The Investec Ashes 2013

England players apologise for Oval revelry

ESPNcricinfo staff

August 28, 2013

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Alastair Cook kisses the Ashes urn, England v Australia, 5th Investec Test, The Oval, 5th day, August 25, 2013
"It was a simple error of judgement more than anything else" © PA Photos

The England players have apologised for their celebrations at The Oval after winning the Ashes 3-0 on Sunday. There were reports - neither officially confirmed nor denied - that they had urinated on the pitch but the statement issued via the ECB on Wednesday did not go into the specifics of the incident.

"The England cricket team would like to state that during our celebrations after winning the Ashes at no time was there any intention to disrespect Surrey CCC, The Oval or anyone else involved in the game we love," the statement read.

"As a team we pride ourselves on respecting all things cricket including the opposition and the grounds we play at. We got carried away amongst the euphoria of winning such a prestigious series and accept that some of our behaviour was inappropriate.

"If that has caused any offence to anyone we apologise for that and want to reassure people that it was a simple error of judgement more than anything else."

Australian cricket journalists were still at The Oval after the crowds had dispersed when they reported seeing several England players taking it turns to relieve themselves on the pitch. It is not known how many players were involved.

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Posted by   on (December 19, 2013, 4:01 GMT)

@manish1020 nobody considers beating Australia an achievement anymore? Wow major case of egg on face now. I bet your wishing you could get even close to australia now... Say bye to the Ashes for a long time

Posted by   on (August 31, 2013, 9:26 GMT)

Not the worst thing they could have done!

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (August 30, 2013, 12:42 GMT)

I see many comments backing England players on this and justifying their act. Why? This is the lowest level of celebration

Posted by BartBart on (August 30, 2013, 3:27 GMT)

I am sick of people giving Claytons apologies. STOP blaming the public by saying "we apologise if anyone was offended" instead of "we apologise for doing the wrong thing". It is NOT the public's fault for being offended by the bad behaviour.

Posted by Harlequin. on (August 29, 2013, 16:46 GMT)

Also, some of the comments below are brilliant! People complaining about it like they were actually there and being urinated on themselves! 'Ban them for 5 years' from Kiran Reddy is my favourite. Lets put this in perspective; no-one was hurt, no damage was caused, no rules were broken (except perhaps public urination, although they could argue it wasn't in public), no kids were there to be traumatised. It's a natural bodily function and I don't see how people who weren't there are getting so offended about it.

Disrespect to a cricket ground? Give me a break, it's not the Temple Mount!!!

Posted by bhusaranga on (August 29, 2013, 15:58 GMT)

Nothing is permanent in this world. A momment of happiness should not take away all your earnings.

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (August 29, 2013, 14:03 GMT)

Respect your office work place. It is your bread and butter..

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 14:02 GMT)

Wait for two months.. we will do the same at home when you come to return the #urn

Posted by Rayhan on (August 29, 2013, 11:42 GMT)

England is no doubt is a great test team & their players are ideal for juniors & coming generations through out the world. Although, they have apologies, but they should remember that they have millions of cricket fans over the world having age circle from seven years to seventy years. Therefore, it is always expected that they will always show excellence of execution & sports man spirit on the field & off the field. I am not blaming English players but I would like to say that execution of sports man spirit is always expected from all sportsman & specially for those who have millions of fans through out the world on all age circles.

Therefore, we suggest that every sports man should be a gentleman on & off the field so that the juniors & coming generations learn from them & they treat sports representatives as a member of peace & love & the humanity should be proud of them.

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 7:24 GMT)

it is the most disgraceful act on the part of the English players - mere apologising for a shameful act on a sacred ground does not suffice - thorough enquiry should be made and if found guilty they should all be banned from playing at the historic Oval for ever -

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 6:47 GMT)

A number of people seem to be implying that this was somehow a planned act of celebration. There's no indication of that at all. I suppose that we'll never know exactly what happened but can imagine it. The team would have been sitting on or around the pitch reminiscing about the game, the series and England's current dominance over Australia. They were drinking, as you do when celebrating, and someone realised that they needed to go and expressed annoyance at having to walk 200m there and back to use a toilet. Someone else suggested that they just go on the grass as it wouldn't do any harm and noone was around to see anyway. Someone else suggested that it would be a lark to do it on the pitch, maybe because it was the only water it would have seen in weeks. Everyone had a laugh at that so a number of them decided to do it. It was crass and they shouldn't have done it but lots of people do crass things they shouldn't when in high spirits and drinking. THERE WAS NO HARM DONE!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 5:56 GMT)

@Sreekanth Bhaskar on (August 29, 2013, 5:36 GMT), if we're so concerned about children then why is this being reported at all? There were no children present when it happened and no children would have known anything about it if it was not needlessly reported in the first place.

