England v Australia, 3rd Investec Test, Old Trafford, 2nd day August 2, 2013

No time for trepidation from England

England's attack, now including three bowlers with more than 200 wickets, is an outstanding unit despite their toil at Old Trafford but the focus shifts to the batsmen with a Test match to save
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There was some irony in the timing of Stuart Broad's 200th Test wicket. The wicket, that of Michael Clarke, not only placed Broad within a select band of England bowlers to have achieved the milestone, but it meant that the England team, for only the second time in its history and the first time in more than 30 years, contained three men with over 200 Test wickets.

It is an impressive achievement. The last time it happened was in February 1982. In that game against Sri Lanka, Derek Underwood's final Test, the England team also contained Sir Ian Botham and Bob Willis; one of the more impressive trios in England's post-war history.

Now Broad, James Anderson and Graeme Swann have joined them. It is a milestone that, as well as the skill of the individuals concerned, underlines the wisdom of talent identification, central contracts and continuity of selection that have typified England cricket in recent times.

Both Broad and Anderson were identified unusually young by English standards and fast-tracked into international cricket. Both have had some bumps on the road but the selectors have ensured they have had the rest periods denied their predecessors and stuck with them through the inevitable fallow times. There is now every chance they will finish their careers as the top two wicket-takers in England's Test history.

Swann took a somewhat more circuitous route to success, but here claimed the 17th five-wicket haul of his Test career. Now only Botham (with 27) and Sydney Barnes (with 24) have taken more. In partnership with Broad and Anderson, Swann has played a huge part in helping England enjoy their most successful period in the modern age.

We might well, in years to come, look back on this as one of the best attacks England have had. It may not compare to Waqar, Wasim and Mushtaq, or McGrath, Warne and Lee or any combination of West Indies quicks but, by England standards, you have to go back at least 30 years to find anything comparable.

But there is no getting away from the fact that they reached the landmark on a trying day. It was a day on which Anderson recorded the worst analysis of his Test career - 0-116 from 33 overs surpasses the 0-111 he conceded in Johannesburg in 2010 - while Broad had laboured for 54.2 overs - that's 326 balls - between taking his 199th wicket and his 200th and eventually reached the milestone in the second most Tests of any England player.

This was also the highest score England had conceded since South Africa plundered them for 637 for 2 at The Oval in July 2012. The last couple of times they have conceded anything like such totals, both at The Oval and in Ahmedabad, when India scored 521, they lost.

That should not be the case on this occasion. This pitch is flat, though no flatter than The Oval track of July 2012, and there is a strong chance that rain will reduce the remaining playing time in the game. Bearing in mind that England will retain the Ashes if they draw this Test, then England will not be as unhappy as they might have been. Talk of 5-0, or even 10-0, whitewashes hardly matters.

England did not bowl badly. Anderson was, by his high standards, a little off his best and lacked potency and, in bowling only 20 maidens in the 146 they delivered, England failed to build the pressure they may have wanted on the Australian batsmen. But this is a fine wicket and Australia batted well. It would be wrong to read too much into it.

Some critics might suggest that England failed to 'make things happen' but that is to fail to understand England's method. While there was a little conventional swing and some decent turn, at least with the newer ball, England were unable to gain reverse swing.

They play, Kevin Pietersen apart, safety first cricket and know that they only need avoid defeat to ensure they cannot be beaten in the series and therefore retain the Ashes. They had no need to chase the game and lacked the weapons to take wickets in bursts on such surfaces.

It is not their natural method anyway. Instead, they aim to suffocate their opposition with tight bowling and sharp catching. But on this occasion Clarke, in particular, was too good for them and they were unable to bowl with quite the consistency required to build the requisite pressure.

Besides, for a while it appeared England would dismiss Australia for nothing more than a par total of around 450. By the time Peter Siddle was out Australia were 430 for 7, but Brad Haddin then added 97 in an excellent, unbroken eighth-wicket partnership with Mitchell Starc.

England should not have allowed it to happen. Haddin was badly missed on 10 when Matt Prior failed to cling onto an edge off Anderson. It was not the first mistake by Prior this series and a reminder of the sometimes capricious nature of sport. Only four months ago, Prior was named England Player of the Year for his sustained excellence in the previous 12 months. Since then, he has failed to reach 40 in eight Test innings and missed several chances.

