ICC news June 24, 2011

DRS, World Cup 2015 format top agenda

ESPNcricinfo staff
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The Decision Review System (DRS) is likely to be the focal point at the ICC's five-day annual conference that begins on Sunday in Hong Kong. The ICC's cricket committee had unanimously recommended the use of the DRS in all Tests, but the system has been a source of disagreement among the boards, with the BCCI opposing its implementation.

"The ICC cricket committee is in favour of employing DRS in all formats of the game," ICC chief Haroon Lorgat said ahead of the conference. "They were quite impressed with the success in terms of all the research and feedback they received. It was very strongly evaluated during the cricket committee meeting in May, and after long deliberation they were unanimous in supporting the application of DRS across all forms of the game."

The cricket committee also proposed changes to enhance the ODI format - stricter penalties for over-rate offences and amendments to the law pertaining to runners - all of which will come up for discussion in Hong Kong.

The other issue likely to dominate proceedings is the revaluation of the ICC's decision to restrict the 2015 World Cup to its 10 Full Member nations. "The board had decided earlier that 2015 will be a 10-team Member World Cup, but that did not go down well and the president [Sharad Pawar] decided to reconsider the topic," Lorgat said. "I do support that there should be some sort of qualification process for all members to get to the World Cup. I do favour a 10-team World Cup with a qualification process."

Also on the agenda are possible amendments to the ICC's constitution, aimed at ensuring free elections of Member boards and avoiding undue government interference in administration. "We are going to discuss the concept of Member boards ensuring there is no government interference in the sport, that they are able to hold free elections and make appointments of members to the boards from among themselves," Lorgat said. "In other words it [needs to be] a democratic process, where elections are free, and people who are elected come in to administer the sport." The Pakistan board had sent a legal notice to the ICC raising questions - and threatening legal action - over this proposed amendment. The PCB is one of the boards directly affected by the amendment. Its constitution states that the President of Pakistan - invariably but not always a political figure - is the patron of the board and the sole authority in hiring or firing the chairman.

The ICC's full council will also consider a constitutional change to the process of nominating and electing the ICC president. Under the new proposal, the executive board will decide the process and term of office from time to time, subject to certain qualifying criteria. This would replace the current rotational system of nomination and the fixed term of appointment. Pakistan and Bangladesh - the two members who are to nominate the next candidates for president and vice-president - are believed to have objected to the change.

"There is a view from among boards that the best person should be nominated as the president," Lorgat said. However, he said that "for a constitutional change to go through, you need 38 of the 50 members supporting the change, and of the 38, eight will have to be Full Members, so it is quite a hurdle to cross".

The inclusion of cricket in the Olympic games is one of the peripheral issues that will be discussed. "We need to do a proper and scientific evaluation of cricket's participation the Olympic games," Lorgat said. "We need to do this evaluation to put this debate once and for all to rest, and on a scientific basis prove that there is a case for participation, or no case."

Lorgat also expressed his satisfaction with the Pakistan security task force set up after the attack on the Sri Lankan team in Lahore in February 2009. "I am encouraged by the work and results I have seen through the engagement of the Pakistan task team with the PCB, and I hope the PCB themselves feel as excited as I do about the contents of that report. It is a very thorough report, and we will be tabling what I would hope to be the final report.

"Once the board reviews it, and the PCB accepts and hopefully implements the recommendations in a manner they have done before, we can conclude the work of the team."

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  • WhoCaresAboutIPL on June 26, 2011, 17:32 GMT

    The many Indian fans may be correct in saying that ICC depends on India money, but that has nothing at all to do with whether international cricket is played. The idea that without BCCI or ICC that cricket would just collapse is laughable, it might actually work rather better, since ICC representatives are rarely the best thinkers or contributors to the game, but career business people and "managers". What about Mike Brearley as the new ICO (International Cricket Organisation) President...

  • Mojay on June 26, 2011, 15:27 GMT

    If they take an opinion poll my guess is that over 90% of Indians will want the DRS. Why is the $60k being disclosed now to the public and not earlier. What exactly is the reason for BCCI in opposing DRS...is it money or other reasoning? First of all I dont believe what Shah is mentioning about the cost part. There is no way the smaller nations would vote for DRS if it were so. Let the ICC/BCCI disclose the cost involvement to the general public. If the owners of the various DRS tools are really charging more then they should be pressurised to lower the charges. The BCCI is giving the impression to the rest of the world as being stupid,unreasonable,arrogant and greedy. They need a good spanking. Sachin and MSD may be important people but it doesn't mean that their thinking is right.

    The bottom line is that with DRS the wrong decisions are much,much lower. The whole world including the Umpires, Indian Public want DRS except BCCI,SRT and MSD.

  • Ummo1 on June 26, 2011, 14:59 GMT

    to all indian fans why you hate drs and if there is no drs how can you win the worldcup saeed ajmal lbw remember

  • JavagalSrinath on June 26, 2011, 13:30 GMT

    Why dont on field umpires carry smartphones or some smart device, check out the replays whenever they have doubt through smartphone and give their verdict. Why do we need DRS which costs $60k. $60k is lot of money just to check few LBW decision, I am sure all 4 umpires and match referee combined wont get $60k salary for a match.

  • ranjitpp on June 26, 2011, 11:20 GMT

    Guys who are for UDRS please understand that this technology is not error free. What is the point in using a tehnology which is not eror free to compenstae for the human error!! The suppliers themselves admits that the ball trajectory prediction is not correct beyond 2.5mtrs. So are you guys are advocating to use this partially?? The trajectory prediction works on the assumption that the ball takes the same path even after hitting the pads, but is it so always? what if the ball looses its trajactory aftre the point of hitting the pads due to wind or any other factors? There are company's who is eager to make money in selling these technology..lets live and play in a world with errors..To err is human..but not technology.

  • PrameshP on June 26, 2011, 8:51 GMT

    Its a ridiculous that BCCI is not want to use UDRS in international cricket. ICC should make it compulsory rather than make its subject of controversy.

  • wittgenstein on June 26, 2011, 6:04 GMT

    Without anyone else to play with, BCCI's revenue is zero.

    The revenue is generated by two parties playing against each other only one of which is India. It is time the BCCI were made aware of this fact.

