India v England, 1st ODI, Rajkot January 11, 2013

New rules, old problems for India

India's batsmen are usually unstoppable in Rajkot-like conditions. One of the reasons for their failed chase is that age-old conundrum in Indian one-day cricket: whether to go with seven specialist batsmen or not
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"I don't want to sound arrogant, but it seemed easy when (Suresh) Raina and I were in the middle, with five fielders in the circle," MS Dhoni said after India's nine-run defeat to England in Rajkot. Dhoni is regarded among the best finishers in ODI history, and it is a sign of his confidence that even with the asking rate in double-digits and the last specialist batting pair in the middle, he thought his team were in charge.

One of the reasons for that self-belief is that India's home one-day success has been built on their batting might, especially on flat tracks. The Indian bowling has rarely been short of a weak link or two, and victories have generally arrived on the basis of an "anything the opposition scores, we can chase" mentality or a "bat first and make enough to cover for the shaky bowling" thinking.

It may have been the first match at the Saurashtra Cricket Association stadium, but the track was as flat as anything dished up at that batting beauty that was the Madhavrao Scindia ground, Rajkot's previous international venue.

These are the sort of conditions India's batsmen are nearly unstoppable in. Witness the dramatic shift in fortunes for the likes of Gautam Gambhir and Yuvraj Singh. In the recent Pakistan series, with the ball swerving around and Saeed Ajmal spinning it both ways, you were expecting dismissals every over, so nervy were the Indian batsmen. In Rajkot, they were regularly finding the boundaries.

India may have never chased as big a target at home as they were asked to in Rajkot, but the super-quick outfield gave them another reason to believe. "It was really fast," Dhoni said. "On a normal ground this could have been a 270-280 score. Once you push into the gap (here) there's a boundary for you."

Despite the outfield, a string of soft dismissals and a top-score of 61 meant India ended up short. The other reason for the chase derailing is that age-old conundrum in Indian one-day cricket: whether to go with seven specialist batsmen or not.

Dhoni, usually the most imperturbable of players, showed his frustration at Raina's chip back to the bowler James Tredwell in the 42nd over, perhaps realising that he'd have to provide all the big hits if India were to get the remaining 83 runs. Ravindra Jadeja has proved effective with the ball, especially under the new rules forcing five fielders in the circle, but isn't quite the No. 7 batsman needed when a high-scoring game is headed towards a tight finish. He has muscled some mighty sixes in the IPL, though a similar ability hasn't been replicated at the international level, especially with the team in trouble.

After the failure of Yusuf Pathan in that spot, the headache was solved during the 2011 World Cup by Yuvraj taking over as the fifth bowler. With the new rules forcing Dhoni away from his dependence on part-time bowlers, Jadeja is getting picked as an allrounder ahead of specialist batsmen Rohit Sharma and Cheteshwar Pujara.

The problem could perhaps be solved once Irfan Pathan returns to full fitness. He is a player of whose batting India have expected a touch too much at times, but he could provide the power needed at No. 7 besides plenty of overs with the ball. Add in Jadeja at No. 8, followed by R Ashwin at No. 9.

The return of Irfan could also lead to another halt to the limited-overs career of Ishant Sharma, who India have turned to presumably because the selectors want a quick bowler with experience, given that Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Ashok Dinda and Shami Ahmed are all new at the international level and a host of others are injured.

Ishant hasn't featured regularly in the one-day side for around three years, and in Rajkot he showed why. Despite bowling tidily with the new ball - including two maidens - he was battered for 86 runs in 10 overs. He hardly bowled any yorkers, regularly allowing the batsmen to get under the ball and put it away.

Ishant's off-colour performance also leaves Dhoni pondering how to sort out that other familiar problem for India - the death bowling. "We have to look how good Shami Ahmed is when it comes to bowling yorkers and wickets like these where there is not much to offer for the fast bowlers," he said. "That's why we went for Dinda (today), because he is experienced and he executes the yorkers well." Perhaps the next match in Kochi is the place to find out.

Siddarth Ravindran is a senior sub-editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 14, 2013, 16:42 GMT

    India lost the first ODI due to poor team selection + Bowling- Root cause of both was MS Dhoni. India cannot go with the same XI & suddenly expect the team of Losers to be winners by Miracle. This is the blunder Dhoni & the Indian Selectors are making consistently with losses record confirming it. First of all Kohli who led the team to victories thru his ODI batting is failing very badly. He scored 102 total runs in last 7 ODI's & only 25 in last 4 ODI's where India lost. Reliable batting demands Pujara @#3 & Kohli #4. This allows Kohli to build his confidence & hot Pujara to make his contribution. This is a "Given" which any Captain would do first. Secondly, Focus on 3 spinners -Jadeja,Ashwin &Yuvraj+Raina+2 Seamers- B.Kumar & Shami. This allows Pujara to play in XI thereby reinforcing batting with reliablility. Also Dinda & Ishant gave about 144 runs in 18 overs. Nadeem & Agarkar would be best replacements.But in squad Yuvraj + Raina can also do better together with Shami.Be Clever!

  • POSTED BY CricketMaan on | January 14, 2013, 14:13 GMT

    Its ironical that Dhoni says he picked Dinda coz he can bowl yorkers and yet bowled him only for 8 overs after picking 2 wkts and not giving him the ball in overs 48 to 50. The old Dhoni always backed his actions by saying somethign sensible., The new Dhoni has cluttered mind and doesnt even know what he says. Such can be the pressure in a cricket cray nation.

  • POSTED BY murali_knair on | January 14, 2013, 8:23 GMT

    Dhoni is a good player and was a good captian too. However, his confidence at this juncture is very low and whatever decision he takes it is likely to be backfired. Having said so, repeated defeats due to reapeated faults cannot be acceptable to Indian cricket fraternity. The time is very near the crowd start to target the players who does not perform but still want to remain in the team. Players like Rohit Sharma should not be given any more chance. One wonder, what is the place of Ashwin in the team, as a bowler or batsman or all rounder. None of the above suits him. Harbhjan is far better than this stupid bowler. Bring Harbhajan ( I am not so happy about his performance during the last couple of years) and he will bring some aggression and metan toughness to the Indian Team which India sorely misses at this point of time. Another thing once Irfan and Yousuf become available,both these brothers should be given a chance to play together.

  • POSTED BY Vanarp21 on | January 14, 2013, 0:31 GMT

    India should really try out Shami Ahmed...he is the only choice. They also have to sort out their batting problems. Why not put Ishank Jaggi into the Test or ODI teams?

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 13, 2013, 21:32 GMT

    Sid, I can strongly recommend a New Rule for India "Never field the same Xi after losing!". Evaluate Root cause for the loss + implement corrective Actions. May be 2 bowlers & 2 batsmen failed - partially or badly. Get suitable replacement from outside the squad if needed. This is a standard practice. Every country in the World does this in each & every sport. But India is the only stubborn country who plays the same Losers XI in Cricket. By reinforcing the team XI with with better bowlers or Batsmen (missing in the losing team), the Team confidence goes up & new spirit for Victory emerges. However, knowing the Indian Captain Dhoni, he will persist with the same XI right up to the batting order. Not only that he believes that the same team can win.With this simplistic attitude, India lost the Test series in England, Australia & in India. Now they lost an ODI series to Pakistan in India & may lose the ODI series to England if this Dhoni's Culture continues.BCCI need to take Action Now!

  • POSTED BY Retour on | January 13, 2013, 16:17 GMT

    It appears as if Ind not only has to fight the opponent, but also itself. In this game, Ind made a few mistakes such as Why not pick Pujara, who is in great form? He probably would have hit a 100 and won Ind the game. Ishant has been successful bowling first change, so why make him open the bowling? Other case could be Sammi vs Dinda. Playing 5 bowlers is the right move, now what Ind needs to do is focus on picking 5 best batsmen and bowlers.