Prior's place is quite rightly in no jeopardy at all. It is not just that England now understand the benefits of settled teams and continuity of selection, but that it is almost impossible to predict who his replacement might be.

England have reservations about the keeping of the limited-overs options - the likes of Jos Buttler and Jonny Bairstow - are unlikely to turn to the better keepers - the likes of Chris Read, James Foster and Tim Ambrose - while the keeper from the Lions' tour, Ben Foakes, is very much a work in progress with bat and gloves. Steve Davies or Craig Kieswetter are closer to Test cricket than many might think.

After play Swann suggested England could still win the game. Perhaps with the Adelaide Test of 2006-07 in mind - England scored 551 for 6 dec in their first innings and still lost by six wickets - he claimed England's aim was to gain a first innings lead and then utilise a deteriorating pitch to dismiss Australia cheaply in the third innings.

"We'll get a lead on day four and then bowl them out," he said. "It's a very good pitch and we've got some of the best batsmen in the world.

Such positivity sounds encouraging, but it is not always mirrored by England's actions. The decision to send in Tim Bresnan as nightwatchman with 30 minutes of play remaining was as flawed as it was negative. Jonathan Trott, England No. 3, should have relished the opportunity to bat on this pitch for as long as possible and is as well suited to doing so as anyone in the world. The decision to shield him can only have suggested fear and trepidation to Australia.

Swann did make one interesting point, though. He suggested that Bresnan's failure to call for a review after he was adjudged caught behind when replays suggested he had missed the ball supported the theory that, at times, players are genuinely unsure whether they have edged the ball.

Bresnan's departure meant that Trott and Alastair Cook will be at the crease at the start of the third day. With Kevin Pietersen seemingly struggling with his calf strain - the England camp insist he is fine, but he was noticeably inconvenienced in the field - England will need Trott and Cook to bat for a substantial portion of the day if they are make the game safe.

They are one strong batting performance away from retaining the Ashes and could hardly have asked for a much more benign surface on which to produce it.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • humdrum on August 3, 2013, 2:36 GMT

    Swann's bombast notwithstanding,Eng are up against it. The moment you start thinking that a draw is the most you can hope for,you become defensive,which on a wearing wicket, is a receipe for disaster. Anyway Eng under pressure are not all that hot and the Aussies have nothing to lose, so expect them to go flat out on the 3rd day.Eng will not only have to spend time at the crease,but score at a decent pace to take the pressure off.Lyon looks a dangerous customer and if Eng do produce the goods against him,it would be an outstanding achievement. So,will the hour bring forth the man ?

  • Shan156 on August 4, 2013, 2:39 GMT

    @RohanMarkJay, how is the current Aussie team superior to England? We have 6 batsmen that average 40+ while the Aussies have only one who averages over 50. 3 of our bowlers have 200+ test wickets while the Aussies have none. Just because the Aussies are ahead in this test doesn't make them a better side. What about the 2 defeats they suffered in the first 2 tests? Any team which has Steven Smith (despite his 89) in the middle order is really short of test class batsmen. Eng. bowled poorly in this test but it was inevitable that they will have a poor test. They have not conceded a 500+ score since the 1st test in India. This is near the worst of Eng. and the best of Aus. and the result is still not decided and the test could well meander to a draw.

  • RohanMarkJay on August 3, 2013, 21:15 GMT

    I wrote an earlier comment on cricinfo stating that the current Australian and England teams are almost identical in strength. In fact Aussie team is slightly better if their top order fires. My only gripe is that I would like to see Ashton Agar become a permanent player of the Aussie team. He is an exciting player, he made some people take an interest in test cricket which they hadn't done in years.

  • Jaffa79 on August 3, 2013, 14:51 GMT

    Alistair Cook is a wonderful batsman with a fantastic temperament. He does however, sometimes bat himself into a hole. When he isn't in great nick, which he clearly isn't at the moment, he grinds it out to the extent that he just occupies the crease and allows the bowling side to build pressure. I am not saying he should be cavalier, as that isn't his game, but he does need to look to rotate the strike more and not just wait for the pull, cut and flick off the legs.

