Fast bowlers August 31, 2010

Five fast men

Two from India's first Test, one from the era of spinners, a 90s stalwart, and a noughties hero make the quick bowlers shortlist
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For years the question asked most often about Indian cricket was, "Where are the fast bowlers?" or its variation, "In a country of a billion people etc." Despite the recent accomplishments of a Zaheer Khan or the sporadic successes of a Sreesanth or Ishant Sharma, fast bowling is not seen as an Indian thing, and Indians console themselves with a dose of pop psychology. This is the land of spin, they tell themselves, the seat of the triumph of brain over brawn. We prefer subtlety and cunning to brute force, they say, and thus make a virtue of necessity.

The few successful fast bowlers, therefore, have a place in folklore that is a tribute to their bucking the system, as it were.

Yet it wasn't always so. Before Indian wickets began to actively discourage fast bowling, and many captains did likewise, Mohammad Nissar and Amar Singh authored the finest first 20 minutes of any debut country. At Lord's in 1932, they reduced England to 11 for 2, Nissar clean-bowling both openers, who had only the previous week established the world-record partnership in first-class cricket.

Amar Singh's 7 for 86 in Chennai in the next series stood as a record for an Indian opening bowler till Kapil Dev went past it half a century later. In between, India had shine-removers rather than fast bowlers, although the likes of Ramakant Desai, who bowled an awkward bouncer, Karsan Ghavri and Madan Lal did prosper for a while. But it was those who succeeded Kapil - Chetan Sharma and Manoj Prabhakar initially, and then Javagal Srinath and Venkatesh Prasad, who carried the mantle.

The successes of Kapil and Srinath made it inevitable that India should find a new generation of quick men. India sometimes played with three seamers and a single spinner, and not one was a bits-and-pieces man. After the retirement of Anil Kumble, the question became: "Where are the spinners?" The faster men began to rule. A change from the days when a wicketkeeper opened the bowling, and such tearaways as Ajit Wadekar, Sunil Gavaskar, Tiger Pataudi and ML Jaisimha underwhelmed the opposition with their pace and swing.

The candidates

Javagal Srinath
If Kapil Dev inspired a generation of fast-medium bowlers, it was Srinath who shepherded them through the highs and lows. Not having watched Nissar in action, it is difficult to be certain, but Srinath was probably the fastest bowler India has produced. His 236 wickets from 67 Tests came at a better strike rate on the less helpful home wickets.

Kapil Dev
Held the world record, 434, for the most wickets, and in the years following the retirement of India's great spin bowlers carried the bowling attack on his broad and willing shoulders. Kapil's bowling was as much art as heart. He put both to good use for a decade and a half, with only occasional support from a brigade of lesser mortals who shared the new ball with him.

Zaheer Khan
Statistically second only to Kapil, with 242 wickets from 72 Tests, Zaheer discovered the joys of the yorker early, and continues to be the best of the pack of left-arm seamers who made their mark post-Srinath. Can take credit for a Test series win in England, where he was Man of the Series with 18 wickets in 2007.

Mohammad Nissar
Headed the bowling averages on India's first tour of England, in 1932. According to CB Fry, Nissar was faster than Harold Larwood, who in six months' time was to run through Australia in the Bodyline series. A strike rate of 48, even if only over six Tests, hinted at what might have been had his pace and stamina been at India's service in later years.

Amar Singh
Had the most wickets on India's first tour, 111, and in Wisden's judgement was "the best bowler seen in England since the War." Walter Hammond was more poetic, saying Amar Singh "came off the pitch like the crack of doom". Singh's 51 was India's highest score in their inaugural Test. With better support from the field, India's most potent new-ball attack might have surprised England.

We'll be publishing an all-time India XI based on readers' votes to go with our jury's XI. To pick your fast bowlers click here

Suresh Menon is a writer based in Bangalore

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  • AncientAstronaut on September 3, 2010, 20:44 GMT

    I don't even feel like voting, because the choices, except Kapil Dev, are so lame! It's shame that two of the candidates we have here have played less than 10 test matches. That clearly highlights the fact that India has never had world class fast bowlers. Zaheer and Srinath would never make any World XI. They are fine bowlers, but not world class. I'm looking forward to the spin nominations!

  • Biophysicist on September 3, 2010, 13:41 GMT

    After a lot of thought I have come up with the following all-time XI. 1. Gavaskar, 2. Sehwag, 3. Dravid, 4. Tendulkar, 5. Laxman, 6. Vinoo Mankad, 7. Kapil Dev, 8. Kirmani, 9. Amar Singh, 10. Kumble, 11. Srinath. The team will be strong in pace bowling with Amar Singh, Kapil Dev and Srinath. In the spin department also, it is quite good with Mankad (left arm spin) and Kumble (right arm leg spin). Additional support can come from Sehwag and Tendulkar. With Kapil coming at no. 7 and Kirmani at 8, the batting has depth. Finally, even Kumble who comes at 10 has a test 100 and five 50s! Kirmani is the best wk for India if you consider his long career. Fielding is also pretty good with Dravid and Laxman in the slips. Overall, the team should do well against the other all time XIs. The key strength is the batting with 3 batsmen who crossed 10000 test runs and one more (Sehwag) who will one day reach that mark.

  • ssjohn on September 2, 2010, 15:20 GMT

    Anil Kumble - 11, Erapalli Anantharao Srinivas Prasanna - 10, Mohammad Nissar - 9, Amar Singh - 8, M.S Dhoni - 7, Vinoo Mankad/Kapil Dev (Depending on Conditions) - 6 Gundappa Rangnath Viswanath - 5, Sachin Tendulkar - 4, Rahul Dravid - 3, Sunil Gavaskar - 2, Virender Sehwag - 1

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 14:46 GMT

    while i still opt for laxman (safe close in catcher too) over hazare i agree that hazare is a most worthy close contender; to be fair to hazare apart from losing many of his best years to ww2 his away average deteriorated by playing on too long to 1953; his away avg otherwise till 1952 was about 44 and above 40 in both eng and aust; and no1 matches his phenomenal home record; but he is not the only indian cricketer whose record suffered by playing on a few seasons too long nor the only to have been unfortunate to be selected for tests later than he ought to have been (unavoidably in his case); nor the only international cricketer whose career suffered due to ww2. i still opt for laxman at no 5 (also as his avg 49 at no 5 his higher than hazare's 47 at no 5 and since laxman over 40 in rsa with overall fastest wickets, faster than eng/aust wickets of hazare's times though austr had lindwall/miller, eng bedser 46 trueman 52) but yes its a truly close call and a most serious candidate

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 14:19 GMT

    actually the format 2 pace 2 spin plus 1 allrounder is fair; other teams had 1 spinner; this recognises india's strength in spin vs pace; and this makes for 'balance'. the issue is really who is the allrounder kapil or mankad? choosing kapil gives the better genuine allrounder (higher batting avg than bowling avg) and much higher batting average at 6-9 than mankad and 3 seamers (more effective away) while choosing mankad would mean playing 3 spinners when in most cases even at home when india played 3 (even 4 sometimes) spinners only 1-2 have really carried the attack and would be far less effective away. apart from risk to middle order since mankad scored heavily as opener not in middle. mankad was a fair decent fielder n good of his own bowling but kapil was better athlete n overall much better fielder

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 14:01 GMT

    i agree with nissar, amar singh selection but given allrounder kapil's outswing new ball success n amar singh's reputed leg cutters with not so new ball i would open with nissar, kapil with amar as 3rd seamer, rather than kapil as 3rd seamer; early kapil n amar were similar brisk medium rather than genuine pace. while i believe chetan was unlucky not to be in contention the truly unlucky pacers with inadequate opportunities and thus can't be contenders but surely rated a mention were shute banerjee n t a sekhar; i would still opt for nissar n amar singh even if chetan, banerjee, sekhar were contenders. ramji of course was in the 20s before india played tests

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 13:50 GMT

    i believe that the australian 1st xi in 67-68 and 85 was similar batting as australian 2nd xi in 77-78 and bowling weaker as 77-78 team had express jeff thomson; also australian wkts early 50s-early 80s were rated faster than australian pitches in the preceding and subsequent 3 decades each. for these reasons i rate 77-78 tour performances despite packer effect ahead of 67-68 and 85-86 aust tour performances; i admit this may be slightly unfair to pataudi n prasanna but this value judgement remains i chose bedi for variety, and since i feel bedi/chandra 70s were the leading spin twins in history ahead of ramadhin/valentine 50s; and also as good captain potential especially as his test bowling average as captain (6 series, 4 away including pak 78 disaster) was below 25/wkt. i rate tamhane a better keeper than kiri but kiri the better bat

  • ashishkumar36 on September 2, 2010, 13:32 GMT

    I am not able to understand, why our jury went with only two specialist fast bowlers, It should be three. If I select Mankad as an allrounder, then I have only two options remaining for fast bowlers - One is quite obvious - Kapil Dev and other...? Actually I want to choose Amar Singh and Nissar as Fast bowling duo. As this pair of Fast Bowling is the best opening fast bowling pair EVER produced by India. Kapil can give them good support as third seamer. Srinath can also be chosen....but I will definitly go with Amar Singh and Nissar. So in my bowing I have five options. Amarsingh, Nissar and Kapil for Fast Bowing and Kumble and Mankad for Spin. We can also choose Gupte insted of Kumble.

