South Africa in England 2012 August 29, 2012

Swann rested for remaining ODIs

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Graeme Swann has been rested for the remainder of the one-day series in another indication of the concerns around his troublesome elbow which may require surgery in the future. James Tredwell, the Kent offspinner, will replace him for the final three matches.

Swann will return for the Twenty20 series next month which precedes the World Twenty20 in Sri Lanka where England are defending their title. Despite a lean summer Swann is still integral in all three formats which means there is precious little opportunity to find a long-term fix for his elbow problem which is caused by floating bone fragments.

England play a four-Test series in India during November and December, which will be Alastair Cook's first assignment as Test captain, before returning for a one-day series in the New Year, then there is a full tour of New Zealand which includes three Tests. If Swann does require surgery it cannot be left too late if he wants to regain fitness in time for next year's Ashes series which is followed immediately by a return series in Australia.

Swann, who was controversially dropped for the second Test against South Africa, has taken just 10 Test wickets this season in five matches during a summer badly disrupted by the weather. He was previously rested for the latter part of the one-day series against Australia after England had taken a 2-0 lead, but this time the home side are 1-0 down to South Africa after an 80-run defeat on Wednesday where Swann took 2 for 50.

Tredwell was not included in the World Twenty20 squad - Hampshire's left-arm spinner Danny Briggs was preferred - but remains Swann's understudy in the 50-over format having played the final ODI against Australia at Old Trafford where he took 2 for 23. He has a good chance of featuring on the tour to India, too, having been included as back-up to Swann for the Sri Lanka trip earlier this year.

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  • JG2704 on August 31, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    @Meety on (August 31 2012, 12:51 PM GMT) Difficult one.Spinners can go on for longer than pace bowlers I find. I think the only people who can advise Swann are the medical people. Swann's preferences are tests over other formats so I'm sure all this would have crossed his mind

  • JG2704 on August 31, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    @Akshita29 on (August 31 2012, 15:53 PM GMT) Not sure. I honestly didn't see Flower's comments re resting players for SA/Australia , but I'd be surprised if he meant for all formats. Regardless I think resting a player because he has an injury niggle is different from just resting a player. I'm pretty sure if KP was still an England player and he had a niggle and so close to the T20WC Flower would rest him too. Regardless , Hira's comms that KP got no rest time are wrong. Also I reckon decisions on Broad and Swann were made after consultation with the medical people.

  • Garp on August 31, 2012, 16:59 GMT

    This is also part of the reason there is such a riff is the English dressing room. What is good for some is not for the others. Broad and Swann barring the last Test against SA actually didn't warrant selection. These players who hardly are in form are never made to play County cricket to try and regain form and are given more time off than any professional athlete I've seen in my 44 years of life. This is also why we've been made to look a fool against SA, instead of doing as the South Africans did prior to the series or any other International side does before a series and get as much cricket as possible in to get in form and heighten fitness levels our blokes stay as far away from the game as possible constantly crying over their workload and how hard it is being a cricketer. They show a general lack of respect for their opponents, the paying public who pay outrageous fees for tixs and gear, and the sport with this arrogance and selfishness. Until this is corrected we will fail.

  • Akshita29 on August 31, 2012, 15:53 GMT

    @jg2704 kp was told he would be rested for WIndies Odis but Flower then clearly said no Way he could rest a main player in a odi against SA or Aus . Now how could he rest both broad and Swan. Is not that a double standard . Correct me if I am wrong.

  • Meety on August 31, 2012, 12:51 GMT

    @JG2704 - had posted a longer comment about resting Swann. I think it is time he considers retiring from short forms (after the SL T20 w/cup). The questions are 1) Is Tests the most important format? (Yes), 2. Is Swann the best Test spinner England have? (Yes), 3. DO England want a bowling line up with a spinner in it (Yes, well most of the time). Then Swann MUST be managed correctly & tapped on the shoulder & suggested to retire from the short forms. He is not a spring chicken (33), but in reality, England can get another FIVE years out of him, I think atm, he is heading for maybe two years! Not only he is top class spinner, he is a useful tailender & an excellent slipsmen, he really does need to be managed well, he is a valuable asset.

