England v India, 5th Investec Test, The Oval August 14, 2014

India hope for final twist

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Match facts

August 15-19, 2014
Start time 1100 (1000 GMT)

Big Picture

Rarely has a Test series flipped so abruptly. After the second Test at Lord's, India were hailed as a more resilient version, finally capable under the enlightened leadership of MS Dhoni of competing over five days outside Asia. As for England, Alastair Cook's captaincy was vociferously condemned and a new leadership group, from the coach, Peter Moores, to the national selector, James Whitaker, were desperately seeking any form of consolation.

Two Tests later and the final stage in this Investec Test series has taken on an entirely different complexion. India's team selection has been strange, resilient is the last word that would be used to describe their pitiful batting display in the second innings at Old Trafford and it is Dhoni's wicketkeeping and tactics that are now under scrutiny with his side 2-1 down with one to play.

As for Cook, respect for the way he stuck things out at the Ageas Bowl when the going was tough has blossomed into a general acceptance that his inner steel makes him England's obvious leader in Test cricket for years to come. How could we ever have thought any differently?

Devotees of momentum can only conclude that the series is as good as over. But The Oval is not a bad place for India to make their last stand. The pitch will lack the pace of Old Trafford and England's new-ball bowlers, James Anderson and Stuart Broad, have already shouldered a heavy burden. India's campaign against Anderson, though, has given them extra determination to see it through.

Form guide

England: WWLDL
India: LLWDD

Players to watch

Initial descriptions of Stuart Broad's protective covering after his nose was broken by a Varun Aaron bouncer at Old Trafford made it sound as if he would be wearing some kind of fearsome Promethean face mask. Sadly, that is not quite the case, although he will wear a nose splint to disguise the temporary damage to his boy-band countenance and after coming through a net session in good order he will be in the mood for some heavy chords.

India's thoughts will centre once more on Virat Kohli. For such a feted player to fail so abysmally has been the turn-up of the series. This should have been the series in which he proved his class. Instead, Anderson has unpicked him with ease and he has still to pass 50 in eight attempts. He has one final chance to respond.

Team news

A fast, bouncy pitch in south London might have been enough to win Steven Finn a Test recall, but those days have long gone and expectations are that England will retain the side that won so impressively inside three days at Old Trafford. Finn joined up with England after taking four wickets for the Lions against Sri Lanka A, but they were expensive wickets and his display was not quite as impressive as some reports made out.

England (probable) 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Sam Robson, 3 Gary Ballance, 4 Ian Bell, 5 Joe Root, 6 Moeen Ali, 7 Jos Buttler, 8 Chris Woakes, 9 Chris Jordan, 10 Stuart Broad, 11 James Anderson.

After being ruled out of the last two Tests with a leg injury, Ishant Sharma, hero of their victory in the second Test at Lord's, could return in place of Pankaj Singh, whose popularity has been in inverse proportion to his wickets. Gautam Gambhir looks set to keep the opening slot. Stuart Binny cannot be entirely discounted as a possible replacement for Ravindra Jadeja.

India (probable) 1 Murali Vijay, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Cheteshwar Pujara, 4 Virat Kohli, 5 Ajinkya Rahane, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 Ravindra Jadeja/Stuart Binny, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 10 Varun Aaron, 11 Ishant Sharma.

Pitch and conditions

England's hot spell has departed, temporarily at least, and temperatures are expected to hover around 20C throughout the Test. There could be a shower or two on Friday, but generally the outlook is cool, dry and at times breezy. Half of the pitches at The Oval have been dug up to encourage more pace, but the Test pitch remains on the old part of the square and should be a blessing for India after their inability to handle the pace and bounce of Old Trafford.

Stats and trivia

  • Anderson needs eight wickets to overtake Ian Botham's England record of 383 Test victims. He already has 21 wickets in the series.

  • Kohli's run of eight innings without a fifty since his unbeaten hundred against New Zealand in Wellington is the worst run in his 28-Test career.

  • Stuart Boad tweeted pictures of the super villain Bane as options for a face mask he could wear to protect his broken nose. Bane is known as "The Man Who Broke The Bat", which would seem appropriate, except that refers to Batman, not cricket bats, and anyway Bane took so many illegal substances to achieve his strength that Broad would only fail a drugs test.

Quotes

"We saw last week the guts and determination Jimmy showed when he was not well. That was extraordinary and that tells everyone what a bloke he is. And to back that up with his talent and skill means he is a very, very talented cricketer."
Alastair Cook ladles on the praise for James Anderson

"It's never that the result is more important than the process. It is always the process that will be the key because it puts less pressure on the team. It is an important Test match but at the same time still it is the breaking up of the sessions that matters because that will give us an advantage. So we will still be looking more into the process than the result."
MS Dhoni won't be changing his approach with India 2-1 down

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • on August 16, 2014, 6:50 GMT

    Will India review the DRS system now, the series could look so different, time to embrace

  • on August 15, 2014, 16:03 GMT

    The PROCESS of the procession back to the dressing room continued unabated, till its founder-father put a temporary halt to it! Moral: PROCESS works!

  • on August 15, 2014, 13:23 GMT

    gambir lack of foot movement and lack of trigger movement while leaving balls, pujara and kohli short of confidence , rahane complacency of shot making, including vijay all batsmen lack of patience and inability to play as per their strengths are the highlights of oval test session one so far. .horrendous team selection and batting failure 3-1 series on cards..disgraceful. .

  • on August 15, 2014, 11:13 GMT

    anyways binny selection could bring some luck indeed hope so as happened in first two tests!! optimism at its peak!!

  • on August 15, 2014, 10:36 GMT

    gambhir has gone.... .!!!!!

  • on August 15, 2014, 10:32 GMT

    No jadeja woo hoo yes

  • y4yoga on August 15, 2014, 10:21 GMT

    Poor team selection once again, If Binny is selected as a extra batsmen, Rohit is the one should be selected, if Binny is selected as extra bowler then Ishawar should be selected, anyway Biny is not going to get the ball within the 1st 30 overs , after that he merely gets a couple of overs where he gives batsmen some breathing and runs, and then will remain as a fielder for the res of the test,

  • raju535482 on August 15, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    India Should play Rohit sharma. he is an opener... he should be replaced with gambhir and he should open with Murali vijay. gambhir struggles againts short deliveries on other hand rohit has control over short deliveries. drop jadeja.. and replace him with Ashwin. drop pankaj and replace him with Ishant and

    i don't understand that.. if indian team has fast bowlers like.. Zaheer(lethal with swing+med. pace+line control),Umesh(lethal with pace+swing+line),Munaf(superb line control+extra bounce) then why Indian selectors are ignoring them?? and includes inexperienced bowlers/uncapped players.

    we know what zaheer can do with ball?? Umesh has done superb in Australia in... his 5 wicket haul in perth test vs AUS and recent champions trophy performance. Munaf has done superb job on fast n bouncy pitch.. He removed Aamla in single digit scores in many times VS RSA 2013 series.

  • on August 15, 2014, 10:17 GMT

    @Siddhant, agree with ever word of your's. Rohit is this team's best batsman. It's not me, even Kohli says that. Unfortunately, people who don't know test cricket criticise and ridicule him far too much. These are the people who want the Jadeja's and Binny's in the team(nothing against Binny though). One of the important things you ask when selecting a player is do you see him playing for 10-12 years. If given proper chance and motivation, Rphit can not only do that, But Captain India for a good 5-6 years(Like with Sachin, I dont want Kohli to captain)

  • on August 15, 2014, 10:14 GMT

    Should have played Finn. Then again why change a winning team

  • on August 16, 2014, 6:50 GMT

    Will India review the DRS system now, the series could look so different, time to embrace

  • on August 15, 2014, 16:03 GMT

    The PROCESS of the procession back to the dressing room continued unabated, till its founder-father put a temporary halt to it! Moral: PROCESS works!

  • on August 15, 2014, 13:23 GMT

    gambir lack of foot movement and lack of trigger movement while leaving balls, pujara and kohli short of confidence , rahane complacency of shot making, including vijay all batsmen lack of patience and inability to play as per their strengths are the highlights of oval test session one so far. .horrendous team selection and batting failure 3-1 series on cards..disgraceful. .

  • on August 15, 2014, 11:13 GMT

    anyways binny selection could bring some luck indeed hope so as happened in first two tests!! optimism at its peak!!

  • on August 15, 2014, 10:36 GMT

    gambhir has gone.... .!!!!!

  • on August 15, 2014, 10:32 GMT

    No jadeja woo hoo yes

  • y4yoga on August 15, 2014, 10:21 GMT

    Poor team selection once again, If Binny is selected as a extra batsmen, Rohit is the one should be selected, if Binny is selected as extra bowler then Ishawar should be selected, anyway Biny is not going to get the ball within the 1st 30 overs , after that he merely gets a couple of overs where he gives batsmen some breathing and runs, and then will remain as a fielder for the res of the test,

  • raju535482 on August 15, 2014, 10:19 GMT

    India Should play Rohit sharma. he is an opener... he should be replaced with gambhir and he should open with Murali vijay. gambhir struggles againts short deliveries on other hand rohit has control over short deliveries. drop jadeja.. and replace him with Ashwin. drop pankaj and replace him with Ishant and

    i don't understand that.. if indian team has fast bowlers like.. Zaheer(lethal with swing+med. pace+line control),Umesh(lethal with pace+swing+line),Munaf(superb line control+extra bounce) then why Indian selectors are ignoring them?? and includes inexperienced bowlers/uncapped players.

    we know what zaheer can do with ball?? Umesh has done superb in Australia in... his 5 wicket haul in perth test vs AUS and recent champions trophy performance. Munaf has done superb job on fast n bouncy pitch.. He removed Aamla in single digit scores in many times VS RSA 2013 series.

