India v England, 2nd ODI, Kochi January 14, 2013

Complacency should not be an issue

Alastair Cook is well aware that all England have done so far in the one-day series is win a single match
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It says much for the shifting balance of power that the England captain, Alastair Cook, was even asked about the dangers of complacency ahead of the second one-day of the series against India.

A year ago, as England licked their wounds after a humbling 5-0 ODI whitewash such a question would have been unthinkable. Even now, with one victory in the last six years, it seems laughably premature to raise such a thought. Whatever England's challenges in the coming months, guarding against complacency should not be among them.

As the only major Test-playing nation not to have won a global 50-over event and with a record in Asia that, despite recent improvements, remains grim, England know they have plenty of hard work ahead of them if they are to fulfil their lofty ambitions. They are heading in the right direction, but they have a long journey ahead.

Nor is complacency the way of this England side. Cook did not become the youngest man in history to 7,000 Test runs through any sense of self-satisfaction; Ashley Giles has not just been promoted to an international coaching role to see his unit coast; Ian Bell has not won an ODI recall only to waste it and the likes of Craig Kieswetter, Samit Patel and Tim Bresnan are all under pressure to justify their continuing selection beyond their series. Wherever you look in this England squad, you will find motivation. Just about every one of them has a question to answer.

It is worth remembering how tight the margins between success and failure were in the first ODI, too. England were reliant on Patel thrashing 38 from the final two overs and Joe Root delivering nine relatively frugal overs to deliver a narrow victory. Such exceptional performances cannot be relied upon as the norm.

Root is a talented cricketer with a strong work ethic, but it is asking a great deal of him to make the leap from part-time county bowler - he claimed one wicket in the lower division of the 2012 County Championship - to becoming the man to fill holes in an international attack.

Cook knows all this. He has admitted on several occasions that England have been somewhat flattered by the speed with which they assumed the No. 1 ranking in ODI cricket and he knows that, until that global trophy is secured, his side's improvements - pleasing though there are - will count for little.

"Let's not get too carried away," Cook said ahead of Kochi encounter. "We've played one game in this series. We enjoyed the other night because we won. But it's a game of fine margins. We are going to have to do the same in the remaining games.

"India are a world-class side and statistics show how hard it is to win here, but we're prepared for that. We will have to keep up our skills and our standard of performances if we want to win this game and the series."

One area where England have dominated through most of the Test series and in the first ODI was in spin bowling. While the success of Graeme Swann and Monty Panesar in the Test series might have been grudgingly accepted by the hosts, to see England's stand-in offspinner, James Tredwell, maintain the dominance will have stung.

Tredwell, in many ways the antithesis of the glamorous superstars that abound in Indian cricket, produced the sort of disciplined, skilful display he has so regularly for Kent to claim four top-order wickets and the Man-of-the-Match award. Rarely has substance trounced style so convincingly. As Cook said, "It just proves that that experience you gain in county cricket can bode well in international cricket."

Perhaps India may reflect on that. County cricket provided valuable experience for the likes of Kapil Dev, Rahul Dravid and Sachin Tendulkar. More recently Zaheer Khan owed his international revival, in part, to a spell with Worcestershire. No doubt all would have 'made it' without the county game, but every one of them also credits it for helping their development. The BCCI might do well to take note with regard the new generation of Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Cheteshwar Pujara et al.

India are far from out of this series. England remain too reliant on part-time bowlers for comfort and the hosts will surely attempt to target Root and, perhaps, Tredwell in the rest of the series. But if England's spinners continue to out-perform India's, it may prove tough for the hosts to claw their way back.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY hotcric01 on | January 15, 2013, 6:13 GMT

    England's ODI performances have highly improved under Cook.He seems to be a very good captain and a clever batsman.Their batting is one of most dangerous in the world right now with likes of Cook,KP,Trott,Morgan,Bell,Kieswetter and Patel.But in sub continent their fast bowling is a worry.But there are two major 50 over global events in coming years, champions trophy and 2015 world cup both are in their favorable conditions.Their fast bowling will be boosted by return of Jimmy Anderson. If they are going with a correct plan they are among hot favorites to win both trophies.

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | January 15, 2013, 1:30 GMT

    @lvcric on (January 14 2013, 17:26 PM GMT), there's no doubt that a lot of England's improvement over recent years is due in large part to a raft of changes that the ECB have put in place. They have changed the relationship between the national team and the counties, for one thing. In years gone by, many representative players were still playing regularly for their counties as well, even prioritising them, and had little left in the tank for national duty. Central contracts have changed that and the national side has become all around more professional. England has obviously benefited from some players born in SA too, but there's no doubt that the English system has put a lot into them too. Most were boys when their parents emigrated with no specific thoughts of playing international cricket. KP and Trott are the obvious exceptions and neither of them were even nearly international prospects when they left SA. The team's success will breed interest and more success too.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 15, 2013, 22:16 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay on (January 15 2013, 10:10 AM GMT) Mate "Ye of little faith" for a reason as shown today. Cheers for the comms though