  • POSTED BY on | January 13, 2013, 15:45 GMT

    Kohli is certainly on a bad patch. Persisting with him will be good for him only not for the team in this do or die situation. Shami Ahmed had an excellent debut against Pakistan and Aswin is getting too predicable for English men. An extra batsaman could have won the match in Rajkot. My team for the second ODI will be Ajinkya Rahane, Goutham Gambhir, Chetheswar Pujara, Yuvraj Singh, Suresh Raina, MS Dhoni,Rohit Sharma, Amit Mishra,Bhuvaneswar Kumar,Ashok Dinda, Shami Ahmed

  • POSTED BY karpurapu_kalyan on | January 13, 2013, 14:22 GMT

    DHONI WAS captain of BEST indian cricket team not the other way round: Dhoni says dinda was picked for his Yorker's capability but he does not give him final overs......ishanth never has history of bowling good yorkers still was given final over....he says he want to give chance to youngsters (Jadeja) but forunately carries Tiwari, rahane as 12th man for years after years and series after series..he says Yuvraj is not regular bowler hence he is consiously not bowling him due to new ODI rules of 5 fields but he throws bowl to Raina or kohli who are not even comparable with Yuvraj's bowling skills....he has distinction of playing 3 spinners on pacy australian tracks to side lining I pathan to play his chamcha (R jadeja)....Pathan's strength is swing and you make him sideline for long time for your bunny..you dont use yuvraj as 5th bowler when he is best form(bowling) to justify your selection of Jadeja as 5th bowler....you are creating opportunities @cost of your country

  • POSTED BY on | January 13, 2013, 7:52 GMT

    It is funny to watch indian fans. just 5 matches ago you considered kohli as close to tendulkar. and now you want to drop him?. truly, he is only the quality batsman in indian team, who can play well at least against sri lanka,bangladesh, west indies and pakistan. just be patient. he will fire someday. may be after this year.

  • POSTED BY UAETigers on | January 13, 2013, 7:48 GMT

    If Dinda is a got death bowler, why he as not utilized for full quota and he bowled only 8 overs where as Ishant was made to bowl 10. Amazing captaincy you select a bowler for a specific reason and don't give him full overs at that time :)!!! Whoes fault is this? BCCI's or Dhoni's?

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 14, 2013, 16:42 GMT

    India lost the first ODI due to poor team selection + Bowling- Root cause of both was MS Dhoni. India cannot go with the same XI & suddenly expect the team of Losers to be winners by Miracle. This is the blunder Dhoni & the Indian Selectors are making consistently with losses record confirming it. First of all Kohli who led the team to victories thru his ODI batting is failing very badly. He scored 102 total runs in last 7 ODI's & only 25 in last 4 ODI's where India lost. Reliable batting demands Pujara @#3 & Kohli #4. This allows Kohli to build his confidence & hot Pujara to make his contribution. This is a "Given" which any Captain would do first. Secondly, Focus on 3 spinners -Jadeja,Ashwin &Yuvraj+Raina+2 Seamers- B.Kumar & Shami. This allows Pujara to play in XI thereby reinforcing batting with reliablility. Also Dinda & Ishant gave about 144 runs in 18 overs. Nadeem & Agarkar would be best replacements.But in squad Yuvraj + Raina can also do better together with Shami.Be Clever!

  • POSTED BY CricketMaan on | January 14, 2013, 14:13 GMT

    Its ironical that Dhoni says he picked Dinda coz he can bowl yorkers and yet bowled him only for 8 overs after picking 2 wkts and not giving him the ball in overs 48 to 50. The old Dhoni always backed his actions by saying somethign sensible., The new Dhoni has cluttered mind and doesnt even know what he says. Such can be the pressure in a cricket cray nation.

  • POSTED BY murali_knair on | January 14, 2013, 8:23 GMT

    Dhoni is a good player and was a good captian too. However, his confidence at this juncture is very low and whatever decision he takes it is likely to be backfired. Having said so, repeated defeats due to reapeated faults cannot be acceptable to Indian cricket fraternity. The time is very near the crowd start to target the players who does not perform but still want to remain in the team. Players like Rohit Sharma should not be given any more chance. One wonder, what is the place of Ashwin in the team, as a bowler or batsman or all rounder. None of the above suits him. Harbhjan is far better than this stupid bowler. Bring Harbhajan ( I am not so happy about his performance during the last couple of years) and he will bring some aggression and metan toughness to the Indian Team which India sorely misses at this point of time. Another thing once Irfan and Yousuf become available,both these brothers should be given a chance to play together.

  • POSTED BY Vanarp21 on | January 14, 2013, 0:31 GMT

    India should really try out Shami Ahmed...he is the only choice. They also have to sort out their batting problems. Why not put Ishank Jaggi into the Test or ODI teams?

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 13, 2013, 21:32 GMT

    Sid, I can strongly recommend a New Rule for India "Never field the same Xi after losing!". Evaluate Root cause for the loss + implement corrective Actions. May be 2 bowlers & 2 batsmen failed - partially or badly. Get suitable replacement from outside the squad if needed. This is a standard practice. Every country in the World does this in each & every sport. But India is the only stubborn country who plays the same Losers XI in Cricket. By reinforcing the team XI with with better bowlers or Batsmen (missing in the losing team), the Team confidence goes up & new spirit for Victory emerges. However, knowing the Indian Captain Dhoni, he will persist with the same XI right up to the batting order. Not only that he believes that the same team can win.With this simplistic attitude, India lost the Test series in England, Australia & in India. Now they lost an ODI series to Pakistan in India & may lose the ODI series to England if this Dhoni's Culture continues.BCCI need to take Action Now!

  • POSTED BY Retour on | January 13, 2013, 16:17 GMT

    It appears as if Ind not only has to fight the opponent, but also itself. In this game, Ind made a few mistakes such as Why not pick Pujara, who is in great form? He probably would have hit a 100 and won Ind the game. Ishant has been successful bowling first change, so why make him open the bowling? Other case could be Sammi vs Dinda. Playing 5 bowlers is the right move, now what Ind needs to do is focus on picking 5 best batsmen and bowlers.

  • POSTED BY on | January 13, 2013, 15:45 GMT

    Kohli is certainly on a bad patch. Persisting with him will be good for him only not for the team in this do or die situation. Shami Ahmed had an excellent debut against Pakistan and Aswin is getting too predicable for English men. An extra batsaman could have won the match in Rajkot. My team for the second ODI will be Ajinkya Rahane, Goutham Gambhir, Chetheswar Pujara, Yuvraj Singh, Suresh Raina, MS Dhoni,Rohit Sharma, Amit Mishra,Bhuvaneswar Kumar,Ashok Dinda, Shami Ahmed

  • POSTED BY karpurapu_kalyan on | January 13, 2013, 14:22 GMT

    DHONI WAS captain of BEST indian cricket team not the other way round: Dhoni says dinda was picked for his Yorker's capability but he does not give him final overs......ishanth never has history of bowling good yorkers still was given final over....he says he want to give chance to youngsters (Jadeja) but forunately carries Tiwari, rahane as 12th man for years after years and series after series..he says Yuvraj is not regular bowler hence he is consiously not bowling him due to new ODI rules of 5 fields but he throws bowl to Raina or kohli who are not even comparable with Yuvraj's bowling skills....he has distinction of playing 3 spinners on pacy australian tracks to side lining I pathan to play his chamcha (R jadeja)....Pathan's strength is swing and you make him sideline for long time for your bunny..you dont use yuvraj as 5th bowler when he is best form(bowling) to justify your selection of Jadeja as 5th bowler....you are creating opportunities @cost of your country

  • POSTED BY on | January 13, 2013, 7:52 GMT

    It is funny to watch indian fans. just 5 matches ago you considered kohli as close to tendulkar. and now you want to drop him?. truly, he is only the quality batsman in indian team, who can play well at least against sri lanka,bangladesh, west indies and pakistan. just be patient. he will fire someday. may be after this year.

  • POSTED BY UAETigers on | January 13, 2013, 7:48 GMT

    If Dinda is a got death bowler, why he as not utilized for full quota and he bowled only 8 overs where as Ishant was made to bowl 10. Amazing captaincy you select a bowler for a specific reason and don't give him full overs at that time :)!!! Whoes fault is this? BCCI's or Dhoni's?