  • on August 15, 2014, 10:17 GMT

    @Siddhant, agree with ever word of your's. Rohit is this team's best batsman. It's not me, even Kohli says that. Unfortunately, people who don't know test cricket criticise and ridicule him far too much. These are the people who want the Jadeja's and Binny's in the team(nothing against Binny though). One of the important things you ask when selecting a player is do you see him playing for 10-12 years. If given proper chance and motivation, Rphit can not only do that, But Captain India for a good 5-6 years(Like with Sachin, I dont want Kohli to captain)

  • on August 15, 2014, 10:14 GMT

    Should have played Finn. Then again why change a winning team

  • ShanNachimuthu on August 15, 2014, 10:12 GMT

    Going with five bowlers, I see some positive approach by Dhoni. I am happy with the team selection. Guys, Go and enjoy your cricket. Fight one session at a time. Aim to win sessions. First hour is crucial. Anyway win or loss I am happy with Dhoni's intent. Good luck, Team India.

  • PeerieTrow on August 15, 2014, 10:01 GMT

    @spinkingKK: I think your language is a tad extreme; I haven't detected anyone saying they "hate" Jadeja. I think you're misinterpreting the disappointment of Indian posters, and their accurate statements that he's not good enough to pay test cricket for India. Personally, I don't think he's good enough to get into an English county team. As an English fan, however, I'm perfectly content with the fact that Dhoni insists on playing him.

  • paapam on August 15, 2014, 9:54 GMT

    What Dhoni means is that India is in the process of losing again!

  • on August 15, 2014, 9:50 GMT

    In the comment sections, everyone becomes a selectors and put their own team.. LOL

  • JG2704 on August 15, 2014, 9:44 GMT

    @ wapuser on (August 15, 2014, 8:44 GMT) Does Rohit come in for Gambhir and open or who should he come in for ...

  • spinkingKK on August 15, 2014, 9:23 GMT

    I don't know why everybody hates Jadeja. I think India should play him if they are going to play a spinner. Jadeja was more effective than Ashwin in the bowling. May be Ashwin better in the batting (It is supposed to be the other way around, I know). I never used to support him, because he came in place of a real quality all-rounder in Irfan Pathan. But, now, with nobody else around, I will pick him in my playing 11 as the lone spinner. His fielding (not catching) is a plus and his guts in batting can come as a bonus. He is a strong character and a strong man. That can have a positive effect on the whole team.

  • vijayNaidu on August 15, 2014, 9:21 GMT

    Well it's an another match of an entertainment. Indians have a chance to level the series if they win this. India will have to win the match so better drop the Jadeja and replace him with Ishwar Pandey & drop Pankaj Singh and replace with Ishanth. So Total of 5 batsman + 1 wicket keeper + 1 Spin all-rounder + 4 seam bowlers.

    This is best team to go and win the match against any side if every body perform well I mean to say the combination of team.

    India (probable): 1) Vijay 2) Gambhir 3) Pujara 4) Rahane 5) Kohli 6) Dhoni 7) Ashwin 8) Bhuvaneshwar 9) Varun 10) Ishanth 11) Ishwar Pandey

  • on August 15, 2014, 9:01 GMT

    This team lineup ll do better for India >>Mvijay, s.dhawan, gambir,rohit, pujara, rahane,dhoni,ashwin,Isharma,Bkumar,Shami(vAron) :)

  • on August 15, 2014, 8:53 GMT

    People always backs the specialist opener but my qustion is what the specialist are doing... They r failing against new ball.. And thats why kohli pujara r facing new ball n getting out.. I want rohit as opener.. He has the ability to stay at crease against the new ball.. All we have seen in odi as well that he starts very carefully and then go after the ball and then kohli nd others get full use of old ball nd scores so many runs

  • on August 15, 2014, 8:51 GMT

    dhoni's tacticts as test captain are not working so india need to take a gamble by appointing gambhir(irrespective of his batting form) as new test captain

  • Indian_1982 on August 15, 2014, 8:47 GMT

    Its disgusting to hear this word "PROCESS" from Dhoni time and again. Wonder whether our team follows the same "PROCESS" every single time despite repeated failures, or whether it simply fails irrespective of the "PROCESS" it follows.

    The "PROCESS" of implementing the "PROCESS" is definitely not working for Team India. I wish Dhoni/Fletcher's system could "PROCESS" this piece of data accurately sooner rather than later.

  • on August 15, 2014, 8:44 GMT

    Rohit sharma must be included in this match ... He has got only one chance and should get another considering the others are failing consistantly.. Kohli pujara jadeja played in all matches but i hv strong feeling had rohit played all these matches result would hv been different.. Try rohit as opener remember he has ability to play long and not forget he hits a double century in odi so why not in test.. He can do it

  • on August 15, 2014, 8:43 GMT

    The Team should be: 1) Vijay 2) Ashwin 3) Pujara 4) Rohit 5) Kohli 6) Dhoni (as batsman) 7) Saha (as keeper) 8) Binny 9) Bhuvaneshwar 10) Varun 11) Ishanth

  • Jimi01 on August 15, 2014, 8:41 GMT

    @crzcric. I really hope you're joking, India can only play IPL and that's it, nothing else. Even in IPL the star performers are always overseas players.

  • job_eapen on August 15, 2014, 8:38 GMT

    India XI should be 1.) Murali Vijay 2.) Chetashwar Pujara 3.) Virat Kohli 4.) Ajinkya Rahane 5.) M S Dhoni 6.) Rohit Sharma 7.) Ravichandran Ashwn 8.) Bhuvaneshwar Kumar 9.) Ravindra Jadeja 10.) Ishant Sharma 11.) Varun Aaron

    If needed then we can swap between Rahane and Pujara.

    Its not good to drop Jadeja, bcoz nobody never knows when he might come in handy he has that quality about him or so I feel.

    Varun Aaron is a must.

    Ishant Sharma if he is fit he should be and will the first choice, If he is not there then its better to give Ishwar Pandey a chance.

    Gambhir is not in any good form its the same like going in with an out of form Sikhar Dhawan . Its not gonna make any difference. So its better to go in with Pujara or Rahane as opening partner for Vijay.

    Its high time that India perform well in this match and make the series level..!!

    Happy Independence Day boys... #INDIAN #proud #bleedblue

  • on August 15, 2014, 8:19 GMT

    Rohit Sharma has a higher Test as well as First Class average than Virat Kohli. Even in this series, Rohit Sharma has higher average than Virat Kohli. Yet, Sharma is dropped after one failure while Kohli is still persisted with after four failures.

    Why is Kohli treated as a second Sachin while his Test as well as First Class records are average? On the other hand, Rohit Sharma is treated as an IPL player despite his average of almost 50 in Test cricket and almost 60 in First Class. Why this discrimination? What process dictates that exploits in ODIs and T20s should dictate selection in Tests?

    Moral of the story: Drop Kohli and bring back Sharma

  • crzcric on August 15, 2014, 8:15 GMT

    India has the best batting line up, Best captain, Best Bowling lineup and best fielders. Plz don't argue

  • on August 15, 2014, 8:06 GMT

    ashwin should open innings for india wid vijay

  • on August 15, 2014, 8:03 GMT

    if India is able to atleast draw the match, surely I'll walk with my head upside down. Batting will once again let India down. it'll be like 1/28, 2/54, 3/66, 4/108, 5/156, 6/178, 7/180, 8/188, 9/191, 10/191. The 2nd innings will read 1/6 2/27,3/44,4/56,5/78,6/101,7/160,8/166,9/189,10/196. India beaten by innings and 198 runs inside four days.lol

  • on August 15, 2014, 7:45 GMT

    If India were to win this test, then we need to look at the comments column.

  • on August 15, 2014, 7:42 GMT

    rohit sharma and michael hussey are very alike. that means they play to build partnership and put their teams well ahead by building partnership. lets not forget rohit sharma against west indies, india were in worst position 85/6, pujara,kohli,vijay,shikhar, dhoni everyone had failed it was rohit who build partnership with shami and ashwin to put india in a commanding position. people criticized rohit for playing that lofted shot against moen ali and getting out but had rohit been successful while playing that shot, moen ali would not have become such a dangerous bowler. For me that was a series decider shot. rohit sharma is fabulous player. he is not going to play only to make his batting average look good but he will play to build partnership, to give india victories no matter where. we should loose such kind of player just by looking his batting averages in paper. understand the game and see what rohit has brought to the game.

  • Siva_Bala75 on August 15, 2014, 7:29 GMT

    Ashwin- Can he open? Why not? India should try this out seriously. If he succeeds, it opens up a lot of options for Dhoni.

  • Karthik_Jay_Cricket on August 15, 2014, 7:24 GMT

    The team to look forward to win the match Vijay(opening), Rahane(openinig), Pujara(3),Ojha(4) , Kohl(5), Ashwin(7), Dhoni(6), Bhuv(8)i, Jadeja, Ishant, Varun

  • Karthik_Jay_Cricket on August 15, 2014, 7:20 GMT

    India lost the 2 tests 80% because of batsmen failure. To win this test this has to change. when India put-up enough runs on the board, then pressure will be on England. Most important 50-100 for 1 or 2 wickets in the first 30-40 overs is the direction to move forward. Lets see how it progress.

  • on August 15, 2014, 7:11 GMT

    Three case-lets on PROCESS:

    1. A student followed all the processes of studying, as prescribed by his teachers. But failed the exams. He just didn't have the stuff!

