Wicketkeeper July 6, 2010

Safe, solid, sometimes spectacular

The West Indies side has been blessed down the years with keepers who could bat, and bat well
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Ever since Karl Nunes, the captain of the team, walked out to bat at No. 4 at Lord's in West Indies' first Test in 1928, their man behind the stumps has usually been not only a wicketkeeper but also a batsman.

On that June day, Nunes scored 37, the team's second-highest score of the innings, and ever since, up until recent times, West Indies wicketkeepers, some of whom have batted up the order, have always contributed to the team's total.

In fact, Errol Hunte, who batted at No. 11 in both innings of his first Test match, moved up to No. 2 in the order in his second Test and chalked up the team's top score of 58 in the first innings and 30 in the second. In 1933, Ivan Barrow, opening the innings, scored West Indies' first century (105 at Old Trafford) in England - a few minutes before George Headley, who went on to score 169 at No. 3. Clyde Walcott, the wicketkeeper who opened the innings in his debut Test in 1948, scored two centuries and two fifties in India in 1948-49 while batting at Nos. 4 and 3, and a memorable 168 not out at Lord's in 1950 to lead West Indies to their first victory in England.

The run-scoring record of West Indies wicketkeepers is underlined by the performances of Clairmonte Depeiaza, who made 122 in his world-record seventh-wicket partnership of 348 with Denis Atkinson against Australia in 1955; Gerry Alexander, who made 60 and 5, 5 and 72, 0 and 108, 63 not out and 87 not out, and 11 and 73 against Australia in 1960-61 with a table-topping average of 60.50, and Jeffrey Dujon with a career tally of 3322 runs with five centuries at 31.94.

It is not surprising that having been weaned on a diet of fast bowling, almost all West Indies wicketkeepers were brilliant against fast bowling.

The contenders

Clyde Walcott
He started his career as an opening batsman-wicketkeeper against England in 1948 but gave up the gloves to stand in the slips after the series against Australia in 1951-52. A big man, wicketkeeping apparently took its toll on him, and after showing promise with the bat, he became one of the finest West Indies batsmen of all time; but he was undoubtedly also a reliable wicketkeeper.

Jackie Hendriks
Arguably the best all-round wicketkeeper produced by West Indies. As a batsman, he was useful at the first-class level. As a keeper, however, he was among the best at the highest level. Like all West Indies keepers, Hendriks was great against pace. Unlike most of them, however, he was also great with spin. In 20 Test matches he took 42 catches and made five stumpings.

Deryck Murray
Murray was a sound and solid wicketkeeper, who in his first Test series at age 20 held the world record of 24 dismissals - 22 catches and two stumpings. A quiet man, he was far from flashy, doing his job without fuss. As a batsman he also batted up the order at times, but without much success. Apart from his partnership with Andy Roberts that rescued West Indies against Pakistan at the first World Cup in 1975, his best effort with the bat came in Bombay in 1974-75, when he scored 91 in a match-winning partnership of 250 with Clive Lloyd. In 62 Test matches Murray took 181 catches and made eight stumpings.

Jeffrey Dujon
A stylish, top-order batsman in first-class cricket who became a wicketkeeper. A brilliant, acrobatic catcher of the ball, he leapt high and flew far on either side to take some fantastic catches. Nothing from the fast bowlers, it seemed, was too high or too wide for him to catch. Like Murray before him, he was, probably even more so, the ideal wicketkeeper for West Indies' fearsome battery of fast bowlers. In 81 Test matches, and on top of his fine batting performances, Dujon took 267 catches and made five stumpings.

We'll be publishing an all-time West Indies XI based on readers' votes to go with our jury's XI. To pick your wicketkeeper click here

Former sports editor of the Jamaica Gleaner and the Daily News, Tony Becca has covered West Indies cricket for 30 years

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  • POSTED BY on | July 9, 2010, 20:55 GMT

    Jeff Dujon, hands down, would be my choice for the 'keeper's spot. Neither Walcott nor Hedricks kept long enough to warrant selection. Derryck Murray was solid,level-headed, but not spectacular. One not mentioned here is probably our technically purest 'keeper ever, David Murray. Naturally talented, but came along at the wrong time.Could bat a bit too;did so at # 3 for Bim on more than one occasion. Great playerof AND 'keeper to spin.Our incumbent Ramdin has a very long way to go before being considered one of our greats.My ideal XI: Hunte, Greenidge,Richards,Sobers,Lara, Weekes, Worrell (capt.), Dujon, Marshall, Ambrose & Gibbs. Worrell is perhaps the greatest ever captain in ANY sport. His exploits are in a word:legendary.Stylish batsman too. The incomparable Sobers is an automatic pick in any WI or World XI. Marshall is certainly either the greatest pacer who ever graced a cricket field, or is in the top 3 for sure. Richards simple broke bowlers' hearts. The rest select themselves.

