England v WI, 2nd Test, Trent Bridge, 4th day May 28, 2012

Samuels' lone defiance

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Gesture of the day
At the end of West Indies' innings, England's players were about to run up the pavilion steps when many of them stopped. Trailing behind them was a dejected Marlon Samuels, trudging off the pitch knowing that the 193 runs he had contributed in the match would still not be enough to save his side from defeat. England appreciated the effort, though. They waited for Samuels, allowed him to climb the steps before them and applauded him all the way. Whatever else that has happened this series Samuels has earned the respect of this England team.

Review of the day
If West Indies were to have any chance of setting England a testing total, it was essential that someone in West Indies' tail stayed with Samuels well into the afternoon session. The dismissal of Kemar Roach snuffed out their last realistic chance. Roach was caught on the crease, playing across a straight one from James Anderson. While Asad Rauf, the on-field umpire, said not out' England were convinced and utilised the DRS. Replays showed that the delivery would have hit leg stump and, for the second time in the match, Rauf was over-ruled. It was due reward for another deserving display from Anderson but capped an uncharacteristically flawed performance from the normally excellent Rauf.

Shot of the day
Left with only Ravi Rampaul for company, Samuels decided the best response to the situation was to counter-attack. The second six in an over - the first one hit an unfortunate spectator - was a brutal blow over long-on off Graeme Swann and helped West Indies take 17 off the over. It was a rare moment of joy on another disappointing day for West Indies.

Miss of the day
By the time Andrew Strauss, on 34, edged Darren Sammy between the keeper and the wide first slip, the game was already decided. England were 64 without loss and required only another 44 for victory. By the fact that Denesh Ramdin did not even attempt the chance that flew a little way to his left provided an illustration of the ebbing spirit within this West Indies side. While they have, once again, fought hard for sustained periods, they have now lost six of their last eight Tests and have won only two of their last 32. After all that, do they really believe they can win?

Delay of the day
Jonathan Trott's ritualistic marking of his guard has been known to delay - and irritate - a few bowlers. While most have contented themselves with a few words and a mean glare, Marlon Samuels decided to make Trott wait for him. Having watched while Trott took guard, surveyed the field, adjusted his thigh guard to ensure it was comfortable and then checked his guard once more, Samuels could see the batsman was finally ready. Instead of bowling, though, Saumels aimed a practise delivery towards mid-on to leave a bemused Trott in the unfamiliar position of waiting for the bowler.

Frustration of the day
With only one wicket to his name and well over a hundred runs conceded, Shane Shillingford could not be said to have enjoyed a good match. But, as England closed on victory, there were a few signs of what might have been had West Indies top-order been able to deliver a larger target. Shillingford beat the bat on several occasions and, by drawing a bat-pad edge from Jonathan Trott that flew past short-leg, showed the skill that helped him take 10 wickets against Australia in his previous Test. He also beat Alastair Cook's forward grope with one that turned sharply past the batsman's outside edge. Had West Indies not endured that awful final session on day three, Shillingford might have been a dangerous proposition on the final day.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY Itchy on | May 31, 2012, 2:33 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge: like they did against Pakistan in the Emirates right!? Englands old ways is looking terrible while getting thrashed at least in my memory of the late 80s and all of the 90s.

  • POSTED BY on | May 30, 2012, 7:14 GMT

    I think the little experiment that Gibson & co have been trying out has run its course. Its time for serious changes as it could not be clearer that most of the people involved with WICB especially the Coaches, the selectors, Mr Hillaire & Hunte et al either are against progress or are going about it the wrong way. We need to put sensible people who know about business, media, cricket & management in charge of our cricket. I am sure persons like Lloyd, Croft, Walsh , Ambrose, Richards, Adams, Holding , Bishop, Lara would not do a worse job that the persons in charge now. Especially if persons like Cozier, Crossgill, Bell , Mohammed are aroun as well

  • POSTED BY ilyas on | May 29, 2012, 9:34 GMT

    Oh yes I forgot to mention the coach and the wicket keeper. Ottis needs to get real and understand that test cricket is not the place to blood a group of inexperienced players all at the same time - one or two is fine but not so many in absolutely crucial positions. The attitude and effort of the team has improved but thats not enough against top sides. As for Ramdin - did he not say before this series that he was planning to score three 50s? Too late for that! His basic flaw of hanging on the back foot has not been eradicated and at this stage will it ever be? Even being dropped for a year has not led to an improvement in his game and his wicket keeping has been terrible. WI cannot go back to Baugh and obviously Ramdin has to play the next test but WI should have a process in place to identify and groom some wkt keeping/batting talent as they cannot continue with Ramdin/Baugh batting at 7. Hell I reckon I could score more runs then them two combined!!!!