  • JG2704 on August 31, 2012, 6:48 GMT

    @Hira1 on (August 29 2012, 16:52 PM GMT) I know you don't like to face the facts but KP was due to be rested for the WI ODI series shortly after he announced his retirement and basically rested himself from England period.

  • cric_fan_ on August 31, 2012, 4:47 GMT

    what's with bopara, he is performing every match by either scoring runs or taking wickets and the one time he doesn't perform everyone comes for his head. if he gets dropped it'd be good for India because he is England's best player against spin.

  • cric_fan_ on August 31, 2012, 4:41 GMT

    what happened to panesar? why isn't he being considered for selection? he looked to be at par with swann in recent times.

  • Buckers410 on August 30, 2012, 21:21 GMT

    England have issues at the moment, as we can see. Swann is soooo overated and should be replaced by Tredwell, who is taking far more wickets and in better form. Team for India tests should be: 1. Cook (c) 2. Trott 3. Morgan 4. Bell 5. Bairstow 6. Prior 7. Broad 8. Tredwell 9. Anderson 10. Panesar 11. Finn with Bresnan and other spinners going on the tour

  • JG2704 on August 30, 2012, 19:47 GMT

    @Meety on (August 30 2012, 00:32 AM GMT) Could be right there. I certainly don't see Patel as a spinner in tests - more of a batsman who is not good enough to be a 5th bowler but a better option than Bopara or Trott

  • JG2704 on August 31, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    @Meety on (August 31 2012, 12:51 PM GMT) Difficult one.Spinners can go on for longer than pace bowlers I find. I think the only people who can advise Swann are the medical people. Swann's preferences are tests over other formats so I'm sure all this would have crossed his mind

  • JG2704 on August 31, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    @Akshita29 on (August 31 2012, 15:53 PM GMT) Not sure. I honestly didn't see Flower's comments re resting players for SA/Australia , but I'd be surprised if he meant for all formats. Regardless I think resting a player because he has an injury niggle is different from just resting a player. I'm pretty sure if KP was still an England player and he had a niggle and so close to the T20WC Flower would rest him too. Regardless , Hira's comms that KP got no rest time are wrong. Also I reckon decisions on Broad and Swann were made after consultation with the medical people.

  • Garp on August 31, 2012, 16:59 GMT

    This is also part of the reason there is such a riff is the English dressing room. What is good for some is not for the others. Broad and Swann barring the last Test against SA actually didn't warrant selection. These players who hardly are in form are never made to play County cricket to try and regain form and are given more time off than any professional athlete I've seen in my 44 years of life. This is also why we've been made to look a fool against SA, instead of doing as the South Africans did prior to the series or any other International side does before a series and get as much cricket as possible in to get in form and heighten fitness levels our blokes stay as far away from the game as possible constantly crying over their workload and how hard it is being a cricketer. They show a general lack of respect for their opponents, the paying public who pay outrageous fees for tixs and gear, and the sport with this arrogance and selfishness. Until this is corrected we will fail.

  • Akshita29 on August 31, 2012, 15:53 GMT

    @jg2704 kp was told he would be rested for WIndies Odis but Flower then clearly said no Way he could rest a main player in a odi against SA or Aus . Now how could he rest both broad and Swan. Is not that a double standard . Correct me if I am wrong.

  • Meety on August 31, 2012, 12:51 GMT

    @JG2704 - had posted a longer comment about resting Swann. I think it is time he considers retiring from short forms (after the SL T20 w/cup). The questions are 1) Is Tests the most important format? (Yes), 2. Is Swann the best Test spinner England have? (Yes), 3. DO England want a bowling line up with a spinner in it (Yes, well most of the time). Then Swann MUST be managed correctly & tapped on the shoulder & suggested to retire from the short forms. He is not a spring chicken (33), but in reality, England can get another FIVE years out of him, I think atm, he is heading for maybe two years! Not only he is top class spinner, he is a useful tailender & an excellent slipsmen, he really does need to be managed well, he is a valuable asset.

  • JG2704 on August 31, 2012, 6:48 GMT

    @Hira1 on (August 29 2012, 16:52 PM GMT) I know you don't like to face the facts but KP was due to be rested for the WI ODI series shortly after he announced his retirement and basically rested himself from England period.

