September 13, 2012

LV= County Championship, Thursday September 13

4.50pm: Jon Culley at Derbyshire v Hampshire
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4.50pm: Jon Culley at Derbyshire v Hampshire

We could do with a booming announcer here. The news that Kent had been bowled out at Cardiff, leaving Glamorgan to score 61 to ensure Derbyshire's promotion, might have been greeted with greater excitement if the PA man here would remove the sock that is evidently covering his microphone.

Yorkshire seem to have given themselves a day plus about 11 overs to bowl out Essex at Chelmsford after declaring 387 in front, but Derbyshire will be champions if they win this match. To that end, they have Hampshire 117-4, which means the lead is 114. Liam Dawson was caught behind driving at a ball from Mark Turner outside off stump before James Vince popped up a return catch to David Wainwright. Bilal Shafayat has 34 off 112 balls.

4.40pm: Paul Edwards at Glamorgan v Kent

We’re nearly done here. Kent were bowled out for 280, leaving Glamorgan to get just 61 to win. Three wickets for Jim Allenby after tea and the 1175th and last wicket of Robert Croft’s first-class career (Charlie Shreck ended a list which began with Graham Thorpe in 1989) was enough to break Kent’s resistance. This game had threatened to last until the fourth day but the damage done by Kent’s collapse in the first innings could not be repaired by their relative fortitude in the second.

Croft was presented with a framed shirt listing his achievements on his departure from the field for the last time. There was a standing ovation, of course, and a booming announcement. Thankfully, all the accolades were deserved.

3.25pm: George Dobell at Essex v Yorkshire

Apologies for lack of updates from Chelmsford; busy days with news stories.

You haven’t missed too much, though. Yorkshire wobbled for a while but, through Azeem Rafiq and Anthony McGrath have steadied them with a patient stand of 94 in 36 overs. It means they lead by 340 with four sessions to spare. A declaration should be imminent.

Rafiq looks a tremendous cricketer. Quite apart from his off-spin - and he is one of very few English spinners who can bowl the doosra - he looks a tough, determined batsman. It was interesting to see him marking his guard even as the other players were leaving the playing area at tea: shades of Jonathan Trott, perhaps.

He was dropped once, though. On 33, with the score on 174-6, when he carved Reece Topley to point where Tom Craddock put some a simple chance.

The chances of them winning the Division Two title have receded somewhat, though. By claiming a second batting bonus point, Derbyshire have ensured they will top the table if they win their game against Hampshire. Kent, too, have at least ensured Glamorgan will have to bat again, though Yorkshire will not be too nervous just yet.

3.15pm: Paul Edwards at Glamorgan v Kent

We’ve taken an early tea here with 39 overs still to be bowled. The reason is that a sprinkler on the edge of the square has sprung a leak and the umpires decided to take the break early to allow repairs to be effected.

Meanwhile, Kent’s fine resistance has continued this afternoon. Powell was caught at slip by Allenby off Croft for 41, but that was Glamorgan’s only success. Jones is unbeaten on 64, his seventh fifty of the Championship season, and James Tredwell is on 19. Kent are 226 for six and the lead is a mere six runs. You would think Rob Key’s men need another 150 runs or so to make it interesting, very interesting.

3pm: Jon Culley at Derbyshire v Hampshire

Derbyshire are doing their part to set up what could be a gripping last-day decider in the race for the Division Two title, assuming Kent's remaining batsmen don't turn the match at Cardiff completely on its head.

They scraped a lead of three on the back of Ross Whiteley's unbeaten 57 and dismissed both Hampshire openers on 16 as Michael Carberry edged a ball from Tony Palladino that left him late and Jimmy Adams nibbled one down the leg side off Tim Groenewald, both pouched by wicketkeeper Tom Poynton.

A win now guarantees Derbyshire the title, although with Yorkshire building a substantial lead over Essex at Chelmsford they will probably need the win.

Hampshire's Bilal Shafayat and Liam Dawson are doing their best to dig in, although it may dawn on them soon that they have a Lord's final on Saturday and that an early departure might not be entirely without attractions. Derbyshire may hope so. Hampshire are 37-2.

2.15pm: Paul Edwards at Glamorgan v Kent

This could be cricinfo’s day for fascinating discussions. Following on from George’s colloquium with Darren Gough, I spent a proportion of the lunch break talking to Glamorgan’s chief executive Alan Hamer. He was most enlightening on the reasons for the county’s name change to Welsh Dragons and the reversion to simply Glamorgan. A piece will follow in due course, but it already seems a cautionary tale for those advocating wholesale changes in the English domestic game.

Meanwhile - and I know how very silly these words may sound in an hour or so – Kent (now there’s a catchy “brandname” for you) are making a fight of it at Cardiff. They have miles and miles ot go yet but Key’s men are 184 for five with Mike Powell on 40 and Geraint Jones on 44. The sixth-wicket partnership has yielded 88 runs and no wicket has fallen since lunch. Both men are playing well on a wicket which is giving the bowlers limited assistance. 56 overs bowled. All this is another illustration of the quality of the County Championship. Surely Kent can’t get out of this hole. They need to win this match for heaven’s sake. All the same……

12.45pm: Jon Culley at Derbyshire v Hampshire

Having secured a second batting point, Derbyshire have put the Division Two title in their own hands, in that a victory in this match will clinch the major prize irrespective of what happens to Yorkshire in Chelmsford. And given that they are 18 behind at lunch, being eight wickets down need not be a disadvantage, assuming that David Wainwright can do his stuff on a pitch expected to become increasingly spin-friendly.

