England in India 2012/13 September 12, 2012

Pietersen future remains uncertain

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It speaks volumes about the state of transition in which the England team finds itself that there is so much uncertainty about the make-up of the Test squad to tour India.

After several years of continuity of selection and predictability, England find themselves at the start of a partial rebuilding operation. Tellingly, the England selectors put aside two days to pick the side and have delayed the announcement of the tour party until September 18.

It is unlikely that Kevin Pietersen will be included. Unlikely, but not impossible. Alastair Cook, England's new Test captain, is understandably ambitious and knows full well that his side's hopes of success in India are vastly reduced by omitting Pietersen from his side. For that reason, several meetings have been held with Pietersen over recent days as both sides seek a resolution to a problem that, with a bit of common sense and humility, should never have been allowed to reach this stage.

Had Pietersen apologised without caveat, he might have been selected. But as soon as he expressed his lingering resentment over the parody Twitter account, the spectre of more unrest within the dressing room was raised. England will not risk that. If Pietersen is to come back into the England fold, he must do so on the management's terms, not his.

Pietersen's future is now uncertain. Currently without a central contract, he knows he can, as a free agent, commit to the whole 2013 season of the IPL. But he also knows that by doing so he risks increasing the divide between him and England. If he plays the whole season, he will not be available for all the Tests against New Zealand at the start of next summer. Or, just as importantly, been seen to be fighting to win back his place in county cricket. In the meantime, he should be available for the Champions League Twenty20 and the Big Bash League.

He will also be without a county from the end of this month. While Surrey have expressed a desire to retain his services, they will be waiting to see whether he is given another central contract before committing. With Chris Tremlett, who was omitted from the central contract list, already now added to their wage bill, the addition of Pietersen would take Surrey perilously close to the salary cap.

There is a possibility - no more than that - that Pietersen will never make it back into the England team. Should Jonny Bairstow or Eoin Morgan, whose award of a central contact virtually assures him a place, seize their chance, or even look as if they are worthy of longer-term investment, there will be no room for Pietersen's return. The lines of communication remain open and the sense is of a thawing of relationships, but Pietersen has risked ending his international career with this episode. For a man who moved continents to pursue his dream, who worked hard at his game for more than 20 years, who made endless sacrifices and who should, right now, be at his peak, it seems an awful waste.

England have a difficult enough job selecting a team to win in India even without the Pietersen issue. Not since 1984-85 have they won a Test series there and to do so with a side in transition and against a foe anxious to avenge the whitewash in England in the summer of 2011, will prove desperately demanding.

For a start, none of England's back-up spin options are ideal. Monty Panesar remains a poor batsman and worse fielder; Samit Patel is not quite strong enough with bat and nowhere near potent enough with ball to be considered an allrounder and James Tredwell, for all his admirable qualities with bat, ball and in the field, has the misfortune to be an offspinner much like Graeme Swann. Doubts about Swann's elbow might convince the selectors to include Tredwell, but Panesar, for the potency of his bowling and the variation he offers, remains the likely candidate. Patel, with his ability to bat at No. 7, may also win inclusion as he did for Sri Lanka earlier this year.

There are no ideal options for the opening batsman position, either. While Jonathan Trott and Ian Bell, among others, could move up the order, such a tactic would be moving a problem rather than solving one. Few of the new options are perfect - Joe Root and Varun Chopra are a little green; Michael Carberry has, perhaps unfairly, a dubious reputation against spin and Nick Compton has scored his mountain of runs this season at No. 3.

Chopra might be considered to have an advantage thanks to his reliable slip catching and he scored heavily in Sri Lanka last winter but, on the basis that he has been opening for the Lions, Root is seen as the next in line. He is highly rated by Graham Thorpe, the lead batting coach for the ECB, and is said to have improved markedly against spin over the last 12 months. His offspin should not be relevant - he has claimed only eight first-class wickets in his career - but he has the talent and the time (he is only 21) to develop into the man who opens with Cook in the Ashes.

That would mean no place for Compton, Carberry, Chopra or James Taylor. It may well mean no place for Ravi Bopara, too, despite the fact that his bowling would provide a valuable option. But the likelihood that Bell will miss one Test on paternity leave and the need for some back-up for a green opening batsman might persuade the selectors to include a 17th man. If so, the prolific Compton will be hard to overlook. Craig Kieswetter, despite one poor ODI performance recently, may also have moved in front of Steve Davies as reserve wicketkeeper and is an improving batsman against spin, even if his keeping standing up remains a work in progress.

More replacements will be available as required from the England Lions squad. The Lions also tour India this winter, though the first two Tests of the main series will probably have been played before their arrival.

All that still leaves England with one substantial problem. Their slip catching has been poor over the last six months - it may well have cost them the series against South Africa and, as a consequence their No.1 Test ranking - and it is far from obvious who might be pressed into service in the cordon on this tour.

One solution might be to recall Rikki Clarke, who now offers pace and control with the ball, reliability with the bat and the best pair of hands in county cricket, in place of Tim Bresnan who, since his elbow operation, has struggled to recover his nip with the ball. Sadly Clarke, like Pietersen and Panesar, is not seen as quite the sort of fellow that would fit into the increasingly homogenized England dressing room. At some stage, though, if England keep losing, that narrow thinking may be challenged.

Possible squad Alastair Cook (capt), Joe Root, Jonathan Trott, Ian Bell, Jonny Bairstow, Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, Craig Kieswetter (wkt), Matt Prior (wkt), Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, James Anderson, Monty Panesar, Steven Finn, Graham Onions

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • bored_iam on September 14, 2012, 13:22 GMT

    Minus Pietersen, the only two ppl who seem capable of putting up a fight are Cook and Trott. Not quite sure they have the backup if these guys fail. Bairstow is a few innings old. Morgan hasn't lived up to his billing. And now, Strauss is gone too. As for the bowling line-up: in India: Anderson, Finn have to be the frontline seamers. Anderson-coz he's Eng's best- and Finn-coz he has pace & bounce AND form. Broad is not going to be a threat anywhere in the world outside an umbrella and he is eaily their weakest link. Panesar, Swann, Finn, Anderson-that should be their bowling lineup.

  • Garp on September 14, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    The hypocrisy is even evident in the fans I guess because the ECB has operated with it for years it has carried over to their fan base to some extent. People are still all over KP because of some text messages but not a word has been mentioned about his teammates creating a fake twitter account to solely make KP look bad and cause trouble. The main problem here is certain players have been made to believe that they are above the rest and the sport itself, Broad and Swann. So if the ECB wants to even somewhat come out of this looking fair and impartial they need to punish the 2 mentioned just as hard as they've been to KP. Cook is a smart man and knows England have no chance of winning anything without KP and those of you ignoring the last 8 years of his service and accomplishments are just playing right into the good ole boys club wishes.

  • brusselslion on September 14, 2012, 11:27 GMT

    This must be put down as a failure on the part of Flower (and Strauss?). Although football & cricket are obviously different sports with different complexities, can't a parallel be seen with a situation at Man.Utd circa 1999: Two strikers (Sheringham & Cole) reportedly couldn't stand each other; had fights at training, etc. Sir Alex's reaction? You don't have to like each other but I want u both in the team; leave your differences in the dressing room, behave like professionals and perform. If u can't do this, leave the club. Result? 30 odd goals between them. If Flower (and Cook) believe that KP, Swann, Anderson, etc. form part of England's best XI then a similar message should be conveyed. Forget the player's egos, give a clear message of intent and move on. Why make things more complex than they need to be?

  • JG2704 on September 14, 2012, 8:01 GMT

    @Gmale on (September 13 2012, 14:06 PM GMT) quite funny that you say "What is it you did" and then talk about being "Too subtle for me" - why not explain what you mean then?

  • csr11 on September 14, 2012, 7:10 GMT

    bang on @spizenfire.. its a miserable either way..

  • subbass on September 13, 2012, 14:26 GMT

    KP WILL tour India. You heard it here first.