  • POSTED BY Metman on | July 9, 2010, 20:22 GMT

    Someone said that a team with openers av.40+,and other batsmen av.50+,we dont need Walcott to keep to bolster the batting,absolutely correct!Walcott,Weekes and Headley all av.55+,and MUST be included in the middle order,---for the remaining position Richards and Lara would have to fight for that spot!NOTE! Walcott was put forward for two positions---Middle order batsman,and wicketkeeper.I would,however, go for Walcott as keeper. Lara has to be included based on averages alone, ahead of Richards,however,I would rather watch the brute force of Richards ahead of the self centred Lara any day!My team so far ,based on the positions put forward by the panel and based on averages alone ,would be .Hunte,Greenidge,Weekes,Lara.Headley.Sobers,Walcott,however, I would rather watch Fredericks,Greenidge,Weekes,Richards,Lara,Sobers and Walcott any day.

  • POSTED BY alonsoe on | July 9, 2010, 19:43 GMT

    How did Ridley Jacobs not make the list ?

  • POSTED BY mgzak on | July 9, 2010, 4:54 GMT

    Dear Slaton, Being biased is one thing but being irratrional is another. How can you even compare Weeks with Lara? Lara is probaly the first pick on the side after Sobers. Also, your side has 4 middle order batsmen with Sobers coming at # 7? You may as well pick only batsmen....they'll probaly make 1000 runs in every innings and not lose a game.

  • POSTED BY slaton on | July 9, 2010, 1:48 GMT

    I'm Biased as I wouldn't even select this team without Worrell as captain.That being so and selecting a team around him most of the choices made so far wouldn't be made by me.

    That being so my choices are

    Hunte and Worrell to open

    Headley, Richards, Lara and Weekes in the middle - an extra bat because we have the extra allrounder in Worrell and well Richards can always throw his hand over plus I couldn't separate Lara and Weekes - Mr. Big Runs against Mr. Consistency

    Sobers

    Murray because we need someone who can actually read spin

    Marshall, Roberts- the two most complete fast bowlers we have ever had

    Gibbs- The best off spinner in the world during his era and certainly our best spinner ever.

  • POSTED BY Metman on | July 8, 2010, 11:41 GMT

    @Waspsting!You claimed to have never seen Walcott,yet you say he wasnt a top class keeper(a keeper who rarely misses a chance),otherwise he wouldnt have given up the gloves!Walcott didnt give up the gloves based on those.He gave up the gloves because as a big man,6ft,2",the constant bending down and getting up was beginning to take a toll on his massive frame,and because he could have easily made the team as a batsman,he decided to hang up the gloves to concentrate on his batting,and rightly so,because his av.jump from 49 as a keeper,to 56 as a batsman!How many chances did Walcott and Dujon missed(just curious).It is also POSSIBLE that Dujon could have dropped Bradman on 20 before he goes on to make 220!There could also have been days when Dujon could have made 150,and Walcott a duck.Your logic is flawed too!As I said before,if Walcott doesnt make the team as the keeper,he has to make it as a batsman .

  • POSTED BY Sydney66 on | July 8, 2010, 9:39 GMT

    Walcott kept wicket for the West Indies from Jan 1948 to Nov 1951. During 15 test matches he took 27 catches and made 11 stumpings while keeping to Ramadhin and Valentine. His batting average for the period was 40.36 with a highest score of 168 against England at Lords. He was not dropped as wicket keeper because of spilling catches but because of a bad back caused by a spinal injury. Jeff Dujon took 267 catches and made 5 stumpings in 81 matches. His batting average was 31.94. Therefore, Dujon may have an advantage keeping to the fast bowlers, but Walcott would be superior standing up to a spinner, and has a superior batting average. This is what you call a win-win situation. Both Walcott and Dujon would be excellent choices. However, as a spectator I'd love to watch Walcott bat.

  • POSTED BY mgzak on | July 8, 2010, 3:45 GMT

    This is my team: Greenidge, Haynes, Headley, Lara, Richards, Sobers, Walcott, Marshall, Holding, Roberts & Gibbs. No all-time XI from any other country can beat this team.

  • POSTED BY waspsting on | July 8, 2010, 0:24 GMT

    @metman - loved your response! - and appreciate its tone the the scathing one often adopted in such debates. I never saw Walcott - but heres my philosophy.

    Pick the best batsman among TOP CLASS KEEPERS. don't sacrifice keeping abilities for batting abilities. as far as i know, walcott wasn't a top class keeper (which I'd define as a guy who rarely misses a chance) - if he were, he wouldn't have given up the gloves. Andy Flower, Kanhai, Dravid and even Sangakarra all fit into the same category.

    thats just my opinion. There'll be days when keeper Walcott will thump 150 where Dujon wouldn't have, but there will also be days when he'll drop Bradman on 20 before the Don goes on to 220 where Dujon wouldn't have.

    But personally, I'd pick Dujon over a batsman-keeper like Walcott.

  • POSTED BY Paulk on | July 8, 2010, 0:00 GMT

    Greenidge and Haynes are a legendary opening pair but for an all time Windies squad one or both may need to go so that Headley, Lara, Richards, Weekes and Walcott can be accomodated. And of course Gary Sobers. I cannot see how any of the these six can be left out while Greenidge and Haynes take up two positions. Else sacrifice Dujon for Walcott.