  • cric_fan_ on August 31, 2012, 4:47 GMT

    what's with bopara, he is performing every match by either scoring runs or taking wickets and the one time he doesn't perform everyone comes for his head. if he gets dropped it'd be good for India because he is England's best player against spin.

  • cric_fan_ on August 31, 2012, 4:41 GMT

    what happened to panesar? why isn't he being considered for selection? he looked to be at par with swann in recent times.

  • Buckers410 on August 30, 2012, 21:21 GMT

    England have issues at the moment, as we can see. Swann is soooo overated and should be replaced by Tredwell, who is taking far more wickets and in better form. Team for India tests should be: 1. Cook (c) 2. Trott 3. Morgan 4. Bell 5. Bairstow 6. Prior 7. Broad 8. Tredwell 9. Anderson 10. Panesar 11. Finn with Bresnan and other spinners going on the tour

  • JG2704 on August 30, 2012, 19:47 GMT

    @Meety on (August 30 2012, 00:32 AM GMT) Could be right there. I certainly don't see Patel as a spinner in tests - more of a batsman who is not good enough to be a 5th bowler but a better option than Bopara or Trott

  • JG2704 on August 30, 2012, 19:47 GMT

    @WickyRoy.paklover on (August 30 2012, 08:02 AM GMT) Wow , superb thoughtful post with great trendy text speech too.

  • The_bowlers_Holding on August 30, 2012, 16:06 GMT

    I concur with the comments re:playing well in unfavourable conditions. I would have liked to see young Briggs given a shot but that was not going to happen and I guess Treadwell has done the waiting game. I actually agree with Randy0z re: Krumble and Paps123 nice to see an honest appraisal of a decent player and lets not forget the front man in a band!

  • WickyRoy.paklover on August 30, 2012, 13:34 GMT

    @paps1,we would b privilgd to read ur comments about ur vry own "HARBHAJAN".

  • liz1558 on August 30, 2012, 13:29 GMT

    @RandyOZ - did I say Kumble? I meant Underwood.

  • jpeacock158 on August 30, 2012, 11:50 GMT

    David Buttle 21.29pm- Nice long list of players there, but how closely do you follow county cricket? James Vince, maybe one for a few years time (technique-wise he's brilliant), but just too inconsistent at the moment. Liam Dawson is a batsman that bowls a bit (sort of to Trott / Collingwood standard) not a spinner. Yes he got KP but what left-arm spinner hasn't? Buttler isn't really a longer-form cricketer, Gale hasn't scored that many runs consistently, Tremlett keeps breaking down injured back etc... Rashid has only just got back in the picture for Yorkshire let alone England, Ashraf hasn't played enough and Shahzad has been sent packing to Lancs due to poor attitude and hasn't done great there either! I do agree though that Carberry and Onions should be in the picture, Onions may prove to be one hell of an unlucky bowler in terms of not being selected!

  • on August 30, 2012, 10:49 GMT

    Swan has been bowling rubbish TBH Pieterson is a better off-spinner. Panesar is by far the best English spinner

  • Yevghenny on August 30, 2012, 10:10 GMT

    Swann is overrated. What is this rubbish about his elbow? If his elbow means he is now completely toothless against right handers and assuming with more regularity the role of containment, why is he being selected and put up in front of the press to tell us all how much better England are now without Pietersen?! And as a side note this whole resting players business is starting to get out of control - from both sides - YOU PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR THESE GAMES MONTHS IN ADVANCE, YOU EXPECT TO SEE THE BEST SIDES TURN UP. If you have to rest players, that tells you there is too much being played

  • o-bomb on August 30, 2012, 10:06 GMT

    If Swann needs surgery he should get it done as soon as he can in order to prolong his career. He is an important part of the team and we need him at his best. I don't think he's at his best when there's this injury hanging over him and threatening to come back at any time.

  • RandyOZ on August 30, 2012, 9:40 GMT

    @ liz1558 - nice try trying to put Kumble up there with Warne and Murali. He isn't even close.

