India in South Africa 2013-14 December 9, 2013

South Africa name unchanged Test squad

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With a Test squad that has a 12-point lead at the top of the ICC rankings, South Africa's selectors are choosing to stick with a good thing. They named an unchanged 15-member squad for the two Tests against India from the one that played against Pakistan in the UAE.

South Africa have won nine and lost only one of their last 13 matches in the 18 month period convener of selectors Andrew Hudson told ESPNcricinfo that was under consideration when deliberating the current squad. "If you look at that context and over that period, the team has been settled and has done exceptionally well. It's not really a time to start changing anything," he said.

Graeme Smith, who was part of the one-day squad, but didn't play in any of the two ODIs, will return to lead the side in the Tests.

South Africa lost the first Test against Pakistan in Abu Dhabi by seven wickets, but bounced back in Dubai with an innings and 92-run win. "We were very happy with the performance of the Proteas in the second Test match at Dubai," Andrew Hudson, the selection convenor, said. "We see no need to change something that is operating well."

There are four fast bowlers in the squad in Dale Steyn, Morne Morkel, Vernon Philander and Rory Kleinveldt, and two spinners in Robin Peterson and Imran Tahir. The squad includes Thami Tsolekile as the reserve wicketkeeper.

The two-Test series kicks off on December 18 at the Wanderers while the second match will be played in Durban, from December 26.  

South Africa Test squad: Graeme Smith (capt), Hashim Amla, AB de Villiers (wk), JP Duminy, Faf du Plessis, Dean Elgar, Imran Tahir, Jacques Kallis, Rory Kleinveldt, Morne Morkel, Alviro Petersen, Robin Peterson, Vernon Philander, Dale Steyn, Thami Tsolekile (wk)

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  • Rumy1 on December 16, 2013, 18:10 GMT

    Given the lively tracks and the deadly pace and bounce of South African pacers in their very own backyard, Wasim Jaffers skills, temperament, experience and form at top of the order were a must. Jaffer should have been the first opener in the Test at Johannesburg. He is still easily the best Test opener in India today. Hope selectors are listening.Steyn,Philander and Morkel will eat Murali Vijay in the first session itself. Johannesburg is the fastest track there and not sure if even Kohli has the technique to survive the trio of Steyn,Philander and Morkel on that track.At the moment only Pujara and Rohit seem to have the technique and temperament to cope with them. Sincerely believe that Ashwin will be a big flop in the Tests in SA. Likes of Amla, Devilliers and Kallis will dominate Ashwin's average off spin skills as there won't be the supporting dusty tracks of home to help him out in SA. Bhajji should have been there in SA for Tests but could Bhajji be there with Dhoni at the helms

  • on December 14, 2013, 12:37 GMT

    Hi I agree with Hianza totally. Why not play a person who's in form and future for South African Cricket get him in while he's playing good. Quinton De Kock scored 3 hundreds in-a-row lets be serious here who does that yeah not many only 4 other players in the history of the sport. He showed he can attack but more importantly he can also defend while batting for long periods of time. All I can say is give him a chance he's earned it and would help A.B focus on his batting and not suffer wicket keeping he's a very good batsmen which would improve the batting line up.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on December 12, 2013, 23:05 GMT

    Test Team:

    1.Smith 2.Petersen (last chance) 3.Amla 4.Kallis 5. AB 6.JP 7.Dean Elgar 8.Vernon 9.Steyn 10.Morkel 11.Tahir (Kleinveld unfortunately if they choose all pace)

  • KARNAWAT33 on December 12, 2013, 17:55 GMT

    I am so sorry. I have made a big blunder there. How could have I forgotten KALLIS. Oh no, that's a selection dilemma now.

    Maybe, I'd play him instead of Peterson as an all pace attack seems likely in JoBurg especially against the Indians. Duminy can do enough in the spin department if needed. Anyway India will cross 150 barely in both innings.

    (Gosh, how did I forget KALLIS!)...

  • Hlanza on December 12, 2013, 17:49 GMT

    KARNAWAT33- What has Kallis done to be dropped from your XI? Best allrounder ever and he can't crack the nod ahead of JP or Rory? Glad you wernt selecting when I was an established member of my school U13B team.

  • Nampally on December 12, 2013, 15:24 GMT

    @tanstell87: The lack of ability to take 20 wkts, in the past has largely been supplemented by inclusion of Shami, ZAK & B.Kumar in the squad. Ashwin has taken 100 wkts. in 18 tests - fastest in last 25 years. Jadeja is a steady bowler too. However as you say, I have little faith in Dhoni's leadership in the Tests. He has a poor record of 0-8, overseas. For a short format he gets by with his mistakes. But in long format they show up as blunders! His XI selection is often irrational. ZAK & Pujara should both have played in ODI's to get some practice to the SA pitches + add to Indian performance. These are the 2 stars on which Indian performance is rests. No wonder India performed so poorly in ODI's. So MSD's XI selection is first hurdle for India.The performance of Vijay, Pujara & ZAK due to absence of match practice is the second issue. Thirdly the Bowlers bowling right length. Lastly disciplined Indian batting. If all these click, India can be competitive.So Pl. don't write them off!

  • KARNAWAT33 on December 12, 2013, 12:58 GMT

    Alright, so its a very confident and sensible decision taken by the SA selectors FINALLY (After they RESTED Steyn n Morkel ONE WHOLE WEEK prior to the Tests).

    I expect SA to play an all pace attack against India @ JoBurg. I believe this will be the Starting XI:

    Alviro, Smith, Amla, ABDV, Duminy, Faf, Peterson, Philander, Steyn, Morkel and Rory.

    The only position which can be of a little doubt is Peterson's, one could play Dean Elgar in his place to strengthen the batting line up, but then you need at least one spinner in the side, and Peterson can bat!

  • Smahuta on December 12, 2013, 12:21 GMT

    @baujiraj Yes the ODI are done and dusted. now that Sa have won in their weakest format, they can move on to the format where they are stronger, the tests. If you think that the tests are going to be easier for India then you are sadly in for a huge shock. Its back to the wanderers where India will be relying on a 35 year old swing bowler to terrify the SA batsmen while India have to worry about Steyn, Morkel, Philander and Kallis on a seaming pitch. If India couldn't score 300 in the ODI on flat wicket, then I cant see this first game lasting more than 3 days when its actually moving around a lot.

  • baujiraj on December 12, 2013, 7:46 GMT

    well. ODIs are done and dusted. Tests are diff ball game altogether, let SA be over-confident and complacent, Ind will surely defeat SA in tests 2-0.

  • gladly on December 12, 2013, 4:12 GMT

    now india bad time is over.sa will win odi series beating no 1 side in world and ind will win test series beating no 1 test side in the world count on that thats a promise just wait and watch.

  • Rumy1 on December 16, 2013, 18:10 GMT

    Given the lively tracks and the deadly pace and bounce of South African pacers in their very own backyard, Wasim Jaffers skills, temperament, experience and form at top of the order were a must. Jaffer should have been the first opener in the Test at Johannesburg. He is still easily the best Test opener in India today. Hope selectors are listening.Steyn,Philander and Morkel will eat Murali Vijay in the first session itself. Johannesburg is the fastest track there and not sure if even Kohli has the technique to survive the trio of Steyn,Philander and Morkel on that track.At the moment only Pujara and Rohit seem to have the technique and temperament to cope with them. Sincerely believe that Ashwin will be a big flop in the Tests in SA. Likes of Amla, Devilliers and Kallis will dominate Ashwin's average off spin skills as there won't be the supporting dusty tracks of home to help him out in SA. Bhajji should have been there in SA for Tests but could Bhajji be there with Dhoni at the helms

  • on December 14, 2013, 12:37 GMT

    Hi I agree with Hianza totally. Why not play a person who's in form and future for South African Cricket get him in while he's playing good. Quinton De Kock scored 3 hundreds in-a-row lets be serious here who does that yeah not many only 4 other players in the history of the sport. He showed he can attack but more importantly he can also defend while batting for long periods of time. All I can say is give him a chance he's earned it and would help A.B focus on his batting and not suffer wicket keeping he's a very good batsmen which would improve the batting line up.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on December 12, 2013, 23:05 GMT

    Test Team:

    1.Smith 2.Petersen (last chance) 3.Amla 4.Kallis 5. AB 6.JP 7.Dean Elgar 8.Vernon 9.Steyn 10.Morkel 11.Tahir (Kleinveld unfortunately if they choose all pace)

  • KARNAWAT33 on December 12, 2013, 17:55 GMT

    I am so sorry. I have made a big blunder there. How could have I forgotten KALLIS. Oh no, that's a selection dilemma now.

    Maybe, I'd play him instead of Peterson as an all pace attack seems likely in JoBurg especially against the Indians. Duminy can do enough in the spin department if needed. Anyway India will cross 150 barely in both innings.

    (Gosh, how did I forget KALLIS!)...

  • Hlanza on December 12, 2013, 17:49 GMT

    KARNAWAT33- What has Kallis done to be dropped from your XI? Best allrounder ever and he can't crack the nod ahead of JP or Rory? Glad you wernt selecting when I was an established member of my school U13B team.

