West Indies v India, Group F, Bridgetown

IPL comparison unfair - Dhoni

Andrew McGlashan in Bridgetown

May 9, 2010

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Gautam Gambhir's troubles against the short ball continued, West Indies v India, World T20, Group F, Bridgetown, May 9, 2010
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India won't be sad to wave goodbye to Barbados after an uncomfortable time against pace bowling. MS Dhoni was running out of reasons to explain his team's problems as their World Twenty20 hopes were left hanging by a thread, but Chris Gayle suggested it was a mental issue for the batsmen.

India now need a victory against Sri Lanka to retain any hope and even that might not be enough. As ever the scrutiny on the Indian team is huge and the problems of the top order are being dissected, especially as only a few weeks ago many of these batsmen were plundering runs at the IPL.

Suresh Raina brought his form to this tournament and began with 101 off 60 balls against South Africa, but that was on a much slower surface in St Lucia. Unlike at the IPL there has been no let-up in the quality of bowling in Barbados, and India haven't been able to cope against Australia or West Indies.

"The IPL is a very different from international cricket. You have four foreigners and don't have always the best bowling attack, you have to keep your side balanced," Dhoni said. "Most of the sides have maybe one bowler who bowls really good, really quick, but apart from that you try to target the weak links.

"But in international cricket most of the sides have got at least three bowlers, you can maybe target one or at the most two [bowlers]. I think the IPL is very different, it would be unfair to compare the IPL to international cricket. We are on the losing side and that's the fact right now."

India's frustrations threatened to boil over when Rohit Sharma questioned the caught decision against him and signalled for the umpire to check the TV replay. Billy Bowden stuck with his on-field call - the third official can only be used to determine a clean catch - and Sharma could be in hot water. Raina had earlier given a petulant display when he had an lbw appeal turned down which replays showed was easily missing leg stump.

Gayle was always confident his team would be able to exploit the Bridgetown surface in their favour, even though it wasn't the quickest pitch of the tournament. "They [India] are always going to be vulnerable against the short ball, every team has done it against them and it's something they have to look at and try to prepare better," he said.

"They know that every team would bowl short at them so they just need to work on their mental game and back themselves. They are capable of handling it but maybe it is just a mental thing so if they can overcome that I'm sure they'll be even more dangerous."

Gautam Gambhir, who was recently the No. 1 batsman in the world, was bounced out for the second game in succession when he received a brute from Kemar Roach and all West Indies' seamers - even the medium-pacers Darren Sammy and Dwayne Bravo - banged the ball in the short. India knew they would face such a barrage, but, despite the forewarning, were still troubled.

"It's not something that has appeared all of a sudden. You are equipped to deal with it in this format as they bowl consistently short stuff at you but you have to keep scoring," Dhoni said. "It's not easy but as the players get more experience at international level they will groom themselves and be ready for the task. Quite a few players, I don't think, have played this kind of bowling on this kind of track, we were slightly on the back foot but it's only good for Indian cricket."

That last comment from Dhoni suggests that conditions back home in India are not preparing batsmen for the challenges of playing overseas. It was a hurdle that seemed to have been crossed during the last decade as performances away from home improved markedly, but a batting line-up without the experienced figures of Sachin Tendulkar, Virender Sehwag and Rahul Dravid is struggling to adapt.

"We have prepared well," Dhoni insisted. "We knew they would use short-pitched deliveries, we practiced against short-pitched deliveries in the net sessions but until you don't face it in a game you are not match-aware of what is needed in that situation. You can do hundreds of things but when it comes to adaptation you have to be out in the middle and work it out, get a single, keep alternating the strike. If you keep backing off and keep playing the pull shot and people get out, it gets very difficult."

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Posted by Raja22222 on (May 15, 2010, 16:34 GMT)

Stop lobbying for waste fellows like Robin uthappa. Check his average both in domestic and International level at cricinfo.com.He is not even successful once in 7 matches. Check the way he got dismissed by the International bowlers. He is an absolute waste and could not utilized his opportunities. How many of the karnatka guys cry for uthappa if he is not from Karnataka. Go by class , Technic, potential and learning attributes. Take it as granted Robin Uthappa is not gonna shine at any international level for India. What we need is technically strong cricketers who can also play big shots and score faster like Tendulkar and Shewagh .I believe M.Vijay is a bright prospect on this. Only thing is he needs international exposure by playing county games or going for a special camp to NCA as suggested by Gavaskar. Dont discourage young talents they can do wonders if coached well.Can you deny that M.Vijay lacks technique and class. Why are u blaming selectors?

Posted by VAS4 on (May 15, 2010, 8:18 GMT)

Dhoni is now searching over the internet for "best excuses" for his horrible performance in the world cup. You need to go buddy. that is going to give you a taste of pain and frustration we cricket lovers of this country are going through at the moment. Dhoni is the leader and he needs to inspire his players. Leaders attittude is infectional. If the leader is laid back, all are laid back. Dhoni did not inspire his players. Dhoni did not want it. I also equally blame the selectors for choosing a bunch of fat out of form players to play an important tournament like world cup. Listen to his interview after the second match. He and his team did not deserve success. when india won the matches in the past, all the credit went to dhoni, and now he got to take the blame too for the failures. dhoni will try hard to win if you pay him money like chennai do. Look at the way he played for chennai. He should be totally removed from the team and let him play for money only.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 9:46 GMT)

Why India Faired Miserably in World T-20,2010..

When India won the 2007 world cup, teh team had a fire in their bellies, wanting to prove a world a thing or two, they had the desire and passion, The same team after 1 year got overconfident and lacked discipline.

here are the major factors contributing to India Poor Performance.

1) how many 20-20 matches did india play after the 2009 world cup, so that we could understand our T-20 team combination.I Guess not more than 2-3 matches, whereas Pakistan, Australia & England played more. 2) Srikannth selected the team wrongly, he expected barbados to have slow turning pitches, ( wonder if the richest board sent some expert there to chk the pitches) when they knew very well that India would be playing their 2/3 super six matches in Barbados which will alone decide the fate of the indian team.for us to perorm there we neded to have 3-4 fast bowlers of calibre.( Umesh Yadav @ 145 kmph should have been there,or may be RP SINGH)

Posted by Raghav369 on (May 13, 2010, 12:17 GMT)

Its understandable that Rohit was punished for showing dissent at the umpire's decision but it is suprising that no one mentioned that the umpire called it wrong. The ball came off Rohit's left forearm. Most batsmen would not want to walk away if they know they are not out. That was a crucial call.as he was the only in-form batsman based on the previous match. To me that umpire call was the turning point of the match.But all this can happen in cricket. The only thing that can be done for the future is for the umpire to have the right to call the third umpire to confirm any doubts he has.we have several times in the past how one decision can change the course of the match.

Posted by Raja22222 on (May 13, 2010, 8:26 GMT)

Well,interesting to see so much of comments for a game which not globally accepted or even by Olympics.We call ourself as the world champion by beating 12 opponents through a round robin league.When we fail we are taking the avatar of critic,selector and also as couch.Pl understand selectors consider people for the Indian team based on the performance of domestic games in the flat,slow pitches.IPl has given little more opportunity for domestic players to face at least 4 foreign players.Nothing wrong in considering IPL performance for selection as people are playing for money and to satisfy the franchisee owner they are really playing with maximum efforts. By seeing all the domestic performance including IPL+potential+Technic+form and they can take people and coach them for the next level at the International settings.They will get fast pitches only if they given a overseas trip.u cant expect miracles & give them time they wil shine.Dravid,Ganguly,Gambir even Tendulkar too time 2 settle

Posted by khan_77 on (May 11, 2010, 15:35 GMT)

well really it has been a horrible performance by the indian team . especially the top order was pathetic .hope now india beats sl by 20 odd runs and aussies beat the home team.that is only possible if dhoni wins the toss and ELECTS TO BAT and doesnt repeat the mistake done in the last 2 matches . hope INDIA QUALIFY FOR SEMIS

Posted by   on (May 11, 2010, 13:53 GMT)

I guess this is where India misses Sehwag (both in last T20 WC and this). With him bowlers have to think a lot before playing silly mind games and even if they think a lot he can screw everything if he is in the marauding mood. India lacks such a brutal batter.

Posted by Krishna_Sydney on (May 11, 2010, 8:48 GMT)

If my assumptions are right, NOW, India WILL get to the semis, disproving the current odds! In all the IPLs also so far the results have been unpredictable ( at that stage of tournament /match)

Posted by ArunVaidyanathan on (May 11, 2010, 3:03 GMT)

It will be very difficult under pressure to beat SL by that margin. It would take some serious character and a tinge of luck as well. Last year, we could not win a game in the Super 8s stage. We'll have to just wait and see with no serious expectations from a team that is clearly under pressure. We've heard the story of the Phoenix. And, it would be truly inspiring if our guys emualte that character. India today needs more of such inspirational stories. I remember the 2002 Natwest Trophy victory. It was a fairy tale run we had once tottering at 146/5 chasing 326 with young Yuvraj and Kaif at the crease. We eventually went on to win the game. That night will remain etched forever in our memories. We need a repeat of it here. No expectations whatsoever, I don't want to put myself under pressure. Good luck Team India.

Posted by ahmed1001 on (May 10, 2010, 23:32 GMT)

To all you Indian fans just face it Indian players are no good against any sort of pace bowlers, i mean they couldnt even handle Sammy lol. Away from home India are hopeless as they can only play spin yawn India are going home bye bye.

Posted by East_West on (May 10, 2010, 22:03 GMT)

Bang_La: since you folks always have problems with water issues, we will give it to you on charity, as such your country lives on charity! go clean your mess and educate yourself first, and then come here and rant! guess, you folks don't have a voice in nation and can't develop a decent cricket website, so come here and vent frustrations! keep up the good work!

Posted by venu.andy on (May 10, 2010, 21:12 GMT)

Some wrote what's Dhoni's mistake when batsmen did not do their job....are u kidding me, he is the damn captain and if we can feel so much pain why can't he and what's with this Jadeja, r they both gay couple. We perform better batting first and bowl to the score, tell a-hole to pick batting next time he wins the toss. Some one flick their balls and wake their patriotism. What's the use of IPL if they can not win on world stage? Dhoni was the one who wanted young player he should be kicked out as captain, we do not need cool captain, we need captain who can give rage to play for India & not for money. Team India is getting worse with too much money and parties in their hands. No guts, no feelings, no shame and definitely no team spirit. Very sad that this team had billion supporters. Real shame !!!

Posted by Jaimeek on (May 10, 2010, 21:02 GMT)

"Your franchise pays so much money for you, you should at least make the semi-finals. After that you can say it is a lottery." MS Dhoni, explains his charged-up reaction, and the unpredictability of the knock-out phase, after taking Chennai Super Kings into the IPL semi-finals Apr 19, 2010

This was dhoni's statement. What about country's pride now.

Posted by Bang_La on (May 10, 2010, 20:00 GMT)

India fans, now stop crying! We will need a boat to move in this board if you cry any longer :)

Posted by seventhumpire on (May 10, 2010, 19:46 GMT)

I think it is time we stopped talking abt great players of the past like Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman, etc. They all have come and earned their names as great players. They have served/serving India pretty well. Now it is time to change the baton. The new crop of players must come and perform. I think Sachin took the right decision in not playing the T20 WC because we would end up relying all the time on him to take the team forward. When will the youngsters perform?. We all have to be grateful that still these great players of the past are available in the other two formats of the game. Otherwise imagine the state of Indian Cricket. It is sad that as of now there are no replacements for Sachin, Dravid, Laxman. We also have to be grateful that BCCI is not Cricket Australia (CA) in terms of making great players retire.

Posted by seventhumpire on (May 10, 2010, 19:33 GMT)

I have been reading quite a number of comments posted here. Many of the suggestions seems to be fine but I think attacking the current lot of cricketers who are participating in this event individually is unfair. There is no guarantee that the other players who have been left out of this team such as Uthappa, Kohli, Pandey,etc., are going to handle short pitch delivery better. The problem is all these players are judged based on IPL performance instead of their performance in foreign tours. Performance in the foreign tours should be the criterion for selection. I think BCCI should choose a set of players who they think are going to be their team for the future and send them on foreign tours and based on how well they perform there so will be their selection into the teams for such mega events. I feel this current chopping and changing of team is not doing any good.

Posted by kaynyk on (May 10, 2010, 19:15 GMT)

Selection of Ravindra Jadeja ahead of quality pacer like Vinay Kumar in the team baffles me. This guy was culprit in last world T20 cup and he has done it again this time.

Normally Dhoni makes smart decisions as was seen in IPL final but this one is dubious one. And unfortunately he has not learned from the mistake and he persisted with Jadeja against West Indies even after the mauling Jadeja received at hands of the Aussies.

India lost to Aussies by 34 runs or so, and Jadeja gave away 38 runs in 2 overs. Harbhajan gave away 15 runs in 4 overs.

India again lost to West Indies by 14 runs, and Jadeja gave away 27 runs in 2 overs. Harbhajan gave away 16 runs in 4 overs.

A team that does not have confidence to win matches with 6 quality batsmen and has to bring 2 all rounders to score runs, does not deserve to be in Semi Finals.

Posted by ILoveTestCricket on (May 10, 2010, 16:45 GMT)

I think India lost it when they chose to chase on both occasions (against Aussies and Windies).It was defensive ploy to play with 8 batsmen and then choose to chase the score. You got to be aggressive with that kind of batting line up at your disposal and try to put up a massive score on board like we did against SA. It was poor tactic and boomranged. All wise men in cricket suggest to bat first in any form of cricket, in any conditions if you win the toss.What was need to change tactics when you had tasted the success against SA. Poor judgement on part of captain and coach. It is a fact that scores of as low as 133 are being defended with batting first tactic. Who knows our limited bowling would have easily defended 160-170s. India wasted great opportunity.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 16:23 GMT)

Here is a big question ...if Sanath(41) still want to play for national team, then why not Sachin(38)? he can play IPL for money but,,,,,,,? alas !

Posted by Nampally on (May 10, 2010, 16:17 GMT)

Although Dhoni says that ICC T-20 cannot be compared to IPL, the present Indian squad was presumably selected based on IPL performances. However some prominent performers such as Tendulkar, Kumble, Dravid and Kohli were excluded, the first 3 may be due to seniority. Kohli's exclusion was strage. But Dhoni did not comment on lack of bowling in the Indian team. Fast bowlers are attrocious - hopefully Yadav will fill one place. One off spinners who played for Bangalore was outstanding but was not selected. He was the most economical bowler and would have made the difference to the current Indian team. Even Kumble would have bowled bettter than our current spinners. Jadeja & Raina leaked 50 runs, of 168 scored by WI, in just 4 overs. If we allow an average of 7 runs/over, they have leaked 22 more runs - India lost by 14 runs. This alone explains the reason for defeat not to talk about Gayle's skier being missed which accounted for another 50 runs. A winnable game turned to defeat!.

Posted by sonushar on (May 10, 2010, 16:08 GMT)

1. What about murali vijay-- Absolute test player. He over reacts and shows over confidence than what he can do. 2. Dinesh karthik is far better compared to him, atleast he stays calm on field. 3. Yusuf pathan - What ever happens, even when fire is required, he only gives out water. 4. I want to put forward my emotions here, what the hell, why do you take an extra batsmen and go for chasing an improbable target. Shows dhoni is out of his mind with a pinch of overconfidence. 5. I didnt see a team in yesterdays match, well saw that individual is greater that the team. 6. In my opinion Rayudu, Rohit Sharma, Raina, Ishant, vinay kumar are a must in this team who are more commited here.

Finally, I took this pretty sportively as i am not any kind of expert or a master like sachin. Didnt intend to blame any body here..!

Posted by VPSrivastava on (May 10, 2010, 15:24 GMT)

I'm unable to understand why we only remember our weakness when we are either thoroughly defeated on bouncy tracks or knocked out from any major tournament. Always ho ha and a lot of promise after defeat and then again business as usual. How many times we the lover of cricket will be made the fool? 1. When we are unable to cope up with short pitched ball that whole world exploits, what the BCCI big bosses are doing? Are they not responsible? or Only money remains their top priority? 2. If Vinakumar can not be selected in final eleven owing to his inexperience then why he has been sent in first place and also how other inexperience M Vijay is continuously playing? 3. Accepted if form in IPL is criteria for selection to this world cup then why out of form Yuvaraj Singh is selected and why in form bowlers such as Ojha and Mishra are overlooked. 4. If you want to sent an aggressive batsman as replacement for Sehwag then why did not you selected Uthappa a more aggressive/experience batsman

Posted by ennarvi on (May 10, 2010, 15:22 GMT)

Come on MS....wat r u saying? Selectors and u guys have selected this so called "best" team based on the form showed by ur bucketed players and u r saying comparing is unfair???? God...can't believe!!!! The people who have done so well in IPL and recent domestic season have not got any chances, forget about this T20, not even for the Tri-series...wat is jadeja doing in the tri-series team?? what has he done in this world cup apart from getting hammered 10 sixes in 4 overs?? Is jadeja such a good bowler or a decent hitter?? I seriously doubt...he can't do either, bt still u played him....such a shame...I think MS is seriously overconfident and this will bring down that...shame

Posted by Arrow011 on (May 10, 2010, 15:18 GMT)

Is Yuvraj after another girl? Yuvraj has become a spoilt fellow, he himself does not know what he is good for, he has senior cricketers in his pocket so he keeps coming despite forgettable performances. Flash in the pan performance merits his selection. He should be ashamed of himself, despite so much seniority, he is the biggest dead wood in the team.

Is Indian cricket running a friendship racket? Dhoni is a friend of Harbhajan (business partner), Yuvraj , Raina to name a few & all seem to be certainties in the team especially with Srikant being another Chennai Super Kings man. Yuvraj is addressed as a quality player all the time by Dhoni, these friendships are ruining Indian team. Harbhajan contains well but wicket taking is beyond him. Raina has found form, so he should be spared, poor guy he top scored twice already.

Dhoni pls severe friendships for better team or ask them2 perform. Yuvraj is the culprit, he keeps chasing girls 2b in the Indian team.Sachin dont support Yuvi

Posted by henchart on (May 10, 2010, 15:14 GMT)

Trip from the same stone twice,you deserve to break your shin.India did just that by opting to bowl ,yet again .

Posted by dravidsthebest on (May 10, 2010, 15:06 GMT)

yuvi needs to maintain his fitness by losing weight.jadeja and yusuf do not deserve 2 play international cricket.raina is irresponsible.openers out of form.what can dhoni alone do,i really pity him.he has no support from his team

Posted by Arrow011 on (May 10, 2010, 15:03 GMT)

Other than Sachin Tendulkar, all these players are making the numbers. In India we seem to have collected many dead woods who accumulate runs in a heap here in Sub-continent & come bone dry from abroad without any substantial scores. Dhoni who keeps finding reasons has committed 2 blunders by winning the toss & losing in a margin.

Come back India, you are good only in advertising or IPL where there is lots of money. It is time World 20-20 is not followed immediately after IPL. Indian cricketers who enjoy in after party IPL night parties are missing all the attention & false heroism they used to enjoy. IPL after parties should be banned as it never influences any good, only young cricketers would turn to drunkards due free Kingfisher alcohols.

Shame on youngsters, despite so much of irresponsibility the selectors have opted to drop even the so-called experienced cricketers for even fresh cricketers for Zimbabwe tour. Srikanth should get the stick too. Dhoni get up & come back.Tks

Posted by srini_jana on (May 10, 2010, 14:57 GMT)

It's been a while since we have been giving more importance to Dhoni, when he is not performing up to the mark. Was keeping Jadeja for the next match after his dismal performance against Aus is to show the supporters of India that he has not made a mistake by selecting him for the first match? If he is not able to bowl his full quota of four overs, drop catches and come behind the batting order of Harbhajan, then why the hell is he in the team?

What does a Captain or the think tank do in a pressure match, get some score on the board and make opposition chase. Chasing has always not been our strength. Dhoni is getting more aggressive with the attitude, i pity him....Lets see where will Team India go under the captaincy of Dhoni, when Sachin, Dravid and laxman retire from test Matches.

Posted by AsherCA on (May 10, 2010, 14:56 GMT)

Those who do not learn from History will suffer because History will repeat itself. Ganguly trusted Zaheer & Nehra, opted to bowl first in a WC game, Zaheer & Nehra bowled India out of the match. Dhoni has gone & done the same thing - what's worse, twice in 3 days & Zaheer & Nehra have made India pay for that. If he even thought Zaheer & Nehra who regularly bowl India out of Intl limited overs matches would bowl India to a win Dhoni is insane and should be stripped of captaincy, no further discussions.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 14:38 GMT)

Hi !!!

Overall a very poor performance by the Indians to say the least. They way the players handled the short ball was the key in this tournament. Sehwags absence was badly felt as Indians did not get off to a good start, let alone a flyer. Dhoni's overconfidence on Ravindra Jadeja cost us the tournament. Barring Bhajji, none of them bowled well. I thought Piyush Chawla would have been a better option in the WI match. To talk of the batting, none of them wanted to hold up at one end. This clearly showed the lack of responsibility of each player.I just could not understand what exactly Dhoni meant when he said this is not comparable with IPL. I do agree that the prize money of this world cup may not be as much as that in the IPL (if that was his intention), but they have to realise that this is an International match where they represent the country and India matters more than the Franchisees.