Posted by SherjilIslam on (August 29, 2013, 5:51 GMT)

Can't believe players like KP were a part of this. Utter shameful act. Sorry to say but not even a mad man could have done what these so called English superstars did! I can't imagine even in my wildest of dreams that i will be peeing on my scientific calculator or for that matter my design data books(I m a Design Engineer by profession) celebrating a huge project success.

Posted by Vincent49 on (August 29, 2013, 5:45 GMT)

I think everyone is making a mountain out of a mole hill. Where's the harm?

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 5:36 GMT)

Ban the guilty ... These are role models for kids and should behave as such ...

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 5:34 GMT)

@Wasif Minhas on (August 29, 2013, 5:03 GMT), that tag should have been removed years ago. Most people now don't even know what it really means. No professional sport is a gentleman's game nowadays. The English board has already done what they deem necessary but apparently that's not good enough for a whole bunch of people who have nothing to do with the incident. If England players had done this in their country then I could understand the outrage but it's hardly an intentional act of contempt when they pee on their own ground. Have people forgotten that it's just soil, grass and water? The last time I checked, water soaks into soil and evaporates off grass.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 5:16 GMT)

@disco_bob on (August 29, 2013, 3:45 GMT), how do you know it wasn't the fast bowlers doing it because they weren't impressed with the dry, pitches that made their lives more difficult? You say that you're guessing but you're just guess something that gives you license to criticise with no actual evidence. Your talking about beating England 5-0 sounds rather more like hubris to me after having gone 0-8 in your last three series. You have no idea whether this incident had anything to do with anything other than men drinking and being stupid. I don't think any Australian has too much room to be criticising on that front.

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 5:04 GMT)

if it was doing by pakistan player ICC must take immediate action and create a commitee who set out Pakistani players to play any type of cricket level allegation that the palyer have spoiled the spirit of game and gave bad name to cricket. where are you Mr.suderland ,where are you Mr. Lorgat, where are you Mr.English Cricket Board where is your so called diginity and soberness.

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 5:03 GMT)

Apologies... give me a break. English board must set example by imposing fines or whatever they deem necessary to discourage such behaviour. or we should remove 'a gentleman's game' tag from cricket.

Posted by mvcric on (August 29, 2013, 4:19 GMT)

This is downright shameful and the apologists trying to brush this off would do well to reflect on what kind of a crass and loutish example these England cricketers have probably set for youngsters around the world.

The game will get even with these cricketers in its own way, for sure.

Posted by NickoSlicko on (August 29, 2013, 4:04 GMT)

I remember the last time I had a big win at work - a promotion! Certainly didn't feel compelled to walk back into my office and pee on the carpet!

What a disgrace!

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 3:59 GMT)

i am an ardent English fan.I have been following their matches since 1950. If what i hear is true . it is highly ridiculous and despicable. It will create apathy and disrespect. This should be vehemently condemned by all cricket loving people.

Posted by   on (August 29, 2013, 3:46 GMT)

So...Monty taking a leak in public is serious business but this lot whizzing on the pitch is a "boys will be boys" thing? Just saying...

Posted by disco_bob on (August 29, 2013, 3:45 GMT)

I would guess that since it was the pitch that they would be congratulating themselves on having prepared dry slow wickets and urinating on it would be some sort of a joke. Let us hope that this childish display of hubris is rewarded when they arrive in Australia later. I think we might whitewash them 5-0 for the second time

Posted by Vikas_Vadgama on (August 29, 2013, 3:41 GMT)

The pitch / ground is where a player earns his bread & butter. No player from cricket or any other sport should do like this. The ground is there to be respected. I had lot of respect for this English bunch of cricketers who took the team on a high after the bad phase of 1990s & early 2000s. But they lost all respect from my side now.