    2. A teenager followed all the processes of wooing a girl. But she din't show any response. He wasn't good enough for her.

    3. A surgeon came out of the operation theater and announced quite clinically, "The operation was successful, but the patient died".

    As a management teacher, I had followed the case method of learning propagated by my Alma Mater HBS, quite successfully for several decades. I suggest Dhoni & Fletcher may try to use these nano case-lets for discussion in their team meetings. Best of luck. :-)

  • kkk999 on August 15, 2014, 7:05 GMT

    all u people talking about dropping kohli pujara and stuff... y don't ul understand that india test team especiallythe batting is still at a developing stage... about jus 2/3 years has passed since the retirement of the fab 4 ... and india doesn't tour England Australia every year... they hv failed in these tours juz once and people crictcizing them.... once upon a time even after shane warne retired from tests Australia struggled to find a decent spinner for about 4 years since lyon came into the scene...prior to that u can see how much their ranking dipped after almost losin all series in subcontinent aswell as the ashes.. -so I yhink eople should relax...they ll definetly become classy players in a years time

  • on August 15, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    Dhoni ,Match starting on our independence day. So pl. get Independence from English by defeating them.Pl. drop Jadeja & bring in Binny or Eshwar Pandey.

  • y4yoga on August 15, 2014, 7:02 GMT

    Just for fun.......Broad took 6 wickets in 1st Innings, India don't want to face him again, so they broke Broad, but Anderson and Moen did the job, so now Broke Anderseon and Moen, Jobs done, why thinking of whom to bring in and out, simple

  • SL_Fan1986 on August 15, 2014, 7:00 GMT

    Its England again 1 - 3 & will be a 3 day match.

  • amzadr on August 15, 2014, 7:00 GMT

    whats wrong with dhoni...Dhawan was given 3 tests ...the other top 5 batsmen were given all the tests...some kind of politics...my likely XI (which wont be im sure) Vijay, Rahane, Pujara, Rohit, Kohli, Ashwin, Dhoni, Bhuvi, Jadeja, Ishant, Varun

  • on August 15, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    @_-Will-_ on (August 15, 2014, 6:34 GMT)

    Yes, I fully share your sentiments. That is why, I often try to be here, fully knowing that the decision makers don't care to read them. Often, it is quite a release!

  • on August 15, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    India still hasn't recognized the potential of their best young batsman...

  • JAHID_OMAR on August 15, 2014, 6:54 GMT

    i would rather watch PAK vs SL match since those teams play much more interesting cricket than this boring INDIA. When ever INDIA play 90% of chance that it will be a one sided match. Look at how PAK & SL play Neck to Neck that's what the need of the hour for test cricket. Please Publish.

  • JAHID_OMAR on August 15, 2014, 6:53 GMT

    BD should get More chances than this Club level INDIAN team. For their short test career BAN have done far better than INDIA overseas. INDIA got the test status in 1932 and even after long 70 odd years they could not make an impression in outside ASIA. ICC please give BD more chances and avoid boring teams like INDIA getting more Chances. BAN Fan from Rangpur.

  • on August 15, 2014, 6:52 GMT

    I don't think dropping Gambhir will serve any purpose... The team is in dire situation today only because of the failed coach and captain along with absence of experienced players.. In the fake fake transformation Dhoni's anarchy has let the team down when everyone knows that neither his cricketing skills nor the captaincy skill or his pet team matches the requirement of a real Test team.. Why not drop failed players in this case and include experienced the layers more and more..Talented players like Wasim Jaffer were kept away from national team and were not given enough chances which Jadeja or Dhoni or Rohit ate getting only becoz of Dhoni's stubbornness..

  • black_bird on August 15, 2014, 6:50 GMT

    Open with ashwin and dhoni. So far they are the best batsman for india. I am sure, india will finish this match within 3 days with innings victory.

  • y4yoga on August 15, 2014, 6:48 GMT

    If India really want to replace jadeja, why Binny, Ishawar Pandey can get a place right, It is not good to see Binny standing somewhere on the corner of the ground throughout the test match, but This pitch is much better for spinners, i believe jadeja's presence, not so far but in this match may add something

  • nitish24 on August 15, 2014, 6:44 GMT

    Had it been the 5th ODI rather than test ,India would have had a chance. As Dhoni wouldve lead from the front and won it. But its a test , and that too in England. I dont think India can win. If they fight hard , they might end up drawing it. Even if it was India , it wouldve been difficult to win. (Remember Eng in India last time ,India was lagging 1-2 and could only draw the Nagpur test). England is a superior test side than India , and vice versa....England dont stand a chance in ODIs against India. So test series is gone, lets wait for the ODI series win

  • y4yoga on August 15, 2014, 6:40 GMT

    After watching the 4 Test matches I still Believe Indian Team is far more Better than the English, The only difference is that Indians make many silly mistakes while the English a very few, The English captivates on the Indian's silly mistakes, while India's are waiting them to commit a mistake, The only difference India should make is to change their attitude and be more aggressive which will shift the balance. After too much pressure MSD should not get carried away, He always won when he used his tactics, same should be followed.

  • _-Will-_ on August 15, 2014, 6:34 GMT

    @ Jose Puliampatta on (August 14, 2014, 17:15 GMT): Well said. Yes, its all about self expression. There are also some intelligent discussions being played out on these threads - food for thought at the very least. Further, it can be about venting (something I am familiar with), or an unavoidable consequence of "anonymous" communications. Either way you are right about the overall outcomes - our opinions do not influence those who have influence.

    That said, there is probably at least one positive. If national boards were to take advice from these threads, and depending who they listened to, the Indian team might feature a playing XI of proven greats. The average age of that team would be ~52 years or older. Kirmani might struggle behind the stumps but we could at least speculate that he would give it his all...

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on August 15, 2014, 6:29 GMT

    If they can even last the best part of 5 days @ bouncy Oval ,it will be more than happy final twist for Indians to end the series on. Well that is all they can ask for esp. after OT.But it does'nt look probable. 3-1 Eng .

  • ramli on August 15, 2014, 6:20 GMT

    This talk about processes is okay ... but are we checking whether the processes are correct? Seriously!! Five-bowler strategy is okay but choose the right horses for courses ... once chosen, optimize it by careful plans ... Good luck

  • on August 15, 2014, 6:17 GMT

    Really do not understand why Ashwin is treated so shoddily. Someone of his class (with the bat) languishes at 8, when he should be a permanent fixture at 6 (at least). Also, Kohli should drop down the order, Rohit is likelier to succeed & shd replace him at 4, even in the long term. IMHO this should be the XI (tho I am quite confident it wont be): Vijay, Rahane, Pujara, Rohit, Kohli, Ashwin, Dhoni, Bhuvi, Jadeja, Ishant, Pankaj

  • vsroc on August 15, 2014, 6:09 GMT

    Posted by Venkat Sraman on (August 15,2014). Good Morning and HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY to all the members of Team India.

    The point made by ZedInLosAngles that Gautam and Rohit,should not be included in the team,is perfectly right.Include Naman Ojha in place of Gambhir,Ishant Sharma against Pankaj Singh and Karan Sharma or Stuart Binny in place of Jadeja.This is the ideal team and correct process to fight well against England.Let us all BLESS TOGHETHER this new combination of Team India to fight well together for achieving success.

  • vsroc on August 15, 2014, 5:47 GMT

    Posted by Venkat Sraman on (August 15,2014) The point made by ZedInLosAngles that Gautam and Rohit, should not be included, is perfectly right. Include Naman Ojha in place of Gambhir,Ishant Sharma against Pankaj Singh and Karan Sharma or Stuart Binny in place of Jadeja.This will be the ideal team to fight against England.Let us all bless together this new combination of the Team India to fight well and for achieving success.

  • on August 15, 2014, 5:25 GMT

    Whats wrong with dhoni & coch ... Gambhir got less runs than rohit sharma in equally one match played..also gambhir not looked comfortable at all as compare to rohit .. Also rohit can ball off spin so need to give rohit a chance to open with vijay .. I still beleive rohit can be a good opener and we hv seen in past that the extra responsibity made him a serious player ...dhoni should take this risk again with telented rohit

  • TheLastJeed on August 15, 2014, 5:18 GMT

    I don't understand this hate mongering towards Ashwin saying he cannot take wickets or trouble the English batsmen. He just bowled 17 overs and he created two chances, one an edge to slip and one caught and bowled chance but both fell short. Watch the match before passing comments.

  • CricketFanInLosAngles on August 15, 2014, 5:06 GMT

    PLEASE no Gambhir and Jadeja. Get back Dhawan (or Naman Ojha) and Rohit. Ishant in place of Pankaj.

    Gambhir has severe problems with short ball. He is a walking wicket. Jadeja, is just unreliable as a batsman and not good enough for as a test bowler.

  • on August 15, 2014, 5:03 GMT

    Rohit should open with Vijay,Bring in Ojha As no. 6 and Bowling must consist of "Ishant,Ishwar Pandey,Varun,Umesh.And We already have a top all rounder in Ashwin.

  • on August 15, 2014, 4:57 GMT

    Dhoni has to take some hard decisions, if we have to compete in this test.

  • on August 15, 2014, 4:54 GMT

    I am more worried about Dhoni's words than the heavy losses. Still he is more worried about Process than Results. Now its high time that he should answer why his Process is not able to make the Team get Desired Results, and what is doing in his Process to get better Results. Otherwise I dont see anything getting changed this Test too. May be try some hard decisions like drop a completely out of sorts Pujara or Kohli or Gambhir with a inform guy like Naman Ojha (after his impressive AUS tour). But I doubt Dhoni takes such brave decisions. He always backs his own players even they are failing test after test.