  • Nampally on December 12, 2013, 15:24 GMT

    @tanstell87: The lack of ability to take 20 wkts, in the past has largely been supplemented by inclusion of Shami, ZAK & B.Kumar in the squad. Ashwin has taken 100 wkts. in 18 tests - fastest in last 25 years. Jadeja is a steady bowler too. However as you say, I have little faith in Dhoni's leadership in the Tests. He has a poor record of 0-8, overseas. For a short format he gets by with his mistakes. But in long format they show up as blunders! His XI selection is often irrational. ZAK & Pujara should both have played in ODI's to get some practice to the SA pitches + add to Indian performance. These are the 2 stars on which Indian performance is rests. No wonder India performed so poorly in ODI's. So MSD's XI selection is first hurdle for India.The performance of Vijay, Pujara & ZAK due to absence of match practice is the second issue. Thirdly the Bowlers bowling right length. Lastly disciplined Indian batting. If all these click, India can be competitive.So Pl. don't write them off!

  • KARNAWAT33 on December 12, 2013, 12:58 GMT

    Alright, so its a very confident and sensible decision taken by the SA selectors FINALLY (After they RESTED Steyn n Morkel ONE WHOLE WEEK prior to the Tests).

    I expect SA to play an all pace attack against India @ JoBurg. I believe this will be the Starting XI:

    Alviro, Smith, Amla, ABDV, Duminy, Faf, Peterson, Philander, Steyn, Morkel and Rory.

    The only position which can be of a little doubt is Peterson's, one could play Dean Elgar in his place to strengthen the batting line up, but then you need at least one spinner in the side, and Peterson can bat!

  • Smahuta on December 12, 2013, 12:21 GMT

    @baujiraj Yes the ODI are done and dusted. now that Sa have won in their weakest format, they can move on to the format where they are stronger, the tests. If you think that the tests are going to be easier for India then you are sadly in for a huge shock. Its back to the wanderers where India will be relying on a 35 year old swing bowler to terrify the SA batsmen while India have to worry about Steyn, Morkel, Philander and Kallis on a seaming pitch. If India couldn't score 300 in the ODI on flat wicket, then I cant see this first game lasting more than 3 days when its actually moving around a lot.

  • baujiraj on December 12, 2013, 7:46 GMT

    well. ODIs are done and dusted. Tests are diff ball game altogether, let SA be over-confident and complacent, Ind will surely defeat SA in tests 2-0.

  • gladly on December 12, 2013, 4:12 GMT

    now india bad time is over.sa will win odi series beating no 1 side in world and ind will win test series beating no 1 test side in the world count on that thats a promise just wait and watch.

  • THEBEAST7 on December 12, 2013, 2:55 GMT

    I can't understand why Quinnie is not in this squad and what happened to the promising young fast bowler "Marchant de Lange"??? is he injured or what?

  • Hlanza on December 11, 2013, 16:53 GMT

    Why on earth is Quinton De Kock not given a crack in the test team? His form is superb and he has a great record in the longer game. He is far and away a better player than Thami Tsolikele who will basically sit around on his backside for a couple of weeks. At least SA could put in De Kock as a back up batsman and provide some keeping relief for AB

  • on December 11, 2013, 15:46 GMT

    its gonna be 1-1 series draw i think..

  • tanstell87 on December 11, 2013, 15:08 GMT

    Common Indian fans be realistic..i am also an Indian fan..the problem with people from my country who started watching cricket after 2007 T20 World Cup win is that they don't look at the performance of Indian team in realistic manner...India lost 0-8 in 2011 season, Australia too lost 0-7 this year but they made the required changes and look now they are going great guns..India will lose overseas with a defensive captain like MS Dhoni at the helm..to win a test match a team should pick 20 wickets - who will pick them - Ashwin, Jadeja no way you require bowlers like Zaheer, Kumble, Bhuvi is a good option so is Shami..but i am sure MS will go with his favorites Ashwin & Jadeja in test line up and will further dent India's chance to atleast compete against the number 1 test team..a simple equation that Dhoni doesnt get - he is playing 5 bowlers in ODIs still his team is conceding 300 in every game...so whats the use?? play 7 batters & Jadeja at 8 as Ashwin is of no use either home or away

  • Protears on December 11, 2013, 10:58 GMT

    Access to the internet doesn't give a person a right to belligerently kill rationality and argument, stupidity is not a right to sabotage reason and intellectual debate.

    I have read days on days of posts with people and I regret to say mostly Indians nothing but fault finding in everything South African cricket associated, we do not regard ourselves as perfect but some of the comments are quite literally shocking, can barely keep test and limited overs cricket in different baskets and apparently the most successful team in world cricket over the last 7 years is comprised of average players.

    Here is some food for thought, you have taken two pummelings against a average team maybe a third today. Your test squad only Dhoni and Khan have any experience in South African conditions in a test match, your best attacking option has taken 9 wickets in 4 tests at 68 and a SR around 125 out of India and we have all the problems. Go figure.

  • Cannondale on December 11, 2013, 10:44 GMT

    @Solid_Snake - Why Zimbabwe man? Though SL can not win any test series or tournament, I think SL is better than Zimbabwe. But if you pick Zimbabwe over SL, I don't have any problem. Your call.

  • Solid_Snake on December 11, 2013, 10:29 GMT

    @black_bird :

    "SA will win this series by 2-0 and by innings.Restricting India to 50 runs in each inngs,mark my word"

    Now it's correct :P

  • Solid_Snake on December 11, 2013, 10:26 GMT

    @Cannondale :My team is India..But now after watching Champs getting defeated that badly,i am considering to change my team..Zimbabwe sounds like a good option here..They'll do better than that i guess :)

  • Solid_Snake on December 11, 2013, 9:07 GMT

    @Ian Jones: BCCI did it on purpose..To save India from more humiliation.Imagine if it was a 4 or 5 Test match series.What would have happened.Obviously same result as always.It would have become 12-0 or 13-0 record..... But BCCI forgot one thing....10-0 would do the same job as well :)

  • Testcricketistop on December 11, 2013, 8:45 GMT

    black_bird= "india will win this series by 2-0 and by innings. mark my word"

    Good luck with that.

  • on December 11, 2013, 8:31 GMT

    This should be a minimum 4 Test series, disgraceful actions by BCCI to only make it 2. All I see is 2 convincing wins wins for the Saffers.

  • Cannondale on December 11, 2013, 8:28 GMT

    @Solid_Snake - I am not just talking as if Ind is winning test series abroad but given you facts. How many series wins for SL? You are pointing out that Ind did not win in Aus and SA. When did Sri Lanka won test series in NZ/WI/Eng/Aus/SA? In fact lately your team is not able to win test series at home against WI and NZ too. lol :). Every team has good time and bad time. No 1 ranking does not mean team in invincible. It just reflects teams current form. Thats all.

  • Solid_Snake on December 11, 2013, 7:59 GMT

    @Cannondale :You are talking as if India has been winning series all over the world..2 Series wins out of 13...Great record in England :) India never won a test series in SA or Australia either...No1 ranked team fans Bragging about wins against NZ and WI..lol...I hope those WI & NZ trophies are still shinning :)

  • black_bird on December 11, 2013, 7:51 GMT

    india will win this series by 2-0 and by innings. mark my word.

  • Solid_Snake on December 11, 2013, 7:50 GMT

    @Naresh28 :Get ready for another defeat in 3rd ODI...& 2 more defeats in Test matches.Innings defeat for India or not?That's the only unanswered question here :) And yeah i've played cricket in my life..If i had not played cricket or if was not a fan,i would have probably commented in some other Sports forum.There's a reason why all are commenting here...Don't get frustrated.Win or lose is a part of Game..But White wash is a part of men in Blue only :)

  • Cannondale on December 11, 2013, 6:29 GMT

    @Solid_Snake - At least India won Test Series in WI 1-0 in 2006, In Eng 1-0 in 2007, in NZ 1-0 2008/09 and again with WI 1-0 in 2011. And that too with mediocre balling attack and batsman not able to handle pacy and bouncy wickets. Did Sri Lanka won test series in Eng/Aus/NZ/SA/WI in last 7-8 years? Final score line should show series in SL favor, drawing is not enough. Cricinfo please publish.

  • on December 11, 2013, 5:17 GMT

    win is possible

  • Naresh28 on December 11, 2013, 4:07 GMT

    @solid-snake - you are wasting your time and energy on a useless team like India. Go on a forum and find some thing useful to add weight to your own team. By the way have you ever played cricket in your life? Armchair critic. Dont write other teams off - you win some and lose some.We can call you back when we win one game by LUCK and laugh at you with your stance of "whitewash" Then I suppose you will go in hiding. We indian fans have not ever denied that our team is weak - our bowling has been weak since ages ago and we did not deny it. We got to number 1 in tests when Kumble and Zaks were at their peak.

  • on December 11, 2013, 2:13 GMT

    Guys thanks for being so informative, I thoroughly liked your posts

    1. Agree that best batsmen MUST prove them in all grounds. 1st foreign tour is an excuse. Dravid n Ganguly scored 95 n 100 in their debut in England. World knows about Sachin's debut and his 1st tours to England n Australia.

    2. Having said that, I agree that India has a dismal oversees record. That I believe can be 'majorly'attributed to Poor Bowling attacks and insufficient prep time. I mean u can't expect to land in SA on Monday n play on the third day !!

    3. There are some brilliant players in SA n so are in India. I wish players like Yuvi, Raina had taken the opportunity to learn from seniors when they played amongst the best.