  • POSTED BY on | July 9, 2010, 20:55 GMT

    Jeff Dujon, hands down, would be my choice for the 'keeper's spot. Neither Walcott nor Hedricks kept long enough to warrant selection. Derryck Murray was solid,level-headed, but not spectacular. One not mentioned here is probably our technically purest 'keeper ever, David Murray. Naturally talented, but came along at the wrong time.Could bat a bit too;did so at # 3 for Bim on more than one occasion. Great playerof AND 'keeper to spin.Our incumbent Ramdin has a very long way to go before being considered one of our greats.My ideal XI: Hunte, Greenidge,Richards,Sobers,Lara, Weekes, Worrell (capt.), Dujon, Marshall, Ambrose & Gibbs. Worrell is perhaps the greatest ever captain in ANY sport. His exploits are in a word:legendary.Stylish batsman too. The incomparable Sobers is an automatic pick in any WI or World XI. Marshall is certainly either the greatest pacer who ever graced a cricket field, or is in the top 3 for sure. Richards simple broke bowlers' hearts. The rest select themselves.

  • POSTED BY Metman on | July 9, 2010, 20:22 GMT

    Someone said that a team with openers av.40+,and other batsmen av.50+,we dont need Walcott to keep to bolster the batting,absolutely correct!Walcott,Weekes and Headley all av.55+,and MUST be included in the middle order,---for the remaining position Richards and Lara would have to fight for that spot!NOTE! Walcott was put forward for two positions---Middle order batsman,and wicketkeeper.I would,however, go for Walcott as keeper. Lara has to be included based on averages alone, ahead of Richards,however,I would rather watch the brute force of Richards ahead of the self centred Lara any day!My team so far ,based on the positions put forward by the panel and based on averages alone ,would be .Hunte,Greenidge,Weekes,Lara.Headley.Sobers,Walcott,however, I would rather watch Fredericks,Greenidge,Weekes,Richards,Lara,Sobers and Walcott any day.

  • POSTED BY alonsoe on | July 9, 2010, 19:43 GMT

    How did Ridley Jacobs not make the list ?

  • POSTED BY mgzak on | July 9, 2010, 4:54 GMT

    Dear Slaton, Being biased is one thing but being irratrional is another. How can you even compare Weeks with Lara? Lara is probaly the first pick on the side after Sobers. Also, your side has 4 middle order batsmen with Sobers coming at # 7? You may as well pick only batsmen....they'll probaly make 1000 runs in every innings and not lose a game.

  • POSTED BY slaton on | July 9, 2010, 1:48 GMT

    I'm Biased as I wouldn't even select this team without Worrell as captain.That being so and selecting a team around him most of the choices made so far wouldn't be made by me.

    That being so my choices are

    Hunte and Worrell to open

    Headley, Richards, Lara and Weekes in the middle - an extra bat because we have the extra allrounder in Worrell and well Richards can always throw his hand over plus I couldn't separate Lara and Weekes - Mr. Big Runs against Mr. Consistency

    Sobers

    Murray because we need someone who can actually read spin

    Marshall, Roberts- the two most complete fast bowlers we have ever had

    Gibbs- The best off spinner in the world during his era and certainly our best spinner ever.

  • POSTED BY Metman on | July 8, 2010, 11:41 GMT

    @Waspsting!You claimed to have never seen Walcott,yet you say he wasnt a top class keeper(a keeper who rarely misses a chance),otherwise he wouldnt have given up the gloves!Walcott didnt give up the gloves based on those.He gave up the gloves because as a big man,6ft,2",the constant bending down and getting up was beginning to take a toll on his massive frame,and because he could have easily made the team as a batsman,he decided to hang up the gloves to concentrate on his batting,and rightly so,because his av.jump from 49 as a keeper,to 56 as a batsman!How many chances did Walcott and Dujon missed(just curious).It is also POSSIBLE that Dujon could have dropped Bradman on 20 before he goes on to make 220!There could also have been days when Dujon could have made 150,and Walcott a duck.Your logic is flawed too!As I said before,if Walcott doesnt make the team as the keeper,he has to make it as a batsman .

  • POSTED BY Sydney66 on | July 8, 2010, 9:39 GMT

    Walcott kept wicket for the West Indies from Jan 1948 to Nov 1951. During 15 test matches he took 27 catches and made 11 stumpings while keeping to Ramadhin and Valentine. His batting average for the period was 40.36 with a highest score of 168 against England at Lords. He was not dropped as wicket keeper because of spilling catches but because of a bad back caused by a spinal injury. Jeff Dujon took 267 catches and made 5 stumpings in 81 matches. His batting average was 31.94. Therefore, Dujon may have an advantage keeping to the fast bowlers, but Walcott would be superior standing up to a spinner, and has a superior batting average. This is what you call a win-win situation. Both Walcott and Dujon would be excellent choices. However, as a spectator I'd love to watch Walcott bat.

  • POSTED BY mgzak on | July 8, 2010, 3:45 GMT

    This is my team: Greenidge, Haynes, Headley, Lara, Richards, Sobers, Walcott, Marshall, Holding, Roberts & Gibbs. No all-time XI from any other country can beat this team.

