Champions Trophy 2013 June 6, 2013

Australia's collapse good for us - Giles

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You could understand why Ashley Giles was smiling. After a testing week, he had just seen his England ODI side score 11 more in the last four overs against New Zealand than Australia managed in their entire innings against India. With England and Australia due to open their Champions Trophy campaigns against one another at Edgbaston on Saturday, such statistics were bound to raise spirits.

But there is no escaping the fact that the ODI series against New Zealand was an unsettling experience for England's limited-overs coach. Not only did England lose their proud unbeaten record at home - this was their first ODI series defeat in England and Wales since Australia beat them in 2009 - but their tried and tested method was found wanting and fitness worries further clouded their preparations.

The theory was so seductive. In English conditions and with two new balls, it was presumed that England's method of building a solid foundation when they batted and accelerating in the dying overs would prove beneficial. It was also presumed that their bowlers would find enough movement in the air or off the pitch to trouble opposition batsmen.

The evidence to date suggests that those plans might not cover all eventualities. The progress of recent games suggests that the white ball offers the bowler little and that the pitches in the Champions Trophy are going to make them want to curl up in the foetal position and cry.

But Giles remains confident. For a start, he pointed out that England were never able to field their strongest XI against New Zealand, but he also pointed out that, partially through necessity, England were forced to explore their options and found that, in the likes of Ravi Bopara and James Tredwell, they had players who enable them to utilise a different method. Both men were originally expected to play only in case of emergency.

Perhaps more pertinently, though, he knows that Australia are in poor form and may well be without their captain and best player, Michael Clarke who is nursing a back injury.

"It's disappointing to have lost a series," Giles admitted. "We've let ourselves down in certain departments. There were different areas in the first two games where we disappointed and we've certainly not played our A game yet. But maybe we're saving that?

"It's always a good thing for us when Australia get bowled out for 65. I didn't chuckle when I saw the score, because I've got more respect for them than that. But you're pleased they don't get the practice they want and the boost in confidence they'd be looking for. So from a personal point of view you don't want them playing well.

"We want to go to Edgbaston and hope it's a dull game. We could do with one of them. But they're tough opposition, they'll be well prepared and we've got to make sure we are as well. If Clarke is missing it's annoying for him and Australia but it would be good for us."

While the tactic of playing five specialist bowlers did not work in the first two games against New Zealand, it is worth remembering that England were never able to select their first choice five. If James Anderson, Steven Finn, Stuart Broad, Tim Bresnan and Graeme Swann are all fit, they may well be in the side against Australia on Saturday. The only likely variation is the selection of Bopara ahead of Bresnan.

While the tactic of playing five specialist bowlers did not work in the first two games against New Zealand, it is worth remembering that England were never able to select their first choice five

But this version of the Champions Trophy is only to be played at three venues. And with the demands of television meaning that only pitches in the centre of squares can be utilised, it will not be long before the surfaces wear and the spinners become more important. England could, according to Giles, select two specialist spinners and utilise Joe Root's increasingly useful offspin, too.

"We've got options," Giles said. "I'm not going to say which way we're going, but when we put the squad together we did think of those options. I wouldn't rule out at some point that both spinners could play together on the right wickets. They're two of our best bowlers in one-day cricket."

Part of the issue, as far as Giles sees it, has simply been a lack of confidence from some of his squad. Chris Woakes, in particular, endured a chastening couple of games and, while he remains in the squad, looks unlikely to play much of a part in the competition.

"The key bit was getting confidence into them," he said. "They've looked a little edgy - you know the guys I'm talking about - but you do that when you're not playing the way you'd like to be playing. Saturday's game is huge and going into it with the confidence of winning was important. We have to attack that game and be confident going into that.

"Chris hasn't played as well as he can and he'd be the first to admit that. So we changed the balance of the side and Chris was one of the guys we left out. It's really disappointing for him but he's a big lad and he understands the reasoning. He's as good as gold and gets on with his job. It doesn't mean the door is closed: we've 15 in that squad and as we've seen in the space of a week that a lot can happen with injuries, niggles and form."