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 12:04 GMT

    also australia, nz in 67-69 had for them below par teams, nz had weak batting and no richard hadlee (but a good seam attack) and australia like mid-80s had for them relatively weak teams especially the pace attacks; for this reason i disregarded finally the otherwise fine performances by pataudi n prasanna down under in 67-68; i feel austr 77-78 were stronger or at least equal despite packer impact; i do admit though that gupte is unlucky not to make my AT XI as I also wanted bedi as captain n for variety n since his bowling average as captain (below 25- 4/6 series away) was exceptional n since bedi/chandra in 70s made perhaps the best spin pair in history ahead of 50s ramadhin/valentine; but gupte s fine performances in windies 53 (windies had the 3 w's all fine players of spin, good batting wkts), pakistan (hanif n mats) 54-55, and vs strong team in eng 59 in wet green conditions makes him the strongest contender not in my AT XI apart from Engineer who wasn't in contention

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 11:45 GMT

    sri averaged nearly 60/wkt in australia n poorly away vs other major teams save admittedly good performance in rsa which has had fastest pitches other than perth n barbados in past 20 years; zak's (n irfan') away average is due mainly to performances in zim, bd, nz and in zak's case a good tour of england in 2007; however, in 2007 his performance in england is less than chetan sharma's in 1986 vs a stronger english team and chetan isn't in contention and didn't even rate a mention; chetan's wkts/test and average suffers due to poor home performance; away performance was better than most indian bowlers- away average about 33, 3.5 wkts/away test, away sr 57

  • AncientAstronaut on September 3, 2010, 20:44 GMT

    I don't even feel like voting, because the choices, except Kapil Dev, are so lame! It's shame that two of the candidates we have here have played less than 10 test matches. That clearly highlights the fact that India has never had world class fast bowlers. Zaheer and Srinath would never make any World XI. They are fine bowlers, but not world class. I'm looking forward to the spin nominations!

  • Biophysicist on September 3, 2010, 13:41 GMT

    After a lot of thought I have come up with the following all-time XI. 1. Gavaskar, 2. Sehwag, 3. Dravid, 4. Tendulkar, 5. Laxman, 6. Vinoo Mankad, 7. Kapil Dev, 8. Kirmani, 9. Amar Singh, 10. Kumble, 11. Srinath. The team will be strong in pace bowling with Amar Singh, Kapil Dev and Srinath. In the spin department also, it is quite good with Mankad (left arm spin) and Kumble (right arm leg spin). Additional support can come from Sehwag and Tendulkar. With Kapil coming at no. 7 and Kirmani at 8, the batting has depth. Finally, even Kumble who comes at 10 has a test 100 and five 50s! Kirmani is the best wk for India if you consider his long career. Fielding is also pretty good with Dravid and Laxman in the slips. Overall, the team should do well against the other all time XIs. The key strength is the batting with 3 batsmen who crossed 10000 test runs and one more (Sehwag) who will one day reach that mark.

  • ssjohn on September 2, 2010, 15:20 GMT

    Anil Kumble - 11, Erapalli Anantharao Srinivas Prasanna - 10, Mohammad Nissar - 9, Amar Singh - 8, M.S Dhoni - 7, Vinoo Mankad/Kapil Dev (Depending on Conditions) - 6 Gundappa Rangnath Viswanath - 5, Sachin Tendulkar - 4, Rahul Dravid - 3, Sunil Gavaskar - 2, Virender Sehwag - 1

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 14:46 GMT

    while i still opt for laxman (safe close in catcher too) over hazare i agree that hazare is a most worthy close contender; to be fair to hazare apart from losing many of his best years to ww2 his away average deteriorated by playing on too long to 1953; his away avg otherwise till 1952 was about 44 and above 40 in both eng and aust; and no1 matches his phenomenal home record; but he is not the only indian cricketer whose record suffered by playing on a few seasons too long nor the only to have been unfortunate to be selected for tests later than he ought to have been (unavoidably in his case); nor the only international cricketer whose career suffered due to ww2. i still opt for laxman at no 5 (also as his avg 49 at no 5 his higher than hazare's 47 at no 5 and since laxman over 40 in rsa with overall fastest wickets, faster than eng/aust wickets of hazare's times though austr had lindwall/miller, eng bedser 46 trueman 52) but yes its a truly close call and a most serious candidate

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 14:19 GMT

    actually the format 2 pace 2 spin plus 1 allrounder is fair; other teams had 1 spinner; this recognises india's strength in spin vs pace; and this makes for 'balance'. the issue is really who is the allrounder kapil or mankad? choosing kapil gives the better genuine allrounder (higher batting avg than bowling avg) and much higher batting average at 6-9 than mankad and 3 seamers (more effective away) while choosing mankad would mean playing 3 spinners when in most cases even at home when india played 3 (even 4 sometimes) spinners only 1-2 have really carried the attack and would be far less effective away. apart from risk to middle order since mankad scored heavily as opener not in middle. mankad was a fair decent fielder n good of his own bowling but kapil was better athlete n overall much better fielder

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 14:01 GMT

    i agree with nissar, amar singh selection but given allrounder kapil's outswing new ball success n amar singh's reputed leg cutters with not so new ball i would open with nissar, kapil with amar as 3rd seamer, rather than kapil as 3rd seamer; early kapil n amar were similar brisk medium rather than genuine pace. while i believe chetan was unlucky not to be in contention the truly unlucky pacers with inadequate opportunities and thus can't be contenders but surely rated a mention were shute banerjee n t a sekhar; i would still opt for nissar n amar singh even if chetan, banerjee, sekhar were contenders. ramji of course was in the 20s before india played tests

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 13:50 GMT

    i believe that the australian 1st xi in 67-68 and 85 was similar batting as australian 2nd xi in 77-78 and bowling weaker as 77-78 team had express jeff thomson; also australian wkts early 50s-early 80s were rated faster than australian pitches in the preceding and subsequent 3 decades each. for these reasons i rate 77-78 tour performances despite packer effect ahead of 67-68 and 85-86 aust tour performances; i admit this may be slightly unfair to pataudi n prasanna but this value judgement remains i chose bedi for variety, and since i feel bedi/chandra 70s were the leading spin twins in history ahead of ramadhin/valentine 50s; and also as good captain potential especially as his test bowling average as captain (6 series, 4 away including pak 78 disaster) was below 25/wkt. i rate tamhane a better keeper than kiri but kiri the better bat

  • ashishkumar36 on September 2, 2010, 13:32 GMT

    I am not able to understand, why our jury went with only two specialist fast bowlers, It should be three. If I select Mankad as an allrounder, then I have only two options remaining for fast bowlers - One is quite obvious - Kapil Dev and other...? Actually I want to choose Amar Singh and Nissar as Fast bowling duo. As this pair of Fast Bowling is the best opening fast bowling pair EVER produced by India. Kapil can give them good support as third seamer. Srinath can also be chosen....but I will definitly go with Amar Singh and Nissar. So in my bowing I have five options. Amarsingh, Nissar and Kapil for Fast Bowing and Kumble and Mankad for Spin. We can also choose Gupte insted of Kumble.

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 12:04 GMT

    also australia, nz in 67-69 had for them below par teams, nz had weak batting and no richard hadlee (but a good seam attack) and australia like mid-80s had for them relatively weak teams especially the pace attacks; for this reason i disregarded finally the otherwise fine performances by pataudi n prasanna down under in 67-68; i feel austr 77-78 were stronger or at least equal despite packer impact; i do admit though that gupte is unlucky not to make my AT XI as I also wanted bedi as captain n for variety n since his bowling average as captain (below 25- 4/6 series away) was exceptional n since bedi/chandra in 70s made perhaps the best spin pair in history ahead of 50s ramadhin/valentine; but gupte s fine performances in windies 53 (windies had the 3 w's all fine players of spin, good batting wkts), pakistan (hanif n mats) 54-55, and vs strong team in eng 59 in wet green conditions makes him the strongest contender not in my AT XI apart from Engineer who wasn't in contention

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 11:45 GMT

    sri averaged nearly 60/wkt in australia n poorly away vs other major teams save admittedly good performance in rsa which has had fastest pitches other than perth n barbados in past 20 years; zak's (n irfan') away average is due mainly to performances in zim, bd, nz and in zak's case a good tour of england in 2007; however, in 2007 his performance in england is less than chetan sharma's in 1986 vs a stronger english team and chetan isn't in contention and didn't even rate a mention; chetan's wkts/test and average suffers due to poor home performance; away performance was better than most indian bowlers- away average about 33, 3.5 wkts/away test, away sr 57

  • anreddy9 on September 2, 2010, 8:54 GMT

    Kapil will come in a bowler and as an alrounder...eitherways. The rest can be Sri followed by Zak.

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 8:38 GMT

    since we should follow cricinfo's format n contenders i would have to substitute fm engineer who i personally would select in that case my AT XI would be merchant, gavaskar, amarnath, tendulkar, laxman, kapil dev, amar singh, kirmani, bedi (though gupte, pras, or kumble could each be a worthy substitute), nissar, chandra 12th man pataudi; my captain would be bedi; i'd be concerned with lower middle 6-8 batting especially away; thats why i personally would opt for engineer at 6 instead of kiri at 8 or why a case for mankad at 7 or 8 instead of bedi at 9 could be made

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 8:29 GMT

    consistency over a period is fine but quality of opponents needs to be also considered high away scores vs bd, nz (save 76 and 81), or sl pre 2000 or windies/pakistan 2004-09 need to be disregarded and bowling vs zim, bd, nz should be disregarded; after that look at away records; both azhar n zak (irfan too) fall by the way side (zak's 18 wkts in eng 2007 notwithstanding, still less than chetan sharma in eng 86), viru, dhoni n dravid's away record also would be reconsidered; dravid has been consistent n excelled away save in rsa which had best pace/fastest pitches most of his career n sl best home spin cum pace attack overall during his career; similarly for AT XIs cricketers ought not to be penalised because they played fewer tests; most surviving english cricket fans/legends who saw merchant still rate him technically the best indian batsman ahead of even sunny n sachin (i personally would rate the latter 2 best not having seen merchant); m amarnath, gupte would benefit hereby

  • buntyj on September 2, 2010, 8:04 GMT

    i accept that merchant hazare lala amarnath n shute banerjeee lost their best years to ww2 (not mankad as compton who played ranji in india during the war years rated elahi well ahead of mankad at the time, mankads best bowling years 45-52); despite that i would point out that hazares home and away averages (despite centuries at adelaide 48 and an 89 in eng 52) are wide apart, 30s away, 60s at home; so i won't select him in my AT XI. it will be interesting to take the proposed Indian AT XI and take their away averages /averages at batting spot and compare them to other AT XIs

  • Biophysicist on September 2, 2010, 7:53 GMT

    @ manasvi_lingam - While Hazare has a good overall record that compares well with Laxman, the fact that his home vs away averages (69.56 vs 35.96) are quite different shows that he was largely a home ground success. On the other hand Laxman's averages are very similar for home vs away tests (48.87 and 46.06) and demostrate that he is successful both at home and in other countries. In an earlier post I noted that his averages in different countries (lowest 37.42 in Pak to a high of 54.05 against Aus) are more consistent than all other middle order batsman considered for the third batsman position (apart from openers). Although Hazare played only in 4 countries, his lowest avarage is 19.4 in WI and highest in India (69.56). Clearly not only his performances are not consistent across all countries he played, but also his overall average is boosted by high average in India. Clearly VVS is the better choice as the No. 5 batsman for India.

