Australia in South Africa 2011-12 October 17, 2011

Watson, Shaun Marsh doubtful for ODIs

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Allrounder Shane Watson is a doubtful starter for the ODI series against South Africa that begins on October 19, after straining his hip muscle. With batsman Shaun Marsh also picking up an injury during Sunday's Twenty20, Cricket Australia has named Cameron White to the ODI squad as cover.

"Shane Watson is recovering from a hip muscle strain which caused him to miss yesterday's second Twenty20 match," Australia's physiotherapist Alex Kountouris said. "He will continue with treatment and we will assess him over the next 24 hours, before a decision is made on his availability for the first ODI game on Wednesday."

Watson has had few injury concerns recently. He was last unfit during the 2009 Ashes, when he had an issue with his thigh. Later that year, he experienced a niggle during Australia's one-day series in India, but managed to play with his physio Victor Popov's help. After a tough tour of Sri Lanka in August-September Watson had questioned whether his body would be able to handle the rigours of bowling regularly and opening the batting and, in order to protect him for international cricket, had a bowling ban placed on him by CA for the Champions League T20.

Marsh had hurt his shoulder while fielding in the second Twenty20, but it was a minor concern Kountouris said. "Shaun Marsh injured his left shoulder when diving in the field during the game at the Wanderers. He has undergone scans today [Monday] in Johannesburg, which have cleared him of any major damage, and he will be assessed closer to the game [the first ODI]."

White was dropped from Australia's ODI squad mid-way through the three-match series against Bangladesh in April, after failing to go past 24 in his last ten innings. In the T20s against South Africa, in which he captained Australia, White contributed handy cameos of 28 and 39.

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  • ahmed786moti on October 20, 2011, 12:20 GMT

    is watson gna play on sunday

  • zenboomerang on October 20, 2011, 4:02 GMT

    @andrew-schulz... why?... Watsons played 138 ODI's; White 87; Smith 28; D Hussey 32... surely after playing 28 ODI matches your stats should be an indicater of your playing ability... or do you want us all to wait until he's played another 50 matches as a batter like last night?... if not, your point is lost ... Mitch Marsh stood in for Watson & did a good job... Smith stood in for Shaun Marsh... which was a joke... didn't even get into the game at any point...

  • andrew-schulz on October 19, 2011, 7:23 GMT

    zenboomerang, that is the most classic misuse of statistics I have ever seen.

  • zenboomerang on October 19, 2011, 4:53 GMT

    @AdoSR... Watson loss will only be in the batting... ODI bowling - Watson 29.10; White 29.25; D Hussey 33.07; Smith 34.80;... batting - Watson 43.38; White 35.12; D Hussey 31.33; Smith 22.64... Smith isn't in Whites league, yet White is only lower to Watson in the batting... Smith needs more time in FC to improve his game... needs to gain more experience... White needs to push his bowling & so does Clarke in ODI's... D Hussey ranks up there too... O'Keefe is a superior bowler having half Smiths FC strike average...

  • AdoSR on October 18, 2011, 21:07 GMT

    I didn't really see how much we now rely on Watson until I saw the lineup without him. To balance his absence, there seems only two possibilities - White and Smith (though Ferguson would be great too). Personally, I'd go for Smith for his partnership breaking bowling (like Watson) and because he is still a fine young prospect in the making, regardless of record. Very difficult to predict this series. Oz number one ranking is not with this lineup.

  • Okakaboka on October 18, 2011, 13:34 GMT

    Yeah, Steve Smith has been failing longer than White.......and White gets dropped.....Arguably correctly.....however...it is the inconsistency that bothers me....'Metcard' Smith is retained. Why?? White it is just as good a fieldsman. What will happen if White plays and makes a big score? On another note, the omission of Pattinson for Cummings is a total disgrace. This IS NOT THE WAY TO HANDLE YOUNG TALENT...Add Cummings to the squad if you must but to tell Pattinson basically to ...disappear when he has displayed so much promise..it has to play with his head...as this decision will with Starc, George, Cutting, Hazelwood, Copeland, Mackay, Butterworth, etc. We have so much bowling talent around but Hilditch is messing with their minds. They can be sent packing because someone comes out and bowls like a 'tinarse' for one match. What would happen if 'Tom Thunderbolt' playing District cricket seconds in Sydney takes a '8 for'? Will he be sent to South Africa next week at Cummings expense?

  • Cantthinkofone on October 18, 2011, 12:48 GMT

    @Ben1989 I'm not a Victorian mate? I don't see anything wrong with selecting Patto. If all the NSW blokes can get a chance then why not a Victorian? And he bowled pretty well in the last T20.