  • POSTED BY ilyas on | May 29, 2012, 9:20 GMT

    Enough is enough - in life, business and sport you learn from your mistakes and make the relevant changes. Unfortunately the opening 4 batsmen dont seem to be learning. They have talent but Powell needs to learn his game in the middle order, Barath is struggling due to the pressure of not having an experienced partner alongside him and Bravo and Edwards have technical flaws against the moving ball, especially Edwards. Windies need to have some experience at the top to help the younger players and Gayle is the person even though i have been very critical of his attitude. For the next test Fudadin and Deonarine have to play other wise what was the point of bringing them? They cannot perform worse than what is currently there - probably dropping Powell and Edwards!

  • POSTED BY scottyg on | May 29, 2012, 7:37 GMT

    West Indies need to teach some of these 'talented' youngsters a lesson and drop them for the 3rd test- Barath should go for Deonarine- who is a better bat and good 5th bowling option and Fudaddin should get a game in place of edwards. I believe that Bravo should open with Powel (he practicaly opens anyway)l, Fuddadin 3 Samuels 4 Chanders 5 Deonarine 6 Sammy 7 Randim 8 (and drop him as soon as you find anyone who can keep and hold a bat) Shillingford 9 Roach 10 Rampual 11. When the WICB get a life the team should be Gayle Powell Bravo Samuels Chanders Sarwan Russell/Sammy Baugh/Randim (both are useless) Rampaul Roach Narine By the way, can any of the windies batsman keep because they would sure do a better job than Randim.

  • POSTED BY gloriouscricket on | May 29, 2012, 6:18 GMT

    I,ve said it before--Marlon Samuels is a special talent, a class act--his confidence is coming through, he along with Chanderpaul will lead this WINDIES team to a place of respectability in world cricket.This match wasn,t the one to play Shillingford in; I would,ve selected Deonarine--He is a good all rounder,his bowling is good, his fielding is good, he needs to be on the field.It,s difficult for me to bring back Powell, Barath or Edwards k for the third test[I know they will prove me wrong]. My team? Gayle, Dwayne Smith,Bravo,Samuels,Chanderpaul,Deonarine,Ramdin,Roach,Rampaul,Sammy,Russel.I KNOW K Edwards,Barath will work out their game;Powell needs to play some more first class games,his lack of maturity is beating him, he needs time.This team needs the experience of Gayle, Smith at the top,with Deonarine in the middle.Benn should retain a spot against New Zealand;His stats speaks loud.Thats it for now.Sammy keeps working--good man.Go Windies.

  • POSTED BY on | May 29, 2012, 1:50 GMT

    @satspeare, like your selection but you can't have Fudadin twice in the same eleven:)

  • POSTED BY on | May 29, 2012, 1:17 GMT

    Now with Marlon Samuels batting true to his undeniable potential and in a dream run - add Shiv Chanders and Sammy ( yes he is good enuf with a century and bwled 35 overs- few allrounders today can do that). we need 3 more good batters - Darren Bravo ( another gem but dissapointing) & thats it - we need to oust 2 out of the first 3 who are the lamest sitting ducks among all the world batting lineups. Barath looks slightly better so can be retained . Now.. Let the past be past & get Gayle back & Sarwan ! All respect to the new culture trying to be fostered by Sammy-Gibson but performances on the field not resulting . Why? desire and discipline is fine but most imp is talent and ability! its not the other way round please ! So wud Narine wallk in & complte the batting wud be Deonarine who impressed against oz . And dont discard Dwayne Bravo- heck , its only runs on board which count - who cares if bravo plays an IPL style 50 - 50 is a fifty !