  • POSTED BY itsthewayuplay on | January 15, 2013, 10:10 GMT

    @JG2704 (January 14 2013, 21:32 PM GMT) Oh ye of little faith. I think you're underestimating England and giving India way too much credit. This is a poor poor Indian side that is only for it collectively when they think they've a good chance they're going to win. England are hungrier, more organised, more disciplined and more skilful. Dhoni is the Indian batsman England has to worry about and although I'm a fan of Raina he hasn't proven he has worked out the short ball yet so I'm surprised England so far hasn't tested him consistently with the 2 bouncers per over now allowed. With Cook, Trott and Bell, England are steady if unspectacular at the top of the order with Pieterson followed by Root, Morgan and Patel, England being the impact players, England are favourites.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 15, 2013, 9:34 GMT

    @Shan156 on (January 14 2013, 22:03 PM GMT) As much a case of us rarely scoring that amount of runs in an ODI inns as anything else

    @Nampally on (January 15 2013, 01:51 AM GMT) Indeed. I'm not saying Patel wasn't a big factor but even within Patel's innings the last 4 overs (inc at Kieswetter) went for 59 runs. Sharma went for 33 in 2 overs. Now would you say that those overs were all because of Patel/Craig's brilliance or might that also have had something to do with Sharma's bowling. To me when you have a slow bowler going at 3.6 (1RPO less than any other bowler on either side) and Yuv (who the side have had probs against before) and a team (Craig in particular) who are not so comfortable with spin it seemed strange not to give Raina some more overs or give Yuv a bowl. Also on a flat deck one can also cite Ind batsmen for not getting after a young part time slow bowler a bit more. Also Tredwell going at less than 5 and taking 4 should not be overlooked

  • POSTED BY umbuly on | January 15, 2013, 6:23 GMT

    Indian fans, please don't disturb the team India. Don't whine about Pujara not getting included in the team. The team India is using these matches as preparation for the more important IPL. So, why do you keep complaining about Pujara not getting selected? Is he representing any major IPL franchise? BCCI will select only those players who play for rich IPL franchises who are actually paying BCCI for keeping them in the team even if they score only "0". So stop complaining and enjoy what you can. Again, don't worry about the outcomes of these International matches. IPL is the main thing for us. These are just warm-up to the great IPL, we don't care about nation's pride. Money is what we care about.

    ESPN please post.

  • POSTED BY sweetspot on | January 15, 2013, 4:59 GMT

    Nice to see all the gloating while India is going through a tough phase. India can up their game a couple of notches. Let's hope his happens and England can keep up to make this an interesting series. As always, warm weather fans of India are asking for heads to roll. There were calls for removing Raina too! Whatever happened to bowling short balls to him? What happened to his weakness? Give this bowling unit some time to settle down, and they will do just fine. It's just a game, everyone. How important can it be? Just to make it interesting, I'd like to see how England bounce back after one hammering. Glad Kochi won't have any temperature issues. Nice and warm there!

  • POSTED BY bijuphilip on | January 15, 2013, 2:44 GMT

    There is no solution if you don't sack dohni out from the skipper job,what a negative captain,Gambir a world class player and showed his captaincy skill and 100% victory during his time. Dohni's team selection,field placement is horrible.I have to admire him as a player . Yuvi should open the innings along with rahane,followed by gambir,pujara,kholi,dhoni,raina,Jadeja,Bu.Kumar,shami and irsant for kochi game.

    for next team selection,jadeja,aswin,irsanth,dinda,rohit should be out from the team. insted ambadirayidu,abishek nayar,rahulsharma,sreesanth,muralikarthik should be in the team b.philip

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 15, 2013, 1:51 GMT

    @JG2704: Without Patel's knock @ S/R200, England may not have scored 300, a total attainable by the India on a batting wkt. All England batsmen played well but their S/R was half that of Patel. This is what I meant by Patel's knock. Add to India's woes, Yuvraj & Raina were out to poor strokes after they were well set. I expected them to carry India thru'. India gave too many runs because what Dhoni calls "part time bowlers", are actually better than so called specialist bowlers - 3 Seamers. I felt that Yuvraj & Raina can easily do 5th bowler job to accomodate Pujara at #3.Ashwin, Jadeja, Kumar & Shami can bowl 10 over each.Kohli should NEVER bowl his up & down rubbish.@Shan 156: Kohli has played poorly in last 4 ODI's- main cause for Indian batting failure vs.Pak.This makes it essential to get hot Pujara IN. Kohli's great form in ODI helped India win in the past. Kohli & Pujara @3 & 4 needed by India. This can omly happen if Dhoni uses Raina & Yuvraj to bowl & goes with 2 seamers.

  • POSTED BY Natraja on | January 15, 2013, 1:43 GMT

    Did some one mentioned inclusion of Nohit? That guy is good for nothing. Sorry he is best in the net and makes getting out very elegant. Selectors are nuts if they pick him up. Pujara however should play instead of Gambhir.