  • TMS8137 on September 2, 2010, 6:59 GMT

    Why does everybody pick XI's with their own choice of player types. this is the format we have been given. 2 openers, 3 batsmen, 1 allrounder,1 keeper, 2 pacers and 2 spinners. does nobody care about this format. Stop picking so many batsmen? what if we have to bowl against the australian or windies attack with what 4 bowlers? C'mon!!!

  • Biophysicist on September 2, 2010, 5:37 GMT

    VVS Laxman has a better overall record above Azhar, Vishy and Vengsarkar as a batsman and is also an outstanding slip fielder (118 catches). His current batting average is above 47 (Vishy and Vengsarkar have ~42, Azhar has ~45). In different countries the average of VVS ranges from a low of 37.42 in Pak to a high of 54.05 against Aus. On the other hand, Vishy's average ranges between 26.1 (NZ) and 47.3 (Ind), whereas Vengsarkar's ranges between 24.94 (WI) and 55.59 (Eng). Azhar has very low average in Aus (27.72), WI (19.55) and SA (23.33), but a high in NZ (74.4). His lowest average is 5.66 (in Zim)!! Clearly VVS has a better average, and is also more consistent over all conditions. Finally, none of other other three scored an innings that can be compared to his 281 in Kolkata! Clearly, even if you consider Azhar despite his ban, he is not as good as VVS!! Perhaps, if he did not indulge in match fixing and played to his true potential, he might have done better, but that is a BIG IF!!

  • manasvi_lingam on September 2, 2010, 4:23 GMT

    The whole Vishy vs Azhar vs Laxman is absurd. All those using stats one way or the other go and take a long look at the great Vijay Samuel Hazare. The best we have ever had probably. He played in a very weak team, lost his peak years to war and played in hostile conditions against greats such as Lindwall and Miller. And he averaged 47! In this modern era, he would have done so much better in such a strong lineup as we have today. The middle order picks itself: Tendulkar, Dravid and Hazare. The openers is difficult but I'd go with Sehwag ahead of Merchant since both Merchant and Sunny have similar styles. Bowling, as I mentioned should go to Srinath and Amar Singh. The all-rounder based on the pitch is Kapil or Mankad. The two spinners should be Kumble and Prasanna. Our No. 6 is not a very strong batsman so I'd go with Dhoni over Kirmani. And Kunderan would have been my 1st choice if he was listed followed by Engineer who wasn't listed as well.

  • thisgameislife on September 2, 2010, 4:18 GMT

    @sanchapanzo - haha, like your sense of humor. johnson was indeed the fastest indian. in his run-up, that is. he could have reached the batsmen faster than the ball if he kept running after his delivery stride, however.

  • Waqar_Hassan on September 2, 2010, 2:53 GMT

    Well my dear Indian Brothers, I am from Lahore, Pakistan. I don't think india need to worry about its bowling department because they have bowlers who can consistently and who will not go for match fixing like our bowler did. We have a good bowling attack filled with pace bowlers but you know what... they cannot win a match because they are sold..... India have good batsmen, good fielders and good bowlers who play for their country not like our stupid and idiot players who took money and lost the match intentionally.....

  • paperpadi on September 2, 2010, 2:14 GMT

    How does it make sense to pick Kapil Dev as both an all rounder and a fast bowler?????

  • Bryan999 on September 2, 2010, 1:47 GMT

    Already voted Kapil Dev in the allrounder slot. My votes for the two slots of fast bowlers for India all time XI from the list of five goes to 'Mohammad Nissar & Amar Singh'. These two justify the fact for INDIA too that 'Pacers hunt in pair'. Kapil was lonesome one from the era of spinners and so was Srinath from 90's stalwart and lonely Zaheer (who keeps strugling with fitness) from the noughties hero...w/o any doubt, two from India's first Test are the 'FIRST-CHOICE' for me...

  • RayShaumik on September 2, 2010, 1:21 GMT

    Kapil Dev is an automatic choice in the Team like Sachin, Dravid and Gavaskar... But how come he is nominated both in the all-rounder as well as in the fast bowling lists?? Is it allowed??

  • sanchapanzo on September 2, 2010, 0:00 GMT

    David Johnson definitely was quicker than Srinath ..

  • Rumy1 on September 1, 2010, 22:31 GMT

    Citing ban as a disqualification for Azhar is plain naivety. BCCI itself fecilitated this batting genius a few years ago. The matter is subjudice and we are reaching conclusions. On Vishy vs Azhar for No.5 slot in All Time list, in Tests, Vishy has 155 innings, 6080 runs, Avg. 41.9 with 14 centuries and 35 fiftys and has 63 catches against Azharuddin's 147 innings, 6215 runs, Avg. 45.03 with 22 centuries and 21 fiftys and has 105 catches. So Azhar wins here. In ODI's, Vishy has 25 ODIs with 23 innings, Avg. 19.95 with zero centuries and 2 fiftys and 3 catches to his name against Azhar's 334 ODIs with 308 innings, Avg. 36.92 with 7 hundreds and 58 fiftys and 156 catches to his name. No brainer who wins here. In first class cricket, Vishy has 486 innings with 17970 runs at Avg of 40.93 with 44 hundreds and 89 fiftys where as Azhar has 343 innings, 15855 runs at a super Avg. of 51.98 with 54 hundreds and 74 fiftys. No wonder Azhar wins here too. Draw conclusion now. It's Azhar hands down.

  • happy-go-lucky on September 1, 2010, 19:15 GMT

    Ok guys. first of all, once a player has been banned for matching fixing, then he should not be in contention for this list also, even though this is a hypothetical list. By that count, Azhar is disqualified. Even though he never accepted this in public, Hansie Cronje, some bookies and other players have mentioned his name and as per CBI he himself made a confession (the famous - maine match banaya hai). That's enough proof for me.

    Even if he is untainted, he still is not a better test batsman that Laxman. Laxman has played numerous match saving and winning contributions in varied conditions against varied attacks.

    The same cannot be said about Azhar. Not to mention he has attitude problems. Remember how he carelessly batted after Sachin was made captain?

  • KAIRAVA on September 1, 2010, 18:47 GMT

    Based on all critical parameters of stats, my All-time India XI would be:

    FOR HOME MATCHES:

    1. Sunil Gavaskar, 2. Virender Sehwag, 3. Rahul Dravid, 4. Sachin Tendulkar, 5. Gundappa Vishwanath, 6. Vijay Hazare, 7. Kapil Dev, 8. Syed Kirmani, 9. Amar Singh, 10. Anil Kumble, 11. Bishen Bedi

    FOR AWAY MATCHES: 1. Sunil Gavaskar, 2. Virender Sehwag, 3. Rahul Dravid, 4. Sachin Tendulkar, 5. Gundappa Vishwanath, 6. Vijay Hazare, 7. Kapil Dev, 8. Syed Kirmani, 9. Amar Singh, 10. Mohd. Nissar, 11. Bhagwath Chandrasekhar

  • sanzo5 on September 1, 2010, 17:49 GMT

    azhar has better convertion rate than any one else in indian team... and he is a terrific test batsmen and there is no doubt about that... no wrong comments about azhar plzzzz.....

  • buntyj on September 1, 2010, 17:42 GMT

    @majr- i agree ; dravid played early cricket on mats, and sobers etc have testified to impact of tennis ball cricket in youth in windies; but coir mats have greater bounce than jute mats used in india

  • buntyj on September 1, 2010, 17:38 GMT

    apart from match fixing ban and well known vulnerability to short pitched bowling azharuddin's away average of 36 was nearly 20 below home average and 10 below career average; away average was also bolstered in nz and sl; he averaged under 20 in windies, under 30 in australia and rsa; it is a puzzle how he is even a contender for the AT XI

  • Biophysicist on September 1, 2010, 17:07 GMT

    I see a lot of people preferring Azharuddin as the No. 5 batsman, ahead of Laxman, who has played many outstanding rescue acts for India. I cannot understand how someone like Azhar (who was banned for life for match-fixing) can be chosen and a player like Laxman (who was always totally committed to the team cause) is omitted. If one looks at career averages also, Laxman is better than Azhar.

  • VENKATASAIPRAVEEN on September 1, 2010, 15:09 GMT

    My choice of pace bowlers would be Kapil, Srinath, Zaheer.Kapil should make it to the team as a genuine allrounder.Although India has produced a number of great batsmen like Sachin, Dravid, Gavaskar ,there are not many genuine quick bowlers in our country. The team would be 1. Viru ( very aggressive and hence influential) 2. Gavaskar 3. Dravid (one of the best no. 3's in the world with a sound technique) ,4. Tendulkar (needless to mention about this man,an automatic choice) 5. Laxman (played some crucial knocks for India under pressure) 6. Kapil (India's best allrounder) 7. Dhoni (best wicketkeeper-batsman for India) 8. Anil Kumble( spin wizard) 9. Zak (his left arm action adds variety to the bowling) 10 . Srinath 11. Harbhajan.