Posted by spinybabbler on (August 29, 2013, 3:06 GMT)

If any journalist was there why were not the pictures or videos taken? It is a serious offence to do such thing in a sporting ground. Remember Warner punching a Englishman way outside a cricketing ground?

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (August 29, 2013, 3:05 GMT)

These celebrations which ended up being a bit extremely perhaps give us a clue as to why English is not becoming a force in world cricket they should have. They are too happy beating a weak Australian team in their home conditions. Definitely it's something to celebrate but by no means like this. Some of the media comments like 'What next for England?', 'Not many goals left' etc.. are also overwhelming for a victory like this. They are celebrating their win in the Ashes more than they celebrated their No.1 test ranking even though short lived. That tells you something about their mindset.

I am not trying to be critical here of their fans but only their players. They should at least keep their feet firmly planted on the ground based on their achievements so far.

Posted by neil99 on (August 29, 2013, 2:32 GMT)

Sarfin "It's really disgraceful... This incident is disgusting and unimaginable, asking for punishment, but we shouldn't get carried away either"

Jumping on the bandwagon perhaps? You're post is completely over the top. This incident happend past 12 minight, the ground was devoid of spectators and the opposition. It's shouldn't have happend, but all that's required is an apology.

It is quite strange that Australian journalists reported the incident. Sour grapes spring to mind.

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (August 29, 2013, 2:27 GMT)

This is quite disturbing to say the least. Urinating on a pitch is just one of the biggest forms of disrespect a cricketer could do. Do they not know that some batsman (chanderpaul for example) sometimes kiss the pitch after making a big score? And what of the poor ground staff who have to clean that up This is a pretty serious matter and should be dealt with. If the names of the players ever came out, those players would have to deal with that for the rest of their lives and NOBODY would forget

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 1:46 GMT)

@desiboy454 on (August 28, 2013, 15:37 GMT), the pitch is supposed to be respected in that it should not be artificially altered during a game such that it may affect the way it plays. This incident occurred at night, after the game had finished and the pitch was no longer in use. At that stage, it's just a strip of dirt with some dead grass on it. Weeing on it was not going to affect anyone in any way. I'm a cricket fan and have been for a long time and I find nothing disrespectful in what they did. Weeing in public is rather crass so I'm not impressed from that point of view but they didn't actually think that anyone was watching so it wasn't especially public from that point of view. It's not like they did it during a game in view of the crowd.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 29, 2013, 0:34 GMT)

@OttawaRocks on (August 28, 2013, 13:37 GMT), yeah, but that just goes to show how stupid the whole thing is. Do you think that Justin Bieber was thinking "gee, I really hate the Chicago Blackhawks and I'm going to show how much by stomping on their logo as though I'm stomping on their players"? Of course not. Noone was actually hurt by his act unless they actually chose to be, and even then it's just a stupid caveman bravado. People may call hockey a religion in Canada but let's not forget that there's no actual deity involved; just people. He stepped on the floor, that's all. In this case, the English players peed on the grass. I'm certainly no fan of urinating in public but they didn't even think it was public, being in the dark and 100m from people they didn't even know were there. It's crass at worst and people are just choosing to get upset. If those from the subcontinent are more sensitive to this then so be it, but this didn't happen in the subcontinent.

Posted by Mr_Truth on (August 28, 2013, 23:55 GMT)

I struggle to see any consistency in disciplinary action. Dave Warner effectively got a 2 match suspension for throwing a punch that missed, whilst Monty Panesar is cleared to play the next series for actually urinating on people - I'm not sure that he even missed any games as Swann was ahead of him for selection anyway. Of course players will use the pitch in this way when they see no action taken over the Panesar incident. The ECB is weak - in 1897 Bobby Peel was alleged (only alleged, mind!) to have urinated on the pitch, and he never played 1st Class cricket ever again. Whether any action is taken over this matter will not stop Cook's team from getting flak from the Australian crowd when they tour - Lehmann should have waited before he made his comments about cheating - the England team have brought this upon themselves with their behaviour.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 22:28 GMT)

This is all being blown out of proportion by the England bashers who have nothing better to do since England won the series and spoiled their party.