It has been friendly already to spin in one sense. Michael Carberry, who walks up to the crease to bowl off-breaks so occasionally they had not been called on at all this season before today, took a wicket with his second ball when Tom Poynton was caught by Jimmy Adams at leg-slip.

Carberry has taken 14 first-class wickets in his career at an average of 63.64, which probably explains why he isn't thrown the ball more often.

Ross Whiteley, who will be hoping that this is a birthday to remember with special affection, is unbeaten on 55 at lunch. Wainwright, dropped on six, added only a single before he was caught at first slip off James Tomlinson.

12.15pm: Paul Edwards at Glamorgan v Kent

Very soon, all that will be at stake at Derby and Chelmsford is the destination of the second-division championship. John Glover has taken three wickets (Northeast, Nash and Stevens) in eight balls to leave Kent floundering towards defeat on 108 for five. Mike Powell and Geraint Jones are attempting to give a patina of respectability to matters but it’s surely a matter of time before we have a three-day finish here. Kent need 112 to make Glamorgan bat again. Robert Croft will be bowling soon and there’ll not be a dry eye or an unwaved daffodil in the house.

11.05am: Paul Edwards at Glamorgan v Kent

Morning from Cardiff, where a few good judges reckon that Glamorgan will complete their victory today and will thus finally end any doubts about who will be promoted to Division One. There’s also a bit of speculation as to how many wickets one Robert Croft will pick up on what may be his final day as a first-class cricketer. His career tally currently stands at 1,173.

The only slight incongruity about Croft’s appearance yesterday was his stylish sunglasses, and last evening he explained the two reasons why he wears them: the first is that he doesn’t like the batsmen to see his eyes; the second is that the glasses have a brownish tint and they therefore “make the pitch look browner”, thus making it appear more susceptible to spin. I merely pass these nuggets on.

Meanwhile Kent have moved on to 68 for two and still need 152 to make Glamorgan bat again. No great alarms this morning, though.

11am: Jon Culley at Derbyshire v Hampshire

Unless Kent somehow pull off a miracle in Cardiff -- and it would take one for them to beat Glamorgan from two wickets down and still 187 runs short of making their hosts bat again -- Derbyshire are already assured of promotion, whatever happens today. All that remains is for them to secure a couple more batting bonus points and win the game and they will be Division Two champions.

Their success has already prompted Michael Atherton, notorious in these parts for having once labelled Derby as "a satellite town for Nottingham" and not worthy of being home to a first-class county, to redress the balance, praising Derbyshire in his latest column in The Times for being "prepared to break out of this cycle of defeat and mediocrity". In doing so he risks inviting more derision and deserves credit for raising his head above the parapet.

Actually, though his choice of phrase might have been a tad unwise, the arguments he raised so contentiously were quite valid and indeed were acted on by Chris Grant, the chairman who saw that Derbyshire's perpetual reliance on a team of Kolpaks and other counties' cast-offs could not continue and now has a strong rump of home-grown talent in the side.

One of them, Ross Whiteley, is at the crease currently, alongside David Wainwright, the former Yorkshire spinner who will hope to prosper later today when Hampshire bat again.

Unfortunately, Derbyshire's plans to build a strong platform for him have suffered a significant setback with Usman Khawaja already out, without adding to his 71 overnight, caught behind by a diving Michael Bates after offering a poor shot to a wide ball from Sean Ervine, who has now seen Wainwright (on six) dropped by Bates off a top-edged pull. Derbyshire are 186-6, still 86 behind.

11am: George Dobell at Essex v Yorkshire

Morning from Chelmsford.

Bit delayed today as have had long chat with Darren Gough. A piece will follow in due course, but Essex supporters will be interested to hear that he believes the club are close to securing the services of a world-class overseas fast bowler for next season. He also had some interesting insights on the Kevin Pietersen situation.

There were only two singles in the first six overs of play this morning as Yorkshire look to stabilise after a sloppy start to their second innings last night. It will take a miracle to deny them promotion now.

10am: Alex Winter with the form guide

Yorkshire! Yorkshire! Yorkshire! They're getting closer and took a major stride towards promotion by bowling Essex out for 177 yesterday. George Dobell watched as they time their promotion push to perfection. A big lead means only a shocker with the bat today will give Essex even a sniff of getting back into the game.

Even if Essex can throw a spanner in the works, it might not matter for Yorkshire because Kent, the only team that can overhaul them, are being stuffed by Glamorgan. Robert Croft's swansong is going perfectly to script. He took his 51st five-wicket haul in first-class cricket yesterday as Kent totally fell apart after a good start with the bat. They lost 8 for 33. You don't gain promotion playing like that.

That collapse also mean good news for Derbyshire, who were trying to respond with the bat against Hampshire before rain ruined most the day in the East Midlands.