  • POSTED BY on | January 13, 2013, 6:49 GMT

    India never a good bowling side its our batsman who letting India down. Top Order must make it count Half centuries never win you matches especially when you chase around 300.One of the top batsman have to bat full 50 overs whether chasing or Batting first. Ravindra Jadeja inclusion is surprising when Dhoni said in the Presentation Playing as a bowler but he hardly get wickets in some matches. India need to Change the team Mishra is good option he will be a andy batsman also Amit mishra should be replaced in place Jadeja. Hope Dhoni will make changes hope India pull back the series in Kochi

  • POSTED BY on | January 13, 2013, 3:38 GMT

    @Sitanshu Shekhar and PrinceOfSalem ....Guys grapes are sour.....India was never a good bowling side and will never become one...your bowlers just dont have strength to bowl fast....fast bowling takes lot out of your body and its an art which need to be perfected by bowling yorkers for couple of hours daily in nets ....give me the name of any fast bowler from india in current team or those retired who considered as threat to opposition....Grow up kidos...Indian team was and is bunch of some over rated cricketrs...so media generated stars....mark my words u ll lose this series against England...

  • POSTED BY vj3478 on | January 12, 2013, 23:52 GMT

    Let India A play agianst Eng and the team India can rest. Seems thats the only way to record a win against Eng.

  • POSTED BY Alexk400 on | January 12, 2013, 20:45 GMT

    Sharma's has two spot reserved in indian team or what ? No wonder punjab wants to separate from india. Hahaha. jk. Whole BCCI is favour system with each other. I select your relative , next time you select mine. I do not think this is not just BCCI , whole india is like this. I would divide india into small countries and make Indian Union of same like european union. Best way to manage this much population is give power to smaller set of people to manage themself. Competition is growth.

  • POSTED BY on | January 12, 2013, 20:37 GMT

    Gambhir & kohli r proving to be the weak link in the batting and ashwin & ishant in bowling need to replace them otherwise it could be a repeat of last series against pakistan

  • POSTED BY Fabianenio on | January 12, 2013, 20:25 GMT

    My Dear Dhoni, what are you doing, when we play for our country we need to keep our heads on our shoulders and have a mindset and play no matter what you have to chase. When you see a team member not performing you need to replace him with someone who is performing for the pride of India. BCCI, Selectors & Dhoni-how long will you guys make the same mistake over and over again. Why do you wait and give individuals 4-5 games to see if he clicks when he is totally out of form......for example Rohit on the tour of Sri Lanka played all the games but did not reach double figures. Are we waiting for this batch of players to retire in 10 years to give the younger generation who are fire powered right now to play. Senseless thinking my friends at the selectors point of view. If India needs to come back to the Numero Uno position they need to start thinking differently, use the best you have either from the lot who are waiting anxiously to see if they would ever play for India...Good luck!!!

  • POSTED BY crindex on | January 12, 2013, 19:30 GMT

    Drop non performers from the team, India. Replace Kohli for Pujara. Mishra or Jalab Saxena for Ashwin and Sami Ahmed for Ishant. We are good to go . We will win the remaining matches.

  • POSTED BY on | January 12, 2013, 18:54 GMT

    @ spinkingKK.

    So Dhoni made 32 off 25 balls 4 Sixes, 8 runs and 13 dot balls. Miss used the bowlers and undermined the belief in his captaincy by berating his 12th man for not getting him a drink ASAP (I'm Dhoni, You MUST WATCH ME BAT!). But it is Ashwin you blame for the loss? a bowler who can bat? not your all mighty finisher Dhoni? who tried to smash his way to glory? (or maybe a nudged MoM). I'll admit it was a toss up between England and India UNTILL Dhoni smashed his way out of the game. Credit where credits due (Englands Death bowling) and blame where blame is due (India's batters not using their starts). Looks like a good series ahead. My Prediction 3-2 to England.

  • POSTED BY rosh280 on | January 12, 2013, 16:43 GMT

    It really feels that indian batting order in dismay and under utter collapse. We need to invigorate and recharge indian batting with possible best order. I prefer Murali vijay should open batting with cheteshwar pujara. third man should be rohit sharma 4. yuvraj singh 5. suresh raina 6. dhoni 7. ravindra jadeja 8. b kumar 9. aswin 10. shami/ pankaj singh/ ishwar pandey 11. ishant sharma. We should not continue with non performing players like gambir, v kohli . let t hem perform in ranji and comeback. We should try amitoze, manish pandey, mandeep singh, mayank agarwal, ishank jaggi into the side.

  • POSTED BY balajit on | January 12, 2013, 15:28 GMT

    Fail to understand why Yuvraj was not used while bowling considering how he bowled against England in t-20 matches also he has bowled consistently in world cup matches as well as after coming back into the team.

    The thinking should be anyways with so called bowlers other team will score 300 so play another batsman & use raina , yuvraj & other part timers to complete 10 overs. Sure they would not fare as bad as other bowlers we have like Ishant.

    it is time find bowling fast bowling all rounder to make best use of new ODI rules outside India. If Irfan is back to full fitness & bowling well could be the choice for it.

  • POSTED BY on | January 12, 2013, 15:12 GMT

    Any bowler who can't bowl variations and goes for more than 7 an over in 50 over match, should be looked hard for the next game. Iswhant may be experienced but he hasn't got variation. I think Dhoni has to believe in his youngsters like Shami Ahmed, B Kumar for death overs.

  • POSTED BY on | January 12, 2013, 14:58 GMT

    if dhoni blaming for every think and give excuse every day he lose, and not selecting the team properly, not using the bowlers properly not finish the match properly why he is there as a captain then....if every one do well and win the match why dhoni is great captain then....great captain should set up by example at the moment only one best captain proving his worth it is cook. he is cooking indian bowlers very well. come on dhoni admit your failure and resign and concnetrate on your batting u are a glue less captain but i admit gutsy player. for me raina should take the odi and 20/20 captain he will deliver the job for sure cos at the moment only one team man player who is not selfish and who is automatic choice for both form. odi and 20/20

  • POSTED BY spinkingKK on | January 12, 2013, 13:32 GMT

    Dhoni played brilliantly in this match. India lost the match because the number 7 wasn't good enough. Could have still won it if Ahswin seriously believed that they can win the match. With the bowling, I don't know why Dinda? I haven't seen him bowling. However, whenever I look at the scorecards, I can see this guy going over 6/over and taking a maximum of 1 wicket. Not good enough.

  • POSTED BY SoverBerry2 on | January 12, 2013, 12:49 GMT

    No luck for Irfan Pathan! This was a chance to get back to both ODI and Test teams... Good Idea is to leave Delhi Daredevils and join Chennai Superkings...

  • POSTED BY on | January 12, 2013, 12:39 GMT

    get new fast bowlers and spinners in the team...1.Shikhar dhawan 2.Rahane 3.Kohli 4.Yuvraj/pujara 5.Raina 6.dhoni 7.Ashwin/New spinner 8.Irfan 9.Umesh 10.Kumar 11.Aaron

  • POSTED BY baskar_guha on | January 12, 2013, 12:09 GMT

    Pujara is in great form and he can be the #3 that India badly needs given Kohli's dive in form. India need someone to build the innings now that Gambhir is into full-time fishing and India will be a few for 1 more often than not.

    Who should Pujara replace? I would give Ishant a break based on his poor performance and Wasim Akram's not too veiled critique of Ishant's desire (Akram is KKR's bowling coach, the team Ishant plays for in IPL). One less bowler but to call Ishant a specialist bowler in the last ODI would be far too generous.

  • POSTED BY crick_wizard on | January 12, 2013, 11:41 GMT

    The problem with dhoni is since he is a good finisher..he assumes the rest of the lower order will also play like him and leave things too late..dhoni should not assume that he can finish all games himself and pace his innings such that the team have a chance even if he gets out..

  • POSTED BY rashivkd on | January 12, 2013, 11:10 GMT

    Overconfidence shown by Dhoni let match down. When Yuvi and Raina batting, they believes Dhoni to follow and he can finished off if RRR is near 10 for last 10 overs. Dhoni is capable of doing if he batted full overs. But y'day its not happened. So when yuvi reaches fifty and two overs from Tredwell didn't given anything, they should have been taken batting power play instead of waiting last pair to take it. When India taken power play, India's last pair is batting and so they can't take any risk with 15 overs to go. So these tactics is let India down.

  • POSTED BY vpavankumar2000 on | January 12, 2013, 10:39 GMT

    Dhoni has to take a brave decision and drop Kohli for he is not in form and bring in Pujara instead. Spot in TEAM INDIA should be based on performance and not a compulsory for any player. Also, Jadeja is not serving at all as a batting all rounder. Instead bring in Shami Ahmed and build future India's bowling. At least he can take wickets in the early overs so as to build pressure on opposition.