    Actually it is nothing to do with BCCI as such, just the Indian advertisers. The rest of the world should continue with the ICC having a team of Indians. When the ICC team of Indians play against the other teams the revenue will come straight to the ICC and from them distributed fairly to world cricket. BCCI can do what they like with themselves.

  • on June 25, 2011, 18:29 GMT

    Oh well, i am laughing on reading some comments from Indian fans. They say India provides 90 percent revenue to ICC. So, India should quit ICC and the cricket will finish accross the world. Oh really??? Are you in your senses??? Come on and comment sensibly. And tell me will India play only IPL after quitting the cricket world and that too without international players:))))

  • sachin_vvsfan on June 25, 2011, 18:00 GMT

    @randika_ayya "Daryl Harper and Steve Bucknor are both very fine umpires " I rest my case.

  • Sanjeev_Talwani on June 25, 2011, 14:35 GMT

    If the ICC doesn't pay heed to India's objection to the implementation of the UDRS system, the BCCI should just quit the ICC and then see who comes crying. With 90% of the money gone, the ICC would have no means to sustain itself and the BCCI, with all its money, can actually set up its own worldwide board to recruit cricketers from around the world to represent their countries and thereby completely dictate the cricketing schedule in the world. It would be funny to see who generates the greater revenue -- the BCCI or the ICC (if it survives at all).

  • WhoCaresAboutIPL on June 26, 2011, 17:32 GMT

    The many Indian fans may be correct in saying that ICC depends on India money, but that has nothing at all to do with whether international cricket is played. The idea that without BCCI or ICC that cricket would just collapse is laughable, it might actually work rather better, since ICC representatives are rarely the best thinkers or contributors to the game, but career business people and "managers". What about Mike Brearley as the new ICO (International Cricket Organisation) President...

  • Mojay on June 26, 2011, 15:27 GMT

    If they take an opinion poll my guess is that over 90% of Indians will want the DRS. Why is the $60k being disclosed now to the public and not earlier. What exactly is the reason for BCCI in opposing DRS...is it money or other reasoning? First of all I dont believe what Shah is mentioning about the cost part. There is no way the smaller nations would vote for DRS if it were so. Let the ICC/BCCI disclose the cost involvement to the general public. If the owners of the various DRS tools are really charging more then they should be pressurised to lower the charges. The BCCI is giving the impression to the rest of the world as being stupid,unreasonable,arrogant and greedy. They need a good spanking. Sachin and MSD may be important people but it doesn't mean that their thinking is right.

    The bottom line is that with DRS the wrong decisions are much,much lower. The whole world including the Umpires, Indian Public want DRS except BCCI,SRT and MSD.

  • Ummo1 on June 26, 2011, 14:59 GMT

    to all indian fans why you hate drs and if there is no drs how can you win the worldcup saeed ajmal lbw remember

  • JavagalSrinath on June 26, 2011, 13:30 GMT

    Why dont on field umpires carry smartphones or some smart device, check out the replays whenever they have doubt through smartphone and give their verdict. Why do we need DRS which costs $60k. $60k is lot of money just to check few LBW decision, I am sure all 4 umpires and match referee combined wont get $60k salary for a match.

  • ranjitpp on June 26, 2011, 11:20 GMT

    Guys who are for UDRS please understand that this technology is not error free. What is the point in using a tehnology which is not eror free to compenstae for the human error!! The suppliers themselves admits that the ball trajectory prediction is not correct beyond 2.5mtrs. So are you guys are advocating to use this partially?? The trajectory prediction works on the assumption that the ball takes the same path even after hitting the pads, but is it so always? what if the ball looses its trajactory aftre the point of hitting the pads due to wind or any other factors? There are company's who is eager to make money in selling these technology..lets live and play in a world with errors..To err is human..but not technology.

  • PrameshP on June 26, 2011, 8:51 GMT

    Its a ridiculous that BCCI is not want to use UDRS in international cricket. ICC should make it compulsory rather than make its subject of controversy.

  • wittgenstein on June 26, 2011, 6:04 GMT

    Without anyone else to play with, BCCI's revenue is zero.

    The revenue is generated by two parties playing against each other only one of which is India. It is time the BCCI were made aware of this fact.

    Actually it is nothing to do with BCCI as such, just the Indian advertisers. The rest of the world should continue with the ICC having a team of Indians. When the ICC team of Indians play against the other teams the revenue will come straight to the ICC and from them distributed fairly to world cricket. BCCI can do what they like with themselves.

  • on June 25, 2011, 18:29 GMT

    Oh well, i am laughing on reading some comments from Indian fans. They say India provides 90 percent revenue to ICC. So, India should quit ICC and the cricket will finish accross the world. Oh really??? Are you in your senses??? Come on and comment sensibly. And tell me will India play only IPL after quitting the cricket world and that too without international players:))))

  • sachin_vvsfan on June 25, 2011, 18:00 GMT

    @randika_ayya "Daryl Harper and Steve Bucknor are both very fine umpires " I rest my case.

  • Sanjeev_Talwani on June 25, 2011, 14:35 GMT

    If the ICC doesn't pay heed to India's objection to the implementation of the UDRS system, the BCCI should just quit the ICC and then see who comes crying. With 90% of the money gone, the ICC would have no means to sustain itself and the BCCI, with all its money, can actually set up its own worldwide board to recruit cricketers from around the world to represent their countries and thereby completely dictate the cricketing schedule in the world. It would be funny to see who generates the greater revenue -- the BCCI or the ICC (if it survives at all).

  • on June 25, 2011, 13:38 GMT

    For the first time when there has been an issue between ICC and BCCI, I am joining ICC's side. Accept UDRS or dont criticize umpiring errors. I cant fathom that a team that has been demoralised by Bucknor several times is raising voice against a potential solution to similar problems in future. Something is definitely better than nothing. In a game of continuous evolution where all laws except two have undergone change ever since its beginning, UDRS is never going to be the same. When there is a better technology than Hawk eye, it will be used and hawk eye will be dumped. ICC has a history of successfully improving upon these secondary laws of the game. When rain rule spelt disaster in 1992, duckworth lewis came in. Now ICC are considering VJD method as an improvisation upon d/l. Similarly UDRS if enforced uniformly will improve as the game progresses into next decades.

  • sanath007 on June 25, 2011, 13:10 GMT

    For people saying without India there won't be cricket as money comes from India, I say can India play cricket alone??? if nobody plays with them...

