India v England, 5th ODI, Kolkata October 26, 2011

Need to improve bowling - Dhoni

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MS Dhoni, the India captain, has said India still need to improve in the bowling department after their 5-0 series victory over England at home. He expressed concern at the fact that India's seamers did not complete their allocated ten overs in many of the matches because they had given away too many runs. Both Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron impressed with their pace during the series but Dhoni said control was as important as bowling quick.

"Of course it's a great series win," he said after the fifth ODI in Kolkata. "But our fast bowlers could not bowl 10 overs in many of the matches and we have to realise that's where we have to get better. It's good to have guys bowling quick but they also need to be able to keep the runs down and not give away a boundary an over.

"Even though we've won at home, we need to realise that when we go abroad there may not be as much turn for our spinners and so we will not be able to win if our fast bowlers don't bowl well. In other countries our part-timers may not be as effective as they are here."

The series win comes just a month after India were thumped in both the Tests and one-dayers in England. Dhoni said the criticism his side received after that tour did not worry him as he knew Indians were passionate about cricket and bound to react to a loss.

"It happens: you are appreciated when you do well and that should be taken with an open heart. I was not too worried about criticism. We know cricket is big in India. It's a part of our life."

India went into the ODI series against England with several senior players missing through injury, and Dhoni said while the influx of young players helped sharpen the fielding, the seniors were still needed. "It's difficult to replace the seniors talent-wise. But these youngsters have clicked as a unit. They are slightly better fielders. They may save 8-10 runs which matter in ODIs. They have reacted in the right way and been patient in waiting for opportunities to turn things their way. But we really can't really replace Sachin [Tendulkar], [Virender] Sehwag and Yuvraj [Singh]."

Dhoni was named Man of the Series after scoring 212 runs without being dismissed in the five games. He said that he would not be moving up the order, though, since he had adjusted his game to batting in the middle order. "The format of the game has changed. Now, with the Powerplays split, the situations are different. We have to be good at the slog overs and rotate strike as well. I have changed my style of batting. At No. 3 you can be flamboyant but at 5 and 6 you have to be careful."

India will play a Twenty20 international against England in Kolkata on October 29 and the organisers will be hoping for a larger crowd after disappointing turnouts over the one-dayers. An overdose of cricket and the absence of some star players were the reasons Dhoni pointed out for the empty rows in the stands at Eden Gardens. "We have played a lot of cricket in India: the World Cup, IPL and then the Champions League T20 were held here. Big stars like Sachin were missing from this series. This is also one of the biggest stadia in India so it's not easy to get a jam-packed crowd every time."

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  • POSTED BY starincricket on | October 28, 2011, 14:28 GMT

    yeah.. this is what i really admire about dhoni. Always thinks what is the best on each and every department and how to bring out.

    Exactly these comments to be taken care on fast bowling and part timers. When we had series in england ,we were not able to take 10 wickets in tests. and not able to bowling strong in death overs in ODIs.

    he knows very well that always there is a scope for improvement in any areas of cricket. Its what sachin also used to say, he is still learning. yes learning with passion.

    India should be capable of perform well in any abroad conditions in all departments. after a long years ,we are really considering abt our fast bowling.Is not it? bec , of wash out in eng which suits fast. yes we shd have good fast attack even in those conditions. All players shd be monitored on all conditions on all departments.

  • POSTED BY Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on | October 28, 2011, 2:44 GMT

    While one should respect the thought process of Captain Dhoni, I would be glad if he can think how his fast bowlers can complete their quota when the spinners are playing havoc with the English batsmen and the matches are getting finished before 40 overs? He is a little harsh but, hey, everybody is learning about Cricket everyday. Dhoni will learn to be much fairer in his assessment and the newbies will also learn to be more consistent. Let's hope the newbies don't sacrifice 10MPH in the process.

  • POSTED BY on_the_level on | October 27, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    I fail to understand Dhoni's comments regarding Indian fast bowlers. The English batsmen do not play spin well, and so target the pacers for their runs. Dhoni should therefore encourage the fast bowlers to continue to bowl fast, as it is only through repeated action that they will learn subtle variations to make it more difficult to score off them. The fast bowlers need their captain to back them, not pull them down in post-match interviews!

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | October 27, 2011, 20:33 GMT

    While I disagree with Dhoni on his comments about Aaron & Yadav, I do agree that bowling needs to improve. India has excellent young bowlers in Ashwin, Rahul Sharma & Ojha (Spin) whilst Aaron, Yadav, Tyagi, Ahmad & Shukla are all bowling> 140 KPH. Why select Aravind & Mithun ahead of Tyagi, Shulka & Ahmad. No wonder India has all sub 130 KPH fast bowlers.Selecting OJha,Rahul & Aaron would have won at least 3 ODI's in England. The story does not end there. Even if these talented bowlers make it to the squad, they are dropped from the XI - benched as Drinks Boy.Why did Dhoni not include Aaron in any of the 5 ODI's in England when he was especially flown there? Why was Rahul Sharma not included in at least one of 5 ODI's vs. England in India - even after dead Rubber?Ojha was ignored for England as well as Indian ODI's.How can Indian bowling improve MSD, when you exclude the best available talent in India?.These bowlers need experience by playing in XI. Pease encourage youngsters!.