  • POSTED BY VillageBlacksmith on | January 12, 2013, 9:46 GMT

    And if BCCI had DRS Bell would have been given LBW early and India prob would have won... That's another excuse MSD can start using... Time the ICC grew some cohones and told BCCI to get in line with the grown ups or drop down to Associate level...

  • POSTED BY CricketingStargazer on | January 12, 2013, 9:38 GMT

    @Harshad As the England spinners have outbowled their Indian counterparts in both Tests and ODIs, don't you think that this rule actually favours India, who have been more dependent on their seamers to take wickets? :-) Another interpretation is that the rule is designed to favour batsmen brought up on T20 cricket who aim to hit straight over the in-field... who plays more T20 than anyone else, I wonder?

  • POSTED BY CricketingStargazer on | January 12, 2013, 9:32 GMT

    @ashy2010 I'm afraid that the words of Dhoni *do* sound arrogant and patronising, which is where some of the displeasure is coming from. It reads as not respecting the opposition. MS seems truly to believe that his team is as good as it was last time England toured and that England are as poor and does not consider that maybe, just maybe, England are worthy opponents for his side. At no point were India getting ahead in the game: they were always trying to reach parity. Both sides have significant weaknesses in this series, but I just get the impression that India's are probably going to be harder to fix in the remaining matches.

  • POSTED BY thisgameislife on | January 12, 2013, 8:56 GMT

    @desiboi - are you suggesting we should try to finish the match in the 1st over then? splendid suggestion. @natraja - you are spot on. it is time for selectors to be 'besharma' and kick both of them out. i think jadeja at 7 is a waste of talent. the guy is a grafter and accumulator of runs not a slog hitter. he bats for days to get 2 triples and gets rewarded with a place in the shortest formats of the game. ???

  • POSTED BY krish0922 on | January 12, 2013, 7:38 GMT

    Just an thought, if team india really wanna play Jadeja, why dont they play him after Yuvraj. As his inability hitting big shots in ODI has been exposed and India want him to use as 5 bowler, he can serve better by playing on 5th postion, acc to situation of match, particularly in high score run chase.

  • POSTED BY on | January 12, 2013, 7:30 GMT

    What poor Jadeja done in this defeat ? He bowled very well , saved more than 25 runs in the field but he was not able to hit sixes in that position Let the team management promote him any of the matches if he fails then you can tag him useless.I feel shami should be in the eleven ahead of Dinda

  • POSTED BY on | January 12, 2013, 7:07 GMT

    Yes, Jadeja is ineffective @ No.7..that even kids know.. But why Dhoni didnt know that?? Why can Jadeja be sent at No.4 with more flamboyant Yuvraj, Dhoni and Raina follows him? Dhoni is hesitant to experiment on batting position always.

  • POSTED BY jitesh_arya on | January 12, 2013, 6:53 GMT

    Hey, what happened to Dhoni's MoM contract? Did it expire?

  • POSTED BY Billydekid on | January 12, 2013, 6:43 GMT

    I dont want to tell lies...so the truth is that Mr MSD has to go as captain. He has messed it up. The fact is that this is not the first time that there is a clash between to egos in the team, but the fact is why should I the fan suffer.

    So tell me ..who was the last India captain to lose 0-7 aboroad and still continue as skipper?

    Who was the last Indian skipper to lose a series at home and still continue?

    Who was the last Inddian skipper to lose an ODI series then a triangular series then in the Asia cup then to Pakistan...and still continue?

    Boss..The answer is MSD...

    The worst part is he might still win a few matches and then the whole country will call him the Best ...!

  • POSTED BY on | January 12, 2013, 6:37 GMT

    Once again Dhoni's poorand adamant strategy and team selection is the reason for the India's downfall. Paying Jadeja is the real blunder who is nor a batsman nor a best bowler nor a all rounder and unfit to be in the squad. Ganguly's strategy of 7 batsmen and 4 bowlers concept will fetch a sweet results. Kick out Jadeja and bring Pujara in and replace Dinda to Shami Ahmed. We have part time bowlers of Yuvi, Raina and Kohli to fulfill the 5th bowler quota. Really dont know what has been achieved of 5 bowlers concept still they had given away 325 runs.

  • POSTED BY sachin_vvsfan on | January 12, 2013, 6:34 GMT

    @Babar Abbas Malik Zaheer khan is not vegetarian and we all know his strength (aka fitness). Its not only meat but the training and discipline that also matters (ask chaminda vaas)

  • POSTED BY CHARLA on | January 12, 2013, 5:59 GMT

    the bowling card will show ashwin,dinda and sharma are the main culprits.dhoni continues with his madras partner in spite of his very consistent poor bowling,no good batting and hopeless fielding.when sharma was leaking runs by the dozens,he was persevered with-even for the final over,although bhuvaneshwar did not finish his quota.selecting dinda! well,many people already talked about this.it is time dhoni has been told to be more fair in selection of team.he has tried his best to ruin rahane and has now set his eyes on pujara and bhuvaneshwar kumar.will the bcci take note and read the riot act to dhoni or get rid of the likes of rohit,ashwin etc themselves?

  • POSTED BY on | January 12, 2013, 5:22 GMT

    When will Dhoni start accepting the failure on his shoulders? Dhoni was the main culprit we lost this ODI, neither the bowlers nor the front line batsmen. Dhoni utterly wasted powerplay overs and played at the strike rate of under 40. India needed to score only at 7.25 an over during the powerplay, which jumped to 9+ in just 4-5 overs. It's time India needs a better captain........

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | January 12, 2013, 5:07 GMT

    It must be a major concern for India that England's top 6 batsmen seem to be getting into form together. In the English Summer of 2012 Australia, in 4 matches, didn't get to bowl a single ball at England's #7. Against Pakistan earlier in 2012 England lost 7 wickets, 4 wickets, 1 wicket and 6 wickets in 4 games, in all of which Pakistan was bowled out. Those two series both ended in 4-0 England whitewashes of the opposition.

    India feels, probably rightly, that its best chance is to outhit England on flat wickets. However, that didn't work today and if England's batsmen continue in the same form it's going to be hard work for India. England's seam bowlers will bowl better than they did today (I thought they were all pretty poor) and if Tredwell bowls as well as he did today, he'll be a handful. However, England needs to pick a second specialist spinner. Root did well, but you can't expect him to contain the Indian batsmen every time.

  • POSTED BY The_bowlers_Holding on | January 12, 2013, 4:23 GMT

    luks on (January 11 2013, 18:29 PM GMT) I was thinking exactly the same thing, in that quarter final the other day there was a bout 2,000 runs scored; these pitches offer nothing for the bowlers and makes for boring cricket and big averages, I watched some of the India v Pakistan series and was idiotically hoping for some similar sporty piches, if they are scared of facing Bres and Dernbach on those sort of pitches had they not seen the Pak quicks? :)

  • POSTED BY Capt.Game on | January 12, 2013, 4:14 GMT

    @FRRR : I think u must stop reading articles if u don't need explanation for losing the match .just see the match report alone or else see match scores only that thing is suitable for u .

  • POSTED BY here2rock on | January 12, 2013, 3:58 GMT

    The problem with the Indian cricket is the same pool of tried and failed players and others not getting a look. Shami Ahmed did so well in the chance he got and yet he is dropped the next game. What encouragement is there for young players like him? The selection policies make no sense at all.

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | January 12, 2013, 3:50 GMT

    @Babar Abbas Malik on (January 11 2013, 22:15 PM GMT), you should sit down and have a chat with Peter Siddle.

  • POSTED BY puneetla on | January 12, 2013, 2:55 GMT

    I dont get Dhonis tactics for the last 3 overs. He has 2 overs of Dinda left, yet he gets B. Kumar (2) and Ishaant (1) to bowl them. This is despite the fact that he himself says Dinda bowls good yorkers, and it was clear that he was bowling the best at death in this match. Its baffling!