Posted by Villager on (May 10, 2010, 14:33 GMT)

Well Kris Srikanth is no different than his predecessors. Every one in the past and now have selected players from thier respective state. But the good news is not six players from Chennai like the ones in the past where half the team will be Mumbai or Bangalore. The selection of Jadeja and Yuvi is a gamble. Players like Rayadu, Sourabh Tiwary and Manish Pandey should have made it to the team. Then there is Uthappa, not sure what else he can do to prove the selection panel.

Posted by JayAroma on (May 10, 2010, 14:24 GMT)

I really believe that missing players like RV Uthappa & Pandey is widely missed as a 20/20 specialist. Players like Gautam, Jadeja, Nehra should never been allowed to play for World Cup. I wished indian win last match with big figures.

Posted by TheBackStraight on (May 10, 2010, 14:23 GMT)

And all along it has been driven into our heads that IPL is good for the game ... Our youngsters will benefit from playing with seniors from other countries ... where has all that gone ... Even the captain of our team does not believe in IPL. It is after all a money spinning 'tamasha' ; period.

Posted by VettiPayyan on (May 10, 2010, 14:18 GMT)

Now coming to IPL, all Ind players looked so committed, even if they were not playing in the game. So passionate and aggressive against their fellow teammates except CSK(the only team who looked cool and normal).

Abt Sachin, u can say he opted out due to injury and took IPL seriously as he wanted to prove the world that he is good captian. Even if he wasnt injured, i dont think he wud have played WC.. Same reason like Ponting.. Both are from older generation who rightly feel that Winning Test matches and ODI WC is more dearer than T20 as it is lottery.

But Zaheer, Yuvi, Rohit, Vijay, nehra all showed so much agresion in IPL , especially Zak bowling yorkers, bouncers etc.. But fell flat for country. Also Ind did not and will never learn to play short ball. And I do not agree they need to travel to Aus for this. In Blore, we lost to Aus due to bounce, RCB exploited Ind players with short balls. Bcci shud shud plan a condition camp in Blore before WC.

Elementary Watson. Ind going down

Posted by bbumbum on (May 10, 2010, 14:14 GMT)

Yes, India suck against fast bowlers, the tracks in India do not prepare their batsmen well for overseas tournaments but they still could have won the last game if they had the RIGHT team. Someone please explain how Jadeja is in the indian T20 team!!. He comes in after Harbajan to bat, he cant get a single boundary when needed. He is one of the lousiest bowler for this format (If you let 6 sixes go one after the other, either you dont have skills or mental makeup to play in the worldcup T20 period). If he cant bowl and cant contribute with his bat, How the hell is he in the team?. His profile says Allrounder!!? Come on, not at this level buddy !!. Instead, if they had some specialized spinner like Ashwin, they possibly could have restricted the target by 20 runs and probably could have won a few games even with their dancing tactics in front of fast bowlers.

Posted by HarishVS on (May 10, 2010, 14:06 GMT)

I think nothing more is left to be said, and our friends in this forumhave already expressed themselves very correctly. Murali Vijay who is very new playing overseas and he cant be expected to start scoring right away. Better play him in T20 after he is done with some 15 test matches in WI, England, SA and Aussie grounds. Robin Uttappa is badly missed. Gambhir at No.2 in this situation, you know India are already a lost side with this opening. Raina at No.3 is never a good option in fast and bouncy pitches right now and he may mature after a couple of years! Yuvraj is out of form and Yusuf Pathan can bat in a T20 match in WI if only Kris Srikkanth and Dhoni can bowl at him! Without Sehwag India is just half a team and u dont have Sachin, Dravid, VVS, Saurav and Kumble here who gave the No.1 tag to India in tests. Dhoni has let down India very badly by his team selection and his election of fielding first and should be sacked from captaincy from ODIs and T20s.

Posted by joseyesu on (May 10, 2010, 14:02 GMT)

Total Disappointment from Yuvraj,Gambir and Zaheer. The team is totally outplayed by genuine pace attack.Give the ball to new players atleast they cannot be predictable for 1 over. Anyway players like Zak are giving over 40 and also not taking crucial wickets. It is worst to blame jadeja whose performance in the last 1 year as a bowler was more than good. Give chance to players like vinay,dinda,tyagi,ojha,ashwin.

Posted by Adityahms on (May 10, 2010, 13:58 GMT)

No one cares about the public that watch and have the passion for the game. I am not sure if BCCI takes this seriously, but this is high time that our captain is accounted for the loss and performance.I agree its a team game, but looking at the body language yesterday it looked like we were playing to loose. In a do or die match, we played at the hands of the opponents, no matter what, we always were good if we bat first.We cannot think of chasing a big score with SEHWAG, in this format.What was Dhoni tryin to prove by selectin Jadeja, that is better and can perform after a mauling that he got 1 day before?It was eveident that he was not in the best of form and should have been given a rest.We are repeatin the same mistakes & keep running away from the root.It was a total waste of time.One question:When CSK won@Dharamsala,Dhoni said:"Your franchise pays so much money for you, you should at least make the semi-finals?"

Posted by gerardpereira20 on (May 10, 2010, 13:43 GMT)

To make a mistake once is understandable to make the same mistake twice is inesxcusable.What were Dhoni and the team mamagement thinking about. They had just seen the Aussies take Jadeja to the cleaners . Persisting with the player was lunacy bearing in in mind that the guy cant bowl or bat. Maybe Dhoni underestimated the WI which would have been foolish because in Gayle, Pollard, Bravo, Fletcher etc the have batsmen just as destructive as the Australians and in Taylor , Roach, ans Sami bowlers just as quick as the Aussies. Same pitch, same team,same tactics, deja vu. The real problem however goes back to selection Gambir and Vijay are not suitable for the T20 format, Raina has technical flaws against the Short ball, Pathan and Jadeja are not up to international standard, Zaheer and Nehra are cannon fodder on fast bouncy tracks. The selectors should have been looking to Ishant and Sreeshant who are quicker as bowling alernatives maybe even bringing Kumble out for one last hurray.

Posted by Crckt-Xprt on (May 10, 2010, 13:41 GMT)

Mantra for the next match : Keep Zaheer, Yuvraj & Harbhajan far far away from the ground. Any replacement will do better than them....even club players from near the ground who may be willing to volunteer.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 13:39 GMT)

hahahahahaha... elder indian fans not worry about latest indian team loses.. Dhoni should learn more from gunguly & tendulkar... players should play for india not for money,,, bye all... enjoy watch cricket for other team..

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 13:39 GMT)

hahahahahaha... elder indian fans not worry about latest indian team loses.. Dhoni should learn more from gunguly & tendulkar... players should play for india not for money,,, bye all... enjoy watch cricket for other team..

Posted by khansa06 on (May 10, 2010, 13:29 GMT)

Everyone keeps questioning why Dhoni elected to bat second in bothe the mathches that we lost.

If we think theIndian batting was bad in both matches against fast short pitched stuff, imagine abysmal it would have been if we had batted first, with 9:30 a.m. start for both matches.

Well... Dhoni obviuosly had that in my when he elected to bat second and hoped and prayed for the best....it still did not work though.

Posted by Bang_La on (May 10, 2010, 13:22 GMT)

This is what real India team is! Roaring tiger in slow home pitches and a field mouse in the fast and bouncy pitches away from home (Mommy, where are you?). Things have not changed at all since Sunil Gavaskar story of "why me?". I admit only change we notice is the haughtiness and believing themselves as heroes as they are blown in the billboards. :)

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 13:11 GMT)

Dhoni made soem errors, by not playing chawla or umesh yadav instaed of jadeja. aneways bygones are bygoes and ThE LUCKY DHONY CAN DO MIRCALE if

how to beat srilanka by 22 odd runs

1) zaheer is injured, replace him with umesh yadav 2) replace jadeja with piyush chawla. 3) use yuvraj and raina to break partnerships ( 2 seamers + 3 spinners + 2part timers) 4) if bat first score 180 +, then win by 22 runs ( use yusuf pathan to open the innings or one down), gambir spays spin well , use him in middle. or they can stick too as srilanka doesnt have fast blowler sexcept malinga. 5) if bowl fisrt restrict them to 145 ad chase in 17 overs..

come on india u can still do it defeating sril lanka by 25 runs is no big deal..

come on India come on Dhoni...

dhoni r u reading this... ??

Posted by papadumb on (May 10, 2010, 13:10 GMT)

It was a fundamental mistake to opt for ravindra jadeja in the first place specially after the treatment he got in the match against the aussies. But that has been the trend for many a years, the captains favourite gets as many chances to fail as he wants. Not only did he drop a relatively straight forward catch but also bowled badly. To top it all he never looked like trying to lift the ball even though sixers were the only way India would have achived the winning runs with the last 3 balls remaining. It makes us Indian fans sick in the pit of our stomachs everytime the team flaters to decieve. Surely with all the money comming from us fans the indian team needs to perform better and may I add a bit more humility. For a bunch of overpaid failure, they sure know how to strut arrogantly on the field like a bunch of peacocks

Posted by bandip75 on (May 10, 2010, 13:06 GMT)

Bad team selection is all I can say, its high time we realise to play around the world we need to have players with good technique. The short pitched stuff has always tested the Indians...and barring a few exceptions every batsman from India have sturggled. We need better, sporting pitches in the the country. BCCI should invest some of its gazillions for the development of the game and not to have the cash registers ringing. T20 is all about nerves and its obvious even the best falter, there was no reason to get in Jadeja into the side. He has been give ample chances in T20's and ODI's without any success. He cannot bowl for sure, drops catches and does not score...we badly missed a seamer and I would even go the extent of saying even Irfan Pathan would not be a bad choice to replace Jadeja.

Posted by Nampally on (May 10, 2010, 13:00 GMT)

India's performance in the ICC T-20 was shambolic. Firstly the squad selected was poor - missing star batsmen like Tendulkar, Kohli & utappa and bowlers who can bowl economically. Secondly even with the selected squad, Dhoni's final 11 was a poor choice at best. Selecting Jadeja & Pathan after their poor show against Aussies was crazy. Karthick & Vinay Kumar were obvious choices on a fast wicket. As it happened India lost because of Jadeja's 2 overs. Kumar would have given far fewer runs in those 2 overs.Had Gayle been caught off a skier by Pathan when around 50 India still had a chance. Why does Yusuf Pathan make it despite his lack of match temperment & consistent failures? Dhoni's Captaincy is falling below high standards he started with. If India sends a team abroad, it should be the best with every player deserving his place. It is totally unacceptable to drop V.Kumar from 11 simply because Dhoni does not think he is good enough - why is he in the squad - Just for a joy ride?

Posted by vibh_ch on (May 10, 2010, 12:58 GMT)

Its showing off isnt it,MS's thinking.It reflects his character and background in the kind of players he backs,Jadeja,Yusuf,Praveen.I b'lieve we were fooled all this time into believing that he was a great captain.But he really was gambling,which worked on more occassions.He does not really have the knowledge to groom a team c'se he gives no time for the game while not playing,is rather busy with cars,pstations,girls,ads.Though,he still is a good player to adapt to situations,I'll not debate it.To really be a top notch player,you need to breathe the game like RD,SRT,AK,VVS,SG,SMG and other greats.Tell me whether he really cares to follow the Ranji,if not watch,at least update himself with progress of players,young talent coming.Had it not been for the greats,you wd've had to endure him testing some of his cronies in tests.Raina goes for shots without a second thought,so he has been promised a test spot.Dont project these nTH grade idiots as your superstars,show passion&sense,fellas.

Posted by Saudar82 on (May 10, 2010, 12:53 GMT)

The Indians are spending a lot of money and time supporting the team.. should atleast reach the semis ??? Had a similar sort of comment when chennai qualified for IPL semis... what say dhoni??

Posted by ibrahim_y on (May 10, 2010, 12:53 GMT)

In this match it was a similar situation like the last league match for Chennai in IPL where in Dhoni won the game for chennai from no where and qualified for semis. In post match session, dhoni emotionally told that the franchaisee put so much money on team and it becomes his responsibility to take the team (Chennai) to the semis. Isnt it Dhoni's prime responsibility to take the indian team to semis?? IPL and money is important to Dhoni than indian team and its pride in world cricket.

He is a real disgrace to the country. He don't deserve to be playing for indian team. He is really spoiling the image of indian cricket. Its high time the selectors and the nation understand this point before its too late.

Posted by johnca on (May 10, 2010, 12:51 GMT)

I dont understand how BCCI allowed WI to prepare a bouncy wicket. India could have easily beaten WI if we prepared the pitch similar to the ones in IPL. I am sure BCCI being an economic financial powerhouse in cricker could have easily prepared a spinner friendly track and blown the WI out of the tournament. Now India's loss is ICC's losss and there is no more interst in watching cricket. I am sure this is going to hurt ICC's cricket revenue. Indian team is difinately far superior to WI team, I think WI used bouncy wicket to beat India

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 12:49 GMT)

It is unfair to blame Mahendra Singh Dhoni, the finest captain of India. There is a hallmark in Dhoni's performance and he performs when required. In this match he was one of the performers. Unfortunately, he has been handed a team full of non performers. Murali Vijay played as if test match was on even when asking rate was known. Yuvraj, Yusuf, Gautam failed to play single stroke that lives to their reputation. While overall Indian bowling has always been weak and air conditioned team selectors/ politicians think and decide team structure, there is not much Dhoni can do. Zaheer Khan failed to impress for even one over while Harbhajan Singh could not take much wickets. Ravindra Jadeja, the all rounder played as if he had some incentive for all round flop show in Batting, Bowling and Fielding. Fan of cricket who are upset should know that with weak bowling a team can win once in blue moon and India's victory in world cup are only two with one from team led by Dhoni

Posted by PTtheAxis on (May 10, 2010, 12:42 GMT)

no one ever says a word against dhoni including all the socalled experts in the garb of commentators ... he has been instrumental in India's defeat through stupid decisions time and again ... giving jadeja the ball in the WI match was a case in the point ... after being hit for sixes at will he brings him back for another over in a team full of spinning options - raina, rohit, yuvraj, bhajji, pathan ... jadeja, yuvraj seem to be in the team because of dhoni only ... as a batsman he can only clog & eat up balls while the commentators label him a dangerman ... a dangerman for sure but for the indian team ... a team full of fat, under-prepared, lethargic fogies with too much money in the bank to care

Posted by shanz12 on (May 10, 2010, 12:42 GMT)

This performance is the perfect tribute to the quixotic selection by the eccentric Srikanth.Dhoni is also becoming another brainless wonder,and Kapil wants these players to be paid more.

Posted by klassickc on (May 10, 2010, 12:37 GMT)

Dhoni's ego just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Why would you play Ravindra Jadeja???? He is a part time bolwer, comes to bat at no. 9. What is dhoni expecting that jadeja will come at #9 and win the game for India????It is just a 20 Over game Mr. Dhoni!!!Jadeja has never been an exceptional performer and to say we picked him because of his past performance is total BS. We have to show adaptability and select the Team depending on the conditions. Piyush Chawla is a regular bowler and he is warming the bench!Electing to field first when you know you have to do lot catching up with run rate and on top of that going with just 2 genuine bowlers(i dnt count Zaheer because he has never performed in a big match) is just out of my imagination!"Batting is our strength" then MR. Dhoni why the hell on the earth you won't bat first and set a target for the opposition?????There are serious questions that should be asked about Dhoni's captaincy. They Suck!

Posted by ashamilton on (May 10, 2010, 12:36 GMT)

its poor show from india... 1st of al selection comittee, dhoni shud b blamed. i cant understand y the out of form players were selected... yuvi, gambir, jadeja etc if u know the current indian players r not gud against short balls then y not selected experienced players like sachin, dravid? its very shameful to watch our players against short balls.. not a single players is adapted to play short balls.its totally unfair from selection committee...they have selected not based on the players current form but from reputation.. india 'B' team might have performed wel than these stupid dhoni team. even dhoni had made 2 wrong decisions to field WI even after knowing heavy defeat against aus.. our players r gud enough to entertain us only in IPL....BCCI shud cut off their pay for non-performers.. sorry guys i lost complete interest in indian cricket... lazy guys... i think we, the public, r very much attached to indi cricket wid mind n heart more than these players..

Posted by anirudhgreat on (May 10, 2010, 12:33 GMT)

India is losing because of their defensive mindset. Dhoni's strategy of depending too much on his batsmen and his spinners is highly flawed and in sharp contrast to the strategy of successful teams like Australia and England.

Dhoni's first mistake in the previous 2 games has been to win the toss and bowl first, when you are playing with only 3 specialist bowlers and 2 partial all-rounders.

His second mistake is bowling defensively and not going for early wickets.

But all is not lost. India can still qualify for the semifinals.

First, India should replace R Jadeja with Vinay Kumar.

Second, India should bat first if they win the toss and look to score more than 180 on the Gros Islot pitch. If India bat second then they should restrict SL to less than 160 by taking wickets and especially targeting M Jayawardene with the short ball and adequate protection on the leg side and then chase down the target in less 17.4 overs.

Third, the first six overs should be bowled by pacers only.

Posted by naz139 on (May 10, 2010, 12:25 GMT)

The problem here is that in the current crop of players, mainly young players from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh all are suspect againt good fast short pitched bowling. Their technques become exposed and become headless chickens when confronted with genuinely quick bowlers.

India have been very unfair to Robib Uthapap who was amazing in the IPL, also Mishra and ohja!! Asian selection process always makes you wonder what the real reasons are for good players missing out...

Posted by bmk1 on (May 10, 2010, 12:16 GMT)

This side do not deserve to be in semis. This side is for sure is over-rated and over-paid. Not sure what Yuvraj and Jadeja doing in first 11 and its only team who plays with the spinners on a pace pitch.

Posted by ravisankarjammy on (May 10, 2010, 12:08 GMT)

dhoni can win over any minds with his speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!thats what he shows again and again.see in a pitch where there is huge dampness in the wicket y do u open ur bolwing attack with a spinner...............and not with ur premium quicks.......DOES ANYONE HAS ANSWER FOR THIS.............

Posted by SridharBellam on (May 10, 2010, 12:06 GMT)

Its the best time for Indian selectors to rethink on the team. Why do they need Ravindra Jadeja if they have Pragyan Ojha, who is in form and a proven left arm spinner and highest wicket taker in recent IPL. Jadeja is neither a talented bowler nor a proven batsman. The Indian fast bowlers struggled on the pitch where medium pacers of WI got the right spots. Dhoni is the culprit in backing up the out of form Gambhir and Yuvraj and Jadeja.

Posted by A.Ak on (May 10, 2010, 12:02 GMT)

Its is all about lack of PATIENCE in the middle. They just rush to clear the boundaries and loose their wickets. you ca nsee this doesnt happen in other formats. It comes only with experince and and mental tolerance. Thats how Dravid and Tendulkar did for India. This talented young team misses that, and put themself under pressure including Dhoni. Even struggling under medium pace and spin.

Though they misses very few good pullers like Uthappa, still this team can do anything. Hope they learn at least this time.

Posted by usmankhan001 on (May 10, 2010, 11:58 GMT)

lots of indian were very excited abt pak defeat and were giving suggestions to pak team n now the over rated team is almost out of d tornament so do suggest ur team guys :P plyrs like pathan jadeja vijay can only perform in ipl plx find a way to handle short balls bye bye india have a safe journey :P

Posted by VettiPayyan on (May 10, 2010, 11:34 GMT)

Also I feel we shud not criticise Ind team being at 80 /6 etc consistently in last 2 matches.. If u see, even other teams like SL, Pak, even Aus are consistently at 60/5. Infact,Aussies were so against Bang.

But the only diff that separates Ind from others, is that others tried to fight back as they were committed to the cause, But Ind was just "GOING THRU THE EMOTIONS" as Kapil paji clearly said. Kapil also said Dhoni is becoming too cool and not even questioning players for incorrect balls.. U can think u r nice to ppl.. But ppl of r 2 kinds.. One who understand this and appreciate it and hence give 100%. Others who take advantage and think "Ok. I can do this and Dhoni wont ask me as he knows its natural to get hit for 6s in T20' Dhoni is 100 % responsible for yday's loss.. 1) He missed a simple catch of Gayle and reacted as if it was Yusuf mistake. Last match Warner collided with someone yet took Rohit' catch. 2) Fiedling first 3) Picking Jadeja 4) not bowling Yuvi.