Posted by Navaidzuberi on (August 28, 2013, 22:28 GMT)

I, along with my 11 year old son, watched the match at Oval and left the ground among the last few spectators at around 8:45 - 9:00 pm. When we were leaving, all the English players were in dressing room. We witnessed all the celebrations closely. English players were very respectful towards crowd, they mixed-up with them, shook hands, gave autographs etc. My son Zain also got 5 players autographs. But I noticed that the Aus players were totally indifferent and impassive, not even looking towards the crowd. Their body language suggested that they are attending the presentation as a compulsion. Same body language was demonstrated by Aus staff and media persons present there. Everybody understand that they were down due to loss, but as professionals, they should not show their emotions. Aussie Journalists reporting of this incident and recent Lehman comments about Broad reflects the overall hostile mood towards England. Pretty tough and unfriendly conditions await England in Aus.

Posted by Couvajedimaster on (August 28, 2013, 21:35 GMT)

If all of this is true, I wonder what joy was derived from this behaviour.

Posted by cricke0123 on (August 28, 2013, 20:24 GMT)

What I'm struggling to understand is how peeing around can be a celebration?!!

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (August 28, 2013, 16:44 GMT)

I can never imagine a baseball player or hockey player in Canada or the USA ever urinating at a stadium. This is worthy of a big punishment. ALL the English players involved should be suspended for a lengthy duration. This is disgusting. No matter how well you play in a series, it's the way you celebrate that actually will speak volumes about your class, and attitude. This is POOR class from the English players. Shame on them. They have let their fans and supporters down. This is also why human beings should never consume alcohol.

Posted by desiboy454 on (August 28, 2013, 15:37 GMT)

Disgusting, I read here a lot of ppl talking about backgrounds, I am Indian but have grown up in the US. I feel as if all cricketers should respect cricket, and isn't the pitch supposed to be respected in a way? This was a test series not a world cup where you beat the worlds best, you beat the most depleted Australian side I've seen in my 20 years of life. I've said it before and ill say it again, the Englishmen are the most stuck up cricketers in the world. I think the ECB should at least take some action. They pride themselves on disciple and what not, isn't this disciple? Can't expect much from Giles Clarke can you? hope this gets posted!

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 15:18 GMT)

my first comment ever on this site. well emotions can run really high when u achieve something like winning an ashes.but, what separates this team from a common man is, their professionalism and responsibility of representing the country. if they have done this, there should be no shame in admitting their fault. but cricket is a gentleman game and should remain so. i hope they don't bring this game to a shame again if they have done so. Good Luck England

Posted by screamingeagle on (August 28, 2013, 14:06 GMT)

of course, why the hue and cry? They are the English cricket team for heavens sake. Stop all this outcry, its their team, their pitch, their standards. Do not judge. Of course, if they urinated or to be politically correct, behaved in a disrespectful manner, in a foreign country, we can start judging. Now, it is for the UK guys to judge and take a call. :)

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (August 28, 2013, 14:01 GMT)

@jmcilhinney, the groundsmen normally start the process as soon as stumps are called at the end of the game, usually just putting a sprinkler on to help encourage the grass.

Obviously with such a late finsih they may have decided to leave it until the following morning.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 14:00 GMT)

They said they got carried away and some of their behaviours were 'inappropriate.' The question is: what were these behaviours? If they involved urinating on the pitch then how can this be forgiven? How can these players who play the game at the highest level forget their manners after having a 'few drinks?' Clearly, we are not being told the whole truth. From the reports it was more than a simple error of judgement and somebody should be answerable.

Posted by PhillieFanatic on (August 28, 2013, 13:54 GMT)

Offensive behavior is always in the eye of the beholder and not in the intentions of the perpetrator. Cricket is an international multicultural game, and test cricketers are always ambassadors of the game and representatives of their respective country. To behave "crassly" or in an "unforgivable" fashion is a matter of degree, depending on your culture, but more importantly it represents a lack of maturity and sensitivity on the part of the English players and their leadership. Some form of punishment for the offenders seems necessary.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 13:50 GMT)

There is an implicit acceptance of the facts of urinating on the pitch in the "apology." There is not a naming of the players involved. If England had any sense they would have left those involved out of the ODI series about to start, and called that a punishment.... ... ... ?