Giles was encouraged by the form and fitness of Finn and Broad, but admitted they would both require careful handling through the Champions Trophy and the Ashes. Both men recovered well from Wednesday and, as a result, Boyd Rankin has been released back to Warwickshire.

"The big bonus was having Broad and Finn back on the field and looking pretty good and healthy," Giles said. "We're going to need to manage all the quick bowlers over the summer. It's a big summer and a big winter. But they've come through the game well and they seem pretty healthy. But it's an ongoing process managing big lumps who bowl quickly. You've got to look after them.

"As things stand I'm pretty confident these guys are good. Finn's condition is one we've talked about and we've got to manage going forward and just look after him."

The performance of Jos Buttler and Eoin Morgan may well have masked another disappointing England performance with the bat on Wednesday, but Giles insisted that the batting of Ian Bell and co. had provided the middle-order with the platform to express themselves.

"It was a much better performance," Giles said. "I guess all the talk will be about Jos's innings at the end, but in the build-up to that Bell's runs and Morgan's runs were really also very important. The way we batted was much cleaner and crisper and it was quite exciting at the end.

"What Jos needed was to do it once in 50-over cricket. It doesn't mean he's going to do it all the time but, in T20 cricket, once he crossed that hurdle once he looked a different player. I'm hoping that will happen again. I think playing an extra batter in Bopara might have given him a bit more confidence. It took a little bit of pressure off him and gave him more freedom.

"It doesn't necessarily mean that's the way we're going to go. But Jos has shown in T20 cricket he is built for coming in for five overs. He exceeded all our expectations on Wednesday so I'm really chuffed for him.

"There will be times when Morgan and Buttler get it wrong and we have to accept that. But they will also win us games. Call them X-factor players, call them hugely skilful, but they will win games. Going into this Champions Trophy, it is so important that they are playing with some of that passion and freedom. There are still bits we didn't get right but we're getting better now so it's positive news."

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • mk49_van on June 8, 2013, 11:25 GMT

    Whoever wins seeing England bat is going to once again be like watching paint dry. What a boring team!

  • MichealT on June 8, 2013, 11:04 GMT

    I don't understand why England changed its jersey. They look like Netherlands now.

  • ScottStevo on June 8, 2013, 9:22 GMT

    @Mitty2, no, I wasn't talking about Bird, who I have very high hopes for. @Hammond, yes, it's used to be the normal English outburst after losing a series 3/4-0 and winning the last! Hasn't been needed for a while, but good to know it's not forgotten! @Venkat, we also beat WI, who just best Pak, who were yesterday placed as favourites for the tournament - what does that tell you? IMHO it says none of these sides have any consistency at the moment and on any given day they can all quite handsomely beat the other. It makes for some interesting times as there's no side in ODIs that are without flaws and each of the sides have potential match winners.

  • Shan156 on June 7, 2013, 23:53 GMT

    @Yogi108, really? Perhaps you could explain why your great team lost 0-3 to our mediocre team in your last visit to these shores. Perhaps you could also explain why your great team didn't manage to eke out a single win across all 3 formats of the game while our mediocre side beat you in your backyard in tests, drew the T20 series, and managed to win 2 games out of 5 in the ODI series.

  • Venkat_Gowrishankar on June 7, 2013, 17:47 GMT

    @BigBoodha: Hope Asutralia does not give another one sided affair like they have done in the recent months, where AUS scoring 200+ is rare, test matches lost under 3 days, getting all out for 65 . My My, added to this , there is a resolution in the parliament to get a spinner change his nationality in time for the Ashes.

  • Venkat_Gowrishankar on June 7, 2013, 17:34 GMT

    @TheBigBoodha : A special for you mate. I hope they cross 130 .

  • Mitty2 on June 7, 2013, 16:29 GMT

    @scottstevo, hopefully you're not implying Jackson bird, in whom I can confidently say that after Ryan Harris (when/if fit) is our best seamer in the whole country. Starc has an average ABOVE 30 in tests AND FC, whereas bird has an average UNDER 20 in BOTH tests and FC, and that at a much better strike rate and economy rate. Starc is a project player, whereas bird can just walk in with ease and prosper. Starc in a few years will come good in tests, but right now he's very far behind pattinson, Harris, bird and siddle.