  • paps123 on August 30, 2012, 8:16 GMT

    I am an Indian but I feel Swann is miles ahead of any other spinner in the world even today. If nothing else, he bowls with a straight arm and does not bowl the Doosra which in all honesty just cannot be bowled without a dodgy action. we can have our host of sub continent spinners but you pay money to watch a bowler like Swann. The simple art of Off spin bowling without any controversy

  • liz1558 on August 30, 2012, 8:15 GMT

    Swann is not in the class of Murali, Warne, Kumble etc, who is? But give him the right conditions and he wins matches. His overall stats might not be great against Aus, India and SA, but against all of them he has won games. If he's fit he's got to go. If India go for raging turners, then he (as he did in SL) will do just as well as the home spinners. Cha.

  • WickyRoy.paklover on August 30, 2012, 8:02 GMT

    Most Ove.ratd bowlr evr in d history of game,his figures lokd gd sme time ago becoz of imran farhat.HIS RECORD Z Some what similar to our "mushi",he z no way where near ajmal,saqi,murali or warne.

  • warneneverchuck on August 30, 2012, 7:27 GMT

    I think Swan will be rested forever after India tour

  • the_blue_android on August 30, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    @landl47 <<< I'd rather see him get it fixed now, even if it costs him the Indian tour>> I'm sure that's what James Anderson and Stuart Broad are thinking too along with Swann.

  • satish619chandar on August 30, 2012, 5:12 GMT

    Let us be fair. Swann is no more a bowler he was last year and i would still attribute his major success to the left handers than the righties. These days he became very ineffective against the right handed batsmen. Not sure why the management is looking into that fact. Plus, in tests, Monty had performed miles ahead of him and deserves to be named as first choice. Tough time for selectors.

  • landl47 on August 30, 2012, 4:10 GMT

    Swann has bowled very well, mainly in conditions that didn't favor him. Have to laugh at the Indian fans decrying him- I guess they've forgotten the 2011 Oval test. Swann 9-208, Mishra 0-170, England win by an innings. Swann's 16 wickets in two games in Sri Lanka this year showed exactly how successful he would have been if he had played more on spinning wickets. The elbow injury is a major worry, and frankly, I'd rather see him get it fixed now, even if it costs him the Indian tour. I'm sure he's anxious to bowl there- whch spinner wouldn't be after toiling away in England in the Summer we've just had- but we have others, like Tredwell, Panesar (Monty just took 13-137 in a county match), Kerrigan and Briggs, who can do the job there. Swanny will be needed for the Ashes series next year, a rather more important clash to England fans.

  • on August 30, 2012, 4:01 GMT

    Swann is very overratted player. Yes he is good bowler but not extra ordinary. His stats never make him legend, and i think england will not much suffer in his absence.

  • torsha on August 30, 2012, 3:20 GMT

    In other words: "Swann has been dropped from ODIs due to poor performance".

  • givenUP on August 30, 2012, 3:16 GMT

    He is the most over rated bowler ever. If you don't believe me, just remove the Scandalous Pakistan series of 2010 out of his records and you will see how ordinary he is. He averages 40 or thereabouts against Australia, SA and India. In my opinion if you can not perform against the best sides then you should never be considered one of the best.......then you are just an ordinary bowler.. SO PLZ stop this whole buzz about Swann... he is just not good enough and now ECB is sheltering him...

  • bringbackbrucelaird on August 30, 2012, 2:54 GMT

    Best England Off Spinner since Jim Laker. Had a long wait to play tests and will finish with 200+ wickets at 30. Not great but better than the rank and file crap that England used to roll out (Peter Such, Nick Cook, Robert Croft etc.....). Hope he plays in the next Ashes so he can bow out on a losing note.

  • the_blue_android on August 30, 2012, 2:09 GMT

    Unfortunately Swann will never be truly tested, this guy will retire soon citing injuries, flutter of black wings etc and he will be called a legend by the english media where as in reality his only contribution was taking a few wickets against the clueless Ozzies who can never play spin. I really hope he's fit for the Indian tour. Pujara and Kohli will really show him how average he is.