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 13:48 GMT)

Stay classy, England!

Posted by Sarfin on (August 28, 2013, 13:38 GMT)

I expected some sort of punishments. It's really disgraceful. But I don't think they had any intention to dishonor the game or opponents. Michael Phelps admitted professional swimmers sometimes urinate in the pool but no one claims they disrespect their profession. This incident is disgusting and unimaginable, asking for punishment, but we shouldn't get carried away either.

Posted by OttawaRocks on (August 28, 2013, 13:37 GMT)

As a Canadian, this would be considered high treason and the players would be suspended; this is an automatic no brainer. If the offence was drinking / smoking on the pitch, a slap on the wrist would have been given but if they urinated, it would have been an automatic suspension. To give a concrete example, I recall recently that Justin Bieber went to photograph the Stanley Cup in the Chicago Blackhawks dressing. He did so while stepping over the Blackhawks logo. The outcry was immense.

Posted by wolf777 on (August 28, 2013, 13:32 GMT)

Disgusting….Punishment first and apology later….

Posted by Newlandsfaithful on (August 28, 2013, 13:30 GMT)

It's just rather dissappointing that a sport that was once regarded as a "gentleman's game" is becoming more and more crass and guttery each year as time goes by. Any sense of ascendancy England may have had after incidents like the Warner event and even the spot fixing debacle is now undone. Clearly their players are cut from the same cloth as those players who by their actions think nothing of bringing the game into disrepute. I cannot think of a single other sport code where players would dream of performing such a disrespectful act - not soccer, not rugby, not even wrestling. What about the ground staff and the teams who have to use this pitch next? How do they feel about it?

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 28, 2013, 13:21 GMT)

@512fm on (August 28, 2013, 11:11 GMT), does it really matter? The pitch wasn't going to be used any more so what's the difference? I would imagine that a used pitch gets watered the very next day to promote grass growth so, in actual fact, the pitch they had just played on was probably the best place to do it.

Posted by crktcrzy on (August 28, 2013, 13:15 GMT)

Urinating in public is a crime here in Canada, and I'm sure the same applies for England. Forget ICC & ECB, this ought to go to Police. And we all know what "neither confirmed nor rejected means"- they are confessing it. So it should go to the law and let them handle it. No one gets away with urinating publicly and then apologizing that "they didn't mean it"- When you pee, you mean to pee. Period.

Posted by gudolerhum on (August 28, 2013, 13:15 GMT)

This shows how divided we are as a people. Totally different views depending on background. Some say it is "unpardonable" - think of the significance of such a comment, no forgiveness possible. They got drunk, forgot their behavior and did something really stupid. Recognised that they should apologise and did so. End of story, hopefully.

Posted by wathu on (August 28, 2013, 12:44 GMT)

where are the gentlemen ? Punish them

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 12:38 GMT)

1. Seriousness of the issue seems to vary from culture to culture.

2. It is plain crude behaviour, unbecoming of the role models of cricket; whom the youth consider as icons, and even try to emulate.

3. Many Pak players, often kiss the pitch, to show their gratitude. I have seen similar gesture from players from many Asian countries; including Asians settled down in West Indies.

4. It is just a belated effort to appease millions (millions is NOT an exaggeration, if one takes the sub-continent alone) of cricket lovers in many parts of the world, who had taken umbrage to such an act. It is not an apology!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 28, 2013, 12:37 GMT)

@Siddhant Priya on (August 28, 2013, 10:51 GMT) & @ phaktaa_tikit on (August 28, 2013, 10:57 GMT), they obviously didn't intend to offend and didn't expect the story to take on such grand dimensions so didn't think there was anything to apologise for. If you intend to hurt someone and you hurt them, you don;t apologise. If you you hurt someone accidentally then you apologise. That's the case here. People are obviously offended but that was not the intention, hence apology. Quite obvious really.

Posted by msnsrinivas on (August 28, 2013, 11:57 GMT)

Everyone just needs to step back a bit and relax. No one's hurt, no offence meant and none should be taken.