  • SpizenFire on September 13, 2012, 14:20 GMT

    Either way, its miserable. Include KP and it will snub all the self proclaimed English bedfellows, drop him and it will snub all cricketing sense in the nation. Either way you lose. For long English cricket has been able to get away with hypocracy. But with media now so easily accessible, their views are challenged and hypocracy is exposed .... It's just cricket!!

  • Gmale on September 13, 2012, 14:06 GMT

    @JG2704 You don't get it, do you? What is you did was stating the obvious. My point was probably subtle for you.

  • on September 13, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    The writer talking about clarke and panesar also being simillar to KP in terms of bringin down the homogenised env in the england dressing room, is something to take note of.... I would stick my neck out here and say if KP is not in the england team, they can rest assured they will go empty handed from India..

    Also it is very strange, if you see that almost half of England's cricket team is made up of people from SA or Ireland... They should be used to these people playing for them now, cause without them they have nothing really...

    One thing is for sure, that India will and should dish out pitches to suit turn and bounce, as this is the time the England's so called no.1 players or i should say Ex no. 1 players show thier superior cricket skills and win a test match or a series in India..

  • on September 13, 2012, 13:04 GMT

    Cliques within a national team creating fake social media to get at team mates... that is something new. If it is true, it is something more despicable than an individual's super-ego and the consequences. I refused to believe that for a long time...now, I wonder! May be, I had been an ostrich. When I hear that even a powerful guy like Flower can be sidelined, by a rookie captain, and that too against the covert preferences of a nasty clique… things do not look rosy. As a long standing fan of English cricket (from Hammond- Hutton-Cowdry-Truman-Statham days), I feel quite distressed about it, though, in light of the forthcoming tour and as an ardent Indian fan I should perhaps "relish" it. It is becoming tougher & tougher to be a fan of good cricket from any part of the world. Miserable!

  • bored_iam on September 14, 2012, 13:22 GMT

    Minus Pietersen, the only two ppl who seem capable of putting up a fight are Cook and Trott. Not quite sure they have the backup if these guys fail. Bairstow is a few innings old. Morgan hasn't lived up to his billing. And now, Strauss is gone too. As for the bowling line-up: in India: Anderson, Finn have to be the frontline seamers. Anderson-coz he's Eng's best- and Finn-coz he has pace & bounce AND form. Broad is not going to be a threat anywhere in the world outside an umbrella and he is eaily their weakest link. Panesar, Swann, Finn, Anderson-that should be their bowling lineup.

  • Garp on September 14, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    The hypocrisy is even evident in the fans I guess because the ECB has operated with it for years it has carried over to their fan base to some extent. People are still all over KP because of some text messages but not a word has been mentioned about his teammates creating a fake twitter account to solely make KP look bad and cause trouble. The main problem here is certain players have been made to believe that they are above the rest and the sport itself, Broad and Swann. So if the ECB wants to even somewhat come out of this looking fair and impartial they need to punish the 2 mentioned just as hard as they've been to KP. Cook is a smart man and knows England have no chance of winning anything without KP and those of you ignoring the last 8 years of his service and accomplishments are just playing right into the good ole boys club wishes.

  • brusselslion on September 14, 2012, 11:27 GMT

    This must be put down as a failure on the part of Flower (and Strauss?). Although football & cricket are obviously different sports with different complexities, can't a parallel be seen with a situation at Man.Utd circa 1999: Two strikers (Sheringham & Cole) reportedly couldn't stand each other; had fights at training, etc. Sir Alex's reaction? You don't have to like each other but I want u both in the team; leave your differences in the dressing room, behave like professionals and perform. If u can't do this, leave the club. Result? 30 odd goals between them. If Flower (and Cook) believe that KP, Swann, Anderson, etc. form part of England's best XI then a similar message should be conveyed. Forget the player's egos, give a clear message of intent and move on. Why make things more complex than they need to be?

  • JG2704 on September 14, 2012, 8:01 GMT

    @Gmale on (September 13 2012, 14:06 PM GMT) quite funny that you say "What is it you did" and then talk about being "Too subtle for me" - why not explain what you mean then?

  • csr11 on September 14, 2012, 7:10 GMT

    bang on @spizenfire.. its a miserable either way..

  • subbass on September 13, 2012, 14:26 GMT

    KP WILL tour India. You heard it here first.

  • SpizenFire on September 13, 2012, 14:20 GMT

    Either way, its miserable. Include KP and it will snub all the self proclaimed English bedfellows, drop him and it will snub all cricketing sense in the nation. Either way you lose. For long English cricket has been able to get away with hypocracy. But with media now so easily accessible, their views are challenged and hypocracy is exposed .... It's just cricket!!

  • Gmale on September 13, 2012, 14:06 GMT

    @JG2704 You don't get it, do you? What is you did was stating the obvious. My point was probably subtle for you.

  • on September 13, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    The writer talking about clarke and panesar also being simillar to KP in terms of bringin down the homogenised env in the england dressing room, is something to take note of.... I would stick my neck out here and say if KP is not in the england team, they can rest assured they will go empty handed from India..

    Also it is very strange, if you see that almost half of England's cricket team is made up of people from SA or Ireland... They should be used to these people playing for them now, cause without them they have nothing really...

    One thing is for sure, that India will and should dish out pitches to suit turn and bounce, as this is the time the England's so called no.1 players or i should say Ex no. 1 players show thier superior cricket skills and win a test match or a series in India..

  • on September 13, 2012, 13:04 GMT

    Cliques within a national team creating fake social media to get at team mates... that is something new. If it is true, it is something more despicable than an individual's super-ego and the consequences. I refused to believe that for a long time...now, I wonder! May be, I had been an ostrich. When I hear that even a powerful guy like Flower can be sidelined, by a rookie captain, and that too against the covert preferences of a nasty clique… things do not look rosy. As a long standing fan of English cricket (from Hammond- Hutton-Cowdry-Truman-Statham days), I feel quite distressed about it, though, in light of the forthcoming tour and as an ardent Indian fan I should perhaps "relish" it. It is becoming tougher & tougher to be a fan of good cricket from any part of the world. Miserable!

  • McDonaldsupafly on September 13, 2012, 13:03 GMT

    i think they should pick the guy and forget about the past.the fact of the matter is they need him

  • cyberstudent on September 13, 2012, 12:52 GMT

    cricinfo giving too much space to KP, common england can live without him.

  • on September 13, 2012, 12:49 GMT

    What is the role of journalists in all this mess? They love to fish in troubled waters. If they can't find one; they will muddy up calm waters first, hoping that it may breed some fish. We have seen, Indian journalists trying to create a wedge between Sehwag & Dhoni, just because they follow different tactics and Viru expresses it. Gouti's dislike for keeping everything for the last few overs were also played up, by the same press corps.

  • baskar_guha on September 13, 2012, 12:26 GMT

    The top 3 batsmen that Indians currently fear the most, even on turning Indian tracks -- Amla, Gayle and Pietersen. England will not be helping themselves by dropping Pietersen for their tour of India.

  • on September 13, 2012, 12:25 GMT

    "Monty would do more with the ball than Patel with bat and ball combined." JG2704, you said it and I fully agree with you. Monty would do well in Indian & Sri Lankan conditions. But I don't know whether the powerful clique in the dressing room will let him. Monty is vulnerable to nasty needling, and some of us would have seen on the TV when the English players are waiting for their turn to bat. Every one knows, who is the ring leader of that gang and if Tredwell does consistently, that guy should be eased out. Hope, either Monty or Tredwell can indirectly achieve that cleansing. That guy had been handled with kid-gloves by the administration

  • sust2001 on September 13, 2012, 12:10 GMT

    @Chris_P: Yes, really! You will see the difference soon after T20 world-cup and Test-match against India. Please wait till that period of time. If you take out nucleus from any atomic structure, what will be the modified structure of atom? Your current 'Dream England Cricket Team' is exactly like a modified atomic structure, where the presence of nucleus (here KP) is always essential to maintain balance.