  • Tamimfan on August 30, 2012, 1:05 GMT

    good news for bangladesh supporters bcos shakib will move up one place in bowling ranking. swann will lose few points for not playing matches. haha funny ranking by icc. shakib going up without playing match and swann going down for not playing matches

  • Meety on August 30, 2012, 0:32 GMT

    @JG2704 - If Swann's elbow concerns persist, England will really need to have a look at how they blood their spinning generation next. There is some options, Kerrigan (from an Ozzy POV), gets a tick. Not sure if Patel is an option at anything other than T20s.

  • jb633 on August 29, 2012, 23:32 GMT

    @Anesh- yeah I agree with you. Monty should not be overlooked. I certainly think against India we will need Monty in full force. With numerous right handers in their side I forsee Monty being a greater threat than Swanny.

  • mcsdl on August 29, 2012, 22:59 GMT

    Graem Swann is another overrated bowler who is at his best could be a water boy to guys like Warnes and Muralis...! Even a guy like Ajmal taught him a lesson in Dubai few months back...!

  • Highflyer_GP on August 29, 2012, 22:12 GMT

    Swann and Broad trying to prevent their mediocre records from turning into abysmal ones.

  • Lmaotsetung on August 29, 2012, 22:00 GMT

    Monty is done. He might not even be in the picture for the test team. I firmly believe his 2 horrendous drop in Sri Lanka has cost him of any chance of playing for Eng again. Not that he dropped 2 sitters but the way he dropped them...techniques, etc.

  • on August 29, 2012, 21:29 GMT

    I think Swann needs a rest and his injury sorting. We must have a young spinner with experiance with bat and ball, Liam Dawson springs to mind . He did get Pietersen first ball.

    I think the Aussies will be looking forward to taking on a new build Team England.

    We need to bring on the players that can do it but have been left in the Shadows, Carberry, Jos Butler,Tremlett, Onions,Vince, Briggs, Gale,Wright,Rashid,Ashraf,Shahzad, and the list goes on.

  • couchpundit on August 29, 2012, 20:31 GMT

    LOL GOOD EXCUSE to avoid any questions(if he is selected and performs poorly..which is a certainity against Indian batsmen) on INDIA Tour.

    These Indian bowlers should learn form people like him and shane warne on how to avoid India Trip(which is a mine filed for non-subcontinental spinners), If only Harbhajan,kumble and others site injuries and run away from tours to australia and england, ending up with better records.

  • on August 29, 2012, 20:18 GMT

    where is panesar give him a reasonable chance

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on August 29, 2012, 20:17 GMT

    Swann being rested makes sense, he's played a heck of a lot of cricket in the last year, England'll want him fresh for India. Nice to see those who are bitterly still unable to forget their Ashes hammerings out in force today.

  • JG2704 on August 29, 2012, 19:22 GMT

    @RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on (August 29 2012, 15:20 PM GMT) Wouldn't mind seeing Briggs given a go. Maybe they want a more experienced bowler for this one and also someone who can bat a little

  • on August 29, 2012, 18:38 GMT

    Agree with Dheeraj, looks like we've written off this series already - Swann was one of the few (along with Bell) who looked in good shape in the last game. Bresnan looks far more in need of a rest. I suspect there's a lot going on behind the scenes that isn't being made public. Would've liked to have seen one of the young guys like Briggs given some experience rather than going back to Tredwell. Time to be looking forward - and I would include getting KP back in the fold ASAP as part of that...

  • kpisa---- on August 29, 2012, 18:35 GMT

    As a Kent supporter i am delighted to se Tredwell get another opportunity yo show what he can do. But this really does beg the question how bad is Swann's injury? He has had a poor summer, and was niot gteat last winter, has he been worked out or is the elbow taking that little something from his bowling? hwoever plays in India will need to be on top of their game, if Swann needs an operation get it done asap so that he can return fully fit next year for the Ashes.

  • NaniIndCri on August 29, 2012, 17:21 GMT

    He'll comeback against NZ to to prove he is "best"

  • sirvivfan on August 29, 2012, 16:57 GMT

    Big hype about these players, thry convince eve r body that they are better they actually are. Also arrogant at that. Remember seeing Swan lead the players in when Panesar Out bowled him and took 6 wickets! No respect!

  • Hira1 on August 29, 2012, 16:52 GMT

    every one is getting rest in england team except for one who was suppose to play all formats and all matches including county as well............