Posted by AnanthX on (August 28, 2013, 11:40 GMT)

I hate it when people apologise saying "...if this has caused offence to anyone we apoplogise...". It's tantamount to putting the blame on the people being offended, as if it's their fault for getting offended.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 11:27 GMT)

If this is "TRUE" by the members of this ENGLAND cricket team, it is one of the most disgusting and disgraceful things that one could ever imagine . If found guilty, all match fees should be with held for that test match . The ICC should not tolerate such behavior.

Posted by applethief on (August 28, 2013, 11:13 GMT)

@shane-oh when there are still people pushing views as myopic as yours, there's no sense in believing it's even worth trying to prove the truth

Posted by 512fm on (August 28, 2013, 11:11 GMT)

Don't have a massive problem with this but did they really have to do it on the pitch? They could have just gone on the outfield..

Posted by brusselslion on (August 28, 2013, 11:08 GMT)

As is often the case, opinion seems to be divided along cultural lines. Most Asian posters seem to view this as a major incident, disrespectful and insulting whilst the majority of Brits & Aussies see it as crass, but fairly insignificant.

I guess that there is a serious lesson to be learnt. Make sure that you understand the cultural implications of any acts. Obviously, if this incident occurred in Asia, there would be major repercussions.

Posted by Pramod.kumar on (August 28, 2013, 11:07 GMT)

Game lovers should not forgive this act of English players, so as governing body of world cricket. Urinating on cricket pitch is ultimate insult of the game. I am agree with many that if same kind of thing would have been done by any Asian player, the prejudiced media would have made so much noise, even they would have demanded suspension of player. Why ICC, ECB and even CA are not looking at the gravity of the incidence?

Posted by phaktaa_tikit on (August 28, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

If they have not offended what was the need to apologise? I think they are trying to get away too easily... Hope ICC wakes up & stringent action is ensured against this unpardonable offense.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 10:51 GMT)

they apologize after a week! do they really mean it when they say sorry? May be they just got out of the hang-over...

Posted by dakshinap on (August 28, 2013, 10:48 GMT)

Those culprits should be punished & ban atleast six months.

Posted by shane-oh on (August 28, 2013, 10:48 GMT)

@ UAETigers , and others. Do you really believe this nonsense you spout about some kind of imaginary conspiracy against Asian nations in cricket reporting? If anything, the general tone of cricket reporting favours the Asian nations. I can assure you that I have never seen a single article suggesting that Asian players are 'beasts'. If you are going to accuse nations of such things, please provide evidence.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 10:44 GMT)

Not much of an incident, not much of an apology.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

Since when has taking a pee outdoors, late at night, whilst having a few beers been such a big deal? It's not, get over it.

Posted by manish1020 on (August 28, 2013, 10:39 GMT)

euphoria of winning such a prestigious series !! Beating Aussies is no longer a prestigious achievement.. Wake Up !! Other than Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, none considers beating Aussies as an achievement nowadays!!

Posted by maddy20 on (August 28, 2013, 10:36 GMT)

Carried away? Thats a massive understatement don't you think ECB? Urinating on a cricket pitch and no punishment from ICC? Didn't they just crucify Lehmann for something he said about someone? The fact that they tendered an apology means that the reports in the media, Aus or English are true.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 28, 2013, 10:27 GMT)

@Sandeep Verma on (August 28, 2013, 9:52 GMT), this is nothing like the incident involving Monty Panesar. He urinated in a public place on several people. In this case the players were in the dark in an area not accessible to the public and unaware that they were being observed. Ask yourself this: If David Warner had been in the middle of the field in the middle of the night and swung his fist at the ground, do you think anyone would have cared? Of course not. It's the fact that he was in a public place and that he swung his fist at a person - an opposition player no less - that got him into trouble. Rather different, wouldn't you say?

Posted by PPL11 on (August 28, 2013, 10:27 GMT)

Pathetic !! Shocked !! Sad !!

Posted by pravek666 on (August 28, 2013, 10:24 GMT)

A tribute to Panesar... i guess!!!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 28, 2013, 10:22 GMT)

@Jared Hansen on (August 28, 2013, 10:01 GMT), I think that's kinda the point. If it was players from another country then it could be construed as that team showing active contempt for England. I'm quite sure that it would have been if England players had done so in another country, which is exactly why they wouldn't do so. In this case they were at home so they felt that they could relax. They did it in the dark when they thought that noone was watching to be offended. I'll say again as I've said before, it was crass behaviour but that's about as far as it goes. If it was disrespectful then it was thoughtlessly so, not deliberately. There was no harm done to anyone, least of all the pitch, which had finished its work for the series.