  • csr11 on September 13, 2012, 12:01 GMT

    @158notout, this is a forum here people share views.. and doubtlessly some of those are entertaining.. for example.. it would really be funny if england do end up picking up KP. England fans who are touting the holier than thou line now, game bigger than personality and all that, will find themselves looking a little silly

  • Kidderwolf on September 13, 2012, 11:45 GMT

    Lets have Davies is as reserve keeper to continue his development, long term I see him as a far better bet for keeper than Kieswietter, Kieswetter though has got the potential as a pure batsmen.

  • Hira1 on September 13, 2012, 10:44 GMT

    @Charlie101 :) you are right but when one is the enemy of oneself than how he can find friends somewhere else.....this doesn't mean I am not backing KP really want to see him playing and playing in all the formats for England

  • satish619chandar on September 13, 2012, 10:07 GMT

    It will be tough for England but i would rather say not as tough as it was in UAE. Though Ashwin and Ojha were very good against comparatively lower opponents, i wouldn't term them in same level as Ajmal and Rehman combo. And, the tracks wouldn't be as slow as it was in UAE. Turn and bouince should be on offer to test the visitors too the extreme. If it is the batsman's technique tested in the green tracks, the batsman's technique should be tested in spinning wickets too. Nothing wrong in that. ATB England. Whoever you pick!

  • PACERONE on September 13, 2012, 9:43 GMT

    This article makes it sound like all them problems stem from KP.The write however says that sadly Clarke like Panesar and Pietersen does not seem to be the type of fellow that would fit into the increasingly homogenized England dressing room.This suggests to me that there is a clique that runs that dressing room and if they do not like you they cause trouble.Maybe those are the ones that should be removes from the team.The talk of certain players not able to play spin would pertain to all of the English batsmen.KP is vulnerable against left arm spin and the others against all good spinners.India will prepare spinning wickets and open the bowling with one.Finally why is only one person been held accountable for not been bigger than the team or been a team player.The English bowlers are famous for staring down and even given grief to fielders.Good to see that some of the most famous ones dropped crucial easy catches against SA.

  • Charlie101 on September 13, 2012, 9:43 GMT

    @ Hira I guess we could now safely say Morkel "was " his friend as in KP shoes I would be fairly annoyed with Morkel for dropping him in it. I would like to be a fly on the wall in the dressing room of the Delhi Daredevils next year.

  • GARRRR on September 13, 2012, 9:09 GMT

    At he end of the day once you get out the pitch the bowler zones in and bowls his deliveries and the batsman zones in and plays the ball as its delivered and the toys are left in the pram......from all the batting we have seen this summer nick compton has been the man to do the business, but he's inexperienced at test level so bat him where he's comfortable, need to play 2 spinners in india and our 2 best are swann and panesar...we shouldn't be relying on panesars batting and he will be bowling most of the time so his fielding won't matter too much, purley for hitting the deck our 2 best bowlers are broad and finn (jimmys swing could be negated in indian condition?).....my XI cook, trott, compton, KP, bell, bairstow, prior, swann, broad, finn, panesar

  • JG2704 on September 13, 2012, 8:43 GMT

    Not sure who they'll go for in the squad. This may sound very controversial but I'd make Bell go out and play some cricket somewhere in SC and prove himself as he was really woeful in UAE. I do wonder whether Nick would be a better bet in India. I just feel he is mentally tougher. Also agree with sirvivfan. Monty was extremely harshly treated. After 2 great games in UAE , he has one bad game in SL and is dropped. I feel Monty would do more with the ball than Patel with bat and ball combined. I feel Patel is more of a batsmen who bowls a good few containing overs in the shorter forms and not such a wicket taking threat so see him as more a defensive option. Tredwell could be a good compromise as he can hold a bat and take some wickets. Also do we need Craig there as a reserve WK when Jonny is already out there? Please could you publish this time

  • JG2704 on September 13, 2012, 8:41 GMT

    @Meety - re "I think those comments whether frank or not, CANNOT add to team stability IF you were KP!" - You could have a point but I still say the key points are there was nothing secretive about the way Swann went about it and I believe he made those comms AFTER KP had lost the captaincy. Had he made those comms while KP was captain that would be a different matter. PS this was in response to the last KP article which closed after I could respond. Please could you publish this. There is nothing offensive or untrue here . If not please post to say what is wrong with the content

  • Hira1 on September 13, 2012, 8:36 GMT

    Raw_We as per the reports I read its M Morkel as he is KP friend and team mate in Delhi Daredevil team where as SA board denied that KP text Kallis / Steyn as was reported in the news papers earlier

  • 100_rabh on September 13, 2012, 7:46 GMT

    I see Johny Bairstow struglling big time against Indian Spinners. Dont spoil this excitinf batsman's career, bring back KP.

  • Charlie101 on September 13, 2012, 7:27 GMT

    Surely Jonny Bairstow will be the reserve wicket keeper and we will take an extra batsman ( KP or Carberry ).

  • ansh316 on September 13, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    India has not lost a home series in the last 8 years. Engaland Keep on Dreaming :)

  • Raw_We on September 13, 2012, 7:20 GMT

    one thing that hasnt come out in the open is..."who are the SA players that KP had msgd to?"

  • 158notout on September 13, 2012, 7:09 GMT

    Still laughing at the comments from the subcontinent who still dont get the whole point - no-one is bigger than the team and everyone must respect the team and fellow players. They do not have to get on and agree but they cannot undermine the team in the way KP has. It is as simple as that. Comments that England cannot win without KP are irrelevant and missing this point. In any case I don't think he will be that big a loss over there, when did KP suddenly become our best player of spin? He isn't, dont let a few hit n' giggle IPL games convince you otherwise.

    I can't see England beating India either with or without KP but I can see them sneaking a drawn series, it will all depend on how they play Ashwin. He is not a threatening bowler overseas but does pose problems at home. India did not look great in the 2nd Test against NZ so they should be wary of over confidence. Hang on, maybe thats it, the whole saga has been created to cause India to step off of the gas!!!

  • VivtheGreatest on September 13, 2012, 6:47 GMT

    Cmon get KP back somehow. Without him England doesnt stand any chance in India.

  • Stateside_Steve on September 13, 2012, 5:38 GMT

    Why do England need KP for the visiting Black Caps next summer. That is a series where you give chance to other England probables and get them ready in case of injury or retirement to other players. Heck prominent black caps wont be making the tour as they will be committed to IPL.

    Look, the first half of England summer is usually toured by a light weight followed by top flight team in the second half. (SL in early 2011 and India late 2011, WI in early 2012 and SA in late2012, NZ early 2013 and Australia late 2013). So England should accommodate KP like players playing in IPL during early summer and get them back with their undivided focus for the second half of summer when they top echelon teams. Problem solved.

  • on September 13, 2012, 5:35 GMT

    This is ridiculous.A world class player like K.P remains out of the team at the expense of a few youngsters as ECB remain firm on their stand that K.P hasn't got his priorities correct.If England think they can beat India without K.P they haven't got their priorities correct either.

  • Jack_Tka on September 13, 2012, 5:34 GMT

    Whatever team Eng sends to Ind, its going to be a close series. Eng team will struggle against Ind spinners, but so will the Ind team against Eng pace, whatever be the pitch type. Also, Ind team is currently under heavy transition in the TEST department. Eng team already have world class players in their batting line-up with the likes of Trott, Bell, Cook with newcomers like Bairstow. On the other hand Indian team's middle order has gone thorugh shuffling with the departure of Lax and Dravid. It would definitely be an exciting series.

  • rahul0486 on September 13, 2012, 5:32 GMT

    Why on earth has England started considering Bopara as a useful bowler..They made Bairstow a hero overnight when he scored 40 off 20 balls against India..but failed in the next 5 matches in India...it's strange how ECB sees one-time wonder as future of English cricket...though i liked the way Bairstow played against SA..but his success in India is highly doubtful...