  • POSTED BY hotcric01 on | January 15, 2013, 6:13 GMT

    England's ODI performances have highly improved under Cook.He seems to be a very good captain and a clever batsman.Their batting is one of most dangerous in the world right now with likes of Cook,KP,Trott,Morgan,Bell,Kieswetter and Patel.But in sub continent their fast bowling is a worry.But there are two major 50 over global events in coming years, champions trophy and 2015 world cup both are in their favorable conditions.Their fast bowling will be boosted by return of Jimmy Anderson. If they are going with a correct plan they are among hot favorites to win both trophies.

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | January 15, 2013, 1:30 GMT

    @lvcric on (January 14 2013, 17:26 PM GMT), there's no doubt that a lot of England's improvement over recent years is due in large part to a raft of changes that the ECB have put in place. They have changed the relationship between the national team and the counties, for one thing. In years gone by, many representative players were still playing regularly for their counties as well, even prioritising them, and had little left in the tank for national duty. Central contracts have changed that and the national side has become all around more professional. England has obviously benefited from some players born in SA too, but there's no doubt that the English system has put a lot into them too. Most were boys when their parents emigrated with no specific thoughts of playing international cricket. KP and Trott are the obvious exceptions and neither of them were even nearly international prospects when they left SA. The team's success will breed interest and more success too.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 15, 2013, 22:16 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay on (January 15 2013, 10:10 AM GMT) Mate "Ye of little faith" for a reason as shown today. Cheers for the comms though

  • POSTED BY itsthewayuplay on | January 15, 2013, 10:10 GMT

    @JG2704 (January 14 2013, 21:32 PM GMT) Oh ye of little faith. I think you're underestimating England and giving India way too much credit. This is a poor poor Indian side that is only for it collectively when they think they've a good chance they're going to win. England are hungrier, more organised, more disciplined and more skilful. Dhoni is the Indian batsman England has to worry about and although I'm a fan of Raina he hasn't proven he has worked out the short ball yet so I'm surprised England so far hasn't tested him consistently with the 2 bouncers per over now allowed. With Cook, Trott and Bell, England are steady if unspectacular at the top of the order with Pieterson followed by Root, Morgan and Patel, England being the impact players, England are favourites.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 15, 2013, 9:34 GMT

    @Shan156 on (January 14 2013, 22:03 PM GMT) As much a case of us rarely scoring that amount of runs in an ODI inns as anything else

    @Nampally on (January 15 2013, 01:51 AM GMT) Indeed. I'm not saying Patel wasn't a big factor but even within Patel's innings the last 4 overs (inc at Kieswetter) went for 59 runs. Sharma went for 33 in 2 overs. Now would you say that those overs were all because of Patel/Craig's brilliance or might that also have had something to do with Sharma's bowling. To me when you have a slow bowler going at 3.6 (1RPO less than any other bowler on either side) and Yuv (who the side have had probs against before) and a team (Craig in particular) who are not so comfortable with spin it seemed strange not to give Raina some more overs or give Yuv a bowl. Also on a flat deck one can also cite Ind batsmen for not getting after a young part time slow bowler a bit more. Also Tredwell going at less than 5 and taking 4 should not be overlooked

  • POSTED BY umbuly on | January 15, 2013, 6:23 GMT

    Indian fans, please don't disturb the team India. Don't whine about Pujara not getting included in the team. The team India is using these matches as preparation for the more important IPL. So, why do you keep complaining about Pujara not getting selected? Is he representing any major IPL franchise? BCCI will select only those players who play for rich IPL franchises who are actually paying BCCI for keeping them in the team even if they score only "0". So stop complaining and enjoy what you can. Again, don't worry about the outcomes of these International matches. IPL is the main thing for us. These are just warm-up to the great IPL, we don't care about nation's pride. Money is what we care about.

    ESPN please post.

  • POSTED BY sweetspot on | January 15, 2013, 4:59 GMT

    Nice to see all the gloating while India is going through a tough phase. India can up their game a couple of notches. Let's hope his happens and England can keep up to make this an interesting series. As always, warm weather fans of India are asking for heads to roll. There were calls for removing Raina too! Whatever happened to bowling short balls to him? What happened to his weakness? Give this bowling unit some time to settle down, and they will do just fine. It's just a game, everyone. How important can it be? Just to make it interesting, I'd like to see how England bounce back after one hammering. Glad Kochi won't have any temperature issues. Nice and warm there!