  • POSTED BY on | May 29, 2012, 0:23 GMT

    Well done Samuels in a losing cause, you finally established some consistency after playing for more than 10 years. Perhaps you now need some support around you otherwise you can't do the lone act yourself especially when Chanderpaul and Sammy fails. All the best for he next test.

  • POSTED BY SirDallas on | May 29, 2012, 0:05 GMT

    @maximum6... I agree with you. It is no doubt that young Bravo is a talent but the problem is the failure of the top order to putting too much pressure on the young man. He still needs guidance and more development after all. Would love to see Narine in the maroon and Lendl Simmons wearing the keepers gloves.

  • POSTED BY Itchy on | May 31, 2012, 2:33 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge: like they did against Pakistan in the Emirates right!? Englands old ways is looking terrible while getting thrashed at least in my memory of the late 80s and all of the 90s.

  • POSTED BY on | May 30, 2012, 7:14 GMT

    I think the little experiment that Gibson & co have been trying out has run its course. Its time for serious changes as it could not be clearer that most of the people involved with WICB especially the Coaches, the selectors, Mr Hillaire & Hunte et al either are against progress or are going about it the wrong way. We need to put sensible people who know about business, media, cricket & management in charge of our cricket. I am sure persons like Lloyd, Croft, Walsh , Ambrose, Richards, Adams, Holding , Bishop, Lara would not do a worse job that the persons in charge now. Especially if persons like Cozier, Crossgill, Bell , Mohammed are aroun as well

  • POSTED BY ilyas on | May 29, 2012, 9:34 GMT

    Oh yes I forgot to mention the coach and the wicket keeper. Ottis needs to get real and understand that test cricket is not the place to blood a group of inexperienced players all at the same time - one or two is fine but not so many in absolutely crucial positions. The attitude and effort of the team has improved but thats not enough against top sides. As for Ramdin - did he not say before this series that he was planning to score three 50s? Too late for that! His basic flaw of hanging on the back foot has not been eradicated and at this stage will it ever be? Even being dropped for a year has not led to an improvement in his game and his wicket keeping has been terrible. WI cannot go back to Baugh and obviously Ramdin has to play the next test but WI should have a process in place to identify and groom some wkt keeping/batting talent as they cannot continue with Ramdin/Baugh batting at 7. Hell I reckon I could score more runs then them two combined!!!!

  • POSTED BY ilyas on | May 29, 2012, 9:20 GMT

    Enough is enough - in life, business and sport you learn from your mistakes and make the relevant changes. Unfortunately the opening 4 batsmen dont seem to be learning. They have talent but Powell needs to learn his game in the middle order, Barath is struggling due to the pressure of not having an experienced partner alongside him and Bravo and Edwards have technical flaws against the moving ball, especially Edwards. Windies need to have some experience at the top to help the younger players and Gayle is the person even though i have been very critical of his attitude. For the next test Fudadin and Deonarine have to play other wise what was the point of bringing them? They cannot perform worse than what is currently there - probably dropping Powell and Edwards!

  • POSTED BY scottyg on | May 29, 2012, 7:37 GMT

    West Indies need to teach some of these 'talented' youngsters a lesson and drop them for the 3rd test- Barath should go for Deonarine- who is a better bat and good 5th bowling option and Fudaddin should get a game in place of edwards. I believe that Bravo should open with Powel (he practicaly opens anyway)l, Fuddadin 3 Samuels 4 Chanders 5 Deonarine 6 Sammy 7 Randim 8 (and drop him as soon as you find anyone who can keep and hold a bat) Shillingford 9 Roach 10 Rampual 11. When the WICB get a life the team should be Gayle Powell Bravo Samuels Chanders Sarwan Russell/Sammy Baugh/Randim (both are useless) Rampaul Roach Narine By the way, can any of the windies batsman keep because they would sure do a better job than Randim.

  • POSTED BY gloriouscricket on | May 29, 2012, 6:18 GMT

    I,ve said it before--Marlon Samuels is a special talent, a class act--his confidence is coming through, he along with Chanderpaul will lead this WINDIES team to a place of respectability in world cricket.This match wasn,t the one to play Shillingford in; I would,ve selected Deonarine--He is a good all rounder,his bowling is good, his fielding is good, he needs to be on the field.It,s difficult for me to bring back Powell, Barath or Edwards k for the third test[I know they will prove me wrong]. My team? Gayle, Dwayne Smith,Bravo,Samuels,Chanderpaul,Deonarine,Ramdin,Roach,Rampaul,Sammy,Russel.I KNOW K Edwards,Barath will work out their game;Powell needs to play some more first class games,his lack of maturity is beating him, he needs time.This team needs the experience of Gayle, Smith at the top,with Deonarine in the middle.Benn should retain a spot against New Zealand;His stats speaks loud.Thats it for now.Sammy keeps working--good man.Go Windies.