  • Slater1 on September 13, 2012, 5:22 GMT

    England Team with or without KP is gonna get the hammering from their newly built rivals India. KP's presence won't make any difference to the outcome of this Series. Infact he would only succeed in breaking the Morale of this English side. Moreover Spinner 'Pragyan OJHA' in India is a left arm Spinner and the world knows that Kevin Pietersen CANNOT play left arm SPIN. Good luck England!!! Being an Aussie supporter I hope that England get whitewashed 4-0 by INDIA in Spin freiendly Indian conditions so that we have our heads up in the Ashes.

  • lankan_style on September 13, 2012, 5:14 GMT

    What English fans need to realize is that, without KP they will not do well! Its as simple as that.

  • on September 13, 2012, 4:57 GMT

    I would say do what the Sri Lankans did with respect o Aravinda De'Silva....Keep Pietersen Happy and in the Team in return KP wins England Matches- TEST OR ODIS.

  • veerakannadiga on September 13, 2012, 4:48 GMT

    Whatever the Team combination,I am confident that England are going to fight hard and I for one,feel England could actually win the Test series. India's Test team does not look unbeatable (on our soil),the void created by the retirement of Dravid,Kumble & Laxman is very hard to fill. We just managed to beat NZ in the 2nd test. That win did not look convincing.We had problems facing Southee & gang and even Patel had our batsman hopping. To be practical, India is not a good Test team (previously abroad, now even @ home). We are a good one day team and an OK T20 team. We Indians would love to see KP play. He is one of our favorite player.Hope ECB & KP patch up. GOD BLESS US ALL. AMEN.

  • on September 13, 2012, 4:37 GMT

    If Cook is keen to bring KP in, he doesn't seem to know what team spirit is and what wonders it can do. And vice versa.

  • bobagorof on September 13, 2012, 4:35 GMT

    So none of Panesar, Patel or Tredwell are ideal - and the suggestion is that they all go? Talk about hedging your bets! If Swann is selected, you must assume he is fit. Lingering doubts over his elbow might prompt having someone as cover, but that should be the case in case of loss of form anyway. So England should look at taking 3 spinners: a primary spinner (Swann), a second spinner (to add flexibility) and a third option as a backup. Panesar gives variety as the second spin option, so it then comes down to Patel or Tredwell - a batting all-rounder vs a bowling all-rounder. Unless, of course, you only plan on playing one spinner at a time, in which case it's Swann with Panesar as cover.

  • vipravara on September 13, 2012, 3:20 GMT

    The ECB is in a real tight corner to pick the touring team. Obviously, captain Cook is desperate for the inclusion of KP, without whom the English team might be without their batting backbone. If KP is NOT picked now, probably, he might NEVER play for England again. From the list of possible players to tour India, Morgan and Patel can't be expected to do well based on their performances against Pakistan (in gulf) & SL (in SL) respectively.

  • Patchmaster on September 13, 2012, 2:47 GMT

    As long as we remove Bopara and Patel from the team, we'll be ok. Lets give younger and better players a go, how on earth Patel keeps his place, have done absolutely zero to impress anyone, is amazing. Bopara isn't far behind him in the unimpressive stakes. Lets give Jonny Bairstow, Briggs, Hales, Taylor, etc etc a decent run.

  • peter56 on September 13, 2012, 2:21 GMT

    I think it was gnasher who said that in effect the dressing room could finish KP if they were to divulge the full extent of what was really going on. we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. Flower wanted the squad announced before the T20 team flew out. now he has been over ruled by whom? by Cook it seems. get Flower out of the country and the biggest stumbling block to KP touring India is at a stroke removed from the picture. Cooks apparent desperation to include KP at any cost ( and it will be at a very high cost) is staggering. he is in effect saying that KP is bigger than team england.We expect this coming from India but surely not from England. doubtless he will see it as a major coup on his part, anticipating the plaudits of the media what must the ego be making of all this :I got rid of Moores, I got rid of strauss and now I might just have made flowers position untenable.and now after all the chaos I caused they are taking me to India I feel more omnipotent than ever

  • getgopi on September 13, 2012, 2:16 GMT

    Wow, the ECB is really dragging this out...as usual.

  • Chris_P on September 13, 2012, 2:16 GMT

    @ sust2001 Really? You mean the first 130 years they fielded test teams were that? Interesting. @JG2704. Is it me or are the headlines misleading? I would think after all this, KP's future is very certain, he WON'T be a part of the English structure. And totally agree with you, all teams move on.

  • peter56 on September 13, 2012, 1:26 GMT

    this delay can mean only one thing, Cook wants KP for the India tests. With Flower out of the way, I would now bet my house that KP will be picked.I thought that England had a good chance if they went to India without KP because team spirit and unity is so much better without him,If cook is daft enough to pick him, (which now looks a foregone conclusion), he is going to destroy team morale and as a result England will under perform.KP's individual performance thrives on the turmoil he creates, but it adversely affects the vast majority of those players who are unfortunate enough to have to share a dressing room with him. If this is cooks idea of trying to stamp his authority on his team then, I think he is an idiot and he will end up doing exactly the opposite. You cannot impose Kp on a dressing room that does not want him on tour, but especially not on a tour of India, where KP is far bigger than team England, by including KP, Cook would be saying yes he is bigger than the team.

  • on September 13, 2012, 0:25 GMT

    Ring in the Bell, for change . Cook is there, Butler is there, Trott is there, Root is there. They will cook up something. More ammunition is there when one Trod-well. Moreguns can really fire. They may or not win in India. But they will all make a good team for the future; Indian experience, for them together as a team will go a long way.

  • on September 13, 2012, 0:20 GMT

    A country can and will move on, even if they don't have one great guy playing for them any more. Why keep on harping on one Pelt.stone.son.

  • mattblacknaki on September 13, 2012, 0:20 GMT

    This is a ridiculous situation with the ECB. Everyone knows that KP has a big ego. They loved it in 2005 when he attacked the Aussie bowlers and England won the Ashes. They loved it when the team desperately needed him. But once they got into the habit of winning, they want to dump him & start giving credit to Graham Swan and Jimmy Anderson.

    Why do you have to discredit KP so that others can get credit? Why not just give credit to all who deserve it?

    If KP is to be admonished for his texts etc. then why the double standards. How about reprimanding those behind the parody tweets and the ones who leaked the private discussion details?

    The ECB is responsible for England slipping from No1 ranking. It will be back to 1990s Engalnd with choppiong and changing the team and using 25 players in a series like they used to!

    Great news for India. we can now thump England at home and get sweet revange for last summer!

  • on September 13, 2012, 0:08 GMT

    If ECB is so egocentric, why cannot they make a decision and move on without beating around the bush? This is typical English style!!!

  • 2.14istherunrate on September 12, 2012, 23:30 GMT

    Those who claim to support England while wanting KP axed seem to me to be 5th columnists to the England cause. After all if you support England you must want england to win. yes??? well that is my logic anyway. Thus KP must play-QED. I liked Iain O'Brien's piece about-'ego' or not. I remeber Caddick was seen as aloof and unfriendly till someone had the bright idea of getting to know him-ahah was the result!! Big time. Caddick was actually a very warm friendlt charming guy. Has anyone really got to know KP? Strange places dressing rooms. And this business of Homogeneity in the dressing room-totally ludicrous. some people just ain't that athletic, or able to see things the same way as the'majority', who in any case do not either, but are led by some self appointed spokesman who says they do. If a team cannot accept a variety of viewpoints within it , then it is hardly a team but a bunch of yes men subject to one or two dominant characters.

  • on September 12, 2012, 23:23 GMT

    From this report it seems that KP will be in the England squad again because of the New captain Cook . I think that former Captain Strauss said one must go , its " KP or ME" , so out went Strauss. Now the ECB is struggling and want to win all matckes at any cost .

  • Hardy1 on September 12, 2012, 23:01 GMT

    This saga is just a joke. As Vaughan said dinner with a few senior players & Andy Flower would sort everything out. If you don't get on, fine, but are you really going to not pick the guy who scored a brilliant century in his last test and 2 centuries in his last 2 ODI matches? This England team reached the no.1 ranking largely thanks to its professionalism, and now as it falls apart it's clearly the professionalism that's lacking.

