realized a long time ago that he isn't the Sachin Tendulkar of India, that the BCCI will give him special treatment to pick n choose series at his will...n/or perhaps exit the game on his own terms

  • RodStark on August 22, 2012, 1:18 GMT

    Flower's job is to manage the team, and part of that is to make sure there is a mutually respectful attitude in the dressing room. He's failed in that. On the IPL issue, it's interesting that the team owners were very keen to bid for KP but showed little interest in the othet "stars" who are assumed to be his main antagonists (Swann and Broad). An element of jealousy perhaps?

  • on August 22, 2012, 1:15 GMT

    kp... just play ipl big bash bpl slpl for 3 years...try to get 3 years deal from premier leauge... and earn good money than all ur english team mate and say good bye to england... but plz maintain good relation with ecb to get clearance certificate.... england s downfall starts...

  • on August 22, 2012, 1:02 GMT

    KP is the only world class player England have and all efforts must be made to resolve issues. They may not need him when they play in Englad and their groundsmen prepare wickets to help the team but England have no chance of winning a test match in the subcontinent without KP!!

  • Kaare on August 22, 2012, 0:45 GMT

    Its good of Flower to come forward, clarify and take responsibility about things which have been the subject of so much rumor and speculation. What is disappointing though is his stress on how much time this is going to take. The ECB at least owes the fans its best efforts to resolve the "issues" before the India tour

  • on August 22, 2012, 0:44 GMT

    @Ravi Krish: with regard to Flower not being involved with Zimbabwe, I'd suggest it runs a lot deeper than money. If you're not sure how his international career ended, take a look at:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/wctimeline/content/story/281633.html

    I agree totally with those who say that this is airing in public the very things which he's saying should be kept private. 'Mutual trust and respect' may take a while to rekindle, but it'll take a lot longer if you keep publishing progress reports on it. KP's been omitted from the WT20 squad - we all know why, there's no need to spill any more light on it and just deepen the issues further.

  • plow on August 22, 2012, 0:40 GMT

    That this issue has come so far and have lost KP for the foreseeable future just goes to show what lacklustre leadership the combination of Flower and Strauss is for England. Any strong leadership would have taken KP by the scruff of the neck, kicked his butt to high heaven and stuck him out there to bat in the third test with their personal differences resolved. Who really gives a toss what the texts said, its not about he said, I said, is it.. its about winning tests and you do what it takes and that involves leaving personal issues behind in the changing room on match day and playing your heart out.

  • John-Orford on August 22, 2012, 0:36 GMT

    The PR parasites are sticking their noses into everything. It's time for everyone in English cricket (and in other places too) to refuse to have any dealings with them.

  • OttawaRocks on August 22, 2012, 0:31 GMT

    Pietersen's England career is cooked. Sorry Front_Foot_Lunge, more losses coming England's way.

  • Meety on August 22, 2012, 0:23 GMT

    I wondered a few times if KP could stay out of the news for ONE day? The answer appears to be NO! (even though he didn't say anything this time).

  • vinayp on August 22, 2012, 0:21 GMT

    Whatever might be the players relationship in the dressing room they have to play good cricket on feild.... as holding was mentioning about the dressing room of the best west indian team , they were also having issues. And you cant leave your best player out and say that its ok ,its not about one player .. That true but the boards which followed this have struggled .... Aussies didnt leave shane warne but left symonds ,who is one of the best all round player in any format and look at how they failed to replace him and became weak.... Gayle for example , WI couldnt replace him and fell to the bottom .... NZ left Ryder ... look where are they now .... And I dont want to see England in similar fashion and they leave their best player out ... Thats what gonna happen . Sort your issues fast and get on with the game .

  • gunjannp on August 22, 2012, 0:17 GMT

    kp issue should not be dealt with the way its going on. He is an icon player and a great ambassador of the game. He together with Andrew flintoff icket changed the course of english cricket from bad to great,and all his efforts, time and intensity he gave to english cricket should not be forgotten.so from my point of view he should be given one chance irrespective of what he has done,after all we all are human being and we do make mistakes.

  • Kanzis on August 22, 2012, 0:16 GMT

    I'm amazed at some peoples comments. Jealousy over what people earn? are you serious? Kevin Pietersen has reaped what he has sown unfortunately. You cannot justify mouthing off to the opposition in derogatory fashion about your captain and coach and expect no consequences, it is so unprofessional. Then to apologize via a youtbe video? are you serious??? Yes he is a supremely gifted cricketer but that does not give him a license to do as he pleases and expect everyone to just deal with it, he reminds me of Axl Rose, completely out of touch with reality "its not easy being me" modest much? I think Andy Flower is justified in his view, ppl criticize him for speaking about it when in reality they are gagging to get the info on whats going on. Go play hit and giggle for a couple a mill each year KP, at the end of the day it is nothing compared to top level test cricket.

  • on August 22, 2012, 0:09 GMT

    Playing for your country is an honour and privilege not a right. When he played for his domestic team the other day and got out first ball, everyone laughed and booed.

  • Rally_Windies on August 22, 2012, 0:03 GMT

    would you say that there was any jealousy and animosity in the dressing room from fellow players who are unable to earn tremendous amounts of money from the IPL ....

    do the players who support the ECB's position do so only because the IPL does not want them, and as a result, if they cannot play then they believe that KP should not allowed to play in the IPL ?

    would this be an issue if Strauss and Bell won contracts in the IPL ?

  • jackthelad on August 21, 2012, 23:56 GMT

    There have been major issues between Pietersen and England for at least three years, it's about time he was gone.