Posted by Maiyaboy on (August 28, 2013, 10:22 GMT)

It is disturbing to hear this from so called gentlemen who play the gentlemen s game.They have set a very bad example for the young boys who follow them.Gentlemen,control your selves.

Posted by DeckChairand6pack on (August 28, 2013, 10:19 GMT)

Evidently they all had a few beers out in the middle and were caught short and it was very late at night. Not the end of the world and the most natural act. But can you imagine the furore if it had been any other team other than England?

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 10:18 GMT)

In this age of cameras, surely there would be a photo or two!

Posted by stc_ib on (August 28, 2013, 10:17 GMT)

this was behaviour after a few drinks ... warner had a few drinks and cricket australia took action ... one can be assured the ecb too will take action ...

Posted by UAETigers on (August 28, 2013, 10:14 GMT)

imagine the same kind of thing would have been done by an Asian player from Sl, BAN, PAK, IND. What would be the reaction of media and ICC? There would be news and articles on the humanity of asian players and they would have been immediately declared sick minded men and beasts! Where is ICC and press now?

Posted by Iqbal_Hasan on (August 28, 2013, 10:09 GMT)

@Sandeep. Monty urinated on a person... these guys urinated on some grass (unlikely to have been on a length).

I wonder if you can spot the difference?

Posted by EdStainsby on (August 28, 2013, 10:08 GMT)

Regardless of whether one considers that an apology was necessary or unnecessary, this has to be the most hollow sounding apology ever. Couldn't they have employed one of the spin doctors to come up with something a little more convincing?

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 10:06 GMT)

Pity they didn't do it before the game started - it could have done with a bit of moisture.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 10:05 GMT)

The worst thing I have ever heard, imagined and read in my entire life related to cricket. Urinating on the pitch is disrespect to the game and the community.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 10:05 GMT)

I find this story funny as it doesn't seem to have been reported elsewhere, it was reported by Australian journalists who were 90m+ away from the middle, it was after sunset, so - HOW THE HELL COULD THEY BE SURE OF ANYTHING.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 10:04 GMT)

does anyone have any evidence that they did this surely the groundsmen would know ? and they have said nothing ... maybe made up by the sore losing australian media...

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (August 28, 2013, 10:03 GMT)

Its funny how quick some people can be to take offence to anything regarding England.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 10:01 GMT)

What gets me about this story is how much bigger it would be if it was players from any other country at all doing so at The Oval. I cannot imagine the ECB or the English press going soft on any team that would do this to their pitches.

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (August 28, 2013, 9:59 GMT)

I suspect that this was nothing more than a carefully organised stunt designed to take the heat off Mony Panesar after his recent , erm , indiscretion . Seems to have largely worked , too ! It hardly covers us in glory , though...

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 9:59 GMT)

Panasar and now a number of unamed players ,what,s lacking is toilets ,

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 9:57 GMT)

Well at the very least they saved their 'selective watering' until the series was over.

Posted by milepost on (August 28, 2013, 9:56 GMT)

Ban them for 2 tests? I don't understand that sentiment. I'm an Aussie supporter and couldn't care less about this. Deserved winners of the Ashes, that's about all there is to say about this, they deserve their celebrations, winners are grinners. It might not be great as role models but it was a private celebration and peeing on an outfield is hardly grounds for the ICC to intervene, not that they could anyway. Besides, I think the ICC have more important problems to solve.....

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 9:52 GMT)

It is obvious that the english players will be let off the hook and there would not be any penalties.. ICC doesn't have the guts and all ECB can do is to punish a fringe player like Monty but have no stance against the biggies of the team....

Alas and they claim that no player is a superstar or given individual preference in their setup

Posted by anuradha_d on (August 28, 2013, 9:51 GMT)

There has been an apology issued by English players throuhg through ECB. ECB first reactions was to act like this did not happen....and now under pressure they issued an apology and are hoping that with this apology issue will die.