Posted by _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on (May 10, 2010, 11:29 GMT)

@mehul1978. Aus, W.I., Eng to name a few scored 160+ on the Barbados pitch, please don't tell me your "either or" comment was suggesting that the pitch is heavily favouring bowling. 2ndly, nothing is wrong with strengths and weakness BUT what many are witnessing is not a weakness...it is incompetence. Guys like Warner, Ross Taylor, Kallis all played decently against the spinners in the IPL, they were not strong when the ball turned but they were NOT incompetent. Clarke is 1 of the best vs spin in the world n he is from Aus. I saw Murali and Mendis embarrass Ind the last time Ind visited Sri Lanka on pitches that offered SHARP turn, not the slow, low turn nonsense prepared in Ind, so Ind batsmen can't even claim to be invincible to good spinners anymore. This is all reality. Ind have potential to be better but some fans and some players alike only know how defend them regardless and point fingers at others. W.I. in their hey-day won in all conditions n so to did Aus in their day.

Posted by shmohan on (May 10, 2010, 11:25 GMT)

First of all the team selection was wrong. Secondly, if we are going to field first, should not fast bowlers take the first baal? Team was so unbalanced that if one fast bowler failed, there is no way to hide! And pray what influence does Jadeja weild in the team? He is so short on confidence after the savage hit the Aussies gave him, still he is prefered. Pl don't get me as parochial, but as long as Srikanth insists on stuffing his TN team on Indian team, there is no salvation. Just look at the teams selected for Zimwabwe and Under 19. It is virtually who is who of TN team!!!

Posted by ssarka11 on (May 10, 2010, 11:20 GMT)

i m surprised to see rabindra jadeja again and again and dont know why. to me,even all the bangadeshi spinner are better than him. why dhoni is picking him everyday. At the opening position, india still havent go replacement for shewag who destroy the bowling within first couple of overs. i think, india will be same old team without shewag or sachin.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 11:17 GMT)

I agred Kapil Dubey May 10 total diff ball game ipl and world/ T20 game, indian T20 player is maide enough money with Ipl so my openion built complit new teem some player complit faliar why they have been selected.

Posted by sashwin on (May 10, 2010, 11:10 GMT)

It's too bad that next year's IPL will only be 60 days long, and have only 10 teams. We need to have IPL for 120 days, and have 50 teams, since our cricketers are not proud of representing India. Virat Kohli, Suresh Raina, Yuvraj, and Dinesh Karthik have acknowledged that they don't even know our national anthem.

I think our cricketers are ashamed to play for India, and choose IPL over the motherland. What a shameful situation.. I hope all foreign players boycott IPL so that it becomes dull and uninteresting.

Posted by ganymide on (May 10, 2010, 11:10 GMT)

Every captain of indian, i mean recently from Ganguly onwards, first few years they're ok, they're very hungry to win each match, each tournament, and then their performance, pitch reading skills, team selection, you name it, all are going to drop drastically, apart from that they're overconfident, and egoistic, that causes quick fall down of team. Now the real villan is Dhoni's captaincy. and Srikanth's team selection. They've to select whoever in the form, rather than paper tigers. Who's vijay? why not Robin? And why they didn't select Pragnan Ojah, why they selected Ravider jadeja? and Ofcourse poor form Yuvi, and burden seniors like Zaheer khan, wicketless harbhajan. Gambhir in poor form. This is the team they want to win world cup. Dhoni's arrogance and ego, caused this down fall. Why he choosed same team and bowling first? Dhoni people never forget this type of rubbish performance and your poor captaincy. Shame on Indian cricket team. This only billion dollar team, not winningtea

Posted by VettiPayyan on (May 10, 2010, 11:09 GMT)

Sehwag has opted out for personal reasons.. but bcci showed it as injury to avoid criticism. If dhoni thinks his bowling is not fit enuff to contain totals, then he shud always expect chasing totals.. 8/10 matches in KO, Bdos have been won by team batting first.. including some from this WC. Even then he thinks his team can exploit overnite dampness. Also i dont think we wud have scored 150+ if we wud have batted first.. but do belived our bowling wud have looked diff. while cotaining totals.

The moment i saw 170 as total, i knew we r out. Cos none of the team members look committed/aggressive as they normal do.

I cud clearly see that except Bhaji no one showed commitment. All others wanted to 'escape the situation' somehow and wanted some luck to push them into semis which i think we didnt deserve.

Posted by sben on (May 10, 2010, 11:05 GMT)

While its true that in the IPL you are unlikely to have 3 150k+ pacemen in the team, dont forget the largely dead pitches make it easier to play fast bowlers. In the exceptionally slightly bouncy tracks in Bangalore, Steyn and others were almost unplayable. We may have had great test players in the past who faced up to bouncers well but in a test you can dodge 20 overs of bouncers and no one will care. Not so here. Anyway, dont worry. BCCI will see to it that all future cups are played in India so Yusuf and Yuvi and others can score many centuries and we will be the champs again. Just dont mention the word "overseas" ever :-)

Posted by sureshmsb143 on (May 10, 2010, 11:03 GMT)

If we want to see india in cricket win we have to add ipl team names with india such as North Indian Daredevils,South Indian Super Kings,Royal Indian Challenge, etc. Or If you dream of seeing india blossom in international level jus ask each franchise to buy a foreign player so tat ten foreign players shud mak quality+dhoni who can give reasons for evry loss and stay cool and keep losing wen it matters. DHONI dont feel emotional for chennai super kings and ur franchise paying in crores. We feel emotional and ashamed for tis . Suggestion:Request all teams that tis team cant play short pitch delivery so please bowl in our areas . Note to be attached:But even we ll get out if u bowl in right areas so bowl slower and away from steps and drop catches.

Posted by Shakti_Chittara on (May 10, 2010, 10:58 GMT)

Just when Dhoni was facing the second last over of this match against West Indies yesterday I was reminded of an IPL match. The match was very crucial for Chennai Super Kings and Dhoni led from the front , played a great inning of intent and passion to help CSK get into the semi finals. I am reminded of the post-match conference when someone asked him why did he react so passionately after winning the match, he said CSK is a very good franchisee and spend so much on us. It is our duty to atleast qualify for the semis. I guess qualifying for a WC semifinal birth does not fit into Mr. Captain cool's priorities. Atleast we should have seen some passion or intent from the team. They only had 4 days of rest before the world cup and according to Dhoni it was more than enough. Was it really ? It is high time now that all indian players who have a central contract are put through serious restrictions for playing in IPL. Their number of matches should be fixed. Period !

Posted by brusan on (May 10, 2010, 10:53 GMT)

Well there are several questions to raise : Why Dhoni didn't take one extra fast bowler even knowing that it is a fast pitch . Second , why M.Vijay and not Kartik ? Final and the most important question, whether there was any match fixing involved . In order to fund the extravagant lifestyle match fixing is a lucrative way of earning quick money . The BCCI board should analyse the motivation of the players .

Posted by Jollz on (May 10, 2010, 10:45 GMT)

I think the Selectors got it wrong ( Selection Committee & Tour Selection) for India. Based on his recent form, why wouldn't any one pick Robin Uthappa ?? I think current form has nothing to do with getting selected in Asian Teams, its just your stats & probably favoritism. I dont think Jadeja & Fawad Alam ( Pakistan) deserve to be in the national squads... I mean they cant hit a six when it is needed ( neither can i, i can score singles N twos), they bowl rubbish & fielding!!! how can some1 be selected purely on fielding ?? Why didn't Dhoni play Vinay Kumar ?? Asians have been exposed very badly against the short ball, this is a new World Order for T-20, bounce the asians out. I wouldnt be surprised if Aussies start dominating T-20 for years n years.

Posted by regin on (May 10, 2010, 10:44 GMT)

looking at srilanks's big loss yday against aus, india still have a chance if they beat srilanka by a good margin & hope that aussies beat windies (which is very likely given the form the aussies are), but despite being an indian fan, i dont think india deserve to be in the semis. there r 3 things which completely baffle me about dhoni & team mgt. decision. 1. why elect to field first??? when winning the toss twice. in a pressure match, u always bat first if given the chance. see the aussies. 2. what the hell is jadeja doing in this team??? does he know how to play cricket? we saw last t20 world cup he cant bat (25 off 35 & that's why India went out last time), this time we saw he cant bowl (conceding 50+ runs in 3 overs), he also doesnt know how to run between wickets, field nor catch dollies (dropped an easy c'paul catch). he is the worst cricketer I have ever seen! 3. why are india playing with only 3 bowlers??? I have never seen this.

Posted by monty29 on (May 10, 2010, 10:43 GMT)

There is a serious strategic error on part of the think-tank. You ought to have Dravid, Kohli and Uthappa in the line-up. Jadeja could have given way to Ojha or Mishra, who are far more talented. As an all-rounder, Irfan is much better than Jadeja. Yusuf cannot be considered as a pure top-order batsmen on bouncy pitches, however, he can be in the team as lower order batsmen and a bowler. Again, I want to say that the selection of M.Vijay isn't all that bad. He appears to be a sound batsmen and should not take long to flourish. U. Yadav also appears to be talented. However, it is for the captain and the coach to mould the temperament of these talented youngsters. And lastly, I have to say that Dhoni's decision to field in the last two games was completely unjustified in face of the pace attack that he has.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 10:42 GMT)

Well, why read so much into trivial details. This is a simple case of bad selection, bad play, and even worse before game strategy. Why play with only 3 specialist bowlers? Why leave Pragyan Ojha or Murali Karthik home when clearly over the years have been the best spinners in the country? Don't remember any batsmen fearing our Bhajji. Thank god that he has been economical so far. Now what about Mr. Pathan? When was the last time he even scored a half century for India (I m not talking about IPL)? He just has one shot (straight pick up over long on/off). Everyone has him figured out. Why doesn't Dhoni know come up the order which he likes to do on flat beds @ home? Why was Vinay Kumar picked up if he is not even considered for playing 11 specially when the other main fast bowler (Praveen Kumar) was injured? Is he so bad that he cannot be even picked up ahead of Jadeja? Why play Jadeja? He is not a specialist bowler and i seriously doubt his batting talent. I have many more points.....

Posted by gyanesh_don on (May 10, 2010, 10:32 GMT)

The problem with Dhoni is that he wins 50% of his matches through luck and the problem with luck is it does not work 50% of the time.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 10:31 GMT)

Saw this misery coming and expected. So no heart burns. Though i wish we drub SL tomorrow and still make the semi and prove me wronhg, i will be a proud indian. will it,wont it . Hope SL dont drub us badly and rub salt. Agreed the team had to be finalised before IPL gained momentum but Jadeja has not done any great shakes to be in the team. He is best a good first class cricketer . Yousuf can atleast hit and win matches though the probibility is low. Irfan would have been a better utilityplayer than his brother.karthik would be still better if not ojah a first choice. We should have two teams for India. One for Home series and one for away.

Posted by murlee50 on (May 10, 2010, 10:22 GMT)

Remember somebody saying there was no need for practice matches as IPL had provided them with enough match practice! IPL will be the death of Indian cricket for sure. The only thing these cricketers are after is moolah. So IPL will always be top priority for them and not playing for the country!

Talking of fast bowlers, reminds me why i still believe Gavaskar was the greatest batsman India produced and not Sachin. Those days the wickets in Windies were lightning quick, one had to face a four pronged formidable pace attack, comprising Roberts, Garner, Holding, Marshall enough to send shivers down any batsman's spine. Whats more the back foot no ball rule was in operation and Gavaskar wore no protection but for his skull cap! Having said that post retirement Gavaskar's contribution to Indian cricket has been ZILCH!

Posted by Sakib241 on (May 10, 2010, 10:21 GMT)

I love the position the Indians are in. The team they hate most "Australia" hold the key to their fate. I know Australia will try and win against West Indies. That's sportsmanship. India with their defensive thinking would have let the match go if they were in Australia's position.

Posted by sagarpower on (May 10, 2010, 10:17 GMT)

Dhoni n co r struggling against quality pace attacks on a livlier pitches. The team itself is not equipped or skilled to deal with short pitch stuff. Moreover the problem is with the team selection. Y u select out of form players like yuvraj, yusuf pathan, gambhir etc and expect them to gain form in the world cup. u should select and encourage talent by giving them chances when they r in peak of their game n form. India is definately missing batting maestro Sachin Tendulkar. Ravindra Jadeja who in terms of Dhoni is a great allrounder, but in actual terms is not a great bowler nor is a good batsman or a big hitter. So I really dont understand what he is doing in the team. Its better if you select in form players like Murli Karthik or pragyan ojha, who r good in their art of left arm bowling, although might not be allrounders but atleast they can do d job in terms of bowling. Team combination is a problem. No doubt yusuf is a big hitter, in terms of batting technique he is way short.

Posted by dsig3 on (May 10, 2010, 10:16 GMT)

Chris Gayle is an absolute freak. Great game WI. Now hopefully SL can finish off this sorry indian team. BTW that young indian spinner is the worst bowler I have ever seen and I've seen Cameron White.

Posted by rockyreckless on (May 10, 2010, 10:08 GMT)

The rationale can't play Short Pitch Bouncers is as non-nonsensical as Australians complaining about unable to bear Indian heat a decade ago. No team is 20-20 perfect. Every team has its weakness. The Australians have it, WIndians have it, Sri Lankans have it, even the South Africans have it, they are still playing and winning. Why do Indian Cricket Team always has an excuse to lose matches in world cup. I have never seen Ricky Ponting or his boys giving a "short pitch bouncer" reason as an excuse for losing a match. That's just not professional. You lose a match beacause you didn't play it well, not because the pitch was bouncy, Can't play bouncer, the Umpire cheated, the opposition cheated, the fans didn't clap, not enough juice in the wicket, all other BS.... Dhoni should a sheer introspection whether he deserves to be a captain of a T20 side. He had not played single innings of character and depth in this T20 tournament.

Posted by iamsajan on (May 10, 2010, 10:07 GMT)

Come on guys, India lost 2 games and out of the tournament. Thats it. We did loose one day world cup tournaments even though the team was blessed with the presence of Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly.. & Co. We lost them even bigger margins. Blame it on the administration who are responsible for preparing pitches which are feather beds, and definitely our young players would get hurt when they come out of it.

Posted by rockyreckless on (May 10, 2010, 10:03 GMT)

I find Dhoni's explanations as bewildering as his selection of India XI for last two lost matches. What MORE does DHONI wants in his star-studded, millionaire, rock-star filled teams?. This Indian team captain has just won the most expensive, popular T20 League in the world with more than two players (Murali Vijay & Sureish Raina) playing for same side. (Chennai Super Kings). I don't think no cricket team would have played so much of T20 that Indian team has done for a continous strech for more than 3+ weeks, given almost 70% of current Indian T20 team member belong to one or the other IPL Franchise (either as an Icon player or as a a Million Dollar rockstar including, Dhoni, Yuvraj Singh, Zaheer)..l.Ctd.....

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 10:00 GMT)

again one more reminder lucky that india is against SL in next match even they are also suffering a lot from defeat oops one more they also sharing the chin music from aussies but the only prob for india is SL have malinga but india lolzz they only have spinners who are bowling fast almost equal to fast bowler .......where as zaheer and nehra i du nno why is it still they are called even bowlers ..........god only could help them

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 9:55 GMT)

The Indian batsmen should learn from Dravid. He would prepare brilliantly before every match. In his youth,he asked bowlers to bowl with a wet tennis ball half way down the pitch so that he could get prepared for the short ball and bounce on pitches outside India.(when he just made the Indian test side)

Posted by old_iron on (May 10, 2010, 9:52 GMT)

Dhoni is happy being a big fish in a small pond. (And earning his $'s of course) India have been found out in this t'ment and it proves that IPL is mickey mouse compared to the real thing. Half the players would NOT cut it in the 20/20 WC. How close was Hayden to selection... a mile, several miles... "Celebraties", Modi lording it on the bench in the dugout with his "mates" whilst he spends his life looking "important" on the phone and the pandering to TV who feathered his nest..... its all unravelling. Do you reckon your average Aussie cares a hoot about his franchise team compared to the green & gold in this WC? Quod erat demonstrandum

Posted by Sunman81 on (May 10, 2010, 9:51 GMT)

T20 is game where players should be selected based on Form and not reputation... Unless Dhoni and think tank understands this, the second T20 World cup for India will remain just a dream forever. In form players like Robin Uthappa, Ojha, Mishra were just ignored and instead the current squad is picked just based on reputation....

If Vinay Kumar or Umesh Yadav were not picked in a track assisting Fast bowler, I am not sure when Dhoni will be using them...he should justify their inclusion in the squad...

Posted by Jeet13 on (May 10, 2010, 9:48 GMT)

India- a team of proper professionals, with a captain know to be so lucky for India, that they dont even think of any other replacement, even if its just for a try - out purpose. If he is the so- called "Best Indian Captain" of our current cricket period, then why dint he have the sense to not involve Jadega again in the squad after we all saw how he was treated against the Aussies. He could had replaced Jadega with Vinay Kumar, as he deserved a match to play after showing a pretty good performance at the IPL. Do we not require fast bowlers who can take advantage of the kind of pitch that lies in West Indies and provide some more seam into the bowling attack as we all know we do not have any shortage of spinners and part - time spinners. Dhoni says its all about the experience as the top 3 experienced players were not playin in this year's world cup, but what about the young blood that posses the right skills for the right kind of pitch ??

Posted by jeevan on (May 10, 2010, 9:45 GMT)

I m glad India are failing in T20. Hopefully now the players, the board and us the fans can put more emphasis on Test and One-day cricket where we are doing pretty well. And we should use T20 format to give experience to young players.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 9:43 GMT)

It is very unfortunate that we rely on captaincy of Dhoni when he become more and more money maker thru ads rather then a cricketer. The only player who can bring glory to India is either Tendulkar or Sehwag. All other are bunch of idots who just playing for sake of their pocket and how to make more money with ads and contracts with sponsors. IPL is a rouge and and bird flu in India that will kil natural cricket from players and will replace big bunch of dollars in their vains. What make to select Jadeja when he totally useless and he is the only CULPRIT to bring loss to India. Why Dhoni bringing M. Vijay as opener when he has other option in form of DINESH KARTIK who could be useful then keep on trying sloggers...... BCCI and seletor team again keep these two worst players in the team for visiting Zimbabwe where they will keep on continuing damaging the reputation of India. BCCI SHOULD BRING BACK SEHWAG AS CAPTAIN AND REMOVE DONI FOR THE TIME BEING AND INCLUD DINESH as Keeper. Shakti

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 9:32 GMT)

I'm with Sunshine108 - I had the pleasure seeing Gavaskar facing a very hostile Dennis Lillee at the SCG many years ago, he was a superb batsman. To face short pitched bowling, learn to pull & hook. Ponting does it, it gets him out many times but as a percentage shot you can see why he is also highly ranked.

Posted by n.Setpal on (May 10, 2010, 9:25 GMT)

All the players are still busy counting the dollars they earn in IPL, Sehwag 2nd time is injured playing for DD and not available for NATIONAL side to represent WC? Yuvraj totally exhausted with late parties and is STILL part of the team only because he hit 6 sixes 3 years back? IPL is purely making game which has no NATIONAL FEELINGS in comparison to playing for INDIA. The players are OVER USED in IPL tournament and when it is time for the MOST IMPT WORLD CUP all players are exhausted and have no fuel to perform. Very sad to see Top IPL performers, performing so Dull in the most Important World Cup. Anyway it is good that they are kicked out of the tournament so that we dont have to waste our precious time watching them any more. Go and play IPL and stop playing for TEAM INDIA, you bunch of losers who prefer IPL (money) to NATIONAL PRIDE.

Posted by Joby_George on (May 10, 2010, 9:22 GMT)

Bring Jadeja to bat at No.3 next time, he has loots of caliber. Include one more spinner and remove one fast bowler, either zaheer or nehra. One more omportant thing, in next match even if we get toss, we should bat second as we did before. Flight is reeady soon after the srilankan match and pakistani players also will be there with you guys in the flight, pls dont fight , good luck to both the teams for T20 2011.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 9:09 GMT)

Can India Reach SEMIS from Here?

Now comes the interesting FACTS about this most beautiest Game of Cricket.

FOR India to reach Semis.

1. India need to make sure it Wins against SRILANKA in their next game.

2. WI Stays with 2 points after vs Aus Match.(an Aussie win will ensure that)

3. India should win by a margin of 20 runs(atleast) to crawl up to second position.

4. A loss for WI will ensure their NRR go down below -1.075

5. IND winning by atleast 20 runs makes their NRR to -0.72 and the SRI NRR to -0.73

If all the above things happens in the next 2 matches in St .Lucia, INDIA can still make through to Semis.

Against India reaching Semis.

1. Both the matches will be played in St. Lucia. which we had already seen a slow wicket(somewhat like Sub-continent wicket) which might favour SRI too.

2. Aussies might struggle with the slowness of the wicket, with Home crowd advantage of WI.

Still keep your fingers crossed and raised towards god with prayers, who can only give enough

Posted by ArunVaidyanathan on (May 10, 2010, 9:07 GMT)

I would like to see any other side that plays the short pitched balls well. People! It is unfair to say our batsmen are not good players of the short ball. I'm yet to see any good player of it in T20 cricket, be it Australia or West Indies or England. In test cricket, you have the choice of ducking in when faced with the chin music. Tendulkar and Dravid may have been handy here. But, that's again purely because we've seen them pull or hook in a test match. I doubt if they would fancy their chances doing the same at the T20 arena. It was yet another bad day for us. With no choice but to accept it and work on the next games, I wish our bowlers practice the short ball and give other teams the taste of their own medicine, particularly the Aussies and the Windies. Let's give them some short stuff and let's see how they play it in T20 cricket.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 9:05 GMT)

For India to qualify what are the equations? India has to win against Lankans but with what margin? And what if Lankans bat first?