  • shot274 on September 12, 2012, 22:54 GMT

    I dont agree with your team-its not so much the personnel but its make up. There are only 6 specialist batsmen and this is the area we are most likely to struggle in.With Strauss and KP the first 5 were automatic selections. Not so now.Lets also not have bits and pieces players like Samit Patel. Unless Kieswetter is considered a specialist batsman why cant Bairstow be second keeper?Id have Taylor and possibly Tredwell in place of Patel and Bresnan(4 quicks enough)and probably Compton in place of Kieswetter. Honestly woulnt care how poor Monty is with the bat if he took a couple of 5 wicket hauls and however impressive Boparas bowling is if he struggles to get double figures he doesnt merit selection.Lets not have another era of Derek Pringles and Dermot Reeves!! This game is won by specialists not by those who do a bit of most things but are not great at any!

  • on September 12, 2012, 22:30 GMT

    England can just do fine without KP...It's time to move on. The ancient adage/cliché that 'no 1 man is better than the team' is true here, but it is also worth mentioning the disharmony his inclusion may well provoke. Would any of you swap both Anderson AND Swann for KP?-if I was a selector I certainly wouldn't. To say England have no chance without Kp is a joke. England's success was built primarily on the bowling,and we have fine young batsmen such as Root for tests, and Buttler Bairstow, and Hales for limited overs-ALL of which can swing the willow just as hard as KP.

  • on September 12, 2012, 22:07 GMT

    Swann, Anderson and Trott are pretty good slips - can't see Rikki Clarke returning! Chris Woakes would be in my squad - he's England's best all rounder at present and could make a huge difference to the balance of the team. Owais Shah would be an unlikely pick - but he is far, far better than most against spin. I'd make Bairstow the reserve keeper - reserve keepers usually spend all tour carrying drinks, why waste a place on one? The big problem is Strauss's replacement - I don't think Root is ready so I'd go for Carberry and I'd take Compton rather than Morgan. My 16: Cook, Carberry, Trott, Bell, Bairstow, Taylor, Compton, Prior, Swann, Panesar, Briggs, Woakes, Anderson, Broad, Finn, Onions.

  • sedgemour on September 12, 2012, 21:49 GMT

    @ AnotherCricketFan - dunno whether you are mistaken or deluded. India will not whitewash england. i expect India to win the series, but they are not good enough to completely beat england. Ashwin is a good prospect, he cuts out the 4 balls against good teams he will be a real handful. Ojha is one of the most over-rated spinners I have ever seen. The same players you are saying haven't scored runs in a while are in long-term troughs. One, maybe two may find some form, but all four won't. This will be Tendulkar's last series if he continues his poor form. He has his 100 100s, and if it was a lesser batsman he would have already been dropped by now. BCCI can't afford him not to play because of his commercial value to Indian Cricket. I enjoy watching Tendulkar, but he is past it now and shouldn't be picked ahead of young, budding talent. BCCI selection policy is like that of the ECB in the mid 90s, ignore the youngsters until there is a gaping hole in the team

  • sust2001 on September 12, 2012, 21:29 GMT

    English Team without KP is going to prove as a Joker Team soon!

  • JG2704 on September 12, 2012, 21:19 GMT

    @Gmale on (September 12 2012, 14:33 PM GMT) That's the way it is. Whether anyone likes it or not , KP is the employee and England are the employers.

  • JG2704 on September 12, 2012, 21:19 GMT

    @SamuelH on (September 12 2012, 14:28 PM GMT) I certainly see where you're coming from but maybe they thought Morgan was the nearest thing we have to KP in terms of the way he plays. Not sure I agree with it - in fact I don't - but I can see why they go for a more aggressive batsman.

  • hhillbumper on September 12, 2012, 20:56 GMT

    this has got old now.Lets move on and see where we go from there.My two tips would be pick young and no more saffers!!!!!!!!!!

  • Raki99 on September 12, 2012, 20:41 GMT

    Whatever Team the poms select, They havent won the series in india since 1984, 28 years is a very long time and its not gone change either. With peitersen I was thinking like a 1-1 tie without pietersen. Bou god save them just like god save the queen.

  • yorkshirematt on September 12, 2012, 20:28 GMT

    @iamnotfreezing (clearly you're not at Edgbaston!) Yes i think Allenby deserves a call up simply because of his contribution to Yorkshire's likely promotion in the next day or two. As does Robert croft before he retires.

  • JG2704 on September 12, 2012, 20:23 GMT

    @Yevghenny on (September 12 2012, 13:58 PM GMT)- Maybe because Swann pitches into team mate (singular) in an open manner whereas KP does it behind people's backs?

  • Hira1 on September 12, 2012, 19:43 GMT

    latest news hints that KP might be included as Cook is supporting him...is there still time for some one from the T20 squad gets injured and KP join him as replacement?

  • Herath-UK on September 12, 2012, 19:41 GMT

    I think the ECB knows jolly well that KP will make the tour to his advantage for a higher IPL bidding and probably he will jump the boat later.Where the ECB wanted him most was in Sri Lanka but once that opening gone they are least interested to play to KP's interests. Ranil Herath - Kent

  • on September 12, 2012, 19:17 GMT

    I think its over emphasised about batting and fielding of monty panesar as it hardly matters in test cricket. And leaving out young talent of taylor and experience of playing spin of bopara wont be good...

    I'd go with Cook, Root, Compton... Trott, Bell, Bairstow, Bopara, Prior... Samit Patel, Swann, Monty, Tredwell... Broad, Anderson, Finn, Bresnan.

    Good luck England...

  • samincolumbia on September 12, 2012, 19:16 GMT

    @GerrardK - Your prediction of Poms 'thrashing' India in India must be based on past history of England not having won a single test series in India for close to 30 years!! LOLZZZZZ. It's a miracle England got to #1 in the first place.

  • vxttemp on September 12, 2012, 19:09 GMT

    Usually I'm for a fair pitch but definitely not for England and Australia. Give them rank turners, snub their arrogance and bring them down to earth. I'm with KP on this issue. England as usual - double standards. Australia always talks about spirit of the game, but could never control the arrogant Ponting. BTW, they have great Steve Waugh who depends on mental disintegration than cricketing skills. And both the countries call cricket as gentleman's game :-)

  • Jaffa79 on September 12, 2012, 18:58 GMT

    The KP situation has been badly handled. Things need to have been sorted out before now and I feel if he doesn't go to India, then we might not see him in an England shirt again. He was wrong but they need to draw a line under this incident and move on. The thing with KP, if he did go with much to prove, I could see him having a big series.

  • bobmartin on September 12, 2012, 18:51 GMT

    I've said it before and I'll keep saying it...I'd sooner England go though a spell of losing without Pietersen, than win a few with him...because after all, even when he did play we didn't always win and nor did we always lose when he didn't play. That man has caused trouble wherever he has been.. and he's been doing it that long now that I doubt he will ever change.

  • xylo on September 12, 2012, 18:44 GMT

    Is this article meant to be a news piece or George Dobell's opinion? I don't understand why this author is churning out more articles about KP never being able to come back to the team. I haven't seen him talking about the team disciplining the Swann-Anderson-Broad triumvirate at all. And topping it off with cricinfo's "investigation". I would rather have this author spend more time on Bopara's form of his life.

  • on September 12, 2012, 18:41 GMT

    The more I read aboutt this the more sympathy I have for kp, who is clearly a very sensitive and insecure soul. I've now read anderson's book and think his warts and all tale where among other things he slags of Vaughan for being a bad captain is nothing short of ridiculous. The cliche of anderson swann and Brennan need to have a long look at themselves as they are part of the problem not part of the solution.

  • Nadeem1976 on September 12, 2012, 18:37 GMT

    Boring. Please don't waste our time. KP is just a player. move on now.

  • loke_cricfan on September 12, 2012, 18:36 GMT

    KP why worry come to India, we are behind you.........