  • Front-Foot_lunge on August 29, 2012, 16:04 GMT

    This is turning into a disastrous summer for Team England. Oh the hubris of the start of the year,with talk of how good the team thought it was. This is now replaced with utter disappointment. If it was not for the series against the Windies early in the year, there was the real possibility that this could well have been a home win-less summer. Swans departure is yet another crack in team England, Strauss has gone, Peiterson has gone, Swann's done, Broads a busted flush and 'Jimmy' anderson is now a struggling net bowler. Trotts average is nosediving like a spitfire shot out of the sky, and Cooks scratching at the crease. Things will not improve with the added burden of the captaincy. Oh how we lauded our 'depth' but i'm afraid there is nothing in the cupboard...and if our performance in the U19 world cup is anything to go by, there is scant talent coming up. Dark times ahead. The aussies must be licking their lips at the prospect if facing us next year,

  • Akshita29 on August 29, 2012, 15:39 GMT

    Oh come on, how come broad and swan gets rested so much. Swan's should follow his test captain , and keep himself busy with writing newspaper articles .

  • jpeacock158 on August 29, 2012, 15:37 GMT

    The ECB should rest Swann for when NZ tour here, there one of the poorest Test sides and we could allow Tredwell to play. He's good enough easily. We can then let a young spinner carry the drinks and back him up such as Kerrigan or Briggs or Borthwick.

  • RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on August 29, 2012, 15:20 GMT

    why not give danny briggs who isin the t20 wc team a chance?

  • tommytucker on August 29, 2012, 15:18 GMT

    Also commonly known as - dropped.

  • Venki_indian on August 29, 2012, 15:10 GMT

    the most overrated spinner of all time!!!

  • Venki_indian on August 29, 2012, 15:09 GMT

    It is 'Swann dropped for remaining ODIs'

  • SurlyCynic on August 29, 2012, 15:03 GMT

    Perhaps he needs the time to work on another autobiography.

  • rockyyy on August 29, 2012, 14:54 GMT

    England not showing interest in No.1 ranking in ODi , still they can achieve if swan spins the ball

  • on August 29, 2012, 14:50 GMT

    One of the most over-rated players in the world. England must be secretly happy with this.

  • jb633 on August 29, 2012, 14:48 GMT

    Spin bowlers should not need rest. Swann missed the second test and therefore needs to bowl overs to get some rhythm up Maybe SA can afford to rest their best bowlers but we certainly can't. This decision baffles me.

  • anuradha_d on August 29, 2012, 14:44 GMT

    Broad gets rest.....Swann gets rest....if you are a Flower favourite you get rest....and KP's complain stands validated

  • on August 29, 2012, 14:38 GMT

    rested? have england already accepted defeat? Swann was the only one who bowled well for england.

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  • on August 29, 2012, 14:38 GMT

    rested? have england already accepted defeat? Swann was the only one who bowled well for england.

  • anuradha_d on August 29, 2012, 14:44 GMT

    Broad gets rest.....Swann gets rest....if you are a Flower favourite you get rest....and KP's complain stands validated

  • jb633 on August 29, 2012, 14:48 GMT

    Spin bowlers should not need rest. Swann missed the second test and therefore needs to bowl overs to get some rhythm up Maybe SA can afford to rest their best bowlers but we certainly can't. This decision baffles me.

  • on August 29, 2012, 14:50 GMT

    One of the most over-rated players in the world. England must be secretly happy with this.

  • rockyyy on August 29, 2012, 14:54 GMT

    England not showing interest in No.1 ranking in ODi , still they can achieve if swan spins the ball

  • SurlyCynic on August 29, 2012, 15:03 GMT

    Perhaps he needs the time to work on another autobiography.

  • Venki_indian on August 29, 2012, 15:09 GMT

    It is 'Swann dropped for remaining ODIs'

  • Venki_indian on August 29, 2012, 15:10 GMT

    the most overrated spinner of all time!!!

  • tommytucker on August 29, 2012, 15:18 GMT

    Also commonly known as - dropped.

  • RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on August 29, 2012, 15:20 GMT

    why not give danny briggs who isin the t20 wc team a chance?