  • SL_4EVER on August 15, 2014, 4:30 GMT

    Simple Story..INDIAwill get thrashed to every part of the Ground..Cook will Score Double and Jimmy/Moeen would run through this mediocre batting line up once again and get 5 for's...Wish ENGLISHMEN all the best From SRILANKA..3-1 on the Cards!!

  • on August 15, 2014, 4:26 GMT

    We have been hearing this process speech for 3-4 years , when India lost 0-4 to England , when India lost 0-4 to Australia, when India lost 0-1 to SA on flat tracks when India nearly lost a test match they were supposed to win and in 0-1 to NZ when India were on the verge of winning the second. One wonders how long this process will last.

  • WellwisherINDIA on August 15, 2014, 3:43 GMT

    Dhoni's final eleven selection was always key role in this series , majority of times there was wrong selection put India in to trouble, sometimes felt even partiality and weird, why do India carry a young 24 year fast bowler called Ishwer Pandey series after series, while Dhoni used 30 year old Pankaj Singh for two tests, how many more years in fact got pankaj to play ahead, this time Dhoni & management must read the pitch very well IF IT IS fast bowling friendly go with 4 fast bowlers including Ishwer Pandey and 1 spin all rounders, India's strength is always spin, but they can't depend on spinners that overseas fast bowling conditions, they don't have any outstanding spinners like Anil Kumble as well

  • Owls on August 15, 2014, 2:50 GMT

    With Pujara and Kohli not being able to contribute, I don't see any harm in replacing either one of them with Ohja. Worst case scenario is he gets a duck which the other two are also likely to get. Ashwin is becoming more of a semi batsman who can also bowl. We have Umesh Yadav and Ishwar Pandey. One is fast and the other one can swing the ball..they should be slotted in in place of the all rounder. MSD has to go all out to win the test.

  • entryholedia on August 15, 2014, 2:45 GMT

    If India bat first then India will be consumed within 200. England will score 400 plus with India dropping catches galore & again no wickets for Ashwin . Then 3rd day India consumed for 200 . Match over in three days . This is whether binny plays or etc etc . The other part is the difficulty of enduring this watching/ hearing the humiliating capitulation . Hope I am proved wrong !

  • sray23 on August 15, 2014, 2:20 GMT

    It's frustrating, but we have no choice but to be patient with the Indian team. They have never played a 5 test series before, they're very inexperienced and right now it's too much to expect them to play good, sustained Test cricket for a whole series. BUT, having said all of this, us fans should not tolerate a few things: 1) Lack of fight & application, 2) Playing boring cricket with no purpose and 3) Defensive selections. To address 3), I'd be really disappointed if India went back to 4 bowlers. It is a pure defensive strategy which immediately says to the opposition we're here to only draw the match - not win. Dhoni should be sacked if he does this. For 2), when End won in Ind in 2012, we saw in Nagpur India was just ambling along with no desire to win a must-win game. Again, if that happens here, Dhoni should be sacked. As a fan, if India lose 3-1 after picking 5 bowlers and playing aggressively looking to win, I'm happy. But if they don't do those, then it's unacceptable

  • on August 15, 2014, 2:18 GMT

    One thing the BCCI MUST do is get rid of the IPL as it serves for nothing (don't think about your commercial interests because of the money involved in it) and invest on sending the Indian players to play county cricket so that they may get more exposure to those conditions-batsmen as well as bowlers. That is the only way Indian players will be able to do well in England, Australia, S.Africa etc. Money is not an issue. The BCCI has enough money to do it. That is if they care for the future of India in Test cricket. If not it will be the same old story (of India winning one Test abroad and losing 3 or 4) repeating over and over again. Why even play Test cricket? Play only ODI'S & T20'S!!!

  • on August 15, 2014, 2:15 GMT

    Since Dhoni is only worried about the "Process" and not the "Result", I don't expect India to win this match as well. No matter how hard I try to skip these matches, I end up watching each and every match, because I'm not worried about the "Process", but the "Result"... Expecting an innings defeat inside 3 days in this match as well.

  • huffpost on August 15, 2014, 2:12 GMT

    To all those who are commenting on dhoni, they should realise the same process made him the most succesful captain..2 world cups, champions trophy and number one in tests ...

  • wake_up_india on August 15, 2014, 2:07 GMT

    Open with Ashwin and Kumar.

  • on August 15, 2014, 1:51 GMT

    I am a big fan of Dhoni's accomplishments in one day and T20. But his repeated chattering about Process leaves even his most devoted fan completely frustrated. Process is internal to the team. Results matter for outside public. As a captain and responsible for millions of expectant fans, he cannot keep talking about process. It absolutely does not make any sense to a fan. I think we do not have an alternate captain at the moment, so someone high up should take control of this and correct the Process!!

  • on August 15, 2014, 1:51 GMT

    The "final twist" will come in India's favour only if India can get back their confidence and play like they did in the first 2 tests instead of getting involved in silly things like the Jadeja/Anderson incident. Concentrate on your cricket and let the bat and ball do the talking. England has taken a psychological upperhand now. England did that on purpose knowing how vulnerable the Indians are psychologically. It's all a mind game now. If India can handle the pressure and play to their full potential, they can square the series at the Oval. Come on, England is a beatable team and we have seen that. India is making them look more than what they are. Sri Lanka beat them in all 3 formats. Australia and S.Africa thrashed them. India need to play with bowlers like Aaron and Umesh who can generate pace and bounce. Indian batsmen need to keep their shots down and not play shots at catchable height. Plus let's hope the umpiring will be up to the mark this time especially at crucial moments!!!

  • Natx on August 15, 2014, 1:49 GMT

    If the result is 3-1 in favor of England (very likely, going by the way of things), the only process I see that makes sense is the Exit Interview process for Dhoni and Fletcher!

  • samirdudani on August 15, 2014, 1:49 GMT

    Solution to India's woes: Get rid of the non-performer Kohli. He has added absolutely no value to the team this series. He hasn't even held on to the catches. Bring in Naman Ojha. The starting XI should be: Vijay, Gambhir, Pujara, Rahane, Ojha, Dhoni, Ashwin, Jadeja, B Kumar, Mohd Shami, Aaron.

    Rohit Sharma can be considered in place of Jadeja. Pankaj Singh for Shami, may be?

    Ishant Sharma's bowling has been below par. It has been that way for a couple of seasons now. "That" spell of his at the Lord's was nothing to marvel at. Apart from Moeen's dismissal, all his wickets came from really poor shot execution by the Poms on really bad wide bouncers.

  • Suhail Jaan on August 15, 2014, 1:44 GMT

    There will be a century from an indian batsman, he will jump n dance like crazy, but still india will lose the match inside 4th day, sure.

  • on August 15, 2014, 1:14 GMT

    Axe is certainly looming over Dhoni. It's absolutely sure that if Dhoni manages to square the series, then he would certainly retain his place in Test team as captain. Else he is sure to get sacked as Test captain and also get axed from test squad. Best Wishes to Dhoni for the 5th Test.

  • fr600 on August 15, 2014, 1:06 GMT

    Not happeneing, ENGLAND all the way.

  • landl47 on August 15, 2014, 0:50 GMT

    If Broad is fit, I expect England to field the same team as has won the last two games. Even though I think Stokes is worth a place as a bowler (and I'd take him over Finn if Broad can't go), the team spirit in the England dressing room is the most important thing and I expect no changes. I also expect Woakes and Jordan to bowl better, having been given a vote of confidence.

    I don't understand the support among the Indian fans for Binny; does anyone think he will take England wickets? Even though the Indian batsmen have failed in the last 3 innings, it's the bowling which is the bigger issue. In the first, third and fourth tests India took 10, 11 and 9 wickets respectively. That isn't going to win many games. The strongest bowling side needs to be played and in my view that is Ashwin, Jadejar, Bhuvi, Aaron and Ishant. That combination hasn't played together and gives India the best chance of taking 20 wickets.

    This series hasn't lacked drama and it would be nice to see a good finish.

  • ShriNavaratnam on August 15, 2014, 0:48 GMT

    I really think Dhoni needs to sit down with someone like Kapil Dev or Sunil Gavaskar -- or even Rahul Dravid, Saurav Ganguly to get his thinking right. What good is a process if that doesn't lead to your desired goals? And, while he keeps talking of the process, it's ironic that he doesn't realise that there's a lot wrong with HIS process, leadership, tactics, selection (I am sure he has input in selections?). A very good one day cricketer, but is found wanting in test cricket, where you need to be on the alert, sharp and thinking on your feet for 5 days, not just 50 overs or 20 overs, where he is able to hide some of the flaws that are sorely exposed in tests.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 15, 2014, 0:42 GMT

    Contrary to his INVINCIBLE status as an ODI and T20 leader, Dhoni has been an obnoxious test captain for India. Why ? Because he plays the waiting game in a format that is sluggish, time consuming and inevitably.... slow. In other words, he has to make things happen when the English batsmen dig deep. England play only one format of cricket well and that is test cricket. To beat them, you have to think like them. Dhoni is clearly PAST his sell by date. Time to remove him along with Mr. Fletcher. Both have to GO ! There are only two results possible at the Oval - an English victory OR a draw.

  • wolf777 on August 15, 2014, 0:05 GMT

    Ashwin's maind job is to take wickets which are harder to come by on overseas for him. Jadeja at least picks up wickets and threatening as a bowler. Ashwin had two 40 plus scores in the last game alright; however, just one Test Match before Jadeja scored a crucial 62 at Lord's. Ashwin on the other hand hardly troubled English batsmen at Old Trafford.