  • truthfinder on August 3, 2013, 13:29 GMT

    Englands attitude in batting is very negative. On such a flat batting surface they started batting as if they are 0-2 down and trying to save the series. Either of Alistair cook or Joe Root should be positive. Their is no point conceding maidens to the bowler like Share Watson. As Ian Chapel always mentions that batting is not about spending time in the crease but scoring runs.In previous 2 matches Australia were down in batting and English bowlers are successful so their wearing the opposition down tactics worked.In this match on a genuinely batting pitch and Australia scoring 500+ their bowlers would never be tired. So couple of batsmen should be bit more pragmatic and do no let the pitch deteriorate without having much runs on board while stroke players come to bat.

  • whofriggincares on August 3, 2013, 12:32 GMT

    Well Cook + Trott = 70 odd . Lot of pressure on KP and Bell. Prior out of form with bat and gloves. 527 looks a long long way away.

  • milepost on August 3, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    I think England are getting a belting here, not by luck or poor umpiring but from being comprehensively outplayed. They have been carried a bit by Bell, the ever dangerous Swann and Anderson (when it swings) but its not hard to see a lot of them are short of runs. Lords was a shambles for Australia, no doubt. I think Doebell is a little misguided to think England's batting will waltz to a big score here. I said before that England's play it safe cricket could be their downfall. Clarke is a far superior tactician to Cook and that is showing. I was disappointed the Aussie batsman didn't go on to make 100's, that is still a concern, it should be every top order batsmanship goal.

  • iang123 on August 3, 2013, 11:22 GMT

    "Bearing in mind that England will retain the Ashes if they draw this Test, then England will not be as unhappy as they might have been. Talk of 5-0, or even 10-0, whitewashes hardly matters." - utter hogwash! Australia in their pomp would look to win every match, and whitewash every series. If the England of today want to be considered to be the new Australia (as many commentators have been commenting since Lord's), then they need to start acting like it. Resigning themselves to pushing for a draw from tea on day 2 is hardly going to cut it.

    Australia only won in Adelaide because they refused to play for a draw. I'm not going to consider England to be the new Australia until they whitewash an Ashes series.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 3, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    Like a lot of players, I guess Bresnan has lost all confidence with the DRS and just "why bother!"

    @Nutcutlet (post on August 3, 2013, 6:38 GMT): I've said similar on other threads in the previous games; I find Cook/Priors body language when things aint going too well infuriating. Even KP has the gumption to run over to the bowlers - why not the captain and vice-captain? Why is Cook so reluctant to use the part-timers more such as Root and KP who can give the ball a decent rip on surfaces like this? Clarke would have bowled everyone in the Aus. team bar wicket-keeper Haddin (although I remember Wade took the gloves off for a bowl once or twice!).

  • fahad_pakistani on August 3, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    I can not for the life of me understand y england did not play panesar with swann. This pitch is not the traditional english seamer. Its a flat turning wicket. If say pakistan were playing, they would hav played both ajmal nd abdur rehman, nd probably would hav bowled out australia under 200!!! The other thing is how stuart broad merits a place in the side. He is just an average bowler, finn would hav been a much better option on this pitch. With his height he wud hav got sum uneven bounce.

  • humdrum on August 3, 2013, 2:36 GMT

    Swann's bombast notwithstanding,Eng are up against it. The moment you start thinking that a draw is the most you can hope for,you become defensive,which on a wearing wicket, is a receipe for disaster. Anyway Eng under pressure are not all that hot and the Aussies have nothing to lose, so expect them to go flat out on the 3rd day.Eng will not only have to spend time at the crease,but score at a decent pace to take the pressure off.Lyon looks a dangerous customer and if Eng do produce the goods against him,it would be an outstanding achievement. So,will the hour bring forth the man ?

  • Shan156 on August 4, 2013, 2:39 GMT

    @RohanMarkJay, how is the current Aussie team superior to England? We have 6 batsmen that average 40+ while the Aussies have only one who averages over 50. 3 of our bowlers have 200+ test wickets while the Aussies have none. Just because the Aussies are ahead in this test doesn't make them a better side. What about the 2 defeats they suffered in the first 2 tests? Any team which has Steven Smith (despite his 89) in the middle order is really short of test class batsmen. Eng. bowled poorly in this test but it was inevitable that they will have a poor test. They have not conceded a 500+ score since the 1st test in India. This is near the worst of Eng. and the best of Aus. and the result is still not decided and the test could well meander to a draw.