  • Nampally on September 1, 2010, 13:33 GMT

    I am sorry but I feel that the "All Time" Indian team will not do justice to the old timers despite their greatness. Most of the commenters have not heard of the greats of the old time let alone seen any of them in action partly due to lack of Televised cricket at thet time. The statistics do not do justice to them either because they played so few tests compared to modern 3 format year round criiketers. The jury itself is so young and does not contain any old timers such as say, Bapu Nadkarni , Borde, Surti, Durrani to present the old timers' case. I have seen exclusion of Engineer & Kundaram from WK - Hazare, Mankad & Umrigar, Merchant never got much coverage. Nissar & Amar singh are getting cold shoulder as most have not heard of them. Similarly the spinners such as Gupte- the greatest leg spinner even in comparison to Warne & Benaud, will be ignored just because he did not get enough wickets. I do not think this is a fair selection of "All Time" India 11. It is a "Modern" India 11

  • thisgameislife on September 1, 2010, 13:24 GMT

    since kapil makes it to the team as an allrounder (and he would make it to most country's shortlists as an allrounder), choosing 2 pacers was a 4 horse race. amar singh and nissar - played too little, and cannot include both of them ignoring 'proven over time' factor. from what i read, nissar nudges ahead of amar singh. srinath is an honourable mention, but not in my team - just not the temperament. call it the circumstances of his time, but he became a workhorse instead of a racehorse. plus he never had the SWING factor. zak is still a work in progress - burst on the scene well, faded away, but came back with more variety and subtlety. in the end - kapil, nissar, and zak make up my swing and seam attack.

  • Nampally on September 1, 2010, 13:15 GMT

    @Kairova: Thank you for including the first class statistics of Nissar & Amar Singh. As I had stated in my comments these 2 were the best fast bowlers India has ever produced. They lacked all the advantages of travel, food, medical facilities, Physio and huge payouts the modern cricketers enjoy. Yet they performed brilliantly. They drew the highest praise from legends - CB Fry, W.Hammond & L.Hutton. Also almost all the tests which Nissar & Amar singh played were against England, the top cricketing nation at that time. Amar played 7 test claiming 28 wickets at an average of 30 while Nissar played 6 tests claiming 25 wickets at an average of 28. Kapil has played 131 tests for 434 wkts at an avarage of 29.6 and Zaheer played 72 tests claiming 242 wkts. at an average of 33. While Amar & Nissar had almost 4 wkts./test Kapil & ZAK had about 3 wkts/test and at a higher runs/wkt.When we judge an "All Time" team, Nissar & Amar lacked opportunities of ZAK & Kapil. Why Penalize them?

  • Rumy1 on September 1, 2010, 10:17 GMT

    All Time India XI must not be based on simply the player's potential or glimpses of talent in patches. Instead their place in All Time team must be holistically based on an international track record of achievements, proven skills, potential converted into consistent contribution and spread over a long span of time. All Time team also needs to be a balanced team capable to take on the best.

    Based on these factors, clearly All Time X1 looks like this....Sunil Gavaskar [best opener of all time], Virender Sehwag [true match winner, an opening great of all time], Rahul Dravid [best No.3 India ever had], Sachin Tendulkar [best Indian batsman ever], Mohd. Azharuddin [best batting artiste and fittest Indian fielder ever], Kapil Dev [best allrounder India produced], Syed Kirmani [safest Indian head and hands behind stumps], Javagal Srinath [fastest Indian ever], Zaheer Khan [best left arm quickie], Anil Kumble [spin legend] and BS Chandrashekhar [matchwinner]. 12th Man:Harbhajan Singh

  • Navillus on September 1, 2010, 9:07 GMT

    I will continue with the process triggred off by the ridiculous wicketkleeping selections ... to create a team with the players ignored by this selection committee.

    Openers: Gautam Gambhir (best left handed batsman for India at least in tests - sorry dada fans, but it is true) , ML Apte (test average 48), Mustaq Ali Middle Order: Vijay Manjrekar, Vinod Kambli (test av 54 if he played as many testsa as Dada he may have ended up with more runs), R.S: Modi (test av 46), Chandu Borde (class allrounder as well) All rounder: Ravi Shastri, Bapu Nadkarni , Salim Durrani, Irfan Pathan Wicket Keepers: Farokh Engineer, Hindlekar, Kunderan Medium Pacers (we can't call the Indian pacers fast men): Ramkant Desai, Krasan Ghavri (both decent bats as well), Venkatesh Prasad

    In an Indian team two pacemen are enough ... if we go with two of Desai, Ghavri, Venky, Pathan (Venky and Pathan at their peaks were pretty decent)... we should not be too poor in that area. Indian pace will be mediocre

  • buntyj on September 1, 2010, 7:02 GMT

    nissar's away sr of 42.6 was in eng where the wet, uncovered greentops didnt suit hs ihit the deck style as well as pitches in aust, rsa or windies would have

  • Percy_Fender on September 1, 2010, 6:46 GMT

    It may be a useful idea to play on matting wickets at the lower levels in India as they used to in the earlier days.And maybe like they still do in Pakistan, bowl with the taped up tennis balls.It is possibly the best way of creating fast bowlers. In the earlier days we had some pretty good fast bowlers and batsmen who were compulsive hookers like the Mushtaqs the Hazares the Mankads the Manjrekars the Bordes and the Sardesais were. Bowlers like Nissar and Amar were not only very fast but were hardy as well. I would definitely have Nissar, Amar and Kapil if I could fit them.This would have been as potent a fast bowling trio as any in history. With Mankad and Prasanna or Kumble, I cannot think of a more versatile bowling attack.The final fictional selection will depend upon the type of wicket on offer !

  • tusharsb on September 1, 2010, 6:23 GMT

    All time ASIA XI 1 Sunil Gavaskar 2 Sehwag 3 Dravid 4 Sachin 5 Zaheer Abbas 6 Kumar Sangakkara 7 Imran Khan 8 Kapil Dev 9 Wasim Akram 10 Waquar 11 Muralitharan

  • tusharsb on September 1, 2010, 6:21 GMT

    My All Time Indian XI : 1. Gavaskar - regarded as the best opener ever(ask Richie Benaud, Sobers, Lloyd...) (made copious run against best attacks - WI/AUS/Pak ) 2.Sehwag 3. Dravid 4.Tendulkar 5.Laxman (won us quite a few really difficult to win matches, Vishy had his share of failures, Ganguly tho grt ODI batsman and good test player ..had his issues against real fast bowling, Azhar just misses out) 6 Vinoo Mankad/Hazare/... (Mankad was an outstanding alrounder! Hazare was good batsman who could also bowl useful medium pace with really good first class record) 7.Dhoni/Engineer 8.kapil 9.ZaK/Prasanna/Md Nissar (Don't know how good were Mhd Nissar and Amar Singh!). 10.Srinath 11. S Gupte (Regarded as best spinner ever by people who saw him .. likes of Sobers; did not need pitch to assist him unlike others! Chandra just misses out) People should look at the player's records all over the world (E.g. Kumble, Bhajji aren't as effective overseas ..even Bedi for that matter

  • thisgameislife on September 1, 2010, 4:52 GMT

    @gaurav569 - wow, wish we could have 2 of them. really, what a gaffe by this so called expert panel.

  • buntyj on September 1, 2010, 3:36 GMT

    chetan sharma ought to have been in contention (unlucky not to tour bd, zim) along with zak, brisk medium, similar in some ways to desai, won 2 tests for india in 86 eng with a 10 for match, overall sr 56.8, 57 away, away average 33.57 (less than19 in eng) and 3.5 wkts per test away; but i would still opt for nissar n amar singh

  • KAIRAVA on September 1, 2010, 3:31 GMT

    Due to their limited international exposure (in circumstances not within their control), we get a clearer picture of how talented Amar & Nissar were by observing at some of their first class (FC) bowling stats and compare them with Kapil, Srinath & Zaheer. AMAR SINGH FC record: 92 matches, Wkts: 506, Avg: 18.3, Strike rate: 46.8 ; MOHD NISSAR FC record: 93 matches, Wkts: 396, Avg: 17.7, Strike rate: 38.0 ; KAPIL DEV FC record: 275 matches, Wkts; 875, Avg: 27.09, Strike rate: 58.5 ; JAVAGAL SRINATH FC record: 147 matches, Wkts; 533, Avg: 26.3, Strike rate: 53.6 ; ZAHEER KHAN FC record: 136 matches, Wkts; 561, Avg: 27.6, Strike rate: 49.7 .

    Some can argue that pitches of the last 30 years or so have been more batsmen friendly & hence they pick of Kapil, Srinath & Zaheer in the XI. But they also need to understand that the number of batsman of the generation of Amar & Nissar who averaged more than 55 is significantly more than that of the generation of Kapil, Srinath & Zaheer's !!!!

  • buntyj on September 1, 2010, 3:07 GMT

    chetan sharma couldve been a candidate- he won 2 tests for india in eng in 86; or at least get a mention; amar singh wasnt genuine pace, but brisk medium like desai, zak or early kapil; but amar singh was a bowler of rare quality who used the not so new ball particularly wel, similar in some ways to tate, bedser and fazall; shute banerjee also deserved a mention; and pre 32 there were ramji and a parsi pacer; zak's away record is inflated by performances in nz, bd, zim; his real success abroad was the 2007 eng tour.

  • deepaksam on September 1, 2010, 0:25 GMT

    Sunil Gavaskar, Virender Sehwag, Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, GR Vishvanath, Mohinder Amarnath, Kapil Dev, Syed Kirmani, Amar, Nissar, Anil Kumble/Chandrasekhar and Bedi.

  • WoundedSplinter on August 31, 2010, 22:17 GMT

    ... and it probably won't help Amar Singh, although I think it should, but it's good to know that he played for Ranji's Nawanagar team. I think there has to be an element of romance in a team like this, so I'm definitely recommending Len Hutton's "crack of doom." He died tragically early (typhoid or pneumonia, take your pick, at the age of 29), and the second world war would have got in the way, but it's hard not to see him as a true star of India.

  • BillyCC on August 31, 2010, 22:14 GMT

    Rumy1, I'm glad the expert panel does not have the same narrow thinking that you do. I agree with trueanalyst, players who miss out on a long cricketing career through no fault of their own should not be excluded from these teams. In such cases, it is up to the experts to research thoroughly about these players and come up with ways of comparing their merits against players who have a long track record. It is after all an All-Time team, not a Team of the 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s.