I also hope it will die........on the flip side by acknowldeging the crime ECB have opened themselves to be challanged and pressured...that the apology ain't sufficient....a real and serious punishment is required

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 9:50 GMT)

My guess is that it was actually a symbolic way of the England's players expressing displeasure with the ground staff for shaving off all the grass and making it a flat batting track that suited the Aussies. They were symbolically watering the turf just to indicate to the ground staff that they could have grown the grass more by watering it.

Posted by Front-Foot-Sponge on (August 28, 2013, 9:49 GMT)

C'mon guys, I don't think any disrespect was intended. They had a few beers and urinated on grass. I'm no England supporter but the Aussies lost 3-0 and this is what the fuss is now about? Back to cricket.

Posted by PakRage on (August 28, 2013, 9:47 GMT)

This is unheard of. These players should be banned for disrespecting the game. No player is bigger than the game. Horrendous.

Posted by JohnnyRook on (August 28, 2013, 9:44 GMT)

@arm_chair_Ed...Lol man. That was great....

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 9:44 GMT)

If players get fine for kicking advertising billboards, why not ICC fine them for urinating on the Pitch? ICC is indeed very soft on English players

Posted by Burrp on (August 28, 2013, 9:37 GMT)

It is shame on England players to do such kind of things with a historic pitch. I am sure, the Oval pitch will take its revenge on England players one day in the same way!

Posted by MelbourneMiracle on (August 28, 2013, 9:32 GMT)

If I urinate in my cubical at office even after office hours, I should be sacked from my office since it is disrespectful behavior at my work place. Same thing should be applied to the sportsmen too. There work place is the ground where they play on. Disgraceful act by the so-called gentlemen of the game. They should be fined atleast.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 9:12 GMT)

we can't even tolerate that thought on a cricket pitch,if they have done it ??all players needs to be suspended for at least 5years so that others will be care full..all boards have given them five star delux acco for what?????????????

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (August 28, 2013, 9:11 GMT)

It was just another version of the sprinkler.................

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 9:10 GMT)

The ICC needs to ban every player involved for two tests and the captain for 4. plus fine them their whole match fee. Disgrace.

Posted by arm_chair_Ed on (August 28, 2013, 9:08 GMT)

Merely sprinkler the dance celebration - 2013 version

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 8:53 GMT)

Yeah - amidst the Essendon AFL team getting fined for doping, their men and women losing Ashes series, their Rugger boys getting a stuffing by the All Blacks and their swimmers sinking at the World Championships, they need to find some kind of spin (which, after all, they don't have on the field) to make themselves look good.

Posted by shaantanu on (August 28, 2013, 8:51 GMT)

Congratulations to England on a well deserved series win.But sadly they dont know how to handle victory.......whatever they did ,if they did as reported, is simply arrogance,nothing else.issnt it akin to desecrating something you hold in high esteem ,like the Oval.

Posted by S.Jagernath on (August 28, 2013, 8:51 GMT)

Nonsense.An apology can never change the disrespect that was shown to the cricket ground.You have to wonder how much these players really do care for cricket.Maybe its time they get involved in football & leave the gentleman's game to the gentleman.

Posted by   on (August 28, 2013, 8:50 GMT)

This sort of behavior will never take them to win a world cup.They have to be punished for this,but ICC, as we all know, will never do,which is quite obvious to everybody.

Posted by premclement on (August 28, 2013, 8:47 GMT)

I am sure if players from Asian countries celebrated in this manner, ICC would have criticised those players. Even it would have banned them. Since these were England players, ICC is going too soft on them. Bias, eh ?

Posted by disco_bob on (August 28, 2013, 8:43 GMT)

All they are doing is showing some solidarity with Monty P. so they can bring him back into the fold after witnessing the public disintegration of Kerrigan. But let's get real this was not that much of a 'prestigious series', apart from the occasional standout performance the overall series was a bit ho hum. Let's not beat this up too much. As for the return series... I think I feel a Fredalo coming on.

Posted by Front-Foot-Sponge on (August 28, 2013, 8:26 GMT)

It's no big deal really is it? If they did it on purpose than that's a bit grim, if they were just going to the loo, who cares. It's not really appropriate but it's not really news anymore, they apologised, end of story.

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