  • randika_ayya on June 25, 2011, 12:54 GMT

    Daryl Harper and Steve Bucknor are both very fine umpires. If India don't want gentleman like them officiating matches they should atleast produce some quality replacements. And I prefer not to talk of the quality of umpires produced by India in living memory! Opposing everything and everyone has become the norm of their approach recently!

  • whynot_1 on June 25, 2011, 12:53 GMT

    Its not easy to digest that out of 100 international cricketers globally, only the 10 Indians are smart enough to figure out that the UDRS is worse than naked eye umpiring. Why would the Smiths and Strausses have similar concerns. I think Dhoni & co are really concerned about the maximum 2 unsuccessful reviews rule. It can seriously hurt team harmony. The latter order batsmen will feel aggrieved if the top two guys use up the review and fail, and given that we are a team of superstars, every top batsman always believes he is not out. This 2 review rule means a big dilemna that wronged latter order batsmen are unfairly stopped from review if the top order uses it up. So also with the bowling, as a wkt keeper, unsuccessful reviews call into question, Dhoni's own assessment , and being consistently unsuccessful will feel like an insult to his intelligence, , given his experience, Dhoni has the confidence that he call it right. If we tinker with the review numbers India will be in

  • on June 25, 2011, 11:20 GMT

    Why is Dhoni's scathing criticism of Umpire Darrel Harper not reported here in Cricinfo? Harper made an astonishing 6 pathetic errors! Even with that India wins in 4 days. Do you need UDRS for this! UDRS is another 'predictive' system over an umpire's. It does not make the correct decision. The reason for India's aversion to UDRS is umpire mistakes itself. India has been receiving pathetic umpiring decisions for a long time. India was the first team to adapt UDRS don't forget that against Sri Lanka even in that series there were a lot of blunders. That's why India is opposed to UDRS. The question here arises is that did Harper do the mistakes on purpose with ICC's collusion with the support of Australian or English Cricket boards so that UDRS could be forced upon India just to satisfy egos! That is a serious issue. The bottom line is India has received ultra bad decisions for a long time and India can assume there is bias and oppose any thing which is not in its good within the rules.

  • sheels on June 25, 2011, 10:04 GMT

    As hawk eye can not determine the amount of spin height and pace, 100% accurate

    the system can be used for faint edges of the bat, LBW if the height of the ball is between 3/4th to 7/8th of the middle stumps only. Ruled Not out, if hawk eye shows the ball hitting the bails only

    Such guidelines can be put in place for the DRS to be more effective as naked eye of the umpire is not enough

    I am for UDRS system with standard guidelines, otherwise it will nothing but the decision of another blind and deaf umpire with all technology available with him

  • Prats6 on June 25, 2011, 9:18 GMT

    Ok first things first, India drives world cricket, 90% of the ICC sponsership are for advertising in India so people thinking world cricket can even survive without India are surely joking, ask the Sri Lankan board what Indian involvement means to their T20 league, they dont even have a broadcaster. On other things, Yes for DRS and all changes proposed by the cricket committee. WC should have 10 teams, but the last 2 or 3 places can be qualifying spots.

  • on June 25, 2011, 8:55 GMT

    UDRS cannot detect the amount of spin or pace generated by the ball! So... no UDRS!

  • Mukundan.G.S. on June 25, 2011, 8:49 GMT

    All BCCI/India opposers...i can see an obvious heart burn and you cannot accept the fact that India is ruling the cricketing world. India has been on the receiving end all these years and its pay back time dude...

  • druid09 on June 25, 2011, 8:26 GMT

    Firstly, popcorn - dont talk about steve bucknor and darryl harper without seeing the tests. their umpriring WAS atrocious. I dont like India's opposition to UDRS either. But your analysis of ICC minus India and India with its tail between the legs is wrong. Who do you think pays the paychecks for ICC? Ship up or shape out, buddy. Welcome to the new world.

  • maddy20 on June 25, 2011, 8:15 GMT

    Yes UDRS should be mandatory only if hotspot and snicko are available. So first ICC needs to give the Aussie company that manufactures the equipment a kick on the backside and force them to supply it to all the members. I cannot believe that the ICC could not convice them to provide it for a major event such as the WC. THe Aussies have bullied ICC long enough. Now its our turn to bully them back!

  • on June 25, 2011, 8:00 GMT

    The Indian cricketers have criticized the poor umpiring of Daryll Harper in the recently concluded test match in the West Indies. The Indians accused Harper of making six poor decisions which went against them. A DRS system would have corrected some of errors.

    Thankfully the ICC is not renewing Harper's contract when it expires in July.

  • popcorn on June 25, 2011, 7:51 GMT

    Indian cricketers need a kick up their backside. They now have the temerity to find fault with umpire Daryl Harper.Like they did in Steve Bucknor.These Indian cricketers would not have had the guts to question the umpires - they definitely have the backing of BCCI.Enough is enough. Let ICC make UDRS mandatory and outvote India.Force India's hand. Let's see what India does. Will they quit the ICC? No.They will come back with their tails between their legs.

  • BlorScouser on June 25, 2011, 7:41 GMT

    Wishlist for the Annual Conference: 1. Introduce a qualifying tournament for world cups and provide adequate opportunities for top associates to regularly compete against full members. 2. Put the BCCI in their place and make the UDRS compulsory for all test and ODI series. 3. The ICC should fund the UDRS technology for countries which can't afford it. 4. Implement the cricket committees recommendations for the ODI format. Hope this isn't just wishful thinking.

  • moinilyasneral on June 25, 2011, 7:31 GMT

    Am totally with all countries(except India) about DRS being introduced for ALL ICC matches...and if BCCI do not like it, then they can pull out of ICC m'ship, which they will never do cause they also have large vested interests in being in ICC. Dhoni (who wants to make him a Lt. Col. for God's sake? Do Jharkhand think just because he has a "helicopter" shot, which is not helping him much now, he is Army material?) has himself said that Kohli and Raina out were wrong decisions..well there you are, if DRS was present, they may not have been !! As for PCB not being in favour of the new change to process of appointing it's president, well, tough luck..at least by this process Pak cricket will get a better prez. than it has now !!