  • TeamRocker on October 18, 2011, 11:07 GMT

    @anver777- It's very unlikely that Marsh or Watson will be unfit for the ODI's. If either of them is unfit, it actually could throw up a chance tho unearth some new talent.

  • on October 18, 2011, 10:41 GMT

    Eng - Aus, Ind - Pak, Aus - SA, Ind - Aus have given some good riveting contests over last 10 years. Rankings notwithstanding, these battles always seem to provide good entertainment.

  • Vishnu27 on October 18, 2011, 9:18 GMT

    Cheers Aussasinator! That's so funny I just have to post again. Where do you get that stuff? Still laughing. Genius. Would've thought you'd be slightly more concerned at the healthy does of comeuppance England is currently receiving. So good at home. Dross on the subcontinent...

  • ahmed786moti on October 20, 2011, 12:20 GMT

    is watson gna play on sunday

  • zenboomerang on October 20, 2011, 4:02 GMT

    @andrew-schulz... why?... Watsons played 138 ODI's; White 87; Smith 28; D Hussey 32... surely after playing 28 ODI matches your stats should be an indicater of your playing ability... or do you want us all to wait until he's played another 50 matches as a batter like last night?... if not, your point is lost ... Mitch Marsh stood in for Watson & did a good job... Smith stood in for Shaun Marsh... which was a joke... didn't even get into the game at any point...

  • andrew-schulz on October 19, 2011, 7:23 GMT

    zenboomerang, that is the most classic misuse of statistics I have ever seen.

  • zenboomerang on October 19, 2011, 4:53 GMT

    @AdoSR... Watson loss will only be in the batting... ODI bowling - Watson 29.10; White 29.25; D Hussey 33.07; Smith 34.80;... batting - Watson 43.38; White 35.12; D Hussey 31.33; Smith 22.64... Smith isn't in Whites league, yet White is only lower to Watson in the batting... Smith needs more time in FC to improve his game... needs to gain more experience... White needs to push his bowling & so does Clarke in ODI's... D Hussey ranks up there too... O'Keefe is a superior bowler having half Smiths FC strike average...

  • AdoSR on October 18, 2011, 21:07 GMT

    I didn't really see how much we now rely on Watson until I saw the lineup without him. To balance his absence, there seems only two possibilities - White and Smith (though Ferguson would be great too). Personally, I'd go for Smith for his partnership breaking bowling (like Watson) and because he is still a fine young prospect in the making, regardless of record. Very difficult to predict this series. Oz number one ranking is not with this lineup.

  • Okakaboka on October 18, 2011, 13:34 GMT

    Yeah, Steve Smith has been failing longer than White.......and White gets dropped.....Arguably correctly.....however...it is the inconsistency that bothers me....'Metcard' Smith is retained. Why?? White it is just as good a fieldsman. What will happen if White plays and makes a big score? On another note, the omission of Pattinson for Cummings is a total disgrace. This IS NOT THE WAY TO HANDLE YOUNG TALENT...Add Cummings to the squad if you must but to tell Pattinson basically to ...disappear when he has displayed so much promise..it has to play with his head...as this decision will with Starc, George, Cutting, Hazelwood, Copeland, Mackay, Butterworth, etc. We have so much bowling talent around but Hilditch is messing with their minds. They can be sent packing because someone comes out and bowls like a 'tinarse' for one match. What would happen if 'Tom Thunderbolt' playing District cricket seconds in Sydney takes a '8 for'? Will he be sent to South Africa next week at Cummings expense?

  • Cantthinkofone on October 18, 2011, 12:48 GMT

    @Ben1989 I'm not a Victorian mate? I don't see anything wrong with selecting Patto. If all the NSW blokes can get a chance then why not a Victorian? And he bowled pretty well in the last T20.

  • TeamRocker on October 18, 2011, 11:07 GMT

    @anver777- It's very unlikely that Marsh or Watson will be unfit for the ODI's. If either of them is unfit, it actually could throw up a chance tho unearth some new talent.

  • on October 18, 2011, 10:41 GMT

    Eng - Aus, Ind - Pak, Aus - SA, Ind - Aus have given some good riveting contests over last 10 years. Rankings notwithstanding, these battles always seem to provide good entertainment.

  • Vishnu27 on October 18, 2011, 9:18 GMT

    Cheers Aussasinator! That's so funny I just have to post again. Where do you get that stuff? Still laughing. Genius. Would've thought you'd be slightly more concerned at the healthy does of comeuppance England is currently receiving. So good at home. Dross on the subcontinent...