So it looks as if that's that, we're all done and dusted. A Yorkshire win would seal the title if Derbyshire don't win and at the bottom, Glamorgan are going to avoid the wooden spoon - that will go to either Leicestershire, if they fail to beat Gloucestershire, who would prop up the table if they lost.

In Division One there were more runs for Nick Compton, a century serving as a timely reminder to the England selectors, who have delayed naming the tour party to India until Tuesday. Who would be your pick at the top of the order?

Alex Winter is an editorial assistant at ESPNcricinfo

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  • stewart on September 14, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    Two more awards of the season:

    Best grizzled old pro - Anthony McGrath - 600 runs at 48 and 12 wickets at 33. Not bad for a guy who wasn't in the starting eleven at the start of the season.

    Best last wicket rearguard. Danny Briggs and Jimmy Adams v Kent. Held out for 20 overs to save the draw.

  • SnowCat on September 13, 2012, 22:11 GMT

    Thakor at Leicestershire looks a very good prospect. One to watch next season for sure.

  • Mathew on September 13, 2012, 17:32 GMT

    Well done Glamorgan and David Lloyd good win and I bet Lloyd was relieved when he got that first run.

  • Paul on September 13, 2012, 17:30 GMT

    Congratulations to Derbyshire on their well-earned promotion to the 1st Division, nobody gave them a chance at the start of the season, they may not have the most talented or star-studded squad but they have a brilliant team-spirit which has probably got them through the last few difficult weeks of the season.

    Would be nice to hear Mark Nicholas' views on it and whether he feels they still deserve their first-class status or not.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 16:33 GMT

    @GD

    Yeah sad news about Peter but a great servant to the club and one man that made such a big change at Somerset. Will be hard to follow but need some new ideas to help us over that line in any competition.

    Thanks for the many years service Peter. Hope you'll still be at the ground when ever you can.

  • George Dobell on September 13, 2012, 16:21 GMT

    Samuel and Graem: Sussex have not, as of today, spoken to R-HB and were not aware that he was leaving Surrey. Somerset, for several reasons, offer him a decent opportunity to start again. I'm 100% sure that talks are on-going between them, though there is a fair bit to resolve. There will not be a quick ending to this. Somerset also looking for a new director of cricket.

  • Samuel on September 13, 2012, 15:58 GMT

    @Matt C - I believe Harris is already on his way to Notts. Not sure another injury-prone seamer is what we need anyway, although someone of his class would be welcome if we could keep them fit.

  • Anonymous on September 13, 2012, 15:10 GMT

    As a Surrey fan I will be very disappointed to see RHB leave the Oval again. I'd hoped he could come back after time away from the game like Adam Hollioake did, spurred on by the terrible tragedy. Whatever happens though, I hope he can at some stage come to terms with things and fulfil his potential, and I wish him all the best wherever he ends up.

  • Graem on September 13, 2012, 14:53 GMT

    @Samuel Regarding RHB, a return to Sussex where he had happy times might not be out of the question. Regarding Kieswetter and the Test squad, the fact that the Lions will be out there after the second Test could mean that Bairstow would cover a Prior emergency until then.

  • Martin P on September 13, 2012, 14:38 GMT

    Still not quite over in Cardiff, as Paul says above 150 lead or so could make it interesting. I remember us winning a game against Essex a couple of years ago after following on so it can happen!

    Knowing our luck Derbyshire and Yorkshire will both win which would make it irrelevant anyway.

  • stewart on September 14, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    Two more awards of the season:

    Best grizzled old pro - Anthony McGrath - 600 runs at 48 and 12 wickets at 33. Not bad for a guy who wasn't in the starting eleven at the start of the season.

    Best last wicket rearguard. Danny Briggs and Jimmy Adams v Kent. Held out for 20 overs to save the draw.

  • SnowCat on September 13, 2012, 22:11 GMT

    Thakor at Leicestershire looks a very good prospect. One to watch next season for sure.

  • Mathew on September 13, 2012, 17:32 GMT

    Well done Glamorgan and David Lloyd good win and I bet Lloyd was relieved when he got that first run.

  • Paul on September 13, 2012, 17:30 GMT

    Congratulations to Derbyshire on their well-earned promotion to the 1st Division, nobody gave them a chance at the start of the season, they may not have the most talented or star-studded squad but they have a brilliant team-spirit which has probably got them through the last few difficult weeks of the season.

    Would be nice to hear Mark Nicholas' views on it and whether he feels they still deserve their first-class status or not.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 16:33 GMT

    @GD

    Yeah sad news about Peter but a great servant to the club and one man that made such a big change at Somerset. Will be hard to follow but need some new ideas to help us over that line in any competition.

    Thanks for the many years service Peter. Hope you'll still be at the ground when ever you can.

  • George Dobell on September 13, 2012, 16:21 GMT

    Samuel and Graem: Sussex have not, as of today, spoken to R-HB and were not aware that he was leaving Surrey. Somerset, for several reasons, offer him a decent opportunity to start again. I'm 100% sure that talks are on-going between them, though there is a fair bit to resolve. There will not be a quick ending to this. Somerset also looking for a new director of cricket.

  • Samuel on September 13, 2012, 15:58 GMT

    @Matt C - I believe Harris is already on his way to Notts. Not sure another injury-prone seamer is what we need anyway, although someone of his class would be welcome if we could keep them fit.