  • harshalb on June 25, 2011, 6:33 GMT

    I am voting on behalf of BCCI - YES to DRS with snicko and hottie spottie

  • manjithakumara on June 25, 2011, 5:58 GMT

    DRS will surely be used after the voting. Only India is against this. India already have lost their neighbor support and many other cricketing nation support as well. So only at most, 1 or 2 nations will be against DRS which is great !!!

  • Mayhs on June 25, 2011, 5:30 GMT

    ICC should insist that DRS is applied across the board & majority decision should prevail, not the might of money. If BCCI wants to throw their weight about, then they should be constrained. The game is more important than individual Boards. Use of technology improves decision making even if it is only 80% to 90%. It is absurd to expect 100% at the beginning. Ofcourse there is continuous improvement & with the use of 'Hot Spot' & 'Snickometer' the decision making will be that much better. Let BCCI not be archaic & dumbheaded about this.

  • on June 25, 2011, 4:34 GMT

    India should adopt UDRS to avoid unfavorable decisions made by umpires

  • Blazedragon on June 25, 2011, 4:24 GMT

    lol Indians talk so big now because they are doing well. They weren't talking so big when they got knocked out by Bangladesh in the 1st round during the 07 world cup. Lets wait and see what happens in their series with England. All their big talk will go flying out the window if England beats them like they said they would.

  • skidmarks on June 25, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    why not have a 12 team competition where 2 associates join the test playing nations. 2 groups of 6 and the top 4 of each group go through, its then quarterfinal, semifinal and final, it gives everyone a chance.

  • on June 25, 2011, 3:34 GMT

    India pays for world cricket. Sponsors from India provide 90% of the revenue of ICC. Without India, Cricket is dead. India does not want UDRS. So there would be no UDRS. If you dont like it, too bad.

  • sanath007 on June 25, 2011, 2:55 GMT

    DRS for every game PLEASE. India come to your senses and agree to it...

  • King_Anish on June 25, 2011, 2:54 GMT

    Why people are talking like India and BCCI never want UDRS in? We are only against a system which is not 100% fault-free. Also many technologies at present are monopolized by some companies with lot of restrictions to movethem all around the globe. Had the UDRS be perfect, won't the BCCI buy it for IPL, having huge revenues available with them ? Also the current UDRS is not sane. Only 2-3 decisions can be challenged, giving the top 2-3 batsmen the luxury to use it up always. Also when a decision referred cannot be concluded conclusively, the referring teams loses a challenge, which is incorrect. The failure not having enough evidence on all reviews itself is a big drawback of current UDRS.

  • on June 25, 2011, 1:29 GMT

    Can they discuss having batting restrictions in limited overs cricket. Force the batsmen to retire after 10 overs in the middle or 4 in a 20twenty game (regardless of balls faced), then allow them to resume the innings if the side gets bowled out. I think that'd make the game much more interesting.

  • Amarjitmadan on June 25, 2011, 1:11 GMT

    What we need to understand is that BCCi are opposing it not due to their strong hold in ICC but because of loop holes in the existing procedures which should be sorted on priority.If both teams must agree and India have not the discussion they are within their rights.The efforts and focus should be to amend the constitution so that procedures proposed for betterment of the game are appreciated, supported and cleared.All cricket lovers would like to have games which provide very fair decisions for players.

  • adnanwhiz on June 25, 2011, 0:37 GMT

    Agreed...if the majority full members vote "YES" then DRS has to be there but only if Hawk Eye is included otherwise it's useless. ICC should fund it and have it in every series and every ODI and T20. Not pick and choose which ones to have it in. The Indian board and team need to suck it up and play with it. This Indian monopoly needs to end now !!!

  • Ravi13104 on June 25, 2011, 0:32 GMT

    ICC please vote for DRS. The WI ODIs and the first test provided enough reasons for Indian players to support DRS. The BCCI will come around to it soon.

  • dr.thirsty on June 24, 2011, 23:59 GMT

    For the WC we should use a similar system to football. Have 16 teams in 4 groups of 4 with seedings according to ICC rankings. Thus each group would draw a team ranked 1-4, a team ranked 5-8, another ranked 9-12 & the last ranked 13-16. The top 2 teams qualify with group winners playing runners-up of other groups in the QF's. You'd have 24 games at the group levels with 2 games each day = 12 days. For the knockouts have one a day, so 4 for the quarters, 2 for semis, 1 for 3rd place playoff & then the final. Throw in some rest days in the final stages & you have 32 games inside a month, with the top teams likely to progress from the groups. As for DRS, if a simple majority is required in the vote then it should pass (if it doesn't, we'll know who chickened out) & ICC should fund implementation. If a team still refuses to use it then fair enough, let the matches go ahead without DRS but with the caveat that it not be recognised as a Test match.

  • CricFan78 on June 24, 2011, 22:21 GMT

    I love the comments here. Test cricket has been played for 100+ yrs without DRS and it can continue to do so. Some people just need to get over anti-Indian paranoia on internet

  • on June 24, 2011, 22:10 GMT

    @pk_cric_rox While I completely agree with the assertion that BCCI is bull headed and blind sighted and obviously foolishly arrogant in opposing DRS, I cannot for the life of me understand your arguement. DRS is no way batcman favouring, both bowlers and batsmen have redemption chance through DRS if they think they have been meted injustice. The batsmen, if you think clearly are tad more in advantage than the bowlers because most of the time they know if they have nicked the ball or if the ball hit the bat before the pad and can get more decisions in their favor. BCCI is not Indian cricket team. You can hate the BCCI (and I can't blame you for that really) but it is a fallacy prpopogated by the BCCI that the Indian team is against DRS. Some players have actually spoken in favor and others can't to avoid antagonizing their powerful board.

  • pk_cric_rox on June 24, 2011, 21:45 GMT

    its not difficult to understand why india is the ONLY country to oppose DRS.they r a batting team n there seems to b no chance of them getting a few decent bowlers in near future.almost all da fav players of the nation r batsmen.so if an umpiriing blunder goes in their favor they get a better chance to win plus they get to see their favorite batsmen to play longer and if that blunder goes against them , they can always go on all websites n whine about how they lost or their star couldnt score :) its a win win situation for them.a bowler will bowl obviously as planned or as quota , without any influence of an umpiring blunder. so wat reason do indians have to support '' AN ERROR MINIMIZING TECHNOLOGY'' ??? BCCI is the only board refusing it n they think its expensive for other boards? since when BCCI started to care about others? n which board in world is poor?even today u dont get 100% correct stumps n runouts decisions coz of frames, y do u use third umpire then?