  • sammysam on August 15, 2014, 0:02 GMT

    MSD only knows the process of defeat

  • spinkingKK on August 14, 2014, 23:56 GMT

    The best team for this test is: Vijay, Dhawan, Rehane, Rohit, N.Ojha, Dhoni, Jadeja, Bhuvi, Aaaron, Ishant, Pankaj/Shami.

  • sampu_sheikh on August 14, 2014, 23:51 GMT

    My XI: 1. Vijay 2. Rohit 3. Pujara 4. Naman Ojha 6. Dhoni 7. Binny 8. Ashwin 9. Bhuvneshwar 10. Aaron 11. Ishant

    Kohli needs to be dropped, if this was Australia or South Africa and a batsman like Amla or Clarke were failing consistently, they would have the guts to drop a batsman with such class. Naman Ojha is in great form and deserves a debut. If Ishant is fit, bring him back. Even if he is not performing, he seems to lift the other bowlers performances, makign him look even worse! If not, Shami should come back as his pace created problems at times. Jadeja shouldn't play test outside India.

  • Keithpandey on August 14, 2014, 23:43 GMT

    First of all we need to say bye to our coach "Fletcher".2nd thing please seriously think about split captaincy n bring back "Sehwag" let him bat either opening or be it 4/5,we need experience to lead the team with fire.We need split w'keepers option for test n limited over cricket. Let "Kapil sir" be our coach once again with aggressive mindset n bring "Robin Singh" as fielding coach, make batting coach either "G.Viswanath/PraveenAmre" if "Rahul Dravid" is not willing to full time job, no shame in hiring "Bedi sir" as spin coach for test. If possible bring "John Wright" back. Naman Ojha best for test wicket keeping, groom Sanju for odi / t20. Dhoni (c) odi/t20 Sehwag (c)test. Test spinners 1.Pragyan Ojha 2.Shabaz Nadeem 3.Amit Mishra Test all_rounders 1.Irfan 2.Ashwin Test bowlers 1.Praveen Kr 2.IshwarPandey 3.Umesh Test opener .."Manish Pandey" "Unmukt Chand" (future) Test team- 5 Batsmen, 1All_rounder,1 wk,1spineer,4quicks Selectors plz read.. allow players to county..

  • ren1 on August 14, 2014, 23:39 GMT

    1. Gambhir . 2 Vijay 3. Pujara 4. Naman( keeper) 5. Rahane 6. Dhoni (Captain) 7. Ashwin 8. Bhuvi 9. Yadav 10. Aaron 11. Ishant/ Pankaj/ Pandey India need 4 fast Bowlers and 1 spin. also Ashwin Can Bat. pls Rest Kholi he will play ODIS. No place for Jadeja 1 ST 30 overs without loosing a Wicket 50 -60 runs good. 2 nd 30 overs abt 80 runs ok. 3 rd 30 overs 90 - 100 runs good. end of 90 overs 230 or 240 runs 2 or 3 wicket its ok. Then 2 nd Day 60 overs abt 160- 180 runs total of 420+ runs. pls don't send Pujara early than 30 overs. If loose a wicket between 1 and 30 overs send Ashwin at 3 and ask him to play good cricket not to be a Hero

  • TeamSelector on August 14, 2014, 23:27 GMT

    Drop Kohli & Pujara. Neither one is scoring runs. India have to go for the win. Bring in Naman Ojha and play both Binny & Jadeja. 1-Vijay 2-Gambhir 3-Rahane 4-Naman Ojha 5-Ashwin 6-Dhoni 7-Binny 8-Jadeja 9-Bhuvneshwar 10-Aaron 11-Ishant

  • on August 14, 2014, 23:00 GMT

    The world cup teams will be marked on whether or not they win matches, not marked on process. Same with this and every series.

  • Coolcapricorn on August 14, 2014, 22:27 GMT

    MSD & his processes - processes of picking or sticking with players like Jadeja, Gambhir etc & being so defensive leading to yet again more Tests & series defeats abroad! With all these failing batsmen, one would have thought maybe Naman Ojha could get a chance in making his Test debut after showing such good form in Australia recently.

  • on August 14, 2014, 22:19 GMT

    You lose 15 test matches and you still speak about PROCESS over result? You haven't scored a single century outside Asia, what's the process? Not a single opening partnership of 50 or more-process? How many stumpings? That shows the line n length of your current spinners? What's the process? How many declarations have you made vs being all-out? What's the process?

  • wolf777 on August 14, 2014, 21:37 GMT

    Dhoni says process is more important than results....however, when process fails to produce results there is a need to change process.

  • Nampally on August 14, 2014, 21:19 GMT

    @bhushanB: What Dhoni says is "Process" of batting will remain the same - it does not matter if it results in a Loss! No wonder India keep Losing series after series. We have Indian batsmen who fail vs. pace bowling & vs. the Solo spinner Moen Ali. England will use their pace bowlers to take wkts. in the first innings followed by their solo "off spinner" to polish off the batsmen in Second innings. That is the process used by England in both their Wins. Here we have a Captain who cannot counter this England approach via an improved batting Line up. To all fans it is clear that in 2011 Gambhir got Out every time caught in the slip cordon or by WK. Surely he needs to change his "Approach"! Kohli gets caught similarly with his funny poking with a slant bat, so much so he has become Anderson's bunny. Will he change his "Approach"? Indian Bowlers Kumar & Ashwin have better average than their " #4 Batsman"! Same batsmen, same "process, approach" & mistakes. Anyone can Guess the Result?

  • Raki99 on August 14, 2014, 21:04 GMT

    3-1 for sure And I am Indian supporter, Kohli has become bunny of Anderson and Pujara is No Dravid. The middle order as well as the openers are just plain horrible. The Spinners can't take single wicket and the third seamer is always worthless whether it is shami or pankaj.

  • reluctant_fan on August 14, 2014, 20:43 GMT

    Right. So you stick to your process regardless of the outcome. Does Dhoni know about the concept of "Garbage In Garbage Out"?

  • sanjaynairdxb on August 14, 2014, 20:33 GMT

    The Best Indian Team with current form and conditions in the batting order,forget past experience,records,talent,ego but just the right combo to level the series.The opening pair is the most imp to get Anderson/ Broad away,no major hittings reqd,but vijay and rahane can get them impatient and will eventually allow Pujara once the ball becomes soft but needs to improve his known concentration.Kohli needs to play like how he handles one day games,Ojha can be positive as if nothing to loose.let Bhuvi come early as eventually needs to bowl.

    Vijay,Rahane,Pujara,Kohli,Ojha,Dhoni,Bhuvneshwar,Ashwin,Shami,Ishant & Varon

  • roger1981 on August 14, 2014, 20:27 GMT

    Well! I wonder will be this a same old story..Once team india is done with England they have to travel down under where Australians would be licking this old wounds of 0-4 thrashing they got from India...Dhoni may be the best finisher though when it comes out side subcontinent he is old school. I mean he manages to win a test and then applies all his skills to draw remaining test thinking to win the series...I guess most captains are able to read his mind...

    Dhoni is lacking winning qualities out side subcontinent...A change is needed..

  • on August 14, 2014, 20:08 GMT

    I would say drop Kohli, get Ohja, drop ashween, get Rohit, drop pankaj and get Ishant. Our strength is our batting. If we post more than 400 runs, our bowler can take 20 wickets.

  • getgopi on August 14, 2014, 19:51 GMT

    I am pretty sure that a PROCESS was what won India the world cup as I still remember an article here on CricInfo where Dhoni was talking about prep work that started a year before the World Cup. But this is Test cricket and the prep work probably just started a couple of weeks earlier :)

  • bhushanB on August 14, 2014, 19:29 GMT

    Several backup Pacers, but not a single backup spinner for Jadeja/Ashwin.. We have all seen how good a spinner Ashwin is outside the sub-continent and most sane fans would not have expected anything better from Sir Jadeja.

    As long as Dhoni is still at the helm, IND fans have no other way but to suck it up and accept to see at least three (or all four) of Ashwin, Jadeja, Rohit, Ishant in the final X1 every match, no matter what the format is.

    Hope I have a fast forward button to quickly get to the post-Dhoni era of IND cricket --- It may or may not be better, but it will at least be different.

  • on August 14, 2014, 19:25 GMT

    Based on the pitch conditions, Team and the order in which they must play should be as follows: Vijay, Rahane, Ghambir, Ashwin, Pujara, Rohit, Kohli, Dhoni, Bhuvaneswar, Aoron, Ishant

  • bhushanB on August 14, 2014, 19:24 GMT

    It pains to see that people wanted Ishant to get back into the side. He's done nothing extraordinary even in that spell that got him those wickes. Its just ENG pride and EGO to go after the short-ball to prove a point, that has fetched him the wickets.

    God help IND. I would rather bring back Shami instead of Ishant. Shami must have learnt his lesson, that he is slowly losing into an oblivion, if he does not perform.

  • on August 14, 2014, 19:22 GMT

    Play the following for the best chance: 1. Vijay, 2. Ganbhir, 3. Pujara, 4. Kohli, 5. Rahane, 6. Dhoni, 7. Binny, 8. Ashwin, 9. Bhuvi, 10. Ishant, 11. Aaron.

    With all the passion and talent, Kohli is not Tendulkar, so I actually wouldn't mind Naman Ojha in his place. He's been in supreme form and can also relieve a faltering Dhoni from glove duties.