  • philander50 on December 10, 2013, 23:03 GMT

    @Fan1969 - Funny how you give your stats on S.A wins, loss etc but when it comes to India your stats are followed by excuses.

  • on December 10, 2013, 22:23 GMT

    Indians got a good wake up call making flat and dead pitches at home 2 assit batsmen and make them look dominant... hahahaha this proves that they cannot play on neutral pitches

  • SamWintson92 on December 10, 2013, 16:10 GMT

    I would have given Quinton De Kock a go at test level. He averages over 54 in first class cricket. If he keeps wicket & bats at 7 that will ease the pressure from De Villiers and will free him up to concentrate only on his batting.

  • Solid_Snake on December 10, 2013, 15:59 GMT

    @GRVJPR :You skipped the next line :P I said..Typing again...When those legendary players could not save the team,then expecting these youngsters to do some miracle is just like a dream..There's a world outside WC..You cannot go for only one thing.So you are trying to prove that SA just trying to win useless series.So it also means that India is not ina mood to win this useless series right?So India should be winning WC's & big tournaments.When they'l lose in other small tournaments,fans would say okay it's no big deal..It's a useless small series anyways..India is No1 team For God sake.Behave like champions.It's so disappointed to see Champs playing like that.Do you even know what champion means?It does not mean that win big cups and get thrashed in all other tournaments.Even a team like NZ having all young players,that team won a series in SA.What good are these Champs if they cant win from a struggling SA team whoare shuffling players in every game for better combination.Come on..

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on December 10, 2013, 14:44 GMT

    What will be'unchanged' also will be the results that we see in the ODI series being played now . I mean 3-0 coming up and then to the tests . Oh, but there only 2 tests ,so though it will be 'unchanged' good thing is it won't be 3-0 . For sure.

  • brusselslion on December 10, 2013, 14:26 GMT

    @GRVJPR on (December 10, 2013, 12:29 GMT): To answer your question directly: 3 drawn series - 2 in India - as far as I can see: Guess that means that India are unable to beat SA on typical turning pitches in India!!!?

    I realise that this may come as a shock to you but, beating India is not the sole criterion by which most of us measure a team's relative success. Sure, it's important to do well in India but, it's just as important to do well against all the other Test playing nations both home and away.

  • on December 10, 2013, 14:23 GMT

    Sorry Before unlucky getting out Ajinkya was playing well and way better than Yuvi, so no need to include Yuvi in the team. Team for Tommorrow ODI should be Rohit, Shikar, Ajinkya, Virat, Suresh, Mahendra, Ravindra, Ravichandran, Bhuvaneshwar, Umesh, Shami. Virat should come @4 to stabilised the innings he is not good when ball is seaming and Umesh should be prefer over Ishant, as Umesh needs continous matches to get his confidence back, we have already given lot of opporunites to Ishant. For test India should go with either Ravindra Jadeja or Ravincharan Ashwin, no need to play both. If they both Play than drop Vijay, who will no come good directly in tests, without match pratice. Test Team Rohit/Vijay, Shikar, Pujara, Ajinkya, Virat, Ashwin/Rohit, Dhoni, Jadeja/Bhuvi/Ashwin, Umesh, Zaheer, Shami

  • Fan1969 on December 10, 2013, 14:10 GMT

    @Testcricketistop As mentioned in one of my posts Aus, SA, Eng all play similar cricket while sub continent teams play spin oriented cricket.

    You are right SA beat Aus by 1-0 and 2-1 in Aus. Lost 1-6 before 2007

    @Rouan de Villiers

    At home SA drew 1-1 in Nov 2011, Lost 1-2 in Feb 2009, Lost 0-3 in Mar 2006, Lost 1-2 in 2002 and lost 1-2 in 1997. Net 4-10. SA NEVER WON A HOME SERIES VS AUS.

    India has beaten Aus 8-0 in last 3 series, 1-0 in 1996, 2-1 in 1998 and 2-1 in 2001. In 2004 we lost 1-2 to a team captained by Gilly. India beat Aus 6 times at home and lost once. Net 14-4

    Away India lost 4-0 in 2011 (bad loss due to senior retiring batsmen and Gambhir/Sehwag), Lost 2-1 in 2008 -dubious umpiring by Steve Bucknor else would have been 1-1. Drew 1-1 in Aus in 2004. In 2001, 2008 India stopped Aus 16 streak test victories. Lost 3-0 in 1999. Net 2-10

    India were better IN Aus before 2007 (Warne, McGrath retirement) without ever having pacers like SA. SA UNDERPERFORMED, very poor@HOME

  • on December 10, 2013, 14:01 GMT

    I think de cok have to get chance to play test .. .... he is the best ...

  • Abbas67 on December 10, 2013, 13:51 GMT

    Why isn't de Kock been selected ? He is in his peek form and this is the perfect time for him to settle him down in the Test. The playing XI should be - Smith Petersen Amla Kallis deVilliers Duminy deKock Morkel Tahir Steyn Philander!

  • Aneesmoha on December 10, 2013, 13:31 GMT

    @GRVJPR to answer your question out of the 10 Series Between the two countries home and away South Africa have won 5. Winning in India once. India have won 2. both of those in India. and the last 3 series in have been Draws.

    To put it in Prespective. Head to Head in Tests since 1992: Games Played 31 South African Wins 12 (9 home and 3 away) India Wins 7 (5 home and 2 away)

    and 12 draws

  • Testcricketistop on December 10, 2013, 13:02 GMT

    GRVJPR

    In SA:

    SA played 27 ODI's vs India Wins 21 Losses 5 No Results 1

    IN India SA played 23 ODI's in India Wins 10 Losses 13

    Neutral Venues SA played India 19 times at a neutral venue SA wins 11 SA losses 7 No Results 1

    Pretty much tells me SA is consistently better than India.

  • Testcricketistop on December 10, 2013, 12:56 GMT

    "SA despite Donald, Pollock, Ntini, Steyn and co have lost too often to Aus. Aus lost 4-0 to India recently, a task no one other than SA did way back in 1970. Since then SA have been hammered by Aus. "

    It is 2013, different time, different team.

    We have won both our away test series vs OZ in the last 5 years.

  • GRVJPR on December 10, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    @brusselslion, Except for this series, how many south africa has won against India in the period you have mentioned. And how many have been on typical turning pitches in India?

  • Udendra on December 10, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    CSA should be kind enough and at-least provide grounds with shorter boundaries. That will make the contest a bit competitive.

  • GRVJPR on December 10, 2013, 12:28 GMT

    @Solid_Snake, Again getting overboard "Same Indian team with legendary Players were hammered in England and Australia", This is not the same Indian team. Entirely a new team. Also I don't rate South Africa on the basis of home performance. Prove by winning 6 ODI series in a row (even at home) or win 2 world cups and major ICC tournaments. SA can't get away with useless win in a useless ODI series against a young and inexperienced side.

  • on December 10, 2013, 12:18 GMT

    SA has enough fast bowlers of their own. Why India are always trying three of them! Send Ishant home for good and call Ojha to replace him. Ojha has already proved himself several times on foreign grounds. Why is he mostly left behind like an unwanted and worthless bowler? AND of course, due to repeated failure of top 4 batsmen, including the opener duo, remaining batsmen go morally down. They must show the spirit of SA openers who have been backbone of their team in last two ODIs.

  • brusselslion on December 10, 2013, 12:04 GMT

    @GRVJPR on (December 10, 2013, 11:39 GMT): ".. can only play on south african home tracks but fail overseas."

    SA have not lost an away Test series since 2006 so, I guess we can discard your hypothesis.

    Mind you, they're not bad at home either; their last home series defeat was in 2008/09.

  • Solid_Snake on December 10, 2013, 12:03 GMT

    @GRVJPR:Same Indian team with legendary Players were hammered in England and Australia.Those Legendary players could not save the team.Expecting something that big from these youngsters who suddenly started acting as if they have forgotten how to Bat in ODI's..Lol..Whole world saw what they did in ODI's..Rohit Sharma..Master blaster double Century Maker was clueless against Steyn & other bowlers.Dhawan the Great suddenly became an ordinary Slogger & started swinging his bar blindly.Test matches are tougher and Indian's performance is going to go down rather than any miracle

  • GRVJPR on December 10, 2013, 12:03 GMT

    Why so much criticism of this Indian team? Tell me any of the previous Indian team with plenty of stars and experience doing well in South Africa. This is good learning for this team. No shame loosing to South Africa in South Africa. It is not a minnow like pakistan or Sri lanka.

  • GRVJPR on December 10, 2013, 11:39 GMT

    @Solid_Snake , You are getting too overboard. Noone is scared of anybody. No way this Indian team is scared of this South African team. Indian team knows they are capable of winning the major trophies and tournaments and their opponents can only play on south african home tracks but fail overseas. Doesn't matter how many South Africa wins in SOuth Africa, as always the real test is in Major tournaments like world cup and champions trophy. Also it will be mistake to write this indian team off on the basis of ODI losses. In ODI batsmen are forces to play certain shots due to limit of overs which can be easily avoided in test. So far it is Indai batsmen who have gifted wickets rather than SA bowlers taking it. It will be pretty hard work for SA bowlers in test matches.