  • Anonymous on September 13, 2012, 15:10 GMT

    As a Surrey fan I will be very disappointed to see RHB leave the Oval again. I'd hoped he could come back after time away from the game like Adam Hollioake did, spurred on by the terrible tragedy. Whatever happens though, I hope he can at some stage come to terms with things and fulfil his potential, and I wish him all the best wherever he ends up.

  • Graem on September 13, 2012, 14:53 GMT

    @Samuel Regarding RHB, a return to Sussex where he had happy times might not be out of the question. Regarding Kieswetter and the Test squad, the fact that the Lions will be out there after the second Test could mean that Bairstow would cover a Prior emergency until then.

  • Martin P on September 13, 2012, 14:38 GMT

    Still not quite over in Cardiff, as Paul says above 150 lead or so could make it interesting. I remember us winning a game against Essex a couple of years ago after following on so it can happen!

    Knowing our luck Derbyshire and Yorkshire will both win which would make it irrelevant anyway.

  • Matt C on September 13, 2012, 14:27 GMT

    Whilst not averse to the idea of Somerset signing Hamilton-Brown, he wouldn't be top of my list. The player who I'd really like us to try and sign for next season is James Harris? He's not had the best of seasons but I still think he has a lot of promise, and should be an improvement on our current quick bowling ranks.

    However, if Rehman is available then he should be top priority based on the past few weeks!

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 14:27 GMT

    So with RHB leaving and somerset interested what is going to happen there Suppiah to leave? tresco to retire?

  • Samuel on September 13, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    In fact (sorry for the comment bombing) I'd probably put Barker in over Philander, seeing as he played more of the season. So a Warwickshire 7 & 8 for me.

    1)Chopra 2)Rogers (captain) 3)Compton 4)Hildreth 5)Prince 6)Read (WK) 7)Woakes 8)Barker 9)Meaker 10)Onions 11)Kerrigan

  • Barrick on September 13, 2012, 14:22 GMT

    @Big Fella - I wouldn't disagree with most of that side. From what I have seen, Mark Davies has bowled well, but hasn't taken quite the number of wickets he would have liked.

    Pettini has consistently scored well and, if you'll allow me to be parochial for a second, Gary Ballance should be in there too.

  • Samuel on September 13, 2012, 14:16 GMT

    The likes of Wright, Rehman, Clarke, Barker, Trego & Roland-Jones could all fit in nicely in place of others too. Easy to pick bowlers from this year though, not so easy to think of too many consistent batsmen.

  • Samuel on September 13, 2012, 14:13 GMT

    @Si - good question. Think my first division XI would look a bit like this:

    1) Chopra 2) Rogers 3) Compton 4) Hildreth 5) Prince 6) Read (WK) 7) Woakes 8) Philander 9) Meaker 10) Onions 11) Kerrigan

    Wouldn't make a bad Test side that!

  • Martin Hearnden on September 13, 2012, 14:12 GMT

    Anyone else missing Jarrod Kimber?

  • Martin Hearnden on September 13, 2012, 14:12 GMT

    Anyone else missing Jarrod Kimber?

  • Big Fella on September 13, 2012, 14:05 GMT

    Martin p - yes, indeed!

    Just to take my mind off the inevitable:

    My XI for Division 2 would be as follows:

    Madsen (Derbys) Cptn Adams (Hants) Lyth (Yorks) Northeast (Kent) Bairstow (Yorks) Allenby (Glam) Foster (Essex) W/K Coles (Kent) Paladino (Derbys) Groenewald (Derbys) Balcombe (Hants)

  • Samuel on September 13, 2012, 14:05 GMT

    Regarding Hamilton-Brown, it seems that whenever a player wants to move counties Somerset's name is thrown in the ring first. Not sure he's really what we need, although for his sake I hope he finds somewhere he can get his head right again. He'd certainly make our one-day line-up look formidable, if a touch one-note.

    @Justin - think Kieswetter might be on the the plane anyway if England feel the need to take another keeper. He might have gone ahead of Davies thanks to a pretty good domestic season and he's also scored runs for the Lions. Whether England will take another keeper with Bairstow in the squad I'm not sure, but I think they will; Bairstow has kept for the Lions but I don't think they want him keeping in Tests for some time yet, if ever.

  • Nick on September 13, 2012, 14:02 GMT

    Updates seem to be coming pretty slowly today. Haven't heard from Headingley for 4 hrs.

  • Martin P on September 13, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    @BigFella - your last sentence pretty much sums up life as a Kent supporter!

  • Big Fella on September 13, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    I can't agree with Rikki Clarke. A bit like Samit Patel, neither good enough as a batsmen or bowler at test level. England have never had success playing "bits and pieces" cricketers.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    Got to be over today now Worcs now 93 / 6 They must have given up.

  • Si on September 13, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    Talking of starting 11's...

    Div 1 + Div 2 Season XI anyone?

  • Si on September 13, 2012, 13:24 GMT

    I think I'd like to see: Cook, Chopra, Trott, Compton, Bell, Bairstow/ Taylor, Prior, Swann, Broad, Anderson, Finn.