  • bhushanB on August 14, 2014, 19:20 GMT

    Someone please remind Dhoni that PROCESS is a journey aiming for a RESULT. PROCESS is for NETS, to make you prepared for the BATTLE in the center. PROCESS is something that equips you with strengths, capabilities, methods and strategies that you are supposed to EXECUTE in the game.

    AIMLESS process is destined for FAILURE.

  • bhushanB on August 14, 2014, 19:14 GMT

    Can Dhoni please explain the PROCESS? While results are tangible for such innocous fans like me, how complex is the PROCESS? We need more clarification than some fictious word like PROCESS and if the PROCESS is being adapted as IND, forget about winning or results, fail to show any fight.

    Is the process is STATIC and etched in stone, and the captain and the team just blindly follow it no matter what?

    The PROCESS is it aimed to make the players and team better or is it a PROCESS of downfall into an abyss.

  • sathish123n on August 14, 2014, 19:03 GMT

    @eggyroe: Friend, It is no fluke that India won the 2nd test at Lords. Perfect execution of the "bounce out" strategy. In what planet on earth do we say this as fluke? Opportunities are denied for some young talents who can take India to next level in tests. Every one is good at home venue, may be this time India showed some character unlike the previous tour.

  • on August 14, 2014, 19:03 GMT

    LOL! Dhoni and his processes!

    Stick to them and we are about to see a 3-1 followed by a 4-0 in OZ!

    BOOOM

  • mahi_b on August 14, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    It is a good choice if binny included in playing XI instead of jadeja. Jadeja's performance was poor in last match. Ashwin is better than jadeja in batting and bowling.

  • Nampally on August 14, 2014, 18:28 GMT

    It is amazing that after an innings defeat at the Old Trafford, Dhoni is still persisting with the same old beaten batsmen who fell to 66 for 6 in both the innings & were out for around 150. Lack of corrective actions is the hall mark of Dhoni's captaincy resulting in all overseas defeats. Are there no other batsmen in this side to even persist with Gambhir? Can Ishant Sharma turn around this side after his 7 wkts. at the Lords - more a fruit of bad batting than great bowling. When the batting is as bad as 8 runs for 4 wkts. It is clear that the top of the batting line up Needs real shake up. But Dhoni does not believe in change & persists with the same top 6 guys. Reminds me the definition of insanity. If they fail Dhoni's excuse is India has no good batmen available as he excused stating India had no good bowlers available when the bowlers failed. Bring in N. ojha from the Bench, use 4 Fast bowlers, Change the openers, Send Kohli Lower. Real change in attitude & XI needed to WIN!

  • Retour on August 14, 2014, 18:21 GMT

    After a series of poor performances, I am hoping that the law of averages finally work for India.

    India has to get its playing 11 absolutely spot on as it needs every member to contribute to carve out a win. You just cannot afford to have the likes of Pankaj Singh in the squad, let alone in the playing 11. Someone like Umesh would have been a much better choice if the selectors had the foresight to pick him in the test squad. Such blunders, along with playing bits and pieces players in tests has hurt Ind.

    From the squad, the playing 11 can be like this: opener (a toss b/wt GG and Dhawan), Vijay, Pujara, Rahane, Kholi, Dhoni, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Aaron, Panday and Ishant (if fit or Binny or Jadeja depending upon conditions)

  • thozar on August 14, 2014, 18:20 GMT

    @Venkat_Gowrishankar, how come Anderson and Broad are more skilled than Indian bowlers? Check the averages please. Bhuvi has a way better career average than both of them and he is still very young. Shami is out of form but did you watch his performance against West Indies where he made the ball talk? He bowled very well in South Africa and New Zealand also. Kallis was his walking wicket. Aaron is a very energetic, young pacer. He will surely be a star in the future. Last but not least, Ishant has been unfortunate for too long. Now is his time as he showed in New Zealand and Lords test. I agree that Broad and Anderson are good but their support bowlers are poor. Pankaj Singh is better than Jordan and Woakes. Anderson/Broad are only equal to Bhuvi/Ishant/Aaron/Shami. So both attacks are only equal.

  • Angry_Bowler on August 14, 2014, 18:17 GMT

    So, another three day match! Good this will give Indian team enough time to recoving from one of the most gruelling test series that Indian team endured I am mean their batting skills on not so flat pitch. This series after this match will reveal the difference between class and flat batters.

  • Indiaforever on August 14, 2014, 18:08 GMT

    Not very confident of this game especially if we play a similar team to the team that has lost so badly. Ishant will be key, if he can bowl well and more disciplined then normal we have a good chance. bhuvi is always gonna have a chance because of the amount of swing he can generate but he still needs to learn to bowl that touch fuller length with the new ball. In terms of batting, just hope that our openers can get going in this match. If they do then we have a decent chance. Kohli and Pujara will want to come good, they also need to come good. If we lose this test the way we have lost the previous two then Dhoni has to go, it is as simple as that.

  • FlatTrakBully on August 14, 2014, 18:03 GMT

    Dhoni isn't a good test batsman and keeper but his process keeps him in behind the stumps. Who know he may be playing behind the boundry with his process and without results. On the other hand cunning cook silently removed his competitor out of his team, eventhough his competitor is a better captain, player, run scorer than him.

  • eggyroe on August 14, 2014, 17:45 GMT

    With all our Indian friends posting reviews there is only comment I can pass "What Planet Are You On Because It Is Not Planet Earth".Apart from the 2nd Test when India fluked the result,their response in the last 2 Test Matches has been abysmal to say the least.In my opinion there are 2 things that the BCCI have to take on board,swallow your pride with senior players bias against D.R.S.and allow it as per the rest of the cricketing world,and play more 5 Match Series Test Match Cricket as opposed to Mickey Mouse one day cricket.If you Indians want a successful Test Match Side,then it has to be the paramount requirement as opposed to Mickey Mouse 1 Day knockabouts.

  • Venkat_Gowrishankar on August 14, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    @DavidHopps : ," the Test pitch remains on the old part of the square and should be a blessing for India after their inability to handle the pace and bounce of Old Trafford." - I am sorry , this whole piece of analysis is totally wrong. It is nothing to do with India's Inability to handle pace and bounce. The fact is Anderson and broad are surely more skilled than the whole of Indian bowling attack put together. Moreover, how many dismissals come to mind where the india batsmen were caught fending off short deliveries - Thats what happens when you are not skilled at playing pace and bounce. India mentally are not at all strong, their collapse was sheer terrible embarassing batting.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 14, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    @thozar (Post on August 14, 2014, 17:10 GMT): These are still the PREDITED teams - not confirmed yet. Whilst it's very likely England will stick with the same team that won last game, there's still a slight chance Stokes and/or Finn-knee will be preferred.

  • MiddleStump on August 14, 2014, 17:38 GMT

    @viru-319-219: Ashwin was the best batsman at Old Trafford. He bowled only 14 overs and when he was bowling with Aaron it looked like a wicket could fall at any time. Remember he is playing a Test after many months and bowled well given the limited chances. Dhoni did not utilize him well at all and because of the innings defeat Ashwin did not get to bowl in the later stages of the test. There is no spinner performing better in India. The issue is how he is being (mis)used by the team management. No bowler can settle into any kind of rhythm if he is treated in this manner.

  • crazycric67 on August 14, 2014, 17:37 GMT

    For God's sake, what is this process that Dhoni been talking about? The process of losing games? This is a clear hint that he will lose the 5th test too. It seems he don't want to win matches. He lacks the spirit to fight, at least in test matches. When the Captain's approach is this, what can you expect from the other team members? No wonder India keep losing outside the subcontinent.

  • mensan on August 14, 2014, 17:28 GMT

    Naman Ojha should play this test. And the other Ojha also should be a permanent fixture in Indian team.

  • viru-319-219 on August 14, 2014, 17:25 GMT

    Some serious questions from a true fan

    1) What is Jadeja? - a batsman who slogs in tests and gets out if he defends, a bowler who can't get wickets and used defensively (these are not T20s). 2) What is support staff doing when whole world can see how Kohli is being trapped on 5th stump? 3) Why is Binny selected as allrounder when he bowls at pace of Ganguly? Rishi Dhawan is taller than him and has a bit more pace. He is surely a better option than Binny to risk. 4) Is Dhoni still interested in playing test cricket? He is struggling behind sticks and leaving his catches to 1st slip. We all know he is lot better than that. 5) Why not select youngsters performing in domestic competitions in place of struggling players like Ash,Jaddu,Shikar .. etc. We have many budding legspinners and wrist spinners can get wickets even without help from surface due to variations.

    lot more questions for selectors for not selecting Umesh,Samson,Karun and other top performers in domestic cricket ..

  • on August 14, 2014, 17:20 GMT

    Process is more important than the result, what does the Indian captain means by that. If he loses and loses test after test what the process will have to do if that didn't show any positive results. This team have been playing test cricket now for at least 3 years together still they are learning.The problem with this team is they don't want to improve themselves. It will always be the same story for them score tons of runs in India try to survive on overseas tour with performance showed in India. west Indies is coming to India this winter then we will all see that Dhawan, Vijay, Kohli etc will score hundreds but after that i guess it will be 4-0 whitewash in down under if this team continues play like they played in Manchester. i can only prey that India could do a favor by playing out a draw in the 5th test. winning with this performances is far far away.

  • PeerieTrow on August 14, 2014, 17:19 GMT

    @osteo: Dhoni is perhaps one of the most successful figureheads, but I would disagree that he is the most successful captain. Like Ponting and Vaughan, Dhoni was fortunate to lead a team composed of superstars that made him look god as captain. His true captaincy ability is being exposed in this series. For the good of Indian cricket I hope thy dump him and Fletcher as soon as possible.