  • phoenixsteve on September 12, 2012, 18:23 GMT

    An enjoyable and well written article George. The KP issue is the key to England's future over the enxt few years. I know that these players travel together, eat together & play/work together but they needn't be great pals! If Swan.Anderson,Broad, etc don't get on with KP that's unfortunate but not terminal. I'm sure there are at least a couple of players who get on with KP? England have had other difficult 'team' members in the past and still managed to integrate them? (Boycott, Chris Broad, Ted Dexter spring to mind) I'm for selecting a true specialist opening batsmen & also believe that Monty should be given a go. He certainly bowled well in the UAE & offers something 'different' to Swan. The catching can be improved by PRACTICE & I don't think that Bopara needs to suffer in England's cause anymore? Pick him when he's in form. My 15 for India: Carbery,Cook,Trott,Bell,KP,Bairstow,Prior,Taylor,Broad,Finn,Anderson,Swan,Monty,Tredwell,Onions. As for the T20 WHO CARES! COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • NaniIndCri on September 12, 2012, 18:11 GMT

    I think a lot will depend on Bairstow's performance in India, he has good technique against spin and temperament. Bell, given his problems with spin, might not even be a factor. He might have a chance if he opens the batting as he can score some runs before spinners come.

  • on September 12, 2012, 18:02 GMT

    Nick Compton 114 not out today. Surely he deserves a shot. He is averaging almost 100 in Division 1 this year.

  • ihaq1 on September 12, 2012, 17:53 GMT

    england should love to have spare batsmen of teh quality of kevin pieterson, nick compton and varun chopra...might be even carberry too...while a dressing room of likeable characters is a good option one should be able to handle the corrosiveness of kevin pieterson...also one finds it strange that peopel with an avergae of 49 in county cricket have not even received a tryout..kevin however should understand that he will have to giveup IPL if england want him on tour...one cannot have all teh cake should be the motto...and handling new players positively and helpfully should be encouraged...

  • GreenTeam-Elite on September 12, 2012, 17:29 GMT

    Poor approach by ECB which will affect England team in t20 world cup.

  • SirViv1973 on September 12, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    @Waza1234, I think Eng will change the system for this series. I think 5 bowlers of some destrciption will be needed in the hot dusty conditions. Eng managed to get away with 4 bowlers in the UAE coz it wasn't particularly hot there and neither team was able to keep the other in the field that long. It will be different in Ind where there will be far more heat and humidity plus I suspect more runs scored by Ind than what Pak managed which will equal longer periods in the field & more overs to bowl. We saw a bit of a change in SRL where the conditions where more similar to what we will find in Ind, when Samit was picked to bat at 7 and play as the 5th Bowler. Eng may have been tempted to go with 4 bowlers if Bopara was in any sort of form but I cant see him getting picked. Another factor is that Sroad isnt bowling as well or as quick as he was earlier in the yr, so I think a 3rd seamer either Woakes or Brsenan batting at 7 will be needed.

  • SpizenFire on September 12, 2012, 17:15 GMT

    Panesar not a popular guy in the dressing room. Wonder why .... he did bowl to Tendulkar in the nets...ONCE. Is there a theme here? Does it make me English if I AM NOT sporty and wanting to improve my game learning from the best? And if you tweet ... well .. it better be good byes!

    Didn't you see the board outside. You can't play with us if you are not part of our tweet-school club. For admissions visit ECB's official site or speak to any of our bowling experts via tweet.

  • ilovecricket1234 on September 12, 2012, 17:07 GMT

    Here's an Indian hoping that KP does not get picked! :)

  • SirViv1973 on September 12, 2012, 17:01 GMT

    I'm not convinced that Morgan will be picked for this tour. He wasnt given a full contract only an incrimental one which is generally given to players who are valued as important to the limited overs side but not a regular member of the test set up. I don't think one very good knock in the recent ODI series against SAF is reason enough to recall him to the test side. He had an abysmal run in the UAE at the start of the year and the conditions will of course be very similar to those in Ind. I think Eng will pick 7 batsman, 2 keepers, 2 spinners & 5 seamers, the lions will be in Ind at the same time so other players can be drafted in if needs be. I think the squad will be Cook, Carberry, Trott, Bell, Taylor,Bairstow,Samit,Prior, Davies,Swann, Panesar,Woakes,Bresnan,Broad,Anderson,Finn,

  • GHemrajani on September 12, 2012, 16:51 GMT

    England will lose all matches. I see the end of Flower. I will take pleasure in watching Flower while England goes down. KP will be back.

  • wibblewibble on September 12, 2012, 16:48 GMT

    I love how history gets rewritten by the Indian fans when they lose. Why did they get white-washed in England in 2010? "Greentops"? Not one of those wickets was particularly spicy, the ball nipped around only a bit - that's what cricket is about. The only greentop I've seen in world cricket recently was AUS vs NZ in Tazzy.

    Rank spinners would probably favour ENG to be honest, it's when they only spin a little, or only 1 ball in 3 spins that really makes us collapse.

  • ashutosh163 on September 12, 2012, 16:38 GMT

    "but he has the talent and the time (he is only 21) to develop into the man who opens with Cook in the Ashes" - This just shows the obsession of the English with Ashes and planning everything around it. Agreed, there is nothing like the Ashes but that shouldn't mean that you use the other series just as a run-up to the Ashes. Focus guys, else you might continue your losing streak in India!

  • sirvivfan on September 12, 2012, 16:36 GMT

    Mr Dobell why does no 11 needs to bat! Did you not see Panesar bowl in UAE against Pakistan......he easily out bowled Swan, agree? Now as to fielding, this summer I hav seen Swan, Anderson, Cook drop catches at key times resulting in match losses? Nobody talks about dropping them. I wonder why. Agree they are better fielders, but surely Panesars bowling warrants selection. Why is not considered selection in the Uk?

  • prannsshu on September 12, 2012, 16:32 GMT

    My team for indian tour cook, bell, trott, bairstrow, bopara, morgan, prior, patel,swann, Broad, tradwell, finn, anderson, bresenan, davies.

  • AnotherCricketFan on September 12, 2012, 16:30 GMT

    No Pietersen, Trusting Swann bowling - well India will (yes will) whitewash. And add to that, Sachin failed with NZ, Sehwag has not scored big, Gambhir too. Kohli is high and Ashwin, Ojha will keep winning them. Swann's ineptness will be made public. Broad and Anderson will have nothing to 'swing' about - even in Dharmasala green tops. Praveen Kumar, if he is picked, will fare better in than them.

    It is going to be fun to watch England pay for their arrogance. Trott is one person who can grind, grind and grind. He has the patience and stamina. Most likely, he will be the star for England.

  • on September 12, 2012, 16:28 GMT

    As much as I'd love an even contest, I really don't see England winning the series without Petersien. He's such a key player, especially when England tour the sub-continent. I think it'll either be 2-0 or 2-1 in favour of India.

  • on September 12, 2012, 16:23 GMT

    The batting looks awfully thin without Strauss and Petersien. My playing XI: Cook, Trott, Bell, Bairstow, Morgan, Prior, Bresnan, Swann, Anderson, Finn, Panesar. Very long tail, but Eng would need 5 bowlers since none of their batsmen bowl part time. Any of the english fans know how good Root is? I've never seen him play.

  • crindo77 on September 12, 2012, 16:21 GMT

    Clash of egos; people thinking they are bigger than the game. How did truly great teams, Australia and West Indies keep it together on/off the field, you wonder. Discipline and respect for the game. Very often cracks appear when the team is on the way down, with finger pointing and scapegoats. England, now it appears, have been unhappy for a very long time, maybe even before KP. KP's behaviour and his offences, if true, are unpardonable; on the other hand Broad, Swann and Anderson have and continue to, make a mockery of English cricket, by dragging it into the dirt along with their myriad autobiographies, which appear well suited for the tabloid press. And as for team management and ECB, well it appears that they were happy to watch the horse bolt from the loft of the barn, and now would you believe it, the whole barn is on fire, never mind the bloody door.

  • iamnotfreezing on September 12, 2012, 16:17 GMT

    Talking about safe slip catching and steady all-rounder - Jim Allenby from Glamorgan would be a good wild-card. Just scored another century against Kent. Solid all-rounder!!!