  • RohanMarkJay on August 3, 2013, 21:15 GMT

    I wrote an earlier comment on cricinfo stating that the current Australian and England teams are almost identical in strength. In fact Aussie team is slightly better if their top order fires. My only gripe is that I would like to see Ashton Agar become a permanent player of the Aussie team. He is an exciting player, he made some people take an interest in test cricket which they hadn't done in years.

  • Jaffa79 on August 3, 2013, 14:51 GMT

    Alistair Cook is a wonderful batsman with a fantastic temperament. He does however, sometimes bat himself into a hole. When he isn't in great nick, which he clearly isn't at the moment, he grinds it out to the extent that he just occupies the crease and allows the bowling side to build pressure. I am not saying he should be cavalier, as that isn't his game, but he does need to look to rotate the strike more and not just wait for the pull, cut and flick off the legs.

  • truthfinder on August 3, 2013, 13:29 GMT

    Englands attitude in batting is very negative. On such a flat batting surface they started batting as if they are 0-2 down and trying to save the series. Either of Alistair cook or Joe Root should be positive. Their is no point conceding maidens to the bowler like Share Watson. As Ian Chapel always mentions that batting is not about spending time in the crease but scoring runs.In previous 2 matches Australia were down in batting and English bowlers are successful so their wearing the opposition down tactics worked.In this match on a genuinely batting pitch and Australia scoring 500+ their bowlers would never be tired. So couple of batsmen should be bit more pragmatic and do no let the pitch deteriorate without having much runs on board while stroke players come to bat.

  • whofriggincares on August 3, 2013, 12:32 GMT

    Well Cook + Trott = 70 odd . Lot of pressure on KP and Bell. Prior out of form with bat and gloves. 527 looks a long long way away.

  • milepost on August 3, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    I think England are getting a belting here, not by luck or poor umpiring but from being comprehensively outplayed. They have been carried a bit by Bell, the ever dangerous Swann and Anderson (when it swings) but its not hard to see a lot of them are short of runs. Lords was a shambles for Australia, no doubt. I think Doebell is a little misguided to think England's batting will waltz to a big score here. I said before that England's play it safe cricket could be their downfall. Clarke is a far superior tactician to Cook and that is showing. I was disappointed the Aussie batsman didn't go on to make 100's, that is still a concern, it should be every top order batsmanship goal.

  • iang123 on August 3, 2013, 11:22 GMT

    "Bearing in mind that England will retain the Ashes if they draw this Test, then England will not be as unhappy as they might have been. Talk of 5-0, or even 10-0, whitewashes hardly matters." - utter hogwash! Australia in their pomp would look to win every match, and whitewash every series. If the England of today want to be considered to be the new Australia (as many commentators have been commenting since Lord's), then they need to start acting like it. Resigning themselves to pushing for a draw from tea on day 2 is hardly going to cut it.

    Australia only won in Adelaide because they refused to play for a draw. I'm not going to consider England to be the new Australia until they whitewash an Ashes series.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 3, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    Like a lot of players, I guess Bresnan has lost all confidence with the DRS and just "why bother!"

    @Nutcutlet (post on August 3, 2013, 6:38 GMT): I've said similar on other threads in the previous games; I find Cook/Priors body language when things aint going too well infuriating. Even KP has the gumption to run over to the bowlers - why not the captain and vice-captain? Why is Cook so reluctant to use the part-timers more such as Root and KP who can give the ball a decent rip on surfaces like this? Clarke would have bowled everyone in the Aus. team bar wicket-keeper Haddin (although I remember Wade took the gloves off for a bowl once or twice!).

  • fahad_pakistani on August 3, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    I can not for the life of me understand y england did not play panesar with swann. This pitch is not the traditional english seamer. Its a flat turning wicket. If say pakistan were playing, they would hav played both ajmal nd abdur rehman, nd probably would hav bowled out australia under 200!!! The other thing is how stuart broad merits a place in the side. He is just an average bowler, finn would hav been a much better option on this pitch. With his height he wud hav got sum uneven bounce.