  • POSTED BY on | October 27, 2011, 18:32 GMT

    i will continue like one fellow cricket follower said undian attack ..munaf,bhajji,sreesanth(thought he was best in 2nd test) mishra now bowling well and then zaheer injured .. i will never play him against west indies let the guy get fit.. he needs to be there in australia to guide others ishant was gr8 until he some how lsot rythem in england i mean wht he got injured? i dont get it things were gr8 in 2nd innings in lords...sigh well i will play him in australia jsut for hte sake of it.. just last chance for guy to prove so my bowlers in squad would be (not team) zaheer,ishtan,praveen,ashwin (for sure!) then any of young guys...aaron,umesh i will pick aarondon know he just looked better bowler who knows wht he is doing umesh was morel ike shaun tait category go out htere and do ur thingif u go for runs no problem jsut get wickets in tests that does not work u need to be consistent u should know art of picking wickets...

  • POSTED BY on | October 27, 2011, 18:24 GMT

    actually aaron i saw his previous matches he wasnt like htis before his line wasnt htis gr8 he wwas quick but he didn't looked like picking wickets at international level .. but after australian emerging playyers tournament and tour ot england trust me he owuld ve talked to people and bowled in nets staying iwth international team bowlng ot best batsmen in the world in nets helps they say good batsman come up when they play gr8 bowlers at domestic level i think opposite can also happens earlier he looked more like umesh yadav , talanted , quick, but raw not complete now he knows his game the way he got cook brings smile :)) more over htis guy looks like genuine pacer he is built like a fast bowler ishant was rythem guy thiny would hit good speeds when in rythem other wise 135 this guy will alwyas bowl quick u can tell he already hed stresss facture wasim said every one of their pak bowlers hed them when they were young it makes back stronger afterwords ;)

  • POSTED BY PACERONE on | October 27, 2011, 15:16 GMT

    It is good that the Indian cricket board did not replace Dhoni as captain.He is cool all the time.He acts the same losing or winning.Sign of a great captain.Stands behind his players.His remark about the younger players saving runs is so true.It was good to see them play as well as they did..knowing that some could of played even better.India can now pick their best teams for each discipline and not worry.England are back to the drawing board.

  • POSTED BY spinkingKK on | October 27, 2011, 12:15 GMT

    I totally agree with Nampally regarding Dhoni's unfair criticism of Aaron. I congratulate Dhoni for such a convincing win and such a great batting display he showed in this series. However, I beleive Dhoni is biased and he shows that in his selection of the team and handling of his bowlers (His handling of Sreesanth in England was well criticised by me before). The good thing about being biased is, he is giving a lot of confidence to his favorites and as a result, they perform well (until when they are placed in a situation where their confidence alone was not enough) and as a result, team perform well. Major part of the cricket is psychological and therefore, confidence matters a lot. However, the downside of favoritism is, everybody else will start the favoritism whenever they get a chance as well. Also, we will miss out on seeing the actual potential of India and actual spirit of India.

  • POSTED BY sukuviju on | October 27, 2011, 9:08 GMT

    When i see Vinay Kumar start his run-up, I am reminded of Madan Lal - both these guys run faster than they bowl. These guys don't believe in change of pace, they deceive the batsmen with lack of pace. Batsmen struggle to read their bowling - how often you come across spinners with a fast bowlers run-up, how often you see an off spin disguised as an in-swinger. Smart guys, they believe in being different.

  • POSTED BY indianzen on | October 27, 2011, 7:26 GMT

    I think I can understand Dhoni a little now, he is not ready to experiment things abroad, but he is ok to give things a try while at home comfortable. He is slowly bringing the talents out of the bowlers. just the pace bowling department needs to improve... Ashwin and Jadeja will be the best spinning allrounder pair available in the world...

  • POSTED BY starincricket on | October 28, 2011, 14:28 GMT

    yeah.. this is what i really admire about dhoni. Always thinks what is the best on each and every department and how to bring out.

    Exactly these comments to be taken care on fast bowling and part timers. When we had series in england ,we were not able to take 10 wickets in tests. and not able to bowling strong in death overs in ODIs.

    he knows very well that always there is a scope for improvement in any areas of cricket. Its what sachin also used to say, he is still learning. yes learning with passion.

    India should be capable of perform well in any abroad conditions in all departments. after a long years ,we are really considering abt our fast bowling.Is not it? bec , of wash out in eng which suits fast. yes we shd have good fast attack even in those conditions. All players shd be monitored on all conditions on all departments.

  • POSTED BY Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on | October 28, 2011, 2:44 GMT

    While one should respect the thought process of Captain Dhoni, I would be glad if he can think how his fast bowlers can complete their quota when the spinners are playing havoc with the English batsmen and the matches are getting finished before 40 overs? He is a little harsh but, hey, everybody is learning about Cricket everyday. Dhoni will learn to be much fairer in his assessment and the newbies will also learn to be more consistent. Let's hope the newbies don't sacrifice 10MPH in the process.

  • POSTED BY on_the_level on | October 27, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    I fail to understand Dhoni's comments regarding Indian fast bowlers. The English batsmen do not play spin well, and so target the pacers for their runs. Dhoni should therefore encourage the fast bowlers to continue to bowl fast, as it is only through repeated action that they will learn subtle variations to make it more difficult to score off them. The fast bowlers need their captain to back them, not pull them down in post-match interviews!