    Chopra seems steady against spin and would be good in the slips. I think I'd favour Bairstow over Taylor because I think he could destroy bowling attacks and with Prior, Swann and Broad to come in think that could be awesome. Finn gets the nod because of his pace and I think batsmen like Kohli work on playing late and Finn's pace would undo them.

    In the squad I'd like to see Tredwell, because I think canny thinker is probably worth more than huge spinner of the ball in India. Onions as back up pace bowler - and perhaps Bresnan, but I like George Dobell's idea of Rikki Clarke, immense fielder, good with bat and ball.

  • Big Fella on September 13, 2012, 13:22 GMT

    @martin p

    For the last 3 seasons Key has scored the occasional high score but nothing in between. But you are probably right with there being no ready made successor. You are also right about the middle order and Billings / Bell-Brummond deserving their chance. At least they bat with no fear. Alex Blake hasn't come on as I would have wished this year. When he scored that ton the back end of last year I thought that was the break through, but he still has time on his side. Ben Harmison also has the talent. He always seems to get himself in and then out when he should be well set. As you can see - a mixture of huge frastration and a few glimmers of hope.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 13:05 GMT

    Keisy and bowling 2 innings 30 balls 22 runs 3 wickets S/R of 10.5

    Not bad

    Tounge secured in the cheek

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 12:59 GMT

    Well if you want a good spinner how about keisy?

    for his overs he has very good stats.

  • Barrick on September 13, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    I'm looking forward to a really good battle at Derby this afternoon. Given the scoring at Chelmsford so far, it's unlikely that Essex will make 300+, so Derbyshire will have to win, and can be fairly relaxed that if they gamble and fail, Kent aren't going to be able to make up the difference.

    You wouldn't expect the Hampshire batting to collapse in a heap, so there should be some good cricket ahead.

  • Samuel on September 13, 2012, 12:45 GMT

    @Barrick - up near the hospital then? Think I played a kwik cricket tournament up on Lansdown's ground when I was in primary school! Viv Richards use to cut the grass up there apparently...

    Morgan hasn't played a lot of first class cricket this year, and when he has it hasn't gone well - his average is something like 19. Compton is averaging nearly bang on 100. Enough said.

    @Justin - think my line-up would look something like this: 1)Cook 2)Chopra 3)Trott 4)KP 5)Bell 6)Bairstow 7)Prior 8)Broad 9)Swann 10)Anderson 11)Finn. Chopra for reasons I've already stated. If KP doesn't go on tour, I'd bring in Compton. I'd go in with the three seamers as I don't believe we have a second spinner that will actually trouble the Indians; Monty has never been effective against good players of spin & Tredwell, though underrated, is too similar to Swann to be in the same line-up. Jimmy & Broad bowled beautifully last winter & Finn found bounce 7 pace from Indian surfaces in the ODIs too.

  • Mathew on September 13, 2012, 12:40 GMT

    Made a typo it's meant to be if it was a dust bowl play Panesar if not then play Onions.

  • Mathew on September 13, 2012, 12:37 GMT

    Here's my starting 11 1. Cook 2. Compton 3. Trott 4. bell 5. Bairstow 6. Prior 7. Broad 8. Swann 9. Onions/Panesar but Panesar would bat 11 10. Anderson 11. Finn

    This team would show intent and belief as one batsman would have been dropped for a bowler which results in a more attcking team. With the idea that Broad and Swann could score runs if needed. The Panesar/ Onions selection would depend on the pitch if it was a dust bowl play Panesar if not then play Finn.

    This is the team I think they will select 1. Cook 2. Compton 3. Trott 4. Bell 5. Bairstow 6. Taylor/Patel 7. Prior 8. Broad 9. Swann 10. Anderson 11. Finn

  • Barrick on September 13, 2012, 12:37 GMT

    @Justin - And that would be why it won't happen. However, there has to be something of a trade-off given that not all players are identical. If I feel that Onions is more likely to get wickets than Broad, then I may accept his (much!) lower batting average on the grounds that we'd not need to score as many.

    11 would have to be between Onions and Finn, and the attack would be too similar were it Onions. If Finn keeps taking wickets whilst kicking the stumps over, it may change.

    I do think Broad needs prodding in the ribs somehow. For all the perception that Bresnan isn't quite up to Test level, he does have better Test batting and bowling averages than Broad, who does have the greater talent of the two.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 12:24 GMT

    @Barrick

    there is one huge differance between broad and Onions. Broad can bat and get good scores regulary.

    People are saying swap this for them but don't really comment on the side. Who would be peoples starting 11?

  • Barrick on September 13, 2012, 12:18 GMT

    @Samuel - I do live in Bath, a five minute walk away from Lansdown CC's ground. Having been born and brought up in York, there must be something Roman in my subconscious!

    I'm not sure why Morgan would come straight back into the Test side. How much first class cricket has he played this year? Test batsmen at 5 need to be as capable of batting for a day to repair 20-3 as they are at scoring quickly to capitalise on 320-3. I don't get the feeling that he can do the former.

    Finally, on the bowling, Graham Onions must recognise all this talk of having a fabulous season yet not getting international recognition - 62 wickets at under 14 each. Of course it wouldn't happen, but I'd be tempted to put him in instead of Broad.