  • POSTED BY bijuphilip on | January 15, 2013, 2:44 GMT

    There is no solution if you don't sack dohni out from the skipper job,what a negative captain,Gambir a world class player and showed his captaincy skill and 100% victory during his time. Dohni's team selection,field placement is horrible.I have to admire him as a player . Yuvi should open the innings along with rahane,followed by gambir,pujara,kholi,dhoni,raina,Jadeja,Bu.Kumar,shami and irsant for kochi game.

    for next team selection,jadeja,aswin,irsanth,dinda,rohit should be out from the team. insted ambadirayidu,abishek nayar,rahulsharma,sreesanth,muralikarthik should be in the team b.philip

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 15, 2013, 1:51 GMT

    @JG2704: Without Patel's knock @ S/R200, England may not have scored 300, a total attainable by the India on a batting wkt. All England batsmen played well but their S/R was half that of Patel. This is what I meant by Patel's knock. Add to India's woes, Yuvraj & Raina were out to poor strokes after they were well set. I expected them to carry India thru'. India gave too many runs because what Dhoni calls "part time bowlers", are actually better than so called specialist bowlers - 3 Seamers. I felt that Yuvraj & Raina can easily do 5th bowler job to accomodate Pujara at #3.Ashwin, Jadeja, Kumar & Shami can bowl 10 over each.Kohli should NEVER bowl his up & down rubbish.@Shan 156: Kohli has played poorly in last 4 ODI's- main cause for Indian batting failure vs.Pak.This makes it essential to get hot Pujara IN. Kohli's great form in ODI helped India win in the past. Kohli & Pujara @3 & 4 needed by India. This can omly happen if Dhoni uses Raina & Yuvraj to bowl & goes with 2 seamers.

  • POSTED BY Natraja on | January 15, 2013, 1:43 GMT

    Did some one mentioned inclusion of Nohit? That guy is good for nothing. Sorry he is best in the net and makes getting out very elegant. Selectors are nuts if they pick him up. Pujara however should play instead of Gambhir.

  • POSTED BY RameshRayaprolu on | January 15, 2013, 1:43 GMT

    India waiting for another close shave ;) !! with current performances/form of the great Indian batsmen, I am afraid they might lose most of the games in this series. I hope at least they win in the colder locations (Mohali/Dharmashala).

    For now, I m just looking ahead towards next IPL ;) !! nothing there for Indian team this year....ha ha ha...

  • POSTED BY IAS2009 on | January 14, 2013, 23:43 GMT

    i am not sure why pujara name has been dragged in ODI, personally i think it is better to keep Pujara away from ODI as he is very good test batsman, Laxman was also good test batsman and didn't play many ODIs, with the talent of test batting India have for future i would say save Pujara from evil of ODI (for him). India looses lately is due to poor bowling or absence of bowlers, players India almost chased 325, if not for poor last 2 overs they would have won it with few overs to spare. play with 4 complete bowlers and one genuine bowling allrounder the chances of winning will me more of batting friendly pitches.

  • POSTED BY nyc_missile on | January 14, 2013, 23:38 GMT

    I don't want to dwell on team combo etc because I know Dhoni will play the same XI for all these 3 matches since the squad was announced like that.He just operates like a robot,no respect to results,conditions,opposition etc. All he wants is opportunities to CSK players.. enough of those to get them into form somehow..God forbid if they click after a prolonged rope,he will retain them by shunning the other 'performing' players..such as Tiwary after that 100..This man is an unimaginable danger to Ind cricket because he's cultivated his clique not just in the team but also in the commentary box &among 'experts' so continues unquestioned,unaccounted for.

  • POSTED BY SevereCritic on | January 14, 2013, 23:34 GMT

    Dhoni XI vs England XI. It's amazing how much power Dhoni holds in Indian cricket despite having the worst record in the last 24 months in the history of Indian captains and Indian cricket. MSD reminds me a lot of Ponting's captaincy. Fantastic when he had the super stars firing for him. Shallow and useless as soon as the great players faded away (Hayden, Gilly, Warne, McGrath) and/or retired. Neither are capable of producing new talents. Both left behind massive holes in their respective country's teams that future captains will need to fill. Clarke is doing a commendable job of building his team back and his own retinue of great players. Dhoni's successor will have a steep climb. And the longer they (BCCI) wait before axing him, the bigger hole Indian cricket will have to climb out of.

  • POSTED BY jackiethepen on | January 14, 2013, 23:14 GMT

    I'm amazed by the simplistic analysis that says 38 runs was the difference. No. of wickets made the difference. India were nine wickets down in the last two overs, England were four wickets down. Two strong partnerships preceded the end game. First of all Cook and Bell with their record breaking stand, then KP and Morgan accelerating in the powerplay, and finishers Kieswetter and Patel free to swing the bat with six wickets in hand. You can't expect tailenders and bowlers to compete with the kind of finish supplied by Patel and Kieswetter. At every stage England were more competent with the bat because the wickets in hand was absolutely crucial. The England bowlers were wayward but the steady fall of wickets meant that India were expecting Yuvraj and Dhoni to take too many chances. Our bowling needs to improve. Kochi is supposed to be a bowlers' wicket.

  • POSTED BY nyc_missile on | January 14, 2013, 23:06 GMT

    Eng even if they are complacent,we have MSD who is always willing to play good host by being slack and listless on field.So Eng don't have to worry too much,just have to turn up and win.My heart says Ind will win but mind says mindless Dhoni will give Eng another walk over.Firstly shocking to see in the preview that Ind squad is unlikely to change.Why Jadeja again? beats me really.Rohit or Pujara ought to get in and Ishant must be dropped for Shami.But aint gonna happen if I have a faint idea of MSD's stale tactics.