  • disco_bob on August 3, 2013, 8:28 GMT

    It is impossible for England to win this Test as Swan claims for the simple reason that they have no intention of attempting to win it. They have every right to play for the draw and in the end that is what is most important to them. Hopefully it's an attitude that will cost them the match, but unless this becomes the match where Lyon shows his match winning credentials, then, I can't see it happening. But Lyon does seem a better bowler than when Faf played that wonderful innings in Adelaide.

  • Cyril_Knight on August 3, 2013, 7:29 GMT

    "Anderson was, by his high standards, a little off his best and lacked potency" I'm afraid that is bowling badly. Anderson is in the team to get wickets, if he lacks potency he is not doing his job. He bowled too short for his line across the left-handers and bowled far too straight at the right handers. There was so much wrong with his overall performance, perhaps he is a little tired already. But it is very demanding to expect brilliant spells time after time from any player.

  • Nutcutlet on August 3, 2013, 6:38 GMT

    @jackiethe pen: like you, I watch the ways the captains operate closely. I am beginning to wonder whether Cook is cautious, or (I don't like suggesting this) timid? He seems to do everything by the safety-first manual. The quicks start off by bowling for an hour. The spinner first appears shortly before lunch. The bowlers call the shots with the field placings; I just make sure their requirements are executed. I haven't got any really weighty suggestions, because I'm not a bowler, With 6 overs to go on a bright evening on a good deck, I ask a tired (32 ov) bowler to keep watch, etc. (Clarke made a double change after 6 overs, btw.) Prior's presence in the team is extremely important to Cook as Prior seems much the more assertive character. And Cook does appear to captain by committee (KP seems to have been co-opted to it recently; that looks odd, given KP's tactical nous) & there is nothing out of the box - something tried - like an over or two from KP to Clarke (Adelaide 2010). Omens?

  • jmcilhinney on August 3, 2013, 5:01 GMT

    @Ross_Co on (August 3, 2013, 4:17 GMT), no they didn't.

  • Ross_Co on August 3, 2013, 4:17 GMT

    " could hardly have asked for a much more benign surface on which to produce it."

    Umm, they did ask, didn't they?

  • mike_b on August 3, 2013, 2:44 GMT

    I hope Swann wasn't implying he's in the same class as Warne. He's a good spinner but streets behind Warne and Murali. This may be a difficult wicket for seamers to bowl on but somehow I think Swann's 5 for 150+ would have been bettered easily by both Warne and Murali. The pitch is spinning and bouncing and Cook had a deal of trouble keeping Lyon out! If England lose just one early wicket then the old pressure bubble will get bigger and they showed their negative hand with the Bresnan tactic. I'm not doubting that England are the superior team but they're are still dogged by the old English mentality - they go for the win once they know they can't lose whereas Aussie cricket has always been about going for the draw once they know they can't win. There's a subtle but big difference and explains why Australia has won 30 or so more test matches in Ashes history than England.

  • Dhanvanth on August 3, 2013, 2:17 GMT

    Easy ways to win a Test match (provided luck favours you) : Win toss, bat 1st. Put on a massive 1st innings score. bowl the opposition for a low score. Take the trophy! as simple as that. winning the toss is job half done:)

  • on August 3, 2013, 1:39 GMT

    Swann has a good attitude, he is always positive talking even when England loses. They are just there to enjoy the game. Look Australia score more than 500 in Brisbane 2010/2011 and England came back to draw that game and then win the series. Here Australia scored 500 but still have to bowl this England team twice to win. That's 18 wickets left. It is either that or the rain. A draw here means England retain the Ashes, then we'll do it all again in OZ.

  • on August 3, 2013, 1:12 GMT

    Lyon is bowling stunningly, beating the bat, finding the edge, find sharp fizzing spin and bounce - which begs the question why is Monty not in this squad? Surely he needed to be selected ahead of Bairstow - Monty is by and far the best bowler at OT. Slow left arm orthodox seems to be (Australia's apparent only weapon) Clarke's weakness.

    If Pieterson gets his chance (that is if Cook, Trott, Bell et al don't all score massive tons) against Lyon, he should look at MS Dhoni's innings in Chennai last year as a template..

    Huge first hour coming up today.

  • RJHB on August 2, 2013, 23:41 GMT

    Nice glass is half full article! There's benn a lot of bluster about how poor Australia is, and in the second test rightly so, but this "safety first" England team isn't a patch on that magnificent Australian team of 06/07! So dream on about a similar result. And frankly England are pretty fortunate to actually be 2 nil up, so talk of 5 nil and 10 nil whitewashes is pretty offensive, but that's not really surprising coming from Poms! Life's not as easy without all the luck going your way is it England??!