  • POSTED BY on | May 29, 2012, 1:50 GMT

    @satspeare, like your selection but you can't have Fudadin twice in the same eleven:)

  • POSTED BY on | May 29, 2012, 1:17 GMT

    Now with Marlon Samuels batting true to his undeniable potential and in a dream run - add Shiv Chanders and Sammy ( yes he is good enuf with a century and bwled 35 overs- few allrounders today can do that). we need 3 more good batters - Darren Bravo ( another gem but dissapointing) & thats it - we need to oust 2 out of the first 3 who are the lamest sitting ducks among all the world batting lineups. Barath looks slightly better so can be retained . Now.. Let the past be past & get Gayle back & Sarwan ! All respect to the new culture trying to be fostered by Sammy-Gibson but performances on the field not resulting . Why? desire and discipline is fine but most imp is talent and ability! its not the other way round please ! So wud Narine wallk in & complte the batting wud be Deonarine who impressed against oz . And dont discard Dwayne Bravo- heck , its only runs on board which count - who cares if bravo plays an IPL style 50 - 50 is a fifty !

  • POSTED BY on | May 29, 2012, 0:23 GMT

    Well done Samuels in a losing cause, you finally established some consistency after playing for more than 10 years. Perhaps you now need some support around you otherwise you can't do the lone act yourself especially when Chanderpaul and Sammy fails. All the best for he next test.

  • POSTED BY SirDallas on | May 29, 2012, 0:05 GMT

    @maximum6... I agree with you. It is no doubt that young Bravo is a talent but the problem is the failure of the top order to putting too much pressure on the young man. He still needs guidance and more development after all. Would love to see Narine in the maroon and Lendl Simmons wearing the keepers gloves.

  • POSTED BY 2.14istherunrate on | May 28, 2012, 23:06 GMT

    Just had to say how much I enjoyed Samuels' batting. His timing is completely dreamy; a very stylish cultured player who has finally reached maturity as a player and added application to his gifts.As for the failing players above him it has to be remembered that one or two of them are having to play at a level which is at the moment above what they should be playing- ie WI A. Only Bravo of them really has bridged the gap so far.Patience is really required for them to develope.

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | May 28, 2012, 21:49 GMT

    We liked Samuels performance in this Test. Terrific.

  • POSTED BY satspeare on | May 28, 2012, 20:46 GMT

    my team for the 3rd test (selected from the Squad only) 1. Adrian Barath 2. Narsingh Deonarine 3. Marlon Samuels 4. Assad Fudadin 5.Shiv Chanderpaul 6. Assad Fudadin 7. Darren Sammy 8. Denesh Ramdin 9. Kemar Roach 10.Ravi Rampaul 11.Tino Best If eveyone is available and WICB grow up, my team would be 1. Chris Gayle 2. Adrian Barath 3. Sarwan (C) 4. Marlon Samuels 5. Shiv Chanderpaul 6. Assad Fudadin / Narsingh Deonarine 7. Denesh Ramdin / Carlton Baugh 8. Kemar Roach 9. Jerome Taylor 10. Ravi Rampaul 11. Sunil Narine / Bishoo. If Sammy has to be in the team, I will have him at # 6 instead of Fudadin/Deonarine I hope that we are learning that we really cannot afford to let go almost all our experience players at the same time. We do NEED to rebuild but a mixture of youth and experience is what is the order for now - I believe. Somehow our conversation need to include Benn, Miller, Santokie, Simmons, Russel and Smith

  • POSTED BY dwaynerenville on | May 28, 2012, 19:34 GMT

    A backward management of folks stuck in their old ways, a mediocre pair of captain and coach, a bunch of talents enticed with opportunity and fame, and what do you get? Loss after loss! The fist experienced batsman walks to the crease at No. 5; how can this be a building process? This is a huge mistake and another sign of gross incompetence. As we call it in Guyana: school boys "bat-and-ball" cricket where nothing is at stake, not even pride; the folks who get to play are the friends of the owner of the bat and ball.