  • zenboomerang on October 18, 2011, 8:44 GMT

    Hope Watto is left out... played lots of cricket recently... get ready for Tests... Haddin open - only option available... White has good ODI batting but lost his bowling arm... still better stats in ODI than Smith both batting & bowling... this is always going to be a problem while Aust rely on Watto as bowler & gets injured... if Hautitz continues his batting fomr from SS he may get a job as a batter... lol... going to be hard for Lyon & Beer to get to his level... funny both Vettori & Swan still rate him highly while ACB loses the plot... another wasted player...

  • Aussasinator on October 18, 2011, 7:39 GMT

    @jonesy2. SA as Australia's closest rivals in test cricket? Which age are you living in friend? I thought it was Sri Lanka that was Australia's closest rival in test cricket and maybe Pakistan. The top 3 teams need not be full strength to beat Australia anywhere, even in Australia. And by the way, Watson is gone for good, the selectors had better start looking for a replacement. He' s now a bits and pieces player, capable of a good knock on the day his muscles dont threaten to burst. And he dare not bowl these days because in a competitive match he'll be carted all over.

  • jonesy2 on October 18, 2011, 7:33 GMT

    this willl probably be the 11 (based on who has been picked for the squad) if watto and marsh snr are injured: warner, haddin, ponting, clarke, ferguson/white, hussey, marsh jnr/smith, johnson, doherty, bollinger, cummins.

  • jonesy2 on October 18, 2011, 7:28 GMT

    Werner Geyer --- absolutely have not predicted anything, just stating australia's unparalleled depth, ive always respected south africa as australia's closest rivals in cricket and they have a fantastic team but they need a more or less full strength team to be awesome, australia dont necessarily and have proved that on many a tour

  • on October 18, 2011, 7:22 GMT

    Where is Ferguson? Saw a couple of Ryobi Cup matches and he's timing them beautifully. Counter-Nile is doing well but since he's not from NSW he'll have to peform in a few more seasons. If I were a selector, I would open with Warner and M. Hussey. My 11 - Warner, Hussey, Ponting, Clarke, White, Haddin, Johnson, Smith, Dorthey, Cummins, Bollinger, Pattinson.

  • Dashgar on October 18, 2011, 6:46 GMT

    Great to see White back in the side. He's clearly regained form, is hitting the ball clean and batting for decent periods. I'd have him bat at number 6 or 7 so he can use his power at the end of the innings. 5 was too high, he's not a natural middle overs accumulator. Hopefully Watson can get himself healthy although it will lead to interesting selections should he miss the tests as well.

  • anver777 on October 18, 2011, 4:47 GMT

    In ODI's without Shane & Shaun Aus have to work hard in batting dept......Clarke will also face problems in balancing the team in case they don't play !!!!

  • ajayrcs on October 18, 2011, 4:18 GMT

    Why White and not Ferguson what Australia wants ranked among Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. White is not a good player he can't play spin.I expect worst is yet to come for australia. Well hopefully Ponting does well in ODI and Test, If he does Australia doesn't require Marsh Watson White or any one else. The main problem for Australias Downfall is Australia management.

  • MenFromMarts on October 18, 2011, 3:34 GMT

    Oops just noticed O'Keefe is not in Squad. Not sure why not come to think of it. Anyhow I would put M Marsh in instead of Doherty. We need a spinner don't we.

  • MenFromMarts on October 18, 2011, 3:28 GMT

    If White and Warner open (again S Marsh and Watto have to be injured) and actually get there eye in - it could be magic to watch. Then Punter at 3, Clarke 4, Hussey 5, Haddin 6, Johnson 7, O'Keefe 8, Pattinson 9, Bollinger 10, Cummins 11. A classic case with Watto injured is Nathan Coulter-Nile be brought in to this squad. He will be the Aussie Botham this kid.

  • Cantthinkofone on October 18, 2011, 1:17 GMT

    Well, Sannan Wastani, Haddin is playing in the ODIs. He didn't play T20s because he took retirement from international T20s earlier this month and no one here is talking about Hadds anyway..

  • Larawasbetta on October 18, 2011, 1:06 GMT

    @Sannan Wastani.... er no Haddin IS playing. Wade was covering for Tim Paine (who has an ongoing finger injury) in the T20s. Haddin had retired from the hit and giggle stuff. Precious indeed.............. For what it's worth they should rest Marsh and Watson if there is any doubt - the Tests are far more important. Haddin and Warner to open and let's give some of the younguns a go. Love to see how Mitch Marsh would go in the 50over game. And please please NO STEVE SMITH. I'm afraid he's just not up to it.