  • on August 14, 2014, 17:15 GMT

    How many of us have accepted this unfortunate fact: Whatever we write here has absolutely no impact to those who take the decisions. This is just a forum for our self-expression. Nothing more than that.

  • sheru-sher on August 14, 2014, 17:14 GMT

    Dhoni is doing a good job of "processing" things as captain. Forget the result ....the process is more important.

  • on August 14, 2014, 17:11 GMT

    Breaking a game into smaller bits and bytes is okay in the short format; but absolutely the wrong approach in a five day test match. The time span for planning a test match is FULL FIVE DAYS; not bits and bytes!

  • viru-319-219 on August 14, 2014, 17:10 GMT

    For all people asking for Rohit to open... What has he done to deserve that spot. He failed in all the away tests he played after his 100s against below average WI attack. He is talented,he makes batting look beautiful but he is not performing and he can't be in team. I am one of his supporters who want him to do good but I want him in Indian team only if he is doing good in domestic competitions.

    People asked for Ashwin in team .. what has he done better than Jadeja(Batting ;)) Selectors please bring in spinners who are performing at domestic level and not guys who are big names already even if they are not performing. we have some verygood legspinners playing in India, get them in instead of Jadeja. why don't selectors these guys ,for sure won't be worse than Jaddu.

    Give Samson chance to play test cricket now he is technically correct with bat and gloves. He can be our next captain after 3-4 as he is seriously matured for his age.

  • thozar on August 14, 2014, 17:10 GMT

    It is good that England are still playing Woakes and Jordan. Those two are innocuous seamers who would not bowl an ordinary Ranji team. Their selection bodes well for India given Anderson's record at the Oval and Broad's injury. But we should not make the same selection mistake like them. We should draft in Binny in place of Jadeja. I never wanted Dhawan out and I still think Dhawan should took his place at the top of the order. India are missing a trick there by selecting Gambhir. I also tip Kohli to score a big double hundred like Tendulkar did in Sydney 2004 and I also predict Pujara to give him good support. Kohli should like this ground. After 8 failures, he wil want to sign off the test series on a happy note. India will score over 600, win by an innings and silence the critics. Wait and watch. Chak de India.

  • on August 14, 2014, 16:59 GMT

    3-1

  • rk_ks on August 14, 2014, 16:52 GMT

    @highonmethane: I had the same feeling. Fletcher who coached England for a very long period of time is not able to read the conditions and pitch. He is just there for name sake. No body knows his contribution to the team.

  • on August 14, 2014, 16:48 GMT

    they should bring in naman ojha.. he is in great form which he shown in all the matches he played in tour of australia.. no use dragging same players who are not performing at all.. instead of giving one more chance to rohit or kohli u should bring in a person who is in form and give u some result which can take match in team favour..

  • rk_ks on August 14, 2014, 16:48 GMT

    India will show no signs of improvement. Dhoni will again say, "The atmosphere in dressing room is happy. It's important to enjoy the game". How can you be enjoying the game when your are losing so badly. And how can you have happiness after losing so badly without giving any fight. At least show 1% of improvement in the next match.

  • subcontinent-expert on August 14, 2014, 16:47 GMT

    Same comment by Dhoni yet again..!!!

  • on August 14, 2014, 16:46 GMT

    Moeen Ali

    If we confine our analysis to just the last test, Moeen Ali is a far better spin bowler than Ashwin or Jadeja. There isn't an iota of doubt about it. Saying that he just bowled a tight line & length is too simplistic, and totally ignores the guile he displayed and the subtle variations he produced. Calling him a part time spin bowler is an injustice to the excellent spin bowling he produced. In fact, his officially labelled role need to be reversed formally. He turned out to be essentially a spinner who can bat (if we leave all his earlier history behind).

    The story that India took Ali too lightly in one innings and too cautiously in another is just that -- a story; a story of excuse. Hope, the broadcaster publish the revs per second Ali manages to produce Vs what Aswin's or Jadeja's best. At least that will bring some reality check; on the underestimation of Ali and the over estimation of the other two.

    I am an India fan; but credit has to be given where credit is due.

  • Cricfever_PM on August 14, 2014, 16:46 GMT

    India got moral boost of Ishanth coming into the side and it will increase India's chance to get Eng out soon. We already have Bhuvi in form and Varun have made his impact in the 1st innings of 4th Test and along with Ishanth coming in it will be good contest and balanced bowling attack. The batting area is the big concern for India and when Pujara and Kohli not doing well at 3rd and 4th, it is sense to move them one order down may be Pujara at 4th and Kohli at 5th and move Rahena two steps up to 3rd, since Vijay and Rahena is in good touch they can handle the pressure well at top.

    India should try Ohja as batsmen in 5th Test as he played well in Aus for India A so it will be good option and I slightly feel that Jaddu should give a way for Ohja and remaining side looks better for me.

    My XI : Vijay, Gambhir, Rahena, Pujara, Kohli, Ohja/Binny, Dhoni, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Ishanth and Varun.

  • mensan on August 14, 2014, 16:46 GMT

    I think England should give Finn a game. Either Woakes or Jordan can be rested. Very important to give Finn confidence at this stage.

  • kunakrish on August 14, 2014, 16:44 GMT

    before 4 years said same thing the team is processing ,now also the same thing.Then when we are going to win.

  • rk_ks on August 14, 2014, 16:43 GMT

    Ya final twist is this time India will be out for less than 100. And our pace spearhead will play a relaxed game, because one 5 five wicket haul will buy him 15 test matches. India 100 all out this time.

  • MSZK on August 14, 2014, 16:39 GMT

    Wish a Good Luck to Indian Cricket Team for their last test starting on their day of Independence. But the team selection would play an important role for Indian team. Dhoni shall have to change his strategy and ask Jadeja to take some rest with some heavy heart but Estuary Bunny would be a worse choice than this. Rohit Dharma should be given a fair chance as he is far more better player than he is relying on too much nowadays.

  • osteo on August 14, 2014, 16:37 GMT

    dhoni should not retire. some changes in team needs. I like to test ashwin as opener. we know who are shoiab and sanath. dhoni is the one of the most successful captain he don't have jhonson, steyn,ajmal,anderson,matthews,. he is doing good job what he has. all should shut up those blame dhoni

  • on August 14, 2014, 16:36 GMT

    Ms Dhoni should go all out for a win.In this process a defeat will be acceptable but with new faces and fresh legs.I think Dhoni should go with naman ojha he might bolster timid Indian batting since he has scored three centuries in australia.jadeja must be excluded making way for Stuart binny or Ishwer pandey. Possible playing eleven should be : vijay,gambhir,Rahane,kohli,pujara/naman,Dhoni,ashwin,binny,kumar,ishant,and varun.the batting order should go as per serial in the list here. Rattan Sharma bathinda,india

  • Sultan2007 on August 14, 2014, 16:32 GMT

    Cook's let off at the Ageas Bowl by Jadeja was the turning point in this series.

  • on August 14, 2014, 16:25 GMT

    mr. captain , indian batsmen is getting out to a part time spinner on fast pitches .this is your process .what if they face a quality spinner on turning pitch .dhoni is really losing his mind .how can you play jadeja on these pitches where he is bowling negative bowling .in a test match , the only way of winning is taking wickets.if you are bowling to contain batsmen either you are scaring or you are playing for a draw .

  • on August 14, 2014, 16:24 GMT

    kick dhoni jaddu even pujara. murali n ash to open. kohli to be denlmoted to no.8. vijay ash Rahane namanojha gg binny kohli bk Aaron ishant n add some more from odi squad

  • jo_n on August 14, 2014, 16:18 GMT

    I know Dhoni having lot of pressure but trust me Dhoni

    For India to win this last test match India should play

    1 Murali Vijay, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Cheteshwar Pujara, 4 Virat Kohli, 5 Ajinkya Rahane, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 R Ashwin, 8 Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 9 Md shami,10 Varun Aaron, 11 Ishant Sharma.

  • jo_n on August 14, 2014, 16:09 GMT

    For India to WIN this last test match India should Play

    1 Murali Vijay, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Cheteshwar Pujara, 4 Virat Kohli, 5 Ajinkya Rahane, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 R Ashwin, 8 Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 9 Md shami,10 Varun Aaron, 11 Ishant Sharma.

  • on August 14, 2014, 16:08 GMT

    Its time for Dhoni to stepdown himself.He has got great respect shudnt loose that atleast... bring in Rahane as captin hes not flat pitch bulley

  • on August 14, 2014, 16:07 GMT

    For all those who are saying that Dhoni should not be in the team, please also advise who should captain the side in that case, good or bad he is the best player to captain the test side at this point. Many of us were banking on Virat to be the future leader but at the moment his place in the side as a player is in jeopardy, captaincy is long gone conclusion. Yes i do agree Dhoni tactics has been bizarre but remember he has always been like that and it worked well for long period. In this series he has batted with guts and i guess the third highest run getter for India. As far as his keeping is concerned, yes its been below average but he has never been acrobatics one, he has always been a safe one. We should continue with untill we find a apt replacement for him as a captain

  • on August 14, 2014, 16:04 GMT

    Changes: Ishant for pankaj, shami for jadeja - go all out against eng with 4 pronged pace attack, shorts 4 over bursts for Ishant,Aaron the other end tied by bhuvi,ashwin,shami.... But knowing dhoni's love for jadeja.....only change would be Ishant for pankaj

  • HariSR on August 14, 2014, 16:02 GMT

    I don't understand Dhoni's obsession with the process. If the results are not showing up, may be he has to alter his/team process, ultimately its the winning that counts at the end of the day and not how strongly one has followed their processes. I hope they are hungry to win and put up a good show. At this level, you need best and good is not sufficient

  • on August 14, 2014, 15:58 GMT

    What is the process for dropping Dhoni?