  • POSTED BY KiwiRocker- on | January 12, 2013, 2:44 GMT

    Babar Abbas: You have a 'solit point'. Diet is a key factor and hence India who seems to be relying on Muslim fast bowlers should also focus on developing cricket in Indian Punjab as there is a good chance to find fast men there.I can not understand is that what is this hype about Irfan Pathan? The man has been around for almost a deace and has failed to either find a place in Indian team or gain fitness.It is deperation of Indian fans and so called pundits of games to be relying on tried, and failed players. Irfan is a gentle medium pacer who as we all saw in recent T20 world cup is not the bowler what he used to be. His batting has never developed to anything special. He is a handy cricketer who will do well on certain days, but he will struggle on most days. I personally think R.Jadjea is very unfairly criticized as he has done far better than likes of Pathan. When was last time Irfan Pathan bowled a match winning spell?Dhoni was given MOM in Delhi but real MOM was Ajmal or Jadeja!

  • POSTED BY here2rock on | January 12, 2013, 2:43 GMT

    India's biggest problem is the same old problem "the selectors". They continue to have faith in players who have not performed over a very long time, Gambhir, Raina, Ishant Sharma and Jadeja. They pick players in the squad but they do not actually end up playing in the final XI, good players like Pujara and Shami Ahmed are just warming up the benches. It is beyond my understanding as to why Ishant Sharma has been persisted for so long? He has been a complete failure over such a long time. He lacks the skills and thinking process in the pressure cooker situations. His bowling action at the crease is so ungainly just like Dinda.

  • POSTED BY vrn59 on | January 12, 2013, 2:37 GMT

    Jadeja is useless in ODI cricket! Rohit Sharma should play (at No.5 with Dhoni at 6 and Raina at 7). Although Rohit has failed several times, I still feel he has a lot of potential. Unfortunately for India, both Kohli and Ashwin are out of form... but they've earned their places in the side. Gambhir can stay after his 50. Dinda must be replaced by Shami Ahmed. Ishant must go too... can't think of a replacement though :P. MY XI for the next match: Gambhir, Rahane, Kohli, Yuvraj, Rohit, Dhoni (C & wk), Raina, Jadeja, Ashwin, B Kumar, Shami Ahmed. If I was the selector/coach/captain, this would be my team: Sehwag, Pujara, Kohli, Yuvraj, Rohit/Raina, Dhoni (C & wk), Irfan Pathan, Harbhajan Singh, Praveen Kumar, Zaheer, Shami Ahmed. England, on the other hand, are doing great: Cook, Bell, Pietersen, Morgan, Kieswetter and Patel all batted well, Root is a good option, Tredwell was brilliant and the pacers will surely find better form soon. Scary for India!

  • POSTED BY PrinceOfSalem on | January 12, 2013, 2:27 GMT

    @ Babar Abbas Malik. I'm sorry mate. But you are wrong that eating Meat is the only way to bowl fast. No offence, I'm a non-vegetarian and used to play school and university cricket. In our team the fastest was a pure Vegetarian (As in not even egg). He was mighty quick. Even "Siddle", Australia's premier fast bowler is also a vegetarian. Please don't use food as a excuse for India not bowling fast bowlers. It's attitude and hardwork and toil in the middle that will give you strength. We should accept the fact that we are not good in fast bowling. Please again no offence. just correcting.

  • POSTED BY cricketforpeace on | January 12, 2013, 2:24 GMT

    The problems with India is not the bowling but its batting! May sound strange but I feel that this is the case. India's bowling has never been its strength; we have never had any great fast bowlers if Kapil Dev is included. The one other bowler that would come close to him is Zaheer. In case of the batting scene; our consistent failure at the top is the reason for our undoing. Our openers cannot just get their act together. The other reason for our failure is the no. 3 spot. Whenever Kohli has clicked, we have been able to put up a great score. Failure of the openers to get their act together along with failure of the no. 3 spot is responsible for India's consistent failure - either batting first or chasing a total. My humble opinion.

  • POSTED BY AH_USA on | January 12, 2013, 2:06 GMT

    @VickGower: I am a Pakistani and I agree with your last comment. In order for India to produce quality pace bowlers, the mentality behind creating tacks will have to change. You can absolutely not produce fast bowlers if you prepare dead tracks because it is not only demoralizing to bowlers, it also impedes their growth at the early stage. Take an example of Irfan Pathan; didn't he bowl very well when he toured Pakistan? and the reason was because those tracks were lively. Lively tracks will equally help bowlers and batsmen. Batsmen will learn how to play on tracks where ball does not come straight on the bat. BCCI will really do a favor to the Indian cricket by changing its thinking on preparing wickets.

  • POSTED BY jimbond on | January 12, 2013, 1:59 GMT

    Lets not read too much into a 9 run defeat- in a match which could have gone either way. Dhoni felt confident and in these conditions he delivers on most days, this was not one of those days- you dont win everytime. Not playing Pujara was a blunder- he could have been accommodated at the cost of an out of form Gambhir or Kohli. Also, I understand Yuvraj the bowler being ineffective against Pakistan, but why wasn't he bowling more against England, where Jadeja and Raina were doing ok? Irfan Pathan always provides a great balance to the team. But right now he is injured, there always has to be a plan B. Ishant Sharma does not fit in any international team given the way he is bowling; Dinda is also not a long term solution. B Kumar is too slow to be bowling the final overs on these flat tracks- his overs need to be finished before the end. No harm in trying out new guys like Ishwar Pandey, Rishi Dhawan- at least till Yadav returns.

  • POSTED BY on | January 12, 2013, 1:37 GMT

    @ Babar Abbas Malik - Ever heard of Science? First go check out the nutritional values of stuff we eat and then talk. Looks like eating meat does not help in logical thinking (at least not in your case). Also, ever heard of Scott Jurek- an ultra marathoner; and Mike Mahler - a body builder who are vegan (no meat, no poultry and no dairy). So, its not down to food.

    In India the fast bowling is down to 1) Pitches and 2) Renumeration of bowlers vs batsmen.

  • POSTED BY AvidCricFan on | January 12, 2013, 1:37 GMT

    There are many issues with the team. Rahane and Gambhir have tendency to throw away wickets with rash shots after good starts. Kohli needs real soul searching. He tends to go for off-drive little away from body. This is his main undoing. He needs to correct that. Ishant after so much experience has not developed right options to contain runs on easy pitch. Yuvraj and Raina scored a little in this match. They will be persisted to fail in little testing conditions, specially Yuvi. India needs real rotating policy among batsmen to give chance to fresh talent.

  • POSTED BY AvidCricFan on | January 12, 2013, 0:58 GMT

    When you have unimaginative selection and an equally unimaginative captain/coach picking the final eleven, this is the result we get. You can't produce different result using the same failed formula. This team is on the way to 1-4 or 0-5 drubbing. The overhaul must begin with BCCI top management and the selection committee. Only than the results will be different.

  • POSTED BY Yarms on | January 12, 2013, 0:33 GMT

    Well said Ashy2010 ! Absolutely correct. To chase down 326 would have been the 10 highest run chase to win of all time. This was the 3,318 ODI being played . To fall 8 runs short was a great effort. I agree with Sid. The right balance would be to have Irfan back at 7. The quicks can be rotated based on form. This would give us balance and depth and the ability to build for 2015.

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 12, 2013, 0:18 GMT

    No, you don't sound arrogant Mr. Dhoni. The only problem was neither you not Raina had the patience to stay there & finish the job. Until the last 2 overs India had a chance to win but did not finish it. India needed one batsman to stay at one end till finish & then go big. Pujara was the guy Dhoni dropped, who would have done exactly that. This squad as a whole is very ordinary. The 4 seamers in the squad are not experienced except for Ishant & he has always been expensive. Yadev, Aaron & Irfan pathan are all on injury list. But Sreesanth was available as was P.Kumar.Why were these 2 experienced guys not considered? Even Agarkar at 35 is better than the 4 seamers in the squad.Even in spinners, S.Nadeem is the best spinner in India but never considered.So the Selectors did a lousy job.To add salt to injury, Dhoni did commit a even bigger blunser by dropping Pujara- one bright light amongst the Indian batting.He could have been easily accomodated by juggling players but MSD never Tried!