  • TheBigBoodha on June 7, 2013, 16:00 GMT

    @BKyogi, you cannot understand why Australia is persisting with Hughes? Maybe the fact that he averages 50 in all three short format categories might have something to do with it. But if you want to drop a player averaging 50+, then you must know something we don't. Meanwhile get informed of player performances rather than what you THINK is happening.

  • Charlie101 on June 7, 2013, 13:26 GMT

    I have to say I enjoyed the article as it was refreshing to hear a sportman's honest opinion rather than a media trained answer which all sports give now a days. I know I really enjoyed seeing the Aussies being thrashed in India , homework gate and the last ODI defeat ahead of our match . It is the one side that we really want to beat and guess what - the feeling is absolutely mutual and that is what makes the rivalry so great and so much fun.

  • VillageBlacksmith on June 7, 2013, 12:39 GMT

    starco is v good news for Eng so I hope they pick him... Swanny mops up left handers, and starco will create great rough for swanny to mop up the right handers... like the NZ lefties did... nice

  • mk49_van on June 8, 2013, 11:25 GMT

    Whoever wins seeing England bat is going to once again be like watching paint dry. What a boring team!

  • MichealT on June 8, 2013, 11:04 GMT

    I don't understand why England changed its jersey. They look like Netherlands now.

  • ScottStevo on June 8, 2013, 9:22 GMT

    @Mitty2, no, I wasn't talking about Bird, who I have very high hopes for. @Hammond, yes, it's used to be the normal English outburst after losing a series 3/4-0 and winning the last! Hasn't been needed for a while, but good to know it's not forgotten! @Venkat, we also beat WI, who just best Pak, who were yesterday placed as favourites for the tournament - what does that tell you? IMHO it says none of these sides have any consistency at the moment and on any given day they can all quite handsomely beat the other. It makes for some interesting times as there's no side in ODIs that are without flaws and each of the sides have potential match winners.

  • Shan156 on June 7, 2013, 23:53 GMT

    @Yogi108, really? Perhaps you could explain why your great team lost 0-3 to our mediocre team in your last visit to these shores. Perhaps you could also explain why your great team didn't manage to eke out a single win across all 3 formats of the game while our mediocre side beat you in your backyard in tests, drew the T20 series, and managed to win 2 games out of 5 in the ODI series.

  • Venkat_Gowrishankar on June 7, 2013, 17:47 GMT

    @BigBoodha: Hope Asutralia does not give another one sided affair like they have done in the recent months, where AUS scoring 200+ is rare, test matches lost under 3 days, getting all out for 65 . My My, added to this , there is a resolution in the parliament to get a spinner change his nationality in time for the Ashes.

  • Venkat_Gowrishankar on June 7, 2013, 17:34 GMT

    @TheBigBoodha : A special for you mate. I hope they cross 130 .

  • Mitty2 on June 7, 2013, 16:29 GMT

    @scottstevo, hopefully you're not implying Jackson bird, in whom I can confidently say that after Ryan Harris (when/if fit) is our best seamer in the whole country. Starc has an average ABOVE 30 in tests AND FC, whereas bird has an average UNDER 20 in BOTH tests and FC, and that at a much better strike rate and economy rate. Starc is a project player, whereas bird can just walk in with ease and prosper. Starc in a few years will come good in tests, but right now he's very far behind pattinson, Harris, bird and siddle.

  • TheBigBoodha on June 7, 2013, 16:00 GMT

    @BKyogi, you cannot understand why Australia is persisting with Hughes? Maybe the fact that he averages 50 in all three short format categories might have something to do with it. But if you want to drop a player averaging 50+, then you must know something we don't. Meanwhile get informed of player performances rather than what you THINK is happening.

  • Charlie101 on June 7, 2013, 13:26 GMT

    I have to say I enjoyed the article as it was refreshing to hear a sportman's honest opinion rather than a media trained answer which all sports give now a days. I know I really enjoyed seeing the Aussies being thrashed in India , homework gate and the last ODI defeat ahead of our match . It is the one side that we really want to beat and guess what - the feeling is absolutely mutual and that is what makes the rivalry so great and so much fun.