Posted by gavinfrank on (May 10, 2010, 9:04 GMT)

Congrats to the BCCI on selecting the best players to win the t20 w/c. Being played in the windies, where traditionally the wickets have been fast and bouncy they selected guys like jadeja,yousuf. they selected bowlers like raina,jadeja,yousuf,yuvraj, none of whom can turn the ball enough to scare even a domestic cricketer. And Congrats to Dhoni as well. On a fast barbados pitch twice he elected to field on winning the toss. fully aware that he had only 3 frontline bowlers in nehra,khan,and bhajji. of whom only bhajji was ever going to be effective since the pacers never had the pace or the seaming conditions to threaten any opposition. He entrusted bowling duties to so called part time spinners like the ones mentioned above, even after they got hammered against south africa. what could have possibly convinced him that the same bunch would do differently against the mighty aussies or the WI is beyond comprehension. CONGRATS TO BCCI, ANOTHER HUMILIATION BECKONS AT THE NEXT WORLD CUP.

Posted by Samdanh on (May 10, 2010, 9:01 GMT)

This is perhaps not the right article my comment should go in response to. But I still wanted to bring out what I heard. During the series India was playing before the IPL or during the very early phase of IPL3, I heard Shastri mocking at the gadgets that were reading the speeds at which the Australian fast bowlers were bowling in the series against Pak or WI. He was literally asking if the speed guns were taking some nutritious breakfasts, mocking on the sly at the ability of the Aus fast bowlers to bowl that fast. Perhaps he has made Indian cricketers pay for his joke besides taking the true force of the Aus ability on his face too. I think Star cricket should frequently inspect such one sided commentators who are not neutral and who show scant respect for players of other nations and their abilitites. Such commentatros should be barred from commentating for at least two years making them know why they are being sidelined.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 8:59 GMT)

does india have chance 2 go 2 super 8....... anyone pls reply

Posted by ansram on (May 10, 2010, 8:58 GMT)

IPL seems to give a false security to the Indian players. The quality of cricket is nowhere near the WC and so many matches before a world cup makes them both mentally and physically tired. Subcontinental players are usually not as fit and strong as players from Aus, NZ etc. IPL may provide some practice but it brings about fatigue and a false sense of superior abilities.

We should have atleast some grounds in India which favours pace and bounce. A lot of domestic matches must be played here. We cant hide on batsmen friendly tracks forever or else we are going to be humiliated time and again.

Isn't a real shame for the cricket's richest nation to say that they have weakness against the short ball? When players from refugee camps are making big headlines here were have highly paid players with all facilities talking of lack of ability. IPL has corrupted the player mindset, that is it.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 8:53 GMT)

I dont think dhoni still doesnt realize that there is a need of technique batsman like dravid to play in these kind of pitches there is no use if you have 8 players like himself who just go on hitting the ball without any proper shots being played ...i am still suprised bdw the selectors still searching for the hitters who can hit instead of a classy batsman who can serve india atleast for a decade like dravid azar sachin laxman ...when will the selectors come to realize this oops i think it will be aftr loosing the main world cup also .:(...when one cant stay der atleast for 5overs by openers then y are they being played ........I blame only dhoni for not properly recognising talent like the other captains azar and ganguly did...with this type of team you cant win cups you can only win the shame lik this .....:(

Posted by MIRAJ_huq on (May 10, 2010, 8:48 GMT)

waaay tooo over-rated indian team...they lack technique flamboyance and match winning ability....rarely have a won a wolrd tournament..often bashed and battered by any oppositon. moreso with tendulkars and dravids. face the facts for once.Aussies can brush them aside any time of the day and they did for long gone years....innumerable times.

Posted by symsun on (May 10, 2010, 8:46 GMT)

Lack of quality bowlers is the sorrow story of Indian cricket...We never had quality bowlers who would take wickets regularly and be economical....

We mostly will have 6 batsmen in playing XI - 2 of them would get decent score in any match...and there will be atleast 4 regular bowlers in playing XI - 2 of them will certainly contain the runs and 1 or 2 would be expensive...spoiling all the gud work done by others...

This is Team India...not to blame Dhoni or IPL...If there is one person to be blamed, it shud be BCCI always.

BCCI never prepare friendly wickets for fast bowlers...just for simple reason to attract people and increase television rights money by high scoring games..

The truth may be they dono to prepare bouncy tracks (remember Delhi's un-playful pitch) and leaves players, spectors, curator...all into worries on big matches...

Posted by gavinfrank on (May 10, 2010, 8:42 GMT)

How many world cups before this BCCI understand that they cannot expect India to do well in T20 W/C if it is played just after the IPL. How many more thrashings before they understand that this team cannot handle pace bowling if it is bowled short on fast wickets and especially in t20. Can sum1 please explain to me why , guys like jadeja,nehra, pathan are in this team. There are players like uthappa, manish pandey, jakati etc who are specialist t20 players and they are warming benches in india. Why cant we have a specialist t20 team. with the likes of saurabh tiwary,rayudu,pandey,uthappa,dinesh karthik etc etc. Isnt there a bowling machine in the world that money can buy which can help the indian batting.Pathan cannot bat against fast bowlers, he cant bowl unless its a square turner. same goes for jadeja. yet they are in the team. Nehra,Irfan,RP,Sree,Ishant can only bowl when conditions suit them. we need to find bowlers who can bowl in any condition or sim fate awaits india next w/c.

Posted by AKmAK on (May 10, 2010, 8:42 GMT)

Woooha.. once again heart-brocken indian fans all over the world. Eventually we can see that from indian players prospective its a mere THING!!. Lets have a look, exactly couple of things catalysted the tumble. one is injustice selection and pathetic decisions (or knowingly) form skipper. These players are well aware, they going to get huge money and celebrity status regardless of the outcome, so why should bother to take chances in full length diving or athletic catching at crucial times, as we can see around so many other players had exicuted. So its time to (indian fans) change mind and neglect them until they bring some good CATCH.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 8:41 GMT)

Another tournament...another BIG disappointment! Going into the T20 W cup after IPL expectations were high since every player (exept Jadeja) had played alot of T20. This proves the huge gulf between IPL and international cricket ( IPL very low standards ! ) . Also every Indian player got alot of money for IPL and seemed disenchanted during the T20. Why were out of form players Yuvraj, Jadeja selected ? dont these guys practice short balls? For resons only known to Dhoni he won the toss and elected to chase both times!!!- Does he not take the opion of Kirsten or any senior member? These boys have a long way to go.....I hope atleast they enjoyed the beach vacation !

Posted by symsun on (May 10, 2010, 8:37 GMT)

I am not sure why most of them blame IPL as just a commercial event and different from International tournaments conducted by ICC. If u could go back 10 or 20 yrs, u will know how much ICC has commercialized cricket. IPL went one-step ahead of ICC and other county championships. If english or aussie had such successful county championships in their country, i m sure they would have kept their mouth shut.

Reasons for Indian Team worries.... - we never prepare gud sporting wickets in India (to favor high scoring games). This leaves our player though talented to suffer in true swinging or bouncy tracks. - Lack of frequent Overseas tours for India....BCCI always wants to conduct local matches and gain money (tv rights, audiences)...

Also our players always leave their brains in India itself while leaving abroad to such major tours..idiots

Don't forget to blame ICC, for allowing teams to play such big events without practice matches...though 2 practice matches is still not adequate.

Posted by chakri_ek on (May 10, 2010, 8:37 GMT)

Never mind the T20 WC. We have a shot at redemption with the upcoming ZIM tour and that useless Asia Cup in SL. I think there is another seperate series with SL also in July. The boneheads running BCCI are only concerned about the moolah flowing in from IPL. So what if the team gets kicked out from the WC? We can always go and clobber ZIM/IRE/AFG and play tournaments cricket with SL.

Posted by rahulken on (May 10, 2010, 8:34 GMT)

I think Dhoni has fixed the matches otherwise he won't opt for bowling after wining the toss with 8 players as batsmen. I think he is now very much behind money as couple of weeks he explained that CSK's win is biggest victory ahead of CB series and WCT20 in 2007. He is really fixing the matches.

Posted by Geff on (May 10, 2010, 8:34 GMT)

Dhoni comments on IPL was correct, adding to it the grounds used in IPL were small pulling the boundary rope in for more entertainment value. But indian selection through out the tourney was baffling. First time after Dhoni started to lead, he was let down by his boys, his body language was not good as it used to be. future seems to be meare if shot pitch bowling continues in world stage.

Posted by Chandrurec5 on (May 10, 2010, 8:20 GMT)

What I like most about Dhoni is even after the losses, he gave a fantastic T20 Theorem, constant amount pressure * period of time =Bowler bowls bad balls. Corollary: Sixes are easy to get. It is said the true genius comes out when one has the back to the walls. And it is evident that Dhoni is one such genius

Posted by piriyaa on (May 10, 2010, 8:18 GMT)

please back urself. al the best for indian team in2011 world cup to be played in subcontinent with sachin&dravid playing it

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 8:13 GMT)

In few words, IPL is responsible for Indian debacle in the world arena specially in T20 format. IPL has commercial aspects more than gaining any expertise for the young players. The standard of pitches and type of bowling attack available to the oppositions is less lethal and penetrating. Dhoni is right in saying that IPL is no where comparable to the international standards. Much to the worry the guys were already exhausted and completely drained out before entering into this tournament. India should choose that is it worthy to earn billions of dollars through low grade tournaments or to protect the international pride in the key tournaments?

Posted by shiby on (May 10, 2010, 8:07 GMT)

Stop the Shot ball argument, If India aware to face shot ball until now, Shame !. Better to stop play T-T. Dhoni selfish and nothing learned from previous history. Mr. Cap Dhoni don't prove or show us that, u r much confident or right judgment even after won the Toss? Both Team r nerve breaking position, very simple to Bat Fist, like here wrote all Article a 150 target. We loosing all matches against Mental attacks because all our Players body language Others reading well. And the Kid Jadeja what is his Role in Team India? Just prove Cap Dhoni is still Over Confident? Very Encouragement Cold? We fellow Indians know that IPL & Int'l is different, So what benefit for Indiain Cricket with IPL??. Forget past, it's over, Still India have a nano Chance; against SLK win over much Run Rate!!! Not only a win, to be a dream too, suppose AUS defeat WI a big margin.

Posted by I_want_real_Cricket on (May 10, 2010, 8:03 GMT)

Gayle got it right- as did Dhoni. it is a mental thing. Raina, Vijay, Yusuf Pathan, even Rohit Sharma were not adequately mentally prepared to face short ball from a high quality pace attack. To be fair to these guys, anyone would have found it difficult to face Dirk Nannes and Shaun tait as became clear yesterday when Mahela, Sanath and Kumar sanga (sachin. dravid and laxman from srilanka) also met with the same fate. People are talking a lot about Sachin, Dravid and laxamn. Shall I remind them that Glen McGrath always got Sachin cheaply in any major int tournament? Dravid and Laxman can't score at a pace required for T20 and what is the point. What Dhoni meant is that likes of Manish Pandey, Virat Kohali are watching this mayhem in India and will be made to think to develop the mental strength necessary to attack a high quality pace attack just as Sehwag and Dilshan does. India may win next year with right players in team.

Posted by Rajesh. on (May 10, 2010, 8:02 GMT)

Yes, IPL comparison unfair................ but please remember this statement even when batsmen go hammer & tongs on short boundaries & flat tracks in the IPL !!

Posted by vikasnapster on (May 10, 2010, 7:59 GMT)

The problem with the Indian team in the Super 8s has been very simple.They haven't batted well, they haven't bowled well, and they haven't fielded well. Reason? Clearly the lack of specialists. They were playing with 3 genuine bowlers + a left arm spinner who doesn't know how to turn the ball, a part time off break bowler who fires some long hops and a few others who Kevin Pietersen would describe as "pie chuckers".

To be fair it would've been very disappointing had India won yesterday. Disappointing because a team that can't score runs and can't take wickets doesn't deserve to be in the semis. West Indies played better. It was probably for the first time that i didn't want India to win. And they didn't.

Posted by bdeo on (May 10, 2010, 7:59 GMT)

It's 5 Member headed cy Srikant making 140 crores Indians A foolish people only due to their inability and bhai-bhatijawad and regionalism .5-6 players who is presently named for this T20 world cup I named them First one is Murli Vijay(He hadn't ability ,Experience as well as talent but still persist with him),Piyush chawla(Didn't shown anything to make their name inWC team),Ravindra jadeja(No Practice and attitude and if he expels for some reason from IPL than he Might involve in fixing for the country also),Goutam gambhir(who is not fully fit & form is also concern),Yousuf Pathan(Hostile for short pitch or fast ball),Umesh yadav(Not known even),Dinesh Kartik.Instead of these worst names If Honestly on the basis of form and performance team would be selected than There should have So many options available Like Manish Pandey,Robin Utthappa,Sourav Tiwari,Naman Ojha.So why Srikant and Co. Continuously picking a Ghatiya team.I think He is one of the greatest Fixers and Villian for Us.

Posted by Raj2506 on (May 10, 2010, 7:59 GMT)

First of all the team selection is wrong, i don't understand why Vinay kumar was not given a chance when fast bowlers do well, they stick to Ravindra jadeja who looks like to show off rather than prove onfield. In the last edition he was the one batted for england, and this time around he bowled for the opposition. Dhoni always says he goes with instinct, this does not work all the time. however, India is the only team which picks playing X1 based on seniority like government offices. India has to go a long way in terms of attitude, mental strength and discipline to be champions in all forms of the game and to sustain it.

Posted by lucyferr on (May 10, 2010, 7:56 GMT)

Other countries choose their national T20 teams based on their domestic T20 leagues. India's no different in that regard - so the IPL itself isn't the problem. The problem is that Indian pitches favor batsmen too much - so that the batsmen who thrive on Indian pitches don't necessarily thrive outside India. I'm not sure about the bowlers though - that's more complicated. In any case, here are possible solutions. (1) Hold every T20 WC in the subcontinent. (2) Encourage, possibly with financial incentives and subsidies, Indian players to play in T20 contests in other countries. (3) Use a few million dollars - a fraction of IPL profit - to make IPL franchise pitches more in line with conditions outside India. (4) Encourage IPL sides, even if not all the international players are available, or India B sides to tour other countries for T20 matches. ... yep, that'll do. And yes, I agree that (3) is very unlikely as it would result in (a) spending money, and (b) fewer DLF Maximums.

Posted by midhun_cm on (May 10, 2010, 7:47 GMT)

This time there's no need for Dhoni to take the blame himself.......Its the selectors to be blamed for they have come up with such pathetic selection.It seems that they have selected players from their repective states & whom they are interested without even knowing what form the players are in.....Murali Vijay & yusuf Pathan scored a Century so they got into the team but i was wonder struck when Ravindra Jadeja was selected.He didnt even play the IPL and i dont understand what the selectors have seen in him....i guess they must have seen him play in his backyard no other reason...while players like Uttapa,SaurabTiwari,Rayadu,Pragyan Ojha,Amit Mishra were all in good form.....Ghambir & Yuvraj were not at their best even durin the IPL....Murali & Yusuf were miserable in WT20.Its hard to beleive that Srikanth being a Ex-Cricketer could made such Rubbish Selection.....We need our country to do well @ the International level not our states......

Posted by Amarjitmadan on (May 10, 2010, 7:44 GMT)

What a great opening batsman in Vijay while Robin must be watching the mathes.There have to be some solid batsmen like Sachin and Rahul(though they cannot go for ever) You bowl Harbhajan the first four overs and there after no real spinner is left nor a fast bowler. Surely Viru is being missed. I suggest Dhoni stays on ground otherwise he will lose captainship due to lack of vision and planning.

Posted by nzmatt17 on (May 10, 2010, 7:37 GMT)

The subcontinent teams are all goiung home!!! bye bye Pakistan, India, and Sri Lanka!!! they do not deserve to ake any further part in this comp!!! semis will be Aussie, NZ, Eng, and the WI!!!

Posted by rocket123 on (May 10, 2010, 7:33 GMT)

India's batting is totally inept with lack of technique. India must realize the mistake of leaving out Rahul Dravid from T20 setup. The solidity of Dravid could have been a morale booster for young Indian batsmen in the middle. Dravid's performance in last and recent IPL seasons is a clear proof that he can be an asset in T20 setup for a while till young batsmen learn to command the innings with proper cricketing strokes rather than falling prey to short balls aimed at ribcage. India is at the brink of elimination in T20 WC second time in a row due to its batting woes. Suresh Raina, Gambhir, Vijay and many others have yet to master the trade against pace attack used to bowling at 90mph or above at all times. They need the support of great players like Dravid to learn how to play and modify their technique to remain effective in their stroke making in face of hostile fast bowling. What a pity to see Indian batsmen falling prey to formidable bowling attacks in the absence of Dravid

Posted by Rubz on (May 10, 2010, 7:29 GMT)

Dhoni is spot on. International cricket is a diffrent ball game then IPL. I would also go on say, Most of the IPL Franchise would struggle against australian state teams. The truth is, The quality of Indian cricket is not among the top countries yet.I also like to see Dhoni and Yousuf Pathan batting lot earlier to make a diffrence.

Posted by piriyaa on (May 10, 2010, 7:25 GMT)

wat happened 2 dhoni?why he played jadeja?he is not batting,bowling&fielding properly.the team dontseem 2 learn from their mistakes .especially dhoni.thogh he won the toss he didnt opt 2 bat first& didnt make any changes.the result was already decided at that moment.how he could commit the same blunders.in the ipl matches he was ready to bat firstand defendednthat. why not giving oppotunity 2 dinesh, piyush,vinay.though iam a huge msd fan ,the mistake cannot be forgiven. i wonder how they were the champions in2007.if we want 2 see india winning the cup,we have 2 purchase the 2007 final's cd and watch it for consolation. but heart beats for my team,soif they could rectify blundersand beat sl,&aus beats wi by huge margins,we can hope for semis.ifeel aus is the favourite to win the cup

Posted by sameer422 on (May 10, 2010, 7:23 GMT)

Because of IPL( indian people lost....WC) we lost the key player.....like sehwag....if sehwag do not play...gambhir will not play his natural game....form of yuvi....also cost us.....and Mr.yusuf phatan only play good cricket in Rajastan Royal not for ur country........every thing going wrong in indian team.....pls sir sachin ....help them out to improve in their weekness.....

Posted by Krishna_Sydney on (May 10, 2010, 7:17 GMT)

I somehow dont buy Dhoni's excuse that its the batting to blame and the bouncer is the sole cause of our losses.

What about the bowling ? Why play Jadeja ( or even give him a second over ) when he tosses so many half pitch deiveries and gets hit for 3 sixes in the Australia game?. I have never seen Zaheer bowl so poorly, or seen Yusuf Pathan bowl off line about 2 feet along with full tosses or Dhoni runnning into another fielder. Pathetic bowling and fielding!

Cant also understand why Chawla wasnt played instead of Jadeja.

Posted by RanjanMathur on (May 10, 2010, 7:17 GMT)

Its also has to do with the amount of cricket that Indians play in India. We hardly travel to countries such as SA, AUS & ENG which test technique. Most of our cricket is played at home or in countries such as Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Our selection is now based entirely on IPL performance, where picthes are tailored to the needs of the franchisees and to entertain crownds which come to see 400 runs scored in 40 overs....I think the combined effect of this is that our batsmen are highly overrated and found wanted on pitches which are even slightly lively. At best players like Raina, Rohit Sharma, Pathan, Jadeja, Vijay have mediocre ability and overlly hyped. They need to still develop their skills and be on a number of A tours first. Some of the players such as Yuvraj, Zaheer, Gambhir have the ability but are now considering their spots in the team unchallenged. India needs to get some good players to challenge them as well.....DROPPING some of them on poor performance is required.

Posted by simssoul on (May 10, 2010, 7:14 GMT)

overrated team like play under lots of pressure. India batting gets lots of praise like the world strongest batting line. i do not know why, they are just good at dead pitches. even Tendulkar and dravid have good record on dead picthes,but they average go down alot in fast pitches .

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 7:13 GMT)

We Indians have every right to demand favorable working conditions in WCT20. We give maximum revenues to the ICC, at least they should care more about us than Australia, WI or England. I demand no pace bowler should be allowed to bowl more than 135 kmph on fast tracks, only one short ball every 5 overs and that too by a spinner. When Raina bats, no fielder should be allowed in the mid wicket region, when Yusuf bats no pace bowler should be allowed, any ball going above waist height should be a no ball. When yuvi is batting, rule should be amended to exclude catch out from dismissals category, No square leg fielder for Murali Vijay and Dhoni should decide the playing eleven of the opposition team as He is prone to favoritism in selection. Then We will see who can beat us!! Huh!!