    Waiting for Dhoni to come up the order today at-least; otherwise the series is as good as gone and we will have to bear the pathetic sight of Dhoni parroting same old excuses from his back pocket because he is so accustomed to defeat in the last 2yrs.

  • POSTED BY Shan156 on | January 14, 2013, 22:18 GMT

    @Nampally, Kohli has 102 runs in his last 7 LOI appearances and that includes the 3 T20s and 4 ODIs against Pakistan and England. If you just take ODIs, he was only a failure in the 3 ODI Pakistan series and in Rajkot. Remember, he was the player of the series against SL in India's last ODI series before the Pakistan series. He had scored 2 centuries in that.

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | January 14, 2013, 22:09 GMT

    England's seam bowlers have to bowl better, the catching has to be better and England can't rely on Root as a fifth bowler- a sixth, maybe, but not a fifth. On the plus side, England showed against Pakistan and Australia that once their batsmen find form they do a pretty decent job.

    We'll see what kind of a wicket is produced at Kochi. India will be hoping for another featherbed. Nullifying the bowlers and outhitting England in a high-scoring game is probably India's best chance, even though it didn't come off in the first game.

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 14, 2013, 22:06 GMT

    @Nutcutlet: I had mentioned in my earlier comments that Dhoni finds Pujara's presence as serious threat to his captaincy- main reason for excluding CP. I also commented upon the dressing down he gave to Pujara- witnessed on TV- it was shameful & cowardly. The team unity was split long back in Australian Tour confirmed by Sehwag's banishment. I admire Captain Cook who united a disjointed team with KP's problem. Dhoni split a united world #1 Test team! I Can't imagine Pujara's dropping by any captain in the World after an average of 87 in 4 Tests Vs. England? Kohli with a total of 102 in last 7 ODI's cannot justify his place when Pujara is dropped. @itsthewayuplay: The 5 bowlers I named are best choice from this poorly selected sqaud - as stop gap. I will have bowlers like Yadev, Sreesanth, Agarkar, Nadeem, Ojha in squad - Guys capable of taking wkts. & attacking.Yes, On Rajkot Wkt. India would have easily chased 325 with Pujara! Dhoni needs to place Team India interests above his Own.

  • POSTED BY Shan156 on | January 14, 2013, 22:03 GMT

    @JG2704, I agree that our bowling is weak but am not sure how you came to the conclusion that our batsmen wont reproduce their performance in Kochi. Remember, Zak and Harbhajan are not in the squad, Praveen, Irfan, and Munaf are injured and India's main first choice bowlers are innocuous. I am more worried about their part-timers - Yuvi, Jadeja, and Raina - actually. Which is why it was surprising that Raina was underbowled and Yuvi wasn't tried at all. Of course, India would have realized by now that it might be hard for our batsmen to score freely against these guys as they can against their pacemen and Ashwin. But, England would also be aware of this and, I think, would up their game. Let's see but I hope we win at least one more in this series. Steven Finn needs to do better than he did in Rajkot and perhaps Meaker for Bresnan and any bowler for Dernbach.

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 14, 2013, 21:32 GMT

    Would love to be proven wrong but I don't see us winning another game in this series. The reason being that I'm not sure we can reproduce such a decent batting performance but I'm afraid at the same time - with the players we have out there and those who we select - our bowlers will continue to fail. As others have said , I don't see Root being treated with so much respect next time out. And in the last game we probably batted to our full potential and still only won by 9 runs. Still we've avoided the whitewash which is something

  • POSTED BY JG2704 on | January 14, 2013, 21:32 GMT

    @Nampally - I'd agree with aspects of your post but re Patel being the reason England won - well I'd agree that his inns was a huge part of it but Cook and Bell set the innings up well , Morgan and KP also did ok and Tredwell and Root bowled well. It could also be argued from an India point of view that your batsmen showed Root too much respect and let him bowl well. I said at the time that - although a part timer - Raina should have bowled more overs. He hadn't (from memory) gone for big runs in any of his overs and I think most of our batsmen would prefer pace to spin. It also seemed baffling that Yuvraj wasn't used considering the trouble he caused our batsmen in one of the T20s. I'd have thought (despite Raina bowling well) Yuv would have been on before him and definitely before Kohli. So even in that game Dhoni did have another 15 overs of part time spin from Yuv and Raina he could have used. Sometimes I think he's a great leader but not always the best decision maker

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | January 14, 2013, 21:07 GMT

    @Nampally

    "England won the last ODI thru' Patel's swash buckling 44"

    lol, You must have been out making a cup of tea when Ian Bell made 85, Cook 75 and Tredwell out-bowled the best spinners in India! And he's our 4th or 5th choice spinner!