  • Stark62 on June 24, 2011, 21:28 GMT

    Rudi Koertzen Said "UDRS should be made compulsory".

    Now, if an elite umpire such as Rudi wants it then, why is Ind opposing it?

  • on June 24, 2011, 19:44 GMT

    I don't understand how India can choose not to play with the DRS. It sounds a bit like backyrad cricket when we used to aly down rules like "we dont play LBW". How does a team get to decide what procedures will be applicable to the game, surely the game decides that.

  • on June 24, 2011, 19:39 GMT

    I think most of the ppl here are not criticizing BCCI bcos of there decision of not using DRS but bcos they are jealous of there success or dominance over world cricket. Does anyone stops other counties to do so ? It was Aussie & English ppl before now its India, tomorrow it will be someone else. Regarding DRS .. without HotSpot DRS is usless. Hotspot is a great technology but very expensive & 6-7 out of 10 test playing nations can't afford it. Coming to Hawkeye, % of error depends on diameter of ball, which is 7% in cricket & 5% in Tennis. i,e Hawkeye is only 93% correct. Good Umpires like Aleem Dar & Simon Taufel have sucess rate of 96-97% without technology. So why to use technology which is more erroneous than umpires? ICC should better focus on developing better umpire rather than wasting money no technology which not everyone cab afford.

  • on June 24, 2011, 19:02 GMT

    DRS is must. It helps to overcome the umpire (human being) errors. Sudden decision may sometime goes wrong. So we've to support the latest techniques. If a umpire giving frequent wrong decision should get punishment as players are getting. More over, for umpire also certain rules for their wrong decision to be framed.

  • on June 24, 2011, 18:56 GMT

    I support technology.........In recent years standard of umpiring has not been upto mark. We have seen few umpires (not naming) have been officiating for decades but their performances were much more erratic. India was one of the most affected country. So BCCI should understand and support technology..

  • SnowSnake on June 24, 2011, 18:54 GMT

    There is so much misinformation that is going on here. First, hot spot technology was developed in France and Australia adopted it. I don't get why Aussies are claiming that they developed it and have sole ownership of this technology? I see this technology being used for last 20 years in the USA for tracking fugitives from helicopters. It is readily available and the only concern is its cost ($6,000/day). If BCCI wants hotspot then it will get it regardless of what Aussie think about its ownership. The question is about wanting the technology. France, USA are willing to supply the technology. There may be others available to supply it as well, and perhaps India may have technical expertise to develop it. The question is only who can afford it and not military secrecy.

  • on June 24, 2011, 18:34 GMT

    Its pretty amusing listening to BCCI's stance against DRS saying that its not 100% correct. Since umpires(human element) are not 100% correct and DRS(technology) is also not 100% correct I strongly believe that BCCI would soon come up with the suggestion of taking umpires out and placing robots on the ground with in-built halk eye, hot spot and snickometer and the robots will be supplied by a company jointly formed by Sharad Pawar, Shashank Manohar, N srinivasan and Ratnakar Shetty. Only that will ensure 100% correct decisions :)

  • CricketChat on June 24, 2011, 17:44 GMT

    BCCI, rest of cricketing world is watching in absolute horror about ur stupid stance of rejecting DRS. Anyone who refuses tech based on 1-2% wrong decisions are foolish. I hope the IPL bubble bursts so Ind authorities comes to senses and act rational.

  • couchpundit on June 24, 2011, 17:37 GMT

    @Naveed Khan - BCCI is actually developed and made good money too in its area of Authority(in India)...Its other Countries and their Political heads who are impeding their national cricket growth.

    BCCI is simply opposing DRS in current form... why is ICC Cricket commitee not making Hot Spot mandatory for all game? You know why.. Hot spot will not be available in vertain 3rd world countries(Case in point .. 2011 Worldcup, Hotspot providers said no because the technology might have to be used in Certain countries which might fall into wrong hands...) I dont have to say what they mean by it..do you get my point Naveed Khan?

  • couchpundit on June 24, 2011, 17:32 GMT

    @Arsalan Haider - > Although i support DRS...i am not able to accept your logic here.

    Why waste money on keeping imperfect umpires when you are so confident on imperfect Technology(corected yet to be perfected Technology)?

    Lets remove umpires and let the players look at big screen for Decision whenever they appeal.. what a day it would be LOL

  • on June 24, 2011, 17:22 GMT

    I feel there will be comprimise..........ICC will allow two associate nations......and including Ireland and Pakistan for 2015 ;) is not bad for the game. Before missiles start hurling at me ..you do realize I am kidding right. Anyway jokes apart..if Ireland and Afghanistan are allowed in Wcup it would not be bad...they r good teams.

  • Afta on June 24, 2011, 17:19 GMT

    I 've been reading lots of comments regarding the DRS for the past couple of days, and it seems India (BCCI) gets quite a bit of flak for its stubborness in refusing the DRS. Its proved beyond doubt that the DRS has eliminated a lot of human error and stands good. That is why the ICC is convinced that it should be implemented in all three formats. Even Geof Boycot believes so, but the problem is nobody wants to offend India cos of its MONEY MUSCLE.... The 2015 World Cup should have a total of 12 teams. 10 test playing countries (when Zimbabwe is included) and two qualifying from the associate members.

  • Herath-UK on June 24, 2011, 16:47 GMT

    Will the ICC be toothless again;DRS is a MUST.On the top of reasons given,it has led to harmony among the teams and given responsibility to the teams,if you think umpire's verdict is wrong you call reviews;there has to be a limit as for any matter,otherwise for every simple thing players will call a review and play will come to a standstill. Ranil Herath- Kent

  • on June 24, 2011, 16:23 GMT

    if the y really want to decrease the number of teams participating in the world cup... just conduct a better qualifuying tournament and take best out of the teams avialable than taking 6 or 8

  • lffuser2128 on June 24, 2011, 16:19 GMT

    lets see how much cricket can advance, make progress, or be anything less than Imperial Cricket club without the money from India, and BCCI.