  • WoundedSplinter on August 31, 2010, 22:00 GMT

    Wouldn't it be a little odd to include Mohammad Nissar in an Indian side? Effectively, he was a Pakistani. On the other side of the coin, I can't imagine an all-time Indian team without Ranjitsinhji, and I don't care *which* team he played for.

  • lodger67 on August 31, 2010, 21:03 GMT

    at dpathak, come on, Amarnath? He took 32 wickets in 69 matches at an avge of 55, and you are "very surprised" that he is not on the list? Binny was solid, for sure, but 47 wkts in 27 matches don't add up against the records of the guys that are listed. Prasad likewise, 96 wkts at 33, a good record but still a shade less than these here. Sharma is just behind Prasad (avge of 35, fewer than 3 wkts per game). Madan Lal is not even close to these guys: 71 wkts in 39 games at an avge of over 40. I'd like to know which of the five shortlisted quicks you'd get rid of to include Madan Lal, for example? The five shortlisted bowlers are all great, and deserve to be there. For mine, the pick of the pack is Srinath, a very fine quick, and Kapil goes without saying as a legend. I think Nissar and Amar may struggle to overcome the fact that they only played a handful of tests, despite outstanding overall FC career records.

  • dpathak on August 31, 2010, 19:59 GMT

    There are many names missing here who should have made it as contenders: Roger Binny, Mohinder Amarnath, V Prasad; maybe Madan Lal and Chetan Sharma. Very surprised!!!

  • trueanalyst on August 31, 2010, 18:31 GMT

    @Rumy1, Amar Singh has picked 500 wickets from 93 first class matches.It is not his fault that due to the world war he could not play more test matches but he has shown in ample measure his talent & fire power in his first class carrer.He had played 93 first class matches by the age of 29 which proves his fitness & Stamina.Whatever be your choice either he or Nissar will definitely be in experts AT XI

  • Bamarolls on August 31, 2010, 18:07 GMT

    Based on the slate presented, my team so far (with inclusion of Vinoo with hind sight) is: Sehwag, Gavaskar, Dravid, Tendulkar, Umrigar, Vinoo, Kapil, Kirmani, & Zak. Give me any of the two spinners from Gupte, Kumble, Bhajji, Prasanna, Chandrashekhar, and Bedi, I am ready to challnge the Best of Rest of the World!! I'd ask Sehwag to retire or throw his wicket after his 305 (6 on his 299), Gavaskar to retire at 200, Dravid and Sachin to take the score to 705/0. Then Hand it over to the five distinguished bowlers. I can feel the squeeze on World ATXI.

  • montys_muse on August 31, 2010, 18:05 GMT

    kapil, srinath and amar singh..amar singh cause of his batting abilities and express pace....vinoo mankad can b the all rounder...

  • buntyj on August 31, 2010, 18:03 GMT

    i was a bit surprised that t a sekhar wasn't even mentioned he was unfortunate not to be given a proper run was fastest after nissar n unlucky in his couple of tests and better than many recent indian quicks

  • Bamarolls on August 31, 2010, 17:51 GMT

    Even though, I selected Kapil ahead of Vinoo in the allrounder section, he is going to be one of my fast bowlers. I tend to judge greatness by accomplishments not by potential. Just like I wouldn't call a general great because of the size of army under the general's command, but I would call the general great on results accomplished. Of the list presented, Kapil and Zak are the most accomplished over a long period of time, not only in getting wickets but also in winning matches. I have no doubt that Nissar and Amar singh possessed immense talent and got two wickets for 11 runs, then what? Even against the argument that Nissar and Amar Singh's fielders were weak, remember Kapil bowled with Vishy, Chandra, and Bedi on the filed. No one would mistake either of them as great fielders. Zak's wickets came even when Kumble and Bhajji were controlling the lion's share of overs and wickets. Given the choice of all 9 all over again, I'd have picked Vinoo as allrounder.

  • Rumy1 on August 31, 2010, 17:32 GMT

    Based on track record of accomplishments and contrbution to Indian team at international level over a long period of time and not based on glimpses of talent or skills shown at international level,

    here is my All Time XI...

    Sunil Gavaskar, Virender Sehwag, Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, Mohd Azharuddin, Kapil Dev, Syed Kirmani, Javagal Srinath, Anil Kumble, Zaheer Khan, BS Chandrashekhar. 12th Man: Harbhajan Singh

  • sonjjay on August 31, 2010, 17:28 GMT

    I would also like to see Jimmy Amarnath included in the list, only bcoz he was the best Indian batsman against SHORT bowling and in terms of spin i d like to see either kumble or prassana .

  • Rumy1 on August 31, 2010, 17:20 GMT

    Well the All Time India XI must not be based on the potential that players had or showed glimpses of in patches. Instead their place in the All Time team must be based on a track record of achievements, skills displayed, potential and talent that was converted into consistent contribution for team spread over a long span of time/careerand the need of a balanced team composition.

    Based on these factors, clearly the All Time X1 looks like this....Sunil Gavaskar, Virender Sehwag, Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, Mohd. Azharuddin, Kapil Dev, Syed Kirmani, Javagal Srinath, Zaheer Khan, Anil Kumble and BS Chandrashekhar. 12th Man: Harbhajan Singh

  • trueanalyst on August 31, 2010, 17:19 GMT

    Here are some more facts to confirm the greatness of Amar Singh-Excerpts from Amar Singh's profile-"At home, he was at his best against Lord Tennyson's team in 1937-38 when he bagged 36 wickets (16.66) in the five unofficial Test. 1932, he took 111 wickets (20.78) and made 641 runs (22.89) in the first class matches".Here we are talking about AT XI.Amar Singh had already proved his mettle against all time & undisputed greatest batsmen like Len Hutton & Wally Hammond . Srinath & Zak will be pasted all over the park by these great batsmen.The fact that he has picked up 111 wickets bowling in English county season with Opponents like Jack Hobbs,Hammond,Hutton should stop any argument about his playing fewer number of test matches.If india has to stand any chance in AT XI matches then Amar Singh & Nissar should be included .

  • viksid on August 31, 2010, 17:10 GMT

    Here is my all-time India XI: 1. Gavaskar 2.Sehwag 3. Dravid 4. Tendulkar 5. Azharudhin (he is a better pick than Laxman becuase of the fielding) 6. Kapil Dev 7.Kirmani 8. Zaheer Khan 9. Kumble 10. Srinath 11. Prasanna

  • AhmadSaleem on August 31, 2010, 17:06 GMT

    @hindh88. May be you are right but this bowling line does not look great. They are just good even if they play against the current Australian, English or South African sides. Just cant compete with all time XIs.

  • HarishVS on August 31, 2010, 17:06 GMT

    As far as India's Test match record is concerned, it is the famous spin quartet and later Kumble and even Harbajan who have given India the required numbers in the in "Won" column. Kapil Dev was a very accurate and sometimes an aggressive pace bowler who troubled the best batsmen of all countries during his hey days. But I will put him as an Allrounder at No.6 for India, with Kirmani at No.7 as the WK. It is difficult to judge on Nissar or Amar Singh based on their limited appearance for India. Out of the last four, I will select Shrinath ahead of Zak. There have been some weak and desparate moments in Shri's career as some have opined here, but some of his great performances that have stood out overshadowing his few other ordinary deeds. But the three bowling slots will go to spinners out of Gupte, Chandrashekar, Prasanna, VRaghavan, Kumble. Harbajan Singh is still a question mark as he has been struggling for long time after Kumble's exit. Can he can be one of these Greats?

  • buntyj on August 31, 2010, 17:03 GMT

    so my all time india xi would be merchant (career average 47.72, away 47.90 in eng, at no 1 56.75), gavaskar (51.12, 52.11, at no 2 78.28, in windies 70.20), amarnath(42.50, 51.86, at no 3 47.65, over 54 in windies, pak, aust), tendulkar(56.02, 56.25, at 4 57.85), laxman(47.72, 50.29,49.40 at no 5, over 40 in rsa, 54 in aust), engineer (wk+batting 31.08, 32.67, at no 6 42), kapil batting 31.05, 26.21, at 7 31.09, bowling 29.64, 32.85, away sr 72.2), amar singh (batting 22.46, away 28.42, career bowling, 30.64, away 34, away sr 85.6 ) bedi (c+ bowling 28.71, 33.72, away sr 85, as captain av 24.82), nissar (bowling 28.28, 26.55, away sr 42.6), chandrasekhar(bowling 29.74, 32.66, away sr 67.7) with pataudi as 12th man i seriously considered sehwag (batting 54.14, 50.67), dravid (batting 52.94, 55.53), gupte (29.55, 28.52, away sr 74.4), prasanna (bowling 30.38, 33.84, under 25 in oceania, away sr 81)

  • trueanalyst on August 31, 2010, 16:58 GMT

    Amar Singh has more than 500 wickets from 93 first class matches at an average of 18.He was heaped praises by none other Wally Hammond & Len Hutton.He along with Mohd Nissar who has first class average of 19 should be undisputable First choice picks.Kapil Dev will be the first change bowler.Everybody is choosing Srinath & Zaheer who are average bowlers compared to these greats.Its not their fault they have played only 7 tests.

  • buntyj on August 31, 2010, 16:09 GMT

    for those who say 3 spinners, kapil +1 pacer, i would point out first that even without quality pacers india have in recent years fared better away with 3 seamers, and secondly that while there was a time that india fielded 3 even 4 spinners, in most tests including wins at home and away the 3rd spinner scarcely bowled (in the 70s pras or venkat scarcely got to bowl with bedi chandra, in early 90s yadav/chauhan etc rarely bowled much with kumble raju). most indian test wins through spinners were due to fine performances by 2 spinners or sometimes even just 1. For this reason a combination of 3 seamers +2 spinners is fine despite india's strength in spin; windies couldve selected many another pacer instead of gibbs; or nz another seamer for vettori; but for an all time xi 'balance' is a virtue; also amar singh s fielding was reportedly in the same top bracket as azhar, pat, surti, solkar, adhikari and 3 of these arent contenders the other 2 unlikely to make the team;

  • manikandansethu on August 31, 2010, 15:48 GMT

    As Kapil is already has been added to allrounder list..it's the right place for srinath and zaheer khan to fill the places.Kapil should be the captain of AT India XI.