  • Solid_Snake on December 10, 2013, 11:19 GMT

    @rajuramki :So now selectors would go for only those players who have played some matches on xyz ground?Lol this logic is just mindblowing..Mate..these are all professional players..It's their job to play & get used to any type of conditions they are facing.One just cannot back off by saying that ohh i haven't played any match in some ground so that's why i failed..Knowing the conditions is not a difficult task.Current Indian team has played a lot of T20 matches here in IPL & CL..They won T20 WC here in SA..What's up with knowing about the conditions.Are they so scared of Red Ball?

  • on December 10, 2013, 10:44 GMT

    @Fan1969 "SA team on paper is very strong and has been so for many years but they have lost too many tests to Aus."

    And what is your point? EVERYONE lost to Australia during the 90's early 2000's they had arguably the best Test team in the history of the game so you can't really hold that against SA.

  • IndianInnerEdge on December 10, 2013, 10:12 GMT

    Hoping for a good contest, hoping to see india's young batsmen take on the saffer quicks....cheerio:)

  • Fan1969 on December 10, 2013, 10:04 GMT

    @naresh28 do not get frustrated mate by poor quality comments from others. India has produced great batsmen who have adjusted well to alien conditions. We never had a great pace battery but still has been the team that has been the best against Aus (best team) since 1970 and 2nd all time.

    YES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT DESPITE WI GREATS and they hammered Australia, India has a better W-L ratio overall against Aus than WI. This is despite Aus hammering India in 50s and 60s when our team was weak.

    SA despite Donald, Pollock, Ntini, Steyn and co have lost too often to Aus. Aus lost 4-0 to India recently, a task no one other than SA did way back in 1970. Since then SA have been hammered by Aus.

    Indian batsmen performed really well against the best - that was Aus. The current line up is new and must not be judged now, on first tour.

    India lost to Eng in transition - seniors were retiring and Gambhir/Sehwag lost form all simultaneously.

    What has happened to England in Ashes? Blown by pace?

  • on December 10, 2013, 10:01 GMT

    ODI---2-1....Test 2-0...sure..becose...team selection..sandip patil dont know about the experience & team spirit

  • rajuramki on December 10, 2013, 9:50 GMT

    Except Dhoni and Zaheer , no Indian player has played test matches on South African wickets and hence it is too much to expect the Indian team to put up a big fight . It will be a learning curve for most players and hence we should not condemn the team , if it fails badly . Failure will only make the team more resilient and develop the players for tomorrow .

  • Fan1969 on December 10, 2013, 9:48 GMT

    @Umer Khalid India's away record is admittedly poor. Pakistan is better in WI, Eng and NZ since they had Akram, Waqar, Imran, Shaoib while India has always been short of pace bowlers.

    Despite lack of bowlers India has done better than Pak in Aus, SA where the victories were contributed more by the batting with Sreesanth, Agarkar, Zaheer, Ishant bowling really well in a few tests.

    Till India find good pacers the team will be hard pressed to create pressure on opposition batting in overseas conditions. Shami is one good find, but we need more. Unfortunately Umesh has also dropped in pace and accuracy and I seriously do not want to start on Ishant.

    I have been over the moon since Shami's Kolkatta performance because I can see him providing a couple of overseas victories in NZ/Eng/Aus. Ofcourse he needs support and good batting but maybe in a session he can knock out 5 opposition batsmen.

    Still SA is at top and it is too much to expect victory against them on first overseas tour.

  • on December 10, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    For all those.. who write off indian batting line up... dont u people remember perth test 2008..!! That should be sufficient for all of u..!!

  • Naresh28 on December 10, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    @solid_snake - Give us break man. You go and on like a stuck record. OK we are totally useless now get off our damn back and go and comment somewhere else. So what if we get a total whitewash, you and some of the pakistan, SL fans go on as though we have been playing cricket as a nation only yesterday. Show some respect and common sense. We do belong to the ICC tere are always two teams playing all over the world. You go on like India plays at home always? DO we? ARE WE NOT IN SA!!!!

  • on December 10, 2013, 9:22 GMT

    Not really sure why they have not considered de Kock. That guy is a genius. Don't think Faf will continue to live up to his first test match and think de Kock is more talented than Elgar. Oh well, time will tell..

  • Jube on December 10, 2013, 9:15 GMT

    This further goes to show India are a great side in domestic conditions but the worst when overseas - especially if there are genuine and good fast bowlers on the other side. We've shown it in England, in Australia and now we await a whitewash in South Africa. Nobody, sadly not even a team with Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Sehwag and Gambhir could have stopped this - delay maybe, but we would still have been whitewashed... Any until the the authorities accept this and learn to set up more sporting wickets, enlighten people that cricket is played with a ball in hand too, and thereby get more quality fast bowlers and batsmen who can play pace...... we will get nowhere. Sadly there seems no hope for this in the times of ODIs and T20 and focus on raking in the moolah..... who cares about the quality of the Indian team? I guess we need to thank the BCCI for curtailing the series and trying its best to have it cancelled - 3-0 and 2-0 sounds better than say 7-0 and 4-0..

  • Fan1969 on December 10, 2013, 9:15 GMT

    @tanstell87. I fully agree. India is a good team but our strength has been spin while SA, Eng, Aus rely on pace and swing. Thus the contrast in results for Home/Away for India is more than SA in Eng, Aus in SA or SA in Aus because they play similar cricket.

    My aim is to let everyone realize that the likely result is 2-0 to SA but in case it is not, it will be a huge boost to India. I see so many posts that are in poor taste. This young Indian team is promising and has done well in ODIs but we must not expect the moon on 1st overseas trip.

    Even a draw, w/o too much weather intervention will be a victory. What happened in Eng/Aus in 2011 was when senior batsmen failed but now to expect rookies to do a miracle on the first tour and that too against SA will be asking for too much.

    SA has frankly underperformed over the years, in my view, by losing so often to Aus in SA. SA team on paper is very strong and has been so for many years but they have lost too many tests to Aus.

  • Man_from_Mountains on December 10, 2013, 9:07 GMT

    I think India's batsmen are young and inexperienced. Most of them do not have playing experience on bouncy pitches and struggling initial as they have not changed the playing style. Their shot selection is not good initially as they are batting like they play on Indian pitches. But these batsmen are the most talent batsman of this era and they have all the shots in their armory. They have to learn how to construct a partnership initially against quality bowling side i.e. South Africa. With time and experience they will learn all these things and one day we will start beating teams even outside subcontinent.

  • on December 10, 2013, 9:03 GMT

    @tanstell87 I think u didn't consider the last England series in India , panesar alone was enough to give a whitewash in the test. The last SA tour of India dat resulted in draw Hashim Amla left our bowlers were struggling to take his wicket even a single time.

  • on December 10, 2013, 8:48 GMT

    @solid_snake...you are absolutely right...i don't any good batsman without Sachin in the Indian cricket team...They only can play good in their own home condition and still considered the "BEST BATTING LINE UP" in the world..it's because of the media nothing else..

  • on December 10, 2013, 8:43 GMT

    When you play in india then you don't really need bowling or batting coach. But when you toured abroad you need test experienced batting and bowling coach . Despite part of worlds richest cricket board, we have not focussed on this. While other time dhoni get engaged in selection , why can't he asked good test experienced coaches from Srnivasan ?? I heard that one time Donald was looking to be part of set up but BCCI ignored . Just imagine how it would have worked here . Hence i say dhoni is lucky and successful caption but not intelligent captain. During ganguly days our bowling was good because he was involved with bowler .

  • Solid_Snake on December 10, 2013, 8:34 GMT

    Another White wash is waiting for India..After making piles of runs in home grounds,now it's time for another white wash..India should play all of their matches in their own country..It suits them better :P Now fans might argue with me that SA is not so good in Sub continent..Time to refresh the memory..SA has once white washed India in their own home ground.That must be a record..Getting whitewashed at home :P Same case with Eng...They can't play spin well yet they managed to win a series in India..SA has mostly managed to draw a series each time they visited India.But when India visit SA...It has always been a total disaster for India..I wonder why are Indian batsmen called 'THE BEST'..They can't play in SA,Eng,Aus..Still they are given title of Legends :P There are many batsmen from other nations who can play well in almost all conditions.Still those batsmen are not considered as good..Why?

  • on December 10, 2013, 8:12 GMT

    dear tanstell87 your point is valid about the victories , but then even if records are to be considered differently i.e home and abroad ,the indians donot have a very admirable one .

  • on December 10, 2013, 7:44 GMT

    de cock a very sad news for such a young talent while announcing test squad.

  • Shazy777 on December 10, 2013, 7:27 GMT

    Absence of De Kock from the Test side should be a huge relief for India. He scored a century in each of the 2 ODI's

  • batsman00007 on December 10, 2013, 7:03 GMT

    Dhoni after loosing will start to make excuses about poor scheduling. That's what he does. lets face it he has poor record as captain overseas. When other strong teams come to India they atleast manage to win some matches in India on our dull, dusty and spinning tracks but we have always struggled outside of subcontinent except some success during the captaincy of Sourav Ganguly. Dhoni is successfull in subcontinent because he has the best team possible now. Dhoni has been the captain of best indian team and Sourav Ganguly was the best Indian Captain. Dhoni's real test begins now. BCCI should look in to this matter and have made green pitches atleast on half of the grounds in India rather then boasting about us being number one in ODi ranking or success on dull pitches.