  • NIT2222 on June 24, 2011, 16:14 GMT

    why icc should listen to bcci when there are other countires who willing for drs and India is just scared to use this DRS system so that their spinners wont get wicket always. I think ICC should make this DRS compulsory in Test and ODI which can even change the match situation and will bring more interest for matches. ICC should go for vote of maximum 6 countires vote to enable DRS. SHOULD NOT CANCEL IT JUST FOR BCCI. Its high time something that can show correct results be enabled and make matches more interesting.

  • Secunderabadi on June 24, 2011, 16:01 GMT

    Its should not be an opportunity for the umpires to relax with the UDRS being implemented. If a team appeals for a decision and UDRS shows they were right the umpire should be fined 10% of the match fee, where as if its the other way there should be a 10% of match fee charged on the appealing team.

  • yorkslanka on June 24, 2011, 15:56 GMT

    never mind both teams agreeing to use udrs, if one(india) doesnt want to use it, fine but their opposition should be allowed to use if they want and reap the benefits of doing so...the bcci need to realise that they form part of the world cricket community, not run it..If the icc werent so useless, that would be apparent to all...associates need to be in the world cup also and i hope that this is agreed at this meeting. in terms of test cricket, i dont understand why teams cant play using floodlights to prevent coming off for bad light and then losing time within the test

  • Alexk400 on June 24, 2011, 15:46 GMT

    Current DRS appeal system is wrong. You need people with view should appeal and remove any gamble/lottery associated with it. if players appeal , it is kinda blindman appeal and hope he gets lucky. Worst idea. Appeal system done by Coaches as they alwso view thegame in TV and have better view and they won't waste 2 appeal chances for judgemental call.

    That is only change i want it to be implemented.

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:45 GMT

    I agree with haider, Let's ban empires because they are not 100% with respect to their on field decisions.

    Only BCCI is 100% in every respect..

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:44 GMT

    BCCI is taking the advantage of their power

  • Alexk400 on June 24, 2011, 15:43 GMT

    I am Indian. I think BCCI currently run by cowards who are scared and run it its own demise. ICC has no backbone to stand against BCCI, ICC is a beggar. It is high time for ICC to say DRS should be in all matches. if not cancel the match.

  • m_kamb on June 24, 2011, 15:32 GMT

    JUST TELL ME HOW CAN U CALL A TEAM WORLD CHAMPIONS WHO WON WC BUT LOST TO ANY TEAM IN GROUP MATCHES

  • SteamRoller on June 24, 2011, 15:31 GMT

    @Jin1207 - I really appreciate you. You were seeing the positive thing when most of them were seeing only the negatives.(even I'm one among those who crib on BCCI for not giving a go-ahead on UDRS).

  • m_kamb on June 24, 2011, 15:31 GMT

    WORLDCUP SHOULD BE OF FORMAT LIKE GRAND SLAM OF TENNIS,I.E.EVERY MATCH KNOCK OUT MATCH,OTHERWISE ITS NOT VERY DIFFICULT TO WIN WC.

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:15 GMT

    well if only ten nations are going to included in cricket world cup then it is sure that the game is going to loose its status rather i believe the number of team should be increase to about 24 so may countries will get expose or there should be world cup for non test team like Afghanistan, Nepal and other countries . Other wise the game will suddenly loose its popularity. And the next thing about DRS system is that it is a wise step but it sounds so only when if there is enough systems i mean Like hot spot and all not only in Australia and england but to all part around the world.Come on lets keep cricket alive.

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:13 GMT

    group 1

    australia england new zealand Netherlands canada

    group 2

    india pakistan westendese kenya scotland

    group 3

    south africa sri lanka bangladesh zimbabwe ireland

  • cric-maestro on June 24, 2011, 15:12 GMT

    @Naveed khan : ohh i see , BCCI is stopping cricket's progress by not allowing pak players in IPL ...lol....btw wat is PCB doing (apart from fining players) ???

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:08 GMT

    I am not sure but BCCI has some points to oppose UDRS system, like first of all it follows HAWK EYES and BALL predictions, which is damn not even for on every pitch, like we will going to use same system in the matches, which play on INDIAN grounds and grounds like AUSTRALIA or NZ, pitches are totally different, so BCCI's point is first improve the system according to pitch's bounce and turn they force it to TEST/ODIs. Another point is cost of the system, it cost a board RS. 2,500,000 for one day game! So total cost for a test match will be RS.12,500,000 which is $300,000 approx! It's OK for board like INDIA which has 75% of revenue of world cricket but what about boards like PAKISTAN, WI, BANGLADESH & SRILANKA? think over THESE POINTS & KINDLY REPLY if i am wrong anywhere.

  • Mephistopheles01 on June 24, 2011, 15:06 GMT

    Dead on Naveed Khan, thats exactly what they are doing. Anyone know how the DRS voting system works? Is it straight up democracy or is unanimous necessary?

  • m_ilind on June 24, 2011, 15:05 GMT

    Not having DRS does not put any team at a disadvantage! It is still a fair playing ground without the DRS! Trust the umpires to make the right decisions! As always, benefit of doubt should go to the batsman! The DRS can overturn an on field umpire's decision only if there is conclusive evidence based on technology. Hence, the arguement by BCCI against DRS that it is not 100% error free.

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:03 GMT

    Only scarred people oppose development and growth. Indians are scarred that the wrong umpiring decisions that are favorable to them might be successfully challenged by the opponents using UDRS.

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:48 GMT

    I can suggest a best format for world cup.. -make three groups with 5 teams each -top 2 frm each group qualifies for super six -In super six everyone plays each other n top four qualifies for play ofs or semi final.. -total matches 30+15+3+1=49 matches

    Benefits -there will be more competitive matches -minnows also hv opportunity in a big stage -unlike 2007 format there will be 4 matches in group stages so better team has the chance to cum back after any bad game... -49 matches can easily be completed in 1 month..

  • HarshalBaviskar on June 24, 2011, 14:45 GMT

    @Quazar I agree with you. I work on probabilistic technologies for my bread and butter. Just one or two companies coming up with ball tracking technology certifies its immaturity. What ICC should do is: open up the database of LBW and appeals recordings. Throw up an open contest. Let companies compete with their software in such a transparent contest. Choose the winner on the basis of accuracy of results and award contract on annual basis for ball tracking till, say, next year's contest. This will incentives companies to work on algorithm rather than lobbying.