  • WasimGh on August 31, 2010, 15:48 GMT

    I have played club cricket with Mahir Nissar, grandson of Mohammed Nissar. Mahir didn't only represent Pakistan in International Tennis, he was also an immensely talented fast bowling allrounder. Although he went on to become a lawyer, he could've been spearheading Indian pace attack today had his grandpa not moved to Lahore after partition. :-) I vote for Nissar and Singh, specially since Srinath and Zaheer were only average. Gavaskar Sehwag Dravid Tendulkar Ganguly Laxman Dhoni Kumble Nissar Singh Bedi

  • inswing on August 31, 2010, 15:44 GMT

    It does not make sense to include Kapil in both the all rounders list and pace bowlers list. He does belong in both categories, but is makes things unclear from a team choice perspective. Do you want Kapil and two *other* pace bowlers, or Kapil and one other pace bowler? I would go with Kapil, Amar Singh, and Nissar, in that order. Srinath and Zaheer are both "good" bowlers but not good enough for the all-time 11. You cannot blame Singh and Nissar for the era that they lived in, and for not having enough opportunities. If their test performance was brief, look at their FC record. It seems that both would be better than the recent mediocre Indian pace attach.

  • ashwin1729 on August 31, 2010, 15:42 GMT

    I think since the Indian Middle order is packed, they should play another middle order batsman instead of 2 allrounders, play one allrounder. I think the team should look like this: Sehwag, Gavaskar, Dravid, Sachin, Ganguly, Laxman, Dhoni, Kapil Dev, Srinath, Kumble, Bedi/Raghvan. This will give the strongest indian team ever.

  • Nayeem_Kohir on August 31, 2010, 15:28 GMT

    Kapil Dev will be there as an allrounder anyway. Kapil Dev will be the first player to be picked for any Indian XI. My fast bowlers for an all-time India XI. 1. KAPIL DEV. 2. MOHAMMAD NISSAR. 3. ZAHEER KHAN.

  • ctiwary on August 31, 2010, 15:25 GMT

    My 11... 1 Sehwag 2 Sunil Gavaskar 3 Rahul Dravid 4 Sachin Tendulkar 5 VVS Laxman 6: MS Dhoni 7 Kapil Dev 8 Bedi/Prasanna 9 Anil Kumble 10 Zaheer Khan 11 Srinath

  • NALINWIJ on August 31, 2010, 14:38 GMT

    I cannot comment on the pace bowlers from the past but this team's selection depends on whether you pick 2 pacemen/3spinners or 3pacemen/2spinners. whether you pick Kapil as allrounder or paceman and pick Mankad as the 2nd allrounder. Choice between Zaheer and Srinath is tough but both could be picked with KAPIL as the allrounder. Picking 1-4 in the ATX1 is easy with GAVASKAR,SHEWAG,DRAVID, AND .TENDULKAR. 5-8 gives batting and bowling depth and a quality keeper enhances attack.5.HAZARE 6.MANKAD 7.KAPIL 8.KIRMANI WITH 9.KUMBLE AND 10.ZAHEER AHEAD OF SRINATH AND 11.CHANDRASEKHAR from the legendary spin quartet.

  • Hindh on August 31, 2010, 14:11 GMT

    We must not read too much into Indian fast men but It was spinners who won many a games for India.

  • Hindh on August 31, 2010, 14:09 GMT

    @ahmad saleem we all must note here that Indias' strength was never fast bowling but india rather excelled in Spin . India has produced world class and unrivalled spin greats who have been architects of many wins and batting collapses. so it should be 1 fast man and 3 great spinners should make the line up. In Bedi, chandra , prassana, Venkat ,Kumble and Harbhajan India had enough strength to knock the opposition out of the match.

  • Nuur on August 31, 2010, 14:06 GMT

    Javagal Srinath, Kapil Dev,Amar Singh, Zaheer Khan, Kapil Dev ... You call these men FAST bowlers? :D ... pity pity pity India.

  • TikoloFan on August 31, 2010, 13:41 GMT

    manasvi_lingam's analysis is on target. srinath, amar singh as bowlers and kapil dev as captain allrounder should make it in AT India XI

  • Cricket__sri on August 31, 2010, 13:28 GMT

    i think srinath is pioneer in fast-bowling.may be zaheer is second 1ly 2 kapil by stats.but javagal srinath is a class apart.think he deserved more than wat he got durin his tenure.zak is gud but 1ly next 2 srinath.kapil is an all-rounder.so my choice was Srinath and Kapil dev.

  • Nampally on August 31, 2010, 13:00 GMT

    Nissar & Amar Singh were easily the best fast bowlers India has ever produced. C.B.Fry, W.Hammond & L.Hutton have the highest praise for this pair.But for their careers being interupted by war and untimely death of Amar singh at age 29, their record wouod have been much better.Not withstanding India's poorest fielding in the world, these 2 still reaped rich rewards. Amar Singh was also a great batsman. By comparison all other indian fast bowlers had many more games under their belt and under much richer conditions of an independent India rather than India ruled by the British. Hence Nissar & Amar produced results under much adverse condiitions than say Zaheer, Kapil or Srinath. However since All time India has only 11 spots, one of the opening bowlers spot must go an All rounder Kapil. The second spot can be reserved for one of the true contenders Nissar or Amar singh. Nissar was considered faster than great Larwood. Hence calling Srinath the fastest indian bowler ever is incorrect.

  • TikoloFan on August 31, 2010, 12:52 GMT

    manasvi_lingam's analysis is on target. srinath, amar singh as bowlers and kapil dev as captain allrounder should make it in AT India XI

  • AsifAslam on August 31, 2010, 12:46 GMT

    Pathetic, isnt it? Not really. India's strength has never been fast bowling. It has always been spin. And we have had the most mesmerizing spinners ever. For an all time XI, I would have no more than 2 fast bowlers and 3 quality wicket taking spinners. Kapil is an automatic choice as an allrounder. The other fast bowler should probably be Zak, only because he is left handed and just as good/bad as any of the rest. I dont know much about Amar Singh, but if he was half as good as they say, then maybe he should replace Zak. Srinath?, Prasad?, Chetan Sharma?, Prabhakar? - c'mon guys u really want to subject them to the torture of bowling to the likes of Bradman, Viv R, Lara and the rest? Have some heart, be kind.

  • cricinme on August 31, 2010, 12:40 GMT

    Kapil dev for alrounder and Srinath and Nissar for pace. Zak for the most unfit fast bowler.

  • mani86 on August 31, 2010, 11:53 GMT

    Kapil shouldn't be on this list. I think an overwhelming majority of people have already picked him as the all-rounder. Secondly, I disagree that there should be 2 slots for pure fast bowlers in the Indian team. We have a proud history of class spinners in the side. So, it should be Kapil (all rounder) + 1 fast bowler. And that has to be Srinath for Tests, Zak for ODIs.

  • AhmadSaleem on August 31, 2010, 11:35 GMT

    India have produced such few fast bowlers that a genuine all rounder is included in that category to make it look honorable.I have come to know that even Mohammad Nissar was a Pakistan national after partition 1947 and Amar Singh died before partition so India left with only two medium fast bowlers in Zak and Srinath over their whole history and not surprisingly, both averages above 30 so it would be an awful bowling attack and the team would always play for a draw.

  • trepuR on August 31, 2010, 11:33 GMT

    It is an absolute crying shame that Ammer Sing and Mohammed Nissar did not play more test cricket, however, it would be rediculous to have two players in a team with as long a history as India that have played 7 and 6 tests respectively. There first class records are exceptional, but this XI is based on test match performances, so Zak and Srinath, with Kapil the allrounde

  • naga_18 on August 31, 2010, 11:25 GMT

    there is no confusion over pacemen it should be srinath and zaher... my team would be:1sehwag 2sunny gavaskar 3:dravid 4:achin 5:azaruddin 6:dhona 7:kapil paji 8:harbhajan 9:anil bhai 10:zaheer 11:srinath

  • jsoops on August 31, 2010, 11:15 GMT

    my two fast bowlers would be Zaheer Khan and Amar Singh,as Kapil would be my Allrounder,my final indian eleven stand as: Gavaskar, Sehwag,dravid,sachin, vishwanath,vinoo mankad,kapil dev,farokh engineer,amar singh,zaheer khan and sughash gupte,

  • Maxx_Aftab on August 31, 2010, 10:35 GMT

    Considering what we have among fast bowlers, I would certainly go with Srinath and Zaheer any day, with Kapil as an All-rounder.... Srinath is undoubtedly the first choice, and with Zak to support him, we do have a potent attack, even if not the best or fearsome .... and interestingly I am surprised to see Irfan not even being mentioned, I still remember his hatrick in 1st over against pak (too bad we lost that match spectacularly).... and the bowling attack of India has always stemmed from spinners, until recently now that we have few above avg bowlers like Praveen, Irfan, RP, Sreesanth, Mithun, Ishant, etc ...... well, I guess that India's all-time list is still a work in progress, viewing the current transition of Indian cricket and the rise of fast bowlers .... a few years later we might have a new prodigy who is a genuine pace bowler and is humble enough to enter the all-time list ....

  • aruntheselector on August 31, 2010, 10:31 GMT

    In continuation to my earlier comments (already selected Kapil and Sri as the 2 fast bolwers),it is clear that cricinfo panel is going for 2 spinners.Hence the team would be: Gavaskar,Sehwag,Rahul,Sachin,Vishy,Mankad,Kapil,Kirmani,Srinath,Kumble,Prasanna.However,I would have preferred 3 spinners with Kapil playing as an all rounder and fast bowler.Chandra would have been the third spinner.This would have required strengthening of the batting and for a better balance I would have opted for Dhoni instead of Kirmani and would have batted at 6 ahead of Kapil.At No.5 even though i have selected Vishy,it could even be Laxman or Hazare.