  • Meety on October 18, 2011, 1:01 GMT

    Pretty simple really, rest Watto. @Gordo85 - mate its AUSTRALIA, get with the program, you're starting to sound like a Pom! If they perform who cares which state they come from?

  • Nerk on October 18, 2011, 0:34 GMT

    White is a fantastic player, deserves more a run in the Aussie side, even good enough for tests. I like him as a captain as well, intellegent, aggressive, and unlike some other recent Australian captains he actually has experience.

  • Oldwombat on October 18, 2011, 0:30 GMT

    Why do our leading players play this useless Twent20 game at all!!!

  • HookeRandPulleR on October 18, 2011, 0:08 GMT

    @ Sannan Wastani.....I don't think Haddin is injured, he's retired from T20I's, hence Matthew Wade's call up. Paine is injured. Perhaps you should take your own advice.

  • hilditchmustgo on October 17, 2011, 23:42 GMT

    Ferguson Should've been in the ODI squad. He's a great talent and averages in the early 40's. Would have been a great platform to prove himself for a test berth. But in saying that he made runs in Zimbabwe and that didnt help....

  • on October 17, 2011, 23:20 GMT

    Might as well rest Watson until he is right. Mitch Marsh in for him as we will need someone to replace Watson's bowling.

  • on October 17, 2011, 23:19 GMT

    What are you talking about Sannan Wastani?! Haddin IS in the ODI squad not Wade. Haddin has retired from T20 and Paine is injured, hence Wade playing. Maybe YOU should get your facts right before you come on here.

  • on October 17, 2011, 23:10 GMT

    Mr Wastani, I believe it is YOU who needs to check his facts. Haddin retired from T20, and Paine was covering. Paine got injured and Wade covered for him. Haddin is the ODI keeper, and as far as I am aware, is not injured and will take his place. Matt Wade is on his way back here to play for the Vics.

  • bobagorof on October 17, 2011, 22:59 GMT

    @Sannan Wastani: Haddin isn't injured. He is in the ODI and Test squads. Tim Paine is injured, which is why Wade played in the Twenty20s. Before shouting down everyone else here, get your own facts straight.

  • Ben1989 on October 17, 2011, 22:42 GMT

    also what is with you vics & selection, you're whole state is caught up in the ozzy rules footy, which is why you field 11 teams in a 17 team competion!! The talent that come's from NSW is pretty clear, which is why a high number are selected, they could probably field 2-3 teams in every one of our domestic competitions & still be competitive, don't think any other state's have that benefit & no I'm not from NSW, I'm a SthAussie, just telling it how I see it

  • Ben1989 on October 17, 2011, 22:41 GMT

    @Jonesy, I tend to agree with a few others here, I think you're a bit too confident mate, all good to be confident, but SA are still a good team & have depth too... I also don't agree with M Huss opening in the ODI's, he's our rock in the middle order if top collapses & we need to keep it that way, he's perfect for opening a t20 but not ODI.. Wade opens with his domestic team at time's, so seems like best plan would be him & of course warner & @ Cantthinkofone, why would you still have Smith mate? I was one of the people who supported him, but it's about time he goes back to domestic cricket & define his technique & bowl some more so he can be an allrounder, M Marsh proved he can score more runs in one game plus his bowling will be a lot more beneficial in SA..

  • Cantthinkofone on October 17, 2011, 21:50 GMT

    If Watto and Marsh are out, Warner and Huss should open and Punter should come in at No.3 and the line-up should look something like 1- Michael Hussey 2- David Warner 3- Ricky Ponting 4- Michael Clarke 5- Cameron White 6- Brad Haddin 7- Steven Smith 8- Mitchell Johnson 9- James Pattinson 10- Patrick Cummins 11- Doug Bollinger

  • on October 17, 2011, 21:32 GMT

    All of you seem to be Mr. Know-it-all. Well, youre not. Haddins not even in the squad due to his injury. Wade is covering for him. Get your facts straight before giving your precious views.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:56 GMT

    @jonesy2. I see you predicting an easy win for Aus with all their depth. A bit self assured saying they have too much depth. Lets talk again after the ODI series and we will see who has the most depth

  • Gordo85 on October 17, 2011, 16:36 GMT

    Finally some good news for Victorians. Most of the time it is the only way Victorian players get selected to play for Australia is if there are injuries which says they are not too far behind. Yes Australia do have some depth but not as much depth as South Africa. It will be interesting to see how Warner goes as he has had his chances in the past in this formation and has failed more often than not. Haddin needs to make runs before the Test series and I doupt he will make many at all. Last test series in Sri Lanka Haddin played poorly and couldn't make many runs and that should have been the end of him in Tests atleast. I am guessing if Watson is out it will for sure be the twin NSW batsmen opening the innings with out a doupt.