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | January 14, 2013, 21:02 GMT

    So funny to see England's 4th rate choice for spinner, Tredwell, proving better than any spinner India have got. So Tredwell out-bowls India, and just remind me - who have the Aussie's got again?

  • POSTED BY JustIPL on | January 14, 2013, 20:22 GMT

    One area england were weak was opening bowling where they allowed indian openers use their pace and score behind the wicket which gave the optimism of losing just by close margin and may be by getting pujara in, India wipe out narrow margin in second ODI.When spin came openers peished not being able to hit down the ground. For idnia raina and jadeja are almost the same just raina a bit better with the bat while the tripple centurion of ranji should be better then raina. India have better chance against english side as english bowling is more easier to score against then Pakistan but english bating is best amongst india, pakistan and england. That is where the difference will lie in the remainder of the series.

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | January 14, 2013, 19:59 GMT

    stacey c correct in so far england need to score 300+ but only if the wickets are similar to the other days. what would suit us, is wickets that the games v pakistan played on, perhaps indian posters can tell us why those were like that. why are the types as suggested in cricinfo pieces, seem to say the wickets will be like in the next 4 games will be good. did india think against pakistan those would suit them better surely note. i believe england have a better batting line up than pakistan and a better bowling attack than india. so cookie win the toss bat score 350+ bowl the indians out for 345 now that would be a good game

  • POSTED BY Trickstar on | January 14, 2013, 19:50 GMT

    @skilebow I agree with you point about getting the likes of Pujara down to Headingley for a season or two, tbh I wouldn't of minded Laxman down here this year either since he's retired from international cricket, would have been great for us in the middle order.

  • POSTED BY Trickstar on | January 14, 2013, 19:45 GMT

    @skilebow Not sure how you can say that ' it was a couple of individual performances that swung it for them' all 6 batsman contributed to the total and obviously Tredwell bowled well, with Root bowling 9 handy overs, even though the seamers went for a few runs, they took some important wickets, so it was very much a team performance that won the game fir us.

    I really hope we see a pitch like those in the Pakistan series a weeks ago, where there was bounce, swing and a bit of pace, not sure we'll see one though because it will play to England's strengths. I'd like England to go in with 2 front line spinners in Briggs & Tredwell and also bring Woakes in for Dernbach. Woakes may go for plenty of runs but so does Dernbach but he'd greatly improve the batting. I also want to see Buttler in the side at some point, the guys a bit of a freak in this format and needs to be given a chance, even as a pure batsman, ateotd the kid averages 58 @ a strike rate of 119.

  • POSTED BY itsthewayuplay on | January 14, 2013, 19:34 GMT

    @Nampally India had a bowling wicket in the Mumbai test but only managed 10 out 20 English wickets. What makes you think India will perform any better with the ball and without Ohja who was India's best bowler in the tests. I'm surprised that you've included Yuvraj and Raina as all-rounders and even more surprised you think they're good all-rounders and yet with 2 'all-rounders' in the team India couldn't chase down 326 on a flat track. Even Dhoni refers to these guys as part-timers. On selection, whilst balance in any XI is important and the amount of ODI India plays you would think that India would be favourites but they're not. Even more worrying when you see how T20 has helped England's batters in ODIs yet IPL hasn't helped India losing one T20 against Pakistan 2 ODIs against Pakistan and winning the 3rd only after a questionable Pakistan collapse. India's cricketing problems lie far deeper than Dhoni's selection.

  • POSTED BY Nutcutlet on | January 14, 2013, 19:31 GMT

    @Nampally: I am watching the Dhoni/Pujara situtation carefully. After seeing the captain publicly berate the drinks waiter (Pujara) in the first match, I sense that the captain has an issue with the rising star in the Indian ranks and, as MSD seems to enjoy autonomy in the selection of the side, I don't expect Pujara to appear above his (lowly) position in the last game! Could it be that MS senses a rival, hmm? I'd imagine that you'd agree with me in thinking that the England XI appears to be a close-knit unit (i.e. a team!), but India is far more challenging to captain because there are a number of undercurrents/personal agendas within the squad going on. Dhoni's irrational XI, I lke that! Criterion for selection: does the captain like me, personally? Ah well, it's probably cultural.. What would I know or understand? Turning to the cricket, I hope it's another close match with the bowlers having their turn to feature on a wicket with more in it for them.

  • POSTED BY itsthewayuplay on | January 14, 2013, 19:13 GMT

    Given that prior to the start of this current series, England had lost their previous 10 ODIs in India, people didn't want to look foolish by saying England had a chance. But following England's perfomances in the tests, they are also certainly firm favourites for this series and I'm not saying this the benefit of the 1st ODI (see my posts http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/story/599795.html?comments=all#usrcomment). This ODIs series like the tests is for England to lose. If England replace Dernbach with a Meaker whose got his radar turned on, he'll find a number of Indian batsmen waiting to give him their wickets.