  • POSTED BY waspsting on | July 8, 2010, 0:24 GMT

    @metman - loved your response! - and appreciate its tone the the scathing one often adopted in such debates. I never saw Walcott - but heres my philosophy.

    Pick the best batsman among TOP CLASS KEEPERS. don't sacrifice keeping abilities for batting abilities. as far as i know, walcott wasn't a top class keeper (which I'd define as a guy who rarely misses a chance) - if he were, he wouldn't have given up the gloves. Andy Flower, Kanhai, Dravid and even Sangakarra all fit into the same category.

    thats just my opinion. There'll be days when keeper Walcott will thump 150 where Dujon wouldn't have, but there will also be days when he'll drop Bradman on 20 before the Don goes on to 220 where Dujon wouldn't have.

    But personally, I'd pick Dujon over a batsman-keeper like Walcott.

  • POSTED BY Paulk on | July 8, 2010, 0:00 GMT

    Greenidge and Haynes are a legendary opening pair but for an all time Windies squad one or both may need to go so that Headley, Lara, Richards, Weekes and Walcott can be accomodated. And of course Gary Sobers. I cannot see how any of the these six can be left out while Greenidge and Haynes take up two positions. Else sacrifice Dujon for Walcott.

  • POSTED BY on | July 7, 2010, 20:51 GMT

    it is very difficult to pick a keeper we cannot ignore walcott skills with the bat but i will have to give thenod to dujon based on wicketkeeping skills alone and he did develope into a steady useful batsman . worrells average was not all in the gloves point needed to be considered.

  • POSTED BY on | July 7, 2010, 16:21 GMT

    it has to be Sir Jeffrey Dujon

  • POSTED BY WindiesWillow on | July 7, 2010, 15:52 GMT

    Ridley Jacobs wasn't bad with the bat, and should be included here as well. The best wk though would be Jeffrey Dujon.

  • POSTED BY Antir on | July 7, 2010, 14:44 GMT

    Given the bowling attack that this team is going to have it has to be between Hendriks and Murray. There is plenty of batting already. Fielding and saving runs is just as important as scoring them. A good wicketkeeper is definitely needed in this team.

    @tomemy If Frank Worrall was in the team he would not be carrying the drinks and I am pretty certain I know who would be carrying the drinks in your team, starts with L and ends with a.

  • POSTED BY on | July 7, 2010, 14:29 GMT

    I would go with Jeffy Dujon.

  • POSTED BY Rake1 on | July 7, 2010, 12:00 GMT

    Comment from Metman - "This is serious business man, not a time for comedy!" Excellent.

  • POSTED BY Mukhayer on | July 7, 2010, 9:36 GMT

    COME ON PEOPLE CLYDE WACOTT average is 55 better than tendulkar,lara,ponting why are you voting for jeff dujon

  • POSTED BY NALINWIJ on | July 7, 2010, 9:09 GMT

    CRICINFO formula of 5batsmen, SOBERS,WK,3pacemen,spinner gives a balanced side. This means WK comes at 7 so he must be a decent keeper who can bat. I have seen WI keepers since Derryck Murray and he and Dujon are clearly the best WI keepers. Dujon's batting is good enough as an obvious choice. Wallcott was a backstop who would have struggled with good spinners.

  • POSTED BY Sydney66 on | July 7, 2010, 8:17 GMT

    vparisa - Walcott kept wicket when Ramadhin and Valentine were bowling in the 1950s so Gibbs would pose no problem if picked. This is a no brainer. Walcott trumps Dujon as the superior batsmen.

  • POSTED BY daleb on | July 7, 2010, 5:36 GMT

    Picking alltime WI XI is tough - Greenidge is automatic as opener he is simply the best opener ever , for me Fredricks is his partner I cannot forget his 169 against Lillee and Thompson in their prime on a fast WACA pitch, sorry Haynes. Middle order Headley the pioneer of great WI batting, the master blaster Viv Richards, Brian Lara one of he best ever and the only recent player good enough to make the team. Allrounder the greatest Gary Sobers, wkt Murray by a hair over Dujon, Dujon was more acrobatic but was more of a batsman who became a keeper, Murray was a pure keeper who was good to both spinners and pacers, those who mention Jacobs and Ramdin need to catch up on WI cricket cause they not in the top 5 WI keepers.Unfortunately, LLoyd and Worrel WI best captains bothl miss out because I am playing four bowlers, Viv will have will to skipper the team.Bowlers Andy Roberts , the thinking man, whispering death Michael Holding, Marshall the destoyer & Gibbs WI best spinner.

  • POSTED BY on | July 7, 2010, 1:23 GMT

    Without any doubt, Its Jeffrey Dujon, coz in all time XI you have to pick a good wicket keeper and his first responsibility is to keep wickets. So I pick Dujon as an Wicketkeeper.

  • POSTED BY crazyhead on | July 7, 2010, 1:13 GMT

    It has to be Jeff Dujon! No questions

    However cricinfo seems to have goofed up here. Ridley jacobs should have been on this list..He did carry the team for over 6 years as wicket keeper-batsman and did a commendable job.. he was solid, reliable, effective and pain in opponents neck as WK in 2000s. He did it long enough to warrant a nomination here. Nevertheless, it wont matter, Ridley can't beat Dujon here.. Unfortunately Walcott will miss out as WK and batsman too in the WINDIEs FINAL XI

  • POSTED BY vparisa on | July 7, 2010, 0:34 GMT

    if Lance Gibbs is in team, it should be Dujon/Jacobs, if its all Pace attack Walcott should be good enough.