  • fazald on June 24, 2011, 14:42 GMT

    If India refuses to play the game according to the rules of the governing body the ICC and the the rest of the countries who are in favour of the DRS then there's no other alternative but to kick them out. India has only just started to make it's mark in world cricket after languishing in the wilderness all these years via the IPL luring cricketers from around the world with big money. At the same time they are destabilising other overseas teams by robbing their players to play for them rather than for their country as in the case of Malinga.They are also getting their young cricketers early exposure to international cricket by rubbing shoulders with international stars. They know they can dictate terms to the ICC because other teams around the Indian sub-continent will always come to their aid whether they like it or not for their money.How did world cricket survive all these years? It's no more a gentleman's game but just another way of making a fast buck.

  • rajithwijepura on June 24, 2011, 14:42 GMT

    wake up ICC. Dont let one country or cricket board to control the game of cricket. Make DRS mandatory for all forms of the cricket

  • shery2floyd on June 24, 2011, 14:35 GMT

    For DRS to be implemented, ICC has to make it pack containing hawk eye, hot spot and snickomenter and should own this pack (buy/lease from private companies) and make it mandatory for all test games. it cant be selectively implemented like what happened in world cup. neither it should be left to choice of associations. Also border calls , one which is categorized as "onfield umpire calls" should nt be counted as failed reviews. if so 2 reviews wont be enough. Otherwise, you are unnecessary complicating life of captains/cricket players because of inadequacy of technology to minimize tolerance levels and incapability of umpires.

  • JavagalSrinath on June 24, 2011, 14:27 GMT

    If BCCI does not accept DRS, for every wrong decision made, BCCI should be asked to pay 100 thousand dollars to development of cricket fund, so that this money can be used by ICC to develop better software's for review system, to provide lucrative bonus to umpires when they don't make wrong decision. In case DRS makes a wrong decision then BCCI should get a 100 thousand dollars for that decision.

  • ulmo on June 24, 2011, 14:13 GMT

    With respect to DRS system I think the BCCI have got it wrong. I am an Indian supporter but in this case I think being conservative and resisting change is futile. Cricket is going to get DRS system sooner or later. Here is why I am in favor of the DRS system even if its not 100% accurate. What we need here is consistency more than accuracy. Accuracy is great if you can get it but consistency is more important. So if there is going to be an error the error is committed for both teams which means both teams have a level playing field. And once you know that you are going to be given out consistently a certain way, human beings adapt. It is inconsistency which is the bane of sports. And human umpires can be inconsistent. So an umpire gives a batsmen LBW when team 1 is batting. Its an howler. Then he gets cautious which means the team 2 benefits from the mistake. Anyway before some points out howlers arent good. UDRS does not make any howlers.

  • on June 24, 2011, 13:34 GMT

    BCCI aren't willing to use DRS because the system is not 100 % correct. So why they are using umpires , Are they 100% correct all the time.? @Rajeev u said . "Can Any body guarantee that the UDRS is fair to both the teams in the whole match with just 2 reviews available?" Its not that you have only 2 reviews available. Its that you 2 chances for wrong review calls. If you have used your reviews for the wrong calls and you don't have more reviews left. Its not the mistake of the DRS system. Its mistake by whom it was appealed.

  • on June 24, 2011, 13:27 GMT

    I wish the best for cricket!

  • Jim1207 on June 24, 2011, 13:20 GMT

    ICC president, an Indian, is the only person who wants associates like Ireland to be included in world cup. Does anyone praise BCCI for this while all other countries were happy with earlier ICC decision of removing associates and did not even question about that? BCCI is not influencing anyone. If BCCI has to be outnumbered, associate nations would not play for next 2 world cups. Is everyone fine with that? Just because BCCI opposes DRS, it has not become evil. It's people minds which think wrongly because of media focussing BCCI as an evil organization. Those who criticize should also learn to appreciate.

  • on June 24, 2011, 13:17 GMT

    BCCI is regressing Cricket. It is making Cricket Political, Immoral, Debauch and Racist. BCCI is the main obstacle to Cricket's progress.

  • diehardcricketfan3 on June 24, 2011, 13:11 GMT

    icc should try to increase the number of teams participating in world cup... or should maintain the 2011 format with 14 teams in two groups.... icc should not decrease the number of teams to 10.... it is a very poor decision

  • couchpundit on June 24, 2011, 13:05 GMT

    Make Hotspot and snickometer mandatory for DRS...then you would be able to push BCCI to the edge. Otherwise chances are you aging to hit a wall.

  • diehardcricketfan3 on June 24, 2011, 13:04 GMT

    World cup 2015 should be held with associate nations.... then only it should create interests about cricket for more peoples in associate nations

  • diehardcricketfan3 on June 24, 2011, 13:02 GMT

    cricket world cup 2015 should be a 16 team world cup... and the format should be the same in 2007 world cup in westindies

  • correctcall on June 24, 2011, 12:56 GMT

    Suspect UDRS vote will be a close call - given BCCI recent snubs is it likely that Sri Lanka and Pakistan will join England, NZ and Aus in the affirmative? If they do it only needs one of South Africa or WI to also see the light. Do not hold out any hope of Zimbabwe or Bangladesh standing up and being counted. Cricket needs to hold its breath and hope that logic sanity will prevail. Such concepts in the ICC are not always on show. These countries all need to look at the outburst over umpiring standards from Indian the players after the WI test that ended yesterday. It does cricket and its spirit no good at all. UDRS will all but eliminate such a bad look.

  • Munkeymomo on June 24, 2011, 12:49 GMT

    @Rejeev it isn't 100% lottery at all! You have 2 reviews, you waste them, you lose them! Simple! I don't think you should lose a review if you get one wrong which is say, clipping the stumps or any of those 'stay with the onfield umpire' decisions though, its unfair when you lose a review for a ball that would have clipped the stumps.

  • Usmanaftab24 on June 24, 2011, 12:46 GMT

    Can somebody explain logically the reasons behind BCCI's continued resistance to the DRS? I don't see a reason why DRS shouldn't be applied across forms of the game

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:38 GMT

    I am Indian , but i seriously think the UDRS should be made mandatory for all test series atleast. Its always good to bring technology into the game.

  • World-Champs-TEAM-INDIA on June 24, 2011, 12:23 GMT

    @popcorn , i cant stop laughing. Look , in icc events 90% sponsors are from india. If india makes an early exit (like 2007 wc) the tournament is a flop. And that is the case in every thing. And let me tell you, if BCCI doesn't want UDRS , then no one in the world can force them , not even ICC. Mark my words.