  • POSTED BY satspeare on | May 28, 2012, 18:50 GMT

    @Asiba, drop Chanderpaul? If he wouldn't bat at #3? Well he has batted at #3 and failed. Shiv has batted at every position from 2nd to 8th. He is at HIS best at #5, where he should stay. What more must this man do for WI. See below for prior to this series Position Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 2nd 1997-1998 2 2 1 74 58* 74.00 43.02 0 1 3rd 1995-2001 18 29 2 925 137* 34.25 41.47 1 6 4th 1998-2010 26 40 6 1197 166 35.20 37.97 2 7 5th 1996-2012 76 117 19 5309 203* 54.17 43.62 14 29 6th 1994-2011 35 46 10 2414 147* 67.05 43.58 7 16 7th 1994-2003 5 5 1 219 109 54.75 47.92 1 1 8th 1994-1994 1 1 0 4 4 4.00 22.22 0 0 Thanks for posting !! For #rd test, select Gayle, Fudadin & Deonarine and drop Powell, Bravo and Edware

  • POSTED BY yocasi on | May 28, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    Funny how you don't hear any Trini calling for the heads of Barath, Bravo & Ramdin. I still can't see why Baugh was dropped. His recent keeping was wonderful and in terms of batting, there's nothing to separate him from Ramdin. My team vs NZ for the tests would have 1. Gayle, 2. Devon Smith, 3. Samuel,s 4.Bravo Jr, 5. Chanders, 6. Sammy, 7. Devon Thomas, 8. Roach, 9. Rampaul, 10. Andrew Richardson, 11. Shillingford. Why Devon Smith? None of the other openers is as good as him; he had a rough time with Hafeez in the ODIs and was too hastily discarded. Why Devon Thomas? The multiple batting failures of Baugh & Ramdin means we ought to keep searching for a keeper who can put 30 on the board and last an hr at the crease.

  • POSTED BY Herath-UK on | May 28, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    It was a poor show by WI in spite of having a relatively sunny early summer in comparison to the Lankans last year who had to face dismal weather but finally did much better.I think IPL is doing a serious damage to WI.Sammy looked much dejected but somehow should manage to get his troops to avert a whitewash. Ranil Herath-Kent

  • POSTED BY SoLucien on | May 28, 2012, 17:26 GMT

    @Otis Fisher. Can you imagine if Jamaican atlethics came under the umbrella of CARICOM and jokers like the WICB? People would be picked based on if they are like or not by the powers that be.

  • POSTED BY SoLucien on | May 28, 2012, 17:02 GMT

    Good knock Samuels! The best way to answer your critics is to perform when expected and you did that in this match. Unfortunately Shiv didnt get firing in this match hopefully he will in the next. I hope the other batsmen are using this opprtunity to address shortcomings in their game using the new mental toughness sermon i hear been preached by those in management. The West Indies are going to perform well in the last match simply because they have nothing to lose, all those batsmen who have been failing miserably will magically start producing runs. We see this in almost every series, after which we saying they are improving. One more test to go, lets see if Michael Holdings' assertion was right when he declared the that the WICB does not want Gayle in the team. If thats the case why the fiasco and him having to give up his Somerset contract?

  • POSTED BY on | May 28, 2012, 16:49 GMT

    I am a Jamaican.. I would love to see Sarwan , Narine, Gayle, Bravo , Pollard playing. I have nothing against small islanders but the Token Jamaican picked (Samuels did not do too badly. The other regular Islanders Roache ,Chanderpaul and Bravo are not so bad either. I wonder what West Indies would be like if Otis Gibson and Hillare hads managed to get Rid of Chanderpaul and Samuels as they tried to do. We need new selectors and a new board

  • POSTED BY SirDallas on | May 28, 2012, 16:37 GMT

    Everyone can say what they want to. However, the fact of the matter is some tweaks need to be made to this young WI team. I have no issue with the players being young and showing promise but they need guidance ON and off the field. With the former, this is where the seniors players come in. Shiv and Marlon are the only experienced players there, so it is safe to say the there needs to be an injection of experience in the team. Would love to see Gayle in the next test along with Sarwan (Sarwan doesnt seem to wanna play for WI right now and rightly so). So play Gayle with Barath (take some pressure off the young man) and play Marlon then Bravo, Shiv, Deonarine, Sammy, Ramdin (who again i say Lendl should be groomed to keep), Rampaul,Roach and Narine (just over Shilly). So there are 3 in the pace field and 4 who bowl spin. I think this team could fight alot more. Good luck Windies.