  • liz1558 on September 12, 2012, 16:16 GMT

    It's a simple matter for the selectors - the nonsense in the dressing room about Twitter and personality clashes comes second to commitment to the cause. Twitter bitter is just a smoke screen. If KP is willing to commit himself to England and forsake IPL, he will be on the plane to India. They would all have to just shake hands and apologize - they'll be loved up in no time.

  • on September 12, 2012, 16:05 GMT

    Sigh, what a shame. All this talk of " homogenized England dressing room" is utter nonsense. The rest of the team doen't have to be on backslapping terms with Petersien. With a little bit of compromise I'm sure they can all co-exist. Irrespective of what has happened off the field, I don't think anyone can question Petersien's commitment on the field. He gives his heart and soul when he plays. His record speaks for himself.

  • on September 12, 2012, 15:58 GMT

    This is nothing new for KP. He used to accuse his native land SA as having some kind of a racial quota and that they would never give him his due. Hence the move to England. This man is good; but not among the best. There are at least 5 batsmen who are better than him in every respect. KP thinks too highly of his own talents. Its hard to play alongside such a huge ego. I pity the other English lads having to rub shoulders with this prima dona.

  • 2.14istherunrate on September 12, 2012, 15:54 GMT

    It looks as though some people will take special delight if KP is left out of the tour and finds himself without a county next year. He wil;l be better off financially mayber if he does play all these t20 tournaments but how on earth can 20 over slog arounds possibly satisfy a man of his ability in the Test arena, especially as half of the applause he receives especially India is from people who do not klnow a thing about the game. Michael Vaughan is quoted as saying all this could have been avoided and sorted by the players if KP and a few senior players had sat together at dinner and talked it out. Certainly this should never have got this far or even a 1/4 wway down the path. It is pathetic and just suicidal. It shows how immature some men are. Perhaps at this late hour someone with thought processe like MV might consider helping out.Please, someone-stop this utter insanity!

  • yorkshirematt on September 12, 2012, 15:53 GMT

    YAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • on September 12, 2012, 15:42 GMT

    Owais Shah tackles spin better than most of the other English players, on Indian pitches. Selectors may not like to look at the IPL tapes; but those tapes will show his approach to Indian spin.

  • Atifkhan3489 on September 12, 2012, 15:41 GMT

    If england want to retain their no 2 test ranking, they should include KP in their squad.

  • on September 12, 2012, 15:37 GMT

    Potential opening pair will be a sub-editors dream coming true. Will it be "COOKing the ROOT"? or "COOKing the TROTT" ? Most of the 'number-threes' make good openers. Root is the horse for the long race. But Trott, with his experience may be preferred to battle it out on the Indian pitches; at least he has played in India, unlike Root.

  • SamRoy on September 12, 2012, 15:21 GMT

    So Pietersen and Panesar don't fit into the current English dressing room? I thought Panesar was the most popular member of the English dressing room (Pietersen may be the most unpopular) and if England picks Tredwell and Patel over Panesar England are gonna get a hammering just like the one they dished out to India last year....

  • on September 12, 2012, 15:21 GMT

    Why isn't Rob Key being considered ,still in his early 30's a wealth of experience ,Kent Captain, shouldn't he be in the squad?

  • SurlyCynic on September 12, 2012, 15:20 GMT

    If Clarke is really not picked because he's the 'wrong sort of fellow' then things have reached rock bottom. This team dynamic stuff is sounding increasingly childish, and in the SA v Eng tests it looked like men against boys at times. Surely players should be picked on ability not on whether they can banter with 'Broady' and 'Swanny'. Gilchrist and Warne didn't get on, but once they got on the pitch they worked together to win for their country. Grow up England.

  • sjm5000 on September 12, 2012, 15:19 GMT

    Hopefully, England will realise that only specialists are likely to do in India in conditions where 'bits and pieces' men will just fail at everything. That ought to eliminate players like Kieswetter, Clarke and even Patel from their thoughts, though sadly it won't. Perhaps almost as much as KP, form/injury problems with Broad and Swann are really aggravating a bad situation. But either at 8 and it's not a terrible tail. Chopra to open and field at slip.

  • Selassie-I on September 12, 2012, 15:14 GMT

    Personally I think Root or Compton, happy with either. Maybe Root and Compton to understudy Bell, but as a back up if Root has a poor start.

  • indian_diesel_loco_class_WDP4 on September 12, 2012, 15:13 GMT

    well,well,well england here we go again ,another defeat against the not so formidable indians in their home and english cricket is certain to be rolling on thin ice caught in an avalanche with no escape but going down..down..down .

  • RodStark on September 12, 2012, 15:13 GMT

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, PLEASE stop using that same picture of KP clutching his forhead and looking agonized!!

  • ashes61 on September 12, 2012, 15:10 GMT

    We hear constantly about Pietersen's "people" and how poorly he has been advised for so long. It looks to me as if this piece has been written by one of them! Is Dobell KP's agent? He seems keen to advertise his inside knowledge - and to keep a public debate going while both sides have said they will conduct matters away from the glare of publicity. Strange. Perhaps he feels the Cricinfo message boards have a greater influence than they possibly can. Wouldn't expect my contribution to be published here but would be delighted to be proved wrong. Meanwhiole, I do hope Cook is not wasting his valuable time and energy on a wild goose chase. A leopard doesn't change his spots. Let him back in and the same problems will return - Ego v Team.

  • on September 12, 2012, 15:08 GMT

    Root just got a duck while Compton is well on his way to yet another 100 at 88*. Roots last scores: 14,11,24*,43,1,7,11. If that's the best England has for an opener God help us.

  • CricketFromAfar on September 12, 2012, 15:07 GMT

    How can you write an article about possible changes and just rehash this squad with just Joe Root (I'm a fan) added? Disappointing.

  • GerrardLK on September 12, 2012, 15:05 GMT

    During India tour if KP plays then the Poms will thrash India to innings defeat. If he doesn't play then India can avoid innings defeat.

  • vaibhavsharma100 on September 12, 2012, 15:04 GMT

    I thought that discussion happening between peiterson and ECB will not come out but then how do people know that Peiterson raised this issue of parody twitter account?

  • on September 12, 2012, 15:03 GMT

    This is not an justice for kp

  • emmersonne on September 12, 2012, 14:51 GMT

    I think taking a punt on Briggs or Borthwick would be a good idea. Four spinners isn't too many to take to India, a quick bout of Dehli Belly could lay three of them out in one fell swoop. Also, I would take Compton and Carberry for the same reason.

  • on September 12, 2012, 14:44 GMT

    Would it be so outlandish to consider Chris Nash? He's scored runs for Sussex opening the batting, is a good slip fielder, and is a pretty hand offspinner to boot...

  • Liger1 on September 12, 2012, 14:43 GMT

    why doesn't Panesar fit into a homogenized England dressing room? What exactly are you suggesting?

  • LEOFURQAN86 on September 12, 2012, 14:38 GMT

    Without Kevin Pietrsen England will loose all matches in India and relief for India if they cant pick the KP India are very happy for this selected england team without classy player (KP) and feel lucky

  • on September 12, 2012, 14:37 GMT

    This is so difficult to pick. Team desperately needs an all-rounder for the sub-continent, where 5 bowlers is almost essential to balance the work-load. Apart from Gambhir and Raina, they mainly have right-handed batsman - a left-arm spin option is a must, but I suspect they'll take apart part-timers like Patel, and sadly Monty offers little bar his bowling. If Broad could mature his batting and become the no:7 his ability should allow then it'd be wondrous for the balance. As it is, I think England will be conservative and only play 4 bowlers and pray for no injuries. Hence they can't play Bresnan and will probably pair Swann and Panesar with Broad and Anderson, which is brutally unfair on Finn. A few overs from Trott and Root (who they'll probably take as the "next-in-line") might even-up the workload. The team will thus probably be:- Cook, Root, Trott, Bell, Bairstow, Morgan (??KP??)), Prior, Broad, Swann, Anderson, Panesar. I'd be tempted to play Finn rather than a batsman though.