  • VillageBlacksmith on June 7, 2013, 12:39 GMT

    starco is v good news for Eng so I hope they pick him... Swanny mops up left handers, and starco will create great rough for swanny to mop up the right handers... like the NZ lefties did... nice

  • Harlequin. on June 7, 2013, 12:30 GMT

    @Hammond - true England won their last match, to what I would largely attribute to a not-very-likely-to-occur-too-often Jos Butler blitz. But what they did find out in the series was that their supposedly unbreachable plan of grinding out 35 overs and smashing the last 15 was found wanting, and they don't seem to have a back up plan, so if I was in the England camp now I wouldn't be overly confident about our chances in this tournament. As for the wooden spoon battle, I think SL and NZ are better ODI teams at the moment than England and Aus so I think whoever loses this match will be last in the group. The ICC team rankings are fairly pointless IMO, in fact I am a great hater of stats in general.

  • Hammond on June 7, 2013, 12:04 GMT

    @ScottStevo- mate as my old Seven Hills coach used to drum into us- "You are only as good as your last match". As far as England v Australia goes, last time these two teams played England whitewashed Australia. And it was in England too.

  • ScottStevo on June 7, 2013, 11:12 GMT

    @Mitty2, I'm quite happy to take a guy into our test team that bowls wicket taking deliveries - even if it is a little expensive. Rather that than have a guy who bowls tight but doesn't ever threaten. Economy in tests is pointless really - unless of course you aren't taking wickets ;-) @ Hammond, difference being of course that Australia also hammered WI the game before last - how did England do??

  • RandyOZ on June 7, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    The Wheelie Bin never exactly has been a class act has he?

  • Hammond on June 7, 2013, 11:05 GMT

    How exactly is 2nd vs 3rd in the world wooden spoon material anyway?

  • VillageBlacksmith on June 7, 2013, 10:23 GMT

    It was a dead rubber gilo... so not really a gauge at all...gushing on about bell is ludicrous, as bell historically always performs better in a dead rubber than a live pressure situation... Er... like the first 2 matches when he wilted???? And just look at his absurd 158 ave vs B'desh compared to his other pressure match aves!

  • Hammond on June 7, 2013, 10:10 GMT

    @Dark_Harlequin- difference being of course that England convincingly won their last game, Australia got bowled out for 65 in their last.

  • BKyogi on June 7, 2013, 9:57 GMT

    I just cannot understand why Australia is still persisting with Hughes? He has been given a number of chances which no other player would have got to prove himself. He was an utter failure in India and the first two practice matches in London did not do him any good. I suggest that Kawahja should be given at least half the chances that was given to Hughes. It looks like the coach has a soft corner for Hughes.

  • Mitty2 on June 7, 2013, 9:28 GMT

    @Jayzuz, never did I question Starc's ability as a limited over specialist, his record in the ODI's/T20's is phenomenal, but it is undoubted that he is inaccurate and expensive. His very expensive economy of 3.54 in tests is testament to that. Oh, and what does accuracy/economy got do to with balls per wicket (average)? Absolutely nothing. Starc could get three fours in three bowls against him and then take a wicket in the next bowl and his average would be 12.00, and if he had twelve runs off him in 1000000 bowls and then he got a wicket... His average would still be the same. Starc can bowl the most unplayable bowls in the world - see him against W.I, and in the first innings against SA at Perth - but that doesn't prevent the fact that he is generally expensive - see his 6/154 off 28 overs. But don't get the gist that i don't want him in the ODI teams - his strike rate is possibly the best in the world; 22 is simply unheard of.

  • disco_bob on June 7, 2013, 9:20 GMT

    @ Happy_hamster on (June 7, 2013, 1:14 GMT) It would seem That not only is Clarke the best spin bowler but has a bad back but Watto would be their best allrounder were it not for his bad back and dare I say it but cummins is their best quick ufortunately he's also got a gammy back. Back to the drawing board for the selectors.

  • disco_bob on June 7, 2013, 9:13 GMT

    "So from a personal point of view you don't want them playing well." That is a rather strange thing to say. I would have thought that it is more satisfying to beat a team who is playing well. Giles does not exactly exude confidence.