  • Samuel on September 13, 2012, 12:18 GMT

    @Mathew - no I don't, although I did a bit when I was younger. Only ever played a couple of games though. Lovely little ground though!

    @Si - I am indeed. It's a gut feel due to when he scores runs over his stats - sort of like Fletcher did with Trescothick. Just feel he's got a head for Test cricket. The fact he doesn't drop catches doesn't hurt either mind!

    I agree with most of the above posters too; the Morgan central contract really irks me. As a limited overs player he's peerless (even with KP back I'd say he'd be our most valuable batsman) but he has done nothing to warrant a Test recall. I feel the selectors have panicked and feel the need for a stroke-maker if KP doesn't get selected. Morgan's problem is he has almost no defensive technique against seamers or spinners to speak of, unlike the big man. aheer, with new or old ball, will eat him alive and I wouldn't back him to survive in a match-saving situation against Ashwin & Ohja.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 12:16 GMT

    I thought Compo would come in at three but i thought in the 50 over cook and bell have opened and do work well with trott keeping his spot. TBH 2 - 4 is open between the 4 and depending on who your play could depict the order as all are sim but have slightly diffrent strengths. you could even include prior in that mould as well. then i would have the fairly all rounders of Bresnen (I like most dont), Swann and Broad. with Anderson being the main bowler with a possible second.

    Looking at it basicly that keeps 6 batsman, Taylor being the leading yougnster with a few chasing him, three all rounders who are capable in all depts. and jimmy with a space for what ever you need.

    What do you think?

    Don't be too hard on dearest bressney.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 12:12 GMT

    Cook, Bell, Trott, Compton, Prior, Taylor, Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Anderson

    That would be my England 10 with a spot for another batter, spinner or pace depending on what was needed. Most likly between Finn and Onion this year

  • Anonymous on September 13, 2012, 12:01 GMT

    @ Matthew

    Morgan is not a test player at max a pro 40 player. I think the selectors picked him for his range of shots. Trying to upset the bowlers but he has not got the longevity of the likes of cook and trott. He does not play defensive if needed he always wants to score which is suited to the shorter formats.

    Taylor agreed should have more time.

    @Nick C. Lunch time ehh we got our own Compo here.

  • Si on September 13, 2012, 12:00 GMT

    @Nick C - I agree that Morgan needs some work at Test level - but I think for the ECB he's in their thinking - the Central Contract would suggest that at least.

  • Mathew on September 13, 2012, 11:59 GMT

    Two minds alike Nick C who would you put in i'm undicided which option would be best an extra bowler in Panesar or Onions. Or an extra batsman in Taylor. The way they have picked over recent years I believe they will go with the batsman or play someone like Patel to do a bits and peices role but I don't think Patel should be picked.

  • Mathew on September 13, 2012, 11:55 GMT

    @ Si, I'm not sure about putting Morgan back in I would rather see Taylor or another bowler in the team, he is not a test match player in my eyes.

  • Nick C on September 13, 2012, 11:53 GMT

    Morgan is a failure at both first-class and test level. He should have never been anywhere near the Test side(not arguing the one day side) and until he proves himself at first-class level he should remain so.

  • Si on September 13, 2012, 11:49 GMT

    @Samuel - another Chopra fan... although, as a Bears fan - I'm not sure where that would leave us at the top of the order. Chopra has been a source of 1000+ runs for the last two seasons - no-one else comes close.

    Can Compton bring his form at 3 - to open? I think Trott could make the move as his style is very opener-esque and it would mean minimum distruption. Cook, Trott, Compton, Bell, Morgan, Bairstow, Prior, Swann, Broad, Anderson, Finn.

    And if Pietersen returns, then Bell drops to 5 and Morgan/Bairstow make way.

    For now I think Root needs to mature a bit - but he'll surely be there in the next 3 years.

  • Mathew on September 13, 2012, 11:47 GMT

    @ Samuel, Do you by any chance play for Corsham I know a few lads from Corsham and the surrounding area ?

  • Martin P on September 13, 2012, 11:29 GMT

    @bigFella - not sure I agree with you on Key, admittedly he's not had the best of seasons but can't see anyone who could replace him as captain at the moment. The no 3 position has been a weakness all season and I think we have too many players in the twilight of their career who are starting to fall away - Powell, Shreck, even Stevens. Never understood why Billings hasn't been given a go this year - hope he and Bell-Drummond get a good run in the side next season.

  • Nick C on September 13, 2012, 11:26 GMT

    His average currently stands at 99.6 with potentially one more innings to go. If he does play again he'll need to score 6* or 106 to average 100 for the season.

    Wonder if anyone in Somerset realised that when they declared....thought they'd let him have 6 more ;-)

    Either way I think we have hit the point of utter tosh if he's not selected.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 11:15 GMT

    Here we go.

    Wonder how many players are close that are NOT in the England set up.

    This season stats according to sky sports. P 12 innings 19 runs 1196] N/O 6 H/S 204 AVE 92 100 4 50 7

    Not including this match of course.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 11:03 GMT

    Well there seems to be a lot of sense in here recently. Maybe we should be the selectors.

    Nice to see you back again Samuel.

    Agreed, on all points give the youth plenty of time and experiance in lesser formats and lesser games ( i do mean that nicly honestly) and let the be calmer in the bigger games. Compo's 155 today is surely a must for the squad. His average this season is what around 90 - 100 per game? not sure though.