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | October 27, 2011, 20:33 GMT

    While I disagree with Dhoni on his comments about Aaron & Yadav, I do agree that bowling needs to improve. India has excellent young bowlers in Ashwin, Rahul Sharma & Ojha (Spin) whilst Aaron, Yadav, Tyagi, Ahmad & Shukla are all bowling> 140 KPH. Why select Aravind & Mithun ahead of Tyagi, Shulka & Ahmad. No wonder India has all sub 130 KPH fast bowlers.Selecting OJha,Rahul & Aaron would have won at least 3 ODI's in England. The story does not end there. Even if these talented bowlers make it to the squad, they are dropped from the XI - benched as Drinks Boy.Why did Dhoni not include Aaron in any of the 5 ODI's in England when he was especially flown there? Why was Rahul Sharma not included in at least one of 5 ODI's vs. England in India - even after dead Rubber?Ojha was ignored for England as well as Indian ODI's.How can Indian bowling improve MSD, when you exclude the best available talent in India?.These bowlers need experience by playing in XI. Pease encourage youngsters!.

  • POSTED BY on | October 27, 2011, 18:32 GMT

    i will continue like one fellow cricket follower said undian attack ..munaf,bhajji,sreesanth(thought he was best in 2nd test) mishra now bowling well and then zaheer injured .. i will never play him against west indies let the guy get fit.. he needs to be there in australia to guide others ishant was gr8 until he some how lsot rythem in england i mean wht he got injured? i dont get it things were gr8 in 2nd innings in lords...sigh well i will play him in australia jsut for hte sake of it.. just last chance for guy to prove so my bowlers in squad would be (not team) zaheer,ishtan,praveen,ashwin (for sure!) then any of young guys...aaron,umesh i will pick aarondon know he just looked better bowler who knows wht he is doing umesh was morel ike shaun tait category go out htere and do ur thingif u go for runs no problem jsut get wickets in tests that does not work u need to be consistent u should know art of picking wickets...

  • POSTED BY on | October 27, 2011, 18:24 GMT

    actually aaron i saw his previous matches he wasnt like htis before his line wasnt htis gr8 he wwas quick but he didn't looked like picking wickets at international level .. but after australian emerging playyers tournament and tour ot england trust me he owuld ve talked to people and bowled in nets staying iwth international team bowlng ot best batsmen in the world in nets helps they say good batsman come up when they play gr8 bowlers at domestic level i think opposite can also happens earlier he looked more like umesh yadav , talanted , quick, but raw not complete now he knows his game the way he got cook brings smile :)) more over htis guy looks like genuine pacer he is built like a fast bowler ishant was rythem guy thiny would hit good speeds when in rythem other wise 135 this guy will alwyas bowl quick u can tell he already hed stresss facture wasim said every one of their pak bowlers hed them when they were young it makes back stronger afterwords ;)

  • POSTED BY PACERONE on | October 27, 2011, 15:16 GMT

    It is good that the Indian cricket board did not replace Dhoni as captain.He is cool all the time.He acts the same losing or winning.Sign of a great captain.Stands behind his players.His remark about the younger players saving runs is so true.It was good to see them play as well as they did..knowing that some could of played even better.India can now pick their best teams for each discipline and not worry.England are back to the drawing board.

  • POSTED BY spinkingKK on | October 27, 2011, 12:15 GMT

    I totally agree with Nampally regarding Dhoni's unfair criticism of Aaron. I congratulate Dhoni for such a convincing win and such a great batting display he showed in this series. However, I beleive Dhoni is biased and he shows that in his selection of the team and handling of his bowlers (His handling of Sreesanth in England was well criticised by me before). The good thing about being biased is, he is giving a lot of confidence to his favorites and as a result, they perform well (until when they are placed in a situation where their confidence alone was not enough) and as a result, team perform well. Major part of the cricket is psychological and therefore, confidence matters a lot. However, the downside of favoritism is, everybody else will start the favoritism whenever they get a chance as well. Also, we will miss out on seeing the actual potential of India and actual spirit of India.

  • POSTED BY sukuviju on | October 27, 2011, 9:08 GMT

    When i see Vinay Kumar start his run-up, I am reminded of Madan Lal - both these guys run faster than they bowl. These guys don't believe in change of pace, they deceive the batsmen with lack of pace. Batsmen struggle to read their bowling - how often you come across spinners with a fast bowlers run-up, how often you see an off spin disguised as an in-swinger. Smart guys, they believe in being different.

  • POSTED BY indianzen on | October 27, 2011, 7:26 GMT

    I think I can understand Dhoni a little now, he is not ready to experiment things abroad, but he is ok to give things a try while at home comfortable. He is slowly bringing the talents out of the bowlers. just the pace bowling department needs to improve... Ashwin and Jadeja will be the best spinning allrounder pair available in the world...

  • POSTED BY on | October 27, 2011, 7:00 GMT

    @kalyanbk its not as u think. Ashwin was a new comer in worldcup so he decided not to take a risk especially in a final because of dew factor. And varun aaron was not quite consistent in his line and lenghth as now wen he was in england. Every team need a allrounder wen they go with 4 specialist bowler and if they giv chance to rahul it wil be 6batsmen and 5bowler that affects balance of the team. Rahul can bat but not as much jadeja can. If yuvi comes back jadeja wil get his chance hardly even after a superb series tats reality

  • POSTED BY nair_ottappalam on | October 27, 2011, 5:29 GMT

    It is nice to give a fitting reply to the English, who had the better laugh two months ago. Some of the young guns rose to the occasion and fired to give signals to the selection board that they are ready to replace the seniors who had not being playing. Now, at least in Indian conditions, Sachin, Yuvi & Sehwag can take rest. Kohli, Rahane have played superbly. The fielding was excellent with the likes of Kohli, Raina, Rahane, Tiwari & Jadeja. That was the area India wanted to focus upon. Jadeja & Ashwain have made it very difficult for Bhajji to find his way back into the team. Aaron, Vinay and Praveen fired equally well. Overall a very very great series. But there were a few umpiring aberrations which caused England's downfall in more than one match. Cook was at the receiving end twice and Kiewsetter in the final ODI. His wicket really changed the game in the last ODI.