  • POSTED BY ygkd on | July 6, 2010, 23:44 GMT

    Deryck Murray was the best I've seen, but David Williams was very good and David Murray undoubtedly also. Jeff Dujon was, as has been commented on, only a ducker and diver by comparison - not experienced or technically proficient to spin - which turner did he keep to, Carl Hooper? Ridley Jacobs could have made the list, but then so too, and for better reason, Gerry Alexander who I'd pick ahead of Dujon. That leaves Clyde Walcott, but does the team need his batting? I'd opt for Deryck Murray for his wicket-taking ability or Alexander for his captaining nous and all-round skills or, if necessary, Walcott.

  • POSTED BY Metman on | July 6, 2010, 22:40 GMT

    @manasvi_lingam----What are you saying? what type of LOGIC is that?You said Walcott did NOT do very well as a batsman when he was a keeper,yet his average as a keeper is way above that of Dujon!What byes,missed chances are you talking about?You add up byes, missed chances etc. and says Dujon is so much better than Walcott?come one big man!you have to come better than that!How much byes and missed chances etc, did Walcott and Dujon conceeded?This is serious business man,not a time for comedy!

  • POSTED BY farazzubair on | July 6, 2010, 20:41 GMT

    Since Walcott was missing out in the batsmen from the middle order at times due to the amazing availability of talent at hand in the middle - order one thing that could fix it all right would be this. Someone mentioned that Walcott averaged in the low 40's as a keeper in terms of batting. True, but then he also played slightly higher which might have taken the toll ,what if he is pushed down to number 7or 8 then nobody would have a problem with that, it would be like a Gilchrist walking out at No.7 or 8 and highly unlikely to be dislodged early just when you think you got them. Dujon was the finest keeper I have seen, but Walcott for his all round ability would be world ahead. For me the team now 1) Greenidge 2) Lara ( I picked him as an opener for his ability to bat well up there and to make room for a wonderful bunch) 3) Headley 4 ) Riochards 5) Weekes 6) Sobers 7) Walcott 8) Holding 9) Marshall 10) Roberts 11) Garner

  • POSTED BY abner564 on | July 6, 2010, 19:19 GMT

    Also how does this Jackie Hendricks??? enter this list over Jacobs???? they stats aren't even close.....thiese selectors are going to pick they're favorite players and not the best...

  • POSTED BY abner564 on | July 6, 2010, 19:07 GMT

    Okay, where is Ridley Jacobs. We'll all know he not going to make the squad but atleast he played enough games as a wicketkeeper batsman to qualify for this list.....I agree that should make atleast two list for the West Indies....

  • POSTED BY manasvi_lingam on | July 6, 2010, 17:47 GMT

    I don't get all these people supporting Walcott. Walcott did NOT do very well as a batsman when he was a keeper. As compared to a career average of around 56, he averaged in the low 40s as keeper. Dujon averages in the low 30s. On the other hand, adding up byes, missed chances, etc it will be seen that having Dujon is so much better than Walcott.

  • POSTED BY rkannancrown on | July 6, 2010, 17:40 GMT

    It is always very difficult to compare players of different generations. Probably very few readers would have seen eitherWalcot or Hendriks - certainly I have not. The choice would probably be between Dujohn & Murray. Both were outstanding keepers and have kept to what will probably be the bowling line up. However, West Indian cricket has not failed to produce many bowling allrounders ( probably Learie Constantine was the first & last - he would bat for hours, come out to open the bowling & then would field in the covers). the keeper's batting ability thus becomes important and, on this score, Jeff Dujohn would have to be picked up.

  • POSTED BY Punanydan on | July 6, 2010, 17:29 GMT

    After picking the best batsmen, I don't think we have to look for the best batsman wicketkeeper. What I think is that the best wicketkeeper should be chosen. And in my humble opinion the panel hasn't even chosen the best glove man. I am not certain if everyone here has ever heard about David Murray but I believe he had the best glove work and foot work. I remember I was in Queen's Park in Barbados and there was this guy in the nets wicket keeping without gloves. I couldn't believe it he had to be in his forties. The guy was moving well catching cleanly, to the medium quicks he stood up to the stumps. It was amazing, I had to ask my uncle who the guy was and he said that was David Murray. At one time he was the best in the game until drugs took hold of him. I grew up was watching Dujon but this guy put him in the shade.

  • POSTED BY sajjodaalman on | July 6, 2010, 17:25 GMT

    it has to be either murray or dujon.. mind you ramdin is a pretty dam good keeper as well, and he not even in this list. it should be about wicket-keeping skills primarily. batting is just a bonus

  • POSTED BY Paulk on | July 6, 2010, 16:07 GMT

    Tough choice between Dujon and Walcott but finally went for Walcott. He is just so much superior as a batsman and was an adequate keeper. His average is around Ponting/Tendulkar's.