  • tanstell87 on December 10, 2013, 7:00 GMT

    @Fan1969 - how many test have NZ won in India since 1976 only 1, England have won only 2 in last 28 years, Australia have won 4 in last 44 years...so its same way round with India. Yes you made a valid point to Indian fans...let be realistic India will lose 2-0 inside 3 days or max 3 and half days....but let me tell South Africa is the number 1 test team, they have beaten England in England , Australia in Australia but they haven't been able to beat India on 3 occasions(2008, 2009/10 & 2011)...all series were drawn...so this a great opportunity for them to win a rare test series against India & most likely they will but i would also like to tell that once in a while there comes a team who dislodges the number 1 team & most times it has been India - against WI in 1983 World Cup when no one gave India a chance & twice against then number 1 Australia in 2001 - when India stopped their 16 wins on the trot record in tests & in 2008 when again India stopped their 16 win on the trot record..

  • on December 10, 2013, 6:53 GMT

    The so called strong Indian batting line up ,once again, would fail.BCCI must prepare pacy and bouncy pitches back in India to prepare there batsmen for overseas tours.

  • bjaved98 on December 10, 2013, 6:52 GMT

    I think India is really loosing the plot here by neglecting some senior player like Sehwag and Ghabmir. They had experience for these pitches and tendency to fight back the fiercest bowling of SA. You should bring youngsters in team but keeping seniors out just in once not good. It's not Australian Team who knows how to play bounce and pace, Sub continent players lean this art by visiting more on these grounds. It's just a suggestion I like he way Dhoni heads the team But Indian captain has to be Indian not CSK.

  • batsman00007 on December 10, 2013, 6:44 GMT

    Dhoni after loosing will start to make excuses about poor scheduling. That's what he does. lets face it he has poor record as captain overseas.

    When other strong teams come to India they atleast manage to win some matches in India on our dull, dusty and spinning tracks but we have always struggled outside of subcontinent except some success during the captaincy of Sourav Ganguly.

    Dhoni is successfull in subcontinent because he has the best team possible now.

    Dhoni has been the captain of best indian team and Sourav Ganguly was the best Indian Captain. Dhoni's real test begins now.

    BCCI should look in to this matter and have made green pitches atleast on half of the grounds in India rather then boasting about us being number one in ODi ranking or success on dull pitches.

  • Fan1969 on December 10, 2013, 5:58 GMT

    I think the pressure is on SA to win the series 2-0. They are the No.1 test team. India have nothing to lose.

    Frankly, Indian fans expecting a test win in SA and burying youngsters over 2 ODI performances have seriously misplaced expectations. If India can beat SA then they should dominate NZ ( India have 1 test win since 1976 in 2009), Eng (2 victories in past 25 years), Aus (2 victories in 31 years)

    India will visit all these in next 15 months.

    The combined experience of 7 of top 8 batsmen (including Ashwin) is 81 tests, same as Dhoni at 79 tests. Shami has played 2 tests, Umesh 9 and the less said about Ishant the better it is. Zaheer is 35 plus, not many pacers survive for long after 35.

    Let Indian fans be realistic. The pressure is on SA to do a 2-0 and anything short of that is a victory for India. SA have 4 extremely experienced batsmen with Kallis an all time great. They have a great pace attack, probably the best in past decade (comparable to McGrath, Gillespie and Lee)

  • INDSlider on December 10, 2013, 5:56 GMT

    We can't expect Indian batsmen to perform well in tests as they were below par in their favourite format (ODI )where their strength lie. Current Indian team lacks the quality of "legends"/ "greats" after the retirement of Sachin and Dravid. We can't expect nothing than complete humiliation in both ODIs and tests unless Saffas decide to give a go for their emerging players like Elgar, Hendrics, Levi, Van Jarsveld, Viljoen, Piedt. resting the players over 30 years of age like Kallis, Smith, Amla and Steyn. Even then, victory is highly unlikely for India. So, they should give it a try to settle for a more respectful defeat.

  • OttawaRocks on December 10, 2013, 5:07 GMT

    Unless its the WC, the ODIs and T20s mean nothing to me. Thus, seeing how India does in the tests is where its at. Currently, it seems India is looking to get swept as I just don't believe our youngsters have any experience in dealing with the SA pitches. Are they horrible batsmen? No, its just that unlike their SA counterparts, Indian batsmen haven't had the same years and years of experience. At the moment, when we evaluate our batsmen we should be looking at how they adjust their technique to the new conditions and what kind of character they display.

  • on December 10, 2013, 4:50 GMT

    SA should have given ingram one more chance against india and rest some one who is over 30.. any SA 8 men can win two tests against india comfortablly..

  • joe_antony on December 10, 2013, 4:30 GMT

    Third ODI is very important for India, if the pathetic show continues it will be humiliating in tests. Ah! I cant just imagine Vijay and Dhawan against Steyn charging in on a first day morning. BUT, if india wins (against all odds) the third ODI, there will be some sort of competition in tests at least, though they can't win any test.

  • Kashi0127 on December 10, 2013, 4:24 GMT

    I think India should be allowed to play 15 players instead of 11 or allowed 3 ( or 4 is even better) innings in Tests against 2 innings of South Africa, otherwise they don't have a chance. Keep in mind we do not have Rahul Dravid and Laxman any longer.

  • on December 10, 2013, 4:11 GMT

    to all those who are bashing team India and talking about making new low scores and all, please don't forget that India beat south africa in atleast one test in both the previous tours.. this is a young Indian team with very less experience. So we don't really mind even if we lose the series 2-0 because its a learning curve for all the youngsters in the team.. btw its so funny to see people boasting aboit a team which has never won an icc trophy and had been tagged as chokers.. give and take respect dudes.. We have utmost respect for all the players in ur team especially steyn, kallis, hashim and abd.. they are great cricketers no doubt in that.. So think before u speak..

  • Vivfan on December 10, 2013, 4:11 GMT

    The only horrible mistake that has happened in this tour was India choosing to tour SA. After Steyn & co finish with India's flat-track batsman, & SA top & middle order destroy India's equally poor bowlers; team Blue will never want to tour Overseas again.

    The worst mistake is that, this series being so short India's batsman & bowlers will never be able to grasp & handle ability of playing on seaming-pacy conditions. This is a deadly mistake that BCCI clearly overlooked.

  • AKS286 on December 10, 2013, 4:02 GMT

    De Lange is not fully fit but he is playing domestic cricket..... Intresting But I will prefer Kyle Abbott or Tsotsobe in place of Rory. Harmar should be a good option as a spin allrounder. Elgar is an opening batsman no need to push him in down the order. DJ Vilas / Kuhn for Thami. AB is having lots of burden. let Vilas/Kuhn to keep the wicket.

  • Kover_Drive on December 10, 2013, 3:57 GMT

    No need to muscle around for team changes, select any team and India will give it away with 0-2.

  • on December 10, 2013, 3:54 GMT

    The way the Indians played the 2 ODI's, it appears like a total white-wash. I predict SA to win all their games. The Indians can only play at home.

  • INDSlider on December 10, 2013, 3:48 GMT

    @ GRVJPR: Same thing you did expected before the ODIs. Didn't you?

  • INDSlider on December 10, 2013, 3:30 GMT

    India is in a crisis situation after the humiliating thrash in ODIs. So this has to be capitalized in tests. Saffas won't get such an opportunity to give a go for their emerging players like Elgar, Hendrics, Levi, Van Jarsveld, Viljoen, Piedt. They can temporarily rest their players over 30 years of age like Kallis, Smith, Amla and Steyn. All the best Saffas!!!

  • cricinfo_is_the_best on December 10, 2013, 3:21 GMT

    @GRVJPR-Which horrible mistake are you talking about?

  • INDSlider on December 10, 2013, 3:19 GMT

    India is in a crisis situation after the humiliating thrash in ODIs. So this has to be capitalized in tests. Saffas won't get such an opportunity to give a go for their emerging players like Elgar, Hendrics, Levi, Van Jarsveld, Viljoen, Piedt. They can temporarily rest their players over 30 years of age like Kallis, Smith, Amla and Steyn. All the best Saffas!!!

  • ketaann on December 10, 2013, 3:08 GMT

    this is very unfair that CSA selected best squad, instead of they should give chance to bench strengh vs team like india at home. Now both tests will played in 5 days between them.

  • on December 10, 2013, 2:41 GMT

    de villar should be given rest from wicket keeper and de kock should be included

  • Happy_hamster on December 10, 2013, 2:30 GMT

    Shame it is only 2 tests because the potent pace attack and proven batsmen of India being touted would help them close the gap at the top of the rankings ; and back to where they belong ranked No.1 where they belong because their board has the most money.

  • Buggsy on December 10, 2013, 1:41 GMT

    Don't think it matters who they select really. SA 2-0.

  • on December 10, 2013, 0:25 GMT

    even s.a bring new faces in team still they will manage to win the series because india can not handle situation

  • orangtan on December 10, 2013, 0:14 GMT

    India holds individual records (Tendulkar highest number of Tests/runs, Sehwag highest ODI score) but they nowl have a good chance of "establishing" a team record breaking the almost 6-decade long Kiwi record of lowest score (26) in a Test innings. Australia almost made it 2 years ago when they were 21 for 9 but the last pair piled on 26 and more than doubled the total to 47. Come on India, you can plumb new depths.