  • Munafis810 on September 12, 2012, 14:37 GMT

    Without KP , if England can win a tournament..England will win the tournament consecutively over next 3 decades

  • on September 12, 2012, 14:36 GMT

    England without Pieterson will be nothing in India. Then they have to depend on only their bowlers.

  • i_witnessed_2011 on September 12, 2012, 14:36 GMT

    Well, Everybody still can hope for Peterson inclusion in the squad. But I do not think Samit Patel or Kieswetter should get chance in the touring squad. and also I do not think selecting 5 fast bowlers would be a good option. Esp considering the pitches , Eng may not be playing more than two pace bowlers (2 pace and 2 spin) in a match. An inform Ravi Bopara would add value as part time bowler, but his batting form is really the concern. In my opinion Ravi Bopara should be selected in place of fifth fast bowler. Who knows he may come good against the spin in Indian pitches.

  • TheBengalTiger on September 12, 2012, 14:36 GMT

    India had 5 first team players missing for most of the tour. england might be missing one, and they will still lose, just like they would with Pietersen. Time for English media to swallow a massive dose of reality as their overhyped team with around 5 english players will be forced to shut their mouths and let their cricket do the talking.

  • Gmale on September 12, 2012, 14:33 GMT

    Not sure what the point of this article is - analysis of KP issue, analysis of England's prospects in India, or both? IMHO it does a poor job in all these three areas. Saying KP should return to England team on England's terms not his is sheer baloney. In fact I am surprised George Dobell says this since a few weeks ago he was nodding his head while interviewing Mark Nicholas when Mark suggested both parties need to compromise and find middle ground. Actually, even Mark Nicholas seemed pretty irritated by George when he kept asking the same question a zillion times. Poorly written!

  • 2nd_Slip on September 12, 2012, 14:31 GMT

    George Dobell PLEASE find something alse worth writting about WE ARE SICK OF READING ABOUT KEVIN PIETERSEN besides the fact that he is the best batsman England have at their disposal!!!. He and all his fans(me included) need to understand that this is a team sport. I would like J Root to be given the opening role as i think he will develop into a better cricketer if he is exposed to international test cricket before his talent becomes consumed by the other ludicrous format(T20) like all other promising younsters who have flatered to decive in international cricket(..Craig Keiswetter,Shane Watson,Rohit Sharma,David Warner,Suresh Raina etc)

  • SDHM on September 12, 2012, 14:28 GMT

    The fact that Eoin 'I average 19 in first class cricket this season' Morgan is assured of a place on a Test match tour is a joke when compared to the run scoring feats of Compton & Hildreth. It's taken a matter of weeks for England's selectors to go from the best in the world to panic stations. Ridiculous.

  • Damo_s on September 12, 2012, 14:24 GMT

    It doesnt really matter who we select. We are going to get a good beating in India. KP, as good as he can be for England and as much as I love him batting when he is playing well, is proving to be a pain in the backside and this is unsettling the team and the management. KP out, Morgan in.

  • Min2_cric on September 12, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    Well i m not aware of what is happening between KP and the ECB, but as an Indian i would really like to see him playing that 4 tests in India...

  • CricketMaan on September 12, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    Its neither surprising nor amazing to read this article just after a year when the whole of English media hailed the then No.1 English team and how they will go on and hold on to it, if not for ever but a very long time..and see where they are now..shambles. Having said that whatever team they carry to India, i still dont expect them to loose 4-0 as the Indian team themselves are in an ever-rebuilding phase (dont know if it will ever stop rebuilding)..so all is not gloom and doom..Take whomever you want to for it anit gonna be a white wash

  • Harlequin. on September 12, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    "But as soon as he expressed his lingering resentment over the parody Twitter account, the spectre of more unrest within the dressing room was raised." That makes it sound like the account row was KP's fault, which is an absurd accusation.

  • wnwn on September 12, 2012, 14:22 GMT

    That looks a good squad. England will probably use the formula of 6 batsmen, wicket keeper, 2 spinners and 2 fast bowlers. If this is the case then Panesar should play ahead of Patel because of his better bowling and you can always hide him in the field. Stuard Broad needs to increase his pace dramatically if he has any chance of playing these matches ahead of Finn who would be my choice.

  • Balaji_Dhamodharan on September 12, 2012, 14:20 GMT

    Welcome English..to our soil..the tigers are waiting for you..

  • Hindh on September 12, 2012, 14:16 GMT

    Crossing 300 would now be difficult for england without pietersen as Rank turners will be produced for Eng this time to return the favour for preparing Greentops for indians. There will be NO-MERCY for Eng this time around....

  • bumsonseats on September 12, 2012, 14:13 GMT

    will this be another piece that gets blown off course about pros and cons of KP. when george dobell started for cricinfo i thought he was a breath of fresh air. but most of his pieces seem to throw up the same old thing thats been going on. and if you read a very good piece by andrew hughes on cricinfo today others seem to think his comments a little comical in its extreme.

  • dsig3 on September 12, 2012, 14:09 GMT

    The wheels are coming off now for England. They are fighting each other more than the opposition. Have a good look at the sqaud they have there. Only Trott and Finn are in any sort of form. The rest are passengers or rookies.

  • Yevghenny on September 12, 2012, 13:58 GMT

    Swann can criticise and pitch into team mates and yet continue to be selected, why can't Pietersen?

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  • Yevghenny on September 12, 2012, 13:58 GMT

    Swann can criticise and pitch into team mates and yet continue to be selected, why can't Pietersen?

  • dsig3 on September 12, 2012, 14:09 GMT

    The wheels are coming off now for England. They are fighting each other more than the opposition. Have a good look at the sqaud they have there. Only Trott and Finn are in any sort of form. The rest are passengers or rookies.

  • bumsonseats on September 12, 2012, 14:13 GMT

    will this be another piece that gets blown off course about pros and cons of KP. when george dobell started for cricinfo i thought he was a breath of fresh air. but most of his pieces seem to throw up the same old thing thats been going on. and if you read a very good piece by andrew hughes on cricinfo today others seem to think his comments a little comical in its extreme.

  • Hindh on September 12, 2012, 14:16 GMT

    Crossing 300 would now be difficult for england without pietersen as Rank turners will be produced for Eng this time to return the favour for preparing Greentops for indians. There will be NO-MERCY for Eng this time around....

  • Balaji_Dhamodharan on September 12, 2012, 14:20 GMT

    Welcome English..to our soil..the tigers are waiting for you..

  • wnwn on September 12, 2012, 14:22 GMT

    That looks a good squad. England will probably use the formula of 6 batsmen, wicket keeper, 2 spinners and 2 fast bowlers. If this is the case then Panesar should play ahead of Patel because of his better bowling and you can always hide him in the field. Stuard Broad needs to increase his pace dramatically if he has any chance of playing these matches ahead of Finn who would be my choice.

  • Harlequin. on September 12, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    "But as soon as he expressed his lingering resentment over the parody Twitter account, the spectre of more unrest within the dressing room was raised." That makes it sound like the account row was KP's fault, which is an absurd accusation.

  • CricketMaan on September 12, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    Its neither surprising nor amazing to read this article just after a year when the whole of English media hailed the then No.1 English team and how they will go on and hold on to it, if not for ever but a very long time..and see where they are now..shambles. Having said that whatever team they carry to India, i still dont expect them to loose 4-0 as the Indian team themselves are in an ever-rebuilding phase (dont know if it will ever stop rebuilding)..so all is not gloom and doom..Take whomever you want to for it anit gonna be a white wash

  • Min2_cric on September 12, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    Well i m not aware of what is happening between KP and the ECB, but as an Indian i would really like to see him playing that 4 tests in India...

  • Damo_s on September 12, 2012, 14:24 GMT

    It doesnt really matter who we select. We are going to get a good beating in India. KP, as good as he can be for England and as much as I love him batting when he is playing well, is proving to be a pain in the backside and this is unsettling the team and the management. KP out, Morgan in.