  • POSTED BY Captain_Fool on | January 14, 2013, 18:36 GMT

    Matches being played in the India including IPL come to the rescue for players like Dhoni as they are not capable of performing away, they are being retained in the squad mainly cos of their heroics in IPL. Dhoni averages 33 away and 43 at home in tests.

  • POSTED BY IAS2009 on | January 14, 2013, 18:14 GMT

    why it is all about india, when a team wins in india by narrow margin it is not appreciated, at the end of the day those little effort plays make difference between win and loss, india lost many close games lately it is hard for a host team to win in India, all odds are against visiting team, it is not fair to say it was patel 38 which win the game for England there are many things they did right to keep the margin better to win the game. Here is the deal if India pick 7-8 batsman in ODI and 3 specialist bowler (by Indian standard) and rely on part timers they will always give away 100+ runs for those 20 overs (bowled by part timers), in last ODI their premium bowlers leaked almost 45 runs in 12 balls (last 2 overs), it is hard to win matches all the time, India need to develop bowlers who can keep things tight with 5 fielders in circle, part timers will always bowl a boundary delivery an over (20 overs in the middle will leak 60-80 runs in boundaries) alone plus relieve pressure.

  • POSTED BY on | January 14, 2013, 17:52 GMT

    Would love to see Meacher get a shot personally. Dernbachs variations are seductive to selectors who now worry that T20 batting is pushing up the 50-over strike rate - we have so few bowlers with a truly deceptive slower ball. But a pitch map would show that both bowling attacks bowled in the wrong areas and failed to build pressure - there are enough overs to choke off runs and be patient if you really want to. England persisted in drifting onto a leg stump line and were tucked away. They have to fix that. India have the better batting lineup. Bell and Cook are knocking it around at SR of 80 and we have a middle order of gear-change batsmen who might up the rate but could just as easily hole out. I can see England needing 300+ scores in all the remaining matches to keep India at bay and if they can't slow their top order scoring rate to a trickle, they absolutely must take Dhoni's wicket every innings or its goodnight.

  • POSTED BY skilebow on | January 14, 2013, 17:26 GMT

    I don't expect much from England in this game as it was a couple of individual performances that swung it for them. I still stick by what i thought before the first ODI that if England lose this series 2-3 it would have been an excellent result. On another note would love to see either Kohli or Pujara follow in Sachin's footsteps to Yorkshire!

  • POSTED BY lvcric on | January 14, 2013, 17:26 GMT

    Its good to see England becoming a competitive side once gain. It augurs well for world cricket. A few years ago,it was hard to rate them as a top side. But, it would be interesting to know what is it that they have done to get to the top. Winning a test series in India is a huge achievement. Wether they are fortunate to have found some good talent in quick succession or the system in place is good that it can produce quality players, only time will tell. Till they have solid players like KP, Cook, Trott, Swann, Anderson and few others, they are a good side and can beat almost any team. Will have to see how they fare when these players retire in few years. I have observed one thing in the many years that I have been reading articles. English writers love praising their players and their system if they see anything good about their cricket and never let any opportunity to go by to criticize Indian players and the money they make. It appears like the case of grapes gone sour.

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 14, 2013, 17:01 GMT

    The second ODI at Kochi will not be a totally a batting wkt. This may give bowlers a better chance. England won the last ODI thru' Patel's swash buckling 44. Can India go to 3 spinners + 2 seamers instead of 3 Seamers? Having won the only Test match thru' spinners, that is one option open to India. But Dhoni's selection has always been Bizzare. He dropped Pujara - the most relaible & hottest batsman in Indian team. The Selectors brought in Pujara to replace Sehwag but Dhoni made a complete mess of it. He had many options of accomodating Pujara by -making a 5th bowler in Yuvraj & Raina- both good all rounders. Instead, Yuvraj did not bowl a single ball.He has that option still open to him. Also he dropped Shami after Shami won a close ODI vs. Pakistan thru' his death bowling. He gave a crazy justification for that move as well as dropping Pujara. It looks like he will field the same XI - i.e., minus Pujara again! So England can breath easier & capitalize on Dhoni's irrational XI.

  • POSTED BY on | January 14, 2013, 16:58 GMT

    Last match India not tried to score much aginst Joe roots 8 overs but in the last over the scored very well they should target him in the coming matches

  • POSTED BY R_U_4_REAL_NICK on | January 14, 2013, 16:57 GMT

    Best of luck to both teams. It only took one game to silence all those that were adamant about another whitewash. England have their noses ahead and tails up now, but they will certainly not get away with the same poor bowling performance by certain bowlers in the first game.

  • POSTED BY on | January 14, 2013, 16:42 GMT

    I shant sharma should find another career in all honesty. Replace him with shami for the next game.

  • POSTED BY gbqdgj on | January 14, 2013, 16:42 GMT

    Heisenberg...weare all asking the same thing? To be fair though, you've got Steve Smith still!! :-)

  • POSTED BY Harlequin. on | January 14, 2013, 16:36 GMT

    To be asked about complacency when Eng only won the first match of a 5 match series by 9 runs is a little ridiculous. Only two extra hits and the game would have been India's. Englands batting looked good though, true you can't expect the same from Samit every match, but you would normally have expected KP or Morgan to go on and post a bigger score than they did from the position they were in. Bowling wise though; I think Bresnan needs a long break from cricket to regain his zip, and Dernbach... well everyone but the selectors knows what needs doing with Dernbach.