  • POSTED BY on | January 12, 2013, 0:01 GMT

    The obsessive amount of ODI cricket India plays, you can't expect them to win day in out and out. It's the greatness of Indian cricketers who keep performing like machines without complaining. It's not just the physical fitness but think of the stress of staying away from their families. (Australia and England can't even handle half of the amount of cricket that Indian cricketers endure.)

    Having said that, Indians have to do something about their obsession of Ravindra Jadeja. I hope Dinesh Karthick doesn't get recalled.

    @Mahmud: Irfan Pathan is injured.

  • POSTED BY shahzaibq on | January 11, 2013, 23:34 GMT

    Ahhh the 7 Batsmen theory! How often has the 7th batsman won you matches? And if you have Jadeja and Ashwin coming in at 7 & 8, does that not compensate for a specialist batsman? They are both more than capable with the bat. Team India lost today because none of the batsmen who got a start carried on. A good batting performance nevertheless. If only the score were 280-odd...

  • POSTED BY IAS2009 on | January 11, 2013, 23:29 GMT

    India win formula on flat tracks in indian condition is play 11 batsman (if possible) four of them who bowl a bit. it worked in WC. out of them who can bowl later called all rounders are u kidding me. all rounder is like everyone in the team. there are so many posts regarding combination of ODI team, they don't matter as Dhoni and borad have decided the formula already, this is why there is dimal overseas record. when you top order batsman say we will see you at home after loosing 4-0 and 4-0 at Eng and Aus, there is fundamental problem in approach of game.

  • POSTED BY Desiboi80 on | January 11, 2013, 23:04 GMT

    I think Dhoni is to blame for today's lost. His batting stats might not show it but when he came in the RRR was around 8 and then he let it go up all the way to almost 10.50 and that put pressure on Raina and Jadeja as Dhoni scored only 5 runs in his first 14 balls. Dhoni is what Dravid used to be for us for a long time. They would waste so many balls early on to that would make the RRR climb up, and then they would start scoring runs quickly and in the end their strike rate would like fine in stats, but the pressure it puts on the other batsmen and how we end up so many games like this one, there are no stats for that. I have seen Dhoni doing this time and again. Remember that CB series in Aus, where Gambhir said he would have not waited till the last over? What happened in the next game? We lost the game trying to win in the last over again. That was all Dhoni in both those games. In one game it worked but in many more games his theory of staying till the end & not scoring does not.

  • POSTED BY Natraja on | January 11, 2013, 23:04 GMT

    Poor Dhoni is stuck between Ishant Sharma and Rohit Sharma. One fails him in bowling department and other in batting department. Poor guy cant get rid of them due to selectors always selecting them for God know what.

  • POSTED BY Alexk400 on | January 11, 2013, 22:58 GMT

    I heard dravid arguing Dhoni should get MOM just for captaincy skills alone leave aside smooth talking. :). I am not sure when Irfan pathan scored 50 runs to call him a All rounder?. He never even hit any sixer when india need him. If there is two choice between jadeja and irfan i take jadeja any day. I am no fan of jadeja but irfan pathan leaks runs at truck loads. He is another utter useless bowler calling himself all rounder. India always scored 300+ runs when sehwag in the team. Very rarely india score more than 300 without sehwag. Without sehwag opposition bowler can limit damage by controlling indian batsman. Dhoni will even blame the sand he walks on for failure. Always someone or something other than him. Self belief is fine but when captain makes stupid mistakes and have scapegoat for every loss , people need to stop and say enough is enough with this loser. He was winner pre worldcup. After that his ego grown too much and his decision making affected badly. He has to go.

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 22:15 GMT

    The only reason India is not able to find real quick bowler from population of 1 billion is simple and straight forward In order to bowl consistently fast ur body needs strength and strength comes from nutrition and all indian quickies are vegetarian .....Real strength comes from meat ...which they dont take.... Give them MEAT to eat :D

  • POSTED BY FRRR on | January 11, 2013, 22:11 GMT

    "I don't want to sound arrogant, but it seemed easy when (Suresh) Raina and I were in the middle, with five fielders in the circle," MS Dhoni .... Really!!! Then why didn't u win. Dhoni always has reasons for india's loss... weather was not right, pitch was not right, bowlers r not good, i dont have 5 bowlers, openers are not working. Every team has problem, but their captains dont come and yawn like dhoni.

    By the way: Dhoni should get MoM for this comment to boost his morale.

  • POSTED BY IndCricFan2013 on | January 11, 2013, 22:03 GMT

    Siddarth, Tell me one Indian player who was successful No.7 with both bat and ball. When 7th batsman is picked there is always a question why 7th if 6 can not do. As long as Jadeja is effective with the bowling and getting 10 overs, he can stay at No.7. When he is not performing with both bat and ball then we can talk, also do not forget he is a one of the best fielders. The problem is still with Indian Top 3 or Top 4. They need to score at least 220 in 40 overs at the rate of 5.5 and leave the last 100 to rest at the rate of 10 an over with wickets. Top 3 scored 114 compare to England top 3 at 204. Even with top 4 India 175 at 5.62 compare to England 245 at 5.62 runs. So if the Indian top 4 stayed on at the same rate to get 220 ( not even 245 like England), then Dhoni, Raina and Jadeja would have done what is required. If the top 4 can not play long innings then why are they in top 4. If we expect Dhoni and raina to score 100 to win, then they should be in top 4. Blame Jadeja always!

  • POSTED BY ProblemSolver on | January 11, 2013, 21:48 GMT

    I think Dhoni is playing by the rule to give each player lot of matches before dropping and not getting the man in form to do the job. Pujara is in form, get him.Form is temporary, class is permanent. We need form an not class to win a match. A person who has good class, can come back to form again and again and get included, till them lets not take him.

  • POSTED BY InsideHedge on | January 11, 2013, 21:48 GMT

    Nothing can be gained by playing Ishant, there's a slightly better case for Dinda altho he looks truly ordinary. If Ishant bowls well in a couple of games, we'll be stuck with him for another 2+ yrs. This cycle is repeated with other repeat failures, they play well in the odd game and receive a guaranteed place in the team. Only the Indian fans have to put up with this madness.

    Dhoni claims we don't know enough about Shami Ahmed. Well, that's why you would pick him, wouldn't you? Ishant has played almost 50 Tests, considerable ODIs and several seasons of IPL, the man degrades instead of improving. I've written many times that his armoury consists of just ONE delivery. Whether he's bowling with the new ball, bowling at the death, bowling the middle overs, the power plays, whether he's playing Tests, ODIs, whether he's bowling to a RH batsman, leftie, a hard hitter, a blocker, he will deliver the SAME delivery: short of a length, outside off. Utterly predictable.

  • POSTED BY ashy2010 on | January 11, 2013, 21:45 GMT

    C'mon guys lets give it a break. This is a game and one has to win and the other has to lose.. Its unfair to expect our team to win always.. Moreover it was a 300+ socre and we did well to come close to it.. we were just 8 behind in a chase or close to 7 an over rate. Lets also leave the poor Jadeja guy alone.The guy bowled beautifully on a flat track to restrict from one end. Coming to his batting poor guy comes in at No.7 with the team needing 10 an over and all batsman back in the pavilion.tries to heave one and gets bowled. What else do you expect from him. If we need to test him then push him up the order once and see what he does. On Ishant Sharma lets rewind and see he was one of the best bowlers in the recently concluded India-Pak series.. The wickets were good and he shined. On a flat deck all of them were bad even Finn and dernbach went for runs. Give this team another 3 to 6 months to stabilise.Dhoni is clear i building a team for 2015 and let him do it.

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 20:56 GMT

    @harshad...if thats the case then we should break legs of all foreign teams coming to india and call their legitimate balls "no ball or dead ball"...my dear one has to deal with clever bowlers and batsmen...you cannot always frame rules according to indian player's strengths or cannot always threat icc to make rules which favour indian cricketers...plz start playing good cricket ... dont always hide behind weak excuses

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 11, 2013, 20:53 GMT

    The greatest blunder Dhoni made was cutting out Pujara from XI. That itself was Game, Set & Match. If I were Dhoni, I would have picked the best from this very poor Squad a XI comprising: Gambhir, Rahane,Pujara, Kohli, Yuvraj, Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja, Ashwin, B.Kumar & Shami Ahmad. Jadeja, Shami & Kumar were instrumental in winning the 3rd ODI vs. Pakistan. Why did Dhoni drop Shami. England is weak against left hand spinners. Yet Yuvi did not bowl a single ball- , he is in as an all rounder! Ashwin along with Raina + Yuvi would have been the 5 bowlers. This way both Pujara & Shami would have played. Ruke #1: You do not drop a player in top form, Mr. Dhoni. It will come to bite you. Pujara knows his home turf like the back of his hand. He would have carried his bat with 200 on this batting paradise wkt. to top his triple century 2 days back. Hence the biggest problem with Indian team is its Captain Dhoni, with bizzare selection of XI.This England team is weak in both bowling & batting.