  • Samuel on September 13, 2012, 10:52 GMT

    @Barrick - you based in Bath then? I'm from the city, live just across the county line in Corsham though. We keep that quiet...

    Re: Joe Root. I know it's a completely different format but the way he handled himself on T20 Finals Day showed his inexperience if you ask me; he seemed a bit flustered and scrambled, not ready for international cricket. He'll play for England in the future certainly, but there is absolutely no need to rush him. Give him time. If opening is where Compton gets his chance then I'm for it, but I don't think there's any coincidence his explosion in form has come when he dropped down a spot. If he can somehow be accommodated in the middle order I'd be more comfortable. Chopra would be my pick to open; his stats aren't hugely eye-catching but he seems to make runs in crunch situations, either when conditions are tough or the Bears need them. Makes big scores too. I'd love to see his stats for Warks compared to his career too, willing to bet it's a few runs higher.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 10:49 GMT

    Well huge swing to somerset. 512 posted a big 300 lead can woc bat out? or will they try for a big score and try to win this. No matter what they are in for some tight bowling from Trego, Thomas and Kirby. Ohh and the wicket taker in Rehman COME ON ZUMMERZET.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 10:07 GMT

    Hi Big Fella,

    I know a little of Kent and understand your frustrations with so many players that should be able to perform better but have fallen several times. I wonder if there will be some restructuring this summer as what i have seen of your lot is the youth seem to only perform. Hoping next year they get a more productive role. Fingers crossed for you.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    @ Barrick

    Good to hear, glad the sun is with you as well, not too bad here in Birmingham.

    Agreed trott is comftable at three but it is an option and i feel both have the temprement to cope at any of the top 4 positions. Trott though has a lot more exp in internationals so would for me be the obvious choice with compo comming in at 3. Root agreed is still green and it is just experiance he lacks, so using him more often in not the top matches should be key. i still feel the england squad should(i hate to sate is in a bad way) the lesser international team look to use more youth so they do not panic in big matches if brought in.

    Using all three formats to bring the players should be more progressivly used like with Buttler, starting in the T20 will be in the 50 team soon and then possible test team. use the tools to help bring them in with time on there side and a lot less pressure. People like compo have been around for a while so these players SHOULD be able to cope.

  • Big Fella on September 13, 2012, 9:58 GMT

    As a Kent fan it just amazes me that every time we need to deliver in a pressure match, it all falls apart. Key should go as he hasn't scored runs consistently for years. There are some good youngsters coming through and at least Sam Northeast looks like he will finally make the grade.

  • Barrick on September 13, 2012, 9:56 GMT

    @Justin - Very well indeed. The sun is out in Bath, and Yorkshire have a decent chance of winning a pot and promotion before the end of tomorrow.

    On Compton, something wouldn't be right if, having played so well this year and with a place naturally available (rather than having to force him into an established side), he didn't get in. I wouldn't be too keen on moving Trott though, so he'd have to go in as an opener for me. I've seen nothing to suggest that he wouldn't cope with that though.

    To my mind, Root is not quite ready yet. I can't point to a specific part of his game, or temperament, and being out cheaply twice to Napier is nothing to do with it, but he has plenty of time and should not be rushed in, especially as there are Comptons about with even better claims currently.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 9:39 GMT

    @Si

    Good to hear. I like chopra as well seems to be a well balanced player and i like your idea. I do feel compo is better comming at 3 - 4 as he is such a flexable player. Can defend if we lost a quick wicket or can get runs quickly. He should be Somerset's next full captian.

    Was great to see buttler smash it like he does for the sabres. he has had 5 or 6 matches now for england and nothing. A big step up esp for a player that is in his second full season. Only really came into the team start of last year, was a youngster and only played bits and bobs before. So calm and controlled just hope he takes this through to the world cup now.

  • Si on September 13, 2012, 9:32 GMT

    @Justin - doing well thanks. As a Bears fan I'm hoping we polish off Notts today.

    Impressive outing for Somerset players - glad to see Buttler fire at International level. Also good to see Compton has kept his touch after being out for a few weeks. I know I've been banging the drum for Chopra as England opener... but could it be possible to promote Trott and bring in Compton at 3? Gives some flexibility as well because Trott, Compton and Bell could all open. Although, Chopra is still a good pair of hands.

  • Si on September 13, 2012, 9:32 GMT

    @Justin - doing well thanks. As a Bears fan I'm hoping we polish off Notts today.

    Impressive outing for Somerset players - glad to see Buttler fire at International level. Also good to see Compton has kept his touch after being out for a few weeks. I know I've been banging the drum for Chopra as England opener... but could it be possible to promote Trott and bring in Compton at 3? Gives some flexibility as well because Trott, Compton and Bell could all open. Although, Chopra is still a good pair of hands.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 9:18 GMT

    Well what a day / Night for Somerset players yesterday.

    Fantastic batting performance to reach 451 for 7 in our home match. Our two England players played a remarkable match. (not watched yet on my sky box waiting) 50 and 32 off 10. That has got to give them both huge confidence going forward now.

    Compo knocking on the England door Again will they keep it shut now?

    Hoping for a continuance into today.