  • Harlequin. on June 7, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    I can see where Giles is coming from with this - it's nice to see your opposition low on confidence, because England are probably so shell-shocked at the moment that if Australia went into the game on a high then it might end up being a bit one-sided, despite England being a slightly stronger team on paper. As it is though, it's probably fairly even; Australia's lack of quality batsmen cancelled out by England's rigidity and insane selections. The battle for the wooden spoon is on!

  • Jayzuz on June 7, 2013, 8:22 GMT

    Hmm, it's hard to explain Australia's batting against India in that practice game. The wicket was tame, if anything. And India's quicks - Kumar, Yadav and Ishant are the least threatening in this ODI series - averaging 32, 35 and 46 runs a wicket in ODIs. These are the kind of quicks that Australian batsmen normally eat for lunch, especially on tame surfaces like the ones offered in this tournament.

    I can't see that happening again. If it does, I'll be very surprised.

    Mitty, if Starc is so inaccurate, how can he be averaging 18 runs a wicket in ODI's and 15 runs a wicket in T20s? I suggest you check out his record compared to Steyn's - often considered the best of them. Starc averages 11 runs a wicket LESS in ODIs (!), and less in T20s too, all at around the same run rate conceded.

    Starc also averages 7 runs a wicket less than Johnson in all short formats. Starc is NOT Johnson. It's amazing how inaccurate some people's perceptions are.

  • on June 7, 2013, 6:07 GMT

    @xylo- good luck with that one mate, the only time England played a full strength odi team against NZ they won. Wait until they put their first team on the park to play the best that we have to offer on Saturday night. I just hope that we can compete, I'm scared that I'll be sitting up again for no reason like I did when we played India and got rolled for 65

  • landl47 on June 7, 2013, 5:53 GMT

    What Ashley Giles should have said was: "I have no idea what we were thinking when we selected Dernbach, who isn't even in the CT squad, ahead of Bopara and Tredwell who are. It was sheer stupidity and it not only deprived CT squad players of match practice but handed the ODI series to NZ on a plate. Hopefully our squad's confidence hasn't been too badly damaged by our mind-boggling lack of common sense".

  • YogifromNY on June 7, 2013, 4:50 GMT

    English media will never get it into their heads that the England team is at best an average cricketing side. Sorry, but there are at least five sides better than yours in ODIs - Ind, Pak, NZ, WI, and SA. If you are not an English fan, you see this. If you are, well, I feel sorry for you, mate!

  • on June 7, 2013, 4:21 GMT

    Ashley Giles negative thinking and comments are no surprise as he had already had showed them in his bowling while he used to play.

  • Meety on June 7, 2013, 3:44 GMT

    Wonder how Woakes's "form" would of been judged had catches been taken!

  • xylo on June 7, 2013, 1:28 GMT

    It is funny that Giles is gloating over Australia's collapse. If there is one team in the tournament that this considerably weakened Australia team can beat, it is England, but the coach thinks that his team will most likely win the trophy. That, even after a reality check that the gritty kiwis provided!

  • Happy_hamster on June 7, 2013, 1:14 GMT

    I wouldn't say Clarke is their best player in this format- Watto is probably the top ODI batsman. Ironically Clarke is Aussie's best spin bowler but obviously his back limits the amount he can bowl.

  • Mitty2 on June 7, 2013, 1:03 GMT

    Focusing - even mentioning - another side's inefficiencies, let alone saying: "it would be good for us" is something that any coach shouldn't be doing if he wants his team to win and play well. Especially after a humiliating defeat to an eighth ranked team. Can you just imagine the English response if Mickey Arthur came out and said: "It's always a good thing to see England lose to the eight ranked team. I certainly didn't chuckle when I saw England lose to the eight ranked team because I've got more respect for them than that. But you're pleased they don't get the practice they want and the boost in confidence they'd be looking for." Exact same concept Ashley, try and focus on your own problems - namely a stuttering top 3 and a lack of back up quicks.

    On the forthcoming game however, I think England's top 3 would love the extra pace of Starc and MJ, not to mention their inaccuracy. Aus need all the confidence we can get for the summer, and a win here is virtually crucial.