  • POSTED BY on | October 27, 2011, 4:45 GMT

    All 4 International wickets "Bowled" - that is the sign of a good fast bowler. Well done Varun Aaron!! Hope to see you more. Impressive bowling.

  • POSTED BY Prats6 on | October 27, 2011, 4:05 GMT

    @srinivas, please do not make assumptions.. you know the rest. If MSD claims, our pacers were not able to complete 10 overs, he should be willing to give them bowling first! Our fastest bowler got a chance behind Tiwary & Jadeja! And that too, after he looked like settling into a rhythm , he was taken off. I am not sure but his behaviour towards Aaron has been partial to say the least, he was not played in England, where he would have suited better, in India, Yadav & Vinay were chosen ahead of him, when he plays he is never even given a chance to complete 10 overs... Tell me what should I understand and why should I like MSD?

  • POSTED BY NRI- on | October 27, 2011, 3:37 GMT

    I would advise Dhoni to go to the Gabba or Perth or least to Mohali and bat against Aaron himself with three slips, two gullies and a new ball. Dhoni will find batting very difficult and learn to appreciate what a find he has and so fortunate he is after the debacle of RPS, Munaf and Sreesanth in pace and seam friendly conditions in England. These three should be shelved for at least two years, perhaps forever. The other three are all right but not great - PK is good but slow, Ishant tries but does not move the ball well and Zaheer is perpetually injured. When Cook & Kieswetter were threatening to end the match with a 10 wicket victory for England, who made the breakthrough in his first two overs? MS needs to get his head examined.

  • POSTED BY NRI- on | October 27, 2011, 3:29 GMT

    What has everyone got against Jadeja? He has performed very well, even in England with 78 not out whereas Yuvraj is just a flat track bully batsman and his ODI batting has gone down. Jadeja is also a real spinner whereas Yuvi is a pie chucker. Jadeja is the genuine allrounder that India needs for ODIs, batting well at 7 and bowling 10 tight overs with a few wickets as well. Dhoni's comments about Aaron are very poor. This guy is GREAT find. Instead of wasting him in ODIs, where Dhoni is so bothered about the odd boundary, Aaron should play test matches against WI and go to Australia where he can really excel. With Sreesanth, RP Singh, Munaf, Bhajji and Mishra all performing very poorly in England, especially the three seamers who even had the most seam friendly conditions in the world, we need Aaron & Yadav/ Nehra to go with PK, Ishant and Zaheer. Set Aaron free and let him bowl to three slips and two gullies in tests.

  • POSTED BY aa61761 on | October 27, 2011, 2:45 GMT

    England and India are Lions in their own backyard and Rabbits outside.

  • POSTED BY the_blue_android on | October 26, 2011, 23:58 GMT

    I think Dhoni is just protecting his cronies like Munaf, Jadeja, RP etc and keeping younger fast bowlers out.

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | October 26, 2011, 23:20 GMT

    @bigwonder - LOL - England summers are always rainy - do you really think England can control the weather? If you think india had it bad you should have seen the Sri Lanka series. Indeed, if india would have toured first in the summer india could have escaped with a couple of draws in the Test series due to rain. Sri Lanka did. It was pretty hot and dry for the Test series with india, in the main. And since when do we have to care about or do "justice to the ODI format"? This just looks like another bunch of excuses to me, a slightly new variation - but excuses nevertheless. Maybe it would have been better for india if it had rained out every day of cricket. Better no cricket than losing at cricket eh?

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 21:46 GMT

    Some people commenting about Dhoni bringing Aaron late.They are not understanding the tactics Dhoni manged well.He used part time bowlers like Kohli and Tiwari in between bowling PP 1 and 2 he is saving the third seamer ie,umesh/aaron for the second powerplay and for the batting powerplay he is using that third seamer quota and aswins spell.And aaron is getting some reverse swing too with the old ball,check his bowling in the fourth odi he got all wickets with old ball with some reverse swing.About Jadeja he is a valuable player now atleat in india.One person commenting very bad about Yuvi,dear friend who was the MOS in the WC? he batted well and get wickets in crucial points.

  • POSTED BY zico123 on | October 26, 2011, 21:09 GMT

    Varun Aaron is should given given a good run in ODIs, IPL is causing cricket overdose in India.

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 20:13 GMT

    aaron is the find. The guy marked consistently ol ver 140- you need guys like this to shove off the opposition. I have become an instant fan of aaron. Let him go wild. Dhoni- please do not restrict him like how you use to control sreeshanth

  • POSTED BY itsthewayuplay on | October 26, 2011, 20:09 GMT

    @sramesh_74 it could be argued that the featherbed pitches make for more skilful bowlers because they have to work harder for their wickets. In theory it should be easier to adjust from Ind pitches to the ones in Eng as they are more helpful bowling conditions rather than vice versa. If Ind pitches are too much like Eng we run the risk of losing wristy players that Ind and SL and Pak are known for. Ind pitches also encourages spin bowling. So I would say keep most of the pitches as they are in Ind but change or add some that are bowler friendly to assist players to make the necessary adjustment. But one of the best ways to adjust to overseas conditions such as in Eng is for Ind players to go and play county cricket for a season or two. Morgan has become a better player of spin since playing in the IPL.