  • jackiethepen on August 2, 2013, 23:27 GMT

    Kevin Pietersen was an even more timid captain than Cook, and that is really saying something. He may be a batsman who doesn't put safety first but as a captain he was truly appalling. All the fielders were sent to the boundary as soon as the opposition started hitting there. It wasn't Kevin's fault. He was chosen for his celebrity - like Flintoff before him - and had no captaincy credentials at all. And like Flintoff and Botham he hasn't got a clue. Cook meanwhile doesn't suggest he has either when the going gets tough or quiet. Sooner or later Nasser will stop making excuses for him. Cook and Trott have been a little out of form so far. Time for them to put together a decent partnership.

  • 2.14istherunrate on August 2, 2013, 22:57 GMT

    Broad has been bowling really well of late so it is ironical that he has had to wait for the milestone for so long though appropriately it was Clarke, a worthy enough scalp for the moment. Swann by contrast has been hauling them in, not by bowling worse unless one thinks of Rogers, but by bowling on sympathetic surfaces. These two plus Anderson are rightly pointed out as a top trio of bowlers for England but thinking of history I think of Trueman,Statham, Laker who by only 3 wickets miss the 200 wicket qualification, but not qualification by quality. However this is the former trio's era and they serve us well on any number of surface types-UAE being one genre, and they could be around for a bit yet. Broad is still very young for one so experienced and just needs to stay fit to have great career.. Re this match England should draw on such a benign surface. After all Australia made 527 and we are better than they by some distance well though Clarke batted.

  • gtr800 on August 2, 2013, 21:13 GMT

    Swann is highly optimistic if he thinks England can this. On the contrary if Clarke's inspired captaincy fires tomorrow then England might be asked to follow on, on an increasingly turning pitch (because of Starcs footholes). I believe England will be all out tomorrow & asked to follow on because Australia are not as defensive as England. However it depends a lot then on how the weather behaves after that as to whether England will manage a draw or Australia will win.

  • on August 2, 2013, 21:00 GMT

    Cook, Trott, Peitersen, Bell, Prior = 300 more runs. Are we really worried?

  • ScottStevo on August 2, 2013, 20:32 GMT

    "A par total of 450" - Maybe...How does the old saying go, you can only tell how good a wicket is after 2 innings???????? I think sending out Bresnan was a terribly negative move with that many overs to go. I applaud Swanns optimism, but Eng will do v well to win from here. Again, tomorrow morning is a huge session. Not only for this test, but for the whole series. I'm not suggesting that Aus can win the series from here, but if Aus can win here, at 2-1 with 2 to play, the chances look a whole host better than they do at 2-0 down. Also, I think players know when they've hit the ball; and I think Bresnan doubted it. But, due to the very clear noise of the ball taking his inner thigh guard, Cook was a little unconvinced he didn't hit it - and you'd rather review a decision on Pietersen, Cook, Bell, etc, than waste one on Bresnan...As has been told to Aus for 2 test matches, it's no fault of anyone else if DRS is used inappropriately....

  • Lmaotsetung on August 2, 2013, 20:14 GMT

    C'mon George have a little faith....can you say ADELAIDE 2006? :-)

  • thejesusofcool on August 2, 2013, 19:56 GMT

    All very well, but Lyon is already spinning it like a top & could have had Cook 3 times already.

    Can we risk trying to knock him off his length, because if we try & prop & cop him away, we will be in big strife & keep the initiative completely with Australia?

  • thejesusofcool on August 2, 2013, 19:56 GMT

    All very well, but Lyon is already spinning it like a top & could have had Cook 3 times already.

    Can we risk trying to knock him off his length, because if we try & prop & cop him away, we will be in big strife & keep the initiative completely with Australia?