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  • Mitty2 on June 7, 2013, 1:03 GMT

    Focusing - even mentioning - another side's inefficiencies, let alone saying: "it would be good for us" is something that any coach shouldn't be doing if he wants his team to win and play well. Especially after a humiliating defeat to an eighth ranked team. Can you just imagine the English response if Mickey Arthur came out and said: "It's always a good thing to see England lose to the eight ranked team. I certainly didn't chuckle when I saw England lose to the eight ranked team because I've got more respect for them than that. But you're pleased they don't get the practice they want and the boost in confidence they'd be looking for." Exact same concept Ashley, try and focus on your own problems - namely a stuttering top 3 and a lack of back up quicks.

    On the forthcoming game however, I think England's top 3 would love the extra pace of Starc and MJ, not to mention their inaccuracy. Aus need all the confidence we can get for the summer, and a win here is virtually crucial.

  • Happy_hamster on June 7, 2013, 1:14 GMT

    I wouldn't say Clarke is their best player in this format- Watto is probably the top ODI batsman. Ironically Clarke is Aussie's best spin bowler but obviously his back limits the amount he can bowl.

  • xylo on June 7, 2013, 1:28 GMT

    It is funny that Giles is gloating over Australia's collapse. If there is one team in the tournament that this considerably weakened Australia team can beat, it is England, but the coach thinks that his team will most likely win the trophy. That, even after a reality check that the gritty kiwis provided!

  • Meety on June 7, 2013, 3:44 GMT

    Wonder how Woakes's "form" would of been judged had catches been taken!

  • on June 7, 2013, 4:21 GMT

    Ashley Giles negative thinking and comments are no surprise as he had already had showed them in his bowling while he used to play.

  • YogifromNY on June 7, 2013, 4:50 GMT

    English media will never get it into their heads that the England team is at best an average cricketing side. Sorry, but there are at least five sides better than yours in ODIs - Ind, Pak, NZ, WI, and SA. If you are not an English fan, you see this. If you are, well, I feel sorry for you, mate!

  • landl47 on June 7, 2013, 5:53 GMT

    What Ashley Giles should have said was: "I have no idea what we were thinking when we selected Dernbach, who isn't even in the CT squad, ahead of Bopara and Tredwell who are. It was sheer stupidity and it not only deprived CT squad players of match practice but handed the ODI series to NZ on a plate. Hopefully our squad's confidence hasn't been too badly damaged by our mind-boggling lack of common sense".

  • on June 7, 2013, 6:07 GMT

    @xylo- good luck with that one mate, the only time England played a full strength odi team against NZ they won. Wait until they put their first team on the park to play the best that we have to offer on Saturday night. I just hope that we can compete, I'm scared that I'll be sitting up again for no reason like I did when we played India and got rolled for 65

  • Jayzuz on June 7, 2013, 8:22 GMT

    Hmm, it's hard to explain Australia's batting against India in that practice game. The wicket was tame, if anything. And India's quicks - Kumar, Yadav and Ishant are the least threatening in this ODI series - averaging 32, 35 and 46 runs a wicket in ODIs. These are the kind of quicks that Australian batsmen normally eat for lunch, especially on tame surfaces like the ones offered in this tournament.

    I can't see that happening again. If it does, I'll be very surprised.

    Mitty, if Starc is so inaccurate, how can he be averaging 18 runs a wicket in ODI's and 15 runs a wicket in T20s? I suggest you check out his record compared to Steyn's - often considered the best of them. Starc averages 11 runs a wicket LESS in ODIs (!), and less in T20s too, all at around the same run rate conceded.

    Starc also averages 7 runs a wicket less than Johnson in all short formats. Starc is NOT Johnson. It's amazing how inaccurate some people's perceptions are.

  • Harlequin. on June 7, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    I can see where Giles is coming from with this - it's nice to see your opposition low on confidence, because England are probably so shell-shocked at the moment that if Australia went into the game on a high then it might end up being a bit one-sided, despite England being a slightly stronger team on paper. As it is though, it's probably fairly even; Australia's lack of quality batsmen cancelled out by England's rigidity and insane selections. The battle for the wooden spoon is on!