  • POSTED BY on | May 28, 2012, 16:36 GMT

    Too little Runs. Windies need to make more runs. In order to make runs, you need batsmen to get runs.In order to get runs, you need to attack the bowling. You might look ugly sometimes but batting is about runs and runs is about aggression . Donald Bradman says that you should get the ball to the boundary no matter what if your feet is out of position, elbow out of place place or whatever. Lawerence Rowe said that at first, Vivian Richards looked ugly with a bat. Sobers was not always in the best position at the crease playing a shot. Chris Gayle is not always to the pitch but in all these cases men get ball to boundary. Batting is about improvisation too. You cant stay in your crease scartching around like a fowl cok and expect to make runs.---Simple !!!

    On Chanderpaul: This is my opinion : Chanderpaul should be dropped from the team if he is not prepared to help the team by batting at three--Simple !!!

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | May 28, 2012, 16:11 GMT

    Pure Ruthless Quality from England, especially from Anderson and Bresnan. The economical and ever-threatening Jimmy showed again that what he can do with the new ball, he can do with the old one, and Bresnan likewise. England have spent much of the last three years making their opposition look rubbish, they're certainly back to old ways.

  • POSTED BY mrhamilton on | May 28, 2012, 16:08 GMT

    bishoo who has been consistent for a year should not have been dropped. Shillingford took a single 10 wicket haul on his home pitch in windies. Likewise Baugh has been consistent and didnt merit being dropped for the similar ramdin. Enough is enough with the top order, barath, edwards and powell should really be fighting for 1-berth. GAYLE must be put back in. and id like to see samuels move in at 3 with sammy shuffled to 6. The spare place could than accomodate j taylor who has a test hundred to his name.

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  • POSTED BY mrhamilton on | May 28, 2012, 16:08 GMT

    bishoo who has been consistent for a year should not have been dropped. Shillingford took a single 10 wicket haul on his home pitch in windies. Likewise Baugh has been consistent and didnt merit being dropped for the similar ramdin. Enough is enough with the top order, barath, edwards and powell should really be fighting for 1-berth. GAYLE must be put back in. and id like to see samuels move in at 3 with sammy shuffled to 6. The spare place could than accomodate j taylor who has a test hundred to his name.

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | May 28, 2012, 16:11 GMT

    Pure Ruthless Quality from England, especially from Anderson and Bresnan. The economical and ever-threatening Jimmy showed again that what he can do with the new ball, he can do with the old one, and Bresnan likewise. England have spent much of the last three years making their opposition look rubbish, they're certainly back to old ways.

  • POSTED BY on | May 28, 2012, 16:36 GMT

    Too little Runs. Windies need to make more runs. In order to make runs, you need batsmen to get runs.In order to get runs, you need to attack the bowling. You might look ugly sometimes but batting is about runs and runs is about aggression . Donald Bradman says that you should get the ball to the boundary no matter what if your feet is out of position, elbow out of place place or whatever. Lawerence Rowe said that at first, Vivian Richards looked ugly with a bat. Sobers was not always in the best position at the crease playing a shot. Chris Gayle is not always to the pitch but in all these cases men get ball to boundary. Batting is about improvisation too. You cant stay in your crease scartching around like a fowl cok and expect to make runs.---Simple !!!

    On Chanderpaul: This is my opinion : Chanderpaul should be dropped from the team if he is not prepared to help the team by batting at three--Simple !!!