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 14, 2014, 15:50 GMT

    I don't care how well Anderson and Broad are bowling; players 8-11 in tests, in my opinion, should ultimately be there/chosen for their bowling only, REGARDLESS of their batting abilities/form (especially when your premier spinner is a part-timer like Ali (yes I'm still classifying him as a part-timer despite his recent form/success because he should be foremost a batsman)). For that reason, are Jordan and Woakes REALLY the best options available for the supporting bowlers? It's a rhetorical question - one which SHOULD be causing the England selectors headaches. I do like Finn-knee, but it's a big risk to bring him back now for a series-deciding game after his uninspiring performances of late. Stokes batted well in a recent 50-over match, and bowled O.K. I suppose; should he get the nod ahead of Woakes? Plunkett I believe is still injured, and blows hot & cold rather like Finn-knee. Tough call. As I said last week, England unlikely to change a winning team, regardless of form/worries.

  • cricket_lover1 on August 14, 2014, 15:49 GMT

    Rahane should bat at number 3 and Pujara to bat at number 5. Binny should come in as a 4th seamer in place of jadeja. Open with Rohit and Vijay.

  • on August 14, 2014, 15:49 GMT

    What is the use of process if results are always losses. Dhoni's keeping, batting, captaincy, team selection, batting order everything is bizarre. Country wants results, not process. Country is not interested in process. Test matches are not training schools where jadeja and rohit will learn skills. They have to learn skills in domestic cricket.

  • mzm149 on August 14, 2014, 15:47 GMT

    Dhoni has already intimated about the result, which would be 3-1. Since he cares more about the process, it would be better than last games. They might stay till fourth day instead of the third as pointed out by Vaughan. They would get out in better manner as compared to last last game even though I highly doubt about Kohli.

  • on August 14, 2014, 15:46 GMT

    My 11 would be Vijay, Gambhir, Pujara, Rahane, Rohit, Ashwin, Dhoni, Binny , Kumar, Ishant and Arron. Kohli should take a break to bring his form back again for Odi's. Rohit needs 1more chance to prove his worth in tests. This test is make or break for Binny and Rohit to save their test carrier. And Ashwin must play at number 6, no point he bats at number 8.

  • SeanB on August 14, 2014, 15:42 GMT

    Would Jadeja be picked as a batsman - no. As a spinner - no. He failed even as a fielder - that drop of Cook changed the series. So, why is he in the team? If he is better spinner than Ashwin, both have to go. Time India picked the team based on merit and the selectors were professional. Currently, many players are in because someone bigger than the selectors is picking them. Give Virat and Rohit a long break; they will not value the position else. After Australia dropped Clarke and Ricky Ponting, they came back better players. The way he is playing now, Virat is just not worried about performance. No one is bigger than the team and the selectors have to be bold about it.

  • highonmethane on August 14, 2014, 15:34 GMT

    I don't care about the result of the last match. I just want to see Duncan Fletcher being kicked out. Dhoni was doing pretty okay with Gary Kirsten as coach. Duncan Fletcher has somehow totally negated the gains achieved by Gary Kirsten. I will reserve my judgement of Dhoni once I see him working with a different coach.

  • spot_on on August 14, 2014, 15:21 GMT

    I so just dont wanna see MSD in test cricket.

  • armchairjohnny on August 14, 2014, 15:21 GMT

    India have already blown their chances of winning a 5-test series overseas, against a side who throughout most of the summer have looked to be in some disarray. Even if the Indians somehow manage to square the series, it's hard not to feel that they've completely blown it and failed to perform to potential.

    The whole 'process matters more than results' refrain from Dhoni has become extremely tiresome. He's not even good enough to retain his place in the side as a player, let alone as a captain where his decision making skills have been found wanting.

  • on August 14, 2014, 15:20 GMT

    Dhoni need to go He has not done much for the team. Team India went in with over confident and thought they can win it all. Look at successful test captains and what they have done to come out of it. Cook is a great example. He came bacck and won two and took the series in Englan's favor. His stubbornness has not helped India. He is only good for IPL and is a great talker.

  • on August 14, 2014, 15:20 GMT

    lets rahane open the innings . Rahane, Vijay, Pujara, Gambhir,Kohli,Dhoni,Aswin,B.Kumar, Pandey, AAron, Shami\Isahant .. Play isahnt only if he 110% fit.

  • Absolutelycricket on August 14, 2014, 15:16 GMT

    English mindset looks very strong and they have proved again that they can bounce back starting from Cook who was out of form came back and scored 90 odds in 3rd test, Anderson under pressure of getting banned in 4th and 5th test but really handled pressure very well, again not feeling well on 4th test still manged to rock top Indian order, Moeen Ali criticized for bowling came back really strong and now he is competing Anderson for man of the series and now Broad being injured he is refusing to wear mask. this shows basic difference between indian and english approch toward game. this is repeat of England tour of India when they lost 1st test against spin and then won all matches and series. India has never learned what mistake they did in 3rd match like engand learned from lords and now india is into deep trouble of loosing another overseas series. Overall india need a miracle from top order batsman and young bowlers to sqaure the series

  • Balladeer on August 14, 2014, 15:15 GMT

    Of course, Stuart will be competing with Jimmy and Moeen for the role of India's Bane...

  • jimwhatever on August 14, 2014, 15:13 GMT

    it is better to play a proper batsman or a proper bowler instead of including so called all rounders such as binny & jadeja who can neither bowl well or bat well. it is better to keep jadeja if his replacement is binny. binny has got no class.6-4 is just a miracle. miracles happen once in a 1000 years

  • henchart on August 14, 2014, 14:58 GMT

    MSD ''So we will still be looking more into the process than the result."-Indeed.Result would be looking something like 3-1 .

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  • henchart on August 14, 2014, 14:58 GMT

    MSD ''So we will still be looking more into the process than the result."-Indeed.Result would be looking something like 3-1 .

  • jimwhatever on August 14, 2014, 15:13 GMT

    it is better to play a proper batsman or a proper bowler instead of including so called all rounders such as binny & jadeja who can neither bowl well or bat well. it is better to keep jadeja if his replacement is binny. binny has got no class.6-4 is just a miracle. miracles happen once in a 1000 years

  • Balladeer on August 14, 2014, 15:15 GMT

    Of course, Stuart will be competing with Jimmy and Moeen for the role of India's Bane...

  • Absolutelycricket on August 14, 2014, 15:16 GMT

    English mindset looks very strong and they have proved again that they can bounce back starting from Cook who was out of form came back and scored 90 odds in 3rd test, Anderson under pressure of getting banned in 4th and 5th test but really handled pressure very well, again not feeling well on 4th test still manged to rock top Indian order, Moeen Ali criticized for bowling came back really strong and now he is competing Anderson for man of the series and now Broad being injured he is refusing to wear mask. this shows basic difference between indian and english approch toward game. this is repeat of England tour of India when they lost 1st test against spin and then won all matches and series. India has never learned what mistake they did in 3rd match like engand learned from lords and now india is into deep trouble of loosing another overseas series. Overall india need a miracle from top order batsman and young bowlers to sqaure the series

  • on August 14, 2014, 15:20 GMT

    lets rahane open the innings . Rahane, Vijay, Pujara, Gambhir,Kohli,Dhoni,Aswin,B.Kumar, Pandey, AAron, Shami\Isahant .. Play isahnt only if he 110% fit.

  • on August 14, 2014, 15:20 GMT

    Dhoni need to go He has not done much for the team. Team India went in with over confident and thought they can win it all. Look at successful test captains and what they have done to come out of it. Cook is a great example. He came bacck and won two and took the series in Englan's favor. His stubbornness has not helped India. He is only good for IPL and is a great talker.

  • armchairjohnny on August 14, 2014, 15:21 GMT

    India have already blown their chances of winning a 5-test series overseas, against a side who throughout most of the summer have looked to be in some disarray. Even if the Indians somehow manage to square the series, it's hard not to feel that they've completely blown it and failed to perform to potential.

    The whole 'process matters more than results' refrain from Dhoni has become extremely tiresome. He's not even good enough to retain his place in the side as a player, let alone as a captain where his decision making skills have been found wanting.

  • spot_on on August 14, 2014, 15:21 GMT

    I so just dont wanna see MSD in test cricket.

  • highonmethane on August 14, 2014, 15:34 GMT

    I don't care about the result of the last match. I just want to see Duncan Fletcher being kicked out. Dhoni was doing pretty okay with Gary Kirsten as coach. Duncan Fletcher has somehow totally negated the gains achieved by Gary Kirsten. I will reserve my judgement of Dhoni once I see him working with a different coach.

  • SeanB on August 14, 2014, 15:42 GMT

    Would Jadeja be picked as a batsman - no. As a spinner - no. He failed even as a fielder - that drop of Cook changed the series. So, why is he in the team? If he is better spinner than Ashwin, both have to go. Time India picked the team based on merit and the selectors were professional. Currently, many players are in because someone bigger than the selectors is picking them. Give Virat and Rohit a long break; they will not value the position else. After Australia dropped Clarke and Ricky Ponting, they came back better players. The way he is playing now, Virat is just not worried about performance. No one is bigger than the team and the selectors have to be bold about it.