  • POSTED BY theRule19 on | October 26, 2011, 20:07 GMT

    Good to see young pace talents in Aaron and Yadav. Hope they dont loose their pace like other players did and would focus on the accurate lengths by not compromising on pace. Hope to see them both in the same team ahead of Vinay Kumar.

  • POSTED BY HarishVS on | October 26, 2011, 19:05 GMT

    I think some of the reactions of fans here are due to "Reading in between the lines" of Dhoni's comments. Dhoni might be referring to leg side full tosses and wides that went for boundaries bowled by both Aaron and Umesh Yadav. His assessment about our part time bowlers' effectiveness and spinners getting turns in foreign pitches like Australia, SA or England is just appropriate in every right. Dhoni is just speaking out our experience in the recently conclude tour of England where we lost in all formats of the game with a singular win. May be he sounded little bit harsh that he did appreciated the good work done by Aaron and Umesh Yadav. That was probably the mistake he did in his post match comments that would have triggered angry reactions from our fans. He is also right in saying that Sachin or Sehwag cant be replaced. There will be no second Sachin Tendulkar or Virendar Sehwag to play cricket again in any future.

  • POSTED BY NairUSA on | October 26, 2011, 18:24 GMT

    Good wins in this series. Congrats! India had consistently lacked a strike bowler who can rush the batsmen or even clean up the stumps when nothing works. Someone like Aron or Umesh should be brought up just to do that. So, pace matters for such a person. Other swing bowlers like Zak, PK, Sree and seamers like Ishant should be able to shoulder the 'containment'.

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | October 26, 2011, 18:22 GMT

    I agree with other commenters that Dhoni's criticism of Yadav & Aaron is unfair. Aaron took 3 Wkts. in the ODI #4 at a economical rate and another wicket in the ODI#5 at 6.3 runs/over. Aaron was brought on very late in both the ODI's - even after part time bowlers Kohli & Raina. Kumar & Vinay were more expensive than Aaron with No Wkts. On flat Indian tracks Aaron got 4 wickets in 2 ODI's at an economy rate of just over 5 runs /over.He clean bowled all 3 guys in ODI #4. So Dhoni's crticism of Aaron is unfair & he needs to justify the delay in inclusion of Aaron so long. Aaron moved the ball both in the air & off the seam & got crucial first wkt. of Cook.Great job by 21 year old!.I would also ask Dhoni why did he exclude Rahul Sharma in a dead Rubber ODI #5? Rahul is as good as Ashwin & Jadeja both in batting & bowling.It is time India starts playing leg spinners who were always India's trump card in the past - e.g., SP Gupte, Chandrashekar, Kumble.Dhoni needs to consider this.

  • POSTED BY loudmouth on | October 26, 2011, 17:00 GMT

    Interesting that Dhoni says he can't replace seniors like Yuvraj. Why not? The only difference between Raina and Yuvraj is that Raina can field and isn't carrying 25 pounds extra! Yuvie looks a shell of his former self. I'm certain the extra energy in the field of players like Jadeja and Kohli helped them squeeze England out of those games. The India of old used to let games slip away because they were sloppy in the field. This new team looks hungry and like they want to dominate teams with all 3 aspects of the game. Expect a big future from these youngsters.

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 16:20 GMT

    In test against west indies need to include B Aparajith as second spinner bowler. Because he can bowl and also bat well. He proved already. At least need to allow him and Sandeep Sarma to join with seniors. Sure they have good future. Second spinner case we already give chance for somany players they didn't success except Pragyan Ojha. But some time if one person can bat too that is far better spcialy in abroad. How many chance Mishra got. He didn't utilised that. We need allrounder spinner in second spinner place.

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 15:48 GMT

    It is not speed is need cotrole speed and swing. We need bowler like Zaheer who have bowling art. And he is wicket taker bowler on proper pitch or flate pitch.India have very good batting side only need to improove fast bowling dept.

  • POSTED BY kalyanbk on | October 26, 2011, 15:11 GMT

    I cannot understand Dhonis captaincy. He did not give Ashwin too many chances in the world cup. He did not give varun any chance in England even after the series was lost. He never gave a chance to Rahul Sharma after the series was won in India. It seems he only wants to give chances to Ravindra Jadeja.

  • POSTED BY KarlCorrea on | October 26, 2011, 14:40 GMT

    Dhoni has something against Aaron I guess. He gets him on to bowl at weird times. Beginning of the 2nd power play when the ball has lost its shine. He needs to be given the new ball no doubt about that. The test series will decide this. If India go in with lacklustre bowlers like Vinay, Munaf and Praveen and win the series with spin; it will be a huge loss for India. Aaron , U Yadav either or both of them are a must in the test side. Don't know if anyone noticed this but after being hit for a boundary Aaron was furious and steamed in to bowl Cook out which gave India the win.He did a "Zaheer"; getting India a breakthrough at an implausible stage. Dhoni should have given credit to Aaron.