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 7:12 GMT)

I didn't understand the fact that why the hell Ravindra Jadeja was playing in the team? I won't blame Dhoni cuz he always has a thing about going with his instincts. He did a correct thing by taking bowling first cuz he believed that the pitch was having dampness that would have supported bowlers. But the team in which he showed faith failed him big time..wastes like Vijay, Yousuf,Jadeja, Gambhir, Yuvraj should be banned from playing any kind of cricket I think that's when they will understand what it feels like representing India, what Passion is all about and what is cricket. Go home you bullshit 5 players and take some inspiration from Sachin "The God" Tendulkar and Rahul "The Wall" Dravid..

Posted by ali.majaz on (May 10, 2010, 7:10 GMT)

Bye - Bye INDIA .. Have a safe Flight : P

Posted by sweetspot on (May 10, 2010, 7:08 GMT)

How quickly some of us dismiss this Indian team as rubbish! Even Australia were five down for next to nothing on this surface, before they came to terms with it. Playing on bouncy pitches is not necessarily the singular measure of a team's quality. How many touring teams have done well on India's turners? Beating India in India has been called the "Final Frontier", not for nothing. It is good there are different conditions, and persistent problems for batting sides. But that doesn't mean we should condemn a team after being exposed to a problem. No team can overcome a problem in 40 overs of batting on a hostile surface. By the way, like some of the fools here are suggesting, this is not some kind of disease for us to seek a cure - it is a learning process and you can expect the top teams to always be capable of learning.

Posted by Umungp6 on (May 10, 2010, 7:07 GMT)

Seriously, wat was the selectors doing the morning before the match. On a pitch with pace, and they only play 2 seamer. This would have been a perfect pitch for the likes of vinay kumar to debut, but no they had to play the overated Jadega. He hasnt had a match practise in what, few months now? and he has been a wasted spot in the team. Yusaf Pathan hasnt been able to get going either and he should be swapped with Dinesh Kartik. I rkn dinesh Kartik should open the batting with Gambhir, and M.Vijay should be down like Uthappa. AND Jadega needs to be out he has leaked over 50 runs in 4 or 5 overs and made no contribution with the bat

Posted by Wisdom_of_Cricket on (May 10, 2010, 7:05 GMT)

I blame the BCCI for the failure of the Indian team. By giving importance to the recently concluded Indian Premier League, they had allowed their Indian Team players to be involved in the six -week tournament until a week prior to the World Cup. To me that is insane. Most of the International teams that started their training at least two weeks prior to the start, and were not involved in any games during that time. The BCCI wanted its elite Indian players to be involved in IPL because they need the money. They don't care if the Indian team fails in the World 20-20 because they have already won the tournament before.

Posted by MiddleStump on (May 10, 2010, 7:02 GMT)

Yawn! Another T20 WC match, or is it the same replay? Select the same losing team, win toss, opt to field because you are scared to face quality fast bowling in the morning, concede 60 plus runs in 4 overs from the irregular bowlers, lose 6 wickets for around 100 with your 'world class' batting lineup. Then come to the press conference and say it will get better with experience. 2009 or 2010? Who can tell?

Posted by garimellaj on (May 10, 2010, 7:01 GMT)

It is very sad to see fold in such a weak fashion. It is hard not to question Dhoni's decision to bowl first! All games followed in this venue followed the same pattern - bat first, put a score and put the opposition under pressure. I can understand about the moisture and trying to exploit it, but India did not go with a strong pace attack and did not even open the bowling with Pace. We cannot win matches with part time spin bowlers, who for some reason are pitching the ball short. Jadeja is having a horrid time out there, he has given away more than 60 runs in three overs and left 2 catches. Please put him out of his misery!

I hope India does something better in the next match, for pride's sake at least.

Posted by abcricket on (May 10, 2010, 6:59 GMT)

You have 8 batsmen in your team, you win the toss and field, you know you are poor chasers. Can someone please explain why would you field first? Its just that you realize you do not have capable batsmen to last 8 overs of fresh wicket. Plus you have good fielders in your team. you drop sitters, you never have a direct hit at stumps. Why am I watching you??? Its back to square one. PS: Yuvraj Singh needs a break of atleast 5-6 years.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 6:59 GMT)

The Great Selectors of India are to blame for this atleast 50%.Anyone will agree we have far more better players than this bunch sent for WT20.Especially the bowlers are a pity while the best ones are sitting in India and laughing at them Mr.Srikanth on what basis did you select this team!? The battle was half lost before the team went to WI,extremely poor selection!

Posted by niazbhi on (May 10, 2010, 6:53 GMT)

india can take pride in the fact harbhajan suceededl. May be they could have played Ohja or Mishra with him to create a poweful spin duo. Irfan can play short balls very well. He bowls well on the foreign soil. Yuvraj was not playing well for a long time. Raina, Utthapa, Ghamvir, Dhoni, Rohit, IKPathan, Nehra, Harbhazan, PK/Vinay, Ohja can form the core of a good T20 team. Zim troubled everyone with their great spinners. BD medium pacers and Sakib did well. Good players are good at some places, great players are good everywhere. Then we have Yuvraj and YPathan who are great for once in ten matches. Even in IPL indian fast bowlers were not really threatening anyone. Vinay and dinda did an ok job. Mishra, Ohja, Harbhazan did well in IPL. SL, ZIM, PAK and BD played more than one specialist spinners and relied on them. I am afraid india did not even bring their two best spinners.

Posted by avkris on (May 10, 2010, 6:50 GMT)

i don't think its fair to say that only Indians struggle against good short pitch bowling; all the teams do. its just tat only Indians are peppered with the short pitch stuff more and only their failures are highlighted. its just tat India doesn't have bowlers who can give the opposition back what they are dished out.

Posted by Chetzz on (May 10, 2010, 6:46 GMT)

Well.... Let me tell something. At what strike rat does a batsman score? What was Tendulkar's strike rate in IPL? In between 130-145. I think the highest was of Robin Uthappa - around 177, but he had scored far less runs than Tendulkar. When you have people like Dhoni, Raina and other hard hitters then why not get someone who can play a sheet anchor role like Dravid. Dravid himslef had a strike rate of around 120 in IPL which is not bad looking at the strike rates of the present indian players in WC. First of all Yuvraj Singh shouldn't have been in the team, only reason is because he is out of form, thats it. Robin Uthappa should have been given a chance. Next, R.Ashwin or Pragyan Ojha should have been in instead of Piyush Chawla. Again, its just on their recent form, nothing else. If I could, then I would have brought back Dravid, Tendulkar & Kumble. Dravid, because for his sheet anchor role. Tendlya & Jumbo b'coz of their recent form and the legends they are... Aren't they?

Chetz

Posted by anonymousfan on (May 10, 2010, 6:45 GMT)

MSD is a very very lucky man. My guess is they will win aginst Sri Lanka and reach the semis. Then Indian fans will forget their disappointment and start writing poems praising him, like they did after the 2007 win. Some people just get everything they want, while others never do. But hey nobody said the world has to be a fair place.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 6:44 GMT)

First Of all the team selection was very Bad......Like leaving out Isanth Sharma who will be good in Bouncy pitches (But wasting him in Dead Indian Pitches),leaving Robin Uttappa (whos was in great touch in this year's IPL and more important who can pull),leaving Irfan Pathan (who's India's only genuine alrounder,For Christ shake don't leave him in any 20-20 squad)....and more importantly selecting Piyush Chawla ahead of Pragnyan Ojha).All these things came out into limelight Becauz of only one man who missed out at the last time,Virender Sewagh(India can't win any match without him,comfortably)

Posted by kristokris on (May 10, 2010, 6:40 GMT)

A country with more that a billion people doesn't have a geniuine fast bowler who can bowl at 140-150 and scare the opposition!! Why play cricket if you can't produce a genuine quick for last 30-40 years!

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 6:40 GMT)

I dont know why BCCi and Dhoni are backing up Ravaindr Jadeja when he is totally out of form. His performance was disastrous. His fielding was below mediocre not to forget dropped a catch too , took beating in bowling in both matches then too he was offered bowling by Dhoni, when he came to bat when run rate was over 15 instead of hitting the ball , he was content with taking singles . Also instead of taking ownership as he is all rounder he was giving strike to nehra and zaheer to play the shots. I mean what was he thinking . And now icing on the cake that BCCI has rested all the senior players as they need a well deserved rest for scoring single digit runs. Also in youth squad they havent included Robin Uthappa who is in terrific form . Hats off to Indian cricket .

Posted by kristokris on (May 10, 2010, 6:33 GMT)

BAN cricket in INDIA! The money put for cricket in India should go to other sports. Thats the onlyway other sports and sportspersons from India can get to the world stage! Idiolizing cricket and these Indian cricketers have given enough harm in india where no other sportspersons are allowed to come up.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 6:31 GMT)

Ravinthra Jadeja gets the honour to knock out India out of WC T20 for two consecutive times...

Posted by guru008 on (May 10, 2010, 6:30 GMT)

The indian team had lost even before they landed in West indies. the same story as last year. After having fun in IPL for over a month - they are just not interested in winning for teh country . their body language clearly shows that. On top of that the jokers selectors decided the team just one week after the IPL started. What is the logic of including Yuvraj, Jedeja. Pathan , Chawla, in the team when they are in terrible form. Yuvraj is the worst - he does not even dive to save the boundries- we have seen this in IPL also.what a shame!regarding technique for handling short balls - if you dont learn from the past experience- either you are stupid or plain arrogant

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 6:28 GMT)

I dont know why the hell is Dhoni is eager to play Ravindra Jadeja when he is not capable . He didnt fieldd well , dropped important catch, in bowling too he took hits . Also when he came to bat he was just taking singles when the run rate was over 15 and when harbhajan was out , jadeja was still giving strike to nehra and zaheer when he had to take responsibility . Also in the recent squad announced by BCCi Robin Uthappa is not included and why do all senior players need rest,not one of them has scored 50 in T20 world cup . Come on u r degrading the team's performance

Posted by scc4cricket on (May 10, 2010, 6:27 GMT)

All the mistakes of Dhoni. If ur batting pairs not doing well y dont u change. Gambir and vijay's playing style is typical. Why dont you try pathan with gambir. then vijay can play at 1st down. See the big blunder dhoni did is send nehra before zaheer khan. Zaheer can rotate strike and play big shots also. Ok dosent matter becoz anyone of our players are in form expect harbajan. If win also this is going to happen in next game. So go home and sleep well....relax and we will start fresh in next WC...HEEEE...HEEEEEE....

Posted by U.A.1985 on (May 10, 2010, 6:25 GMT)

Lot of people here are saying that India's no.1 rank in tests is fair and that they can play the short ball well in tests....well i would like to point out that a heavy part of those test victories have been within India; where there are slow, low pitches and a bouncer takes an eternity to bounce....

Posted by Celtics24 on (May 10, 2010, 6:23 GMT)

Completely hypocritical of Dhoni. I'm sure I can recall him saying during the IPL that IPL matches were comparable to international matches in terms of standard, now he's gone completely the other way after India has been humiliated twice and their poor techniques have been exposed against the rising ball.

Better luck next tournament

Posted by ManishJadav on (May 10, 2010, 6:18 GMT)

then why do you select the team on basis of IPL performance!!!!!!!!

Posted by petrodeo on (May 10, 2010, 6:14 GMT)

We need radical changes!!!enough of yuvraj,jadeja,zaheer,nehra's...there is so much talent in IPL...why not pick them...selectors are bunch of conservative idiots..more money minded than winners...we need dilip back in the selection

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 6:11 GMT)

Two problems that we all know. Nothing new.

1. Conditions back home in India are not preparing batsmen for the challenges of playing overseas 2. Practiced against short-pitched deliveries in the net sessions is different than facing in match

What are we doing to get rid of this ? Absolutely nothing. Here is a way out. In IPL 4 there should be one franchise where we have 4 quality fast bolwers. A special fast pitch should be made ( importing clay from Perth/Brisben/Durban). All our elite players should be given match practice. Until we change the playing conditions, nothing will happen.

Posted by crickerala on (May 10, 2010, 6:11 GMT)

Dhony stop doing mistakes you are dasappointing crores of people , why Jadeja in T20 team is he your relative ,why are u miss using the toss advantage , try yousuf Pathan while there is field restrictions Allmost all his dissmisal catches are one or two yards from the boundary , trys to keep Indias hope alive GOOD LUCK

Posted by Prasad2thepoint on (May 10, 2010, 6:10 GMT)

Wonder why Dhoni's blunders go unnoticed / never get dissected. Quite a few in this match but for which India could have won: 1) Audacity to go with the same XI as previous match 2) Choosing to field despite winning toss 3) Fielding blunder in the form of dropped catch 4) Showing too much faith in Ravindra Jadeja - who is anyway a mediocre 5) Failure to take responsibility or assess the match situation by NOT coming in at No. 4 (Raina was batting and he sends 'out of form' Yuvraj at No. 4; also, the 'left-left' combination making it easy for opposition to maintain single line; For the records, Dhoni/Raina have always batted well together) 5) Bad judgment in terms of taking the unwanted second run - with a single, he would have been on strike

Posted by mardrol on (May 10, 2010, 6:06 GMT)

enuff from jadeja he has to be left out for a while . silly run-outs,dropped catches,poor bowling,mis-timed shots all the way. MSD i dunno y he chooses to bat second that is a huge question-mark. n yesterday he ran a meaningless second run while last year dint bother to give strike to yusuf pathan when 9 were required off 2 !!!

Posted by Sunshine108 on (May 10, 2010, 6:05 GMT)

It is time the seslectors realised that they should choose players from all over the country. Why is someone like Rayudu not given a chance? - because he is from Hyderabad and not the Hindi belt? This team really represents only half the country !!

Posted by JimmyDee on (May 10, 2010, 6:04 GMT)

Well boohoo Dhoni! This is what the IPL has done to cricket. It puts blinkers on the players and lulls them into believing they are the chosen ones in this format. It's like an abomination, a blasphemy has occured, if victory isn't achieved! Leave the excuses, the selectors, who should be in/out etc...out of the equation and face the fact that the side was beaten by a better prepared team on the day. Simple as that. Chris Gayle has every right to point out their vulnerability, why? He beat them, that's why.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 6:04 GMT)

This team is only concerned with earning money in IPL. India comes second for them. A player yusuf pathan is second string at best. One can see that he hasnt scored a single T20 half century in international games. his highest score is 33*. same goes for ravindra jadeja. It was the same dhoni and yusuf who could not lead india to victory last year against england and the same players failed yesterday. But they can give their hearts out for their IPL teams. We can easily see where their priorities are. Sadly Dhoni has a sky high ego and he will not realise it. If 2 world cups are not enough indicators i doubt what else can be.Even Sri Lanka scored 190+ against WI. Even Ian bishop said that WI bowlers are wayward and India can tackle them with better strategy. But these players are not ready to stick it out. And to be fair on such performances India does not deserve to go to semis irrespective of what happens in the matches to come.

Posted by rjrams on (May 10, 2010, 6:04 GMT)

For the sake of indian cricket, we must take some brave decisions. First of all they terminate players like yuvraj, who is always thinking about captaincy and not committed 100 % in the game, though he has the ability. And the government should scrap the IPL, since our players r keen to play IPL only for money, and nation is second to them. And it is the habit of every young indian player that, once their place is secured, they never c the ground too, instead they r looking upward and the collar of their jersy too. If u c players like hussey, though he is 36 he is diving to reach for a single and committed to every ball. but u know, how ravindra jadeja gave away his wicket in the match against australia. And Dhoni must stop backing players like Yusuf pathan, who scores a run in every match. He will get his 1000 th run in his 1000 th match. Morever he has the ability to play only good length ball towards long on. he don't know other things.And they should stop playing Srilanka more ofte

Posted by Niizz on (May 10, 2010, 6:02 GMT)

team india played very badly..they deserved to be out of tournament... and they need to practice more to compete in such kind of tournaments.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 6:02 GMT)

THe short pitched bowling was always going to be a problem even before the tournament started but all the players said was that it would not be a problem asthe west indian wickets would be slow and low. So far in the tournament spin has not played as big a rolee as expected teams with the quality spin attacks have not done well

Posted by teepeeme on (May 10, 2010, 6:02 GMT)

As an outsider I notice that in IPL with so many games the sides only have to win 50% to make the semi finals. It breeds a mentalty that losing today doesn't matter as there is always another game tomorrow. With 96 games next year the need to perform consistantly will be even less. When they compete in an International event then they are out before they realise that consistancy counts when you play with the big boys.

Posted by jezzricho on (May 10, 2010, 6:02 GMT)

Ok now this is something i have wanted to say for a while and from what i have heard this is from the rest of the world directed straight to the Indian fans.

You need to be ashamed of yourselves! You constantly sit on you high horse and rave about how great your team is and how poor other teams are, you talk about racism and how the umpires are against you, you think your players are far superior to other players around the world, you believe all cricket should be played in India or at the very least on Indian type wickets and you constantly live in the past.

Now if that isnt rude enough your team suffers a loss and you completely turn on your own players, you call for there heads, you blame the selections, you call for umpires to be sacked and you believe the opposition cheat!

Now why dont you get down of your high horse and congratulate the opposition when they defeat you, accept umpires decisions, trust your players and selection panel and realise that cricket is a GLOBAL game!

Posted by BarackBush on (May 10, 2010, 5:59 GMT)

Repeating the same mistakes in the very next match is just like making all indians fools. majority of indian cricket fans urged to choose batting if win the toss and to dropp useless jadeja, murali vijay and pathan. I dont think vinaykumar is better than any body. Zaheer khan has only name now.He can not cotrol his Fruitfull fulltoss and predictable short pitched balls .....what a shame!!!...

Posted by dilscoop on (May 10, 2010, 5:58 GMT)

Deja vu all over again - repeat of last game vs aus & repeat of last T20 WC performance - nothing changes in indian cricket - same old story. Expect for England's win over pakistan (batting 2nd) all teams batting first have won in Barbados - what does Dhoni do - win toss both times - elects to field and lose the match - all you have to do batting first in Barbados is to gut it out the first 10 overs (score 50 odd without losing too many wickets) and score 100 of the next 10 and 150 can be defended. That is what WI did and aus were 67/5 v SL and ended up 168/5 - dont forget NZ defended 133 batting first. Why play jadeja again ? should have been piyush for sure - does the team have a think tank? Read somewhere the sehwag was blessed with a second male child, this week - did he opt out of the tour to be present for the baby's birth or is he really injured - no reports regarding nature and extent of injury from BCCI or media. He looked fine in the entire IPL! Eng-aus final - AUS champs.

Posted by vinodnevgi on (May 10, 2010, 5:56 GMT)

Here is a great example why the Tendulkars & Dravids were so important… I wonder why every one forgets that batting or bowling is a skilled art and one needs to poses the technique & talent and more over master it all the time which shows in the performance.. The current Indian bunch is no doubt talented but are by no means masters at their respective trade … I wonder the result wouldn't be any different if this side plays ODIs or TEST matches in swinging conditions or bouncer wickets …

Posted by Sunshine108 on (May 10, 2010, 5:52 GMT)

Sunil Gavaskar faced the fastest bowling attacks the world has seen - without a helmet !! and was the world's leading runscorer for a long time. So, it is not that Indians cannot do it - the current crop seems to lack guts rather than skill. As gayle said it is a mental thing.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 5:50 GMT)

whowho!!!!...another loss 4 the "MOST OVERRATED TEAM IN THE WORLD" ...india is all but out!...this tournament just became more interesting!..go Ausies!!

Posted by anandby on (May 10, 2010, 5:46 GMT)

This is always expected when Indian selectors (bunch of Jokers - as rightly mentioned by Mohinder Amarnath) selected out of form Yuvraj and Ravinder Jadeja (who was banned from IPL and is not very exceptional player to be in the team ahead of many who played in IPL ans were in good form). Also our joker Dhoni remembers after winning the toss what happened two years ago but did not remember what happen two days back when Australia were put into bat. Also he has told that it is not fair to compare with IPL where there are 4 outside players(it is ture with his Chennai team) but doesn't he know that there are enough Indian players from other teams who are capable of getting into the team based on performance alone.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 5:44 GMT)

Dhoni is a CLEAR person....he says whatever in his mind STRAIGHT to the public....that's one of many reasons for him to be my FAVORITE player....however can't wish him all best in the next match as India will play against my Country.... ;D - (a fan from Sri Lanka) -

Posted by ramesh.k on (May 10, 2010, 5:41 GMT)

IPL hammered india WC T20 Cup. We knew it. Please don't silly reason. You guys happy, got huge money in IPL and leaving India's national pride at WestIndies. I don't know when IPL fans understand this. I hate IPL(curse of Indian Cricket)

Posted by praveen05 on (May 10, 2010, 5:41 GMT)

what a shame! a real mess! thanks to dhoni and his boys for putting us out of misery by losing today and not giving us the pain to watch this team put in more miserable performances in this tourney.will the selectors take the blame and resign for selecting such a pathetic team?why was players like nehra, gambhir,yousuf pathan, yuvraj, ravindra jadeja selected? they were all so much out of form even during the IPL. when india were champions in 2007, we always won most matches batting first and putting up a score to defend. whats wrong with dhoni? winning the toss twice and putting the oposition to bat in T20 game. its a cardinal sin. im very sure that class players like dravid, laxman, tendulkar would have fared far better than the present t20 team.its sad and hurting to see my indian team lose. T20 is a team game. but where is my indian team that i always cheer and support?