  • Lmaotsetung on August 2, 2013, 20:14 GMT

    C'mon George have a little faith....can you say ADELAIDE 2006? :-)

  • ScottStevo on August 2, 2013, 20:32 GMT

    "A par total of 450" - Maybe...How does the old saying go, you can only tell how good a wicket is after 2 innings???????? I think sending out Bresnan was a terribly negative move with that many overs to go. I applaud Swanns optimism, but Eng will do v well to win from here. Again, tomorrow morning is a huge session. Not only for this test, but for the whole series. I'm not suggesting that Aus can win the series from here, but if Aus can win here, at 2-1 with 2 to play, the chances look a whole host better than they do at 2-0 down. Also, I think players know when they've hit the ball; and I think Bresnan doubted it. But, due to the very clear noise of the ball taking his inner thigh guard, Cook was a little unconvinced he didn't hit it - and you'd rather review a decision on Pietersen, Cook, Bell, etc, than waste one on Bresnan...As has been told to Aus for 2 test matches, it's no fault of anyone else if DRS is used inappropriately....

  • on August 2, 2013, 21:00 GMT

    Cook, Trott, Peitersen, Bell, Prior = 300 more runs. Are we really worried?

  • gtr800 on August 2, 2013, 21:13 GMT

    Swann is highly optimistic if he thinks England can this. On the contrary if Clarke's inspired captaincy fires tomorrow then England might be asked to follow on, on an increasingly turning pitch (because of Starcs footholes). I believe England will be all out tomorrow & asked to follow on because Australia are not as defensive as England. However it depends a lot then on how the weather behaves after that as to whether England will manage a draw or Australia will win.

  • 2.14istherunrate on August 2, 2013, 22:57 GMT

    Broad has been bowling really well of late so it is ironical that he has had to wait for the milestone for so long though appropriately it was Clarke, a worthy enough scalp for the moment. Swann by contrast has been hauling them in, not by bowling worse unless one thinks of Rogers, but by bowling on sympathetic surfaces. These two plus Anderson are rightly pointed out as a top trio of bowlers for England but thinking of history I think of Trueman,Statham, Laker who by only 3 wickets miss the 200 wicket qualification, but not qualification by quality. However this is the former trio's era and they serve us well on any number of surface types-UAE being one genre, and they could be around for a bit yet. Broad is still very young for one so experienced and just needs to stay fit to have great career.. Re this match England should draw on such a benign surface. After all Australia made 527 and we are better than they by some distance well though Clarke batted.

  • jackiethepen on August 2, 2013, 23:27 GMT

    Kevin Pietersen was an even more timid captain than Cook, and that is really saying something. He may be a batsman who doesn't put safety first but as a captain he was truly appalling. All the fielders were sent to the boundary as soon as the opposition started hitting there. It wasn't Kevin's fault. He was chosen for his celebrity - like Flintoff before him - and had no captaincy credentials at all. And like Flintoff and Botham he hasn't got a clue. Cook meanwhile doesn't suggest he has either when the going gets tough or quiet. Sooner or later Nasser will stop making excuses for him. Cook and Trott have been a little out of form so far. Time for them to put together a decent partnership.

  • RJHB on August 2, 2013, 23:41 GMT

    Nice glass is half full article! There's benn a lot of bluster about how poor Australia is, and in the second test rightly so, but this "safety first" England team isn't a patch on that magnificent Australian team of 06/07! So dream on about a similar result. And frankly England are pretty fortunate to actually be 2 nil up, so talk of 5 nil and 10 nil whitewashes is pretty offensive, but that's not really surprising coming from Poms! Life's not as easy without all the luck going your way is it England??!

  • on August 3, 2013, 1:12 GMT

    Lyon is bowling stunningly, beating the bat, finding the edge, find sharp fizzing spin and bounce - which begs the question why is Monty not in this squad? Surely he needed to be selected ahead of Bairstow - Monty is by and far the best bowler at OT. Slow left arm orthodox seems to be (Australia's apparent only weapon) Clarke's weakness.

    If Pieterson gets his chance (that is if Cook, Trott, Bell et al don't all score massive tons) against Lyon, he should look at MS Dhoni's innings in Chennai last year as a template..

    Huge first hour coming up today.

  • on August 3, 2013, 1:39 GMT

    Swann has a good attitude, he is always positive talking even when England loses. They are just there to enjoy the game. Look Australia score more than 500 in Brisbane 2010/2011 and England came back to draw that game and then win the series. Here Australia scored 500 but still have to bowl this England team twice to win. That's 18 wickets left. It is either that or the rain. A draw here means England retain the Ashes, then we'll do it all again in OZ.