  • POSTED BY SirDallas on | May 28, 2012, 16:37 GMT

    Everyone can say what they want to. However, the fact of the matter is some tweaks need to be made to this young WI team. I have no issue with the players being young and showing promise but they need guidance ON and off the field. With the former, this is where the seniors players come in. Shiv and Marlon are the only experienced players there, so it is safe to say the there needs to be an injection of experience in the team. Would love to see Gayle in the next test along with Sarwan (Sarwan doesnt seem to wanna play for WI right now and rightly so). So play Gayle with Barath (take some pressure off the young man) and play Marlon then Bravo, Shiv, Deonarine, Sammy, Ramdin (who again i say Lendl should be groomed to keep), Rampaul,Roach and Narine (just over Shilly). So there are 3 in the pace field and 4 who bowl spin. I think this team could fight alot more. Good luck Windies.

  • POSTED BY on | May 28, 2012, 16:49 GMT

    I am a Jamaican.. I would love to see Sarwan , Narine, Gayle, Bravo , Pollard playing. I have nothing against small islanders but the Token Jamaican picked (Samuels did not do too badly. The other regular Islanders Roache ,Chanderpaul and Bravo are not so bad either. I wonder what West Indies would be like if Otis Gibson and Hillare hads managed to get Rid of Chanderpaul and Samuels as they tried to do. We need new selectors and a new board

  • POSTED BY SoLucien on | May 28, 2012, 17:02 GMT

    Good knock Samuels! The best way to answer your critics is to perform when expected and you did that in this match. Unfortunately Shiv didnt get firing in this match hopefully he will in the next. I hope the other batsmen are using this opprtunity to address shortcomings in their game using the new mental toughness sermon i hear been preached by those in management. The West Indies are going to perform well in the last match simply because they have nothing to lose, all those batsmen who have been failing miserably will magically start producing runs. We see this in almost every series, after which we saying they are improving. One more test to go, lets see if Michael Holdings' assertion was right when he declared the that the WICB does not want Gayle in the team. If thats the case why the fiasco and him having to give up his Somerset contract?

  • POSTED BY SoLucien on | May 28, 2012, 17:26 GMT

    @Otis Fisher. Can you imagine if Jamaican atlethics came under the umbrella of CARICOM and jokers like the WICB? People would be picked based on if they are like or not by the powers that be.

  • POSTED BY Herath-UK on | May 28, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    It was a poor show by WI in spite of having a relatively sunny early summer in comparison to the Lankans last year who had to face dismal weather but finally did much better.I think IPL is doing a serious damage to WI.Sammy looked much dejected but somehow should manage to get his troops to avert a whitewash. Ranil Herath-Kent

  • POSTED BY yocasi on | May 28, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    Funny how you don't hear any Trini calling for the heads of Barath, Bravo & Ramdin. I still can't see why Baugh was dropped. His recent keeping was wonderful and in terms of batting, there's nothing to separate him from Ramdin. My team vs NZ for the tests would have 1. Gayle, 2. Devon Smith, 3. Samuel,s 4.Bravo Jr, 5. Chanders, 6. Sammy, 7. Devon Thomas, 8. Roach, 9. Rampaul, 10. Andrew Richardson, 11. Shillingford. Why Devon Smith? None of the other openers is as good as him; he had a rough time with Hafeez in the ODIs and was too hastily discarded. Why Devon Thomas? The multiple batting failures of Baugh & Ramdin means we ought to keep searching for a keeper who can put 30 on the board and last an hr at the crease.

  • POSTED BY satspeare on | May 28, 2012, 18:50 GMT

    @Asiba, drop Chanderpaul? If he wouldn't bat at #3? Well he has batted at #3 and failed. Shiv has batted at every position from 2nd to 8th. He is at HIS best at #5, where he should stay. What more must this man do for WI. See below for prior to this series Position Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 2nd 1997-1998 2 2 1 74 58* 74.00 43.02 0 1 3rd 1995-2001 18 29 2 925 137* 34.25 41.47 1 6 4th 1998-2010 26 40 6 1197 166 35.20 37.97 2 7 5th 1996-2012 76 117 19 5309 203* 54.17 43.62 14 29 6th 1994-2011 35 46 10 2414 147* 67.05 43.58 7 16 7th 1994-2003 5 5 1 219 109 54.75 47.92 1 1 8th 1994-1994 1 1 0 4 4 4.00 22.22 0 0 Thanks for posting !! For #rd test, select Gayle, Fudadin & Deonarine and drop Powell, Bravo and Edware