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 5:38 GMT)

Couple of weeks back the same Dhoni was praising IPL and suggested that IPL practice was better than anything else. looks like only the non-Indian took their practice properly. In one Interview to NDTV he rated his CSK win in IPL 3 as his biggest victory ahead of CB series in Australia and WCT20 win in 2007... that was shocking but that's the fact...

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 5:37 GMT)

Its high time we need to look beyond cricket...The sport had brought nothing for fans since 83 WC (with exception of 2007 t20 WC)... Moreover the players we worship are ridiculously highly paid for no show. And now, Dhoni is getting into the mould of typical Indian captain, coming up with excuses after every multi team tournament...Short ball is news now, are you shittin me... if you can't play short ball, rather play domestic cricket only...All of em had no idea, how to deal with fast short stuff...Gambhir was miserable in IPL, so the same he brought to WC...playing with three bowlers is idiotic, and adding to the misery was the fact that there were only 2 paceman in the team, Vinay Kumar would have struggled...so his selection even in the team was questionable...With 8 batters in the team, why would Dhoni wants to chase, only he can explain this...overall i see this misery is gonna continue untill, professional help is sought...So i will look for another sports to provide inspiration

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 5:37 GMT)

SEE THE FATE OF INDIAN CRICKET EVEN CHRIS GAYLE WHO IS LEADING ONE OF THE WORST TEST SIDE IN WORLD CRICKET(NO 8 RANKNG) IS SAYING INDIA IS VULNERABLE ...........HE HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY IT .IF U ADD THE TOTAL RUNS OF THIS WINDIES TEAM THEY WILL B NOWHERE NEAR TO OUR GOD SACHIN..........................SO CHRIS WE R VULNERABLE ONLY TO SHORT BALLS.U R LEADING A BUNCH OF VULNERABLE MEN.SO PLAEASE MIND UR OWN BUISSNESS U DONT HAVE RIGHT TO SAY WINDIES R BETTER IN BOUNCY TRACKS THAN INDIA U COMPARE THE PERFORMENCE OF URS TO OURS IN AUSTRALIA THEN U WILL KNOW THE ANSWER DUDE......SO INDIA IS MISSING SHEWAG BIG TIME.......

Posted by Anumoth on (May 10, 2010, 5:36 GMT)

Why is Jadeja playing at all???? He don't know to bowl in t20's--- went for 38 & 27 in 2 overs. And bats after Harbhajan....!!! And all this happens when Irfan Pathan and Robin Uthappa are not even in the team.... Dhoni supports him too much and it is ruining the balance of the team.

Posted by sunderravi on (May 10, 2010, 5:33 GMT)

ipl comparison unfair - yes how can you compare ipl and icc tournament. here in india we modify the pitches according to your wishes - slow and batting oriented to create the hoopla and hype around to show that BCCI players are great but once they go to international circuit they will be chickened out. one thing is sure BCCI will never opt to improve the pitch playing conditions even you loose white wash in another country ground. if they loose they will make the captain / coach the scapegoat.

Posted by crikbuff on (May 10, 2010, 5:32 GMT)

Stop gving excuses MSD. And you have to take the blame!Howcanyou play only 2 seamers on that pitch?Andwhat has Jadeja done to deserveaplacein the 15, leave alone playing 11? If ur blaming the batting, then why are you not coming at #3 urself? Admit that you got the team selection wrong! Admit that your tactics of playing so many batsmen was defensive! Admit that the IPL has left the players tired, fatigued, and with no time to rest or develop their skills, or prepare against short pitched bowling! Admit that your team has been partying till midnight before the matches! The bottom line is that the Indian team is over-rated and does not have the hunger or desire to win.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 5:28 GMT)

Dhoni! dont worry. you are the world best captain now and you are the lucky guy. you can do anything. beat SL with high runrate diff.pls do some changes vs SL. Good luck dhoni.

Posted by pradeepanonline on (May 10, 2010, 5:27 GMT)

Playing sub-standard bowlers in the slow-low wickets during the IPL is no indication of the stuff a batsman is made of. To make matters worse, the 3/4 domestic grade bowlers make life a hell even for the 1 good international bowler in the team.

Its the same old story of the 90's guys..India is a different team with Sachin-Dravid-VVS in the tests than these half baked Raina-Ghambir etc., if you can't pull or cut naturally, you are in soup.

& what is Dhoni doing taking only 3 bowlers in a crucial match.. call Jadeja a bowler ? how is he better than D.Karthick as a batsman !! baffling...

for Indian cricket's sake, I hope we don't win against SL in a much easier pitch at St.Lucia.

Posted by muski on (May 10, 2010, 5:24 GMT)

This was something that was not expected. Why do we keep on talking of the past when the awesome " foursome" saw India through in tests abroad on bouncy tracks. There has been innumerable wake-up calls for BCCI but no one has quite got up from the slumber. Every Indian batsmen will be wretchedly exposed to this " major" chink in their Armour unless the learn to play on such tracks in India. We may hold on to our Number 1 ranking in tests only if we play in the sub-continent. Coming back to the match, there are lot of passengers in the team like Jadeja who quite simply do not know the role in the team. Why waste an important position like that. Why not give chance to more deserving youngsters like Chawla or Mishra or Ohja.

Posted by Praveen.M on (May 10, 2010, 5:20 GMT)

Hi Dhoni, What is the point of having Vinay kumar in the team if your are not going to use him?? Where is the balance in the team, when you go into the match with only 3 bowlers??? That too with Zaheer Khan a proven match winner in tests but a very generous bowler as far as one dayers and T20 is concerned!!! You start the game on the back foot as you are mentally prepared to chase 20 to 30 runs extra or put the same 20 to 30 runs extra on the board when you bat first!!!. Also 20 overs is too short a game to have 8 batsmen in the team!!! Please go with one more bowler in the last game to atleast return from the world cup with our heads high by winning the game against the Lankans.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 5:20 GMT)

Thank you Kris Srikkanth... !! Wonderful team that you have selected again for the Zimbabwe tour... Why dont you include the entire TN players in the 'national' team... Already the major profit of Ravindra Jadeja is there for everyone to see... now its R. Ashwin's turn !! And adding to that... Murali Vijay is one of the most overrated opener to be in this side !..But what is most ridiculous is... on a fast bouncy pitch we are playing 4 spinners !!! Vinay Kumar just had a bench warming tour... Ravindra Jadeja dint play the IPL as well for disciplinary actions... and Murali vijay instead of Robin Uthappa... Maybe someone would even contemplate TELLING Srikkanth using LOUD SPEAKERS.. Nonsense shit !

Posted by rajiv11 on (May 10, 2010, 5:19 GMT)

what is happening this ....India team cannot beat west indies also.... freshly we came from IPL.....all players got enough match practice in form of IPL.....but still our players are performing worst....see the Australian team ...even David hussey ....white....joined the IPL in later part of the tournament but still d r performing like a gem ... so Wat India team is doing.... y d r not learning from other team....to be frank first of all we don't have good fast bowling attack....we cannot win the tournament with this type of fast bowling attack..we cannot blame anybody...we dunt have source of good fast bowling...we should hav bowlers like......Johnson(aus)...malinga (sri lanka)....nathan braken(aus)...these type of bowlers we need fast an accurate with line an length..an around 140+ speed ...so finally we r going to be knocked out of world t20...even we cant beat srilanka also with this type of attack even its difiicult for team india 2 score against the likes of malinga...

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 5:19 GMT)

Listen,if IPL was ASIA cup, then the whole india would say, due to ASIA cup,there was lack of preparation,lack of rest... Now when the money talked, no one is complaining about IPL. The reason to loosing is lack of motivaton,lack of willingness to win a match when a player sees how much money he can earn from an international match...

They need a break from cricket. IPL has taken all from them in 1.5 month. Even in football world cup they gets 1 month gap after finishing club football.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 5:19 GMT)

Yes IPl comparision may be unfair but the indian players seem to keep their best in the ipl n play all rubbish when it comes to international t20.compare the results over the last 2 years.Also last years weakness against short pitch bowling has once again resurfaced.To watch the team play the same way agian is a disastrous sight to any Indian fan.Just hope they win comprehensively agianst sri lanka.

Posted by chiboo on (May 10, 2010, 5:16 GMT)

Hello,

In this foreign ptiches, compare to this young plyers need to add some experinced plers like Dravid or Kaif , they are much better in this fast pitched and make doubles and single ,.. pls comment yours about my openion.

Taj

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 5:15 GMT)

Late realisation for Dhoni. IPL pitches were flat(except bangalore) and it was batsman favouring. That's why you don't use IPL as a parameter for selection into the Indian Team.

India were missing someone dependable like Sachin/Dravid/Sehwag.

Better luck next year!

Posted by raj_gy on (May 10, 2010, 5:12 GMT)

I have 2 submissions.. Firstly, Dhoni should have batted at number 3.. He is currently the best batsman in this current indian line up in the Caribbean and considering the "fear" of the shorter ball that the indian youngsters cant seem to dispel, the Captain should have been the man to show them how to deal with the shorter ball by applying himself. There was absolutely nothing in the Kensington Oval track, it was an excellent bating surface that required application. One needs to just observe the well timed innings played by Chris Gayle.. Secondly, for the 2nd year in a row, this tournament proves just how poor the standard in the IPL is.. The "IPL Millionaires" cant even make it into the top four of an international tournament.. This is further backed up by the failure of the "glamorous" IPL teams to qualify for the semi-finals of the champions league last year..............

Posted by Mr.Coach.Captain on (May 10, 2010, 5:12 GMT)

Dhoni - I told you not to take fielding first, whatever the reason may be. You don't listen to others do you?. This kind of 'bone head' thinking will not help the cause. Luck cannot always be with you, particularly outside the subcontinent. If the pitch conditions were unknown to you or if there was moisture, you could play slow until 6-7 overs. You have the batsman that can go for bit shots when there is no 'Big' target in 'sight'. Take the 'mental' conditions also into account that play bigger than 'pitch' conditions. Leave the 'chasing pressure' to the opponents, don't take it on your head!

Grow up my boy!. Chasing has never been our strength.

Posted by satyasainvs on (May 10, 2010, 5:07 GMT)

Sincere advise to Selection panel and BCCI, The same bunch of players in the last T20 world cup lost due to shorten balls and made excuse. But now in this world cup everyone knows that west indian pitches are bouncing one. They where is your preparation for shorten balls? even Dhoni mentioned that every team attacking us with short balls. Then where is your improvements to attack those balls? Our best batsman like Gambhir, yurraj, Dhoni, Yousuf all gave their wickets very cheaply. I don't think Indian team prepared well for those. Indian team thought that WI wickets now very slow like subcontinent so they prepared well with the spinners. Now that is our draw back. All teams attacking our spinners like playing rubber ball. Sorry Indian Team NO MORE EXCUSES for LOSS. Be prepare for next time. Don't disappoint us for upcoming ODI WORLD CUP.

Posted by manusharma on (May 10, 2010, 5:05 GMT)

Its high time to take responsibilities.... where is shrikant now who chose this bunch of jokers on the basis of IPL performance...why this Dhoni is so arrogant that despite the loss against the Aussies, he committed same mistakes in choosing field and picking the same playing eleven.... If vinay kumar had not to be played in all condition then why to waste hard earned taxpayers Indian money on such junk...if srikant has a piece of moral responsibility then he must resign from the selectors position and heal on the wounds of Indian cricket supporters.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 5:05 GMT)

hahaha india r only bullies in flat pitch is wht i heard on tv and i agree ...cos outside without the likes of tendulkar and dravid and sehwag india well as they just showed r a collapsin building .....no one to play the sheet anchor role and well no one playing with responsibility......and abt short balls omg omg omg we ain't ready for it lol and our bowlers r very weak in bowling it too giving only one short ball yesterday how lame so sad i say bring dravid back to the odi for the sheet anchor role and he could be pivotal really pivotal :)

Posted by satyasainvs on (May 10, 2010, 4:58 GMT)

Very Bad luck to Indian team that they are in a chop head situation to reach Semis. But you have to give credit to opponent they had shown lot of enthusiasm and spirit against us. Especially our best fast furious bowlers thrown bowls consistently their strongest area. Even Gayle y'day most of his runs scrored in Onside. Why don't bowl to him offside by attacking offside fielding? The catches were dropped y'day like school kids. And the strongest Indian batting lack of punch in their strokes. I feel Indian team not desire to go into the semis. We can see much tiring faces on the field. Better use this time to enjoy parties and adds. No fresh legs in our Indian bowling. How long still we base on experienced traditional bowling? The team selected for Zimbabwe should have choosen for this T20 world cup.

Posted by ashok16 on (May 10, 2010, 4:56 GMT)

about time India stopped travelling abroad for cricket. A Ranji half-season followed by an IPL half-season. That will be plenty of cricket & entertainment. The rest of the countries can do whatever they want. Who cares?

Posted by TenRajesh on (May 10, 2010, 4:55 GMT)

Dhoni's ego is getting bigger and bigger now....that is why he decided to go with the same eleven as if is nothing wrong with the team that lost to aus. A player like jadeja will never be a part of any international team especially after his performance against aus.Dhoni gambled with jadeja and it blew in his face. Vinay should have been played atleast it would have been a new combination. Batsman arent going to learn to play shortball all of sudden. Even selection of yusuf left much to be desired.

Posted by Abpash on (May 10, 2010, 4:54 GMT)

Dhoni should note down 1 thing whether it is ipl or Int T20 you gotta perform mate. Lame excuses what he is giving. Dhoni shoul accept that India is not worth T20 atleast for this year. YK Pathan should be promted up the order. BEST OF LUCK ASIAN TEAMS.

Posted by Messyinamess on (May 10, 2010, 4:53 GMT)

The Indians knew that they would be tested yet again by the short pitched balls but their reluctance to overcome their weakness is amusing!! This was the same Indian team who faced the same situation in the same competition a year before. Over the year they haven't evolved ever so slightly. The same team was brought back as if to avenge their defeat the last season, only to come a cropper this year as well. May be the way the Australians play, their strategies, level of commitment and their attitude could be a learning point for most teams. India definitely need to reconsider their plans, a more dynamic way of thinking is necessary and sticking to the existing team and plans is not the ideal way of selecting a good team. Rotation of players based on performance is a must in today's times. Only if the BCCI would change their ways.

Posted by dkmob85 on (May 10, 2010, 4:51 GMT)

First of all ..they shud have proper bowlers,,y keep jadeja he is of no use ..y win the toss & bowl on pressure matches,,,Dhoni is a gud cap but most of the players shud be changed,,I think betr drop vijay jadeja & yusuf ..an try out sum others...y cant they concentrate on short bowls,,,y cant they produce a gud fast bowler...now no use of talkin...sit an wait for other teams to lose....Dhoni please if u get a chance to read this...stand up & cum back strong,,,u can,,,,

Posted by Tanvirman on (May 10, 2010, 4:47 GMT)

MS Dhoni, explained his charged-up reaction after taking Chennai Super Kings into the IPL semi-finals '"Your franchise pays so much money for you, you should at least make the semi-finals. After that you can say it is a lottery." I suppose he more salary from the indian board to get charged up and take india to semifinal

Posted by Haryyi on (May 10, 2010, 4:42 GMT)

Why play the same team for every tournament ? why don't you give a chance to all those who excelled in IPL ? there is a good reason to play a new team every time for world T20. All teams , especially the Aussies, know the weakness and the style of batting of these regular indian batsmens and hence they set the trap accordingly. If you play a bunch of talented new guys like Tiwary , Vinay kumar , Uthappa, Pandey etc., the other teams will have no clue on how they wil bat and hence they will bowl only conventional deliveries. Remember , we played a brand new team in the 1st T20 world cup and that is how we won! I still do not know why they included piyush chawla and Vinay kumar in the team just to make them sit and watch the matches in the carribean

Posted by bolthaa on (May 10, 2010, 4:41 GMT)

Lets not be rude on players here. It is BCCI who s to blame here for not having bouncy wickets even for practise or Ranji games. Lets be honest. India will win T20 world cup again after say 6 years where the current bunch of players learn to play by playing more on bouncy foreign wickets just like our fab four of test team unless BCCI plans to upgrade its quality of wickets.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 4:40 GMT)

For India!!! its better for you if you stuck with IPL money only!!! play more n more IPL n be rich...you guys need not to play in international tournaments or matches....your mind are polluted with IPL money..you don't have any interest in International matches... so please stuck with that........

Posted by bolthaa on (May 10, 2010, 4:35 GMT)

Lets be just and fair. A team (not a player) if it cant play a particular form of delivary, it doesnt deserve to be a champion. India is ranked No1 in test cricket only where we have inarguably best batsmen (sachin, sehwag, Dravid, Laksman). India is ranked 6th or 7th in T20. So India has maintained that position in this T20 world cup. So why are we disappointed here. I am an Indian fan. But still I dont agree India playing in semis if they cant play even short deliveries (leave alone bouncers). Dhoni knows his limitations, thats y he is not frustrated. Similarly lets not be frustrated also.

Posted by TMS8137 on (May 10, 2010, 4:35 GMT)

The good thing about this sorry display from India is that now we know what kind of pitches the BCCI is going to prepare for the 50 over world cup in India. Poor gambhir seems woefully short on confidence a decent knock will help him regain some confidence for the tough test tours ahead.

Posted by SameenRana on (May 10, 2010, 4:34 GMT)

Natural bashing of the indian cricket team ,, I think they were the most overrated team in the world . Can not play bouncers ? YUVI , GOTI , RAINA, ETC .. They should only play in IPL (Indian Pesa League)

Posted by peedee4all on (May 10, 2010, 4:32 GMT)

I would say don,t lose hope india, i know its not easy but those who lose hope will eventually lose everything, so whatever never lose your hope. Still india can make to semi-finals. what all they need is to put their best and win over sri lanka by atleast 22 runs and hope westindies to loose and also west-indies loss margin wont event matter. Remember the teams that keep them united in such cicumstances are the best teams and we have seen in past that teams which win in such situations seems to do go on to win the torunament. Remeber india's first t20 world cup.

Posted by IPL_is_not_Cricket on (May 10, 2010, 4:32 GMT)

Expected, unsurprising result for Team which is focused on betting and Commercial event IPL. After experiencing the same result in last world cup, Team should have prepared for this World Cup for same tactics. Instead, they were busy in that Betting, Commercial & Non-Cricketing Event IPL selling 6s & 4s on lifeless pitches. Rubbish, Stupid, Non-Sense IPL is the single most reason for this result. There is not single thing which could point out that Team India was prepared for this Event.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 4:31 GMT)

i think that indians will complain to the icc about a lot of short ball being bowled ,if u dont know how to play that`s the only think that u could do. i think india would be betterof loosing vs srilanka and come home . we miss u gays.....

Posted by vinoth.m on (May 10, 2010, 4:30 GMT)

2 big mistakes in selection lead to trouble- 1st is Ravindra Jadeja, neither a batsman and nor a bowler, 2nd is Yousuf Pathan who is player only to be picked for domestic matches or indian pitches. Missed Sehwag on occasions like this wherein he might have given lonely performance in any of the two matches unlike others he is uncomparable.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 4:30 GMT)

i think that indians will complain to the icc about a lot of short ball being bowled ,if u dont know how to play that`s the only think that u could do. i think india would be betterof loosing vs srilanka and come home . we miss u gays.....

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 4:29 GMT)

i think that indians will complain to the icc about a lot of short ball being bowled ,if u dont know how to play that`s the only think that u could do. i think india would be betterof loosing vs srilanka and come home . we miss u gays.....

Posted by edward_smythe on (May 10, 2010, 4:29 GMT)

After watching both the Indian matches in Barbados, I am convinced that Ravindra is Gujarati (?) for "Can't Bat" and Jadeja is a family name bestowed upon people who "Cannot Bowl or Field"... He must be the least deserving player to represent an international team since the infamous "bits and pieces" experiment that England is finally getting over.

Posted by Viju100 on (May 10, 2010, 4:24 GMT)

Its total failure of team selection. I don't don't know about the sehwag's injury. But it was clear that Yuvraj is not completely fit and struggling to find the form. Virat Kohli or Robin Uttappa cud has been alternative in place of Yuvraj. Why did they left out Pragyan Ohja in spite being in good form. Finally jadeja how come they can find place for player with such attitude. everyone knows for what reason he was left out of IPL3. Though I am supporter of team India, I don't like any team with least dedication on the field winning the trophy.