  • xylo on August 21, 2012, 23:53 GMT

    I understand Andy Flower's viewpoint, but if he is waxing philosophically about being able to see eye to eye and talk, shouldn't he not be discussing openly about it? Strauss said the other day that he does not believe in doing the team laundry in public. So, why is Andy providing a commentary to the outside world? Is it just an attempt to divert attention from the test series' loss?

  • Zahidsaltin on August 21, 2012, 23:30 GMT

    Ya a zimbabwean coach and a south african captain are gone decide how to safeguard the integrity of English cricket. Why to start from text messages, why not issues much earlier which made KP do the messages. Is Strauss making himself available for ODI and T20? Why should KP not be allowed to do that. It is like asking Usain Bolt to run 200 & 400 race too otherwise you won't be allowed to run 100 meters. Why do you want players to make available for all three formates. Why it should be so? which English integrity book says so? In 5 years time 50% of the players world over, will be making themselves available for certain formates and you will be accepting that and then English cricket will be sounding like a joke in the history books by doing so to loose the biggest star of english cricket in decades. Andy should have been a better man-manager to resolve the issues among players when he first saw a jealousi creaping in players who couldn't take a superstar with big IPL money tag.

  • on August 21, 2012, 23:22 GMT

    Easy for Andy Flower to say because he's not required by IPL. In the same breath, why is he coaching England and not involved in Zimbabwe cricket? Certainly for money I'd say. Everyone likes money, just that some making more makes it for others to digest.

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  • on August 21, 2012, 23:22 GMT

    Easy for Andy Flower to say because he's not required by IPL. In the same breath, why is he coaching England and not involved in Zimbabwe cricket? Certainly for money I'd say. Everyone likes money, just that some making more makes it for others to digest.

  • Zahidsaltin on August 21, 2012, 23:30 GMT

    Ya a zimbabwean coach and a south african captain are gone decide how to safeguard the integrity of English cricket. Why to start from text messages, why not issues much earlier which made KP do the messages. Is Strauss making himself available for ODI and T20? Why should KP not be allowed to do that. It is like asking Usain Bolt to run 200 & 400 race too otherwise you won't be allowed to run 100 meters. Why do you want players to make available for all three formates. Why it should be so? which English integrity book says so? In 5 years time 50% of the players world over, will be making themselves available for certain formates and you will be accepting that and then English cricket will be sounding like a joke in the history books by doing so to loose the biggest star of english cricket in decades. Andy should have been a better man-manager to resolve the issues among players when he first saw a jealousi creaping in players who couldn't take a superstar with big IPL money tag.

  • xylo on August 21, 2012, 23:53 GMT

    I understand Andy Flower's viewpoint, but if he is waxing philosophically about being able to see eye to eye and talk, shouldn't he not be discussing openly about it? Strauss said the other day that he does not believe in doing the team laundry in public. So, why is Andy providing a commentary to the outside world? Is it just an attempt to divert attention from the test series' loss?

  • jackthelad on August 21, 2012, 23:56 GMT

    There have been major issues between Pietersen and England for at least three years, it's about time he was gone.

  • Rally_Windies on August 22, 2012, 0:03 GMT

    would you say that there was any jealousy and animosity in the dressing room from fellow players who are unable to earn tremendous amounts of money from the IPL ....

    do the players who support the ECB's position do so only because the IPL does not want them, and as a result, if they cannot play then they believe that KP should not allowed to play in the IPL ?

    would this be an issue if Strauss and Bell won contracts in the IPL ?

  • on August 22, 2012, 0:09 GMT

    Playing for your country is an honour and privilege not a right. When he played for his domestic team the other day and got out first ball, everyone laughed and booed.

  • Kanzis on August 22, 2012, 0:16 GMT

    I'm amazed at some peoples comments. Jealousy over what people earn? are you serious? Kevin Pietersen has reaped what he has sown unfortunately. You cannot justify mouthing off to the opposition in derogatory fashion about your captain and coach and expect no consequences, it is so unprofessional. Then to apologize via a youtbe video? are you serious??? Yes he is a supremely gifted cricketer but that does not give him a license to do as he pleases and expect everyone to just deal with it, he reminds me of Axl Rose, completely out of touch with reality "its not easy being me" modest much? I think Andy Flower is justified in his view, ppl criticize him for speaking about it when in reality they are gagging to get the info on whats going on. Go play hit and giggle for a couple a mill each year KP, at the end of the day it is nothing compared to top level test cricket.

  • gunjannp on August 22, 2012, 0:17 GMT

    kp issue should not be dealt with the way its going on. He is an icon player and a great ambassador of the game. He together with Andrew flintoff icket changed the course of english cricket from bad to great,and all his efforts, time and intensity he gave to english cricket should not be forgotten.so from my point of view he should be given one chance irrespective of what he has done,after all we all are human being and we do make mistakes.

  • vinayp on August 22, 2012, 0:21 GMT

    Whatever might be the players relationship in the dressing room they have to play good cricket on feild.... as holding was mentioning about the dressing room of the best west indian team , they were also having issues. And you cant leave your best player out and say that its ok ,its not about one player .. That true but the boards which followed this have struggled .... Aussies didnt leave shane warne but left symonds ,who is one of the best all round player in any format and look at how they failed to replace him and became weak.... Gayle for example , WI couldnt replace him and fell to the bottom .... NZ left Ryder ... look where are they now .... And I dont want to see England in similar fashion and they leave their best player out ... Thats what gonna happen . Sort your issues fast and get on with the game .

  • Meety on August 22, 2012, 0:23 GMT

    I wondered a few times if KP could stay out of the news for ONE day? The answer appears to be NO! (even though he didn't say anything this time).