  • POSTED BY RealWI on | July 6, 2010, 15:37 GMT

    Neither Jeff Dujon nor Deryck Murray had exceptional glove work therefore we have to pick the best keeper batsman, which make Clyde Walcott the clear winner.

  • POSTED BY New_Wind on | July 6, 2010, 15:22 GMT

    @Metman, you are 100% right. I voiced it on first day when I saw the opener's list. Now the problem with this format is only 4 ballers are possible. Either spinnerless attack or WI attack with 3 only pacers both doesn't sound right.

    Crickinfo did the format goofup in all other teams too. Srilanka doesn't have allrounder so they did 5 batemen + 5 bowlers. Which is wrong because all of Srilanka's success came with 6 batsmen + keeper and 4 bowlers format. With Murali supported by Sanath and Arving, you don't need secone spinner. Instead put Roy Dias in the team.

    Same with Pakistan, who have produced both great pacers and spinners. But they went for 4 pace + 1 spinner. When you have Imran, Akram and Waquar, you ought to go with Saqalin to support Quadir and not add Fazal as additional pacer.

  • POSTED BY Murtaza. on | July 6, 2010, 14:26 GMT

    No need any other keeper when you have player like Dujon. he was good batsman too. I canĀ“t understand those people who are just thinking about averg. walcott was very good batsman but not as good keeper as Dujon. for #7 he is perfect wicket keeper batsman. my vote goes to Dujon. I know about West Indies Jury, but I hope they will take right decion unlike Pakistan jury choosed Rashid Latif ahead of great Wasim Bari.

  • POSTED BY wibbly on | July 6, 2010, 14:06 GMT

    I think it is obvious that alot of contributors here including many on the panel appear to not be too familiar with some of the keepers being considered and many are misinformed about Dujon. Murray was technique wise a far better keeper than Dujon with top class footwork. He kept to all the great quicks and to Gibbs,Sobers and the entire battery of Trinidad spinners in the 70's. Dujon had to dive more because he did not have Murray's footwork and he would not have been capable of keeping to Gibbs. Dujon was a fantastic batsman who made himself into a very good keeper to quick bowlers he was not a wicketkeeper/batsman. Ted Dexter, Stuart Surridge and Godfrey Evans were among those who saw the young Murray in his debut series and described him as the best young keeper in the world. I have also seen quotes from Clive Lloyd, Frank Worrel and Tony Grieg describing Murray as among the best keepers of his time.If Sobers and Gibbs are in the side bowling spin, it has to be Murray.

  • POSTED BY on | July 6, 2010, 13:56 GMT

    In the openers thread, I jokingly commented " regarding Richards: what great failing does he famously share with Botham but not Flintoff or Lara? He never scored a century against the top bowling attack of his era!"

    mgzak asked what I meant, pointing out that Richards scored centuries against Australia, England, India, Pakistan and New Zealand. But of course, none of those teams had the best bowling attack of the time - that belonged to the West indies.

  • POSTED BY Proteas_Supporter on | July 6, 2010, 13:51 GMT

    jeffrey dujon is my pick. its unfortunate for walcott and other keepers. this was almost an unanimous pick and the real fight would be picking 3 fast bowlers from 10. i am eager to see the final team..............

  • POSTED BY on | July 6, 2010, 13:50 GMT

    It's always impossible to name an All-time WI Team.Let's name WI- 1 & WI- 1a .4 openers(Hunte,Greenidge,Haynes,Stollymire), 8 bowlers (Hall,Constantine,Gibbs,,Holding,Roberts Garner,Marshall,Ambrose, 2 keepers (Dujon,Hendricks), 2 captains(Worrel,Lloyd)Batsmen( Headley,Richards,Sobers,Lara,Walcott,Weeks,. Which players would you add to these starting line- ups?

  • POSTED BY manasvi_lingam on | July 6, 2010, 13:41 GMT

    Where the hell is Ridley Jacobs? He was certainly a better batsman than Murray and an equally good keeper as well. And I feel that both the Murra's deserved to be up there along with Gerry Alexander who in those times had the very healthy average of 30. The choice boils down to Dujon vs Walcott. Since WI already have a fantastic top 6 (including Sobers at 6 who is certainly as good as any specialist batsman) a good keeper would be better at 7, especially since Marhsall at 8 would be a useful bat too. Thus, I'd go with Dujon.

  • POSTED BY on | July 6, 2010, 13:34 GMT

    ppl that disclaim Sir Viv Richards based upon averages, simply dont undertand the extent of what an awsome force he was with the bat, he swagger and the fear he put in bowlers was unmatched at the time. Look at the guys ODI records there years ahead of his times, he really shouldve retired a bit higher to have that average in test hgiher but quite simply for me richards was the best batsmen of the 80s

  • POSTED BY Robster1 on | July 6, 2010, 13:31 GMT

    Ridley Jacobs indeed unlucky not to be included on this list

  • POSTED BY Metman on | July 6, 2010, 12:14 GMT

    I think the panel continues to handle these positions badly.Clyde Walcott, a batsman with the 4th highest test average,higher than Lara and Richards is going to be left on the outside by many,simply because people will say he didnt keep wicket long enough to be considered a wicketkeeper ,and,because he wasnt included among the opening batsmen,but for me Walcott has to be included among the middle order batsmen at the expense of either Lara or Richards based on averages.If Dujon is picked,then Walcott has to be included purely as a batsman.