  • on December 10, 2013, 0:05 GMT

    @Naveed Khan: I do believe Smith should give place for Quinton De Kock. But It might be little early for Quinton De Kock to play test. Let him play First Class games first. Let me put this way, he should have been included in the 15 man squad, because if South Africa wins the first Test, then they can probably start him as an opner in second Test. This way if he can get the feeling of the Test before South Africa plays against Australia in February. I got an inside feeling, that Quinton De Kock will be the next legend for South Africa.

  • Nampally on December 9, 2013, 21:44 GMT

    Absence of De Kock from the Test side should be a huge relief for India. He scored a century in each of the 2 ODI's. Fortunately for India, Pujara will be in the side & hopefully bring some sanity to the batting. Vijay is expected to do well as an opener, despite his indifferent form in India. Indian opening stand will be the key to a competitive total. I do hope the top 5 Indian batsmen show some gumption to stand there & be counted as run getters. As for the SA team, they will enter the test #1 full of confidence after beating India in ODI's into submission decisively! Inclusion of ZAK, Pujara & Vijay will change the team little bit & boost the Team morale. SA bowling & batting continues to remain strong. No wonder it is ranked the #1 team in the Tests. India's best bet is to win the toss, bat patiently to put up at least 400 & push the match to the 5th day.They have the guys capable of scoring centuries on the Indian pitches. Slip Catching will be crucial factor. Good Luck to both!

  • Desihungama on December 9, 2013, 21:32 GMT

    De Kock is the future star of South African Cricket. Let him continue to play ODI's for the time being and develop his game and confidence. The time is not too far off when he's called into the Test side. Patience is the key here.

  • tests_the_best on December 9, 2013, 20:38 GMT

    As an Indian supporter, I feel we should be patient with this young inexperienced Ind batting lineup. Even the Fab 4 of Dravid, SRT, Laxman Ganguly didn't fare too well when they toured SA the first time in 1996 (though SRT had played in 1992) which included the infamous 100 & 66 all out in Durban.

    Realistically speaking, I am fine with Ind losing both games as long as they put up a fight in both of them. Drawing a test would be even better. Winning a test, frankly, looks to be a remote possibility. As long as they don't get rolled over under 100 like other sides in recent times and make SA work hard for a win, it would be a big step forward for this young Indian side and would earn them respect from fans back home.

  • on December 9, 2013, 19:58 GMT

    Dhoni&Co. Must show good responsibility .

  • on December 9, 2013, 18:54 GMT

    Smith should give place to Quinton De Kock.

  • on December 9, 2013, 18:44 GMT

    agree. no need to change test squad especially on home conditions. little bit question mark on faf and rory.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on December 9, 2013, 17:47 GMT

    Ok. I agree that De Kock shouldn't be in the squad because he wont get picked in the starting eleven YET, so instead of him sitting around he could be playing FC cricket.

    Kleinveld and R. Petersen are rubbish and they wont make the starting 11 either but there is one guy who is under the spot light. Faff. Both these guys forms are seriously lacking. I am gutted for McClaren, he should have got a spot too.

    SA Team: 1. Smith 2. A.Petersen 3. Amla 4.Kallis 5.AB 6. JP 7.Faff/Elgar 8.Vernon 9.Steyn 10.Morkel 11.Tahir.

    What a team! SA bat all the way to 7 with genuine batsmen and then 3 prong pace attack that has already rolled out 3 International teams for under 100 runs in the past year...

  • on December 9, 2013, 17:28 GMT

    Guys from SA I have a question to ask.Why this mediocre Kleinveldt gets selected? Is B Henricks far better option.Also he is left handed.Saw him during the India A series.Pretty impressive.Looks like D Lange is not fit.

  • GRVJPR on December 9, 2013, 17:20 GMT

    This is horrible mistake from south africa. They seem to be getting complacent. Great chance for India to smash them in test series.

  • viru-319-219 on December 9, 2013, 16:34 GMT

    SA best possible XI is Smith,Alviro,Amla,Kallis,DeVilliers,Duminy,DuPlessis,Philander,Steyn,Morkel,Tahir. 'Tahir is not needed in SA against India' is a insane statement. Spinners are a must in tests,reasons being they are the ones who bowl the most overs in a match helping pacers to be fresh and they play a key role on 4th and 5th day of a test. Squad above however has 4 Pacers including Kallis and 5th pacer will be under utilized. IND starting XI most likely will be Vijay,Dhawan,Pujara,Kohli,Rohit,Rahane,Dhone,Ashwin,Bhuvi,Zaheer and Shami But conditions in Jo'burg may push Dhoni to include Ishant or Umesh (I think Umesh most probably) instead of Bhuvi for Pace and Bounce. Indian bowlers need to hit the deck instead of just putting the bowl as they do in Indian conditions. They need to put in extra effort like Steyn or Morkel to make use of bounce available.

  • on December 9, 2013, 16:11 GMT

    team india to change the batting order : rahane,dhawan,kohli,dhoni,rohit,raina, jaddu,bhuvi,shami,ishant,umesh. @ no.4 rohit can move if the top order fall with in 25 overs

    first 10 overs bhuvi,ishant-3 overs,jaddu,sami-2 each to quit control the runs. the upcoming pitch is good bowling pitch in south africa. !

  • on December 9, 2013, 16:07 GMT

    I feel they should feel confident now and play Kallis at no. 3 for a few matches. Kallis has been performing in patches and it would take a couple of matches with a good number of overs to bat to get in form.

  • roook on December 9, 2013, 15:48 GMT

    Robin Peterson should be preferred over Imran tahir in south african condition and he has a better record with both bat and bowl

  • Gareth_Bain on December 9, 2013, 15:47 GMT

    I'm pretty sure Marchant de Lange isn't fully fit. He hasn't turned out for Titans yet, only the B-side.... I think the unchanged side is perfectly justified. Nobody deserved dropping, although a few are under pressure... Faf (despite the excellent average, his recent performances have been less than stellar), Alviro (just been doing enough to keep his head above water), Elgar (hasn't really had an extended run to prove himself) and Kleinveldt (has looked really impressive to me, pace, bounce, accuracy - beat the bat a lot without getting wickets!) There are certainly plenty of options in the wings. Everyone seems De Kock-focused, but I'd like to see Cook get the next chance as an opener. I also imagine Bavuma, van Zyl and Rossouw have just about hammered the door open to a middle-order berth. Viljoen is the fastest bowler in South Africa at the moment; I really hope he gets a chance by the end of the summer!

  • on December 9, 2013, 15:24 GMT

    No point in discussion of all 15, SA will pick their 11 from following 12: Graeme Smith, Alviro Petersen, Hashim Amla, Jacques Kallis, AB de Villiers (wk), JP Duminy, Faf du Plessis, Morne Morkel, Vernon Philander, Dale Steyn, Imran Tahir/ Rory Kleinveldt.

    in fact SA may drop tahir considering India's vulnerability against fast bowling. We as an Indian spectators want our team to be tested by the best fast bowlers, we dont mind loosing 2-0 but we definitely want to find a new face who can counter attack fast bowling something that tendulkar use to do all the times or ganguly & dravid have done in 1996 against Eng or laxman in Aus on his first tour

  • srizulu1369 on December 9, 2013, 14:56 GMT

    @ Syed Mumtazuddin Ahmed: you must be joking when you say that smith and kallis should be out of the test side.. smith is the best test captain out there and no one plays better than him when the team needs, the centuries that he has scored speaks volumes about him, he is the only player who has not lost a single test match whenever he scores a century.. & kallis has got nothing to prove to anyone, he is still a pillar to the sa test team & his slip catches alone justifies his spot in the team... sa are the only truly deserving test team out there from the past few years & they will stay there for a long time as there is none who even come close

  • hnlns on December 9, 2013, 14:49 GMT

    This squad should be able to get a 2-0 result quite easily, if there are no serious weather interruptions, given the choice of venues and the fact that most of the Indian squad is rather new and trying to find their feet and are not used to balls coming above their knees during most of the their careers to date. I would be pleasantly surprised if SA is forced to bat second time in both games.

  • Testcricketistop on December 9, 2013, 14:44 GMT

    Quinton de Kock has learnt a lot from playing in the ODI's this year, if you rush his development you can hurt him psychologically.

    As Amla said in his interview the young man is learning how to assess conditions and pitches and how to approach his run scoring.

    Allow him an extra bit of time to be 100% ready before you expose him.

    He is still very young, remember Kallis came into test cricket at a young age and it took him two years to gain belief at test level. Prior to that his average was under 30.

    There is more than enough time to do this right.

  • AKS286 on December 9, 2013, 14:33 GMT

    Now India will be the next victim of The African Deadly Barrage (Steyn, Morkel, Phillander, Tsotsobe, De Lange). Indian strong batting can't resist this Barrage and SA will win this series with WHITEWASH which is Steyn free. De Lange , Abbott, BE Hendricks & Tsotsobe are ahead of medium pacer Klienveldt. Spinners are not going to impress in this series so its better to add Maclaren or Harmar in place of Robin. Harmar batting will strengthen the SA side. De Kock is not ideal for tests. DJ Vilas & Kuhn are better option to reduce the burden of AB. Smith, Petersen, Amla, AB, Kallis, Duminy, Vilas, Harmer, Steyn, Phillander, Morkel/De Lange/ Abbott/Hendricks .