  • buntyj on August 31, 2010, 10:17 GMT

    ps so i opt for 3 pacers- nissar, kapil n amar singh +2 spinners (bedi n chandra); accordingly my xi is merchant, gavaskar, amarnath, tendulkar, laxman, engineer, kapil, amar singh, bedi, nissar n chandra- i believe this is the best away attack that could be fielded and not too far behind sri, kapil, kumble, mankad, pras/bhajji at home amarnath (military medium), tendulkar (traditional lb) will be useful change bowlers i suspect the panels xi is gavaskar, sehwag, dravid, tendulkar, vishwanath, mankad, kapil, kirmani, kumble, srinath, prasanna or bhajji- when this is confirmed i will comment why not 3 spinners, 2pace since spin is india's strength and 1 from pras, gupte, mankad, kumble, bhajji too? very tempting, but usually we've not needed more than 2 spinners to win at home (bedi chandra best pair then bedi pras) with 3 rd spinner often redundant and even recently our away record has improved when we play 3 seamers

  • buntyj on August 31, 2010, 9:54 GMT

    the other choice is amar singh vs zak , i've opted for amar singh as both were similar pace, while zak has a good away record (but only away in england in case of major countries) and has left arm variety, amar singh was widely considered a bowler of rare quality; zak is an useful batsman but amar singh perhaps better, n amar singh was a great fielder; since azhar n pat are not likely to make the final xi and adhikari, surti n solkar not in contention amar singh would be by far the best fielder too;

  • sbbioman74 on August 31, 2010, 9:44 GMT

    good that cricinfo kept kapil in this list. he is a genuine allrounder, but if he gets picked as a bowler, then one more allrounder will come into the team. my picks are kapil and amar singh. the team will be sehwag,gavasar, dravid, tendulkar, ganguly(c),mankad,kapildev, dhoni,kumble,amar singh,prasannna.

  • agm_ on August 31, 2010, 9:23 GMT

    One's always known about India's travails with developing fast bowlers, but never has reality hit harder than with reading this article. With all due respect to the short-listed bowlers, the (lack of) quality on this list is staggering! Would any of these bowlers make a list of the top 5 all time fast bowlers from other leading cricketing nations - England, WI, SAF, Australia, Pakistan? Not a chance. It's unbelievable that in over 60+ years that India haven't been able to develop a single all-time great fast bowler. Kapil Devl comes closest. Amar Singh and Nissar, unfortunately, did not play enough tests.

  • kapilesh23 on August 31, 2010, 9:12 GMT

    zaheer should be included in the bowling line up .he is the best bowler for india for a long time now.

  • smalishah84 on August 31, 2010, 8:43 GMT

    I dont know if Kapil will be picked as an all rounder(haha just for the sake of making it a good selection) so purely looking at the options available I would go for Kapil and Srinath. We are looking at players at their best so Srinath edges out ZAK because of much more pace and a better test record (lesser test matches for about same wickets).

  • Antir on August 31, 2010, 8:38 GMT

    Oh! I should have voted for Mankad as the All-Rounder... *shock*... I thought there would be more options. Kapil Dev and Amir Singh (the quotes from Hutton and Hammond are too good to pass up). *Shakeshead* This must be rectified. I am sorry to say it but Srinath and Zaheer would be shredded by the other teams batsmen. Please do not get me wrong they have been great servants for India, the real workmen of the bowling attacks that India has needed.

  • on August 31, 2010, 8:15 GMT

    There is a very insignificant(!) fact about Zaheer's achievements that has been conveniently left out in the above piece. He is the third highest wicket taker ever in tests and one dayers among left arm pace bowlers. And that remembering the Indian selectors and media's prejudice against left arm pacemen and batsmen - until Ganguly changed it as captain- is really noteworthy.

  • fadooo on August 31, 2010, 7:45 GMT

    Nissar is the symbol of what India lost cricketwise due to partition, India lost its fast bowlers. Nissar became a Pakistani post 1947, spending the rest of his life in lahore. Similarly Fazal Mahmood was on the verge of representing india when partition occurred. So I guess the answer to 'where are the fast bowlers' isnt really hard. They are across the border, while the spinners and batsman remain over here.

  • cricfanraj on August 31, 2010, 7:39 GMT

    Sreenath & Zaheer . I got tempated to pick Nissar at 48 strike rate but not confident. Kapil will be my all rounder. But honestly Kapil , Sreenath and Zaheer.THis attack is just medicore for AT XI . Hmm can we borrow left over from WI AI XI . Roberts ,Garner,Croft...... Final XI Gavaskar,Sehwag,Rahul,Sachin,Vishwanath,Kapil,Dhoni,Sreenath,Zaheer,Kumble,Prasanna. I'm tempated to choose Subhash Gupte over Kumble but can't ignore his 600 wickets and so many Wins ofcourse in India

  • ajt09 on August 31, 2010, 7:37 GMT

    India All Time X1 Shewag,Srikant,Sachin,Rahul,Azar,Dhoni,Kapil,Harbajan,Kumble,Zaheer,Sreenant

  • RSG476 on August 31, 2010, 7:10 GMT

    I do hope we will have the choice of Vinoo Mankad repeated again when it comes to spinners. As Kapil has been chosen in the all rounder's spot, my team (should Vinoo Mankad be repeated), would be : Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Vishawanath, Kapil Dev, Vinoo Mankad, Kirmani, Srinath, Chandrasekhar and Prasanna

  • prasun1519 on August 31, 2010, 7:00 GMT

    My choice of fast bowlers are Kapil Dev & Zaheer Khan. A left hand and right hand combination is always good for the team. As some suggests Kapil as allrounder, I think it'll be better for team to pick Vinoo Mankad as allrounder and Kapil as fast bowler. It'll give the team more depth and balance. As chaithan asked to name another player who has scored more than 4000 runs and 400 wickets, Vinoo's batting and bowling average nearly same as Kapil Dev. Vinoo has a double century as an opener and took 10 wickets twice in his career.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on August 31, 2010, 6:35 GMT

    It will be Kapil first - no other choice. His ability as a batsman and fielder will get him more points.

    For the second place we have a tight competition between Zak and Sree. Sree was an unlucky guy as he lost several wikets due to poor fielding from others. But Zak got the edge because he is able to deliver yorkers at will and those are very productive too. So it will be Kapil and Zaheer.

    Iam sorry to say that I donot know much about the rest of the guys like most of the other fans. :)

  • SRKatik on August 31, 2010, 6:27 GMT

    Only 2 fast bowlers were asked. So I choose Srinath and Zak here and Kapil will be the all rounder.

  • asaduzzaman-khan on August 31, 2010, 6:22 GMT

    Zaheer and Srinath here; Kapil as all-rounder. My choice (11): Gavaskar, Shewag, Rahul, Sachin, Azhar, Kapil, Kirmani, Kumble, Zaheer, Srinath, chandrashekhar/Bedi/Prasanna/Venkatraghban/Harvajan

  • Gaurav569 on August 31, 2010, 6:20 GMT

    Thanks to these wise guys we get to pick two Kapil Devs. So if we need 48 to get past the follow on, no problem. If Zimbabwe reduces us to 17 for 5, we'll end up with 500+.

  • mezrg on August 31, 2010, 6:01 GMT

    Actually, it's surprising and sad to see that India with a billion population, never had proper fast bowlers. Given the above choice, it definitely is Kapil who also can bat and Srinath who was more consistent that others though Sanath J is selected to the SL all time XII - I do not know the oldies.

  • CricFan78 on August 31, 2010, 5:49 GMT

    Nissar, Kapil and Zaheer Khan.

  • Tendulkars_Tennis_Elbow on August 31, 2010, 5:43 GMT

    There should be a separate section for those who donated their health in general and their shoulders/rotator cuffs in particular for the Indian cause. Srinath, Prasad and Kumble should be in for sure....also for introducing the term rotator cuff to the Indian cricket-viewing public. Honourable mention for T.A.Sekhar [stress fractures]

  • pranay_bangalore on August 31, 2010, 5:37 GMT

    From whatever i have read , it should be Kapil paaji and Amar singh. But from what ever i have seen, i am biased towards srinath along with kapil, for the amount of hard work he used to do being the leading pacer for years on dust bowl pitches in sub continent.

  • buntyj on August 31, 2010, 5:26 GMT

    i believe desai shouldve been in contention though i wouldnt select him he was as brisk as kapil was in his first few years with a better bumper though neither was genuine pace i have already selected kapil as allrounder so my choices would be nissar and amar singh despite their brief careers the choice is really srinath vs nissar nissar was genuinely fast for those 4-5 years- his opening spells being compared to larwood his career strike rate was 48, away 42 and home similar to kumble's strike rate he provides more than srinath the genuine pace shock bowler option and needed variety; nissar hit the deck hard brought it in and wonderful yorkers and bouncers sri was sharp and occasionally genuinely fast in his first few years but around 130 after his injury, his away record other than in rsa was abysmal against the top teams tho his home record was outstanding as was kapil's (kapil has the selection advantage of being a top allrounder)

  • chaithan on August 31, 2010, 5:12 GMT

    No way should Kapil be selected in this category. He's an all-rounder (if you disagree, name another player who has scored 4000 runs and 400 wickets).

  • shwet on August 31, 2010, 5:02 GMT

    Kapil Srinath and zaheer.. though kapil was an obvious choice for allrounder

  • Cashan on August 31, 2010, 4:25 GMT

    Whomever you take, it will be just an average bowling line up. They have very good batting but with this bowling line-up India team cannot compete with other All time XI teams like Australia, West Indies or Pakistan.

  • ROLAYH on August 31, 2010, 4:16 GMT

    Yeah that difficult, finding fast bowlers of India... :D...However my votes for the slots are Kapil, Zaheer and Srinath

  • shashankvaish on August 31, 2010, 4:08 GMT

    definitely zak n srinath.........kapil will fit in as an allrounder.........n the others just didnt play enough............so the final 11 would be 1.viru 2.sunny 3.rahul 4.sachin 5.vishwanath 6.dhoni 7.kapil 8.srinath 9.kumble 10.zaheer 11.prassana

  • Gazza038 on August 31, 2010, 4:04 GMT

    Good to see Kapil Dev included here. It means Vinoo Mankad can be selected as the allrounder and Dev included in this section.