  • POSTED BY Raman.UV on | October 26, 2011, 14:39 GMT

    May be Vinay had a good record in ranji's but at the highest level he seems to be very ordinary who rely on the batsmen to give away wickets and he is not good at depth overs also. Same with Aravind and mithun. I had not seem much of Aron and and Umesh other then there International matches it might be too early to call them our next strike bowlers after Zak but they both showed some good surprise deliveries and Aron had cleared the English tail in no time which the other bowlers like Vinay and even Praveen were not able to do it for indian.India must use Varun and Umesh with out exp guys like ZAK Nehra, RP PK Ishant so they learn about this level. I dont think its good to have Vinay or Aravind or Mithun in our future plans and should go with our senior bowlers along with Umesh and Aron

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | October 26, 2011, 14:39 GMT

    Without playing experience, Yadav & Aaron cannot just come & bowl accurately. Aaron was used as a" Drinks Boy" for 7 ODI's before he got a chance to bowl. At least these 2 bowled with some fire @ 140+ KPH after docile 125-130 KPH from Vinay & Praveen.Both Yadav & Aaron have the pace - actually Aaron swung & seamed the ball very well - now they need to play more often so that they can learn where they need to bowl to save runs..Both Aaron & Yadav took wkts with better average of runs/wkt than many past Indian regular bowlers - e.g. Bhaiji took 2 trest wkts at 141 runs/wkt!.I am still amazed that Rahul Sharma was not tested and just warmed the bench for 5 ODI's.Leg spin bowling used to be India's strength for long time - SP Gupte, ChandraShekar, Kumble carried the Indian team for years.Similarly left arm orthodox of Mankad, Nadkarni, Durrani, Bedi was dominant. India need to pay more attention to Left arm orthodox of Ojha & right arm leg spin of Sharma -both v.economical Wkt. takers.

  • POSTED BY bigwonder on | October 26, 2011, 14:07 GMT

    @Tim40621, I believe the same for series in England. If the plans were to play England in India, then why have the series in England during the rainy summer. Most of the ODI's were rain induced and did not do justice to the ODI format

  • POSTED BY Collegefastbowler on | October 26, 2011, 13:10 GMT

    I think his assessment of the contribution of the young and emerging fast bowlers is a little harsh. Remember they were bowling on flat slow low pitches to accomplished batsmen of pace bowling. Also remember that at crucial moments in both the 4th and 5th ODI it was their extra pace that provided the breakthroughs which the spinners exploited. In the 5th ODI England were going strong at about 120 for no loss when Varun broke through bowling Cook. That opened the floodgates and the rest of the batsmen collapsed meekly to the spinners. The spinners by themselves were not able to break through. On helpful pitches abroad both Varun and Yadav will be much more effective. Poor selection was the main reason for our dismal performance in the last tour of England. Dhoni also is to blame as he did not utilize Varun though he was part of the squad in England. In Indian conditions part time spin bowlers can win matches but that is not going to happen on green pitches abroad.

  • POSTED BY sachinsjaihindustan on | October 26, 2011, 13:09 GMT

    Aarpee 2, you're saying that Dhoni's assessment is a bit harsh, I think it is too lenient. England's performance was uninspiring to say the least. I realize that playing in India, on turning pitches is a challenge, but their batsmen did not rotate the strike regularly. Hence they were often dismissed after being forced into playing risky shots. Also on the flat, placid pitches with very little pace, bounce and sideways movement, their lengths were all wrong. They often pitched the ball too full, often being driven for 4. They needed to drag their lengths back, and use subtle variations (slower ball bouncers etc). India on the other hand showed great improvement since the England tour. Although they have found fast bowlers, that can bowl 140+ kph, accuracy is the key (which was lacking at times). The true test will come in future overseas tours.

  • POSTED BY Naresh28 on | October 26, 2011, 12:40 GMT

    Yes Indian pace and seam bowlers need to improve. Especially outside the subcontinent. Right now Ishant Sharma is probably our best after Zaheer. Zaheer is a gem of a bowler - left handed and that hop before delivery makes him potent. Right now we do not have a good left armer. Ashish Nehra is a ODI bowler who cannot last the distance in tests. Zaheer's best period is over, Ishant was overused in the last games before his injury. We lacked a good left armer and that restricted our variety in England. Bowling should not be one dimensional, otherwise the batsman no what to expect from each bowler and can predict which area to be guarded on. Also when we bat outside the sub- continent we need batsman with tall stature- this is why Dravid was effective in England

  • POSTED BY sramesh_74 on | October 26, 2011, 12:16 GMT

    @analyseabhishek - Thanks for enlightening me..my life has found true meaning.

    McGrath, Gillespie, Md. Asif, Chris Tremlett, Stuart Broad, Stuart Clarke...I could go on..Whats common here??? All these blokes were seam bowlers and were fantastic in England. Places like Engalnd help not just swing bowlers..even seam bowlers tend to do very well..Get the point??

  • POSTED BY aarpee2 on | October 26, 2011, 12:11 GMT

    I think Dhoni's assesssment is a bit harsh.For an inexperienced seam attack I believe all of them acquitted themselves pretty well on placid tracks against top class players of seam.One must compare their figures with that of the more experienced seam attack of the opposition.Barring Finn the rest were taken to the cleaners.I believe ODI is a batman's game and having bowled out England twice below 200 and 3 times within the 38th over with 70+ balls to spare it was teamwork by all the bowlers with good fielding that helped India win convincingly.