Posted by Vallam on (May 10, 2010, 4:15 GMT)

Everyone have to discount Lalit Modi factor / contribution to Indian team success when they are playing outside India. Plus those motivating factors like Shipa Shetty & other were missing in the back ground. Had we sent those bunch- Mr.Yuvraj Sigh would have batted like King.

Let us accept & learn to live with this just average cricketers and treat them like the Hockey players in terms of salary, etc- then you will see these jokers putting in hard work to earn their living.

If we are really interested in develping cricket at India, We Indians should stop watching cricket & switch off our TV- when advertisements with these jokers appear

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 4:15 GMT)

As down_under mentions, why pick Jadeja ? He doesnt bat well, his bowling was pathetic to say the least in this tournament. But more than batting, India has to blame their bowling at first for this loss. Not a single short ball was bowled by any of the Indian bowler. The main paceman, Zaheer Khan dint seem to bother the batsmen at all. WI were playing him with ease.

Posted by ThePieChucker on (May 10, 2010, 4:13 GMT)

@emmwill India are No. 1 in Tests and although they are not yet a clear-cut No. 1 like Australia was until recently, they are currently first among equals and deserve the ranking. The Indian Test team can certainly play fast short-pitched bowling; Tendulkar, Dravid, and Laxman are among the finest players of fast bowling in the world. Furthermore, Tests permit batsmen to leave or defend against tricky short deliveries, unlike in T20, where the batsmen must attack. However, the Indian T20 side is vastly different, in particular the batting line up. It is this younger generation of players, such as Raina and Y. Pathan, who are vulnerable to the short ball. Until and unless these players develop the ability to handle the short ball and complement the players in the side who can play the short ball, such as Dhoni and Sehwag, you are correct, India will continue to get bounced out in the World T20. However, the Test side has no such weakness and is deservedly No. 1.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 4:13 GMT)

I think they have no solid technique to back them when different bowling comes in action.. Everytime slog and its of no use.. They haven't learned from IPL... Technique can get you more run then every time slog.. (Tendulkar)

Posted by BapiDas on (May 10, 2010, 4:12 GMT)

Cricket is played more in the minds and clearly the Indians were NOT THINKING on their feet! This can not be achieved through any number of Net practice sessions, it has to come from within! Hope they learn and learn quick.

Posted by Joby_George on (May 10, 2010, 4:11 GMT)

India Lost the game when they decided to bowl first after winning the toss. It has been proved in many years that indias are not good in chasing in cruicial matches. in 2007 we won all the matches that we batted first. We lost chasing to new zealand in 2007, the only match we chased. In 2007 india won world cup T20 because there was no IPL. In 2008 IPL started and we lhad an early exit, for the sake of international cricket, please move the fixture of IPL from next year, let it be played after T20 world cup each year. Remember we lost sewagh in both T20 world cups because of IPL.Lets put cricket ahead of business by re-scheduling IPL according to T20 world cup.

Posted by nashdwaj on (May 10, 2010, 4:09 GMT)

they just did not have to stomach to scrape it out. I am sure if gambhir who lasted for 2 days in NZ to save a test match, knows how to eek it out and score even in T20. i just did not see the intensity that is required to stand up and get counted at this level. everybody was like a large python who had a large meal (IPL) and thinking of ways to digest (spend money). Barbados was like a nice vacation. Shame on them as they sing the national anthem and wear the national colors. Also team selection was idiotic for the second time in a row. Extremely negative when it came to selecting so many batsmen that cannot handle short ball.

Posted by DEV_ME on (May 10, 2010, 4:09 GMT)

IPL comparison with World T20 is unfair ?!?! Then why in the blazes were we playing IPL instead of preparing for the World Cup in West Indies. The venue was not a last minute surprise, it was known and preaprations could have been done adequately. No Mr. Dhoni, you are really running out excuses and statements. But then its not only you, Krish has to join you in taking the blame for the team selection. You say players aare short on International experience ? Dhoni, Raina, Yuvraj, Bhajji, Zaheer, Gambhir - all short on experience ? Ridiculous. Dont you think that for the kind of money which cricketers are earning in India, they really dont deliver on the field ? They are consistently making a mockery of the country's image, and by they, I mean all, offcials, players, sponsors. Everybody is bound to miss Dravid, Sachin, Saurav (yes, saurav!) becasue these are the guys who play with application and fire in belly, making a genuine attempt!

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 4:02 GMT)

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Posted by popcorn on (May 10, 2010, 3:55 GMT)

We are taught by good coaches early in our cricketing careers,that if we want to defend a bouncer, not play at it, DROP YOUR HANDS!! Watch how elegantlt rahul Dravid sways away from the bouncer and drops his hands. And yet, the so -called experienced Gauram Gambhir got out BOTH TIMES - against Australia AND against West Indies FENDING at the bouncer,getting his glove in the way. Gary Kirtsen should be sacked immediately.He is useless.

Posted by Looch on (May 10, 2010, 3:45 GMT)

Why has Dhoni persisted with fielding first in the last two games? It seems to me that his lack of tactical acumen and the ability to inspire his team has been the biggest factor those losses, apart from the Australians and the West Indians sides who played particularly well.

Posted by popcorn on (May 10, 2010, 3:45 GMT)

Gary Kirtsen has done NOTHING to correct the Indian batsmen's weakness against the short ball. This weakness has been exposed time and again by other teams,and humiliatingly by the Aussies and the Windies. Gary Kirtsen is an opener,has played many fast bowlers,but is useless as a coach. Add to that,he has roped in his buddy, Paddy Upton, as mental conditioning coach.What conditioning? Both are paid fat fees,are goody-goody to the ego -bloated Indian cricketers,and don't want to challenge them.Tom Moody challenged Yuvraj Singh when he was coach of Kings XI Punjab. Result? Yuvraj Singh sulked,underperformed.Greg Chappell who calls a spade a spade,ticked off Sourav Ganguly and many other cricketers. Result? He was sent off!! Greg Chappell is the Chief Coach at the Centre of Excellence at Brisbane.Shane Watson,now the best opening batsman in the world,credits his improved technique and mental toughness to the coaching he received from Greg Chappell. Indian cricketers need a tough Coach.

Posted by skyride on (May 10, 2010, 3:43 GMT)

These days all are getting lot of money from the IPL. They have decided play IPL and get the money to the pocket. No body is bothering about the international cricket these days always telling so many reasons on the lost. They want to become star in the IPL. We got very bored on these excuses. Look at Australians how they playing all the matches and they are all playing for country. If it goes like this, no one will watch cricket in India. Pls think about the fans, how they are spending their money to watch the match. Players are earning money, whoever watching losting money. Please do the game plan in the next to win atleast one match in the International cricket for this T20 world cup.

Posted by babusathish on (May 10, 2010, 3:40 GMT)

First of all the selection is wrong team should compulsory include Robin Uthappa and Irfan Pathan. Jadeja dint perform well against Australia , but i dont know why he again included in the team aginst WI? India cant able to find atleast one fast bowler who can bowl in mid 140s and 150s thats the main problem for long time and indian fast bowlers dint bowl even a single bouncer yesterday what's the reason for that? If Sachin had played surely his experience would made huge difference in the team's approach.

Posted by BillyBlue on (May 10, 2010, 3:35 GMT)

When will the Indian think tank stop being defensive? Bowler and bowlers only win games. Batters are dime a dozen. Here are the facts. Average runs conceded by parttimers(PT) vs fulltime(FT). WI: PT10.67-FT7.25=3.42 x 8 overs=27.36 unecessary runs Ind lost by 14 runs. Auz: PT12.58-FT7.58=5 x 8overs=40s unnecessary runs per over Ind lost by 49runs. Remember these numbers are taking into account 2 bad outings by Zaheer. Both Jadeja & Pathan have their place as all rounders and yet total batting contribution is only 22runs. Deduction: PT bowlers gave away too many runs & PT batters did not contribute. This analysis does not include catches spilled by these PT players which cost Ind over 100 runs. Will paste detailed analysis later. Conclusiion: ITS TIME TO GET FULL TIME SPECIALIST.

Posted by Zaheerahmed on (May 10, 2010, 3:26 GMT)

I think that it is time for BCCI to use its dollar driven authority at ICC to ban any bowling above chest high. It's not fair making mockery of players who plunder any attack on docile home tracks and are considered something next to God by pitching the ball short and threatening to cause physical damage. What would happen to sponsors who had advertised them as if they were Superman or Hulk?

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 3:23 GMT)

The credit to India's failure should be accredited to Dhoni and the team management in choosing Jadeja instead of Chawla or Kumar. The selectors should have also thought about sending Irfan Pathan as a replacement for Praveen Kumar. Irfan would have been a lot better bet in this situation. The shot selection was pathetic and they had been low on morale. Each player wanted the job left for the next batsmen. It would be right to say that Indian team has the worst bowling attack in the world. The way they have played in this tournament they do not deserve to even participate in the tournament leave alone the fact that they should be in Semis. Pull up your socks India before we plan our journey backwards. Team India and management should sit under Orient PSPO and think with a calm head. What you say Dhoni>>>>

Posted by mehul1978 on (May 10, 2010, 3:18 GMT)

Oh! Indians can't play short ball, Oh! how weak are they against pace bowlers...BIG "Nasser" DEAL!! Over the years, just like indian batsmen (except the big names) have struggled against short balls and bouncers, similarly the saffies, kangaroos, black caps, poms and carib players have struggled against spin bowling. I cant remember how many times the asian spinners have made them dance all over the pitch left to right and still not able to figure out how to read spin bowling.

Somehow all the non-asian teams are always against slow/spin/batting pitches/bowling and make it sound bad. On the other hand, when it's a fast/pacey/bouncy pitches in their own backyard, suddenly its marketed as the "ideal" cricket pitch!

Each team has their own strength and priorities to promote their side of cricket, therefore I believe it's unfair to criticize the indian players against short ball and bouncey deliveries. Also, as a spectator I wanna see an even contest between bat/ball not either-or!

Posted by sm1024 on (May 10, 2010, 3:14 GMT)

The short ball is the Achilles Heel of the current Indian batters. The coach had 10 months to address the problem. Not sure why suddenly Dhoni speaks of net sessions (presumably in Barbados). This is a strategic failure by Kirsten and Co. In the match against WI, only two batters were bounced out. Vijay was out to an outstanding catch. We can only say Gambhir and Yusuf got out to bouncers. Why could the others not score? Was the team selection right? Why did Raina bowl two length deliveries to Chris Gayle which were dispatched to the midwicket boundary? The coaching staff needs to look at these defeats academically and answer the questions or else the team will repeat these mistakes. Even Bangladesh will start thinking of bouncing India out (remember Sehwag and Gambhir getting out to the short ball in tests?). All the best for the next game.

Posted by deepakjm on (May 10, 2010, 3:03 GMT)

Same story different days.....I think its time to take some tough decisions like dropping Yuvraj for a series or two..........he is playing with no passion and another thing.....Indian players need to spend more time on nets than tweeting.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (May 10, 2010, 2:45 GMT)

Its simple Indian team does not know how to play Intl. T20. When india won in 2007 many teams were still figuring it out themselves...

Now the things have changed,Dhoni rightly pointed out the IPL is no substitute for Intl.cricket and perofrmance in IPL shouldn't matter much.

Thirdly,many players in 2007 were hungry,were not a permanent fixture in Indian team.........but now many have cemented their places and they don't care about T20 anymore.

More problem being............that there's still no replacement for Dravid,Sachin,Laxman in sight.

Posted by Semoli on (May 10, 2010, 2:43 GMT)

Solution : Improve quality of cricket in IPL by increasing the # foreign players, that way Indian players have to fight for a place in the IPL teams.

Posted by Dave2008 on (May 10, 2010, 2:41 GMT)

Anyone remembers Dhoni explaining his rare show of emotion during IPL (boxing himself on the jaw) stating that the IPL franchisees pay us so much money and we have to at least reach the semis.

May I ask you Mr. Dhoni, what does the country give you to play for it? Maybe not worth your salt to reach the semis, eh?

Posted by CricketCrazyIndian on (May 10, 2010, 2:41 GMT)

IPL comparison may be unfair but why to include vinay kumar in the squad when there is no faith on him. If Jadeja bats after Harbhajan, is Dhoni using Jadeja has one of his frontline bowler? What homework has India done after the last T20 worldcup as we exit early after other teams barraged us with bouncers?

Posted by spinkingKK on (May 10, 2010, 2:33 GMT)

India faultered in their team selection, both before and during the tournament. Why on earth do they need 8 batsmen in a T20 format? They won the inagural World cup because India was the only team which was packed with bowlers. What the team needs in T20 is bowlers. It is a batsmen's paradise and you don't need too many of them. Secondly, Uthappa was one main reason why India won the first world cup. He can attack any kind of bowling (short pitch, fast, spin alike). For some reason, he is missing from the squad. So, is Irfan Pathan and Ishant. Irfan can give the same 10 runs per over as Zaheer Khan. But, he is a lot better batsman. But these are the guys who were not picked by Srikanth. But, why on earth Dhoni thinks that he can get away with Jadeja when Piyush Chawla was there who was an unknown commodity for the West Indies? By the way, don't play T20 like you are going to be all-out. Windies were doing the same mistake too. They are lucky it was only India who were chasing.

Posted by midnightsunknights on (May 10, 2010, 2:29 GMT)

the problem is the selection is completely wrong! the fact that they are fatigued or playing short balls is not the question here. yes, against aus, with their packed fast-bowling attack, we struggled. but if we had played another specialist bowler instead of jadeja, then the 27 runs he gave in 2 overs would at max be 20 runs. and maybe that bolwer could have bowled is full quota instead of playign the part-timers. that is the problem here; we let them lose by only playing 3 specialist bowlers in a situations where 5 was needed!

players like irfan and robin needed to be picked, and they werent. but now, the initial team is not only the problem, but even the playing 11!! we still have a chance after the huge defeat of srilanka, but if we want to even hope for a chance of a semi-final berth, then really! this teams isnt likely to beat even zimbabwe with the combination that looks terrible on paper, and worse in the field!

Posted by lakx on (May 10, 2010, 2:28 GMT)

"conditions back home in India are not preparing batsmen for the challenges of playing overseas" - Veggie Indians struggle to eat overseas food that does not mean we should eat Beef, Pork and bread at home in India. Indians are short and are not suited for fast bowling, then why prepare fast pitches. India has couple of pitches which help fast bowlers and SA and AUS have won test matches there. Indians struggle only against pace bowling on fast and bouncy pitches. Indians play very well on most of the overseas pitches, like in Srilanka, Pakistan and even in WI which are not fast and bouncy. Every story has two sides to it, if Indians are spin & flat pitch bullies, some countries are just fast pitch bullies. If Indians lost on fast pitches then others lost on spin & flat pitches. If India has to change others should change as well. When other teams prepare pitches that suit the home team skill India should also do it. If India alone changes then we will always end up on the losing side.

Posted by Prakmca on (May 10, 2010, 2:25 GMT)

On first place, Dhoni and selectors have to think that how Jadeja is going to add value to the team... Simply we are wasting one slot.... he is not good in bowling or batting rather. In batting he is not even capable scoring run a ball...or rotate the strike which is very important in this form of cricket. Instead of playing him we can go for specialist bowler and batsman or some one like irfan pathan. Anybody can bowl few overs at the rate 12+ which Jadeja is doing now. for this we don't need to waste any slot.

Time to think and act. I am diehard fan of India, and I don't want India to loose in such a manner.

Posted by onlinegamer55 on (May 10, 2010, 2:24 GMT)

Gambhir has just proven that he isn't world class material. Unless he overcomes his problems against the short ball, he may also find himself being replaced by Rohit Sharma in the Indian test batting XI.

Posted by RaghuramanR on (May 10, 2010, 2:21 GMT)

I expect Manjrekar to insist that Dhoni was right and it was just that the players didnt rise to the 'occasion'. Many columnists had indeed written about the need to include extra paceman (instead of Ravindra Jadeja?). Manjrekar will continue to insist that Dhoni was right in including Jadeja. Just that Jadeja didnt perform ;)

Posted by Pacers on (May 10, 2010, 2:20 GMT)

Why don't we ever have any fast pitches so our players coud play and get trained. I never understood. We only have slow subcontinent pitches. We are tigers in India (not always though). But we suck in most of our overseas games. The quality of our bowlers also suck in an International game. Why do we keep players based on their past performance. Any player should be given 3 chances, if he cannot prove in 3 chances he deserves to be fired. Shewag, Yuvraj Singh.....If you can't play just get out. No automatic inclusion in the Indian team.... But it will never happen. So much of politics.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 2:04 GMT)

Vengsarkar expressed his concern over lack of fast and bouncy pitches back home, as the belters we have don't prepare our lads for foreign pitches. That was as soon as he became chairman of selection committee. Unfortunately bosses at BCCI have done nothing to improve the situation. So, it was only a matter of time when youngsters get exposed to this kind of bowling. The solution is to set up some training camps on foreign turf, say Australia once in a while for promising youngsters. With the kind of money at their disposal, it's well within feasibility limits for BCCI.

Posted by Jay_Sean on (May 10, 2010, 2:00 GMT)

Short Ball / Short Batsmen is a less reason for our failure, our bowling department is a epic failure and so as our batting line up, which is very disorganized and confused. First of all, we need to get rid of opening pair which is not working. Murali Vijay is novice and needs some more time to play on a International neutral venue like Windies .Instead, Dinesh Karthik should open with Ghambir.Dhoni being experienced and a good player of Short pitch balls, he should anchor our innings coming in at number 3 followed by Raina,Rohith and Yuvraj. Our batsmen are giving up there hands instead of being bold and facing the situation. No wonder even Sri Lankan bowlers like Malinga,Randiv,Ferando would do same with us on the bouncy track. Best batsmen should come top in order ahead of the inexperience players who are eating up the balls in a" T20 Game " . It's just 20 over game you can't spent time eating away balls. Look at strike rate of our openers they are not even scoring 5 per over.

Posted by rtom on (May 10, 2010, 1:57 GMT)

This indian team is a mess !!

Posted by NomDePlume on (May 10, 2010, 1:52 GMT)

India are not just being bounced out - they have no idea how to score off any well-targeted ball above chest-height. And on the Indian wickets they have played on, if the ball is above chest- height, it is so short that it is a easy put away. Also, it is ridiculous to see a short guy like Gambhir jumping feet in the air to keep a ball down. Why can't he practice getting under the short ball and doing a scoop/ramp shot. They also only have to face one bouncer an over. It is a mental thing - India are chasing - they don't have shots for the short ball and so they end up playing the wrong stroke under pressure and get out.

I am baffled about Dhoni's idea to bat 2nd. If they batted first, even if they had scored what they scored today, 155, with the spinners, they could have put a lot more pressure on WI chasing.

Finally, despite Dhoni's frustration, he may need to keep Jadeja for St. Lucia against SL. Bu Chawla should have played today.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 1:51 GMT)

If you play for IPL you get Millions, playing for India gets you nothing much! This is the only comparison!

Posted by Sri_chicago on (May 10, 2010, 1:39 GMT)

MS seems to be a man for excuses these days - a far cry from the MS we saw in the inaugural T20 WC in 2007. I think he should start with an inward look. What captaincy we see these days from the man is 'conservative' to say the least. The man who chose to send in Yusuf Pathan as opener in the 2007 final prefers to play his known (and expensive) part-time bowlers than give Vinay Kumar an outing. Well, then he should have had RP Singh picked in the side - who cares if RP was a failure for most of the IPL; Dhoni would still have had the confidence to pick him when PK got injured. Who cares if Vinay has been so successful over the past few seasons and indeed the IPL? The captain doesnt for sure. Some of Dhoni's ridiculous gaffes - playing Jadeja again (as a bowler or batsman? Harbhajan was sent in to bat before him), refusing to play Karthik (who is much better equipped to play the short ball than some of the other glorified chars) and not sending in Yuvraj at 3 - he likes the pace.

Posted by INDIANSTHECHAMPIONS on (May 10, 2010, 1:27 GMT)

The dhoni era is slowly crumbling as we all can see the other players are losing trust on him. As the time changes maybe he may even spill the worldcup2011 chance and say players are not adapting to big game pressures and that's what we see in dhoni's approach. As the time changes the second half of his career i see for dhoni is a failure by captain as well as a player. Shewag too maybe of disrespect towards him mights have made him sit him in home, who knows?

Posted by akasavani on (May 10, 2010, 1:19 GMT)

Just in case anyone out there thinks the Indian batsmen need any sympathy for their predicament, I'd like to throw out one name - Mohinder (Jimmy) Amarnath.

One of my favorite cricketers, Jimmy ran into a red hot West Indian pace attack (Garner, Marshall, Holding...) in the early 80s and was reduced to a wreck. He earned the nickname Amar"nought" for his ineptness in that series. With his career in jeopardy, Jimmy did what needed to be done and put in the hard hours. A couple of years later, an unsuspecting West Indies team ran into a hook-happy Amarnath who fearlessly hooked and pulled everything short that expectedly came his way. He went on to become one of the finest players of fast bowling India has ever produced.