    How is everyone?

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  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 9:18 GMT

    Well what a day / Night for Somerset players yesterday.

    Fantastic batting performance to reach 451 for 7 in our home match. Our two England players played a remarkable match. (not watched yet on my sky box waiting) 50 and 32 off 10. That has got to give them both huge confidence going forward now.

    Compo knocking on the England door Again will they keep it shut now?

    Hoping for a continuance into today.

    How is everyone?

  • Si on September 13, 2012, 9:32 GMT

    @Justin - doing well thanks. As a Bears fan I'm hoping we polish off Notts today.

    Impressive outing for Somerset players - glad to see Buttler fire at International level. Also good to see Compton has kept his touch after being out for a few weeks. I know I've been banging the drum for Chopra as England opener... but could it be possible to promote Trott and bring in Compton at 3? Gives some flexibility as well because Trott, Compton and Bell could all open. Although, Chopra is still a good pair of hands.

  • Si on September 13, 2012, 9:32 GMT

    @Justin - doing well thanks. As a Bears fan I'm hoping we polish off Notts today.

    Impressive outing for Somerset players - glad to see Buttler fire at International level. Also good to see Compton has kept his touch after being out for a few weeks. I know I've been banging the drum for Chopra as England opener... but could it be possible to promote Trott and bring in Compton at 3? Gives some flexibility as well because Trott, Compton and Bell could all open. Although, Chopra is still a good pair of hands.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 9:39 GMT

    @Si

    Good to hear. I like chopra as well seems to be a well balanced player and i like your idea. I do feel compo is better comming at 3 - 4 as he is such a flexable player. Can defend if we lost a quick wicket or can get runs quickly. He should be Somerset's next full captian.

    Was great to see buttler smash it like he does for the sabres. he has had 5 or 6 matches now for england and nothing. A big step up esp for a player that is in his second full season. Only really came into the team start of last year, was a youngster and only played bits and bobs before. So calm and controlled just hope he takes this through to the world cup now.

  • Barrick on September 13, 2012, 9:56 GMT

    @Justin - Very well indeed. The sun is out in Bath, and Yorkshire have a decent chance of winning a pot and promotion before the end of tomorrow.

    On Compton, something wouldn't be right if, having played so well this year and with a place naturally available (rather than having to force him into an established side), he didn't get in. I wouldn't be too keen on moving Trott though, so he'd have to go in as an opener for me. I've seen nothing to suggest that he wouldn't cope with that though.

    To my mind, Root is not quite ready yet. I can't point to a specific part of his game, or temperament, and being out cheaply twice to Napier is nothing to do with it, but he has plenty of time and should not be rushed in, especially as there are Comptons about with even better claims currently.

  • Big Fella on September 13, 2012, 9:58 GMT

    As a Kent fan it just amazes me that every time we need to deliver in a pressure match, it all falls apart. Key should go as he hasn't scored runs consistently for years. There are some good youngsters coming through and at least Sam Northeast looks like he will finally make the grade.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    @ Barrick

    Good to hear, glad the sun is with you as well, not too bad here in Birmingham.

    Agreed trott is comftable at three but it is an option and i feel both have the temprement to cope at any of the top 4 positions. Trott though has a lot more exp in internationals so would for me be the obvious choice with compo comming in at 3. Root agreed is still green and it is just experiance he lacks, so using him more often in not the top matches should be key. i still feel the england squad should(i hate to sate is in a bad way) the lesser international team look to use more youth so they do not panic in big matches if brought in.

    Using all three formats to bring the players should be more progressivly used like with Buttler, starting in the T20 will be in the 50 team soon and then possible test team. use the tools to help bring them in with time on there side and a lot less pressure. People like compo have been around for a while so these players SHOULD be able to cope.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 10:07 GMT

    Hi Big Fella,

    I know a little of Kent and understand your frustrations with so many players that should be able to perform better but have fallen several times. I wonder if there will be some restructuring this summer as what i have seen of your lot is the youth seem to only perform. Hoping next year they get a more productive role. Fingers crossed for you.

  • Justin on September 13, 2012, 10:49 GMT

    Well huge swing to somerset. 512 posted a big 300 lead can woc bat out? or will they try for a big score and try to win this. No matter what they are in for some tight bowling from Trego, Thomas and Kirby. Ohh and the wicket taker in Rehman COME ON ZUMMERZET.

  • Samuel on September 13, 2012, 10:52 GMT

    @Barrick - you based in Bath then? I'm from the city, live just across the county line in Corsham though. We keep that quiet...

    Re: Joe Root. I know it's a completely different format but the way he handled himself on T20 Finals Day showed his inexperience if you ask me; he seemed a bit flustered and scrambled, not ready for international cricket. He'll play for England in the future certainly, but there is absolutely no need to rush him. Give him time. If opening is where Compton gets his chance then I'm for it, but I don't think there's any coincidence his explosion in form has come when he dropped down a spot. If he can somehow be accommodated in the middle order I'd be more comfortable. Chopra would be my pick to open; his stats aren't hugely eye-catching but he seems to make runs in crunch situations, either when conditions are tough or the Bears need them. Makes big scores too. I'd love to see his stats for Warks compared to his career too, willing to bet it's a few runs higher.