  • POSTED BY Ravi_kumar_Kinnera on | October 26, 2011, 12:10 GMT

    Why MS didn't try to open with Aron. MS might be thinking that Aron can be dangerous with his deadly Yorkers in the final overs. But at least he should have tried to open with him for two or three overs? Aron should have got the chance in Eng itself, but MS had denied his ODI entry. Aron should have more comparative in English conditions than Indian flat tracks. As we have already won the series, why MS didn't give chance to Rahul Sharma (Rahul Sharma can also bat like Ashwin or Jadeja. I think he has to wait for another 3 matches to get a chance like Aron:)?? MS has likes on few players like Ashwin, Jadeja, Partiv Patel, Vinay and Suresh Raina. Vinay might have had a good series but he is completely below compare with other bowlers. He doesn't have pace and swing, he only have MS recommendation. India still has to concentrate on pace bowling department to grow up in rankings. India has to groom the bowlers Ishanth, Aron, Yadav, PK(has to improve speed) and ZK always will be there:).

  • POSTED BY Tim40621 on | October 26, 2011, 11:55 GMT

    I really dont get why weve played India away after just playing a whole summer against them. All thats been proved is that we can hammer India in England and they can hammer us in there backyard. This ODI series should not have been scheduled

  • POSTED BY Tijara on | October 26, 2011, 11:53 GMT

    Indians should participate in English County Cricket, but it should be attempted to replicate the English conditions in India in the nothern parts of the country. There should be good stadiums in all hill stations like Dehradun, Darjeeling, Dharamshala, etc.

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 11:42 GMT

    ya 1st of all my frnd u need to analys before commenting..u said f9 varun is seam bowler but way better than munaf patel or rp or vinay kumar..look at england atttach..even broad is seam bowler and also finn..n they were succful..145kph is 145 kph..indina managed to win 4th odi because of varun otherwise with pk or vkumar eng wld hv gt 250+ easily n tht would hv been tough chase..AND ABOUT DHONI'S COMMENTS WELL CAPTAIN COOL NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT PACE MATTERS BECAUSE WITH MEDIUM PACE OR SPINNER HE IS NOT GOING TO WIN WC 2015 ..U NEED TO HAVE 2 BOWLERS WHO CAN BOWL AT 140+ LIKE INDIAN HAD IN 2003(NEHRA,ZAK) AND 2007 WT20 (RP +SREE),CB SERIES 2008(ISHANT,SREE)..LOOK WHT HAPPND TO INDIANS IN WT20 2009 N 2010 N ALSO CHAMP TRPHY BECAUSE NO ONE CAPABLE OF TOUCHING 140+ THT TIME..PACE MATTERS ..U HAVE TO BOWL AT 140+ N YES IF POSSIBLE MAINTAIN LINE N LENGTH BUT PACE SHOULD BE 1ST PRIORITY N I THINK YADAV N AARON SHOWED WHT PACE CAN DO EVEN ON FLAT TRACKS..

  • POSTED BY isot on | October 26, 2011, 11:34 GMT

    Zaheer's experience, Praveen's swing and Aaron's speed will be a good combination. Of course, only if Aaron does not sacrifise speed for accuracy like Irfan etc.

  • POSTED BY analyseabhishek on | October 26, 2011, 10:39 GMT

    @sramesh74@- In England, the change is for swing. Its the swing bowlers who rule the roost there, like Zaheer. Plus the bowlers needs to bee experienced in English conditions. Varun Aaron is a seam bowler. He is fast but there was no guarantee that he could have clicked in England. Perhaps you need to play proper cricket with the leather ball on a proper pitch and follow the game more closely before you start understanding International players.

  • POSTED BY ManasiK on | October 26, 2011, 10:10 GMT

    Very well played by India. MS is right- we need to improve our bowling.Spinners have done their job. Please win the test series against WI 3-0 too.

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 10:10 GMT

    Dhoni is right in his comment. Even though English lost the series 5-0 but Finn was the most impressive among all the pacers. The way he bowled in Indian slow pitches is really commendable. What ever the result is we can't ignore our weakness datz is our speed department. In batting Parthiv Patel was a disappointing one. He got so many chances but his batting never looked threatening enough in this entire series. I just want to see how Aaron performs against WI.

  • POSTED BY Fast_Track_Bully on | October 26, 2011, 10:08 GMT

    Once the seniors are back, Dhoni must be in big confusion. In fast bowling ZAK/Munaf/Ishant (test)/PK/Aron/Yadav/VK/Sreeshant (test) and even Nehra for the 3 spot. In batting Sachin/Viru/Gambhir/Rahane/Kohli/Rohitsharma/Yuvi/Raina for top 5. All rounder Jadeja/YPathan , Spinner Aswin/Bhaji/Rohit what will Dhoni do?

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 9:45 GMT

    Suddenly all are going after dhoni for not using Varun.. It is only india not used have a fast bowler.. Not that england hasn't played a fast bowler.. Appreciate his confidence in the spinners to win the game from the broken partnership.. Varun will get his chances.. But he won't be a worry for most of the international players unless he has good control..

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 9:42 GMT

    @Srinivas Ele i agree with prats_p yes yadav is on expensive side when it comes to wayward bowling but aaron looks good..on flat tracks his overall figures are 9.1 overs 43 run 4 wickets out of which 2 were crucial bresnan on 40+ and cook 50 + ....ya he is rite abt vinay n pk but nt fair on new comer aaron yes he did bowl well..

  • POSTED BY pratit on | October 26, 2011, 9:24 GMT

    Inda has a decent enough fast bowling attack for ODIs. The worrying aspect is Indian bowling in tests. The quality is not good enough and with just 4 bowlers, workload is too heavy. Dhoni overused Ishant throughout the West Indies and England tour. India had a decent attack when Ganguly and Sehwag bowled in tests, lending a nice balance. But now, unless India finds an allrounder things are not going to improve.