  • MrGarreth on December 9, 2013, 14:30 GMT

    Really tired of these conservative Protea fans comments. If a guy is deserving then he should be given a chance regardless of age. Now is no more a perfect time to blood a youngster in such a professional environment that is the current SA Test side. Australia did it with Clarke at their peak and look at him now. They probably wish they had done it more. Amla, de Villiers and Steyn are more examples of guys who became world class within the setup. In fact one wonders if they would have reached those heights had they not been allowed to be around guys like Smith, Kallis, Ntini, Kirsten, Pollock etc. and instead were battling away at FC cricket. If de Kock fails it won't be as big an impact because we have at least 4 of the best batsmen in the world to make up for it. How many other sides can make that claim? Indeed only the Aussie side of the mid-2000s with Clarke I reckon. Not saying select him just saying don't not select because of age. Base it on performance. Boucher was 20 on debut

  • on December 9, 2013, 14:26 GMT

    sure de kock deserved to be in the first 11 not only in the squad. what could we do if south a started reserving places for player they will have a bad result in the end.

  • ZkAneela on December 9, 2013, 14:11 GMT

    I think De lange and De kock should be in the squad in place of kleinveld and dean elgar. Saying that de kock can also do the opening role with smith instead of alviro petersen who remains mostly out of form. De kock will play a role of a david warner type if given a chance upfront as every body knows test cricket is not only consist of blocking nowadays.

  • SyedAreYouDumb on December 9, 2013, 14:09 GMT

    Whatever team SA put out, I see an innings defeat. Philander, Steyn and Amla will be too hard!

  • theCricketPurist on December 9, 2013, 14:02 GMT

    It is good they have not included QDK. He needs to play more FC cricket. There is no need to rush him. He needs to be nurtured into the role, which will be his sooner rather than later.

    As for Rory, it is surprising he is in the squad. Honestly, McLaren, DeLange, Morris, Parnell and Tsotsobe all bring more value to the squad than him. So it is shocking to see him keep his place.

    You do not even need 2 spinners in RSA, and I am not sure Tahir will be great in these conditions. But since he has shown good form, its tough to drop him out.

    My squad would have been - Smith, A Peterson, Amla, Kallis, DeVilliers, Duminy, DuPlessis, Elgar, Tsolikile, Steyn, Philander, Morkel, McLaren, DeLange/Morris, Tahir/Peterson.

  • Shazy777 on December 9, 2013, 13:43 GMT

    Thami Tsolekile & Rory Kleinveldt is libality in S.a squad... drop them... Quinton de kock & Wayne Parnell far more better option....!!!

  • on December 9, 2013, 13:34 GMT

    Even if the selectors don't want to elevate De Kock to the test XI - surely he should be in the squad as back-up over Thami?

    Plus strange to see Klienvelt retained when you have wayyy better all-rounder/quick bowling options, in McClaren, De Lange, Hardus Viljeon and Chris Morris to choose from.

  • DeckChairand6pack on December 9, 2013, 13:21 GMT

    Powerful squad! QdK's time will come although I cannot think they are seriously considering Thami as a genuine understudy. Not entirely sure about Rory Kleinveldt either. Is Kyle Abbott injured? Looking forward to seeing Zak if he plays.

  • phat55 on December 9, 2013, 13:11 GMT

    this is an unbeaten team over numerous series thus far so changes happen very rarely I feel QdK needs another season or 3 of FC cricket & coupla tours with SA "A" I'd prefer Marchant deLange over Kleinveldt though

  • on December 9, 2013, 13:11 GMT

    Surprised to see De Kock is not in the test team

  • on December 9, 2013, 13:11 GMT

    I wonder why SA are persisting with Smith and Kallis. Their time is over. Except for a big score against Pakistan in the second match Smith has been out cheaply against Pakistan most of the time. De Kock should definitely have been in.

  • SurlyCynic on December 9, 2013, 13:02 GMT

    Who would you rather face as an Indian batsman - 150kph De Lange or 135kph Kleinveldt? I can think of plenty of other bowlers I'd choose ahead of Kleinveldt.

  • on December 9, 2013, 12:51 GMT

    come on SA Win the test series 2-0

  • on December 9, 2013, 12:48 GMT

    I appreciate what you say, but De Lange deserves his place back instead of Kleinveldt, and Robin Petersen doesn't turn it. McLaren has proved he is a wicket-taker, not economical. He should be more at home in the Test arena than the ODI arena. Also, De Villiers can't handle Tahir, he missed stumpings recently. De Kock has proved his usefulness with spinners, and all they need to do to protect him is put him in at no 7.

  • Andre117 on December 9, 2013, 12:42 GMT

    We all know how talented Quinny is. The problem is that the 2 players he would replace; Petersen and Elgar both scored recent 100s in FC cricket so you can't really drop them. I still believe a space must be made for him because he is too talented to wait any longer and he is riding the purplest of purple patches. Do the selectors need a reminder that he averages 55 in FC cricket at a strikerate of 86 with a top score of 194 against a strong Cobras side?

  • AB_DeVilliers on December 9, 2013, 12:41 GMT

    I would have included De Kock. There is no reason why he can't be blooded as the number 7 in the meantime, with a view to eventually moving him up the order. The number 7 spot for SA is also a specialist batting spot, and I rate De Kock above Faf who's the incumbent and struggling for form.

  • kbza86 on December 9, 2013, 12:38 GMT

    I agree with Tony Hughes.Qdk is in great form...he has to replace tsolekile in the team as a backup keeper. If we thrust Qdk into the set up now, he will grow mentally and be ready to fill in anytime. if we are considering the future of sa cricket, why not let him get a run as back up now? if a batsman gets injured, you can always ask elgar to jump in if you too scared to play a 21 year old..

  • on December 9, 2013, 12:37 GMT

    Despite it being only a two test match series - and before the Aussies come in Februray next year - I'm looking forward to seeing Kallis move inexorably towards achieving the 2nd highest all time run aggregate in tests and completing a truly GREAT all rounders figures by reducing the current gap of 12 needed to reach 300 wickets. I'm certainly confident he'll comfortably do both and indeed improve on them still further before he finally retires. He's been quoted as saying that stats don't interest him but when he has finished and like all cricketers he'll look at and anaylse them (with pride) knowing that they are unlikely ever to be matched across the five day format. When available I shall be very interested to read the latest book about him and 12 other fine SA all rounders knowing that IMHO he will go down - statistically - as the greatest all rounder of all time. Saluting King Kallis!!

  • on December 9, 2013, 12:23 GMT

    Why not Qdk? He can replace Peterson at the top. Plus he can share the wicket keeping duties with Ab De Villiers. May be they can swap the gloves around after each session. This will also reduce the burden on Ab.He is also not that young.Remember Sachin was only 16 when he made his test debut. Don't waste Qdk's precocious talent.

  • on December 9, 2013, 12:23 GMT

    This is the first time I feel India would do better in tests when compared to odis. We hav players tailor made for test cricket like pujara n zak is back. Zak umesh shami forms a potential fast bowling attack. It is better to go with 7 batsman n play Rahane at 5 and rohit continue to play at 6.. Vijay and dhawan if they survive for 10 overs we could see our batsmen scoring 350+..

  • Gordo85 on December 9, 2013, 11:57 GMT

    To me Ryan McLaren should have been retained in place of Rory Kleinveldt. And Robin Peterson has struggled at the moment so I would have picked someone else like Shaun von Berg to only play if something happened to Imran Tahir. I can't understand why Thami Tsolekile keeps on getting in these squads either he plays or stop selecting him and I mean he is getting older and yet not having played in any Test matches at all.

  • on December 9, 2013, 11:55 GMT

    Why must QdK bide his time? Why not make him backup keeper? Is Thami really still in the picture?

    I get that Quinnie is not quite 21 but give him at elast the flavor of Test Matches by including him in the squad. Let him see how different it is - if it really is - from LOIs.

    It's not like he's struggling with the bat.

  • srizulu1369 on December 9, 2013, 11:37 GMT

    Dekock is talented enough & I believe he should replace Alviro Peterson in the team as he is been not consistent & introducing dekock is going to do good for sa future.... sa test future is in safe hands as we have good bench strength.. Need to transform the test form to ODI & T20's...

  • on December 9, 2013, 11:20 GMT

    I kind of wonder why no kyle abbot is not included?

  • hanumanthchavala on December 9, 2013, 11:19 GMT

    dont estimate the batsmen based on odi stats learn from indian batsman kohli what he doing in test matches. remember that you dont have enough knowledge than the great captain smith. he know how to maintain a test team and odi team and t20 that is the secret of sa tiredless cricket and tremendous record but god giving a bad luck to them when wc running in 2003, 2013, icc champ. that is the only reason for drawback of major tourn only . its not your team technic fault remember that. you are the only team when aus allout your team 90 then you repleid to aus 47 for allout. 434 chase on pace and bounce pitch. you won test series on aus in aus the legendary team in world. iam form india

  • on December 9, 2013, 11:13 GMT

    India will get out below 100 like australia,pakistan and new zealand

  • Udendra on December 9, 2013, 11:11 GMT

    wow, that's confidence. Conditions & opponents are altogether different, but they don't change the squad. Says something.