  • enigma77543 on August 31, 2010, 3:58 GMT

    Didn't know too much about Nissar & Singh, & considering the quotes by the opposing English batsmen, they were pretty good it seems; always nice to go back to history-books & check out the forgotten legends of the game. India's problem like England I suppose is that they just haven't had that many really fast tear-away bowlers through their history which means very few youngsters in these countries grow up wanting to bowl very fast & therefore, they don't produce any quicks & this cycle just keeps repeating itself while Australia & Pakistan with a similar genetic stock to England & India respectively, seem to produce quicks without any trouble but things are changing a little it seems for both in recent times.

  • vikram_chandrasekar on August 31, 2010, 3:51 GMT

    without doubt the choices should be kapil dev and srinath with zaheer a close third...nissar and amar singh had very brief careers and hence can have only honorable mentions at best...in case kapil is selected as the allrounder (which i'm sure he will be) the choices would be srinath and zaheer khan...however the ideally india with its proud history of spin bowling should have a solitary fast bowler with kapil serving as the fast bowling allrounder...that would leave room for selecting an extra spinner to make it a threesome spin attack...in that case the lone fast bowling slot should go to srinath

  • satanswish on August 31, 2010, 3:49 GMT

    Mohammad Nissar is the fastest bowler India ever produced. Next comes Javagal Srinath, he was lethal during last few presence & retired gracefully with own wish. Kapil Dev & Others should not be termed as fast bowlers as they do fit as Medium-Slow bowlers.

  • SRT_Jammy_Dada_VVS_and_Anil_legends on August 31, 2010, 3:47 GMT

    Further frustration at the nomination lists. Were we to have known that Kapil Dev was to be included in the fast bowlers list, the possibility of picking Vinoo Mankad as an all-rounder would have crossed people's minds. Alas Srinath and Zaheer it is for me, having picked Kapil as the allrounder.

  • manasvi_lingam on August 31, 2010, 3:39 GMT

    A very hard choice. But first of all, one needs to ask whether Nissar would come under "India" or "Pakistan". In those days, both countries were under British rule together. And Nissar played, if I remember, for Punjab which is there in both the countries. Looking the merits: 1) Zaheer - Too inconsistent 2) Srinath - Bad temperament and had many catches dropped in his career by bad slip cordon (apart from Azhar). 3) Kapil - At his peak he was very good, but in his early days and more importantly in the last days, he was pretty awful. 4) Nissar - Superb record in FC matches and Tests but played too less to judge him 5) Amar Singh - Excellent FC record, good Test record as well. I would go with one quick and one medium pacer. Zaheer is out. So, the choice is 1) Nissar/Srinath 2) Amar Singh/Kapil And I also believe that at least 1 out Amar and Nissar should be there. Hence, my two bowlers are Srinath and Amar Singh. Amar Singh is also a very good lower order batsman who can come in at 8.

  • Tendulkars_Tennis_Elbow on August 31, 2010, 3:39 GMT

    Kapil and Mohammed Nissar for me. But yeah, the paucity of choice would be funny if I werent an Indian :) At least they all didnt bowl deliberate no-balls.

  • aruntheselector on August 31, 2010, 3:35 GMT

    Just 5 fast bowlers in 78 years.That speaks about the spate of Indian fast bowling.It is the domestic system and pitches that should be blamed for this situation.However, the few fast bowlers India produced bowled their hearts out.Neither me nor anyone in the panel nor the ex-cricketers would have seen how Amar Singh and Mohammad Nissar bowled.Hence it would be wise to consider the bowlers from modern era where the batsmen dominated as limited overs cricket got more strokeplay into action.Kapil Dev is an automatic selection which means Vinoo Mankad will play as an all rounder.The second fast bowler would be a toss-up between Srinath and ZAK.Considering that Srinath managed to maintain speed almost till the end of his career and ZAK having better bowlers to support than what Srinath had, Srinath would be my 2nd fast bowler.However,for an ODI team I would prefer ZAK above Sri.

  • nataraajds on August 31, 2010, 3:32 GMT

    it's Kapil & Srinath are the best choice for the fast bowling spot. Kapil is a legend and one of the best alrounder ever produced in india. srinath comes next , he had successfully carried the Indian fast bowling for a decade after kapil dev. His records in test & odi justify his choice ahead of others in contest.

  • nlambda on August 31, 2010, 3:16 GMT

    Kapil and Zaheer. Zaheer > Srinath because Srinath was mentally very fragile and got nervous easily. Still have not forgotten nor forgiven his completely panicked, sweating profusely, batting performance in the 1999 chennai test and the 1999 WC match against Zimbabwe. For the 3rd, what the heck, I will take CB Fry's word and go for Nissar. Even if he were really a shade slower than Larwood that would still be pretty good.

  • AhmadSaleem on August 31, 2010, 3:03 GMT

    I have heard many things about Amar Singh and Nissar but they didnt play enough cricket.They might be better than others but question stands still. As far as records say it would definitely be Zak and Srinath. Dev would have made it as an all rounder. Regards

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  • AhmadSaleem on August 31, 2010, 3:03 GMT

    I have heard many things about Amar Singh and Nissar but they didnt play enough cricket.They might be better than others but question stands still. As far as records say it would definitely be Zak and Srinath. Dev would have made it as an all rounder. Regards

  • nlambda on August 31, 2010, 3:16 GMT

    Kapil and Zaheer. Zaheer > Srinath because Srinath was mentally very fragile and got nervous easily. Still have not forgotten nor forgiven his completely panicked, sweating profusely, batting performance in the 1999 chennai test and the 1999 WC match against Zimbabwe. For the 3rd, what the heck, I will take CB Fry's word and go for Nissar. Even if he were really a shade slower than Larwood that would still be pretty good.

  • nataraajds on August 31, 2010, 3:32 GMT

    it's Kapil & Srinath are the best choice for the fast bowling spot. Kapil is a legend and one of the best alrounder ever produced in india. srinath comes next , he had successfully carried the Indian fast bowling for a decade after kapil dev. His records in test & odi justify his choice ahead of others in contest.

  • aruntheselector on August 31, 2010, 3:35 GMT

    Just 5 fast bowlers in 78 years.That speaks about the spate of Indian fast bowling.It is the domestic system and pitches that should be blamed for this situation.However, the few fast bowlers India produced bowled their hearts out.Neither me nor anyone in the panel nor the ex-cricketers would have seen how Amar Singh and Mohammad Nissar bowled.Hence it would be wise to consider the bowlers from modern era where the batsmen dominated as limited overs cricket got more strokeplay into action.Kapil Dev is an automatic selection which means Vinoo Mankad will play as an all rounder.The second fast bowler would be a toss-up between Srinath and ZAK.Considering that Srinath managed to maintain speed almost till the end of his career and ZAK having better bowlers to support than what Srinath had, Srinath would be my 2nd fast bowler.However,for an ODI team I would prefer ZAK above Sri.

  • Tendulkars_Tennis_Elbow on August 31, 2010, 3:39 GMT

    Kapil and Mohammed Nissar for me. But yeah, the paucity of choice would be funny if I werent an Indian :) At least they all didnt bowl deliberate no-balls.

  • manasvi_lingam on August 31, 2010, 3:39 GMT

    A very hard choice. But first of all, one needs to ask whether Nissar would come under "India" or "Pakistan". In those days, both countries were under British rule together. And Nissar played, if I remember, for Punjab which is there in both the countries. Looking the merits: 1) Zaheer - Too inconsistent 2) Srinath - Bad temperament and had many catches dropped in his career by bad slip cordon (apart from Azhar). 3) Kapil - At his peak he was very good, but in his early days and more importantly in the last days, he was pretty awful. 4) Nissar - Superb record in FC matches and Tests but played too less to judge him 5) Amar Singh - Excellent FC record, good Test record as well. I would go with one quick and one medium pacer. Zaheer is out. So, the choice is 1) Nissar/Srinath 2) Amar Singh/Kapil And I also believe that at least 1 out Amar and Nissar should be there. Hence, my two bowlers are Srinath and Amar Singh. Amar Singh is also a very good lower order batsman who can come in at 8.

  • SRT_Jammy_Dada_VVS_and_Anil_legends on August 31, 2010, 3:47 GMT

    Further frustration at the nomination lists. Were we to have known that Kapil Dev was to be included in the fast bowlers list, the possibility of picking Vinoo Mankad as an all-rounder would have crossed people's minds. Alas Srinath and Zaheer it is for me, having picked Kapil as the allrounder.

  • satanswish on August 31, 2010, 3:49 GMT

    Mohammad Nissar is the fastest bowler India ever produced. Next comes Javagal Srinath, he was lethal during last few presence & retired gracefully with own wish. Kapil Dev & Others should not be termed as fast bowlers as they do fit as Medium-Slow bowlers.

  • vikram_chandrasekar on August 31, 2010, 3:51 GMT

    without doubt the choices should be kapil dev and srinath with zaheer a close third...nissar and amar singh had very brief careers and hence can have only honorable mentions at best...in case kapil is selected as the allrounder (which i'm sure he will be) the choices would be srinath and zaheer khan...however the ideally india with its proud history of spin bowling should have a solitary fast bowler with kapil serving as the fast bowling allrounder...that would leave room for selecting an extra spinner to make it a threesome spin attack...in that case the lone fast bowling slot should go to srinath

  • enigma77543 on August 31, 2010, 3:58 GMT

    Didn't know too much about Nissar & Singh, & considering the quotes by the opposing English batsmen, they were pretty good it seems; always nice to go back to history-books & check out the forgotten legends of the game. India's problem like England I suppose is that they just haven't had that many really fast tear-away bowlers through their history which means very few youngsters in these countries grow up wanting to bowl very fast & therefore, they don't produce any quicks & this cycle just keeps repeating itself while Australia & Pakistan with a similar genetic stock to England & India respectively, seem to produce quicks without any trouble but things are changing a little it seems for both in recent times.