  • POSTED BY scritty on | July 6, 2010, 12:08 GMT

    On balance it should probably be little Jeff. Murray was similar with the gloves (good acrobat, sometimes suspect footwork) but Jeff is quite a bit better with the bat. By all accounts Walcott was neither that good at keeping, or, nor did he particularly enjoy it.

  • POSTED BY waspsting on | July 6, 2010, 12:02 GMT

    Saw Dujon, thought he was amazing, and he gets my vote.

    I go for the best bat amongst top class keepers - and Dujon was that. Walcott, I understand, wasn't a top class keeper, though obviously a better bat.

    Think Rohan Kanhai should have got a mention, since Walcott did. Also Ridley Jacobs, who i rarely saw miss anything (and he wasn't a bad bat). Gerry Alexander deserved a mention too as Mikeindex says.

    Malcolm Marshall said Murray kept better to his bowling than anyone else. but I'll vote for Dujon

    @Xolile - i've seen keepers of the type you mention (poor footwork, therefore acrobatic), but my memory of Dujon's acrobatics is that there was no other way to get to the ball - the ball really used to fly off Marshall, Holding and the like.

  • POSTED BY bzzd on | July 6, 2010, 11:35 GMT

    Great way to get Walcott into the team This batting line-up becomes totally awesome and his wicket-keeping was certainly test class

  • POSTED BY delta20 on | July 6, 2010, 10:49 GMT

    Ridley jacobs need a mention in the list. I think had he kept with the pace quartet he would have at lease 80 victims more that what he has now. And what I think is putting Dujon in the team. A team with openers having 40+ average, and other batsmen with 50+ averages do not necessarily need Clyde Walcott to keep to bolster the batting. Jeff dujon has good enough batting average for a no. 7 and excellent keeping records to earn the spot in the team.

  • POSTED BY on | July 6, 2010, 8:15 GMT

    oooooo...... it's gonna be close between Murray and Dujon. Didn't see Murray but I have had the honor of seeing Dujon in his prime.

  • POSTED BY mikeindex on | July 6, 2010, 7:31 GMT

    Where on earth is Gerry Alexander?

  • POSTED BY on | July 6, 2010, 7:14 GMT

    I can't wait to see the whole WI all time XI... GO WEST INDIES!

  • POSTED BY on | July 6, 2010, 7:09 GMT

    Delta20 probably has it right but it would be 'sexy' to include Walcott to keep instead of Dujon purely on his batting and competent if not awesome keeping. What about Kanhai...didn't he not keep wicket for a while? He would also bolster the batting. I think a glaring omission from the list would be Ridley Jacobs. Even though he was not graceful like Dujon, he was competent and having seen all of his caeer i can't remember him dropping a catch. he also kept succcessfully to spin (more spinners were played with him behind than most of those on the list). He was also a very decent batsmen in all formats.

  • POSTED BY tomemy on | July 6, 2010, 7:04 GMT

    This side would never need to many runs from there No. 7. So it would be best to pick the best keeper/bat rather than the best bat/keeper, so it has to be Jeffrey Dujon. My side would be: G.Greenidge, D.Haynes, G.Headley, V.Richards, B.Lara, G.Sobers, J.Dujon, M.Marshall, A.Roberts, C.Ambrose and M.Holding with Frank Worrall carrying the drinks. Plenty of players to choose from though including Weekes, Walcott, Seymour Nurse, Chanderpaul, Garner, Walsh, Lance Gibbs and Wes Hall. There 2nd best side would beat most teams 1st 'best side'

  • POSTED BY karsan on | July 6, 2010, 6:51 GMT

    Good points, kingstonsfinest! Having seen all, except Clyde Walcott, who made his own mark as a batsman, Deryck Murray's resorc speaks for itself. What the records don't tell is that Deryck kept against Lance Gibbs, one of the finest, yet difficult bowler to keep against. Considering his quiet and consistent performance, Deryck Murray was more reliable behind the stumpsn than his Carribbean counter-parts. Just my 2 cents....

  • POSTED BY Aubmic on | July 6, 2010, 6:49 GMT

    I think with the amazing top order this team is going to have (i.e. Lara, richards, Headley, Sobers + openers), putting walcott as keeper would be unnessecary, and dujon would be a far better pick for his keeping ability.

  • POSTED BY on | July 6, 2010, 6:33 GMT

    IT has to be Jeffrey Dujon

  • POSTED BY BellCurve on | July 6, 2010, 6:13 GMT

    Always thought Dujon's footwork was poor. That is why he always had to dive to get to the ball.

  • POSTED BY on | July 6, 2010, 6:13 GMT

    Why are we even having this debate? Just give the gloves to Jeff Dujon already...

  • POSTED BY HLANGL on | July 6, 2010, 6:02 GMT

    Jeff Dujon may be the allround choice as the wicket keeper, though Clyde Walcott may be a far superior batsman. In any case, given the nature of the other players mentioned in this list, leaving out Ridly Jacobs without any mention may not be acceptable.