  • s.sreekant on October 17, 2011, 16:13 GMT

    finch should have stayed back he is a better option than white and for sure ferguson should have been included earlier itself. its no use opening with haddin he il sure struggle scoring and as usual will try to swing around without connecting.

  • JesseV on October 17, 2011, 15:41 GMT

    So, who would Australia get to open if these guys were out? Haddin and Warner? Warner should be there, and I guess Haddin is a shu-in now to open. I'd like to see Ponting open as cover, and Hussey or White bat at three, only if both Watto and Marsh are out.

  • jonesy2 on October 17, 2011, 15:37 GMT

    hope your all good boys but just in case rest for the one dayers if need be there is plenty of depth to get the series win anyway. mitch marsh to replace watto, ferguson/warner to replace marsh, easy. almost too much depth

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  • jonesy2 on October 17, 2011, 15:37 GMT

    hope your all good boys but just in case rest for the one dayers if need be there is plenty of depth to get the series win anyway. mitch marsh to replace watto, ferguson/warner to replace marsh, easy. almost too much depth

  • JesseV on October 17, 2011, 15:41 GMT

    So, who would Australia get to open if these guys were out? Haddin and Warner? Warner should be there, and I guess Haddin is a shu-in now to open. I'd like to see Ponting open as cover, and Hussey or White bat at three, only if both Watto and Marsh are out.

  • s.sreekant on October 17, 2011, 16:13 GMT

    finch should have stayed back he is a better option than white and for sure ferguson should have been included earlier itself. its no use opening with haddin he il sure struggle scoring and as usual will try to swing around without connecting.

  • Gordo85 on October 17, 2011, 16:36 GMT

    Finally some good news for Victorians. Most of the time it is the only way Victorian players get selected to play for Australia is if there are injuries which says they are not too far behind. Yes Australia do have some depth but not as much depth as South Africa. It will be interesting to see how Warner goes as he has had his chances in the past in this formation and has failed more often than not. Haddin needs to make runs before the Test series and I doupt he will make many at all. Last test series in Sri Lanka Haddin played poorly and couldn't make many runs and that should have been the end of him in Tests atleast. I am guessing if Watson is out it will for sure be the twin NSW batsmen opening the innings with out a doupt.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:56 GMT

    @jonesy2. I see you predicting an easy win for Aus with all their depth. A bit self assured saying they have too much depth. Lets talk again after the ODI series and we will see who has the most depth

  • on October 17, 2011, 21:32 GMT

    All of you seem to be Mr. Know-it-all. Well, youre not. Haddins not even in the squad due to his injury. Wade is covering for him. Get your facts straight before giving your precious views.

  • Cantthinkofone on October 17, 2011, 21:50 GMT

    If Watto and Marsh are out, Warner and Huss should open and Punter should come in at No.3 and the line-up should look something like 1- Michael Hussey 2- David Warner 3- Ricky Ponting 4- Michael Clarke 5- Cameron White 6- Brad Haddin 7- Steven Smith 8- Mitchell Johnson 9- James Pattinson 10- Patrick Cummins 11- Doug Bollinger

  • Ben1989 on October 17, 2011, 22:41 GMT

    @Jonesy, I tend to agree with a few others here, I think you're a bit too confident mate, all good to be confident, but SA are still a good team & have depth too... I also don't agree with M Huss opening in the ODI's, he's our rock in the middle order if top collapses & we need to keep it that way, he's perfect for opening a t20 but not ODI.. Wade opens with his domestic team at time's, so seems like best plan would be him & of course warner & @ Cantthinkofone, why would you still have Smith mate? I was one of the people who supported him, but it's about time he goes back to domestic cricket & define his technique & bowl some more so he can be an allrounder, M Marsh proved he can score more runs in one game plus his bowling will be a lot more beneficial in SA..

  • Ben1989 on October 17, 2011, 22:42 GMT

    also what is with you vics & selection, you're whole state is caught up in the ozzy rules footy, which is why you field 11 teams in a 17 team competion!! The talent that come's from NSW is pretty clear, which is why a high number are selected, they could probably field 2-3 teams in every one of our domestic competitions & still be competitive, don't think any other state's have that benefit & no I'm not from NSW, I'm a SthAussie, just telling it how I see it

  • bobagorof on October 17, 2011, 22:59 GMT

    @Sannan Wastani: Haddin isn't injured. He is in the ODI and Test squads. Tim Paine is injured, which is why Wade played in the Twenty20s. Before shouting down everyone else here, get your own facts straight.