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 20:48 GMT

    bring Irfan back............................

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 20:45 GMT

    Remember! India won the World cup 2011 on that time the had a fine coach like Gary Kerstin since then India's wining graph is going down while he is now coach for SA and his team is wining, sample is that.

  • POSTED BY lokphy on | January 11, 2013, 20:35 GMT

    In 11 Indian players, there are at-least three unnecessary players: Jadeja, Ishant,, Aswhin It is also not good idea to keep same kind of players together (Yuvraj and Raina - both can bowl and bat like same). Why spoil Kohli by giving bowling. Any international batsman will be happy to see him bowling to him. It will also affect his confidence and batting (as we are seeing).

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 20:29 GMT

    How can you use the IPL a sa a standard for anything? Just because Jadeja can muscle a few sixes against IPL teams does not mean he can against CONSISTENT international standard bowlers. With all respect, IPL bowlers are most not international level all the time.

    No matter what, Pujara really needs a play. He has already shown his class against England...

  • POSTED BY cking on | January 11, 2013, 20:19 GMT

    Let's try this one more time; BCCI has to take a stand on promoting cricket not business (IPL) BCCI needs to ask themselves if Pak can produce quality fast bowlers on same dead pitches like Indian why can't we do the same Dhoni has to go and this is bullshit that we don't have any replacement. No team except Australia grooms captain everyone make their best choice and show trust in a young player and move forward. India did same when they made Dhoni captain he had no experience either. BCCI should be run by ex-players not by politicians who don't even know ABC of cricket Selectors need to show some more faith in young players and make selection for complete tour not 3 games. My prediction 3-2 in favour of England and I hope this happens so BCCI can sack Dhoni (wishful thinking on my behalf)

  • POSTED BY SillySquareLeg on | January 11, 2013, 20:13 GMT

    Harshad: If all these new rules are supposed to disadvantage spinners then how come an inexperienced English spinner did far better than all England's pacers and all Indian bowlers?

  • POSTED BY itsthewayuplay on | January 11, 2013, 20:12 GMT

    Here's the thing - we're playing with Gambhir, Yuvraj and Ishant and combined have played quite a few tests and ODIs so they're not inexperienced and we're still losing. The former two are not putting a price on their wicket and the latter is still struggling with the basics of line and length, essential on a featherbed track. Kohli deserved his ICC ODI Cricketer of the year. But his performances since August last have been average and if India persists with his selection in this kind of form, we are in danger of creating the next generation of not Indian international players but Undroppables. Ashwin's bowling is a real concern, now being outspun by Treadwell who after only 10 matches already has a better SR. Better to let the above players go back to domestic games and sort out whatever issues they have and bring in new players. If we lose the odd game or the entire series and we will, better to do so with new players who will hoepfully be better for the experience.

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 19:53 GMT

    The indian bowling lacks complete variety...and getting hammered on and on..,the batsmen are playing with careless attitude.. drop gambhir,raina,yuvraj,r.sharma,dinda,i.sharma from odi's..... and bring new generation players who are hungry to score runs.. and serve the nation..,there is lot of ground talent in our domestic cricket... players like mukund,tiwary,rayudu,dhawan,,k.jadhav,unmukht who are lot hunger and commited than our current indian glamour boys... bring them.. blood into team..

  • POSTED BY ccrriicc on | January 11, 2013, 19:36 GMT

    There is nothing wrong in lossing by nine runs. But (1).We seem to be impervious to thinking logically - the only bowler who even came close to causing any damage on this flat pitch (BCCIFLAT, dead) was Bhunehwar Kumar - and we had Ashwin in the slips - how come he gets to field in slips - he is yet to take a catch in slips - he needs to be hidden behind the helmet, which will cost much lesser.(2). Between Ishant and Dinda - Dinda was doing well, why then ask Ishant to bowl at the death? (3). When did Mr Kholi become a viable bowling option? Raina was bowling well, why not give him more overs? Is Kholi a better option than Yuvraj? (4). Dhoni's captaincy was patchy at best- not pick Pujara? Where is the logic? From the time of possible impending Kholi captaincy - Dhoni has handed the ball to Kholi more often than he bowls in domestic cricket! Not that Kohli is ready for captaincy - as much as he is ready for bowling on a flat pitch in Rajkoa

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 19:27 GMT

    This is what happens when India ruled the Cricketing world till 2011 and the now the new rules are meant to not favour India, since India has more spinners then fast bowlers- They have to make Additions to the the new Rules : "If bowler continously bowls 2 consecutive deliveries outside the off stump line, which is a negative Tactics adopted by England and Australia, bowling yorkers outside off stump line, the umpire can call a 'NO Ball' ", just to make sure that the Teams do not adopt negative Tactics. Most of the new Rules for ODIs are to favour teams with Plenty of Fast Bowlers and not for Teams like India who thrive on Spin. You had better take note of this Technicality BCCI and ICC , to be fair to all teams concerned.

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 19:25 GMT

    It is expected result due MSD's blunders. With the back up of Srinivasan MSD becomes so arrogant in his decisions. He is calling Ashwin is our leading spinner and he doesn't know how to bowl flat tracks. Rahul Sharma far better bowler than Ashwin and he got only limited opportunities. MSD clearly try to give more chances to the CSK and if some on not involved means after some time you will find six or seven CSK batsman in the playing XI. Jaddu always let us down the team either in bowling or batting. He is not the player who can suit in no 7 position. MSD always talking about fielding if opponent scoring 50 boundaries means it is no point in concentrating more on fielding. If you don't want include a specialist batsman like pujara in the playing XI whom he can include. God only can save indian cricket from the hands of Srinivasan and MSD & co.

  • POSTED BY vinodzz on | January 11, 2013, 19:22 GMT

    pick ISHANT for Kochi ODI, giv him a final chance, remember his IPL 5 wk haul perormance against KOCHI TUSKERS alongside STEYN at COCHIN

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 19:18 GMT

    I think amit mishra is a better bowler than ashwin , ashwin is good but is not picking up wickets . Where as amit mishra can be used as a wicket taking bowler I know he's got an old problom of bowling no balls but it is worth a try.

  • POSTED BY VickGower on | January 11, 2013, 19:00 GMT

    @luks: It's pretty simple, isn't it? As an upcoming (or still playing) cricketer, would you ever want to aspire to be a pace bowler? Or if you are one, would you ever want to waste away on the Ranji circuit playing on death traps like Rajkot, when you can rest your body up, and spend your life playing in the IPL? I wonder if this is the reason why Munaf, RP Singh, Vinay Kumar etc are all "injured". The only reason for any fast bowler to undergo these brutal flat tracks today is to earn a break in IPL. I am not saying it is the fault of these kids. I would probably do the same. IPL is here and a good thing for players around the country. It is up to the administrators to rebalance the incentives.

  • POSTED BY Srini2001 on | January 11, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    The loss is Poor Team selection, and Dhonis over dependence on Ashwin, Ashwin has lost tricks of trade and we should now promote one more spinner like Amit mishra.Secondly Rohit sharma has to be in the team and he can bat well in 3 and 4, giving more depth in batting. Since our bowling is any how weak if strengthen batting then we are in position to chase any score what england can set.The bowling Order has to be changed and probably to confuse batsmen we should open with spinner . BKumar will be of no use in belters like this in Rajkot, atleats for Kochi which will be another belter teh team should be gambhir, rohit, rahane, yuvi, raina,dhoni,amit mishra,shami ahmed,b kumar, dinda, and virat

  • POSTED BY VickGower on | January 11, 2013, 18:49 GMT

    @usernames, i think it is the horses for courses attitude that made Dhoni favor Dinda over Shami. Dhoni wasn't sure about Shami's effectiveness on a dead pitch. He said that. That B. Kumar can bat puts him ahead of Shami. In any case, this match was lost because all of India's investment in its next pace spearhead has come to a devastating naught. Ishant Sharma today just showed again that he is simply not a world class bowler. I mean, Akram has worked to no effect on this kid for 2 yrs with KKR. Akram pretty much said that in the post game show. It's time to kill this experiment. Invest in other bowlers. Any one of Vinay/Irfan/RP Singh/Munaf Patel/Praveen Kumar are better. But they are all "injured" - at the same time - coinciding with Ranji Trophy. Time also for custodians of the game to look at the effect of IPL on our already moribund fast bowling culture. Umesh Yadav & Varun Aaron are injured too.