  • POSTED BY aditya2008 on | July 6, 2010, 5:32 GMT

    jeff dujon ought to walk into this side. real breeze.

  • POSTED BY Rydham on | July 6, 2010, 5:10 GMT

    Of course Dujon. His stats are much better than any other glove man !!

  • POSTED BY delta20 on | July 6, 2010, 4:51 GMT

    I haven't seen any of these keepers keeping or batting however I would like to put my opinion here. I have heard of Jeff Dujon more often than others. Looking at stats too he is superior to others. So if we look at the team from a pure wicketkeeper perspective then he should be an unanimous choice. His batting is also decent with an average of a touch below 32. However, if the all time XI team's batting is thought to be made more strong then Clyde walcott could be drafted into the side but we must also consider whether he would be a good choice as a WC in a team with fast bowlers of MM, CA, JG, MH, AR, WH calibre or not? Overall I would go for Jeff dujon as such my all time XI WI team looks like G. Greenidge, R. Fredericks, V. Richards, G. Headley, B. Lara, G. Sobers, J. Dujon, M. Marshall, M. Holding, J. Garner, C. Ambrose

  • POSTED BY mk49_van on | July 6, 2010, 4:41 GMT

    Dujon - great keeper, good bat!

  • POSTED BY andrew.henshaw on | July 6, 2010, 4:35 GMT

    This one's a tough one. For a batsmen-wicketkeeper you couldn't go past Walcott however if its a wicketkeeper-batsmen that we are after you'd have to go for Dujon..

  • POSTED BY Vivek.Bhandari on | July 6, 2010, 4:21 GMT

    One of the best among equals...Jeffrey Dujon...nothing to take away from others...but he's one of the most underrated characters of the Caribbean reign in the 70s and 80s...

  • POSTED BY kingstonsfinest on | July 6, 2010, 3:38 GMT

    Why would they put Clyde Walcot in there as a wicketkeeper when he was only keeper for a few tests while the others were career wicketkeepers? And it would be riddiculous to leave out Walcot out of this team, but you have to say the best wicketkeeper batsman the West Indies have ever had is Jeffry Dujon. But I find it interesting that they did not even give Ridley Jacobs a mention despite his 3 centuries and 14 fifties.

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  • POSTED BY kingstonsfinest on | July 6, 2010, 3:38 GMT

    Why would they put Clyde Walcot in there as a wicketkeeper when he was only keeper for a few tests while the others were career wicketkeepers? And it would be riddiculous to leave out Walcot out of this team, but you have to say the best wicketkeeper batsman the West Indies have ever had is Jeffry Dujon. But I find it interesting that they did not even give Ridley Jacobs a mention despite his 3 centuries and 14 fifties.

  • POSTED BY Vivek.Bhandari on | July 6, 2010, 4:21 GMT

    One of the best among equals...Jeffrey Dujon...nothing to take away from others...but he's one of the most underrated characters of the Caribbean reign in the 70s and 80s...

  • POSTED BY andrew.henshaw on | July 6, 2010, 4:35 GMT

    This one's a tough one. For a batsmen-wicketkeeper you couldn't go past Walcott however if its a wicketkeeper-batsmen that we are after you'd have to go for Dujon..

  • POSTED BY mk49_van on | July 6, 2010, 4:41 GMT

    Dujon - great keeper, good bat!

  • POSTED BY delta20 on | July 6, 2010, 4:51 GMT

    I haven't seen any of these keepers keeping or batting however I would like to put my opinion here. I have heard of Jeff Dujon more often than others. Looking at stats too he is superior to others. So if we look at the team from a pure wicketkeeper perspective then he should be an unanimous choice. His batting is also decent with an average of a touch below 32. However, if the all time XI team's batting is thought to be made more strong then Clyde walcott could be drafted into the side but we must also consider whether he would be a good choice as a WC in a team with fast bowlers of MM, CA, JG, MH, AR, WH calibre or not? Overall I would go for Jeff dujon as such my all time XI WI team looks like G. Greenidge, R. Fredericks, V. Richards, G. Headley, B. Lara, G. Sobers, J. Dujon, M. Marshall, M. Holding, J. Garner, C. Ambrose

  • POSTED BY Rydham on | July 6, 2010, 5:10 GMT

    Of course Dujon. His stats are much better than any other glove man !!

  • POSTED BY aditya2008 on | July 6, 2010, 5:32 GMT

    jeff dujon ought to walk into this side. real breeze.

  • POSTED BY HLANGL on | July 6, 2010, 6:02 GMT

    Jeff Dujon may be the allround choice as the wicket keeper, though Clyde Walcott may be a far superior batsman. In any case, given the nature of the other players mentioned in this list, leaving out Ridly Jacobs without any mention may not be acceptable.

  • POSTED BY on | July 6, 2010, 6:13 GMT

    Why are we even having this debate? Just give the gloves to Jeff Dujon already...

  • POSTED BY BellCurve on | July 6, 2010, 6:13 GMT

    Always thought Dujon's footwork was poor. That is why he always had to dive to get to the ball.