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:11 GMT

    @ popcorn member countries like Australia, England, South Africa,New Zealand have already been put in its place by the bcci if australia & england dominated the world cricket in d past now its india's turn so stop barking abt it. racist john howard has already been shown his place.

  • loveNpeace on June 24, 2011, 11:52 GMT

    i hope Indians decision will be out number by other cricketing nations. so at least BCCI will know that there are some areas in cricket that they cannot influence alone. hope BCCI will understand this and join hand with ICC to make the cricketing world a better place

  • just_Test_lover on June 24, 2011, 11:28 GMT

    best decisions yet! ICC. Pro DRS and qualification proccess like soccer! But maybe room for 16 teams. With an American, NZ, Australia block (Australia, NZ and WI and 5 emerging teams) 5 Spaces

    Asia Block (SL, India, Pak Bang, Plus top 4 emerging Asian teams) 5 Spaces

    Africa Europe block top 4 of each. (SA, Zim, Kenya and England plus 4 Emerging teams.) 6 Space

  • on June 24, 2011, 10:54 GMT

    Its an ICC confrence.. I dont expect much to come out of it...

  • RajeevAlukkal on June 24, 2011, 10:30 GMT

    I think if every body is that keen on using technology, remove the onfield umpires. Let the TV umpire make all decisions which means 100% of the match is fair. Under UDRS system, its about fortune. If u r lucky, u get to use review for all 50 overs of ODI. If u aren't lucky, u have finished using reviews in first 10 overs which gives opp. team advantage for next 40 overs. Same case in Tests. That's not fair. And that's why BCCI is opposing it. They want 100% of the match to be fair to both the sides. How can you say UDRS is fair. Its just 100% LOTTERY. Can Any body guarantee that the UDRS is fair to both the teams in the whole match with just 2 reviews available?

  • popcorn on June 24, 2011, 10:13 GMT

    Geoff Boycott has given an excellent suggestion. Member countries like Australia, England, South Africa,New Zealand should boycott India.What financial clout are the member countries worried about? India dioes not fund Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand for their Tests,ODIs,T20 competitions. India must be shown the door, enough is enough. India are ruining the progress of Cricket. No more mollycoddlinng. If they cdon't play ball, throw them out of ICC. I wishJohn Howard would have been inducted. He would have put India in its place.Let's see whether Kiwi Isaac has any guts.

  • on June 24, 2011, 10:06 GMT

    Lets hope india's opposition to DRS gets outnumbered...

  • Quazar on June 24, 2011, 9:39 GMT

    Thankfully, it seems like the qualification stage for the 2015 WC will indeed be introduced. As for the DRS, if it becomes mandatory, they should insist on HotSpot everywhere in the world (and pay for it!)... it's silly that the less accurate (and more contentious) Hawkeye is mandatory everywhere, but the more accurate HotSpot isn't.

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  • Quazar on June 24, 2011, 9:39 GMT

    Thankfully, it seems like the qualification stage for the 2015 WC will indeed be introduced. As for the DRS, if it becomes mandatory, they should insist on HotSpot everywhere in the world (and pay for it!)... it's silly that the less accurate (and more contentious) Hawkeye is mandatory everywhere, but the more accurate HotSpot isn't.

  • on June 24, 2011, 10:06 GMT

    Lets hope india's opposition to DRS gets outnumbered...

  • popcorn on June 24, 2011, 10:13 GMT

    Geoff Boycott has given an excellent suggestion. Member countries like Australia, England, South Africa,New Zealand should boycott India.What financial clout are the member countries worried about? India dioes not fund Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand for their Tests,ODIs,T20 competitions. India must be shown the door, enough is enough. India are ruining the progress of Cricket. No more mollycoddlinng. If they cdon't play ball, throw them out of ICC. I wishJohn Howard would have been inducted. He would have put India in its place.Let's see whether Kiwi Isaac has any guts.

  • RajeevAlukkal on June 24, 2011, 10:30 GMT

    I think if every body is that keen on using technology, remove the onfield umpires. Let the TV umpire make all decisions which means 100% of the match is fair. Under UDRS system, its about fortune. If u r lucky, u get to use review for all 50 overs of ODI. If u aren't lucky, u have finished using reviews in first 10 overs which gives opp. team advantage for next 40 overs. Same case in Tests. That's not fair. And that's why BCCI is opposing it. They want 100% of the match to be fair to both the sides. How can you say UDRS is fair. Its just 100% LOTTERY. Can Any body guarantee that the UDRS is fair to both the teams in the whole match with just 2 reviews available?

  • on June 24, 2011, 10:54 GMT

    Its an ICC confrence.. I dont expect much to come out of it...

  • just_Test_lover on June 24, 2011, 11:28 GMT

    best decisions yet! ICC. Pro DRS and qualification proccess like soccer! But maybe room for 16 teams. With an American, NZ, Australia block (Australia, NZ and WI and 5 emerging teams) 5 Spaces

    Asia Block (SL, India, Pak Bang, Plus top 4 emerging Asian teams) 5 Spaces

    Africa Europe block top 4 of each. (SA, Zim, Kenya and England plus 4 Emerging teams.) 6 Space

  • loveNpeace on June 24, 2011, 11:52 GMT

    i hope Indians decision will be out number by other cricketing nations. so at least BCCI will know that there are some areas in cricket that they cannot influence alone. hope BCCI will understand this and join hand with ICC to make the cricketing world a better place

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:11 GMT

    @ popcorn member countries like Australia, England, South Africa,New Zealand have already been put in its place by the bcci if australia & england dominated the world cricket in d past now its india's turn so stop barking abt it. racist john howard has already been shown his place.

  • World-Champs-TEAM-INDIA on June 24, 2011, 12:23 GMT

    @popcorn , i cant stop laughing. Look , in icc events 90% sponsors are from india. If india makes an early exit (like 2007 wc) the tournament is a flop. And that is the case in every thing. And let me tell you, if BCCI doesn't want UDRS , then no one in the world can force them , not even ICC. Mark my words.

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:38 GMT

    I am Indian , but i seriously think the UDRS should be made mandatory for all test series atleast. Its always good to bring technology into the game.