Is there any reason the current crop of Indian batsmen cannot emulate Mohinder Amarnath?

Posted by Ignatiuscric on (May 10, 2010, 1:17 GMT)

Appreciated Dhoni fr ur comments on preparation n saying tht its "gud fr indian cricket" but I hav got only 2 questions fr u.. I am a big fan of urs wit ur captaincy n te way u lead te teams.. wat i expected frm y'day match was determination n application whch i think was completely lacking not only in tis game but also against australia te other day.. the body language during australin game (almost entire game) n gud part of w.indies game thr wasnt any determination felt to push hard or to get atleast 1 guy going frm 1 end while battin.. look at raina in te ipl whn short stuff was employed he took his time intially n thn later part whn same was bowled he used to play it ovr te keeper jus as sachin does.. it doesnt mean u hv to b comfortable, unless u start playin it thy re gonna cm at u.. i wud like to see more determination guys n i think i don hav to ask any other question if tis is in its plc.. go guys die tryin..

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 1:13 GMT)

that's sums up the story state of Indian superstars...

Posted by nafzak on (May 10, 2010, 1:02 GMT)

That has always been India's downfall, even in Test matches. It is why Brian Lara always called for Pacemen to be in his team against India, especially when playing in the WI.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 0:55 GMT)

Dont frustrated Dhoni...Better Luck next time...!!!

Posted by OldWiseOwl on (May 10, 2010, 0:42 GMT)

Good and true comments from Dhoni. Looks like it is mental thing after all. Hope they feel confident about short balls at the World Cup.

Posted by mpcobra on (May 10, 2010, 0:34 GMT)

To BCCI Please don't make IPL u r main aim. Look at info below and act before u loose all supporters and gain regional supporters who are happy with batsmen swinging merry against worlds best bowlers in batsmen friendly pitches where boundaries are brought closer to make a contest only btw hitting and big hitting not btw bat & Ball. which is Cricket . What we did in IPL is a joke hiding Reality when did india last win world cup? 2007,1982 We can never be world champs until we have 1)good indian pitches were there is pace (no room for swing or seam) 2)Genuine allrounder like kapil is still missing 3)Genuine pace baller atleast one( if not 2 for rotation) who is good in any conditions 4)Batters who can bat against pace attack.Not only short ball but controlled aggression like KP,Ricky 5)Think tank to choose a team depending on conditions but not depending on our own strengths and weakness Being richest cricketing nation we can have all these if we really look for right answers.

Posted by vedanthy2 on (May 10, 2010, 0:27 GMT)

Mr. Dhoni please wake up.Your team and you are overfed and the required thinking to play in the conditions available was zero.You played here in WC ODIs only in 2007.Stop crying for "seniors"We never heard Bob Simpson or Allan Border cry for those that went Packer's way.How long ou want Sachin in the team?Phenomena too have expiry date. Take a look around.Dirk Nannes till 2008 IPL no one Knew him outside Australia.He is now a match winner for Australia.And he is smiling all the time.He is 32.Husseys are 33 and 35 respectively.All these guys run fasterthan any of your young team.You scorned the Seniors-not needed.An attitude change is needed. Improve technique.and learn that every day is not Sunday and the skill to adapt must be honed.THINK>

Posted by dethmaShine on (May 10, 2010, 0:26 GMT)

Short-pitched balls? India as a team has never faced short-pitched balls with confidence and that is one reason, they ALWAYS fail.

Saying that the conditions at home are unfavourable is a poor excuse so I would recommend Dhoni and his team to play Cricket on Xbox and playstation which would be more meaningful, eh?

Learn from your mistakes and stop giving excuses. I'm not thrashing the team cause I know that there are good times and then there are bad. But when its bad, you have to face it and do better instead of giving lame excuses.

Fingers crossed for the semi-final slot.

Posted by needgreenpitches4bowlingallrounders on (May 10, 2010, 0:25 GMT)

i am really happy that short ball issue is being discussed in open. 2 indians are practicing short ball to hit rather then duck. 3 analyzing indian defeat this has been happening for ages. I appreciate rohits innings last game but i still think india would have been better if rohit did not click so huge. If the defeat would have been by 100 runs we would have had more analysis and more angles to look at. but keeping both these defeats in hindsight also defeats from last year WCt20. India should be looked up as short ball ducks waiting to see who is going to use those against them. At last we face this reality. 1) IPL was just a joke with pitches and conditions tailor made for indian batsmen 2)no reason to call anyone for Team india as allrounder. Every allrounder we have is just a batsmen who can spin a bit. 3)Pace but not seam bowlers win matches using bouncers and good yorkers. 4)170-180 in these conditions are unchasable until opposition has India like attack (no bouncer).

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 0:24 GMT)

The indian batsmen not having the technique to play bouncers is not a new issue, it has only been argued for several decades....why dosen't the BCCI force indian curators to prepare bouncier tracks. Everything else is just an excuse far as I'm concerned. Furthermore the indian bowlers need to strengthen up also to deliver 145km+. Its pitiful watching zaheer, nehra etc bowling 130km-138km, cant really flatten oppositions with that speed.

Posted by HarChu on (May 10, 2010, 0:20 GMT)

Dhoni is right, because there is rhyme or reason to the team selection. If IPL performances are the yardstick, where is Robin Uthappa, Saurabh Tiwary? What else does Pargyan Ojha need to prove to make the cut? What was the reason Ravindra Jadeja was selected? He has not even played the IPL, and fares low on the integrity scale by trying to switch teams. Krish Srikkanth never batted sensibly, always tried to be fanciful in stoke making and is now leading India into an abyss. He never performed in the WI, now the Indian team is following the suit. How could anyone expect help for spinners? Granted India has the Turbonator, who else has ever won the game by spinning opposition out of the game? It is sad reflection on the BCCI. May be it is time for the legends Tendulkar and Kumble to come back and save India's T20 face.

Posted by   on (May 10, 2010, 0:17 GMT)

India should keep practicing against short balls, they can destroy sri lanka in their match and qualify for the semis

Posted by Deenesh on (May 10, 2010, 0:16 GMT)

India dont deserve to make the semi's. The way they're playing, they wont do much better in the next tournament. But as the trend appears, India will likely retain thier spots in the ICC rankings after the media riddles them with bullets for a couple of weeks.

Posted by bally712 on (May 10, 2010, 0:01 GMT)

This just ain't good enough. For the last 20 years India (and its supporters) has had to put up with accusations that they could only win in India what with the dusty surfaces assiting the spinners and the featherbed pitches that allowed the batsmen to plonk their front foots down regardless of the pace of the bowlers.I was at Lords in 2009 when the Windies exploited Indias weakness against the short ball - something which England took advantage of 2 days later.Roll on less than a year later and the same thing is happening? Do our players not understand that cricket is a world game and to be considered the best in the world you have to be victorious in all conditions? The IPL has on reflection done some damage to our prospects due to the hectic schedule, however, surely the onus is on the players as professionals to work out a way to eradicate their issues with playing the short ball in their own time, after all they have had 11 months? Just shocking.

Posted by   on (May 9, 2010, 23:56 GMT)

Rohit Sharma should be punished! This ain't your IPL boy :P

Posted by   on (May 9, 2010, 23:56 GMT)

When will Team India & its Selectors learn?

* Over decades SPIN has been India's strength. Yet we play one specialist Spinner as Bhajji. Where is Pragyan Ojha or Piyush Chawla when it mattered most. In the bouncy pitches even the spinners were are doing extremely well..alas but India??

* Our Pacers (sans Nehra) are rudinmentary at 120-126 bracket when B'Desh Pacer is bowling 140+kmph which is a joke. Out guys want to just sustain so they can remain in the team. Who the hell cares for 100% effort?

* Jadeja was not even in the scene in IPL. People should demand BCCI to know if there is a conspiracy against Robin Uthappa and Ojha.

* I know Sachin is God! and he is Retired. But he can lead Mumbai and play T20 for "millions" in reward but he cant play for his country India. He was the top scorer in IPL3 (Orange Cap). Had he been there Australia wouln't havd got away. Dont forget with his presence every damn TEAM is SCARED of India. He has let us down and that's a FACT.

Posted by manibama on (May 9, 2010, 23:46 GMT)

Well i guess its a prove that IPL is nothing but a complete waste of time and resources and creating false hypes.....it was played in the best spirits only in its inaugral session when it had to counter ICL....Anyways dhoni is partially right and partially wrong b/c all the time during IPL indian commentators said that IPL is gonna be learning tool and great experience for the new comers but i guess the new talent has failed to deliver whoever came thru IPL....anyways with australis victory i guess india still feel they have slightest chance to qualify for semis but they are in more tough situ than pak... Anyways and i also think that they should have picked sachin instead murli vijay b/c sachin as proved himself both in IPL and internationally as well Good luck india for the upcomin tours and start playing cricket with pakistn :)

Posted by emmwill on (May 9, 2010, 23:45 GMT)

Hopeless Indians where fast bowling is concerned! Superb at home, but sorry abroad. How can you be #1 without the ability to play fast shot-pitched bowling? The BCCI needs to take a strategic look at this Achilles Heel and the team coaching staff needs to strategize accordingly. If this does not happen, then the Indian team would always be knocked out of global tournaments that are not held in the sub-continent.

Posted by Itchy on (May 9, 2010, 23:44 GMT)

Indian performances away from home have improved but generally in the longer forms of the game where you can get away with leaving deliveries that do not need to be played at. In T20 you have to score as many as you can off each ball, thus limiting your options for not playing at deliveries.

Posted by OnlyAmit on (May 9, 2010, 23:44 GMT)

We should bring back/pursuade Sachin, Dravid and Kumble for T20. These 3 would surely do much better than the current team we have. These 3 players have been fitter and shown the commitment and passion to play for the country unlike the rest who get injured more than playing for the country. I know this is a bit far fetched, but I admire the fab 4 (Ganguly included) for what they have given Indian cricket.

Posted by ian_ghose on (May 9, 2010, 23:39 GMT)

First comes denial, then the humiliation...I think we can safely say that team India has finished phase I and are not definitely in the IInd one. It's amazing how shamelessly and arrogantly they beat their chests when they defeated South Africa..only to come thudding down to terra firma and lie there moving spastically.... Its amazing how the IPL - the boon of India...has come back to be its bane...

Posted by   on (May 9, 2010, 23:29 GMT)

Pak and India both x-champions will be out of this world cup. It is only because they both don't have a very good record in West Indies, both sub continent teams are not good in handling short balls/bouncers. This is the reason that both have performed very poor in Super Eights

Posted by ARUN.K.D on (May 9, 2010, 23:22 GMT)

Indias chance to qualify for semi final..

What India needs to do to qualify for Semi Final?

With big loss against Australia in first super eight game their net run rate has also taken beating considerably and at presently their NRR is hovering at -1.58.

The equation for them is also not as easy as for the West Indies or Sri Lanka. Here is the scenario, if they bat first they must beat Sri Lanka by 20 runs or more margins and if they have to chase down the Sri Lankan total then they must chase down in 17.3 overs or less.

Not only that they have to also hope that West Indies loss their game against Australia to make them qualify for the semi final.

Posted by cooljack_143 on (May 9, 2010, 23:12 GMT)

if you cant play short balls then why don't your retire and give space to other players Mr.M.S...when you win the toss at least make sure you put your best Indian side to bat not just wait for your poor bowlers to go and give 3 sixes in succession..what a pity for the captaincy..where is coach Kirsten..not to be seen any where???? interesting..

Posted by seventhumpire on (May 9, 2010, 23:08 GMT)

I also wish to add that IPL is doing more harm than good for our players. Though we get to unearth new Indian talents, but it also gives the foreign players a lot of practice in playing in the subcontinent. So even the 'distinct' home advantage will disappear in a few years and God forbid in a few years if we still struggle with short pitched deliveries we could be losing both home and away matches. I would suggest that if they are planning to have the same format(4 foreign players per team) as now then it would be better if they could keep changing the venue from one country to another similar to the world cup that would benefit everyone including us as we can get used to playing in say Australia or England or anywhere else under different condition. Also atleast a couple of Indian stadiums must have fast, bouncy wicket similar to the ones in Perth so that Indian players can go there and practice pulling, hooking and cutting short pitched deliveries

Posted by rboy425 on (May 9, 2010, 23:06 GMT)

Start Paying tributes towardss indian team guys .

Posted by vamshi77 on (May 9, 2010, 23:06 GMT)

This is not something new that Indian batsman are week against short pitch bowling on the bouncy tracks. Time and again we have been seeing the results and next few days TV channels and Cricket columnists advocate for a change in Indian tracks from slow to hard and bouncy ones. But has changed over the years and nothing would change in the years to come. We only have Sachin, Dravid and Laxman who could face quality fast bowling on bouncy tracks and rest of them cant handle the short stuff. Its a known fact and we have to accept that. BCCI should change some of the tracks in India from flat to bouncy, and that would immensely help the younger generation to adapt to the situations when they tour abroad.

Posted by   on (May 9, 2010, 22:58 GMT)

Bad luck . It is not matter of playing shot ball or not. they have only not good time. nevertheless India is a good side.

Posted by knowledge_eater on (May 9, 2010, 22:57 GMT)

That is how Professional Captains (Dhoni & Gayle) should be talking. Just accept it, and move on. Get the experience .. play more bowlers like this in future, and in more pitches like this. Visit country where there is bouncy pitches. I don't think India will go to brinks soon, . I love playing pull shots hehe but not at this pace. But I wonder what happen to that over the keeper chip shot !! They could have tried that !! Gayle drown Aus. last year this year its India. Dhoni dropped the match after dropping him. Anyways who am I going to support now !! Aus. looks very dominating again, WI have few my fav. players SA have many of my fav. as well Eng. have good line up this time Lankans have Mahela .. still very hard pick I would pick WI Eng or SA just because they really need Big trophy at this moment to revive their hard cricket being played for these many years without Big trophy. Let's see.

Posted by seventhumpire on (May 9, 2010, 22:57 GMT)

I don't know for how many more years they will be giving this excuse! Knowing that this has been their weakness for the last 20 years or more they should have taken concrete steps. They should have prepared more tours to Australia, South Africa, England and the West Indies. Take the case Australia who were struggling to play spin in the 80s and 90s, have become reasonable players of spin because of the number of tours they have made to the subcontinent. The credit should go to Cricket Australia's proactiveness in preparing such tours. BCCI should take leaf out of CA's notebook. We should forget test rankings and look to improve our departments in this game. Everything else will follow.

Posted by SettingSun on (May 9, 2010, 22:46 GMT)

The much vaunted Indian batting geniuses fail again. Dhoni's captaincy once again is riddled with mistakes. And here come the excuses. Let's face it - if the pitch bounces slightly than your average earthworm, Indian batsmen start prodding at it like it's a minefield. Even Darren Sammy and his medium pace had them hopping around.

Posted by banu111 on (May 9, 2010, 22:42 GMT)

Dhoni said chennai super kings can beat any side in the world. India will not win another t20 world cup unless its held srilanka or india. After plundering so many runs on our tracks. we are making judgment about utappa or anybody who shined in IPL should be in t20 world cup team. But reality is on these kind bouncy tracks no Indian player is good. Well dhoni may again lift the next IPL and feel himself the champion. Australia have shown india their worth and even west indies to some extant. Good luck for india to come back to home.

Posted by   on (May 9, 2010, 22:41 GMT)

No matter what Dhoni says, India's batting against fairly decent bowling was abject. Given the focus and the amount of preparation time available over the last 10 months when this same team was found out against the Windies and England, one would have thought that Kirsten would have forced these "superstars" to sort their shortcomings against the short ball. It was embarrassing to see Gambhir, our recent world No 1 batsman, jump around the crease like a bunny against pretty par for the course quick bowling. Murali Vijay's technique has been found out and Raina and Rohit are still suspect against the short stuff. Pathan is barely worth a mention as he was poor against short bowling in the IPL so his lack of form here is hardly a surprise. This is extremely hard to admit being an Indian, but India never had it what it takes to succeed here. I think it's time to get back to the drawing board and get the basics right! Sigh, we haven't even talked about the bowlers yet. Jadeja you gotta go!

Posted by hattima on (May 9, 2010, 22:40 GMT)

I fail to understand why Rohit should be in hot water for just telling the truth to the umpire, BEFORE he was given out. That hardly seems like discent, especially when some of the English bowlers were allowed to argue with the umpire for obvious no and wide calls.

Posted by D.S.A on (May 9, 2010, 22:29 GMT)

Just like I thought...IPL form meant nothing for Murali Vijay. He's done nothing noteworthy and should stick to playing the longer format for his state and, of course, India. India lacked an intimidating batsman at the top like Virender Sehwag, which is no disrespect to Gambhir, but he is less formidable in the shorter format even though he's still a good player. If the selectors could, they'd bring back Dravid but they've played that card already. I still believe an player that played well domestically deserved a place at the top, rather than a player who played well in the IPL. Remember people, middle order batsmen CAN open the innings...Sehwag being the best example seeing as he was voted player of the year...again.

Posted by rayy44 on (May 9, 2010, 22:27 GMT)

M. Vijay >Good on Flat Chennai Pitch only Y. Pathan > All Brawn no Brains Z. Khan > Most Overrated Bowler. Shows lot of Emotion bowling in IPL vs Fellow Indians, But internationally he is coy. Gambhir > Always suspect with Short Ball Harbhajan > Let him concentrate on his bowling..the better. M.S. D. > Loves Jadeja.. Jadeja > See above..no idea why is in team ???

Posted by   on (May 9, 2010, 22:10 GMT)

Only problem is that the focus should be on improving onself playing for your country, rather then playing the medicore cricket that IPL offers.

Posted by   on (May 9, 2010, 22:09 GMT)

India's weaknesses have been cruelly exposed. What you need when facing a pace barrage is a cool head but there is no one in the batting order except Dhoni to supply that. Gavaskar dissected the problem when he pointed out how Gambhir left his bat hanging in the air when he tried to get out of the way of the short ball which got him out. Gambhir is a good player but he is a hothead and without his mentor Sehwag to guide him looks lost. Vijay is too raw. Sharma blows hot and cold. Yuvie has let the hype get to him and looks a pale shadow of the player he could have been but alas now perhaps never will be and maybe he knows it. Pathan is not an international class batsman. No one knows why Jadeja is in the team. The pace attack is out of form and Chawla should have been given a game especially after Jadeja went for 38 in 2 overs in the last game. The young Indian "stars" have been spoilt by the money flowing into the IPL and lack the discipline and temperament required.

Posted by __PK on (May 9, 2010, 22:08 GMT)

Don't worry about it, MSD. Before long, every game of importance will be played on the sub-continent, anyway.

Posted by troop_tm on (May 9, 2010, 22:02 GMT)

Dhoni is a cheat, trying to fool others, after winning the IPL his comments was this "we can beat any team in the world (talking about csk)" now he says don't compare IPL with international cricket. He is not deserved to be a captain and off course Just surviving beco'z of some class inning by sachin (recollect those 2 Benson hedges inning against Aussie, is is only b'coz of Sachin we won not dhoni), he is good for nothing....., i can say he is a lucky guy who is surviving bcoz of some good innings from others....

Posted by Lahori_Munde on (May 9, 2010, 21:57 GMT)

Why picke Jadeja? What was his role in the team? Bat at no. 10 and bowl his part time spin? He is neighter a frontline spinner nor a slogger, then why not give a chance to a regular bowler?

Dhoni+Kirsten and Indian think tank failed comprehensively..

Posted by   on (May 9, 2010, 21:53 GMT)

Again as i said in my last comment, Dhoni waon the test and again did dame mistake to decide to ball first.bbye.....

Posted by   on (May 9, 2010, 21:52 GMT)

When will they realise that Yousuf Pathan is an IPL wonder only. He can hit out the spinners out of the game as well as gentle medium pacers. He should be a compulsory inclusion in the game in subcontinent only.

Posted by BrianCharlesVivek on (May 9, 2010, 21:47 GMT)

Dhoni , dont worry u lucky fella. u ll beat sl and aus will beat WI and you ll go to semis. see how you managed to win the IPL after bollinger joined the squad. Similarly your luck will continue and you ll reach semis.

Posted by Venkeer on (May 9, 2010, 21:46 GMT)

Come one Mr Dhoni stop looking for excuses and try to be hard on guys who are only interested in landing with huge IPL auction amount. I think the IPL has everything to do with this. One example is Mr Shewag... who was perfectly fine while playing the IPL, when it comes to playing for the country they consider it an obligation.

I am ok with upsets and if they went down fighting... What I don't understand that they know that they are going to bounced but still cannot adjust, what kind of international cricketers are these bunch?

Posted by _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on (May 9, 2010, 21:44 GMT)

I never saw Ghambir as the #1 batsman in the world, the #1 RANKED and the #1 are can be 2 very very different things in my book... and if I was told that he saw himself as the #1 bat in the world I would be surprised. I don't think he was better than Sehwag, Tendulkar or a resurgent Dravid...and thats just how I rank him in the Ind team. He is a quality player yes but until more recently, he was untested and a bit protected.

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