  • POSTED BY inswing on | January 11, 2013, 18:48 GMT

    I thought Ashwin was worthless only in Tests, but that seems to be the case in ODIs also. He should be restricted to T20s.

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 18:37 GMT

    Indian bowling was spineless throughout the season, and this match has epitomized its ineffectiveness. India's batting might was largely responsible for its victories, and here in this match, while it appeared adequate, never really clicked as a team, that too when it mattered. Time to dump Kohli even if it is just for a couple of matches. As an out of form batsmen, he tends to be more circumspect than it is needed and thus he should go and Pujara should come in. No harm in trying other options as the team is not winning anyway. Shami Ahmed may be tried in place of Ishanth sharma, as Sharma is not certainly an effective ODI player. He never was. Kochi is and will be a batting paradise, and every bowler goes for runs...but still there is no harm in trying new bowlers... It is shocking to notice that Raina who appeared to bowl so economically was taken off and ended up bowling only 5 overs ! Of late, Dhoni is making a lot of blunders...like not including Pujara for the first game !!

  • POSTED BY luks on | January 11, 2013, 18:29 GMT

    Looking at the Rajkot game and the pitch, I am wondering if Jadeja and Pujara's runs in domestic cricket are inflated because of playing for Saurashtra. They must have played most of their games on flat pitches in Rajkot, with lightning quick outfield. I think their averages outside Rajkot should be reviewed. If it is good outside Rajkot then its ok.

  • POSTED BY usernames on | January 11, 2013, 18:20 GMT

    I think one of the key reasons India is failing, apart from the batting being fragile, of course, is the fact that their spinners are unable to take wickets. Ashwin in trying too many things has turned really ineffective, and Jadeja does his job well but he can't be an attacking, wicket-taking option. The other reason, I think, is that we fail to choose horses for courses -- in today's match, for example, a Shami could have been a better bet than a Bhuvneshwar who relies more on exemplary swing than anything else. In the same vein, I fail to see why both Yuvraj and Jadeja, who are in the same mould although either has a different strong point, play. In current form, I would play Jadeja ahead of Yuvraj thanks to the new rules. Obvious but while batting, we were in the driver's seat for the most part: if one batsman stuck for another 30 odd runs, we stood a better chance.

  • POSTED BY Batmanindallas on | January 11, 2013, 18:10 GMT

    Sharma should be dropped with Ashwin....

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  • POSTED BY Batmanindallas on | January 11, 2013, 18:10 GMT

    Sharma should be dropped with Ashwin....

  • POSTED BY usernames on | January 11, 2013, 18:20 GMT

    I think one of the key reasons India is failing, apart from the batting being fragile, of course, is the fact that their spinners are unable to take wickets. Ashwin in trying too many things has turned really ineffective, and Jadeja does his job well but he can't be an attacking, wicket-taking option. The other reason, I think, is that we fail to choose horses for courses -- in today's match, for example, a Shami could have been a better bet than a Bhuvneshwar who relies more on exemplary swing than anything else. In the same vein, I fail to see why both Yuvraj and Jadeja, who are in the same mould although either has a different strong point, play. In current form, I would play Jadeja ahead of Yuvraj thanks to the new rules. Obvious but while batting, we were in the driver's seat for the most part: if one batsman stuck for another 30 odd runs, we stood a better chance.

  • POSTED BY luks on | January 11, 2013, 18:29 GMT

    Looking at the Rajkot game and the pitch, I am wondering if Jadeja and Pujara's runs in domestic cricket are inflated because of playing for Saurashtra. They must have played most of their games on flat pitches in Rajkot, with lightning quick outfield. I think their averages outside Rajkot should be reviewed. If it is good outside Rajkot then its ok.

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 18:37 GMT

    Indian bowling was spineless throughout the season, and this match has epitomized its ineffectiveness. India's batting might was largely responsible for its victories, and here in this match, while it appeared adequate, never really clicked as a team, that too when it mattered. Time to dump Kohli even if it is just for a couple of matches. As an out of form batsmen, he tends to be more circumspect than it is needed and thus he should go and Pujara should come in. No harm in trying other options as the team is not winning anyway. Shami Ahmed may be tried in place of Ishanth sharma, as Sharma is not certainly an effective ODI player. He never was. Kochi is and will be a batting paradise, and every bowler goes for runs...but still there is no harm in trying new bowlers... It is shocking to notice that Raina who appeared to bowl so economically was taken off and ended up bowling only 5 overs ! Of late, Dhoni is making a lot of blunders...like not including Pujara for the first game !!

  • POSTED BY inswing on | January 11, 2013, 18:48 GMT

    I thought Ashwin was worthless only in Tests, but that seems to be the case in ODIs also. He should be restricted to T20s.

  • POSTED BY VickGower on | January 11, 2013, 18:49 GMT

    @usernames, i think it is the horses for courses attitude that made Dhoni favor Dinda over Shami. Dhoni wasn't sure about Shami's effectiveness on a dead pitch. He said that. That B. Kumar can bat puts him ahead of Shami. In any case, this match was lost because all of India's investment in its next pace spearhead has come to a devastating naught. Ishant Sharma today just showed again that he is simply not a world class bowler. I mean, Akram has worked to no effect on this kid for 2 yrs with KKR. Akram pretty much said that in the post game show. It's time to kill this experiment. Invest in other bowlers. Any one of Vinay/Irfan/RP Singh/Munaf Patel/Praveen Kumar are better. But they are all "injured" - at the same time - coinciding with Ranji Trophy. Time also for custodians of the game to look at the effect of IPL on our already moribund fast bowling culture. Umesh Yadav & Varun Aaron are injured too.

  • POSTED BY Srini2001 on | January 11, 2013, 18:59 GMT

    The loss is Poor Team selection, and Dhonis over dependence on Ashwin, Ashwin has lost tricks of trade and we should now promote one more spinner like Amit mishra.Secondly Rohit sharma has to be in the team and he can bat well in 3 and 4, giving more depth in batting. Since our bowling is any how weak if strengthen batting then we are in position to chase any score what england can set.The bowling Order has to be changed and probably to confuse batsmen we should open with spinner . BKumar will be of no use in belters like this in Rajkot, atleats for Kochi which will be another belter teh team should be gambhir, rohit, rahane, yuvi, raina,dhoni,amit mishra,shami ahmed,b kumar, dinda, and virat

  • POSTED BY VickGower on | January 11, 2013, 19:00 GMT

    @luks: It's pretty simple, isn't it? As an upcoming (or still playing) cricketer, would you ever want to aspire to be a pace bowler? Or if you are one, would you ever want to waste away on the Ranji circuit playing on death traps like Rajkot, when you can rest your body up, and spend your life playing in the IPL? I wonder if this is the reason why Munaf, RP Singh, Vinay Kumar etc are all "injured". The only reason for any fast bowler to undergo these brutal flat tracks today is to earn a break in IPL. I am not saying it is the fault of these kids. I would probably do the same. IPL is here and a good thing for players around the country. It is up to the administrators to rebalance the incentives.

  • POSTED BY on | January 11, 2013, 19:18 GMT

    I think amit mishra is a better bowler than ashwin , ashwin is good but is not picking up wickets . Where as amit mishra can be used as a wicket taking bowler I know he's got an old problom of bowling no balls but it is worth a try.

  • POSTED BY vinodzz on | January 11, 2013, 19:22 GMT

    pick ISHANT for Kochi ODI, giv him a final chance, remember his IPL 5 wk haul perormance against KOCHI TUSKERS alongside STEYN at COCHIN