  • POSTED BY Amit_V on | October 26, 2011, 9:24 GMT

    MS please send bowlers like Aaron and Yadav to England to play county cricket like we did with Zak so they can learn to play at their best in the most difficult conditions not on the Indian wickets. It will do them the world of good and avoid instances like with Munaf, Irfan and Ishant where they lose their pace!

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 9:15 GMT

    prats_p MS dhoni was saving aaron for the end when the ball reverse swings and he can bowl his deadly yorkers. Ms dhoni was waiting for the ball to spin.

  • POSTED BY sramesh_74 on | October 26, 2011, 8:54 GMT

    I just cannot understand Captain Cool...he says our seam attack needs to improve. Did he blood Aaron in the more helpful English conditions??? No...he chose to do that on the featherbeds in India. Improve the quality of the playing surfaces for the seamers to be more effective. Batsmen can just line them up and tee off...

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 8:32 GMT

    @prats_p I understand that you don't like dhoni much. If going by the last match, once aaron got the wicket, the following over was of a spinner and going by the assistance from the pitch he reserved aaron for other times, which never was required as the spinners did the job. Also, he was aaron was pretty wayward in the initial part of his spell.

  • POSTED BY ashish_gajjar on | October 26, 2011, 7:50 GMT

    PLS MS GIVEN CHANCE YOUNG CRICKETER LIKE AARON,YADAV,R ASHWIN,RAHANE,PUJARA,ROHIT SHARMA AND VIRAT KOHLI IN WI TEST SERIES

  • POSTED BY Prats6 on | October 26, 2011, 7:27 GMT

    "But our pacers could not bowl 10 overs and we have to realise where we have to go better. .." Varun Aaron was removed after he took a wicket and was never asked to bowl again... I wonder what MSD would say to that? He has quite clearly not been bowling Varun Aaron, even though he looked the best seamer on view. People need not take MSD's every word as Gospel, he is as fallible as anyone.

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  • POSTED BY Prats6 on | October 26, 2011, 7:27 GMT

    "But our pacers could not bowl 10 overs and we have to realise where we have to go better. .." Varun Aaron was removed after he took a wicket and was never asked to bowl again... I wonder what MSD would say to that? He has quite clearly not been bowling Varun Aaron, even though he looked the best seamer on view. People need not take MSD's every word as Gospel, he is as fallible as anyone.

  • POSTED BY ashish_gajjar on | October 26, 2011, 7:50 GMT

    PLS MS GIVEN CHANCE YOUNG CRICKETER LIKE AARON,YADAV,R ASHWIN,RAHANE,PUJARA,ROHIT SHARMA AND VIRAT KOHLI IN WI TEST SERIES

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 8:32 GMT

    @prats_p I understand that you don't like dhoni much. If going by the last match, once aaron got the wicket, the following over was of a spinner and going by the assistance from the pitch he reserved aaron for other times, which never was required as the spinners did the job. Also, he was aaron was pretty wayward in the initial part of his spell.

  • POSTED BY sramesh_74 on | October 26, 2011, 8:54 GMT

    I just cannot understand Captain Cool...he says our seam attack needs to improve. Did he blood Aaron in the more helpful English conditions??? No...he chose to do that on the featherbeds in India. Improve the quality of the playing surfaces for the seamers to be more effective. Batsmen can just line them up and tee off...

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 9:15 GMT

    prats_p MS dhoni was saving aaron for the end when the ball reverse swings and he can bowl his deadly yorkers. Ms dhoni was waiting for the ball to spin.

  • POSTED BY Amit_V on | October 26, 2011, 9:24 GMT

    MS please send bowlers like Aaron and Yadav to England to play county cricket like we did with Zak so they can learn to play at their best in the most difficult conditions not on the Indian wickets. It will do them the world of good and avoid instances like with Munaf, Irfan and Ishant where they lose their pace!

  • POSTED BY pratit on | October 26, 2011, 9:24 GMT

    Inda has a decent enough fast bowling attack for ODIs. The worrying aspect is Indian bowling in tests. The quality is not good enough and with just 4 bowlers, workload is too heavy. Dhoni overused Ishant throughout the West Indies and England tour. India had a decent attack when Ganguly and Sehwag bowled in tests, lending a nice balance. But now, unless India finds an allrounder things are not going to improve.

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 9:42 GMT

    @Srinivas Ele i agree with prats_p yes yadav is on expensive side when it comes to wayward bowling but aaron looks good..on flat tracks his overall figures are 9.1 overs 43 run 4 wickets out of which 2 were crucial bresnan on 40+ and cook 50 + ....ya he is rite abt vinay n pk but nt fair on new comer aaron yes he did bowl well..

  • POSTED BY on | October 26, 2011, 9:45 GMT

    Suddenly all are going after dhoni for not using Varun.. It is only india not used have a fast bowler.. Not that england hasn't played a fast bowler.. Appreciate his confidence in the spinners to win the game from the broken partnership.. Varun will get his chances.. But he won't be a worry for most of the international players unless he has good control..

  • POSTED BY Fast_Track_Bully on | October 26, 2011, 10:08 GMT

    Once the seniors are back, Dhoni must be in big confusion. In fast bowling ZAK/Munaf/Ishant (test)/PK/Aron/Yadav/VK/Sreeshant (test) and even Nehra for the 3 spot. In batting Sachin/Viru/Gambhir/Rahane/Kohli/Rohitsharma/Yuvi/Raina for top 5. All rounder Jadeja/YPathan , Spinner Aswin/Bhaji/Rohit what will Dhoni do?