  • POSTED BY vsreddy4u on | January 14, 2013, 16:14 GMT

    I think dhoni would have picked shami ahmed in the first game.England won' t have scored that much if he was included.Hope bhuvaneswar kumar and shami ahmed will win the series for india.

  • POSTED BY Heisenburg on | January 14, 2013, 15:44 GMT

    I'm an Aussie, and would like England to be as weak as possible, but even I must say, when the hell are England going to get rid of Dernsbach? Completely hopeless.

  • POSTED BY Charlie101 on | January 14, 2013, 15:11 GMT

    It was a great first match but England will have to play incredibly well to win this series and the smart money is still on India . I hope we can put a good bowling performance in the next game and go 2 nil up !!!

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | January 14, 2013, 15:10 GMT

    it should be remembered that root is a young guy not only in batting but more so in bowling.india will not allow him to bowl his near quota of overs for the amount of runs this time. that is not to say it will not happen. india will come at england big time as to go down again would put heads on blocks. before the last game i thought Patel should not have been selected but even though i am still of the same, you cannot but select.but unlike india england under flowers were never frightened to change a winning side we will have to wait and see if Giles is similar.

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | January 14, 2013, 15:10 GMT

    it should be remembered that root is a young guy not only in batting but more so in bowling.india will not allow him to bowl his near quota of overs for the amount of runs this time. that is not to say it will not happen. india will come at england big time as to go down again would put heads on blocks. before the last game i thought Patel should not have been selected but even though i am still of the same, you cannot but select.but unlike india england under flowers were never frightened to change a winning side we will have to wait and see if Giles is similar.

  • POSTED BY Charlie101 on | January 14, 2013, 15:11 GMT

    It was a great first match but England will have to play incredibly well to win this series and the smart money is still on India . I hope we can put a good bowling performance in the next game and go 2 nil up !!!

  • POSTED BY Heisenburg on | January 14, 2013, 15:44 GMT

    I'm an Aussie, and would like England to be as weak as possible, but even I must say, when the hell are England going to get rid of Dernsbach? Completely hopeless.

  • POSTED BY vsreddy4u on | January 14, 2013, 16:14 GMT

    I think dhoni would have picked shami ahmed in the first game.England won' t have scored that much if he was included.Hope bhuvaneswar kumar and shami ahmed will win the series for india.

  • POSTED BY Harlequin. on | January 14, 2013, 16:36 GMT

    To be asked about complacency when Eng only won the first match of a 5 match series by 9 runs is a little ridiculous. Only two extra hits and the game would have been India's. Englands batting looked good though, true you can't expect the same from Samit every match, but you would normally have expected KP or Morgan to go on and post a bigger score than they did from the position they were in. Bowling wise though; I think Bresnan needs a long break from cricket to regain his zip, and Dernbach... well everyone but the selectors knows what needs doing with Dernbach.

  • POSTED BY gbqdgj on | January 14, 2013, 16:42 GMT

    Heisenberg...weare all asking the same thing? To be fair though, you've got Steve Smith still!! :-)

  • POSTED BY on | January 14, 2013, 16:42 GMT

    I shant sharma should find another career in all honesty. Replace him with shami for the next game.

  • POSTED BY R_U_4_REAL_NICK on | January 14, 2013, 16:57 GMT

    Best of luck to both teams. It only took one game to silence all those that were adamant about another whitewash. England have their noses ahead and tails up now, but they will certainly not get away with the same poor bowling performance by certain bowlers in the first game.

  • POSTED BY on | January 14, 2013, 16:58 GMT

    Last match India not tried to score much aginst Joe roots 8 overs but in the last over the scored very well they should target him in the coming matches

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | January 14, 2013, 17:01 GMT

    The second ODI at Kochi will not be a totally a batting wkt. This may give bowlers a better chance. England won the last ODI thru' Patel's swash buckling 44. Can India go to 3 spinners + 2 seamers instead of 3 Seamers? Having won the only Test match thru' spinners, that is one option open to India. But Dhoni's selection has always been Bizzare. He dropped Pujara - the most relaible & hottest batsman in Indian team. The Selectors brought in Pujara to replace Sehwag but Dhoni made a complete mess of it. He had many options of accomodating Pujara by -making a 5th bowler in Yuvraj & Raina- both good all rounders. Instead, Yuvraj did not bowl a single ball.He has that option still open to him. Also he dropped Shami after Shami won a close ODI vs. Pakistan thru' his death bowling. He gave a crazy justification for that move as well as dropping Pujara. It looks like he will field the same XI - i.e., minus Pujara again! So England can breath easier & capitalize on Dhoni's irrational XI.