  • Sachit1979 on December 9, 2013, 11:10 GMT

    Looks like that was an agreement SA board did with Indian board to negotiate on this series in order to allow guests take advantage out of it. Does not really look like selection to combat India. No logic to include Kleinveldt, Peterson, Elgar and Tsolekile. Instead they could have included in form batsmen deKock, Ashwell Prince and 2 genuine fast bowlers (may be de Lange and Tsotsobe).

  • wanatawu on December 9, 2013, 11:07 GMT

    Qdk must still be working on some technical difficulties in his batting.Also although he caught some great catches, he also must some sitters.

  • Protears on December 9, 2013, 10:58 GMT

    We are trying to look after De Kock, limited overs cricket is a good grounding for him to express himself but the pressures of test match cricket I dont think he needs to be exposed to just on trending craze. De Kock will be a test match player but just not yet. We also don't need a keeper at the moment with AB doing a really good job behind the stumps.

    The squad was pretty much expected, very settled now.

    I am not sure why the Wanderers is termed a green pitch, a green pitch has a distinct green tinge to it due to fresh grass binding the surface, the Wanderers has grass to bind the surface but by day 3-5 can be as docile as any pitch. Its not our fault teams since England in 2009 cannot last 3 days, and as much as it encourages seamers, whatever benefits Steyn et al get, is the same for the opposition, the only difference is that Steyn and Philander are just world class operators.

  • PACERONE on December 9, 2013, 10:49 GMT

    Those that are calling for De Kock inclusion in the team are very short sighted.He has to replace a batsman first and keep wicket.If a batsman was to be injured I believe that he would be selected.Smith is prone to injuries and if that happens De Kock would get his chance.

  • Blade-Runner on December 9, 2013, 10:48 GMT

    Well, Its now gonna be the same squad and the same results for India.0-2 . At least they will get to extend to their awesome away record from 0-8 to 0-10 . Isn't that wonderful ? Cheers !!!

  • on December 9, 2013, 10:21 GMT

    De Kock should have been included. I would say Kleinveldt is pretty ordinary and SA should consider picking someone like De Lange or Kyle Abbott; maybe they are injured at the moment. Overall, it's a great group of players and the hosts should win both the matches. I think Indian batsmen will struggle in these conditions against the likes of Steyn, Philander and Morkel.

  • CricketMaan on December 9, 2013, 10:21 GMT

    Why do they need Imran and RP? 3 seamers on a green Wanderes pitch is enough to anihilate Indians, they dont even need a fourth seamer.

  • Waheed_Vadi on December 9, 2013, 10:20 GMT

    How can you include Quinton de Kock in the Test side?! Do you want to end his career before it even starts?! Baby steps. No reason to throw the boy in the deep end. Let him settle and make his mark at ODI level before exposing him to Test cricket. He's only ever played 18 First Class games and now you want him to play Test Cricket? Do me a favour.

    At the end of the day, Quinton is a big talent in really good form, but there are glaring technical deficiencies in his game. He may get away with that in ODI and T20 cricket, but it will be exposed very, VERY quickly in Test Cricket. The boy isn't ready and by rushing him, he'll lose a lot of the confidence and form he currently has, if and when bowlers expose his weaknesses.

    One also has to take into account Quinton's personality. His cricket may have improved, but he certainly isn't a grown up - just look at him or listen to him speak. Quinton is a boy playing a man's game at the moment. He isn't mature enough for Test Cricket either!

  • CricketMaan on December 9, 2013, 10:18 GMT

    SA fans proabably were not listening to the commentary yesterday. Senior SA cricketers said, QDK has to wait and score a lot more and should not be pushed too early in all formats. I agree, let him continue his scores in the 2nd season as well and in A games before being pushed into senior squads. He also needs to show his game in other A tours especially in sub-continent while keeping on those low bounce flat tracks wiht hot and humid conditions.

  • ashekahmed on December 9, 2013, 10:18 GMT

    No doubt,India is going to get a great smash by south Africa.Whitewash is obvious here and again it is to be proved that,India is worst outside their country.Even though....we want great cricket from both the teams.

  • on December 9, 2013, 10:15 GMT

    de kock should have been included. he showed maturity in his batting and aggression when needed

  • Solid_Snake on December 9, 2013, 10:14 GMT

    De Kock is really great Find for SA team..Saw him first playing in the T20 Champions League..Just loved watching him bat..He has got a brilliant future

  • on December 9, 2013, 10:10 GMT

    oh again a disappointing selection.y is Tsolekile is the side,after all he is 33.jus look T Dekock he is only 20 & hav done very well in the ODI'S,so instead of giving him a chance the old & not performing guy like Tsolekile is given a chance shame..and instead of bringing In Simon Harmer & Hardius Viljoen u hav opted for Robin peterson & Kleinveldt.gr8...i pity the selection comittee..bad selection..seriuosly...

  • Alexk400 on December 9, 2013, 10:08 GMT

    This is where SA making mistakes. De kock should get the wicket keeper spot. Period. I know its quota system if two players are equal then black players should get auto choice. But when Quinton playing well you should reward him otherwise he will go to england just like KP went.

    One of the way to solve this puzzle is recent form index (0-10) and potential index (0-10) for every player. so if two player are same level then it has to go african player. if white player has index rating +3 then he gets chance.

    We have to make black people in africa get fair treatment so they all start to show enthusiasm to show off their skills without too many bricks thrown on their way.

    That said if a player is extordinary form he should get first chance.

  • on December 9, 2013, 10:05 GMT

    A clean sweep for South Africa... Very disappointing to see Indian batting crumble like anything in SA.

  • on December 9, 2013, 10:05 GMT

    As long as AB wants to keep wicket the other keeper in the squad is just the drinks carrier. Obviously QdK is the long term answer but in the short term let the youngster play FC cricket and keep working on his game instead of sitting around for weeks/months on end in the Test squad.

  • on December 9, 2013, 9:52 GMT

    SA selectors dropped the ball again. Marchant de Lange and Quinton de Kock should have been in here in place of Kleinveldt and Thami.

  • on December 9, 2013, 9:47 GMT

    Quinton de Kock is the future behind the stumps in all formats. Should be in test squad now so he can start pushing for a place. Eventually he will force his way into the team where he can bat at 6 or 7. Ridiculous decision to keep Thami on. He is a good keeper no doubt but De Kock is the future and a better player currently.

  • on December 9, 2013, 9:38 GMT

    Another foreign white wash waiting for Indian team after Australia and England.

  • on December 9, 2013, 9:35 GMT

    Quinton De Kock's exclusion is really surprising... SA could have utilised his form really well.. His wicket keeping skills would have come into the mix, and could have taken the excess burden off from AB De Villiers! However, its a settled side and is likely to emerge victorious in the test series..

  • aeroboy.ae on December 9, 2013, 9:35 GMT

    Quinton De Kock should be included..

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  • aeroboy.ae on December 9, 2013, 9:35 GMT

    Quinton De Kock should be included..

  • on December 9, 2013, 9:35 GMT

    Quinton De Kock's exclusion is really surprising... SA could have utilised his form really well.. His wicket keeping skills would have come into the mix, and could have taken the excess burden off from AB De Villiers! However, its a settled side and is likely to emerge victorious in the test series..

  • on December 9, 2013, 9:38 GMT

    Another foreign white wash waiting for Indian team after Australia and England.

  • on December 9, 2013, 9:47 GMT

    Quinton de Kock is the future behind the stumps in all formats. Should be in test squad now so he can start pushing for a place. Eventually he will force his way into the team where he can bat at 6 or 7. Ridiculous decision to keep Thami on. He is a good keeper no doubt but De Kock is the future and a better player currently.

  • on December 9, 2013, 9:52 GMT

    SA selectors dropped the ball again. Marchant de Lange and Quinton de Kock should have been in here in place of Kleinveldt and Thami.

  • on December 9, 2013, 10:05 GMT

    As long as AB wants to keep wicket the other keeper in the squad is just the drinks carrier. Obviously QdK is the long term answer but in the short term let the youngster play FC cricket and keep working on his game instead of sitting around for weeks/months on end in the Test squad.

  • on December 9, 2013, 10:05 GMT

    A clean sweep for South Africa... Very disappointing to see Indian batting crumble like anything in SA.

  • Alexk400 on December 9, 2013, 10:08 GMT

    This is where SA making mistakes. De kock should get the wicket keeper spot. Period. I know its quota system if two players are equal then black players should get auto choice. But when Quinton playing well you should reward him otherwise he will go to england just like KP went.

    One of the way to solve this puzzle is recent form index (0-10) and potential index (0-10) for every player. so if two player are same level then it has to go african player. if white player has index rating +3 then he gets chance.

    We have to make black people in africa get fair treatment so they all start to show enthusiasm to show off their skills without too many bricks thrown on their way.

    That said if a player is extordinary form he should get first chance.

  • on December 9, 2013, 10:10 GMT

    oh again a disappointing selection.y is Tsolekile is the side,after all he is 33.jus look T Dekock he is only 20 & hav done very well in the ODI'S,so instead of giving him a chance the old & not performing guy like Tsolekile is given a chance shame..and instead of bringing In Simon Harmer & Hardius Viljoen u hav opted for Robin peterson & Kleinveldt.gr8...i pity the selection comittee..bad selection..seriuosly...

  • Solid_Snake on December 9, 2013, 10:14 GMT

    De Kock is really great Find for SA team..Saw him first playing in the T20 Champions League..Just loved watching him bat..He has got a brilliant future